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https://www.techpowerup.com/254634/msi-betrays-amds-socket-am4-longevity-promise-no-zen2-for-300-series
>MSI is reportedly blocking support for 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors on its AMD 300-series chipset motherboards, including those based on high-end AMD X370 and OC-capable B350 chipsets
GLAD TO SEE A REAL COMPANY PUT THESE STREET SHITTERS IN THEIR PLACE

>> No.70570212

Is MSI....GOOD GOYS?

>> No.70570218

>>70570212
they're chinese so they're rice jews. not trustworthy

>> No.70570227

this is the most low IQ board on the entire site

>> No.70570237

>other vendors already posted BIOS updates for 3000 series

>MSI incapable

Guess we know who has shit engineers now.

>> No.70570241

Even if you dislike AMD, why would you celebrate anti-consumer BS from MSI?

>> No.70570244

what the fuck even is this thread?

>> No.70570251

>>70570241
Intel fanboys are mostly prepubescent retards, what do you expect?

>> No.70570267

>>70570023
>msi
Enjoy your shit VRM faggot

>> No.70570276

Great.
I bought giga butt

>> No.70570288

>>70570244
donno, a retard (op) seeking for attention?

>> No.70570294

>>70570267
Mortar and Tomahawk have the best VRM from all b450 boards but their 350 series was shit. No wonder they disabled the support for Zen2 in it.

>> No.70570309

>>70570023

Thanks for the PSA: Don't buy MSI.

Every other vendor can do it but they just can't be fucked/are incapable.

>> No.70570470

>>70570237
My MSI board had that same update
must not have been for the 3000 series

>> No.70570476

>>70570218
Aren't all mobo companies taiwanese? What are non-taiwan mobos?

>> No.70570485

>>70570476
colorful

>> No.70570530
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>>70570023
amd's had it too good for too long. intel's time to shine.

>> No.70570532

Why can't AMD keep a single promise?

>> No.70570537
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>>70570023
AMDindus BTFO

>> No.70570569
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AMTODDLERS BTFO

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>>70570227
/pol/ exists

>> No.70570768

>>70570575
/pol/ is overrun with schizos from /x/

>> No.70570810

>>70570532
The VRM-lets shilling housefire B350 boards as suitable for a 4GHz 8 core are to blame. Mostly.

>> No.70570903

>>70570575
>Cringey alt right incel standing next to his queen of whores.

>> No.70570930
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70570930

Guess who's not buying MSI... Ever again.

>> No.70570935

>>70570532
AMD is supporting it and other mobo manufactures have already released microcode to support the engineering samples. AMD kept there promise. MSI didn't.

>> No.70570940
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>>70570930
<----this guy

>> No.70570970

>>70570903
Found the incel.

>> No.70570981

>>70570935
If you bought an msi board in ryzen 1st gen, it wont support ryzen 3rd gen, which means that amd lied

>> No.70571020

>>70570267
Haha seething
Msi has the best vrm up to 180€

>> No.70571066
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>>70570981
AMD doesn't own MSI.

>> No.70571103

>>70570023
just kill yourself, fucking retard
anything anti consumer is bad

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>>70570227
thank you

>> No.70571371

>buying overpriced, overheating, spyware, botnet, buggy as shit, "we'll pay companies to use us because people might actually realize we suck if we don't" intel

>> No.70571409

>>70570023
never bet on a new gen amd cpu being compatible with a last gen motherboard. lots of people have fallen prey to that and were greeted by black screens via amd's many random incompatibilities. i mean their 5000 series gpus weren't even compatbile with pcie 1.1 which was still very common in 2010. "hurr, hey guys, we're amd the budget company, but our products won't work with budget solutions like backwards pcie compatibility and drivers that suck the life out of your budget cpu lol!" the company has always been a clusterfuck of missteps.

>> No.70571426

>>70571066
Did AMD not promise complete compatibility until 2020 knowing this exact thing?

>> No.70571452

this is what you get for buying cheap indian shit

>> No.70571555

>>70570023
>AMD BTFO BY MSI
the same company that said they wont allow overclock on the apu's and a week later of their statement they released a bios update allowing people to overclock them

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I'm guessing there's some issue on MSI's part since this move would hurt their sales quite a bit?
Unless their sales for AMD mobos were abysmal

>> No.70571581

>>70571576
pretty sure msi isnt even considered mid tier for amd
not when gigabyte and asrock exists anyway

>> No.70571588

>MSI makes statement about B350 boards
>MSI also have B450 boards that are unsold
gee... I wonder why?

>> No.70571595

>>70570241
People with Genuine Intel Buyer's Remorse™ are happy to see that other CPUs also need new motherboards, just like they do (every year). Smart people don't see this news article as good news.

>> No.70571607

>>70571595
its just msi if this was gigabyte asus asrock maybe this wouldnt have been a good news

>> No.70571609

>>70571595
not their fault MSI wanted to be idiots, while ASROCK, Gigabyte and ASUS already updated their AGESA code to support the new processors.

>> No.70571735

>>70571581
Top kek
Gigabyte and assrock are total shit boards
4phase vrm for 130€,yeah go fuck yourself faggots

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>I bought an MSI board years ago under the impression the socket would be supported
>Ryzen 3000 is going to be blocked
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

>> No.70571794

>>70571426
AMD made the specification, so they didn't lie. It's up to the mobo manufacturers to implement it

>> No.70571798

>>70571772
>MSI
What a mistake. What was you thinking about? Did you even see their cringy ads? Should've buy ASSrock

>> No.70571808

>>70571798
I wasn't working full-time when it launched and I was already paying a shitload for a DDR4 kit.
It had decent user reviews at the time so I was content.

>> No.70571831

>>70571735
taichi is shit?
since when? everyone considers them top tier

>> No.70571833

>>70571772
Sell it nao when the news aren't widespread.

>> No.70571870

>>70570970
Have sex.

>> No.70571895

>>70570023
BASED MSI BLOWING AMDRONES THE FUCK OUT

>> No.70571934

>>70571794
So essentially they lied
Thank you for the clarification

>> No.70571978

>MSI (MicroSoft Intel) shits all over AMD, the guys with the Linux drivers

>> No.70571986

>>70570023
based msi ditching the curryniggers

>> No.70572108

>>70570575
nice hoverhand, fucking r/theCringe faggot overlord

>> No.70572116
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>ITT: falling for a MSI mobo
lelel

>> No.70572122

>>70570023
450 boards are safe though right...right?!

>> No.70572127

>>70571609
What's the best mobo brand? I have Asus and might get it next time too.

>> No.70572131

>>70572122
ofc. that's what's happening here. MSI knows their B350 boards have shit VRM designs, this is why they're artificially gimping them so that the user buys their B450's.

>> No.70572134

>>70572127
Gigabyte for AMD; EVGA for Intel.

>> No.70572139

>>70570023
I am not sure the MSI realizes how this world works. Nobody is magically going to be buying their "spesial" new motherboard because they block support.
People will find someone else who can.
You are not apple who can cut port and sell dongles, people who are capable to install motherboards, know how to pick other one.

>> No.70572171

>>70570930
I never bought anything from msi ever, but guess what

>> No.70572192

>>70572131
Good to hear. Thanks.

>> No.70572196

>literally the only product I have ever bought from MSI was a B350 board
hmmm I wonder if I should buy more MSI quality products....

>> No.70572206

Never bought an MSI product in my life, their marketing is too cringe

>> No.70572216

>>70570023
Who gives a shit? Based GIGABYTE® provides all the support I need.

>> No.70572273

>>70570810
>MSI cheaps out on VRM for AMD motherboards again
Like fucking clockwork, why do people recommend these fucking chinks again? MSI is literal garbage tier hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgqlhbrfJF4

>> No.70572275

>>70572206
DUDE DRAGONS LMAO

>> No.70572282

I own an 890FXa-GD70, are you telling me I can't run Ryzen 3000 on this?

>> No.70572301

>>70572282
This is for msi's am4 motherboards (the 300 series)
Zen 2 (3000 series ryzen) should would just fine on your one

>> No.70572723

>msi says something
>LOL AMD BTFO
>literally nobody else will do such a stupid move
>IRRELEVANT

>> No.70572750

>>70570575
/pol/ is on another website

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msi, everybody

>> No.70572794

>clueless outsourced tech support makes obviously wrong statement
>this happens
I'd expect /g/ not to fall for this shit but really who was I kidding.

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>mfw shitel seething zen 2 will still sell infinitely more cpus

>> No.70572798

>>70570023
My msi x470 m7 ac, already received the new support update

>> No.70572804

>>70570227
And that's a good thing

>> No.70572815

>>70570476
Needful

>> No.70572816

>>70571831
Yeah the first viable board from assrock is a 200€+ one, they are totally not shit
Everything up to the msi gaming m7 is not viable from other manufacturers

>> No.70572819

>>70570309
It means MSI are:

1. Incompetent
2. Lazy
3. Malicious

In what way is this move good for them? They literally just ensured I never buy a motherboard from them in the future.

I was picking zen motherboards last year and choosing between ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and Asrock, depending on features. Now I know - strike MSI off that list. Fuck, it's like these retards want to go Biostar tier.

>> No.70572841

>>70572819
4. Pay a small german computer shop to provide local tech support who made this dumb statement

>> No.70572880

>>70570768
not schizos from /x/ or else they'd be posting in /x/

it's mostly useful idiot gullible boomers and marketer/pursuasion firms trying to destroy cohesion and communication

>> No.70572901

>>70572127
ASUS, Gigabyte, and Asrock seem to be the only reasonable options

>> No.70572907

>>70571426
My shitty b450 TUF board got the update, this is on MSI.

>> No.70572910

>>70572841
Too late, damage is done. Get better marketers, MSI.

I'm not touching your garbage.

>> No.70572926

>>70570023
Hahahahaha......will buy based MSI stuff next time just to piss off AMDtards.

>> No.70572941

>>70571808
Not an argument. ASSrock gives you the same (if not more) for less money.

>> No.70572948

>>70572926
You only piss in your pants when buying MSI.

>> No.70572955

A NEW MOTHERBOARD A YEAR KEEPS THE AYYMD GOYIM IN FEAR

>> No.70572962

Glad I went assrock master race
Hopefully amd 3000 series make a bomb ass 2700x equalivilent with 5ghz clocks

>> No.70572999

God, ASSrock shilling is strong in this ITT thread.

>> No.70573097

>>70572206
really? msi is where you draw the line?

>> No.70573106

In light of this thread Virtualization needs AMD or Intel with Spectre and shit that keeps popping about?? How would Epyc compare vs Intel Xeons?

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>>70570023

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>>70573172

>> No.70573203

>>70570241
>anti-consumer
kill yourself redditor

>> No.70573210

>>70573203
Found the consumer.

>> No.70573232

>>70572797
But 9th gen already outsold Zen 2 tho?

>> No.70573261

>>70573179
LMAO
MSI cucks BTFO

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>>70571735
>>70572816
You're either a fucking retard or a gook shill on MSI's payroll. MSI's B350 and X370 boards had absolute dog shit VRMs. The literal worst on the market. The flagship X370 Xpower Titanium was an absolute embarrassment, with a worse VRM setup than $150 Asus and ASRock boards. That's probably why they're scared of updating them to support Zen 2, as they'll start going bang.

MSI has always been the worst of the chinkshit gaymer-grade companies, with garish design, cut corners on component choice and cringworthy advertising. Their products are for literal retards.

>> No.70573374

>>70572767
wow, can't even apply fucking thermal paste right

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Almost got a B350 bros

>> No.70573438

>>70572816
>MSI IS GOO....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6LP9glKmc

oh wait no its a pile of doublers piece of shits

>> No.70573492

>>70573232
It can't even outsold zen+ in custom-built pcs.

>> No.70573526

So what motherboard should you buy for Zen 2 then

>> No.70573540

>>70573526
Dont buy zen 2 because of shitty business practices from AMD
10nm is coming soon

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>>70570023

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>>70573540
>10nm is coming soon
Just wait by Intel™

>> No.70573782

>>70571934
>Mobo manufacturer doesn't implement specification
>I-It's AMD's fault!

>> No.70573856

>>70570023
It's always known that Zen 2 will shit on Gen 1 Ryzen mobos

Motherboard manufacturers like to churn out new boards since they profit more that way but not to the point where their production lines are made obsolete in less than a year like Intel did with the 7th and 8th gen processors

>> No.70573871

>>70573782
>AMD promises that motherboards will support their cpu's for 3 years
>Motherboards dont do this
>Somehow AMD gets away with lying

>> No.70573926

>AMDrones swear by the Tomahawk and Mortar
>shill them so hard that everyone bought them
>now MSI blocks support of Gen 1 mobos because it can't run the newer Ryzens without being a fire/safety issue
>retards think the other board manufacturers won't follow suit

Same thing will happen with Ryzen 4, all the X/B400 boards are going to be obsolete and you need a 500-class board to run it.

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>>70573871

>> No.70574011

>>70573946
How is it bait?
If it was completely out of their hands why did they make the promise in the first place?
If you make a statement, you have to own up when shit goes wrong

>> No.70574025

>BOOHOO MOTHERBOARD MANUFACTURERS SHOULD SELL MOTHERBOARDS THAT WOULD FRY MY NEW CPU

Watch Gigabyte, Asus, Asrock, EVGA to follow suit.

>> No.70574040

>>70573179
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.70574207

>>70574011
Not him, but you are an imbecile. You are not lying if you make a promise with knowledge and agreement from different parties that they are willing to do something to make another thing possible. There is nothing dishonest about making that claim if one of those parties chooses to back out later on down the line. If they had made the promise with the knowledge that those vendors would stop supporting those processors, then you would be being dishonest.

>> No.70574252

>>70573856
>It's always known that Zen 2 will shit on Gen 1 Ryzen mobos
No that wasn't "always known" you lying retard.

>> No.70574284

>>70574207
Morally speaking, they werent being dishonest but they should have considered the possibility of one of the vendors dropping out midway. Either they knew this and still made the promise anyway which would mean they are gambling with their honesty (which is dishonest) or its gross negligence of the possibility which means they are essentially retarded

>> No.70574352

>>70574284
It's not gambling with their honesty if those vendors told them they would support their later processors.

To put it into perspective, let's say I have several friends coming over for a party, another friend asks if they're going to be there. For whatever reason, one of those friends isn't able to show up anymore due to an emergency. Did I then lie to the person who asked me about who was going to be there? No, of course not. There was always the possibility that one of those friends could not show up, but sometimes shit happens, if anything the blame is to be laid on the friend who could not show up to the party because they're the ones that initially said they would. Likewise with AMD, the blame here is rested on the vendors for lying to AMD and saying they would support their processors when they knowingly couldn't support the architecture.

>> No.70574353

>>70573285
Are you retarded? Everybody in the thread talks about the x470 chipset of msis competition and tells it like they are better which is not true at all atleast not up to 180€
As for the 300 chipset, that's what you get for being a dumb cuck and not buying the best vrm that you can afford

>> No.70574357

>>70574284
Holy fucking autism

>> No.70574398

>>70571798
>don't buy chinkshit, buy bargain bin trash instead!
asrock is the lowest common denominator of motherboard vendors, except maybe biostar.

>> No.70574400

>>70574352
That analogy is completely retarded
The motherboard vendors did not promise AMD that they would support zen cpus until 2020. In your analogy that would mean they are only invited (or pressured to by amd) to the party, then AMD proceeds to promise everyone that the motherboard vendor will definitely be there.
Is this not gambling with honesty?

>> No.70574435

>>70574357
Yep.

>> No.70574436

>>70574400
Same anon
If AMD wasnt completely shit, they would have said something along the lines of "we will make a strong attempt to get motherboards to support our cpu's for 3 years" which would have been fine.

>> No.70574492

>>70574400
AMD didn't pressure anyone in to anything, they made a claim with the knowledge and reasonable expectations that vendors they licensed technology to would be able support their processors until a specified date. That doesn't put pressure on the vendors to support it, it's always their choice to to no longer support their technology. And it's not like specifically stated "absolutely and without doubt, 100% guarantee you will be able to upgrade if you bought a MOBO from vendors we work with". You are unjustly trying to demonize the company and are jumping through hoops playing mental gymnastics to do it.

>> No.70574501

>MSI says they're going to stop supporting motherboards they have no good reason to stop supporting
>somehow this is AMD's fault
so this is the power of /g/

>> No.70574520

>>70574436
Intel makes claims and goes back on them or isn't able to deliver on them all of the time. No company markets with the kind neutral words you use.

>> No.70574560

>>70574501
>AMD overpromisses bullshit
>It turns out it was overpromissed bullshit
>AMD is somehow not at fault for once again overpromissing and underdelivering
Really makes you shit in the shower.

>> No.70574586

>>70574492
All im saying is that if AMD cant control other companies actions, they should not make promises for them.

>> No.70574592

>>70574560
AMD didn't over promise anything. You have zero intellectual integrity as a person.

>> No.70574595

>>70574560
>one vendor makes independent decision regarding support
>ITS ALL AMDS FAULT GUISE!!
You are legitimately retarded. Please dont breed.

>> No.70574614

>>70574560
>one (1) bargain bin board partner decides to not support Zen 2 on 300-series boards
>hurr AMD lied
AMD said X370 and B350 would support ryzen 3000 series chips, which is true by all accounts.

>> No.70574619

>>70574592
>>70574595
>>70574614
>The one Socket AM4 motherboard you buy will work with any AM4 processor (some 300-series boards may require a BIOS flash)
Taken directly from their own website and if I could be bothered I could look for every other time they said exactly that. But I'm sure I'm just an intel shill and it's totally fine when AMD does it cause Intel did it too.

>> No.70574631

>>70574619
Or this one again from their website
>EVERY AM4 PROCESSOR IS COMPATIBLE WITH EVERY AM4 CHIPSET. Note that 300-series motherboards may require a BIOS flash to be compatible with Ryzen™ Desktop 2000-series processors.

>> No.70574633

>>70574595
What he is saying is that, while AMD did not make MSI drop out, they did make promises that motherboards will support cpu's until 2020. Which as we all know now is complete horseshit.

>> No.70574635

>>70574586
They never guaranteed that every single vendor they work with would continue supporting their products, they only claimed that if you bought a MOBO from the vendors that did support those products at the time you would be blessed to do so, which is by any technical account the truth.

>> No.70574638

>>70574207
Quit replying to the shill, you dumbfucks.

>> No.70574641

>>70574635
Stop lying you dirty fucking nigger
>>70574619
>>70574631

>> No.70574650

>>70574619
Are you fucking retarded? Any socket will not work without the sufficient microcode update. Hell, some LGA-775 boards needed them to be able to run Pentium D's or Core 2's. You're now outed not only as a intel shill, but under aged too.

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At least the RAM isn't soldered... yet.

>> No.70574663

>>70574650
>imagine being this much of a shill, being this retarded, and lying to yourself till the world fits your view
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/zen-core

>> No.70574667

>>70574635
They did, picture related (eat shit part is for person below)
https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4
>>70574641
Go euthanasia yourself

>> No.70574677

>>70574631
And the boards that do require the flash can't have that happen if the vendor who provides them doesn't allow for it. Those boards DO support ALL AM4 processors. There is no lie there way to shoot yourself in the pot retard.

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>>70574667
Forgot to provide pic

>> No.70574685

>sperg out that only AMD does this.
>LGA775 boards needed microcode updates via bios flashing for them to be able to run Pentium D's or Core 2's

>> No.70574695

>>70574677
>the boards don't support it due to lack of updates therefore those boards DO support ALL AM4 processors
The absolute fucking state of shills. Holy fucking shit.

>> No.70574697

>>70574667
Absolute retard, those boards do support AM4 processors at a hardware level, there is no dishonesty in AMDs statement.

>> No.70574700

>>70573492
It did though.

>> No.70574702

>>70574667
>See your motherboard manufacturer’s website for more information
So it is down to the motherboard manufactures as has been stated multiple times. The chip is compatible with the boards but they are just refusing to update the bios to support it.

>> No.70574707

>>70574663
This is the same thing as what happened with AM3, AM2, AM3+, etc.

You're truly underaged, and retarded to accept that this has been practiced by both Intel and AMD. You need the microcode update first to run processors that were created after the said chipset. Only a retard would decry this.

>> No.70574717

>>70574702
Intlel shills btfo

>> No.70574721

>>70574707
You keep enjoying living in your own little world then kiddo.

>> No.70574739

>>70574633
>one fucking vendor dropped out
>one
>complete horseshit
Mountain meet mole hill

>> No.70574749

>>70574721
You're the only one living in their own little world with your utterly retarded mental gymnastics. Drink some bleach shill.

>> No.70574764

every time amd is about to release info on the new ryzen shills comes out to falseflag

call me suprised

>> No.70574769

What is it this time, /g/?
>chink merchants being chink merchants
>intlel calling msi and telling them to shut it down
>fake news, just retardation of the support team
>low end boards with shit vrm would die with +8c cpus

>> No.70574770

>>70570023
So do they have a reason other than "we're too shit" and "intel paid us"?

>> No.70574771

>>70574697
>EVERY AM4 PROCESSOR IS COMPATIBLE WITH EVERY AM4 CHIPSET
Can you say this is true for the upcoming zen 2 cpu's, based retard?
>>70574702
>"Here is what we guarantee, every am4 chipset will support every am4 cpu, your motherboard manufacturer will explain it in greater detail"
How does this mean that motherboard manufacturers can do whatever they want?
>>70574739
>AMD promises that all vendors of am4 chipsets will support all am4 cpus
>Doesn't
>"I-its okay because its only one!!!"

>> No.70574778

>>70574749
>anyone that doesn't suck Lisas dick is a intel shill
>if I just call them underage no one will notice I am clinically brain dead
>the boards do support all AM4 processors they just don't work
>says other are going through some mental gymnastics
You enjoy keeping shilling for a company that doesn't give a shit about you.

>> No.70574786

>>70574739
>Brand notorious for not having good VRM designs for their B350 boards.
>sperg out why they're forcing people to upgrade to their B450 boards.

This is literally the guy who builds a value computer with a K processor with a B360. Retard alert.

>> No.70574789

>>70574633
I wouldn't say it's complete horseshit. At this point, it seems like every other brand will be supporting Zen 2 on 300-series boards. From an engineering standpoint, they are 100% in the clear- zen 2 can run on old boards. Sure, shame on AMD for not reinforcing that in business agreements, but no company should have to sign a contract with their partners saying "support your products as well as possible." That should just be a given.

>> No.70574795

>>70570023
Seriously? Fuck MSI, even if Intel somehow gets their head out of their ass and I do buy one of their processors I'm never buying another product from them again. Dropping support like this for no valid reason other than to try and support an Intel monopoly is fucking bullshit.

>> No.70574800

>>70574771
>How does this mean that motherboard manufacturers can do whatever they want?
They wouldn't need to direct you to the motherboard manufacturers if it was all on them. They would just have the first part of the statement otherwise.

>> No.70574803

>>70574771
Either kys or learn to read, the CHIPSET is compatible just as promised, if the MOBO isn't because of MSI's retardation, that's their own problem.

>> No.70574807

>>70574398
>t. tech Illiterate retard

>> No.70574809

Ahahaha the Intel shills are growing desperate by the day.

>> No.70574810

>>70574778
And you think Intel gives a shit about you?

>> No.70574817

Anyways, considering that the new chipset is made by AMD, couldn't they refuse to sell to MSI if this limitation is purely artificial and not because of shit VRMs?

>> No.70574832

>>70574771
>>70574778
SEETHING

>> No.70574836

>>70574810
Even your attempts at making others out to be intel shills are as retarded as you.
Even if I was an intel shill where did I say or imply that other than in your twisted own little world where everyone that disagrees with you MUST be an intel shill.

>> No.70574871

>>70574800
They redirect you to the motherboards website so you can get the bios and firmware updates, i dont see how this is so hard to comprehend
>>70574803
The chipset is ON the motherboard which means its ON MSI's board. AMD said that if it has the chipset, it supports all AM4 cpu's. How is this shit so hard to comprehend?
4channel baffles me sometimes

>> No.70574927

>>70574871
>They redirect you to the motherboards website so you can get the bios and firmware updates
So you agree AMD isn't supplying the bios updates themselves and it it is down to the motherboard manufacturer to do so?

>> No.70574940

>>70574871
which all other brands support. Again, the main point here is that MSI won't update their AGESA for B350 boards to support Zen2 processors. Which again says that the chipset is compatible. It's MSI who refuses to update AGESA.

>> No.70575016

>>70574927
AMD guarantees that all motherboards of the am4 chipset will support all am4 cpus, they then tell you to go to your motherboards manufacturer to get said support. Yes, it is up to the motherboard vendor to supply those updates but that essentially means that AMD made a promise they couldnt keep.
>>70574940
You would be right if they were obviously not referring to the motherboards when they said chipset. They say "EVERY AM4 CHIPSET" when there is clearly only one AM4 chipset, so just using basic thinking, its obvious they are referring to the motherboards when they say "every".

>> No.70575062
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>> No.70575121

Looks like mobo manufacturers got it a bit too easy ever since the Intel hegemony that followed the Bulldozer fiasco and think they're entitled to a new socket every two years.
That's a shame because MSI became decent with Zen+ when they stopped using NikoSemi fets and got pretty good heatsinks unlike everyone else.

>> No.70575187

What are the chances of unofficial custom BIOS versions coming out? Would it be possible for someone to inject the updated AGESA version in a current BIOS to whitelist the new ZEN2 chips?

>> No.70575243

>>70575062
/thread

>> No.70575344

why the fuck we have 183 replies on a thread talking about msi shit when literally nobody else will do that?

>> No.70575397
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70575397

>>70574809
ZEN 2 IS A LIE PLEASE BUY INTEL BUY BUY BUY

>> No.70575414

>>70575344
Because after all the Spectre and meltdown mitigations, their failure to innovate. The abysmal sales and the downgrade in stock value and the all-around shitshow that has become Intel, Fanboys will jump at anything that remotely tries to make AMD look bad

>> No.70575420

>>70575344
Because shitel shills gotta shill for their pozzed company and their pozzed housefires.

>> No.70575437

In a perfect world, corrupt jewish piece of shit companies would not exist.

>> No.70575454
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70575454

>>70574764
Pure coincidence...............

>> No.70575478

we are talking about msi here
when msi ceo said back in jan

>"We have a big portion of the AMD motherboard, which makes Intel kind of upset," Chiang explained. "But I say 'hey guys, once you solve the supply issue, let's figure out how we can get back your share.'


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-ceo-interview-intel-shortage-amd,38473.html

>> No.70575498

>>70570023
Who cares? B350s are literally 40$ motherboards.

Get a new motherboard you faggots.

>> No.70575520

>>70575478
>just like what they did to Dell after they realized that their shit P4 couldn't hold a candle to the Athlon XP.

>> No.70575549
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70575549

sirs please don't buy ryzen...........ok?

>> No.70575599
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70575599

>>70575549
Here

>> No.70575614

>>70575414
>intel
>innovating
>ever
rip

>> No.70575738

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-B350M-A/HelpDesk_BIOS/

The ASUS B350M was the cheapest B350 motherboard at the time of it's release and it has the AGESA 0072 code for Ryzen 3000. So.. kind of odd that MSI would not support these CPUs on their 3xx series - if it's true that they won't, and I don't know if it really is.

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70575756

>>70570023
>Chinese vendor angry at AMD because Intel told them to be
Goodbye MSI

>> No.70575878

>>70570023
Can someone explain why MSI had done this?
Wouldnt it only hurt their reputation?

>> No.70575906

>>70575878
see >>70575478

>> No.70575925

>>70575906
Intel is now up to their old tricks. This reminds me of them buying out reviewers to mislead the public that the Pentium 4 was faster than the Athlon, or even their own Pentium III.

>> No.70575932

>>70575906
Fucking jews and cuck chinese manufacturers

>> No.70575950

>>70575925
Intel just went full retard, these cheap jewish tricks will backfire horribly in this day and age, see CTS labs and principled technologies kikery

>> No.70576004

>MSI Zen2 Support Update

>Sadly the informaton regarding the support of upcoming AMD CPUs on the X370 Titanium was wrong.
We want to shed light on this situation.

>Currently we are testing our current mainboard portfolio with MSI 300 and 400 chipsets for compability with upcoming AMD Ryzen processors. Of course we want to provide support for upcoming AMD Ryzen processors on as many mainboards as possible.

>Before AMD launches the next generation of CPUs MSI will provide a comprehensive list of compatible MSI AM4 mainboards. We are sorry for the misunderstanding

tldr: whoops sorry we were wrong

>> No.70576033

>>70576004
Can you please source this?

>> No.70576041

>>70576033
Same source as the original "news", some kraut emailing support and posting on reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bdv775/msi_zen2_support_update/

>> No.70576060

>>70570023
I would rather set my computer on fire than put an MSI motherboard in it

>> No.70576073

>>70576041
Thanks
This entire thread was a huge waste of everyones life

>> No.70576090

>>70576073
just because some intel fanboy who probably has buyer's remorse for his Skylake CPU wanted to sperg.

>> No.70576110

>>70570023
They can undo this decision with a single bios update which will come as soon as youtube reviewers point out this obvious money grab.

>> No.70576261

>>70572108
I would have cupped her ass cheek.

>> No.70576407

>>70576090
Intel fanboys are seriously hit in the head.

>> No.70577120

>>70576004
>we totally dont want to get a bad name out there

>> No.70577160

>>70571870
Seething

>> No.70577169

I don't mind eating the "weak VRM" excuse? for R7s
just give me the 3600 on my msi B350 to replace my 1600.

>> No.70577225

>>70570023
Why do incels make up stupid shit like this? It won't even help selling their jewish cpus in any way.

>> No.70577233

>>70571870
mad

>> No.70577251

>>70577169
that's the thing. the 3600 might be an 8-core part and the R7's now are 12-cores at least. they might not go all the way with 16 cores

>> No.70577272
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>AMD BTFO BY BASED MOTHERBOARD VENDOR

>> No.70577282

>>70577251
I'm willing to accept that. I'd probably want a new board regardless if I planned to get a Zen 2 R7.

If my board support falls flat I'm limited to meager upgrades from Zen+

>> No.70577288

>>70577272
yeah, nvidia and intel shill like it up their arse. No lube needed.
that's beyond masochism, that's a mental disorder.

>> No.70577350

>>70577169
It was always like this. With AM3 too. 760g mobos supported up to 95W TDP, then AMD released 125W CPUs and they weren't supported on 760g mobos because of weak VRM. Same thing will be with zen2. If rumours about 125W and 135W housefires are true, only CPUs with up to 105W TDP will be supported on older mobos with weak VRM (though I don't know how they got away with 105W on b350, maybe AMD specified 105W initially for 1st gen ZEN).

>> No.70577406

>>70574025
EVGA doesn't make AMD boards as far as I know. EVGA are Nvidiadrone and Inteldrone.

>> No.70577420

>>70575614
"what is Sandy Bridge"

>> No.70577425

>>70577350
They probably will announce AM4+ for things like DDR5 compatibility.
>reminder that Zen2 has settings to change IF speeds to default.

>> No.70577507

>>70574520
nice whataboutism.

>> No.70577544

>>70571772
>goys buy AMD, they support your motherboards and you can buy CPUS every year!
>turns out they can't even deliver on what they promised

>> No.70577551

>>70577544
except, you know, this is all bullshit FUD

>> No.70577561

https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards

https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards

https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards

>> No.70577566

>>70576060
This.

>> No.70577569

It was just FUD from some ASUS/Gigabyte employee, I guarantee it.

>> No.70577585

>>70577551
which part? they made a promise and they failed to uphold the promise.

>> No.70577599

>>70577585
>>70577561

>> No.70577618

>>70577544
>the statement has been rescinded.
>retard intelshill still takes it as true.

Most actual intel users are probably gaming right now, which begs the question: are you stuck with a Kaby Lake and made it your life's goal to have everyone else as miserable as you?

>> No.70577628

>>70577561
D-D-D-DELETE THIS MSI BTFO BY MSI BROS WHAT THE FUCK

>> No.70577638

>>70570023
Buy a new one you rich mother fuck
Also this is yet another one AMD hates MSI>>70577628
kek

>> No.70577657

>>70577420
Core architecture, which is derived from the P6 microarchitecture

>Created November 1, 1995; 23 years ago
lol

>> No.70577666

>>70577561
>b350 gaming plus
Nice, but why does the article mention "upcoming APUs"?

>> No.70577682

>>70577618
Even bigger possibility: He's stuck with a HEDT-class Haswell, which Zen BTFO'd

>> No.70577693

>>70577561
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DELID DIS

>> No.70577706

>>70577666
ryzen 3000 apus (they use zen+ and vega gfx)

>> No.70577711

>>70577507
You only have one alternative cunt

>> No.70577714

>>70577561
>https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards
damn, if there ever was such an obvious testing the waters campaign, this one by msi beat it by a mile.
they were only testin for the general first reaction guise. I don't know what they were expecting from this, but well, mkting departments are usually filled with egomaniacal brainlets full of themselves.
>t. egomaniacal mkteer brainlet full of himself.

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>>70577561
ecks dee

>> No.70577785

>>70577569
I guarantee it wasn't.

>> No.70577800

>>70571934
>>70573871
>>70574011
>>70574284
>>70574400
Kill yourself
>>70574436
Samefag

Not wasting time reading any more of these.
Saged and reported

>>70574633
Their socket and chipset is compatible. If one manufacturer decides to be a nigger (Conveniently, the same one that shut AMD out of their gaming brands due to GPP), how is that AMD's fault?

>>70574679
This is exactly what I said. Every AM4 processor is compatible with every AM4 chipset. If MSI puts something in to break it, that's on MSI. If MSI doesn't put in an update, that's on MSI. It's possible, it's doable. If you don't put gas in your car from 3 years ago, then put a new engine in, and the engine doesn't work, did they lie about you being able to swap the engine? lol niggers

>> No.70577811

>>70574769
>>intlel calling msi and telling them to shut it down
This
>>70575062
This
>>70575344
ye

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>>70577772
Stop he's already dead

>> No.70577993

I got scared, but I remembered that I have a 400-series chipset, not 300.

>> No.70578249

>>70577993
Me too lol

>> No.70578418

>>70577561
Ahahaha, dumb Chinks got the Kike-lickers hopes up, only to smash them to bits.I love it.

>> No.70578527

i have an asus 350 board if it can't run an 8 core ryzen 3 I guess I wont upgrade

>> No.70579170

MSI has always beena terrible brand, but all of a sudden make it red and slap a dragon on it and you fucking tards wat that shit up. The best no frills board man aufacturer is ASROCK, period. Biostar get second place only Because they stopped sucking as much when the Phenom came out and were the first manufacturer to allow core unlocking.

>> No.70579885

>>70579170
think a friend got his mobo from asrock and it lacked an io shield
customer support didn't help, believe he just taped around it

>> No.70580049

>>70570023
Watch as AMD will rape Intel again in sales.
Go back to shtting in the streets Pajeet and never post on this board ever again.

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>>70573871
>AMD promises that AM4 supports all CPUs until 2020
>MSI decides to stop updating their BIOS
>somehow it's AMDs fault
Single digit IQ

>> No.70580154

>>70571020
>t.msishill

>> No.70580285

>>70570244
Intel's finest viral marketer's work.

>> No.70580453

>>70580285
I'd hate to see their worst

>> No.70580513

>>70574807
Every ASRock board I've worked with has had horrible BIOS and 2 of the 4 died after only a couple years. Would not recommend.
I hate Gigabyte's BIOS as well, but at least Gigabyte boards don't randomly shit the bed, and they're usually similarly priced.

>>70577561
That's good to hear.

>> No.70580539

>>70580513
I don't get the shilling for ASRock on this board. ASRock is the only brand that's worse than MSI and that's a fucking accomplishment worthy of a medal.

>> No.70580694

>>70571870
lose weight

>> No.70580833

so now that MSI has confirmed to be absolute SHIT, tell me some good mobo brands

>> No.70580910

>>70575478
>"Intel tells everybody they have a priority to supply [high-end chips]. [They say] 'let's start at data center first, mobile second, desktop last.' And then they got the higher i9, i7 processor H processor, then it's U and then it's desktop."
>data center first, mobile second, desktop last.

Intel does not even care about the desktop market at this point.

>> No.70580931

It does not matter, all the low-tier boards will not be able to support the 8 and 12-core new Ryzens.

>BRUH LOOK AT MY $50 MOBO WITH A 12-CORE PROCESSOR

>> No.70580975

>>70580931
just do what servers do and lower clock speed

>> No.70581148

>>70580081
>AMD promises that AM4 supports all CPUs until 2020

They promised THEY wouldn't break compatibility

>> No.70581171

>>70570023
Not shocked, to be honest. Their entire B350 / X370 range was fucking garbage, their VRMs especially.

Sucks for those who bought MSI, but they have only themselves to blame.

>> No.70581214

>>70580513
>t-the BIOS are bad!

That's weird. I have an X370 Taichi and an X399 Taichi. Both have worked with my 3200 CL14 memory from day one. Have had no OC issues either.

Maybe you're just fucking stupid?

>> No.70583234

>>70581214
Where do I mention overlocking, retard

>> No.70583332

>>70570237
It's not that their engineers are shit, it's that they want Intel style "every new CPU means buying a new motherboard from us" profits.

They love that socket jew profit.

>> No.70583403

anyone who doesn't think they will flake back on this is stupid.

>nope not going to release bios version buy new am4 boards
>ryzen 3 launches, make good chunk of sales
>go back to old boards now that chunk of sales made, say that you've found a way to upgrade them
>upgrade the bios after sales slow of new revision of boards

>> No.70583428

>>70581171
>they have only themselves
Fuck off, msi boards were praised by reviewers at the release, the actual in-depth tests and reviews appeared much later. My only fault is not waiting for longer and trusting reviewers.
t. B350 Tomahawk owner

>> No.70583925

MSI just confirmed first gen boards will get support. OP btfo.

>> No.70583933

https://www.pcgamer.com/msi-wont-be-blocking-ryzen-3000-support-on-all-older-motherboards-after-all/

>> No.70584179

that just makes me not want to ever buy msi products again

>> No.70584230

GAYMERZ RYZE UP

>> No.70584291

>>70580910
they never did the money from desktop compared to datacenter is miniscule

they are shitting bricks with epyc taking such a huge lead in such a short time

>> No.70584294

>>70583428
NOBODY of value praised them and after buildzoid made his video it was pretty evident

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>>70570023
Good.
My 400 series MSI board already has a BIOS with 3000 series support though, but I won't get one now because:
>>70584436

>> No.70584462

>>70570237
MSI themselves actually did too, but only for 450 and 470.

>> No.70584464

>>70570023
Doesnt zen 2 plus and 1 share the same socket?
Doesnt that mean msi is making motherboard drm?
Why are you supporting this?

>> No.70584469

>>70584464
MSI wants people to buy new boards, just like Intel.
It's either a Intel fanboy or just plain bored shitposter, nobody would support this otherwise.

>> No.70584470

>>70570023
..

>> No.70584479

>>70584294
>after buildzoid made his video
Look at the date of his video and date of the release

>> No.70584497

>>70583428
There's nothing wrong with the B350 Tomahawk. The problem is shills who were saying it's OK to stick an 8 core 4Ghz overclocked CPU in a budget board with budget VRMs.

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>>70570023
I highly doubt they will actually roll with that, the amount of backslash even with normies this news caused in so little time is pretty incredible, I'd say they will backpedal.

>> No.70584521

>>70584497
Msi were extremely slow with their updates. I got my sticks working at the rated speeds like 4 months after asus/asrock.

>> No.70584540

>>70584521
It took Anus 18 months to get the X370-PRO ram support working right. 18 months!!!! and it still isn't perfect.

>> No.70584542

>>70584497
>socket rated for 95W
>don't use a 95W CPU on it!
It doesn't matter if it's an older gen 6 core or newer 8 core, if the wattage is the same, the problem isn't VRMs.
The 350 was a performance consumer board that was okay, even for overclocking, 370 was the high end board and 320 was the budget.
Not that overclocking Ryzen would make sense, you'd have to buy a high end board that can deliver 200W and a cooler capable of dissipating it easily to have any worthwhile gains.

>> No.70584547

>>70572767
glad to say I've never bought an MSI product

>> No.70584549

>>70584521
It all depended on how fast they could adapt new AGESA versions for their boards.

>> No.70584558

>>70570569
No.

>> No.70584564

>>70584542
I'm currently running my B450 board at 160W, been for 8 months and it's running fine

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>>70572767
What the HELL is he doing?

>> No.70584849

>>70580539
Aren't high end ASRock boards quite solid, but majority of bad experiences come from low quality cheap ASRock boards which enforces the 'you get what you pay for' saying quite well?

>> No.70584867

>>70570227
small brain: this is the most high IQ board on the entire site
normal brain: this is the most low IQ board on the entire site
galaxy brain: this is the most high IQ board on the entire site

>> No.70584873

>>70584849
yes, I used to run a 6350 with a 5GHz OC that used up to 200W for years on a pretty budget Assrock board

>> No.70584883

>>70570227
Second lowest.
/x/ is by far the dumbest, then there's /g/ then a huge power gap then /pol/ and /v/ then the rest of the site.

>> No.70584908

>>70575756
Msi boards are shitty anyway, had one bios simply got dead from a day to other.

>> No.70585188

>>70580049
sir please delid and buy intel

>> No.70585198

>>70580285
>>70580453
sir....delid

>> No.70585204

>>70583925
delid dis

>> No.70585214

>>70583933
sir please delid dis link and buy intel

>> No.70585222

>>70584469
>MSI wants people to buy new boards, just like Intel.
delid dis post sir, buy intel sir, please ok?

>> No.70585231

>>70584520
no sir you have buy intel now amd is antisemitism buy intel ok sir?

>> No.70585255

sirs please no buy amd buy intel
buy intel

>> No.70585263

>>70580833
buy intel sir

>> No.70585274

>>70575498
get intel cpu sir

>> No.70585297

>>70572196
you buy intel products yes sir?

>> No.70585310

>>70571772
buy intel.....sir

>> No.70585318

>>70571103
do the needful and buy intel amd is nazis

>> No.70585327

>>70570241
buy intel...buy intel

>> No.70586304

>>70581148
And they didn't. Are you braindead?
What else do you need explained?

>> No.70586344

>>70570023
>only MSI won't support next-gen Ryzen
Nothing value was lost.

>> No.70586378

>>70586344
But they do, they were one of the first to roll out the 3000 BIOS.
This is just for their older 300 boards.

>> No.70586496

>>70586378
And my ASUS Prime X370 Pro got an update for 3000. Who care about the incapable maker that put random words like "godlike" in their board?

>> No.70586826

>>70577160
>>70577233
>>70580694
>>70571870
>>70570970
>>70570903
You are all so fucking stupid. You have a dedicated board to shitpost and flame eachother and you STILL come here to do that. Just leave...

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