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I recently got an old Power Mac G5.
1.8GHz PPC Dual Processor, 4GB DDR400, GeForce FX5200.

What can I do with it aside from installing Gentoo?

>> No.66929430


Unioronically install Gentoo on it

>> No.66929436

Install Gentoo.

>> No.66929456

Unironically throw it in the trash.

>> No.66929463

I wasn't being ironic when I mentioned installing Gentoo.

>> No.66929492

combo door stop/space heater
also install gentoo on it

>> No.66929500

install a decent linux distro on it and use it for web browsing or keep osx on it for legacy mac software.

>> No.66929530


So Gentoo? I tried browsing the web with TenFourFox under 10.4 'Tiger' and it was slow, every website uses a shitload of cancerscript these days.

Youtube works though, limited to 360p in the HTML5 player and choppy video.

>> No.66929788

Leopard + brew + community patches and programs like TFF and Debian ppc64 dual boot from SSDs.
Upgrade that GPU and RAM. The Dual 1.8 is not a good one anyways, if it was Quad it had some more appeal.

>> No.66929943

Can it run hd porn?

>> No.66929957

well i was gifted an old phenom 2 tower. Im just going to put freenas on it and use it as a nas

>> No.66930060

Depends on the codec and GPU.

>> No.66930110

I stuffed in all the RAM I had laying around, 4GB should be enough I think, I doubt I'll find 8x 1GB DDR400 DIMMS, in matched pairs, for cheap

Same for the CPUs, these will be expensive as well. Too expensive for an old machine like this. Dual 2.5GHz would cost me over a 100 bucks incl. shipping.

I feel like tiger + gentoo dualboot would be the best option for now.

However what can I use this old tower for aside from space heater?

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8x 512MB, matched pairs

>> No.66930154 [DELETED] 


You can try using it as a dilator for your butthole

>> No.66930155

sell the guys, save the case
cut and drill to put a custom built pc in there
make the external buttons work somehow
dunno, could be a nice little diy project

>> No.66930163


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Das rite mane.
Currently doing just that, found one on the trash and guttet it, case was jammed and scratched to oblivion so I spend quite a few hours on fixing it and now I'm doing a paintjob to make it look a bit nicer.
Tried to run it before gutting it but it was pretty much dead. I'll sell the parts on ebay, maybe someone needs that trash.

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That would be a waste, I love old hardware but it's just a shame that they're not going to be used. This computer is 15 years old, I used to have one about 8 years ago (2GHz variant) as my only computer and it worked fine. I can't believe that now, 8 years later, it's completelt useless.

>> No.66930256

It was always an overheating piece of shit and one of the main reasons Apple switched to Intel.

>> No.66930274

I think you can buy a conversion kit to turn it into a standard ATX case. Probably involves dremel-ing though.

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Wasn't it because IBM promised 3GHz but couldn't deliver in time? So they abandoned the future and became a mainstream computer vendor. Apple should've stayed with PowerPC.

>> No.66930296

Install Gentoo or Debian or OpenBSD or NetBSD or anything else with decent PowerPC support and have fun with it.

>> No.66930299


I have no need to turn it into a generic piece of shit pc, I already got a thinkpad I can use for everything.

>> No.66930309

How come some have heat spreaders and some don't

Why would Apple use RAM heat spreaders anyway? I thought they were a meme.

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I don't know the exact reasons why, I just know that the Intel baded Mac Mini that was released shortly after was performing bettrr overall without running as hot as the G5 and you could probably fit like 10 of them into a G5 case. Nothing could compete with Intel back then so Apple took the only logical move.

>> No.66930331


This was random RAM I had laying around, the blue RAM comes from the P4 I had when I was a kid, I put blue heatspreaders on the ram, spraypainted the case metallic grey and put 230V Christmas lights inside the case.

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However, the first Mac Pro had heatspreaders on its DDR2.

>> No.66930356

you could mod the case for ATX motherboards. It's a fun project that's not too hard.

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>> No.66930389

Why not

>> No.66930412

1. I already have an empty (somewhat damaged) G5 case that is halfway modded, probably needs to be redone. (working with metal isn't really my think I guess.)
2. I have no use for an empty case, I don't have any hardware to fit into that case, my current desktop already has the 2005-2007 aesthetic.

>> No.66930416

Take it to junk yard, get whatever money you can for it.

>> No.66930418

Yes. Don't listen to >>66930384 he's just some fucking autist. I will advise against ripping apart a nice working system for it though. Buy a mostly gutted or non-working system to do the case mod. If you find a mint condition case you just have to mod, then transfer the good internals into a beat up case. These workstations are hard to find and shouldn't be destroyed for a case mod.

Same goes for SGI, Sun and other Unix systems, though I'm personally going to try to fit some newer PC parts into a broken O2 system. Case mods are great, just don't be that asshole who shreds a working machine for it.

>> No.66930421


>> No.66930468

I actually picked up the system for cheap (because I used to had one 8 years ago, nostalgia), including an 20" Apple Cinema Display. these sets usually go for over 100.

I am against ripping apart a fully working system too and I've said multiple times I do not want to mod it. Yet everyone keeps suggesting it.

>> No.66930475

Makes an alright alternative Linux/BSD system but I wouldn't really discount Tiger either, there's really nothing you can't do on it and it offers the more unique experience compared to operating systems you can run on any regular PC.

I don't really know what super special suggestion you think you're going to get, though, it's not a special-purpose piece of hardware, but the design is wonderful and the architecture somewhat exotic enough that it could make a fun general-purpose secondary to keep around. I use my 2.3 DC for development/remote work, email, office and whatever else with web browsing thrown in, it's also the best thing I've got that can run Bernhard Baehr's PDP-8/E simulator, which is the easily the best of its kind. It's also more than usable as a server if you'd like something nice looking to fill that role, the early G5s aren't really that hot.

Whatever you decide, don't bother listening to the morons ITT who think the only worthwhile solution is turning it into some ugly ATX frankenstein because you can't play games or waste away on YouTube with it. It's a shitty case for that job anyway with only two disk bays, four expansion slots and one 5.25'' dedicated optical bay, and the guts are half of the design to begin with.

>> No.66930532

The display is still very nice, matte and high color accuracy for its time. Suffers from some temporary burn in and runs rather warm but it's still a very nice display.

>> No.66930566

It has two half circle burns(?) on the bottom, but it's a nice 16:10 1680x1050 resolution.

>> No.66930595

A G5 without the G5 inside is just an empty aluminum husk, I've never seen a mod that actually does that design justice and so much of what makes them actually special stretches beyond the fashionable cheese grater.

I mean, I'm with >>66930418 in that modding busted systems isn't really that big a deal, but destroying something that still works perfectly fine just because you want a prettier gaming PC to post on Reddit/bst is just stupid and ignorant.

>> No.66930613

That's a bummer. I got a broken one for 20 bucks for my gf (male) when she bought her macbook back in 2013 and repaired it, the panel turned out to be in a perfect condition and she still uses it.

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>Have two of these
>Never tried to run either
>Both need RAM and HDD
>Only one has 9800 Pro
>One of them has severe corrosion
>Neither have batteries
wat do

>> No.66930655

Clean them
Test them

No need for a battery if you keep it plugged in. 9800 Pro is nice, I'm stuck with an FX 5200, can't upgrade to a generic graphics card because then I'll lose the ADC connector.

>> No.66930663

They can take some (a long) time turning on when pressing the power button after a long time being unplugged, I thought mine was dead.

>> No.66930703

I think I remember you, the one with the 9800 Pro was a pretty good factory configuration too. Shouldn’t be too hard to pick up some DDR and a hard disk for that if you’ve got $30-40 laying around.

I’d really like a nice DP 2.0 to throw 10.2 on, early OS X had its flaws but I really liked that transitional phase of Aqua.

>> No.66930728

I got them both for $20. I guess I could try to get a motherboard battery for both and try to sell.

>> No.66930739

Nice, I paid 30 euro for the mac and the screen, they usually go for a lot more here, starting from 50 for just the mac.

>> No.66930740

You can do anything forever. When I was macfag child, I thought if I had 20k cash to buy one such beast I would never have to buy another computer again. I am of course always right.

>> No.66930764

I was macfag child too, now I'm Linux girl.

>> No.66930776

Could part out the corroded one and throw the proceeds into the good one, whether you’re selling or keeping it.

They’re always good to keep around for *nixy shit too, even if you’re running 10.1 or 10.2 on them, not to mention the endless shit you can pull off the Macintosh Garden and run in Classic mode.

>> No.66930790

tits or gtfo, post cunny too

>> No.66930821

Yeah, this. It's the best machine you can get to run classic mac OS software. There is some neat music production software that can still be useful.

>> No.66930850

The corroded one has nothing the other doesn't. I can just get a spare disk and RAM for those.

>> No.66930851

I always forget about audio software, there’s definitely tons of that shit and it’s easy to get, too.

Ricing classic Mac OS with Kaleidoscope is fun too, too bad the G5’s won’t boot OS 9 standalone.

>> No.66930855

>I doubt I'll find 8x 1GB DDR400 DIMMS, in matched pairs, for cheap
It can do 2GB per slot for total of 16, not just 8.

>Same for the CPUs, these will be expensive as well. Too expensive for an old machine like this. Dual 2.5GHz would cost me over a 100 bucks incl. shipping.
It's cheaper to buy a Quad than to upgrade one to Quad, your motherboard can't use that upgrade. It's two time two cores.

>I feel like tiger + gentoo dualboot would be the best option for now.
Leopard and Debian will give you much better support though.

>However what can I use this old tower for aside from space heater?
Being a road warr... cyberspace warrior botnet free.

>> No.66930879

Sure, just figured it was an option to get some funding or more space if you wanted it.
I actually think the DDR ones did max at 1 GB per slot for 8 total, I remember looking into a DP 1.8 of my own and finding that out. The DDR2 ones upped it to 16.

I think they’ll even run 970MP modules too, it’ll just deactivate one of the cores.

>> No.66930882

I have disk and RAM for both. I just need time to get battery and make it work.

>> No.66930887

Do the G5s run the Classic MacOS9 mode app in OS X? I thought it was limited to G4 machines.

>the G5’s won’t boot OS 9 standalone
Is this a limitation of the OpenFirmware or the G5's architecture itself? I heard that the G5 lacks or has incompatible hardware instructions that differ greatly from the G4s and earlier. Is that true?

>> No.66930891

smash it into pieces and throw it into the trash

>> No.66930900

Now everything is RISC. Even modern x86 compadible microarchitectures are very similar to RISC.

No, it was because PowerPC was abandoned by IBM who focused on POWER and Apple didn't want to stick around to wait.
POWER4 (G5) had a 25% higher IPC clock-per-clock than NetBurst (Pentium 4), even though they came out a few months from each other.
POWER4 was pretty much outdated by 2004 when the PowerMac G5's still used it, of course it wasn't competitive anymore. A few years after that things like Cell came on the market that blew everything else away for a while.

POWER still exists and is very competitive, just not used in the consumer market.

>> No.66930915

>I thought they were a meme.
How come? You increase timings and clock rate, you increase voltage for those to work fine, you produce more heat and need heat spreaders.

>> No.66930934

>I actually think the DDR ones did max at 1 GB per slot for 8 total, I remember looking into a DP 1.8 of my own and finding that out. The D
Both do 16GB. I had a DP 1.8 with several 2GB sticks. Apple does not officially support it though.

>> No.66930944

They do but only when you use Tiger. Leopard has no support for it.
Mac OS 9 has no support itself for the PowerMac G5, it can't simply be hacked like on some G4's.

>> No.66930965

I've often wondered why there wasn't a massive reverse engineering effort to do that or to even build an open source clone, like what React OS is to Windows. Surely there would be a somewhat sizable demand from hipsters and people who liked using the OS. I've dug into the boot process a little trying to understand trampoline and the ROM and it's a real clusterfuck, but I don't think that what I'm talking about is impossible.

>> No.66931001

Oh, I get what you mean now, good shit.
I’m pretty sure the earlier models support Classic mode, just not direct booting. My DC model doesn’t even have the option to install it for some reason, but I haven’t looked into it much to see if it just needs to be configured for it.

I honestly don’t know much about the specifics on OS 9 support for the G5’s since I’ve never looked too much into it (I’ve got some G4s and G3s too and tend to just dedicate the G5s to OS X) but I think it’s just a lack of necessary architecture support or even just artificial limitation to encourage users to migrate. Don’t think the G5 has any real compatibility issues with G4 and earlier software based on how Classic mode works, but I could be wrong.
Maybe just a cultural difference with the user base I guess, still plenty of old Macs to go around and decent emulation for those who want to mess with it, not to mention it would probably be a mess to work with, at least NT is somewhat more modern in its design.

>> No.66931015

I bet it's full of dust

>> No.66931058

Install MorphOS. Have fun with an amiga-like desktop.

>> No.66931095

Just look at it.
It's a beautiful machine. it was back when apple made machines that were not only pretty to look at, but also practical.

Why did they have to bring out the fucking trashcan in the exact year I could have finally afforded a Mac Pro?

>> No.66931107

MorphOS cost money and there isn't much software for it, I heard only a small collection of original Amiga software works on it.

>> No.66931110

Is there much in the way of applications for it, like through a compatibility later or native development?

>> No.66931116

Guess this answers my question.

>> No.66931185

Should be enough to have things to do, and there are ports of games newer than the amiga. No idea about the compatibility layer, since I've never had a PPC Mac or compatible hardware like the Pegasos boards, so could never run MorphOS myself.

>> No.66931326

it might run mpeg2 at 1080i

>> No.66931355

good G5s can usually handle 1080p fine with a dedicated player

>> No.66931366

I have no problems with 720p and 1080p h264/x264 on a 2.0 DP

>> No.66931405

How realistic is it to retrofit the G5 (aka sexiest case of all time) with modern components? I heard that all the connectors and screw locations are nonstandard.

>> No.66931415

If you have the right tools, not hard.

>> No.66931745 [DELETED] 

Upgrade it and give it a purpose again maybe even as your daily driver.

>> No.66931791

That's a Mac Pro, you can make that a 12 core Xeon with 1080 Ti, 128GB RAM and NVMe SSDs, a complete different system from the Power Mac G5 we're discussing.

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I like the portable version!

>> No.66931825

Neat, I used to have a 12" iBook G4, 1.33GHz

>> No.66931862

iBooks are cute, I have one too.
It's nice to see Apple hardware that was actually well made and felt "premium" and not just like a toy.

>> No.66931886

I really want a 12" PowerBook or iBook again, but they're too expensive to just buy them for nostalgia and collecting.

>> No.66931898

Yeah, just keep your eyes open, I wanted one for a few years but didn't buy one until I saw a nice deal.

>> No.66931927

make it fly like a G6

>> No.66931935

What would you say is a good deal for a 12" Powerbook G4 1.33GHz, 1,25GB RAM?

>> No.66931948

throw it away, it's not worth a second of electricity

>> No.66931955

About $10 for your time to take it to a dumpster

>> No.66931976

You aren't worth a breath of oxygen either, now I am not telling you to kys either. I can perfectly judge if a classic piece of computer hardware is worth keeping and putting it to use or not. Yes it uses a lot of power, but so does gaming and mining for cryptocurencies.

>> No.66931978

Drill a hole in the case and make sweet love to the beauty of Apple's space-age design.

Then install gentoo.

>> No.66931985

I guess it's pretty personal, depending on how much it's worth to you. I paid 35€ for the one in the picture, but it's a 15" one in excellent condition and battery that lasts still a hour on use. I did bargain it down a little from the original price also.

>> No.66932004

That's a good deal, the cheapest PowerBooks/iBooks I can find start at 75 euro.

>> No.66932028

Yeah that's a little bit too harsh of a price for something like that. I've seen actual Quad G5's go for less.

>> No.66932871

Find hipster to sell it to. Paint is as a poor man's Talos.

>> No.66932877

Any Athlon 64 X2 will be better.

>> No.66932931

>A few years after that things like Cell came on the market that blew everything else away for a while.
BS. Cell was pretty much a GPGPU-level sort of speciality accelerator. As a CPU it absolutely sucked balls. Think in-order Atom-like performance. Single core.

>> No.66932934

Found three of these in a dumpster. They should have stayed there.

>> No.66932959

I would take them. Not fan of Apple, but nice to poke around in such stuff. I guess you live in a good place dumpster-wise.

>> No.66932966

I took them. The cooling loops had blown and destroyed the CPUs and motherboards. They're currently being gutted.

>> No.66932980

Still higher IPC than Pentium 4. It's real power came out when you also utilized the SPEs. Not just the multithreaded POWER PPE.
Cell was not only in use in the Playstation you know, it's sister was used in the Xbox 360, that was more focused on the CPU part of design, as the PS3 version of the Cell was supposed to be also a GPU replacement.
Cell was used for years afterwards by IBM themselves and got several upgrades.

>> No.66933001

>it's sister was used in the Xbox 360, that was more focused on the CPU part of design
Xb360 had three cores with SMT, basically three times the singlecore from Cell. And yeah, that was generally a better idea because programming Cell was terrible and without SPEs it only had one SMTed core.

Of course, later parts with more SPEs and better CPu core (two even) were better, but it was still a dead end. Toshiba who also participated on it never reallly found a good use for it either.

>> No.66933361

Debian Sid from Debian Ports is probably the easiest and best option for general use. I use it on a G4 iBook and it works great. On there, you can use Firefox 52, which might be a little slow, or you could try your luck with browsers based on WebKit1GTK2, WebKit2GTK3 or QtWebKit 5.

For me on 32-bit powerpc (you would be using ppc64 Debian), WebKit1GTK2 works by far the best of any browser engine, but of course is a little outdated and probably full of vulnerabilities, but can still handle some modern web pages. Luakit is the WebKit 1 browser I use. If you want to try WebKit 2 (which is supported and safe and up to date), then you could try surf, but that doesn't seem to work for me, but might be worth trying on ppc64. If you want to try QtWebKit 5, then you could try Arora or qutebrowser-qtwebkit. These seem to crash for me though. Of course your other options would be NetSurf and dillo, which are fine for browsing simple web pages without JavaScript.

If you want to run OS X Leopard (newest OS X which will run on that), then you have the option of a couple much more up to date and fast web browsers. The most popular is TenFourFox, which is a fork of Firefox with custom PowerPC Altivec optimizations. This is a little slow on my iBook G4 on some sites but generally very fast and usable for most websites, but the G5 version should be a lot faster.

Your other browser option for Leopard, which is perhaps my favourite, is "leopard-webkit", which is a modern up to date build of the WebKit2 engine which replaces that of the old version of Safari from Leopard. This is pretty fast and usable for most things and works nicely with modern web applications and I'd imagine would run great on a G5.

If you want x86 emulation, then Virtual PC would be the best option (not bothered getting some cracked licence for it), but apparently that's actually better on the G4 than the G5 because the G4 has some bi-endianness features. Also there's qemu on Linux.

>> No.66933683

guuuys what do i do with a computer

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>>66933361 (cont.)
If you use OS X Leopard, then you can install Tigerbrew, which is a port of Homebrew for PowerPC Tiger / Leopard. When I tried this, it was painfully slow just to build one package (took 45 minutes to build p7zip), but it might be better on a G5. Probably the best way to get some up to date software for Leopard though. But you might not need to bother with that when you can do most stuff on Debian, which has binary packages of up to date GCC 8.1 and Clang 6 (and even Clang 7).

If you want to run Java programs, your best bet is using JamVM on Linux (a JIT VM which supports PowerPC). Right now there's a icedtea-7-jre-jamvm package for powerpc (unsure about ppc64 though) so you can do `java -jamvm something.jar` if you use Java 7. Debian includes packages all the way from Java 7 to Java 11 so you've got a lot of options, but all besides JamVM are fully interpreted and kind of slow.

If you want to play games, there are a few old games that used to support PowerPC OS X (a few first person shooters and stuff like that). On Debian, you can run DOOM which runs pretty flawlessly. OpenArena should in theory work but didn't seem to for me. SuperTuxKart does not work on big-endian at all any more. If you like game console emulators, snes9x built from source with -mcpu=native works very nicely for the SNES, and mednafen (debian package) works nicely for the NES. Apparently mednafen supports more consoles than just the NES but I've not tried these. Perhaps things are different on the G5, but on my G4, mednafen was the only NES emulator which could run smoothly. There are probably way more game-related things you can do on your G5 but I'm not very knowledgeable about games.

>> No.66933789

Older versions of Minecraft run.

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Into the trash it goes.

>> No.66933837

Oh that sounds pretty cool. Which versions in particular? Pre-survival Minecraft? Which JVM have you used to run it?

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>nice working system

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Back to
and take your manchild fruit toys with you.

>> No.66933871

Ha just realized I wrote "up to date GCC 8.1" while in the process of updating to GCC 8.2 in the background.

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>> No.66933921

It's 1.5.2, but it's patched to work.
I've tried it on the latest Java for Leopard, aka 1.5. Newer versions might run on newer Java on Linux.

I can share the files if you want, they aren't that big.

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>i use macs

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>manchildren playing manchildren gaymes on manchildren fruit toys
Like pottery.

>> No.66933968

where did steve jobs touch you

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>> No.66933981

Sounds cool. Send it. Is it just Minecraft 1.5.2 patched to not need to authenticate with their servers?

>> No.66934007 [DELETED] 

>muh ancient cum encrust mac for playing minecraft
Back to >>>/v/ >>>/lgbt/ manchild.

>> No.66934010

I use a Thinkpad. But you didn't bother reading the thread.

>> No.66934084

Yes but sush. Private servers and single player work fine.

Okay, lets see...
This is the data: https://my.mixtape.moe/vzdcse.zip
If you run it under OS X, it goes into ~/Library/Application Support/[the folder inside the zip]
This is the binary for OS X: https://my.mixtape.moe/oaehhn.zip
You can use Automator to open it and change the name.

If you run it under Linux, I think it should go into ~/.minecraft (the content of the folder in that zip file that is).
And to launch you need: https://pastebin.com/HDvMsyE4
You might need Linux specific libraries in the "natives" folder, but if you google the library names, you can easily find the sources to build those or even ready compiled binaries.

Have fun and ignore the retards.

>> No.66934105 [DELETED] 

You have to go back /v/irgin. >>>/v/

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>muh gaymes
>muh apel

>> No.66934351

Personally I couldn't care less for Apple and I'm not a fan of OS X. I just think it's cool to get lots of modern software running on a big-endian PowerPC laptop from 2005. It's a pretty comfy little machine and performs better than some newer laptops I have. Also the keyboard is great to type on, besides the weird layout. A lot of older Apple hardware was not bad at all.

>> No.66934387 [DELETED] 

See >>66933863

>> No.66934412

>big-endian PowerPC

>> No.66934661

>underage autist thinks nu-apple thin macbook shit was all of apple's legacy
Please go back

>> No.66934929

Sleeper PC with xeons, ram and storage out the ass.

>> No.66935019

I work on a shipping dock and someone out there is still shipping these things in droves. 6 foot high pallets stacked with these things with two pathetic layers of wrapping so they're always on the verge of falling by the time I see them. They put stickers on them saying they're high priority so I doubt they're getting scrapped.

>> No.66935111

atleast he isn't a thinkpad manchild who poses with his 12 year old laptop with shitty linux arch

>> No.66935152


>> No.66935564

Always been like that.Through all my 12 years of having mac stuff in my home, I've always been getting shitty comments from people that think they know exactly what I should use (what they like to use), without ever considering what I like and how I use it. Never once considered that I might actually have thought things through and ended up with a 2006/2008 Macbook as the most interesting and suitable option for me, or in later years a 2011 Mac mini. These machines have served me well.

They weren't even that expensive when compared to similar machines.

Shame Apple hasn't done a decent update for their Mac Pro and Mac mini in ages. They're the only ones I'd be interested in these days.

>> No.66935622

You should've been

>> No.66935674

You got problems

>> No.66936355

This. Found a G5 but the system was DOA so I replaced the motherboard tray and got a fantastic case with a 1080Ti and a 8700k.

>> No.66937207

Lick it

>> No.66938331

the ones with problems are the ones ITT who can't appreciate a computer as anything other than a gaming toy Tbh

>> No.66938344 [DELETED] 

Take it to /lgbt/ where it belongs.

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If you want GNU/Linux on that thing you'll need to change the GPU, novidya cards don't get acceleration on PPC since KMS was implemented.
>inmediately after I bought a couple iBook G4s for €15 their price started rising
Feels good mang
I want to *ug that PowaBjook

>> No.66938641 [DELETED] 

i wanna fug usagi

>> No.66938669 [DELETED] 


>> No.66940060

do >>66930274 and hackintosh it

>> No.66940076 [DELETED] 

consumerist toddlers gtfo

>> No.66940085 [DELETED] 


>> No.66940976

why waste your time when you could just buy a Mac Pro with a better version of the same case

I hate hipsters

>> No.66940992

>being this gay
Why would OP do such a stupid thing? Because it doesn't have Israeli backdoors? You're lucky this isn't real life, such a stupid comment could get you shivved.

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>>being this gay

>> No.66941345

Three envious MS fans standing outside an Apple Store.

>> No.66942160

I can't change he GPU since it got the ADC connector for the screen I got, I would lose the ability to use the screen when upgrading to a generic, newer AGP graphics card. And getting an official Apple card isn't an option.

>> No.66942167 [DELETED] 

Found your problem.

>> No.66942262 [DELETED] 

This is not about using macfag stuff, this is about using a classic computer, from a time when they could actually make some good hardware. But you obviously can't remember that time. I don't blame you, it's a very long time ago.

>> No.66942284

Don’t respond to the troll. Hide and report.

>> No.66942292

How is anon a troll? Mac has always had bad hardware, look back at the mac 3 for examples.

>> No.66942298

Mac 3?

>> No.66942315

I meant apple 3, but all of it blurs together after a long history of shit.

>> No.66942335

That's a long time ago. I was referring to PPC, imo it was pretty good back in the 90s/begin 00s.
I always wanted an iMac G3 when I was a kid but those were too expensive.

>> No.66942373

I don't think it's changed much, it's a constant issue that mac has had since then, though they were showing promise in those days, I wonder how everyone from the 90s would act if they could see apple now...

>> No.66942434

Could be, I have only owned an iBook G4 1.33GHz (production date january 2006) and a Power Mac G5 2.0GHz DP (and now this 1.8GHz) and I never had any single problems with them.

>> No.66942477


>> No.66942793

Because it’s always one guy spamming this anti-Apple bullshit until the thread is derailed. He’s been banned for it too but that’s not much of a barrier.

>> No.66942823

Even if 90s/00s Apple is complete shit, that's not the point of this thread.

>> No.66943040

>it's a constant issue that mac has had since then
What the fuck are you even babbling about? The problems that afflicted the /// and their root causes did not repeat at all with later and completely unrelated systems.

What's with all the dipshits that flood these threads and just regurgitate garbage they barely read out of listicles trying to pretend they actually know barely anything about what they're talking about? Are you new here or something and think it'll help you fit in?

>> No.66943314

They've always had motherboard issues, are you this fucking retarded? Also calling someone new here while using that shit reddit spacing really shows your nose CIA nigger.

>> No.66943400

The Apple ///'s fault was poor cooling, not the mainboard you fucking idiot. The system architecture itself was fine, just Jobs' insistence on omitting a fan caused the temperatures to get so high that the thing would warp and pop chips out of the sockets.

There's nothing afterwards that even came close to matching that fuck-up in severity, the worst you get on 68k/PPC Macs is bad caps from shit quality control or leaky batteries, not unlike a lot of other systems of that time.

>> No.66943498

Hardest thing to find are usually the mobo riser screws. People have had good luck doing conversions using the plastic fuckers that snap in on one side and are threaded on the other. Good thing about those is also that even if you crossthread the mobo screws, you can still get them out.

>> No.66943546

>people actually think 6502, m68k and PPC Apple hardware had the same flaws than late 2000's and early 2010's Intel shit
There's a reason why the Apple III gets bought up at times like this, because there's nothing else to point at.

>> No.66944343

These threads are always loaded with idiots who just want to shitpost/argue but don’t know shit about what they’re actually arguing about.

Brand war sheep make my fucking head hurt with all the dumb shit coming out of their keyboards.

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>fruity toddler toy
Pick one.

>> No.66944549

Does it run? Sell the guts. Somebody out there will buy them to put in a non-working machine.
The machine I got was very dead because the liquid cooling (which was a modified car radiator) sprang a leak and fried everything inside.

Then mod the case (non-destructively) to fit a mini ATX motherboard in there. It's quite simple:
Get a dremel, cut out right around where the IO plate is.
Use some pliers and snap off the standoffs inside the case.
Make a cardboard template from the mATX motherboard
Use the template to mark positions for the standoffs
Re-attach the standoffs in the correct position using JB-Weld

Wire up the front panel using some guides you can find online. I'd recommend skipping the FireWire port as it causes more headache than it's worth.

Get some large diameter, quiet case fans and put them in appropriate places using JB-Quick.

Boom, modern PC in the G5 case, with minimal damage to the look.
The only improvement I have yet to do is make a custom IO plate. I figure if I took the time to CAD one I could get it printed by some company online.

>> No.66944779

>I wonder how everyone in the 90s would act if they could see apple now
We can still it tho.

>> No.66944923

Nice, I have a powerbook g4 1.67 DLSD/HR version.
I also bought a ide to mpcie adapter and a pretty decent ssd.
It actually runs pretty damn good, but I haven't touched it in 3 years, I have Debian on it and I remember I got minecraft at the time to play on it at an actually usable 12fps.

>> No.66945256

Rip it and put a good pc in the case bc the case is kinda sexy

>> No.66945366

Multi-boot Mac OS X Tiger, Leopard, and OpenBSD. Use it for oldish games like Sims 2, Pro Skater, Doom 3, etc. and other old Mac OS and OS X software.

It's socketed memory in a 15 year old computer, just because it's there doesn't mean Apple put it there.

2GB DDR modules don't exist. Only the late 2005 models use DDR2 memory and the base model's clock is 2GHz.

Not for running PowerPC Mac OS X or OS X in general.

You could get an ATi card with ADC.

Apple had a special connector in front of the AGP slot that delivered 25W and data to the GPU, from the ADC connector you get DVI, USB, and power.

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>it's a mactoddler manchild thinks his toddler toys belong on /g/ episode

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Retro computers 100% belong on /g/
>Inb4 2005 ISN'T RETRO

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>fruity toddler toys
Pick one.

>> No.66945600

>it's not a computer because it's from a company I don't like

>> No.66945674
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>A device thst is running Debian GNU/Linux isn't a computer

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>it's a computer because i said so even though the company that made it goes out of its way to claim it's not a computer, because it's actually a toy

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>it can run linux so it's not a toy
Ok iToddler.

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>argues about technology made by a company in 2005 by giving examples made by the company in the current year

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>good computers are retroactively trash because the company isn't what it used to be

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>good computers
Pick one.

>> No.66945745

JFC when will you learn?

>> No.66945756

I've learned long ago, I still jump in now and then to shit on a middle schooler

>> No.66945760

They are paid by Apple to shit on Mac to make non-Apple users look dumb. Not even making this shit up, this fiasco was actually proven a year ago.

>> No.66945770 [DELETED] 

>everyone i don't like is one person
>t. assblasted mactoddler

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>2GB DDR modules don't exist.
What braindead village are you from?

>> No.66945791

If it's not one person then it's multiple people who post very similarly and use the same images constantly.

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>it's a mactoddler thinks his fruit toys belong on /g/ episode

>> No.66945826

>or OS X in general.
Athlon 64 X2 ran OS X just fine, after Chimera bootloaders you didn't even need a patched kernel.

>> No.66945832 [DELETED] 

I don't pass up a good moment to catch some free (you)s.
For what it's worth, I was stopping anyway

>> No.66945844

Huh, I could've sworn DDR capped at 1GB

Neat, I thought AMD was always problematic with OS X

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*breathes wrong in the same room as a mac*

>> No.66945859

>Huh, I could've sworn DDR capped at 1GB
IIRC you need to manually edit the nvram (or might have even been the firmware) with a hex editor for DDR G5's to accept 16GB.

>> No.66945874

>muh exaggerations

>> No.66945887

I wonder if thst would work on power books to get them to boot with 4GB?

>> No.66945893

>have to mod firmware to make macshit accept standard ram
The state of mactoddlers.

>> No.66945928

I wouldn't hope so though, the G4 based machines where slightly different, th G5 utilized everything in software, like having a special controller to initialize them system. That's why the G5 is harder to overclock also.
But maybe a firmware based mod is possible on them also.

>> No.66945931

Sauce? I think I vaguely remember that .

>> No.66945939

>uncomfortable truths i don't like to face are exaggerations

>> No.66945954

While it is anecdotal, I've spent years using OS X and rarely encountered the pinwheel

>> No.66945957

use the case for a beast hackintosh

>> No.66945965
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>it never happened to me so it never happened to anyone!

>> No.66945966

I don't really want to talk about it, last time I got banned.

>> No.66945977

Why are you people replying to bait?

>> No.66945986

>muh damage control

>> No.66945988

Gentoo "werks" with PPC64, but you will have difficultly compiling Firefox and Chromium. You might be better off with one of the BSDs.

>> No.66945998
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I really want a liquid cooled quad G5 top of the line spec, but I'm pretty sure it's past the bottoming out on price and they never got cheap enough for a "just because" purchase.

>> No.66946011

You're inhaling it wrong.

>> No.66946016

The problem isn't even price, I see them for 70€ in good condition, but nobody ships them, it's only lock pickup.
Nowadays you might as well go for a Talos II board with CPUs (lite).

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>trusting Appjeet "engineers" with liquid cooling

>> No.66946044

The ppc life is the compile everything from source life. I was able to do it 3 years ago, but I'm guessing a lots changed?

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As beautiful as those G5 powermacs were, they are absolutely useless and obsolete now.

Nobody bothers writing shit for PPC (except those fringe Lunix projects), it shits out more heat than an open oven, it sounds like a jet engine on idle, the watercooling systems are maybe 15 years old by now which can’t be good, and it weighs as much as a crushed car.

Trade it for a G4 Mac Mini if you really want to be that retro tofu guy and maybe run Oregon Trail.

>> No.66946057

>t. neckbeard freetard

>> No.66946062 [DELETED] 

>they are absolutely useless and obsolete now.

>> No.66946065

Oh I wasnt going to actually use it. Just to dick around with for a few days and then collect dust.
And yeah, shipping is retarded.

>> No.66946078 [DELETED] 

>t. assblasted mactoddler

>> No.66946087

You might be able to do it today with the right flags, but I don't know what they would be and they're not there by default in PPC Gentoo. Even Gentoo developers admit PPC/64/EL is being neglected because there simply isn't enough interest.

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Says the guy who flashes the latest pajeet version of Gold Edition Cyanogen Android ROM on his shitty ChingChong smartphone because the manufacturer can’t officially update it further than a few useless security updates.

>> No.66946099

A lot of things still compile on PPC.
Thanks to Talos this is also increasing.

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>says the iToddler who """""updates"""" his pajeetOS lagPhone with lagOS malware that bricks the lagPhone every year

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Do you even know who the CEO of Apple was?

>> No.66946165

OK I at least support this shitpost.

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>useless security updates.

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>I also bought a ide to mpcie adapter and a pretty decent ssd.
How about 44-pin PATA to mSATA to M.2 SATA?

>an actually usable 12fps.
I'm getting 30 FPS on that in full screen using OS X with Minecraft 1.5.2, also 10% OC on the 9700 (128MB).

>> No.66946276 [DELETED] 

lagdroid is trash for teenager losers

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>manchildren playing manchildren gaymes on manchildren fruit toys
Like pottery.

>> No.66946411

I'm like 85% sure there's no point going farther then msata besides availability and lifespan.
And huh, i may have to retest it. How did you get a late enough Java version on osx?

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>> No.66946480

Tiger will give OP Classic Mode, which greatly increases the amount of legacy software one can run. Leopard is bloated and offered very few actual improvements over Tiger.
Any PPC machine that can run Tiger or lower will do Classic. Leopard dropped Classic Mode altogether, regardless of CPU architecture.

>> No.66946494

Run a copycat of 2ch on it

>> No.66946503

The Apple III isn't a Mac.

>> No.66946508 [DELETED] 

Mactoddlers will defend this.

>> No.66946522 [DELETED] 

Found your problem.

>> No.66946523

>I'm like 85% sure there's no point going farther then msata besides availability and lifespan.
Of course, I just had a SATA based M.2 SSD laying around.

>How did you get a late enough Java version on osx?
It's the last supported Java on Leopard.

>> No.66946542

Literally not a Mac

>> No.66946565 [DELETED] 

Found your problem.

>> No.66946584

>Tiger will give OP Classic Mode, which greatly increases the amount of legacy software one can run. Leopard is bloated and offered very few actual improvements over Tiger.
Yes and no. Leopard will give access to slightly newer software and OSS tools. Leopard also is slightly better optimized for multiple cores, can't really see a difference between Tiger and Leopard running from an SSD on my G5.
So this depends what you want to do. If you want to go classic, you should buy a MDD, absolute best you can do for OS 9. G5 with Tiger is probably the second best option.

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>having to reply to your own bait because nobody else does

>> No.66946620

Oh I also forgot, that version posted here has OptiForge, it increases performance in MC quite a bit over vanilla.

>> No.66946627 [DELETED] 

Manchildren fruit fags do not belong on /g/.

>> No.66946714

>Java 1.5
Ew. Yeah I was running icedtea7. Could be why I was having less performance, but it can run the latest version probably.
I'm pretty sure I was using optifine when I was testing

>> No.66946744

>crying to mommy because your feefees got hurt
>she tells you to fuck off

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>post pre-school quality bait
>people actually reply to it

>> No.66946782

Fair enough. I've just always been a big Tiger fan. Worth noting that the G4 mini can natively boot OS 9 now too, thanks to some clever OS 9 obsessives.

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>post toddler toy thread
>toddlers reply to it

>> No.66946990

>Youtube works though, limited to 360p in the HTML5 player and choppy video

I really wonder why this is the case. I have a 2.0 GHz Power Mac G5 (dual processor model) which I actually got for free back in 2011. My richfag roommate at the time was moving out and left the computer behind because it was "dead". Turns out it was just a dead hard drive, so once I replaced that and installed Leopard, I had an amazingly capable computer. 720p video was no problem, and it could easily do old Youtube at 360p. But over the years, I've noticed that it became a lot more sluggish with what were supposedly the same web-based tasks. Youtube was the worst for this- went from buttery smooth playback to just a jarring, frame-dropping piece of shit. I can understand how the PowerPC can be left behind as new features are added, but what I don't get is how it can perform so poorly doing the SAME FUCKING THING.

>space heater
If you run these under load for a while, they do legitimately make decent space heaters. When I used my G5 for video editing, my room was noticeably warmer than the rest of the house in winter.

Don't bother using a G5 for Mac OS 9, you're limited to using Classic Mode (and only if you have Tiger or below). If you want a dedicated OS 9 Mac, your G4 would honestly be the best option.

Second this for 720p, but I get frame drops on 1080p depending on the type of content (anime is fine, frame drops do occur but rarely, live-action causes issues)

>> No.66947011

New codecs. Software decoding of them, specially in browsers, is very heavy, while every other semi modern piece of hardware has hardware acceleration for specific codes.

>> No.66947017 [DELETED] 

>I don't get is how it can perform so poorly doing the SAME FUCKING THING.
Found your problem.

>> No.66947026

>dubious claims of employment and heterosexuality
*sweating man with a million towels profusely wiping sweat of his forehead*

>> No.66947085

Sweat of his forehead or sweat off his forehead?
>wiping sweat of his forehead off his forehead

>> No.66947103

really made me think

>> No.66947159

Hadn't thought of that, actually, but I can see how that could be the case. I guess the G5 would more or less be at its limit trying to decode that video in real time.

Go do your homework.

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he's stuck in an infinite loop, someone say a logical paradox out loud

>> No.66947247 [DELETED] 

>muh gaymes
>mug apel
Back to
with you manchild.

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A 9600 is about half the price, but still not worth the money.

>> No.66947738

If you need it because ADC, you can just take the ADC power separately and flash a PC card to work with the Mac.

>> No.66947749

Fuck I forgot how expensive old Apple GPUs are. For that price you could probably find a G5 with that GPU installed

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>> No.66947832


Those ADC adapters are at least 50 bucks, same for a high end AGP card. It's just not worth it.

>> No.66947853

You can't splice cables?

>same for a high end AGP card
PC compatible 9800 Pros go for 15 yuro.
It's cheap as fuck to play around with those old hunks of metal.

>> No.66947860

>t. assblasted mactoddler

>> No.66947869

He’s definitely a paid troll

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>> No.66947957

Do you even need to flash the card? iirc with Intel Macs as long as you don't need the firmware to support graphics you can use any PC card OS X has drivers for. I'd imagine PowerPC ones are the same way.

>> No.66947978 [DELETED] 

Found your problem.

>> No.66947982 [DELETED] 

No, BIOS on the card does not run on PowerPC processors. Open Firmware had no idea how to initialize the card without PowerPC specific BIOS/Firmware code on them. There's a workaround with Linux, but that still needs a PPC Mac compatible card for booting and is limited to only a few specific cards and AMD open drivers.

>> No.66947995

No, BIOS on the card does not run on PowerPC processors. Open Firmware has no idea how to initialize the card without PowerPC specific BIOS/Firmware code on them. There's a workaround with Linux, but that still needs a PPC Mac compatible card for booting and is limited to only a few specific cards and AMD open drivers.

>> No.66948008

see >>66947978

>> No.66948009

I wouldn't know where to get this kind of stuff other than eBay or the regional craigslist alternative.

>> No.66948027

>need to use pc hardware to make macintrash functional

>> No.66948035

True, we have local sales and auction sites here where this kind of old scrap goes for pennies.

>> No.66948071


PPC is obsolete......

>> No.66948075

Wrong board. >>>/lgbt/

>> No.66948096

G5 is based on POWER4 PowerISA.
PowerISA is still very much alive.

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At least it can be made functional, unlike your autism, which will never be functional. Please sir, do the needful.

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>> No.66948227

Even if it was, so what?

>> No.66948242

This is a consumerist board, sir, please refrain from discussing obsolete technology that is unprofitable for first hand companies and creators. Thank you, sir.

>> No.66948245

Sell it to retards for hundreds of dollars

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>> No.66949301

Space Heater

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Also, most software didn't take advantage of Altivec (Velocity Engine, whatever you wanna call it). It's like using PC software that doesn't use SSE/MMX instructions.

Regarding YouTube, they moved from Flash (which had better performance) to HTML5 video (which didn't have much optimization).

Nowadays you can get decent performance out of the TenFourFox browser. There's also the QuickTime Enabler which allows you to send the video to the QuickTime Player which has even more optimizations (and can probably do 720 full screen just fine).

I daily drive a Quad G5 just cause it's comfy.

>> No.66949706

Live in the past

>> No.66949725

I'm under the impression that if you use a graphics card that doesn't support Open Firmware, the only thing you'll be missing is video on bootup. Once the OS takes over it'll see the card as a GPU and if it has drivers for it, it'll get working.

It should be the same for those PCIe SSDs. You can't boot from them (due to the cards lacking Open Firmware support), but once you're booted OS X will work with them just fine.

>> No.66949752

>Don't bother using a G5 for Mac OS 9
Oh, I don't. I do that on my older G3s and G4s, usually I'll just set them up with whatever operating system they shipped with originally.
Sounds like an ugly mess in the making and way more trouble than it's worth if you want to do it right.
Meaningless term.

>> No.66949759

Cannabilize case for ryzen build
sell guts on ebay
an hero

>> No.66949826

Yeah, JavaScript beats the shit out of PPC machines. Install NoScript, uBlock, or something. Hell, disable JavaScript entirely if you wanna go back in time.

Apple never wrote any MacOS 9 boot code for G5 systems. The G4s were fast enough, MacOS 9 itself didn't make use of multi-CPUs, and Apple wanted users to buy the new shiny OS X. I use SheepShaver for MacOS 9 support on my G5. It's not as great as Classic, but it functions.

>> No.66949857

Is that liquid cooled? And if so, how is it holding up?

>> No.66949926

Yes, all of the final generation of G5s are liquid cooled. The final generation is the only one that used dual-core processors. They also have an improved liquid cooling system.

I have no idea if my liquid cooling is okay. The only way I see to get to the liquid cooling system is to remove the G5 plastic cover, and there doesn't seem to be a non-destructive way to do that. And I like that plastic covering. :/

I've only had the system for a little over a year (to replace a dead first gen G5 2.0). Other than slightly better YouTube performance, I haven't noticed anything different (I pulled the boot drive from the old 2.0 and stuck it in the Quad).

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Back to /r/eddit mactoddler.

>> No.66950021

>Yes, all of the final generation of G5s are liquid cooled
The lower-end models are actually all air-cooled, though I think my 2.3 could benefit from a system like that. I think the general rule was that anything 2.5 GHz and up got liquid cooled while everything else ran on air.

I found this a while ago when I was looking around on G5 maintenance/reliability, maybe you'd find it interesting:

The Quad's supposedly pretty good and the problems that plagued the old 2.5 and 2.7 flagships seem to have been fixed in it apparently, the bigger deal seems to just be the thermal paste drying up over time and unfortunately the only way to fix that is removing the plastic which usually breaks the pins (though you can apparently still put it on fine, it will just be easier to take off in the future)

I'm just paraphrasing from that link at this point though, I haven't come across any liquid cooled systems personally. I'd really like a 2.7 even though the reliability is supposed to be fucking terrible.
God, just shut the fuck up already or get a trip so I can filter you.

>> No.66950088 [DELETED] 

God, just shut the fuck up already or fuck off back to rebbit so people don't have to listen to you gay circlejerking over your dead syrian's cultist fruit shit.

>> No.66950133

>>I think the general rule was that anything 2.5 GHz and up got liquid cooled while everything else ran on air.

Looks like you're right about that and my memory is wrong.

I read the TenFourFox blog posts, and I've already seen this. I did do a mobo swap on the old 2.0 machine, complete with thermal calibration before I ever saw that article.

Ignore the hater. He has no reason to be in this thread at all except to troll you.

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>> No.66950186

Nice, I was originally gonna link it to the guy who asked you. I only recently noticed the blog even though I've used TFF for a while, it's definitely got some good shit on it.

How was the swap on the 2.0 then, did the plastic cover still look alright after or is that busted pin really noticeable? I think my 2.3 needs to be totally repasted but I'm in the same boat as you, that little bit of detail is probably one of my favorite parts of the system, too.

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Wrong board.

>> No.66950339

>>How was the swap on the 2.0 then, did the plastic cover still look alright after or is that busted pin really noticeable?
IIRC the first gen 2.0 cover was designed to be removable. There was no issue putting the cover back on the CPUs.

>> No.66950459

we aren't freebsd fags, its all right, you can say "hug" here

>> No.66950870

Add an SSD and you use it as an Xubuntu Machine.

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Guy who bought 34 G5s in one bulk purchase here
Let me just say, there were quads with leaks. 2.7s have the best liquid cooling system if you were lucky enough to get the Panasonic Vapour Chambers.

Quads support up to 64 GBs of DDR2 RAM using CHUD to manually allocate it. Dunno about the others

The plastic pin was a warranty pin by Apple
good luck removing that shit without scratching the top

If anyone was able to install Gentoo, let me know. I couldn't do it kek

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>> No.66951437

>2.7s have the best liquid cooling system if you were lucky enough to get the Panasonic Vapour Chambers.
Interesting, never read anything good about the 2.7s before. Maybe I won't give up on finding one some day.

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>the absolute state of macshit """""""""""""engineering""""""""

>> No.66951564

I have 4 2.7s all with the Panasonic LCS, and it is nice, although I purchased them separately.
Out of the Quads, one was thrashed, while out of the other two, both do not appear to have leaks

>> No.66951575

The fuck happened to this thing? I have an early-08 Mac Pro and nothing like this has happened.

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leaking Delphi coolers. None of the Mac Pros had this issue
basically desu. You can thank General Motors for that leaky radiator. Delphi is a subsidiary of GM kek
But actually, Apple should have stuck with Panasonic as soon as the 2.5 DP leaks were known

>> No.66951622

Wait, some PowerMacs had state change coolers?

>> No.66951640

gut it and build a modern system

>> No.66951649

bruh keep us updated on that that sounds like a nice project, wanted to do something similar a while back

>> No.66951690

listen OP, install leopard. you can play unreal tournament 2004, and warcraft 3 maxed out. plenty of fuckin awesome games from back then.

>> No.66951936 [DELETED] 

>muh gaymes
Back to >>>/v/ mactoddler.

>> No.66951949

you're still here? Sad life.

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I believe so. The 2.7 Panasonic coolers had no rubber tubing. I can't seem to find the source that I remember stated that the Panasonic coolers were vapor chambers though, so it could be misinformation

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This seems to be the only image I can find of the Panasonic coolers

>> No.66953022

well, without any mocking, it IS just junk....

>> No.66953064 [DELETED] 

>throw away gay shit
>being gay
Pick one.

>> No.66954060

>Also, most software didn't take advantage of Altivec (Velocity Engine, whatever you wanna call it).
Almost anything graphics intensive did that was made after the early 2000's.

>> No.66954103

It's not that simple. Storage devices are much simpler because they do only need their firmware to boot, rest is driver controlled. Video cards need their BIOS to initialize properly, otherwise the driver itself can't hook to the card.

As I said, there are ways to actually do this, for example with Linux and PCIe G5's, you can have a second PCIe card in it and with driver patches actually use it, but you still need a primary card to boot up with.

>> No.66954124

>Sounds like an ugly mess in the making and way more trouble than it's worth if you want to do it right.
How else do you have fun with these things? Modding hardware, flashing cards, overclocking, porting and compiling modern software, testing upgrade options, etc.
Otherwise you might as well buy a Pi if you want a cheap RISC platform and still have more performance.

>> No.66954890

spreaders are not a meme, all higher clock rams and ram that you can OC have spreaders. for a reason. the sticks can get quite crispy.
I have a GPU that turns off fans at low temps, so I just put a very low-RPM, very quiet 12CM over the card and above it, so it barely ever turns on, yet the components on mobo get airflow

>> No.66954989

>Not for running PowerPC Mac OS X or OS X in general.
No reason to. Obsolete, has not seen security updates for 10 years, can't even browse internet properly (yeah, TFF exists, but that is limited, and resto of your system is all holes). Seriously, running Win XP POSReady which is POS but has updates is probably better today. Software has only started to abandon it recently as opposed in 2010.

>> No.66954997

Those are registered, which means not compatible with standard motherboards made for UDIMMs.
See the above, you are right. UDIMMs ended at 1 GB.

>> No.66955031

>Those are registered, which means not compatible with standard motherboards made for UDIMMs.
Are you retarded? They work as non-ECC memory on unsupported boards. Even on some x86 boards. Hence it was a *hack* on the G5 in the first place.

>> No.66955071

They work fine in the Xserve G5 out of the box so I guess they should work in a modified PowerMac G5

>a *hack*

>> No.66955163

If the G5's motherboard is made to use registered RAM, then yes. AFAIK it is exclusive - either you can use UDIMMs, or RDIMMs. I don't think it is possible to make a motherboard that supports both. At least not for DDR3 and DDR4.

>> No.66955175

ECC is different from registered. UDIMMs can be ECC and RDIMMs could be non-ECC.

No idea if DDR was different and it was possible to make board that supported both, but are YOU really sure, too?

>> No.66955205

shut the fuck up

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>> No.66955230

Great input

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>Are you retarded? They work as non-ECC memory on unsupported boards. Even on some x86 boards. Hence it was a *hack* on the G5 in the first place.
Quick googling says that only Xserve supports registered (aka buffered) RAM, no PowerMacs. So likely you are either full of shit and never tried, or you confused RDIMMs with ECC UDIMMs (should work in a mac).
Next time fucking check before wasting other people's time.

>> No.66955253

Clean it and sell it back to some dumb macfaggot at premium.

>> No.66955366

Except only the very latest models had PCI-e, the older models had AGP and PCI-X

Mine uses default DIMMS you find in any Pentium 4 desktop.

I could indeed sell it for much more now I added more RAM, an HDD and an OS, the prices people ask for machines like these are ridiculous

>> No.66955703

>Except only the very latest models had PCI-e, the older models had AGP and PCI-X
That's why it explicitly stated in the post that you can do it IF you have a PCIe G5 with Linux. Not a pre-PCIe one.

>> No.66955729

That's not like RDRAM vs DDR where the sticks themselves are physically different. As long as the controller support it, the physical connection is the same. This is still a thing with DDR3 and DDR4, I can pop EEC DDR4 into my chink motherboard and it will just work.

>> No.66955773

You're the one confusing UDIMMs and RDIMMs, both can be used if the hardware supports it, but they can't be mixed.
One is unbuffered/unregistered and the other is buffered/registered. That's it, there's no magic involved.

>> No.66955850

But the information is still irrelevant for me.

>> No.66955879

The information in hand was always irrelevant, because you can't do it like he implied. The information about PCIe was only to provide a example in use cases this is actually remotely applicable.

>> No.66956530

Remove the inner components and reuse the case for a newer build.

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I have no single desire to take it apart and modify the case, and I do not have the skills for anything like that. It will end up being a failed project. Besides I already got a case for my pc.

>> No.66959227

>50% of the posts ITT are just wintoddlers telling OP to use it as a shiny pretty applel gaming case
Summer is real, isn't it? This is the most pleb G5 thread I've ever seen.

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>50% of the posts ITT are just mactoddlers telling OP to jerk it over an overheating fruit toy that was useless even when it released
Summer is real.

>> No.66959305

t. wintoddler

>> No.66959977

Wether or not you like apple, it doesn't matter. It was nice to have a mainstream alternative to x86. We don't have that same luxury unless you shell out several thousand for an IBM pSeries or some random ARM server.
Your only other option is to exclusively use mobile phones.

I need to do this with my Quad, kek.

>> No.66961313

I had one of these that wouldn't display an image. I ripped it apart, sold the power block, scrapped the case at the junk yard, and sold other pieces out of it to get back the money I spent. The motherboard is laying in a box rusting away, I pulled the heat syncs off with plyers. What a useless computer this was.

>> No.66962159

you sound like a retard

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