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>> No.69034589

install gentoo

>> No.69034616

>>69034589
guix is the new fad

>> No.69034778

is there a retard-proof guide to setting up a bspwm environment? Or even better is there a preconfigured bspwm distro like BunsenLabs for ob and Manjaro for i3?

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>>69034616
That's were you are wrong kiddo

>> No.69034813

>>69034517
>buy touch enabled Windows laptop
>installing Manjaro from USB
>"select storage device"
>list is 100% blank
What is the reason for this, it literally shows nothing.

>> No.69034816

>try to build some program
>requires gnu autoconf, gnu automake, gnu autopoint, gnu autotool, gnu gettext, gnu intltool, gnu libtool, gnu m4, gnu make
fuck you rms

>> No.69034827

>>69034517
GNOME or KDE

>> No.69035056

Tell me what I think about openSUSE

>> No.69035282

>>69034800
who?

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we get stronger
every day

lxle, you're next

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>>69034816
How do you want to built without a built toolchain?

>> No.69035357

>>69034827
>>69035056
install gentoo
>>69035322
>distrowatch
down the toilet with your opinion

>> No.69035392

>>69034816
Obongo ships these simply as "build-essentials", maybe that's more your cup of tea?

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>>69035357
>install gentoo
bitch please
it's just a matter of days

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69035500

From the last thread - I'm not a Linux noob, but I stopped using it 10 years ago.
What are the preferred distros today?

>> No.69035805

>>69035500
Android is the most popular.

>> No.69035865

>>69035500
Ubuntu and Fedora are still highly rec'd distros for pretty much anybody.

I'd say there's been more of a push (last 5+ years) against very downstream distros. So, if Linux Mint was ever "good enough" for noobs to Linux, it's more common to see people recommend against it.

Going along with the above, I think there's been a push to just use the big "main" distros, regardless of their install/daily difficulty, due to the fact that you're going to get the best and clearest support from using them, versus using X/Y/Z downstream or small distro. Some that come to mind are Debian and Arch, although Ubuntu kinda falls under this umbrella (and so do the other *buntus) despite being a Debian offshoot.

>> No.69035916

>>69035500
Elementary os

>> No.69036281

>>69035500
Heh, you are getting some hilarious responses. Don't worry, it's still Debian.

>> No.69036563

>>69034800
do they still ship kde 3/4?

>> No.69036763

>>69035500
manjaro, at least according to distrowatch

>> No.69036797

>>69035431
>>69035322
>>69036763
>distrowatch

>> No.69036850

is there a cli-visualizer for fedora? if so does it work with pianobar? also can you get rid of borders on cinnamon? if so which config file would I have to go to?

>> No.69037238

Despite having mesa,lib32-mesa and xf87-video-nouveau, the "GLX" extension dosent seem to be installed when i go to run programs or use media players. Why?

>> No.69037303

>>69036797
yup. distrowatch. have a problem?

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It's almost 2019. Why are you still subjecting yourself to (((free)))destktop.org cancer?

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>>69034616
this

>> No.69038007

>>69035500
GuixSD, Parabola, Void, NixOS

>> No.69038197

why dhcp on ubuntu server inside virtualbox is setting inet ip? how can i achieve outside connections?

>> No.69038207

>>69038197
nvm i just bridged it

>> No.69038218

>>69038197
>>69038207
but if you could explain that question too me it would be awesome, just for my knowledge

>> No.69038455

>>69036563
I don't know but you can just change the port to get the version you want.

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>>69035500

>> No.69038519

>>69035500
Something Debian based? I think Ubuntu is too bloated and behind desu but it or it's offshoots are recommended. Debian testing comes with a gui installer so it's not like you can fuck it up. The biggest issue with Debian is I don't think .deb files work out of the box so you'll need to know the command "sudo apt-get install ". I also hear Fedora was good at some point but I've never used it so take that with a grain of salt.

If you can just try some out in VirtualBox until you find something you like. The differences are far less then their similarities. So just boot what's comfy.

>> No.69038663

>>69038519
lol

>> No.69038763

Does the linux version of firefox support hardware acceleration for videos if you are using a nvidia card?

>> No.69038970

>>69038519
Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable, IIRC. I can't imagine it's got older packages than Debian Testing.

>> No.69038991

>>69038763
I don't know the answer to your question, but
I recommend playing videos in mpv (instead of in a web browser). With mpv and youtube-dl installed, you can just feed it most URLs and have it open. Supports video, audio, images. Works on way more than just youtube, by the way. I also recommend not using an nvidia gpu if you can help it, but that's more advice for the future. I don't expect you to buy/sell a GPU all of a sudden.

>> No.69039001

>>69038763
I found a few relevant links that might help.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/491750/force-enable-hardware-acceleration-in-firefox
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=225420
These posts are old, but I believe the first one probably answers your question. It is someone using an nvidia gpu, although it's an old one.

>> No.69039422

Any ffmpeg users here? How can I convert a bunch of .png and .bmp files in a folder into 92% .jpg while keeping the originals intact?

>> No.69039459

>>69039422
Use imagemagick.

>> No.69039569

How to enable monitor mode in Kali I am brainlet

>> No.69039581

>>69039422
for i in ./*.png; do convert "${i}" -quality 92 "${i}.jpg"; done

Didn't test it tho, but that's how you'd do it.

>> No.69039599

>>69039569
Leave your neighbors WiFi alone, or I'll tell your mom.

>> No.69040253

>>69035500
Try CRUX, is easy if you know a bit about scripts and compilation.

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old server here
xeon, 1x ssd, 2x hdd
want to install urbackup on the ssd
urbackup is a backup server, centralized system
used it already it works great

I want to use btrfs in raid 0 on those two hdds where urbackup will store the backups
it works nicely and there are lot of benefits
deduplication, speed, unlimited incremental updates,...

NOW FOR THE ACTUAL QUESTION

I deploy this and in a few months I would want to run update of it
whole underlaying unix system or the urbackup server itself
before I do update I would want to ofcourse bakup the system
in case shit goes wrong
now what is the best way in this initial state to go about this?

First thing I thought I should go proxmox
not because of just capability to jus snapshot the VM or container but because of ability to use the server easily for other things
but then it turns out proxmox would be problematic when it comes to btrfs drives getting directly to the VMs. And also whole question is still there, what if it goes to shit when proxmox itself is being updated? Also I can just use docker if want to add other services to the server.

Another option is getting btrfs on the ssd, the system drive, I feel not confident enough there.

The best way so far is just going to just dd the system drive before update to some external drive, or use pirated acronis I have or clonezila... theres no additional points of failure added, but it will be kinda bothering that I will have to go to the server and deal with it 30-60 min before doing update.

Feels amateurish

so any solutions comes to other linux users mind?

>> No.69040537

>>69034517
If I wanted to test a kernel can I scp the system.map and the vmlinuz to a /boot/ partition in a VM?
Do I need to send anything else?

>> No.69041154

>>69035500
Ubuntu LTS. I'm still on 16.04 and it's great, but I'll be upgrading to 18.04 soon.

>> No.69041723

>>69041154
don't

>> No.69042039

can i still run blender, lmms, krita and gimp without systemd

>> No.69042097

pyload is SHIT and jdownloader dosent start downloas. What are other alternatives for mass downloading?

>> No.69042210

>>69039599
I unironically asked for my neighbors permission to crack his WiFi plz anon Kun help me I’m home for the holidays and it sucks big shits I’m so bored

>> No.69042217

>>69042039
You know you can, why even asking?

>> No.69042305

>>69041723
why? is gnome that bad?

>> No.69042368

>>69042305
If you like macos you’ll like gnome. If you’re not retarded you’ll like KDE. If you are retarded(smart) you’ll like i3gaps. If you’re retarded(dumb) you’ll like no gui ever and argue about how gui’s are for normies.

>> No.69042401

the one i use

>> No.69042514

>>69042217
i thought they need need systemdickk

>> No.69042726

>>69042368
Clever. Now tell me a generalization about people who like Unity.

>> No.69042736

>>69042305
Nothing works and the devs are retarded. I used to love gnome but now I'm on Xfce.

>> No.69042767

>>69042726
If you like Unity you secretly Dual boot Clover but don’t tell anyone except for the one friend who pretends to listen to you in the IRC you got invited to but no one actually wants you there or cares

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Install Gentoo

>> No.69043425

>>69042097
plowshare

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How do you find someone to hugg and fugg without using proprietary software?

>> No.69044330

>>69044026
The traditional way: Go outside.

>> No.69044338

>>69042097
RClone for (((cloud))) storage

>> No.69044589

What should I learn next about Linux?
I started about a week ago and feel comfortable with it now. I customized my desktop, learned some basic commands, installed Steam, and do pretty much everything on it now. I'm your typical computer user though, so that's not really saying much since all I do is browse the web and play games. What's the next step?

>> No.69044674

is it worth using something like firejail?

>> No.69044701

>>69044589
just use it
anything you learn by going out of your way just to learn it and then not use it will be forgotten in few weeks

what I would recommend to look in to

- get sliding terminal like tilda thats always there comfortably, with large font
- get zsh instead of bash, its so comfy, especially history
- customize and play around with shit

>> No.69044836

>>69044330
The last time I tried to tell a girl about software freedom I nearly got arrested. How do I find someone with n i c h e interests?

>> No.69044837

>>69044701
>get zsh instead of bash
Cancer, specially knowing how much more bash can do. And not, history, vi-like keys and completion are all available.

>> No.69044852

>>69044701
I already have Guake. I'll try out zsh. Hopefully it's not too different from bash. I've already played around with most of the things I can think of (kde settings mostly). The problem is I'm out of ideas when it comes to things to play with, but I guess you're right about me just forgetting if I force myself to learn stuff I'm not interested in.

I was thinking learning how to run WINE, but that doesn't seem very useful with Steam rolling out Proton.

Maybe I'll just pick up coding just so I have something to do over my holidays.

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>>69044852
zsh is almost identical to bash its just better and lot of customizable
zim-zsh is very nicely configured out of the box and very fast
https://github.com/zimfw/zimfw

I never bothered with WINE I rather played with virtualbox and virtualmachines

if you want look in to docker, I am playing with it now and its amazing, its to easily deploy self hosted stuff, sites, services

for example bookstack to serve as your center for notes and documentation https://www.bookstackapp.com/
all that is needed is just have docker and running docker-compose up
and bam, web server, database, everything is just up... learning how it all works and control is powerful and relatively easy and in the end extremely useful
but might be beyond new user scope or interest

>> No.69044949

>>69044589
info info
info coreutils
man man
man hier
GNU/Linux*

>> No.69044960

>>69044932
cringe

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>>69044701
>zsh

>> No.69044976

>>69044674
Yes.

>> No.69044991

>>69044932
>zimfw
Is om-my-zsh not cool anymore at reddit?

>> No.69044995

>>69044962
What shell should I use?

>> No.69045005

>>69044995
The one I'm using.

>> No.69045015

>>69045005
This but version 2019, version 2018 is not cool anymore.

>> No.69045018

>>69044932
I think docker is way over my head right now, but I'll keep that in mind.

>>69044949
I'll get to reading these. I tried reading man man a couple of days ago, but I feel like the info just went straight through my head, but I don't have anything better to do so why not I guess.

Thanks for the help, anons.

>> No.69045026

>>69044932
>zsh
>docker
holy cancer

>> No.69045111

Is runit this shit or did i fuck something up?
I've got a fresh install of artix, and nothing starts by itself. I've got xorg, dwm, networkmanager but nothing starts and i'm stuck with a tty. Do i have to add every process manually? Because that would be a massive pain in the ass.

>> No.69045164

>>69044837
>he doesn't know about
# share history among terminals
setopt share_history

# append to the history instead of overwriting
setopt append_history

# append to history incrementally instead of when the shell exits
setopt inc_append_history

>> No.69045179

>>69045111
https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/Runit
>Do i have to add every process manually? Because that would be a massive pain in the ass.
if you don't want control over what services get started you should probably stick to systemd

>> No.69045192

>>69045111
>Do i have to add every process manually? Because that would be a massive pain in the ass.
Why? Even if that's the case, it'd be literally once per thing.

>xorg, dwm
these shouldn't be services anyway. if both are installed, but 'exec dwm' in ~/.xinitrc and run 'startx'.

>> No.69045194

>>69045111
the computer can't read your mind

>> No.69045424

>guy tries to help a newbe
>gets memed on
why? for using the WRONG software?
fags

>> No.69045453

>>69045164
Are you talking about zsh? Because bash has this.

>> No.69045498

Can someone rec a clipboard manager that:
Is unubtrusive,i dont want a system tray daemon,i dont want a sysnotify poping up
Dosent keep a history
Works in cli,ncurses,gui programs(gtk)
?

>> No.69045501

>>69045424
deserve getting memed on for using the wrong software though

>> No.69045546

>>69045501
What is the right software?

>> No.69045575

>>69045453
Yeah, I'm talking about zsh.
>bash has this
I'm inclined to believe you don't understand the extent to which that changes how history works, as I have specifically heard it's a feature unique to zsh.

>> No.69045581

>>69045498
>no history
do you just want it to keep a few things and delete anything past that? clipit is pretty good, but has an icon and keeps history (although you could set the history really low). I've heard of one called greenclip, but I haven't tried it yet because it's not packaged on my distro. gotbletu on youtube has videos of it being integrated with rofi.

>> No.69045657

I use redhat at work so at home i've installed centos servers and Federa desktop, is there any use in swapping to Arch for my laptop or just stay Fedora?

>> No.69045664

>>69045546
the one i use

>> No.69045669

>>69034827
KDE

>> No.69045696

Whats the difference between bash and zsh, which one is recommended goys?

>> No.69045748

>>69045696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07MiM6rmMc

>> No.69045892

>>69045575
Interesting things you hear.

>> No.69045901

>>69045696
zsh can play tetris, bash can't

>> No.69045931

>>69045581
I only want it to keep my current text copy in buffer/ram/etc. I dont want it holding the last 10 things in some written somewhere on a disk that isnt apparent where it is located.
>rofi+greenclip
I dont use a launcher, i have everything on my wm's right click menu
>clipit
Installed it and it asked about history,said no, then it dosent seem to do anything, no copy or pasting worked from a multitude of locations.

>> No.69045937

>>69034517
i'm so sick of the shit-tier font rendering in debian, how do i make it not look like garbage? Last time i tried to install font-config infinality but it broke my system during the building process before i ever even got to install it...
I've seen dead links to dropboxes of font-config infinality binaries for Debian but they are dead and every other solution looks like complete garbage in comparison

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>Mfw I install i3 on xubuntu

>> No.69045962

>>69045696
tl;dr zsh has more features, the stuff you would do in bash with external programs like rename, mv, bc, cat, etc. can all be done in zsh alone.
zsh is is actually a fine shell, if people would actually use it instead of installing meme frameworks and rice their PS1.
Personally I prefer bash.

>> No.69046110

>>69035500
Devuan.

>> No.69046119

I'm using RTMPDump, but when i run it, it creaters the file but does not populate the file with the streams data. Its not showing any debug information,just that it found the stream and its created the file.
I've given the folder 777 permissions that it is running in.What could be the problem?

>> No.69046155

>>69044330
No way, all modern cars and public transit run proprietary software, anon.

>> No.69046379

Do I have to read every single man to know what I'm doing? How much time do you guys spend reading man files? I don't think my brain can handle all this man reading. Aaaaa.

>> No.69046410

>>69046379
that's like reading the entire dictionary.

>> No.69046431

>>69046410
When do I read man pages then? Just when I need to use something? Are there any essential ones that I need to read from top to bottom?

>> No.69046492

>>69046431
yeah that sounds like a good plan to me.
the way i got my head around gnu/linux was to first search for guides showing examples of commands. after sometime (can be weeks, months, years) i could eventually read man whatever and do what i needed to.
it's not gonna be overnight that you understand what you are doing, i would also recommend keeping a file with the commands you might end up using later, or maybe making small guides for yourself.
kinda like you don't memorize the entire dictionary, you aren't gonna memorize all the man pages there are on your system.

>> No.69046529

>>69046379
The best thing to do is actually some shell scripting. Build something, your very own screenfetch for example. In the process you'll read manpages better and actually understand what you read there. After that, you only fire them up for refreshing.

>> No.69046596

>>69035865
Thanks, bro

>>69036281
>>69038519
I had a Debian desktop for a few years in the early 2000s, it was rock solid once it was set up but there were so many package choices that it was hard to tell if I was setting it up right at the beginning. I think I'll just go back to Ubuntu as a Debian with okay defaults.

>> No.69046671

Hey guys, it’s been awhile since I’ve used Linux, but I picked up a Rock64 and installed Ubuntu on it.

Do people not login as root anymore? I tried to su -l root but it wouldn’t let me in. I didn’t think much of it since the rock64 user is in the sudoers group, but I was thinking I should probably lock this thing down a little bit.

>change root password
>change rock64 user password
>lock down ssh a little tighter

Not really sure how much all this really matters though, my wife barely knows how to use Windows, but the box is acting as a DNS server right now and I have UPnP turned on so there’s probably all kinds of ports open to my network.

>> No.69046691

>>69046492
These sound pretty good to me. I've been writing shit down that I thought would be useful, but I think I'm gonna take it down a notch on the man reading since it's not helping me much.

>>69046529
Not sure I can handle that yet. Hopefully in a week or so though. I already have an idea of something I want to build, do you think this is something simple and doable for a complete newbie?

I want a word of the day desktop widget that also translates the English word into another language of my choice.

>> No.69046718

>>69046671
Ubuntu likes to do everything by sudo. If the box is internet facing then it's good to configure a firewall like ufw.

>> No.69046811

What desktop environment is best for customizing it your self?

>> No.69046834

>>69046718
Ok thanks for the tip.

>> No.69046884

I want a program that visually regonizes my memes and automatically moves them in their related directories.

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I'm trying to get started with Linux. I'm currently running Windows 10.

I want to install the most recent version possible of Linux Mint Cinnamon on a usb. I want to be able to boot it from the usb, and I want it to be persistent so that I'm able to save files from one session to the next.

I've been able to install a non persistent version of Cinnamon v18.3 on the USB no problem using BOOTICE to partition the drive and UNetBootin to install Linux on the drive. However, I couldn't find any way to make persistent like this. I switched to using Linux Live USB Creator to install Linux on the drive, and I succeeded in installing a persistent copy of Linux Mint Mate v17.3. But for whatever reason it runs so slow that it just wouldn't be practical to use.

Does anyone know how I can get this to work? I heard somewhere that Cinnamon isn't compatible with this? I'm a total noob here, so any help is really appreciated.

>> No.69046993

>>69046944
Well it's always going to be slow if you want it to be persistent on a USB, you should partition your hard drive and install a Linux distro there.. you'll fuck up your boot but you'll probably figure that out eventually
And at some point you'll use Linux 99% of the time and you'll wonder why you even wanted windows and Linux at the same time

>> No.69047049

>>69046993
Linux is a kernel. A program in a system.

>> No.69047060

>>69047049
thank dr stalman

>> No.69047088

So I want to get a Thinkpad that is able to go Libreboot. Which models will work?

>> No.69047094

>>69046993
>it's always going to be slow if you want it to be persistent on a USB
That's lame. It's so slow that it would be better for me to set it up without persistence, and reinstall the programs I'll want to use every session.

If I wanted to do what you described I'm pretty sure I could, but I really like the idea of having a consistent environment that I can use from any computer. I want to get as much millage out of that concept as I can first.

>> No.69047129

Which non-GNU/Linux but free systems do you like or use? Anything worth trying?

>> No.69047326

I have a Surface Pro 6 (newest one).
I'm open to trying Linux - I've only ever used Ubuntu a few years ago.

Here are my requirements: a onenote 2016 alternative (or making it work on Linux through Wine or something) that isn't online since I'll back my stuff up myself that does support the stylus and has ink to text.

Some sort of PDF annontator and editor so that I can increase margins manually and clip out individual pages (snip tool on Windows is a work around but does what I want) to paste into the above onenote replacement.

Some sort of radial menu or Linux version of tabletpro
https://tabletpro.com/
Basically I need to be able to get some functions if needed, like on Krita or in a windowed app that's maximized.

>> No.69047593

>>69045696
zsh is for l33t haxx0rs who think are cool but do no work whatsoever just rice their command prompt, bash is for serious scripting up to be a powerful scripting language

>> No.69047605

on kde plasma, why is chrome scrolling choppy AF, but firefox scrolling is smooth AF. everyone seems to say the opposite. I have smooth scrolling enabled on both. Seems that scrolling in FF has much high FPS. Anyway to fix this in chrome?

>> No.69047613

>>69046119
post output

>> No.69047680

Would it be best if a first year computer science Major downloaded mint or Debian for my first Linux os

>> No.69047710

>>69047680
>first Linux
Linux Mint, ignore any other recommendation. And I am telling you that while using a source based distro myself but I know your best experience is go for the easy road.

>> No.69047737

>>69047680
>first Linux
PCLinuxOS, ignore any other recommendation. And I am telling you that while using a source based distro myself but I know your best experience is go for the easy road.

>> No.69047743

>>69047737
You witty motherfucker

>> No.69047757

Is Artix the new meme distro?

>> No.69047774

>>69036763
When the hell did Manjaro take the top spot?

>> No.69047784

>>69047757
>rolling-release
>arch-based
>systemd-free
Sounds pretty memey.

>> No.69047790

>>69036763
>>69047774
Holy shit, the fuck is happening!

>> No.69047800

What's the quickest way to make KDE look good? I want to replace the theme and taskbar

>> No.69047815

>>69047800
Remove KDE, install a wm

>> No.69047823

>>69047613
The only output is
INFO: Connecting . . .
[DEBUG] ID *userid* *username*.mp4

With each being specific streams

>> No.69047843

>>69047800
Install Lumina.

>> No.69047879

>>69047680
Use Debian.

>> No.69047896

>>69047680
Mint or Fedora. I would avoid Debian because the stable repo can be out of date and even some random packages from the unstable repo can be outdated

>> No.69047907

>>69047896
Please don't toll the newbs.

>> No.69047912

>>69047907
This, some of us actually know fedora enough for not recommending it to noobs

>> No.69047932

>>69047896
>please avoid the best distro
>use the worst

>> No.69047935

>>69047912
Please explain why. It's the first no-fuss distro I've used where things just work

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Today I will remind them.
>>69047710
>>69047896
Stop recommending Mint.
https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/
https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4v116g/can_we_stop_recommending_linux_mint/
http://www.zdnet.com/article/hacker-hundreds-were-tricked-into-installing-linux-mint-backdoor/
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/canonical-dev-dont-use-linux-mint-online-banking-unsecure
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-the-linux-mint-hack-is-an-indicator-of-a-larger-problem/

>> No.69047958

>>69047953
Old news, also wasn't Microsoft suspected to be involved?

>> No.69047965

>>69047953
Oh I though you were talking about Fedora. I forgot about the Mint stuff

>> No.69047992

>>69047953
Still better than Windows.

>> No.69048008

Switched to nouveau due to graphical glitcheds with nvidia
I have mesa,lib32-mesa, and xf86-video-nouveau installed, yet i canot launch most gui's because "GLX IS MISSING".
mesa provides glx
I have rebooted since the time of uninstalling nvidia and installing nouveau,which has successfully loaded per dmesg output.
How do i enable glx?

>> No.69048011

>>69035805
Fuck off

>> No.69048055

>>69048011
But he's right.

>> No.69048154

>>69047953
how the hell do they get away with shipping with oracle anyway??

>> No.69048788

>>69034517
I'm trying to install Arch on my laptop but I'm a brainlet so please help. I got through the first few steps of the install guide on the arch wiki but then it said to run "# arch-chroot /mnt" but when I do, no commands work. Like none, not even "ls". What did I fuck up?

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>>69034517
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_helpers
Which one of these should I use?

>> No.69049559

So I've been using Arch with KDE on my X230 for a while now and was thinking about switching to just using a WM.
I'm considering either i3-gaps or dwm, which one do you think would be easier to use and configure or is there another WM I should take a look at?

>>69048788
don't include the '# ' in your command, just run 'arch-chroot /mnt' also make sure you actually mounted your filesystem.

>> No.69049655

>>69049559
I didn't put the '#' in the command, I know that means just run it as root, but how do I check if I actually mounted my filesystem?

>> No.69049698

>>69049655
Oh wait one thing actually, did you run '# pacstrap /mnt base base-devel' before chrooting?

>> No.69049738

>>69049698
I ran '# pacstrap /mnt base' but the installation guide didn't say anything about base-devel

>> No.69049756

is it true that BSD''s Linux compatibility layer is so horrible?

>> No.69049774

>>69049738
Hmm try that and also you can check if you mounted your file systems with 'findmnt'.
Can you link the guide?

>> No.69049821

>>69049774
I'm using this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide
I did '# pacstrap /mnt base base-devel' and it says "Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded" and when I ran 'findmnt' it just displays a table type thing that seems to be my file systems.

>> No.69050156

PLEASE HELP ME

I updated Manjaro yesterday (Kernel and drivers I think)(Kernel 4.19.xx) and now it wont boot.
I can't rollback in grub, because its the only kernel installed and using another live medium doesn't work somehow. what can I do?

>> No.69050162

Is yay the best AUR manager?

>> No.69050199

>>69050162
imho yes

>> No.69050238

>>69050156
to clarify: booting a live medium works but it wont let me change properties of the installed system, or I'm doing it wrong

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just finished installing NixOS, configuring xmonad rn
how did I do?

>> No.69050534

Me again.
>>69046944

So far having a persistent copy of Linux on a USB is not as cool as I thought it would be. It's so painfully slow that I can't use it. Bumping for advice one more time before I just reformat the drive and install a non persistent copy. I won't be able to save files, but at least I can actually enjoy the experience.

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Wasn't there linux gaming thread somewhere? I can't find it.

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Today is the day one can finally substitute wpa-supplicant for iwd.

>> No.69050613

>>69050558
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/v/

>> No.69050632

>>69050613
But there is nothing about linux gaming.

>> No.69050725
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i put together a gtk prog (short for program) that shows packages from xbps

>> No.69050737

How do I create a complete bare bones rootfs for Arch? I want to make a mininal chroot.

>> No.69050749

>>69050725
Does it have a freedom respecting license?

>> No.69050768

>>69050156
Boot live image, chroot into Manjaro, install old Linux, reboot, select old Linux.

>> No.69050793

>>69045931
>Installed it and it asked about history,said no
not really sure how you're expecting these programs to work without at least a small history. it's keeping track of pastes so you can choose an old one. if you don't want them sitting around, choose a low number like five. all of them that I've seen eventually wipe out the old stuff anyway. I actually use clipit with its search extensively for week-old pastes, and a couple times I had copied more than usual and lost some stuff I was expecting to find. I don't think I can set the history larger than 1000 entries.

>> No.69050795

>>69045937
infinality patches were merged into fontconfig ages ago, you just have to learn how to configure it now

>> No.69050799

>>69046379
just crack it open when you need to check for something. it's got a search so it's usually pretty fast

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>>69047088
X60, T60, X200, T400, T500, W500
The first two can do a software-only install, the latter need you to flash a chip

>> No.69050822

>>69047757
The old one, maybe. I'd recommend Parabola (OpenRC Edition), Void, or GuixSD over it.

>> No.69050827

>>69034816
Your never gnu make it

>> No.69050838

>>69047953
What's a better recommendation for someone like parents or grandparents to use?

>> No.69050843

>>69049131
trizen

>> No.69050851

>>69050725
looks pretty nice

>> No.69050854

>>69050583
tell me about iwd

>> No.69051022

>>69050854
It's pretty good. It doesn't hang my system like wpa-suupplicant does sometimes.

Also, iwd has an excellent ncurses interface.

Only downside is that it requires dbus.

>> No.69051101

>>69037469
>triple round brackets
Were you trying to be funny? Because antisemitism isn't funny, anon.

>> No.69051108

>>69038763
GNU/Linux*

>> No.69051124

>>69044995
pdksh

>> No.69051136

>>69050793
I dont want any history at all i just want a unified clipboard that i can use in all the different interfaces. I just want the most recent copy to be the only one that is stored. Im not looking to have a lists of copies, i just want a unified way to copy/paste to urxvt,ncurses,and gui rogram(gtk) interchangibly

>> No.69051138

>>69045194
yet

>> No.69051146

>>69050816
Thank you

>> No.69051162

>>69050838
If you love them, install Debian stable for them. If not, give them a Ubuntu CD.

>> No.69051218

hey fglt
Which Is the best distro with security advisories?
I want to have the option of only doing --security and --bugfixes to my distro.
I know there is Debian but I wonder if they are fast enough to deliver patches against CVE. I know red hat is the best one in speed for that matter but I don't have money to pay for that, I would just use it on my laptop and also on personal servers. Before anyone recommends CentOS, the reality is CentOS just copies everything red hat ships for the default update option and even with that they take their time with autism to check if the rebuild was okay. Overall CentOS isn't worth it over RHEL imo.
I'm just a security autist that's all. So I want to know if there is a better option than Debian.
I don't buy the "every Linux is as secure as its admin" bullshit, you could run a script to check CVEs and patch them yourself but that's autistic, and I'm not on that level yet

>> No.69051239

>>69046431
When you get told to RTFM.

>> No.69051269

>>69051218
Arch is very fast with patches, sometimes the first (just rememer the ffmpeg vuln).
Debian has good security too. Stable has a security team.

>> No.69051281

>>69046379
first and foremost the whole thing about update policies and package management, if you're on manjaro, mint or arch get the fuck out and grab a real distro with security advisories. Then read about basic shell scripting: what are cp ls ln * | > < >> & bg fg commands and symbols for. Any else you need to use you also read the manual, you just don't run a script you downloaded without knowing what it does.

>> No.69051312

>>69051269
arch moves too fast for my taste, but now that you mentioned it I'm reading their security team article. I'm pretty sure instead of patching an old version they will just rebase the package to upstream for security purposes. Which actually is faster than to port the fix to the old version by definition but also is lazy, it makes me doubt if they can actually maintain the distro without depending on upstream

>> No.69051324

>>69050613
Friendly thread.

>> No.69051366
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>>69050749
Reminder to all that freedom-respecting != freedom-protecting. Always prefer GPL software, it not only respects your freedom but also protects it.

>> No.69051376

>>69051366
thank dr stalman

>> No.69051381
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>>69051366
kys fatfuck, I'll use other licenses fuck you.
MIT and BSD gang rise up.
FUCK GNU NIGGERS

>> No.69051401

>>69035392
it's a Debian thing, still fuck GNU I prefer clang

>> No.69051403
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Will 2019 finally be the year of the Linux desktop, /fglt/?

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>>69051401
Please avoid non-copyleft software, anon. It doesn't protect your freedoms.

>> No.69051428

>>69051403
No. Desktop is dead. It is a workstation now, means of production.

>> No.69051453

>>69051423
>hurr if is not gnu is not free open source
kys pig

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>>69051428
Are we taking over the means of production you say?

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>>69051381
Once upon a time working at the university Andrew T. created a kernel for his students so they could have something to dick around with and learn. Later he released it under the BSD license. Today, running in Intel chips, his software powers the largest hardware botnet around the world. Don't be like Andrew, choose GPL.

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>>69051453
That's not what was said, anon. Your strawman-shaped intellectual dishonesty is not appreciated.

>> No.69051490

>>69047953
all these articles are old as fuck, maybe if you found something actually recent it would be more convincing

>> No.69051493

>>69051428
Is that why every time I walk into an office space these days every thing I see still are only Windows machines as far as the eye reaches?

>> No.69051504

>>69051490
they still aren't shipping any CVEs fucktard, the project is as shit as ever

>> No.69051513

>>69051467
the fun part is he didn't know about it for decades util researches told him

>> No.69051525

>>69051428
desktop is workstation you dip

>> No.69051538

>>69051403
Only when Torvalds finally fixes the Linux filepicker.

>> No.69051547

>>69051513
That's what happens most of the time when your wife cheats on you, everybody else finds out before you do.

>> No.69051556

>>69051538
Who?

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>>69051493
>I walk into an office space

>> No.69051631

>>69051525
not the same guy but is not the same

>> No.69051644

gnu/phallus

>> No.69051654

>>69051644
OwO

>> No.69051818

KDE Plasma. Is it possible to block a certain window from minimizing even when the hotkey for that is pressed? Actually, Ignoring all the key shortcuts would work too.

>> No.69051838

Is there a manjaro but for Gentoo ?

>> No.69051842

>>69051818
Install Lumina.

>> No.69051914

>>69034800
Absolutely atrocious font rendering.

>> No.69051919

>>69034816
Install from packages, bucko.

>> No.69051962

>>69037469
Name a better alternative.

>> No.69051997

>>69045657

I'd say stay with Fedora. I've read somewhere that they will take some time to release fedora 30 (or 29) so I dunno.
You get nothing valuable from arch, it's very niche. I use, and recommend, picking an arch based distro and calling it a day, you waste too much time setting arch up. My main distro is Manjaro and if I need to pick something from the AUR I simply use yaourt.

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>>69051818
Nvm, figured it out. Still minimizes on "show desktop", but I guess that's fine. Pic related.

>> No.69052109

What distro can i use for my old as shit laptop? Other than lubuntu (which works great but i want to try something else) and debian. I just want something thats easy to install and that use little resources

>> No.69052118

>>69042736
I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.

>> No.69052120

How can I disable my microphone and have it enabled / disabled automatically when I start / shut down mumble? I don't use it with any other application.

>> No.69052126

is archlabs any good? I want a good distro that uses KDE

>> No.69052127

>>69052120
Install OSS4.

>> No.69052129

>>69045657
no, stay on fedora. you can do --security and --bugfixes when updating so that you not end up discovering more bugs than needed. Also the team maintaining Fedora 's security is bigger than the one on arch, and arch is known for just pushing development branch upstream instead of applying patches to stable versions. Fedora is just more polished. Do a minimal installation, server or idk if they have net install. I just install the workstation
>>69052109
maybe a fedora spin, lxqt or lxde fedora
>>69042736
>Xfce
Is the equivalent of just fuck my shit up, I don't know how it can be as bloated as gnome and kde while being as functional as lxde or openbox, seriously don't go for Xfce is a dead project

>> No.69052134

>>69052109
SparkyLinux with Lumina DE.

>> No.69052155

>>69052126
I thought archlabs defaults to openbox. for kde there's Debian and fedora kde, I would use any of the 2, the first one if you don't like tons of updates. Install with the "firmware non free" isos to be sure you don't miss a driver, on fedora I think at install time it adds the missing firmware

>> No.69052234

>>69052155
>recommending nonfree software
thug life

>> No.69052248

>>69051838
CloverOS

>> No.69052249

>>69052234
Firmware does not run on your CPU, anon.

>> No.69052265

>>69052248
What if I'm heterosexual though?

>> No.69052268

>>69052155
I don't like debian but I love fedora, I'm currently using it on my desktop but I want to try something new on my laptop

>> No.69052275

>>69052234
oh no, another retard

>> No.69052277

>>69052265
>>>/out/

>> No.69052287

>>69052277
>implying /fglt/ is only for homos

>> No.69052296

>>69052109
Xubuntu/Linux Lite
Peppermint OS
MX Linux

>> No.69052300

>>69052287
We're all faggots here.

>> No.69052313

>>69052249
>>69052275
Are you literally stupid?

>> No.69052339
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Sup /g/oys,

Is it worth switching to a Linux system for development? If so, are there any distros that are more/less suitable for a development environment? Freedom is a plus

>> No.69052360

>>69052339
>Is it worth switching to a Linux system for development?
Yes.
>If so, are there any distros that are more/less suitable for a development environment?
Devuan.

>> No.69052380

>>69052339
Yes.
If this is your first time ever for using linux. Just stick with *buntu and you'll be fine.

>> No.69052404

>>69052339
No.

>> No.69052423

>>69052313
>GNU GNU GNU GNU GNU GNU
>free software free software
>freedumbs freedumbs freedumbs
that's all you have to say?
>>69052268
if you are the guy thinking about archlabs really just use straight up arch, I can barely trust arch; much less a middleman to arch. Fedora is comfy enough to not want to try anything else, if anything you would want security updates without much debasing (for me, because it writes a lot on the HDD and sometimes I don't even have that much bandwidth, and it introduces bugs sometimes). If you need something closer to upstream you have rawhide, the rolling release fedora, or updates testing repositories. And of course building from source.
>>69052339
Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian are the best ones. Fedora has the best installer imo because you can divide systems in partitions with the same password. Debian is a bit old, but is the one with less bugs or security issues. Ubuntu has the most software, but has more bugs than either Fedora or Debian in my experience. Either way, bugs are way less common and harmful than on windows.
For developing you will love using git

>> No.69052471

>>69052360
>>69052380
>>69052423
Ye I’m leaning towards Debian, I like the idea of a more minimal system and people say Ubuntu is a bit bloat. Also muh freedoms.
I’d be doing scientific computing projects, nothing super intensive but I may end up using CUDA for a class. Would using Debian cause any issues in this area of development?

>> No.69052485

>>69052423
I think the servers at my school run either Debian or Ubuntu as well, so I’m used to using git/make on those machines too

>> No.69052533

>>69052339
>Is it worth switching to a Linux system for development?
Yes!
>are there any distros
>doing scientific computing
>CUDA
Debian always uses old, but stable software.
I would use Fedora.

>> No.69052694

>>69052423
What's wrong with freedom?

>> No.69052744

>>69052694
it you forcing your guhnoo and freedumbs on us
gnutards should leave the community alone already

>> No.69052745

>>69052471
cuda works without problems on Debian, actually when I said Ubuntu was a bit buggy, that one in particular didn't work with the repositories cuda drivers. Most people build from Nvidia I guess. That's when I wanted to test Ubuntu but I ended up back on Debian.

>> No.69052778

>>69052694
It's getting in the way of our massive corporate profits, that's what's wrong with it!

>> No.69052779

>>69052471
try scientific linux

>> No.69052780

>>69052744
no u

>> No.69052806
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>>69052744
The name “GNU” is a recursive acronym for “GNU's Not Unix!”; it is pronounced as one syllable with a hard g, like “grew” but with the letter “n” instead of “r”.

This is a recording of Richard Stallman saying “GNU” and another with a short explanation about how GNU was named:

· https://www.gnu.org/audio/gnu-pronunciation.ogg
· https://www.gnu.org/audio/how-gnu-was-named.ogg

>> No.69052871

>>69052806
>wine is no emulator
Now I truly see.

>> No.69052886

>>69052471
>>69052779
also CentOS works as a stable base, and you could add the cuda driver on top. If I remember correctly scientific and CentOS are the most used for cuda servers. You have to read a bit to set up your desktop but once you're done it will stay the same for years with security and bug updates. Also a point for them over Debian is that the user applications are more updated, but the core system is more stable. Another point for development on CentOS/Scientific is that they support 2 versions of compilers, normal development toolset which is a bit old, and SCL development toolset which has GCC 7 (or 8, I don't remember) and clang 5.
While Debian, someone correct me if I'm wrong but there's no "official" solution for newer compilers, you would have to download from testing and install in a different directory. While in CentOS you just install scl devtoolset and enable them with a command. But overall I think Fedora or Centos are more complicated than just Debian

>> No.69052899

>>69052423
yeah im the archlabs guy, I love fedora but I like trying new distros so I dont want to install fedora again

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>>69052886
Too many choices AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.69052923

>>69052886
Maybe I should just go full autist mode and install arch

>> No.69052925

What's a pretty small distro like Alpine that isn't too crippled down but small enough to fit on ~250MB max?

>> No.69052942

>>69052913
What asshole program generates these filenames?

>> No.69052999

>>69052942
I think he is using a fingerprinting filename script. Is shit if you ask me, is making a fingerprinting instead of erasing it.

>> No.69053012
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>>69052806
>recursive acronym

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>>69052942
kek, I've seen a guy who always shitposts against Aqua in /a/ with those file names, he thinks no one knows he's same fagging but you can see all of his image are named like that
>>69052913
then just settle with Debian, it's easier than CentOS to use on a desktop. Get the firmware iso and be done with it, next year it gets an update to Debian 10

>> No.69053032

>>69052923
eventually it gets too unstable and it no longer boots if you go full autist, I mean it could work is just harder to maintain and you are just more vulnerable if you don't read the changelogs

>> No.69053107

>>69052899
well I guess you don't have work to do, neither I had work to do so that's why I researched so many distros. I couldn't choose but now I see more clearly. You can work with whatever you want, if it's connected to the internet and has high traffic Debian and RHEL are the fastest to patch against security threats. Ubuntu if you want to use the most software available without problems, but with less guarantee of security. Fedora or Centos if you are a developer. Arch is ironically the closest to Ubuntu but without an installer. Gentoo if you fear the CIA is backdooring the packages of all other mentioned distros through modified compilers. And Slackware if you have serious terminal autism and like to patch every software manually or with cooked scripts. What else? I think that's about every distribution. Oh yeah, never use derivatives if is not a good exception like Ubuntu or Centos: bad examples are Linux mint, Manjaro, CloverOS, ArchLabs, etc. Because all they do is redistribute packages or recompile without much testing, it's simply less secure.

>> No.69053155

>>69053107
Why do you recommend Fedora or CentOS for development?

>> No.69053230

Do NOT recommend fedora to new users. Is a living hell. For desktop anything based on Debian like Ubuntu or Devuan.

For servers you could recommend fedora but at that point just go for CentOS.

>> No.69053268

>>69053155
Fedora because they don't change functionality that much unless needed for security in a release. So they are the newest but also reliable versions. So for a personal project you are compiling your binaries with newest features.
And CentOS because if you develop a program that works on CentOS, it will keep working on Centos for a long time since it doesn't change that much. And within CentOS there's a metapackage with newer compilers that don't mess up with the "stable" original compilers on that version, is two commands away from GCC 7 and clang 5. And overall, Centos is basically warranted to work, since RHEL is literally certified to work; though "officially" Centos doesn't secure anything because it's a rebuild of red hat and they don't test for security or certify the built software, but the source package they use is really reliable.
This last one has to be the Linux distro with less bugs of all of them, given that your hardware is verified to work on it. RHEL has a list of works™ on its page.
Though I like more the Debian project than CentOS because, is not a rebuild, just for that.

>> No.69053313

>>69053230
Is Ubuntu: Arch™ Edition without spyware but you're right, basic in the back of my mind I know it needs to install ffmpeg and codecs to not have trouble with multimedia, plus the wifi driver if the network adapter is not supported by default. But after that you basically have something as polished as a Mac.
>devuan
dropped

>> No.69053323

>>69052287
Wait, isn't it?!

>> No.69053390

>>69053313
I believe debian testing is bleeding edge, haven't found evidence differing with this

>> No.69053445

>>69053390
Debian is okay even on testing, but I'd make sure to enable Sid for security updates. What I don't support is a shitty fork project that only removes systemd, what the hell, like just install SysV if you are that autistic, both cases is just less supported by everyone, even if you build from source, if it uses a init script it's probably pointing to systemd.

>> No.69053464

Guise I'm having a strange issue since updating my kernel with gentoo. Now on every boot it takes forever for falkon or keepass to load (several minutes). I can launch a terminal fine, but any other application takes several minutes and then all load at once. I've tried googling, but I can't seem to get any traction. Any ideas of what I borked or what I should google?

>> No.69053489

>>69053445
Most people removing systemd have the same problem of a broken system. I agree, I tried myself and stuff is broken and some packages behave weird. Forking was the best idea to have other inits running without these problems.

>> No.69053509

>>69047680
Ubuntu LTS. Look at the numbers of users and look at what eg. NVIDIA supports for their AI SDKs. People who say 'mint' are discounting Ubuntu's polished and widely tested installer which is a key part of the experience.

>> No.69053556

What Linux distro is using kernel 4.20?

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>>69052339
>for development
Development of what? If you want to develop commercial software for Windows or iOS, then Linux is definitely not your best bet.

>> No.69053571

>>69053230
Yes memedora is shit and no, it can't be used on servers. If you recommend fedora for servers you are retarded.
There are nice non-debian distros for desktops too, such as OpenSuSe.

>> No.69053575

>>69053445
Most packages on Debian have SystemD as a dependency, removing SystemD and installing SysV is more likely to create a frankendebian because of retarded dependencies
This is basically the whole point of Devuan

>> No.69053576

>>69048008
Help?

>> No.69053577

>>69053556
The one I'm using.

>> No.69053579

>>69053558
Small scientific computing projects to work on, to build a GitHub portfolio

>> No.69053603

>>69034778
there is an year old community distro for Manjaro with bspwm, used it myself

>> No.69053654

>>69053575
>>69053489
so stop using shitty forks of a distro based on that thing the fork wants to remove
>>69053579
centos is probably the most used one by research facilities, just look at CERN they dropped Scientific Linux for CentOS. Having experience in CentOS also has more worth than with Debian, there's proprietary software than only works on rhel/centos, or just because they don't want to rebuild the whole software for a new system every 2 years

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>>69053579
Oh ok. Ubuntu LTS is my recommendation for desktop Linux. It's the most widely supported and great for development.

>> No.69053683

>>69053654
>so stop using shitty forks of a distro based on that thing the fork wants to remove
I suspect you didn't read or understood the other posts.

>> No.69053701

>>69053683
>systemd bad
>deprecated Unix like inits good

>> No.69053793

>>69053701
Go back to bed, Lennart. Santa won't show up while you remain up.

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>>69053793
u got me, but still is 12 pm where I live

>> No.69053903

>>69053667
If it's good enough for Terry, it's good enough for you.

>> No.69054057

I'm trying to convert someone to linux that has a crappy old 1GB PC from like 2006 or something. So far I have decided on lxde with void, which means about 130MB on idle, but looks like absolutely shit, so does anyone know how to know I could setup the lubuntu theme for lxde? Since it looks quite nice.

Alternatively, lxqt looks nice out of the box, but uses about 150MB on void. I could try ditching a DE, openbox by itself is about 90MB, so that's great, but I have no experience in ricing, so I don't know how I'd be able to quickly set it up properly so it looks nice and so that he doesn't need to fiddle with config files.

If anyone has better suggestion for a distro, I'm all ears too.

>> No.69054069

>>69054057
Install Lumina.

>> No.69054080

New thread:
>>69054070
>>69054070
>>69054070

>> No.69054098

>>69054057
If they're new to linux and a retard like I was when I started using it, just get them mint, manjaro, or openSUSE

>> No.69054124

>>69054057
Not worth it. You could literally get a better PC for $35. How much is your time worth?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-OptiPlex-3010-SFF-Desktop-i3-3220-3-3Ghz-CPU-8-GB-250-GB-HDD-Windows-7-Pro/143057911804

>> No.69054365

>>69053107
I do any work that needs to be done on my Fedora machine, my laptop is for shitposting and occasional light work

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>>69053230
had way more issues with ubuntu than fedora, ubuntu is terrible and I wouldn't even recommend it to beginners

>> No.69054395

>>69054365
based

>> No.69054466

>>69054378
let me guess, not actually using ubuntu, using lubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu or some bullshit.

>> No.69055082

sudo or opendoas?
which one do you use?

>> No.69055410

>>69054466
used normal ubuntu, kubuntu is even better than standard

>> No.69055552

>>69055410
Kubuntu is shit. OpenSuSE is better if you want KDE.

>> No.69055593

>>69055552
is openSUSE>Fedora ?

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