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This thread is about the appreciation of WHORES, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.

>Required viewing for new people:
https://youtu.be/aUMcx80g9bU

>Used watch guide:
https://pastebin.com/4cP1Tpri

>Strap guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

>Watch essentials 102:
http://pastebin.com/VBAu4Rwi

>Previous thread:
>>64682169

>> No.64695059

Cool vintage watches for under $300?

Quartz or Auto fine.

>> No.64695103
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>>64695059

>> No.64695149

>>64695059
Bulova 214/218/230 tuning fork watches
Seiko 5740c - 10Hz watch
Citizen cosmotron 7803a - high-grade electric watch (https://sweep-hand.org/the-x8-cosmotron/)
Borel cocktail or other mystery dials

>> No.64695185
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>>64695059
Vintage slavshit dress watch.

>> No.64695202

>>64695103
>seiko DOLCE
please tell me this has nothing to do with modern shitty clothing manufacturer

>> No.64695207
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>regularly service and restore wristwatches
>still buy a Lego out of impulse

>> No.64695209

>>64695185
rude

>> No.64695216

>>64693635
Oh no you see, he's one of those instagram celebs that just go to the gym to sling their protein powders that make you go bald. So fashion is everything to him.

>> No.64695218
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64695218

Y-you do insure your watches, right anon..?

>> No.64695220

>>64695149
You mean 5Hz. 1Hz = 2 beats.

>> No.64695227

>>64695209
What?

>> No.64695233

>>64695202
It is entirely unrelated

>>64695220
dang you're right. Donno what I was thinking.

>> No.64695342

>youtube.com/watch?v=P5jRLH0L5S8
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>Don't mod your watches
>Don't buy from greymarket
>Don't buy in-house
>Don't buy vintage
>Don't buy pocket watch conversions
Lad's been drinking too much tea lately

>> No.64695355

>>64695342
>>Don't buy in-house
>>Don't buy vintage
u foken wot m8?

>> No.64695356

>>64692799
>Yeah. I ordered it.
What did you get? Not an owl penis, right?

>> No.64695382

Watches from the Fantastic Mr. Fox

https://m.imgur.com/r/Watches/ZBVKW

>> No.64695392

>>64695342

I'm not watching that.

What's his argument against in house and vintage?

>> No.64695460

>>64695342
>>Don't buy in-house
>>Don't buy vintage
What.

>> No.64695472

>>64695342
>Don't mod your watches
Unless you know what you are doing. Or have practiced enough on parts you don't care about ruining before moving on. Makes sense right?
>Don't buy from greymarket
And always expect easy returns and warranties. Varies seller to seller.
>Don't buy in-house
Because understand that not all indie watch repairers will be able to service it and you might need to send it off to the company itself. If you are fine with that it is a-ok obviously. Everyone here shits on ETA's but something great about them is that they are easy to get serviced and don't cost much to service.
>Don't buy vintage
Before understanding that there might be expensive service costs and if something goes wrong depending on the watch is can be hard to source parts. If you are fine with that then a-ok
>Don't buy pocket watch conversions
Converted pocket watches are retarded anyway so I don't give a shit.

>> No.64695523

I want to start a modern and cutting edge NATO strap business that cuts out the middle man and allows the customer to purchase luxury NATO straps at a fraction of the price

>> No.64695646

>>64695216
Just to clear this up i was saying a casio f91 would not be a good choice for teh person asking the question.
"/g/'s opinion on tissot powermatic?
I need a watch I can wear at work with business casual and that doesn't look out of place when I wear it to the gym."
but you can continue to be a faggot if you wish.

>> No.64695671

>>64695646
Do you wear the same clothing at work and at the gym?

>> No.64695698

>>64695671
I DID NOT ASK THE QUESTION
I wear fucking sweatpants or shorts and a tshirt to the gym and own only mechanical watches so i leave that shit in the car. The fucking guy specifically asked a question about something HE wanted to do. I don't fucking care why he wants to wear the same watch to both places it is none of my fucking concern.

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64696132

Is this a good price for this watch?

https://www.chrono24.com/tudor/heritage-black-bay-36mm--id5864007.htm

>> No.64696234

>>64696132
Assuming it's legit, that's a decent price.

>> No.64696251
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64696251

Anything like the Flyboy with non shit movement?

>> No.64696308

>>64696132
Make sure you buy it on the bracelet.

>> No.64696391

>>64696251

Look at Sinn or Damasko

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>>64695059
>>64695103
Better version

>> No.64696488

>>64696132

Tudor is the only watch maker that I would have no reservation if they use ETA.

Looks like a good price. Truly a poor man's Explorer.

For some reason Explorer I prices have being really high, even for 15+ year old pieces.

If I didn't already have an Explorer I would consider the BB36mm

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i can't stop buying straps

>> No.64696708

>>64696488
the new one is just too big.

>> No.64696825

>>64695523
I'll do the logo for you

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64696826

r8 oc

>> No.64696872
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still loving pic related

>> No.64696881

>>64696826
>what is lanczos
>what is resolution
4/99

>> No.64696908

>>64696872
what model is that again?

>> No.64696929
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>>64696908
SARX047

>> No.64696936

>>64696872
nvm i found it and its 40mm

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>6R

>> No.64697014

>>64696936
I'm a supreme wristlet and it's fine

>> No.64697110

>>64695523
I'd buy from you if you do perlon strap instead.

>> No.64697111

>>64697014
Show wrist pics

>> No.64697227

>>64696391
Can't seem to find one that looks similar, I like the bold/kind of militaristic design with the red plan-ish second hand. For $150 maybe I'll just deal with the stutter..

>> No.64697259

>>64697111
I'm drunk and the pictures are quite unflattering but I can assure you it looks fine IRL

I think I might need to eat about 3 big macs a day though

>> No.64697264

>>64695523
cheapestnatostrap.com

>> No.64697268

What would you guys spend $2000 on? I like the look of the Rolex “Batman”, could never justify spending that much on a watch without adding another zero to my net worth.

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>Omegas 1861/1863 movement is overrated

>> No.64697310

>>64697259
sHOW ME

>> No.64697334
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>>64697268

Tudor
Grand Seiko Quartz
Vintage Rolex datejust

>> No.64697376

>>64696929
that dial is beautiful. if this watch was slimmer 36mm did not have the black bit or an s on the crown and was maybe 400-600 dollars or 1000 dollars with the 8l it would probably be the best new buy at any price under 2k.

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>>64695523
just buy some crates of that shit on alibaba
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Wholesale-nato-strap-watch-18mm-20mm_60003557695.html

>> No.64697397

>>64697014
you sound like that delusional guy from long islands watches. I personally can't wear 40mm dress watches but my wrists are only 7 inches so congratulations.

>> No.64697539

>>64697376
>8l
>$1000

wew

>> No.64697589

>>64697268
I might be a bit of a narcissist but I'd go Rolex just simply due to the prestige. As nice as Tudor and a Grand Seiko might be it doesn't make the same statement to non watch people.

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Need help identifying

>> No.64697633

>>64697539
>unadjusted
>machine made
>undecorated

more than 1000 dollars? The fuck you think they make it out of gold?

>> No.64697640

>>64697589
For $2000 you can only really get crusty beat up last of the litter Air Kings. Also
>caring about making a statement to normies
pffffft

>> No.64697733

>>64697633
>8L
>machine made
No, the 8L is not machine made. It is a less decorated, less adjusted version of the 9Sxx Grand Seiko movement including the proprietary Seiko inner terminal curve on the harispring and the MEMS escapement.

>unadjusted
Not really, more like less adjusted than the Grand Seiko movement its based on

>undecorated
Not true anymore either. They decorate the 8L now, though not as much as the Grand Seiko version obviously.

There is not the slightest chance that Seiko would sell new watches with the 8L for less than $2,000 in today's watch market.

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>>64697633
>machine made

So is most of a Rolex movement, you fucking brainlet.

The modern 8L is basically the equivalent of an 2892-a2 elabore.

If the machining is advanced enough it can produce top tier movements.

Find me a brand new watch from a reputable company that offers a 2892-a2 for $1000.

Is this how retarded /wt/ has become?

>undecorated

The 8L35b is more decorated than a Rolex movement.

>Unadjusted

Seiko machines these movement so they come out of the production line with inherent top tier accuracy. And they adjust it for certain models for even greater precision.

>> No.64697811

>>64697733
some 8ls are decorated some are not
it is machine made and can be machine assembled (and would be in such a watch) just because they "hand assemble" the mm doesn't mean they will do the same in some theoretical watch.
and it is NOT ADJUSTED AT ALL
you can't just say shit that is not true my man.

>> No.64697835

>>64697807
>2892-a2 elabore.
which sells in brand new 500 dollar watches
Rolex does decorate their movements even though they dont display them.
IT IS FUCKING UNADJASTED WHY IS THAT POINT EVEN BEING FUCKIGN ARGUED? IF SEIKO ADJUSTED THE MOVEMENT THEY PRINT HOW ON THE FUCKING MOVEMENT. I OUTLINED THE BLUEPRINT OF A THEORETICAL WATCH AND NOW YOU ARE QUESTIONING HOW THE MOVEMENT I FUCKINg SELECTED WOULD BE ADJUSTED? ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?

wt is dead good bye

>> No.64697840

>>64697811
>>64697835
Oh look, it's the vostok/co-axial omega worshiping shitposting troll who never posts his own watches despite shitting up /wt/ for a year with shameless lies and 50+ post samefagging meltdowns whenever someone criticizes a brand he likes or says anything positive about Seiko whatsoever.

Gas yourself you useless shitposting troll.

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Don't you, >>64697633, fucking dare insult Seiko again.

It won't go well for you.

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64697865

>tfw there is a perfect alpenis and it never comes up for sale
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f67/seiko-alpinist-sbcj031-hands-review-3202282.html
black dial sbcj019 obviously

at the rate SD landmasters are dropping to I might just get one, though I doubt I'd be able to pull off 46mm by 14mm with a huge dial. I've tried on a tuna 7C and I could just barely excuse it's height. I'm a wristlet since I dumped my beer weight.

>> No.64697866

>>64697835
>>64697840
By the way vostok are cheap Seiko 5 tier shitters inferior to the SKX as a true dive watch, Omega's implementation of the co-axial escapement is a joke, and there were damn good reasons Patek Philippe and Rolex rejected Roger Smith's attempt to shop the co-axial escapement for use in production watches.

>> No.64697875

>>64697854
watch switches arms

>> No.64697877

Imagine liking vostokshit while unironically whining about Seiko
ewww

>> No.64697899
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>>64697866
>the SKX as a true dive watch

>> No.64697910

>>64697865
>at the rate SD landmasters are dropping

>$2,700

Holy shit. When did this happen?

I didn't notice

>> No.64697922

>>64697807
>Find me a brand new watch from a reputable company that offers a 2892-a2 for $1000.
Hamilton intra-matic, $500

>> No.64697925

>>64697807
>The modern 8L is basically the equivalent of an 2892-a2 elabore.
Realistically, the 8L has some non trivial technical advantages over the 2892-A2 elabore. Seiko's proprietary inner terminal curve on their hairsprings and MEMS escapements should both aide positional and thermic variance compared to the escapement on the ETA.

It also benefits from assembly by GS with their focus on QC.

>> No.64697945

>>64697922
Swatch only allows that model to have that movement because it doesn't have a second hand. Swatch doesn't allow the 2892-A2 to be used at a sub $1,000 pricepoint on any model with a second hand in order to preserve the artificial market segmentation between the 2824-2 and the 2892-A2.

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>>64697922
>inb4 he spergs out about the lack of seconds hand
>>64697945
whoops too late

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>>64697910
I've seen as low as 2450 on one of the JP AD exporter sites, A-grade used on Ebay for ~2100.

If only the case was cushioned so it doesn't look so damn tall, I get the 'mountain waiting to be scaled' vibe looking at the side profile.

I regret sticking with my SKA monster while SBCM023s were selling for 250, too, but that's only a perpetual calendar, not GMT.

>> No.64697982

>>64697963
I'm not complaining about the Intra-Matic model not having a second hand, per se, as it is a dress watch and the original didn't either. I'm complaining about Swatch not allowing that movement to be used in models WITH a second hand at a similar price point.

>> No.64697995

>>64697623
It's an F.Shitter

>> No.64698024
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>>64697982
So now not having a second hand is a sign of cheaping out? Please elaborate?

>> No.64698049

Can someone explain why the GS line has quartz

>> No.64698052

>>64698024
I wasn't suggesting that was the case generally for all companies and movements, only that Swatch does not allows the 2892-A2 to be used in models with a second hand at sub-$1,000 pricepoint because it undermines their artificial market segmentation. The segmentation is artificial because a 2824-2 Elabore is not significantly cheaper to manufacture than a 2892-A2 Elabore, yet the 2824-2 is commonly found in sub $500 watches while the 2892-A2 is normally limited to Swatch group models at $2,000+

>> No.64698055

>>64697945
No, Swatch stays true to the original design. You are so desperate for a point.

>> No.64698062
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>>64698049
Why would it not?

>> No.64698084

>>64698055
Please see >>64697982 and >>64698052
I'm not complaining about the Intra-Matic, I'm complaining that it's the only Swatch Group model below $1,000 with that movement.

>> No.64698096

>>64698049
Seiko has been making high-end quartz models since they were the first to get to market with quartz wrist watches, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they would make quartz GS models.

>> No.64698130
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Royal Oak Offshore Diver or GTFO

>> No.64698145

>>64698049
muh dress watch has to be thin. And I'm not sure if they ever will run out of pride of developing a near perfect movement in the 9F. Pleb convenience features like perpetual calendar or quickset hour don't hold a candle to rumored 50 year service interval and top quartz accuracy. Imagine, the first ones sold in '93 are allegedly only halfway to their service date.

Plus, I think they are now extra wary of quartz watches with crazy "features" after the failure that the new Astron was. It seemed like they made it trying to compete with Breitling or the Speedmaster, and the 8X Asstrons are shitters in comparison. So expect more dressy doubling down.

>> No.64698175

>>64698145
>So expect more dressy doubling down.
Good. Dressy watches are where it's at.

>> No.64698191
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>>64698145
Not just that, I actually think that the SBGV007/009 might be the best expression of the 'grammar of design' aesthetic in the current range.

>> No.64698197

>>64698049
There are people (non-horology masterminds) who like quartz better than mechanical watches. And some of those guys have GS money too. Watch brands like to fill this segment because it's easy profit since quartz is, as you sure know by now, a lot cheaper for them all together.

There are times when they over do the watch and it looks better than their other mechanical ones in for the same price. oysterquartz

>> No.64698237

>>64698191

Where can the SBGV007 be purchased?

>> No.64698257

>>64698237
The current version which has the GS branding only is the SBGV207 and is available from most GS dealers I'd assume. 10 seconds in Google found a few of them.

>> No.64698329

Has canada anon sold any of his collection yet?

>> No.64698399

>>64698049
Meh, I expect to get shit on for this but I like quartz and mechanical. I grabbed a mint 1970s Seiko quartz at a thrift shop recently for $7, threw in a new battery and gave it a good cleaning/polished the acrylic crystal and it looks amazing.

>> No.64698435
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>>64683827
It is somewhat ugly but I still kinda want it for some reason

>> No.64698501

>>64698435
reminds me of a franck muller

>> No.64698518

>>64698435
>It is somewhat ugly but I still kinda want it for some reason
i understand, i feel this way about 14 year old boys

>> No.64698604

>>64698435
>>64698501
actually, i found out why, its an homage to franck mullers long island. good to know.

>> No.64698905
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64698905

Looking at Seiko divers for my first mechanical. Are SKX's the way to go, and what price should I be looking for. Most I've found so far have been $210 and up

>> No.64699084

>>64698905
get an orient ray II instead. sapphire crystal, in house movement, great build quality, better lume, day date complication, orient has a better (not amazing) bracelet, and the finishing to the actual watch case is amazing.

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>> No.64699851

>>64699084
I like the look of the Mako better than the Ray but they are basically the same watch

>> No.64699873

>>64698197
Some people also care more abbout accuracy so quartz is just plain superior in that reguard, but they also want a watch that doesn't look like some cheap Casio Walmart watch so these GS ones fill that need

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Question for you guys. There was mention made earlier of people worshiping the co-axial....Is there any reason why this innovation should not be praised?

From my rather limited understanding, this design decreases friction significantly, increasing the service interval from 5 years to 10/12 years. Granted, most of the info I've gotten about it (from ADs, of course) is probably just to sell me the damn watch, and truth be told, the first generation Hour Visions were lovely to wear, but I have not really come across anything that indicates that the co-axial isn't what it has been claimed to be.

The people I know who have them (mostly in the new Seamaster and the Speedmasters w date) have not had problems with reliability, or anything like that...the only downside apparently is that local watchmakers have a hard time servicing them because the design isn't widely used....can someone chime in here?

pic unrelated...watch porn.

>> No.64700028

>>64695472
>t. loyal tgv viewer and fellator

>> No.64700243

Can I trust an amohibia with timing my eggs? The bezel doesn't click, right?

>> No.64700384

>>64700243
how many eggs?

>> No.64700401

>>64700384
Around 6 I guess.

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Dropped my skx, now it's gaining around 200 seconds a day, was gaining ~2 seconds before the drop. What do? pic unrelated

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What are your watch goals for this year?

Mine
>short term Seiko Dolce to go with my Citizen Stiletto
>long term a Rolex of some description

>> No.64700949

>>64700919
I could pick up a Speedy reduced for little under £2k, circa 2000. Looks like some light damage to the polishing on the hour hand, but hands are cheap enough to source and replace.

>> No.64700963

>>64696644
Same. And I just bought new watches that have a different lug width to those I already have, so I'm going to buy new ones again.

>> No.64701082

>>64700919
Start selling watches because I've been buying too many.
Start looking at vintage watches.
Start buying tools and modding watches.

>> No.64701122
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Here's the new watch I bought this evening online, faggots. If you only know low end watch brands, let me dumb it down for you. This is called a Rolex Presidential.

I never wear cheap watches like working class faggots who act rich and wear trash tier brands like Casio and Timex. Money isn't a problem, but that's not something you can understand. Your overworked palms are too dirty to even be near expensive things.

To you middle class peasants who barely scrape by on bad credit, have fun dying early. I'll retire around the same time you're buried. This watch easily costs more than the shitty cars you drive, if you even own one.

AMA. If you are extra kind, perhaps I'll give you some life tips to be rich as I am. Just maybe you can luckily work for me some day, if you get up the ranks? Maybe serve me a glass of four figure priced wine?

>> No.64701139
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>>64701122

>> No.64701219

>>64695059
Some swiss brands that today are Swatch Group low used to make good stuff back in the day, and are completely underrated now: Certina, Tissot, Longines...

So really cool vintage stuff for a fraction of what you would pay for a similar Omega.

>> No.64701228

>>64701122
Pure Class.

>> No.64701238

>>64700487
Trash it and buy a new one. Something quartz if you are planning to drop it every now and then.

>> No.64701245

>>64700919
The stileto is a very very cool quartz.

>> No.64701342

>>64699998
I do not know if there are actually definite practical benefits that you personally will experience, but it is neat that a major brand is taking on this new tech, at least.
If nothing else, it shows that innovation is still a major driving force in modern mechanical watch production.

About the servicing; there has been a lot of talk about how Omega co-axials require extremely precise oiling against impact rather than friction, and still eat themselves up with very specific damage to teeth.
However, this information is apparently all coming from a single forum poster named Archer, who took a co-axial servicing course organized by Omega itself.
I'm sure he's 100% right about everything he said, HOWEVER, every single thing he said pertains only to the old co-axials that were retrofitted into ETA movements (the 25xx series).
The newer 85xx series was designed entirely from the ground up to have co-axials, and have a 3-level design that was originally recommended by Daniels himself (rather than the 2-level design used in the 25xx series).
Even the Archer guy himself says the number of lubrication points is cut by two thirds, for starters.
So it is very reasonable to assume that the 85xx series will not have any of the foibles that are always brought up when discussing co-axials.

>> No.64701416

>>64700919
My goal is to not buy anything.

I've got my eyes peeled for an old Omega, but I doubt it'll come up on eBay.

>> No.64701434
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64701434

>>64694958
Hey friends, so I just found about the Antikythera mechanism, and I am fascinated, is there a watch that has a face that resembles pic related?

thank you, friends.

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>>64697840
>>64697866
wait someone is saying they want a seiko but wish it was a bit different and knows the names of their movements and you think they like vostok and omega? Does the seiko male even have a brain anymore or does it run off the smell of its own shit?
>MFW soyko cucks are so up their own asses that they cannibalize their own kind

>> No.64702033

>>64701434
Not that I am aware of but clickspring is building an approximation of the mechanism.
https://youtu.be/ML4tw_UzqZE

>> No.64702052
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64702052

>inb4 some faggot flaming this watch because he thinks he's knowleadgable and special if he doesn't like Rolex
This watch is beautiful and most above all pisses people off.

>> No.64702072
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>Soylex
>not superior F.Shitter
[email protected]

>> No.64702079

>>64702052
Yeah the last thread was pretty crazy with all that jelly over some guys sub. Someone with a sub that will probably never post here again. kek look at the argument above here it looks like they scared off at least one soyko male and i am so happy they did.

>> No.64702111

>>64700919
SARB035 in the next couple weeks
SRP775 for summer
Possibly sell a couple others that don't get worn much. I really like my Bambino, it's gorgeous, I just don't know If I like it on me. 40mm is just a little too big for that kind of watch

>> No.64702138

>>64702052
I think a big ol' smattering of gold just doesn't really look good on men up to 50 years old. Looks like you're trying way too hard.

>> No.64702139

>>64700919
Save up and flip some watches, then get a GS quartz.

>> No.64702145

>>64702023
>pretending the purple who shit up /wt/ constantly but never post their own watches aren't immediately recognizable to everyone after a year of this shit
Go away.

>> No.64702154

>>64702138
that entire depends on how you carry yourself.. but since most ppl in their 20s and nowadays even 30s are skinny faggots who wear skinny jeans and have hipser haircuts, you're probably right.

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>>64701219
Can confirm, I got this manual wind Tissot Seastar for around £50.

>> No.64702161

>>64702079
Yes, it's definitely people who respect Seiko as a watchmaker that started calling every watchband they dislike 'soy-' and spamming /pol/ memes about them. Oh wait.

>> No.64702163

>>64702154
>entire
*entirely

>> No.64702176
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64702176

>>64701434
Looks like Huegblot has some.

>> No.64702200

>>64702052
That particular sub is pretty gaudy, but the dude from last thread had a pre-maxicase steel sub, which is hardly a choice one should get shit for, even if the sub isn't your thing.

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>>64702200

>> No.64702224
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>> No.64702226

>>64702176
omg no that's way to much

>> No.64702246

>>64702155
That would look good on a normal strap.

>> No.64702258

>>64699998
Ok, I'll try and be as fair as I can here for the sake of balance.

First of all, George Daniels original co-axial escapement design is a very interesting complication as implemented on his hand-made movements, but I think it's reasonable to point out that the low 18,000 beat rate Daniels' advocated with it is really hard to use in a production watch movement without having a significant negative effect on accuracy. In hand made haute horlogerie movements you can work around this because you can just do much more adjustment on the hairspring to compensate for the lower beat rate. Daniels also used gold for the co-axial teeth which have more flexibility to absorb the shocks of microscopic co-axial gear tooth interaction. So the issue is not that co-axial escapements aren't a neat idea, it's just that they are hard to turn into an idea applicable to volume production movements, but that is true of a lot of haute horlogerie complications and technical innovations. A fusee chain is also a cool idea, but is also pretty impractical to try and implement in production mechanical movements.

As for the issues with Omega's implementation of the co-axial escapement, I will take a long separate post to cover those.

>> No.64702267

>>64702258
Correction, I should have described the co-axial escapement as a technical feature and not a complication.

>> No.64702274

>>64699084
I think the Ray II only has mineral crystal; the Mako USA II has the sapphire.

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>>64701219
Tissot even had an automatic movement developed and used jointly with Omega.

>> No.64702321

>>64702287
>Tissot even had an automatic movement developed and used jointly with Omega.
Yeh, they're called ETAs.

>> No.64702346

>>64702052
I don't like this Sub but it's just because i hate gold watches, personally I think that they look too flashy

>> No.64702351

>>64702321
He's obviously talking about the period before the Swatch Group when they fired the movement development and manufacturing divisions at Omega, Tissot, Longines, Mido, and Certina and just started shoving ETAs in everything.

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>>64702224

>> No.64702406

>>64699806
info please

>> No.64702471

>>64702161
no the ten people that called the sub guy a fag where all soyko males though.

>> No.64702477

>>64702145
I mean if you step back and read your back and forth the guy was clearly not anti seiko and said nothing about any other watch brand. You faggots then all had some stupid argument about nothing.

>> No.64702494

>>64702379
What the fuck?

>> No.64702550

>>64702379
what?

>> No.64702556

>>64702477
The guy blatantly lying that that the Seiko 8Lxx is a machine made movement like the 6Rxx wasn't anti Seiko? Also, he's made the exact same blantanty false claims before, so he was recognized instantly because no one but him would brazenly lie that the 8Lxx is a machine made movement.

>> No.64702576

>>64702246
Yeah I only out it on the nato temporarily, it's on a black rally strap now. I don't have a pic though.

>> No.64702584

>>64702576
Sounds like a good choice.

>> No.64702656

>>64700028
Holy shit anon these well structured, reasonable arguments are impressively splendid!

>> No.64702679

>>64701416
Which one?

>> No.64702711

>>64702052
Nothing screams bad taste as a tool watch made of solid gold.

>> No.64702725

>>64702494
>>64702550
Fake news.

>> No.64702734

>>64702584
Yeah it looks pretty good, the strap is quite stiff though. It's a Geckota from Watch Gecko, I'll get a pic in a few mins if I remember.

>> No.64702778

>>64698130
>"hey mang nice g-shock"

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>>64702584
Here you go.

>> No.64702823

If Tudor makes an inbetween 38mm black bay with rotating beezul I am gonna nut

>> No.64702841

>>64702823
I'd take a BB with 200m WR if it meant it wouldn't be as tall. But yeh, there needs to be more sub 40mm divers.

>> No.64702850

>>64702494
>>64702550
It'd be some dumb faggot that tried to get a leather strap for a watch at some dealer and either the dealer just couldn't be fucked doing it or they are legitimately retarded (far, far too common, especially if it's a large chain dealer) to know that that's stupid. Faggot tries, gets fed bs story, posts it online because they're the type to believe everything some <minimum wage SA at some shitty mall's jewelry store told them.

The end.

(happens all the time)

>> No.64702869

>>64702841
Yea either use the ETA or make a slimmer in house for fucks sake.

>> No.64702884

Excluding Vostok any cool vintage divers that can be had for under $500?

>> No.64702925
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64702925

Good morning wt

>> No.64702995

>>64702869
Tudor's in-house movements are T H I C C for the same reason that Rolex's in house movements are: Robustness and shock resistance. Those are especially important in a free sprung, balance bridge movement design, which both use.

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>>64702925
Morning.

>> No.64703047
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>>64694958
Less is more.

>> No.64703055

>>64703005
hi Canada brah...is the 'steel' version better aesthetic wise?

>> No.64703073

>>64703055
I think so. I bought the black one as well purely to use with a rubber strap as a beater watch.

>> No.64703161

>>64696132
It looks awful. How do people keep recommending this shit. The snowflake hand doesn't work at all for the smaller size.

>> No.64703182

>>64703161
the diver's styling with no rotating bezel is ridiculous.
everything in the black bay line sucks apart from the original watch in the 3 colorways.

>> No.64703210
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>>64702925
Afternoon. I always wonder why your hand is so blocky?

>> No.64703263

>>64703210
Blocky? My hand rests more comfortably cupped than splayed, if that's what you mean.

>> No.64703300

>>64703161
>>64703182
I personally disagree, I'd still prefer the Black Bay proper but these look fine, especially if you have a smaller wrist. It's a bit of a different approach but I think it works fine, even if it lacks heritage.

>> No.64703331

>>64701122
what race are you

>> No.64703344

>>64703263
I mean, your palm is barely wider than the rest of you hand, just looks kinda weird. Maybe it's the pictures though.

>> No.64703356
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>>64702925
>>64703210
Hello

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>>64703344
Yeah I see what you mean. It's a bit of both.

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>rants pompously on about authenticity
>has hair plugs this obvious

lel
I don't envy TGV having to sit there awkwardly listening to this faggot's ramblings.

>> No.64703929

>>64700401
No, that's way too much. Russians aren't working with 6 whole eggs.
Amphs are only accurate for the timing of 3 or less eggs.

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>>64702556
ok I can understand getting annoyed at that. you fucks are hilarious. Just come together to shit on my mental illness of buying only Russian, Chinese, and Indian garbage "watches" instead and lets keep these threads civil.

>> No.64703980

>>64702379
What phone and android version is that ? Looks wierd and nice tbqh

>> No.64704039
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>>64702925
That's a v. good looking watch my friend

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Guys i need your help
I had been wearing shitty quartz all my life and now i want a true mechanical watch, but alas i am poor.
Vosktov seems interesting but i dont want people thinking that i am a commie
Seikos looks like homosexual watches
What else is out there affordable for the common man?

>> No.64704259 [DELETED] 

>>64704234
Based on your opinions, you’re best off shopping at Macys.

>> No.64704410 [DELETED] 

>>64704234
0/10

>> No.64704586
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>>64695218
>Bought a TAG shitter with insurance
>got bored of it
>gave it to my friend
>claimed insurance on it (lost my watch)
>got a new watch
Who else here /devilish/?

>> No.64704663

>>64704586
Are you black ?

>> No.64704677

>>64704663
No. But I found out the I got gimped by the jews that run that store and was basically charged double the price of the watch (after discount) to buy it with insurance. I'm simply getting my money's worth.

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>>64704586
>>64704677
>Buying TAG
>Getting played like a shmuck at a JEWelry store
How embarrassing for you.

>> No.64704711

>>64704704
Trust me anon.. I know..
In my defense, that was the first watch I bought.

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>waiting for two watches in the mail

>> No.64705188

>>64704586
retard

>> No.64705248

are mvmt watches good or shit

>> No.64705278
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>>64705248
Do you really need to ask?

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>>64705248

>> No.64705674

>>64705248
Ask yourself this:
>how could 2 broke students start up a watch company with good quality watches?

>> No.64705826
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What's the nicest current-production equivalent of the Schwarzenegger Predator watch?

>> No.64705850

>>64705826
Considering the original isn't nice at all, fuck knows.

>> No.64705863

>>64705826
Pick whatever seiko tuna looks the closest, I suppose.

>> No.64705867

>>64705850
Well it's rugged as all hell with the tuna case, and has that 80s flair with the digital dial.

>> No.64705885

>>64705867
There are plenty of 80's watches that don't look like dogshit, so I'm not sure why you'd get one that does.

>> No.64705908

>>64705885
>There are plenty of 80's watches that don't look like dogshit
I'm all ears. Unironically.

>I'm not sure why you'd get one that does.
Same reason people buy mechanical watches which have been pretty much obsolete since the early 70s; illogical interests.

>> No.64705961

>>64705908
Well, if you don't mind quartz, Seiko's Lord, King, and Grand quartz models can be had for a song if you're patient, and plenty of them look decent to awesome.

If divers are more your thing, I know they had several other nicer looking models from the Predator days. Unfortunately I don't know shit about them because I personally don't dive or like divers.

>> No.64706029

>>64695392
Most of those are "don't buy without knowing what you're getting into", the title is clickbaity.

High-end in-house complications can only be serviced by the manufacturer, which can be inconvenient.

Vintage watches can cost more to service them than what you bought them for.

Both reasonable caveats.

>> No.64706143

>>64705826
In the universe of that film, would this watch have fried due to the pred's self-destruct mini-nuke?

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>>64705674

>> No.64706673

>>64705826
The originals are very hard to find and always super expensive, I wish there was a modern remake of this and the H558 Bond model

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>>64705826
Any Tuna.

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Just ordered one of these
How did I do /wt/?

>> No.64706870

>>64706849
Poorly.

>> No.64706871

>>64706849
4.9/5

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>>64702267
>>64702258
>>64701342
Thanks. I like Omega, and my Seamaster has served me well for over a decade. I got 'into' watches just when the Co-axial was the next big thing, so I've been keeping my eyes on the real world results.

There were definitely (to agree with you) many complaints about he 25xx movements, to the point that on the forum I used to post on there was simply an unstated rule: don't buy them. Certainly, the 85xx series was considered a step up from all sides and quarters, and given my lack of knowledge on the subject, I could only take their word for it, so I'm glad to get another opinion.

Regarding the lower beat rate; my understanding is that it is more prone to shocks and bumps that affect its accuracy than a faster beat rate, is this right?

Also, now you've intrigued me.

>As for the issues with Omega's implementation of the co-axial escapement, I will take a long separate post to cover those.

Is the situation really that bad? I know there were some complaints about the chronographs (Seamaster in particular, and also I remember someone did complain briefly about the Speedmaster with the co-axial), but beyond this...

Bottom line, I loved the idea, but now you're making me rethink the idea of ever seriously considering a co-axial for purchase. Not a bad thing, just a case of 'the more you know'. Thanks in advance.

>> No.64706978

>>64706954
Not him, but as far as I know the requirement for extremely precise amounts of oil on the coaxial escape wheel (or it starts to eat itself in short order) hasn't changed.

>> No.64707003

>>64706849
Extremely well, it's objectively the only watch you'll ever need.

>> No.64707110

>>64706849
so much unnecessary information on there, kills it for me desu

>> No.64707113

>>64701342
>>64706954
With respect to Omega's co-axial implementation in the 2500 series, yes, things are that bad.

Understand that the entire point of a co-axial escapement is to lengthen service intervals and to potentially reduce the rate drift a Swiss lever escapement experiences between services as the lubricating oils on the escapement dry out and thicken over the years between services.

Omega's first implementation used a bi-level design that required microscopically precise amounts of oil to be applied to the co-axial teeth and resulted in:

1) Service intervals that were no longer than a Swiss lever escapement.

2) Greater sensitivity to prompt servicing every 5 years as the co-axial teeth would begin to wear badly once the microscopic amounts of oil on them dried up.

3) Much greater difficulty in servicing the movement.

4) Much greater risk of damaging the escapement during servicing.

5) Much greater risk of incorrectly applying the microscopic amounts of oil required to the co-axial teeth.

6) Limitation of servicing to Swatch Group itself and a select few independents trained and certified on co-axials.

So in sum, it failed to lengthen service intervals while being worse in every other respect than a Swiss lever would have been.

The newer tri-level 8500 is claimed to not suffer from the excess wear issue on the co-axial teeth, however, this fails to address that the majority of the issues the 2500 had are still present: The 8500 still needs to be serviced--at minimum--as frequently as a well made Swiss lever escapement would and the difficulty of servicing and ease of incorrectly servicing remains.

Also keep in mind that claims the 8500 has fixed the wear issues are questionable on the simple basis that the 8500 still uses microscopic amounts of oil on co-axial teeth and microscopic amounts of oil logically dry out faster than the macroscopic amounts used on a traditional escapement. What happens then? No one knows for sure yet with the 8500.

>> No.64707207

>>64706978
It has. See >>64701342

The new 85xx series was built from the ground up and has a 3-level design instead of the 2-level design in the 25xx; and the forum poster (Archer) who is the source of the whole "precise oiling" thing himself says the new 85xx movements eliminate two thirds of the number of precise oiling points compared to the 25xx.
And there is probably a lot more that's different, since the Archer guy has almost no experience with the 85xx.

>> No.64707256

>>64706691
Who makes these? I'm too broke for an actual Seiko Tuna.

>> No.64707297
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Well tomorrow is confront the roasties day. I feel sick and I haven't had much sleep in the last two days.

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64707317

>>64707297
what is that
blood?

>> No.64707321

>>64707113
>No one knows for sure yet with the 8500.
Well it has been out for over a decade now.

You're making a lot of assumptions.

>> No.64707326

>>64707300
Not normally a diver fan, but god damn.

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>>64706978
>>64707113
>>64707207
Holy shit...thanks guys. Everything makes sense from what you say.

The takeaway then to me seems to be 'don't get them at all.' If I were to purchase one with a coaxial, then I'd be in for roughly the same service interval anyway, with (I assume) the possibility of the movement having issues from a coaxial tooth fail from excess wear.

In fact, this actually explains something which I've been wondering about for a long time...that Omega would introduce the co-axial, but no other brands would take it up. I thought for a long time that it was only because Omega had some kind of proprietary claim to it, and thus no one else could use it except Omega and Daniels. But now it might be the case that other brands immediately looked into the design and decided that it wasn't worth the cost to convert.

Okay, another question then, and please forgive my lack of knowledge, but I'm deathly curious. If the co-axial is designed to have fewer points of friction that need to be oiled, and yet now the there is a situation of the coaxial wheel 'taking the brunt', would that indicate that the points of friction and impact that have been removed from other areas of the mechanism have simply been transferred over to the coaxial wheel itself, with no overall benefit? In other words, it sounds like they've robbed peter to pay paul, so to speak, and that there is no way to reduce the friction or impact points on an escapement mechanism...that we've reached the end of that developmental process...does that make sense?

Or is it simply the case that the coaxial indeed has reduced the number of friction and impact points mathematically and in terms of force, and the only problem is that the oiling of the coaxial wheel is so problematic that this is main issue that must be solved?

Jesus...I guess all I can say now is 'Omega has a great PR department when it comes to this design'. If it weren't for you guys...well, I don't know what I'd do.

>> No.64707360

>>64707317
Dab of wax to see tampering?

>> No.64707376
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64707376

>>64707317
>>64707360
For some reason that screw is sealed with red paint on every Citizen 8620 movement. It makes no sense really, since all that plate holds down is a hacking lever.

>> No.64707377

>>64703980

Essential PH-1 and Android 8

>> No.64707394
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Oh, thanks dude

pic unrelated

>> No.64707401

>>64707376
I guess that it's a good check if someone with no idea started poking around in the watch?

>> No.64707437

If one was going to star up their own watch brand what is the best movement to pick?

>> No.64707452

>>64707437
Depends what price point and features you want. Do you want to meme "swiss movement" as well?

>> No.64707472

>>64707352
Very basically; a traditional pallet fork ticks twice in one cycle, once for each of the two teeth.
A co-axial pallet fork has another tick in between.
This means the ruby teeth spend less time sliding because the contact time is divided by three instead of two (for the same duration of contact).
Less time spend sliding means less friction.
Apparently however, in the case of the 25xx at least, this means harsher contact.

That seems to be the tradeoff.
So the action of the escapement has indeed fundamentally changed.

The 25xx seems to have had issues (which seems logical seeing how the co-axial system was retrofitted), but the jury is still very much out on the 85xx (which was built from the ground up), which does seem to be fundamentally better and may very well be everything the co-axial was meant to be.

>> No.64707486

>>64707321
I don't think that I am. Most of the issues the 2500 had besides the co-axial teeth wear issue are intrinsically difficult to fix. The very nature of Omega's co-axial escapement means there is no way around the much greater difficulty of servicing and much higher risk of escapement damage during servicing than a Swiss lever escapement.

Has anyone been able to convincingly demonstrate that 8500s can go much longer than 5-10 years between services? Because lots of Swiss lever escapement watches can go 7-10 years between services without serious issue. And if the 8500 can't go longer than that, then what was the point of implementing a co-axial escapement in the first place?

My issue is that I don't think the performance of the 8500 would suffer in any measurable metric if you ditched the co-axial aspect and made it a Swiss lever silicon escapement with a free sprung balance.

>>64707352
Let me put it to you this way: I wouldn't buy a 25xx co-axial under any circumstances, but, for the time being it would be more fair to say that the 8500 is more like an annoying white elephant than something that should be treated as an absolute dealbreaker in and of itself, so long as you can live with the higher servicing costs.

>> No.64707490

>>64707437
Miyota 9015

>> No.64707498

>>64707486
>there is no way around the much higher risk of escapement damage
What makes you say that?

>> No.64707524

>>64696132
looks like some cheap mod. diver watch with the bezel removed. ugly as fuck.

>> No.64707529
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>>64707498
Because it's much easier to disassemble and remove a Swiss lever escapement than a co-axial one. The increased risk of accidentally damaging the escapement during servicing is a known issue.

>> No.64707556

>>64707529
Honestly I don't care one bit about risk of damage during disassembly.
If they break it, they're paying for it anyway.

>> No.64707590

>>64707556
I've had enough watchmakers lie to me about damage they did to my watches that I only discovered later that I am not so sure about that

>> No.64707591

>>64707556
Fair enough, my broader point is that no one has been able to demonstrate that Omega's co-axial implementation actually succeeds in extending service intervals substantially over a Swiss lever escapement, and if it doesn't achieve that, then why should customers put up with all the little drawbacks the 8500 has relative to a Swiss lever escapement?

>> No.64707595

>>64706849
You just spent <$100 for a watch that you literally will not have to worry about at all for the next 25 years.

>> No.64707600
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This seamaster looks a bit funky doesn't it?

>> No.64707612
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>>64707297
Hey anon, I am the dude with the same looking glashutte like the one you have been working on.
Mine is missing a screw, the one that holds the stem. I have taken it to a few local watchmakers but they didn't really wanted to waste time looking for a screw, I guess.
What should I do with it ? I don't really want to spend money on it, should I just sell it for parts on ebay or is easy to get a screw like the one missing ?

>> No.64707685

>>64707595
nice, even managed to get it for 90 new

>> No.64707744

>>64707685
Yea, I've had one sitting in my Amazon "saved for later" for about two years now. Already have an AWG-M100, so I don't really need another solar and atomic G-Shock. I just figured if it ever dropped to like $50, I would order one for the fuck of it

>> No.64707750
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64707750

>>64707600
I don't remember them making a Seamaster of this kind that wasn't labelled a chronometer on the face. The battery powered quartz ones maybe, but the date window should be further inwards on that model from what I remember (with a longer hour marker at 3).

The lugs have a really unfinished shape to them at the ends, and the springbars are either warped or the end links are fucked. The Helium valve is either not screwed down properly or is poorly fitted. The 0/60 Dot on the bezel is definitely not omega...the outer ring shouldn't touch the triangle anywhere.

The minute hand 'poles' that hold the end triangle are too wide...

I don't know man....too many odd things. Are you thinking of buying it?

>> No.64707765

>>64707590
You don't really discover escapement damage "later".
Especially on a watch with a display caseback like most 85xx Omegas.

>>64707591
The 3-level system is fundamentally different from the 2-level, so it's fair to assume it's going to behave very differently.

>> No.64707848

>>64707486
>if you ditched the co-axial aspect and made it a Swiss lever silicon escapement with a free sprung balance.
And here's the rub.
At the end of it all, when the dust has settled, has the swatch co-axial actually made tangible difference compared to the updated new gen swiss lever rolex has been developing?
No.
Less PR, by 10hrs.
Less bph (depending on calibre, 9300 is 28k)
Servicing difficulty/cost is a moot point since the equivalent movements are in-house anyway.
I'd call the swatch co-ax a meme movement, but I'd also have to call all the fancy materials that go into the newest rolex calibres "meme materials" too.
We know that with older rolex's, there was little harm in going several years beyond the recommended service interval with little to no ill-effect on the whole, dunno if the same longevity can be ascribed to the new stuff.

I have my own reservations with Omega in general, but I just don't see the benefit in these calibres beyond it being a marketing point for omega and swatch. If they'd have sunk all that money wasted on trying to make the fucking thing work for them on just bettering what the had, perhaps they'd have beaten rolex to the bunch. As it stands, they're still far, far behind in every respect.

Now, the Parmigiani Senfine, that interests me. That's a truly exciting development I'd like to see more of. A Daniel's /Smith co-axial? Sure it's magnificent, but I think it's a dead end. ETA engineers tried (and so did Patek's apparently) their best but the trad way Daniels formulated seems to be the best way to go about it.

>> No.64707913
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>>64707591
This is essentially what I was asking about, or at least, the core of the reason for my questioning.

I like the design of Omegas, and the company has sentimental value (i.e. no actual value to anyone else) to me. Their watches are at a pricepoint that I can afford, and I've had my eye on their developments. The next watch from them for me is definitely a traditional (861) Speedmaster...no doubt. But after that....I had thought seriously about the Hour Vision, which I really like and looks good on my wrist. But it's one of the 85xx. Also, they seem to be putting the coaxial into everything now that isn't a 'heritage' based product (like the Speedmaster). So, eventually I guess I'd have no choice.

That's why I'm curious about it...if the coaxial is problematic from a design standpoint, then I might have to abandon Omega after the Speedmaster. This isn't a bad thing, there are many other watches out there (and God I wish I could afford a Lange) but it would be sad to me anyway.

I guess I'm asking around here because people on normal watch forums don't seem to be free with their criticism unless something actually breaks. Beyond that, the watch is 'perfect' or 'a dream'. But that kind of analysis is useless to me if I'm going to drop thousands of dollars on a watch...you know what I mean?

If I bought a Patek, I wouldn't worry. Same with JLC or Vacheron. Normally with Omega I wouldn't worry either...but this has me worried. Thanks again...I appreciate the knowledge you guys have.

>> No.64707981
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>>64707913
Sorry, one last thing. Omega reps don't want to tell me anything about them, at least in terms of 'drawbacks' to a watch or movement. It's like buying a piano...they only tell you about the patents they've made, the glossy new finish they have, etc...but they don't tell you that the new plastic parts will wear out or that the carbon fibre won't react as well as traditional wood.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I can't get an honest answer out of anyone, and it seems that at least here you guys don't have a horse in the race, so you can be honest. That's why I'm saying thanks.

>> No.64707983
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>>64707913
You may or may not give a shit about what you're getting for your money, but I can't recommend omega (or any swatch group watch for that matter) to anyone who insists on getting a "swiss" watch. If you like them for what they are, fine, but there's a reason why omega gets shat on in so many of these threads.

>> No.64708002

>>64707848
The co-axial system is still at least a very interesting new spin on a part that hasn't basically changed in the past centuries.
And let's not forget who invented it, George Daniels. A god among gods in the watch world.
Nothing changes this.

And no company ever adopts anything if not at least partly in the interest of profit. So don't go too wild denouncing Omega for having exactly that in mind when adopting the co-axial.

If you ask me, even if - overall - it doesn't offer any advantages over traditional lever escapements, the co-axial escapement STILL less of a gimmick than tourbillons.

>> No.64708043

>>64707983
I'm about as anti post-Swatch Omega as it gets and I'd still say the MOTFM is a reasonable choice, if overpriced. It has design, history, and they chuck a good bit of adjustment and finishing at that movement, which itself is a very traditional design.

>> No.64708044
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64708044

>>64707848
>Parmigiani Senfine
Now this looks futuristic, doesn't it? And not in that "complicated looking for complication's sake" like those uhrwerk or richard mille, MBF messes.

>> No.64708082
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64708082

>>64708002
And yet shockingly it ends up being Bivert and the LVMH Group that are going to end up firing the opening salvo in the MEMS revolution.

>> No.64708117

>>64707437
Cheap Ronda quartz, then it can be marketed as having a Swiss movement.

>> No.64708123

>>64708002
>the co-axial escapement STILL less of a gimmick than tourbillons.
I agree with you there.
Except for, maaaaaybe, the possible exception of the JLC gyro, they're worse than a gimmick: they're completely useless. Some gimmicks some might find use by someone somewhere, sometime. This thing has no purpose but for showing off to people who otherwise would have no idea what they're looking at nor care. It allows companies to brag. Since they chinese can spit out a (more or less) functional tourbillion nowadays, I wonder what the fallback will be?
Repeaters?

>> No.64708139
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64708139

Did i killed my Vostok?
I was setting the time because it runs too fast, and i turned the hands counterclockwise.
Now the second hand is stuck, and no amount of shaking or moving it make it work.

>> No.64708153

>>64706691
Is this the ultimate watch?

>> No.64708181

>>64708153
Maybe if it had a radio room dial or an original blue scuba dude dial.

>> No.64708195

>>64707612
Buy an assortment of watch movement screws and find one that fits. That's kinda it.

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>> No.64708224

>>64708195
Whack it to the desk by the edge of the case (not fucking beast hard of course, just a moderate tap). My guess is Vostoks aren't really regulated that much in the factory so they must have enough beat error that they sometimes can't restart after stopping.

>> No.64708228
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64708228

>>64707437
don't listen to these clueless fucks >>64707490
>>64708117
swiss and jap are too expensive for a shitty startup
you need to go chai-kneez.

i recommend the sea-gull cal. st8007
it's breddy cheap
prolly find someone who can sell to you bulk on taobaowau
you can even charge extra because of the sun and moon

>> No.64708240

>>64708224
Meant for >>64708139

>> No.64708318
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64708318

>>64707983
Fair enough. The 'swiss' watch thing was never really what appealed to me. More aesthetics. It's the same reason I like Langes, but sadly it's also the same reason I dislike Grand Seiko. I hate the look of their watches, but I really want a Spring Drive. If they could put a spring drive into a Lange or Omega, I'd be in watch heaven.

Given the direction mechanical watches had to take after the quartz revolution, I'm pretty much immune to the advertisements of 'heritage' and 'tradition' that we are bombarded with today ('swiss made' is included in this category). Now it's solely about the looks + mechanism...and if there's a problem with either, then I abandon ship.

>>64708043
Sorry, MOTFM? NewB here...what is MOTFM?

>> No.64708336

>>64708195
Aren't the screws in watch movements, all different ? Especially in watches made half a century ago.

>> No.64708353

>>64708318
Man on the FUCKING moon, a joking reference to the 1861 Speedmaster Professional based on Archieluxury screaming that phrase repeatedly on his YouTube channel.

>> No.64708371

>>64707765
>>64707848
>>64707913
Can I just thank all of you for one of the better technical discussions that /wt/ has had in several months? I miss being able to discuss stuff like this without anyone descending into hysterics.

>> No.64708393

>>64707452
Well if I were to make a watch I would attempt to make a below 10mm thin diver watch with at least 150mm water resist. And the case would be 38mm in diameter.

>> No.64708531
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64708531

>>64708371
I'm glad I stopped by on such an auspicious day. I love talking watches, but there are very few I can do so with. To my great surprise and gentle astonishment, I find that the day I stop by here, I'm conversing with people who've examined the co-axial in detail and are willing to share their honest thoughts about the pros and cons of it.

Thanks to you all.

>>64708353
I just checked it out...he sounds a little loony, but I must admit, it made me laugh. Surprisingly, or not, if I had the money I'd try to get ahold of the model that was 'in-between' in the 60's, which had the 321 movement but with the more modern case with chrono button side protectors (ST. 145 etc). For me, this is still the pinnacle of that watch in terms of aesthetics and movement, but as I say carefully, 'for me'...lol

>> No.64708590
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CASIO OCEANUS OCW-S100-1AJF

JDM Casio with titanium case and bracelet + a sapphire crystal. It has a solar battery and it synchronises the time itself with radio waves. It also looks pretty neat.

What's not to like?

>> No.64708591
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>>64708531
When the resident trolls and shitposters aren't around, /wt/ has a surprising depth of technical knowledge.

I don't think anyone would be surprised by prefering the 321 version of the MOTM. You might be more surprised to learn that for me it is the Cal. 1045 in the moonwatch case (376.0822 aka 'the holy grail' Speedmaster) that is my favorite. For me, the Cal. 1045 aka Lemania 5100 is one of the greatest functional tool chronograph movement designs ever made, at any price. I actually own a 176.0012 Speedmaster Mark 4.5 because it has that movement.

>> No.64708667
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>>64708591
Well, now you've done it. The actual 'grail' is my holy grail as well, but it's damn near impossible to get and it's at prices that are in Lange territory, so it's not possible for me. I've seen enough cal.321s in shops that at least it's possible and affordable...but Chronomaddox's grail...my god, if I could get one, I would (in English, preferably).

The one you have is wonderful, and definitely a little easier to attain. How do you like it? Does it have pros/cons that you didn't know about before owning, but now have to take into consideration? I've seen a few with this movement but with the variant cases and I've been tempted...just to get some experience with the movement. The newer Speedy Day/date (before coaxial) I've always found to be rather ugly....but the first version was always the most beautiful aesthetically in terms of facial balance and legibility...

>> No.64708709

>>64708393
gay

>> No.64708729
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>>64708531

>> No.64708730
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>>64708667
>tfw there's no moonwatch cased speedsonic
Suffering.

>> No.64708804

Is there any tips and tricks when buying jdm shitters from Buyee ?

>> No.64708816

looking for a cyberpunk esq watch, think altered carbon not the matrix

>> No.64708822

>>64708590
been thinking about getting one, don't like wearing bracelets thought, how would this look like on a nato strap?

>> No.64708833

>>64708822
I heard that it uses some sort of proprietary bracelet and that you can't change straps that easily

>> No.64708842

>>64708591
i love your speedy anon. I personally want a 321 based chrono from the mid 40's but that's a longer term goal for me.

>> No.64708890

>>64708336
With a bunch of screws available you'll likely find one that fits.

>> No.64708968

>>64708833
yeah just saw a video that mentioned it. well fuck.

>> No.64709019

>>64707556
you went to some cash over the counter kike and you're surprised they lied?

>> No.64709028

>>64708590
>>64708833
>>64708968
https://youtu.be/isoFW9vobvI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an4gybyYk-w

>> No.64709310

>>64708804
See the pastebin

>> No.64709387
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>>64708318
>Dislike GS aesthetics
>Spring Drive in a classic, non-grammar of design, aesthetic
You seem like just the guy to appeal to Credor

>> No.64709436
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64709436

So /wt/, I’m trying to figure where this piece I got back in working order fits in the lineup. I have a casual field watch, a dressy dress watch that’s so dressy I barely have any opportunity to wear it, and a sporty Citizen Eco Drive I’m not the biggest fan of that was sort of my “dressing up a bit” watch, which for me is something like business casual for most people. Would this watch be able to take that last role? And yes I know this is autistic.

>> No.64709459

>>64709436
Sure why not

>> No.64709612

>>64709119
kek

>> No.64709643
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Can someone help me i honestly think i may be retarded.

>>64709119
Phuck me dead that was funny.

>> No.64709772

>>64708667
>How do you like it?
I really like it a lot, to the point that I wouldn't really consider another mechanical chronograph unless I was in a position to splurge on a holy grail speedmaster. Of course keep in mind that I'm a functional design autist and the Lemania 5100 is one of the absolute historical high points of functional design in pre-quartz mechanical movements, so I'm a bit biased on the topic.

>Does it have pros/cons that you didn't know about before owning, but now have to take into consideration?
You will eventually need to replace the chronograph reset spring. It's the only part that is known to tend to wear out on the Lemania 5100. Also, access to a reliable independent watchmaker you trust to work on vintage pieces is a must for owning a vintage chronograph, as is the tolerance to pay for the services.

>> No.64709792

>>64708730
I've seen one of those in person and it as absolutely gorgeous just the way it is friendo.

>> No.64709803

>>64708842
Thanks. The 321's are great for people into truly old school chronographs, and people big into the history of the watches they collect.

>> No.64709864
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64709864

>>64709387
It's a curious thing. I've tried, really tried to learn to like the aesthetics of the Grand Seiko, but the face, hands, and shape of the casing just remind me of...Seiko. Which, in my mind has always been the aesthetic of a nice, $199 quartz. Efficient, clean look with a hint of organicity.

With Credor, I have yet to find a design that I like. I can't find a rational or logical reason for this.

Let me put it this way, if I were to describe it. The Spring Drive is amazing to me as a movement solely because of the movement, nothing more. I don't care that it's Japanese, I don't care that it's made by Seiko..I just love 'the idea' and result of this movement (i.e. what it does).

But in terms of aesthetics I tend to fall towards things that I would deem 'iconic' (and I'm throatclearing here that 'I am the one' who is deeming it iconic, not anyone else). The IWC Big Pilot to me is iconic. The Omega Speedmaster is iconic. The Cartier Tank, the IWC Portugese, Breitling Cosmonaut, Lange Eins, etc.. Granted, I hate the Audemars Royal Oak, and I really hate the Panerai Luminor, but I recognize why they are iconic for what they are.

For me, the Credors always seem to have at least one element to them in their hands, face, or casing/crown that are from other watches that seem to me to be more comprehensively iconic. I know, I know, all these design elements are simply borrowed and have been for centuries, but it's still something I can see that bothers me.

The pic you have of the Credor immediately brings to mind a few strange mishmashes. Big Pilot crown on a precious metal casing. Lugs that have hard angles at the end when everything else is smooth and gentle on the casing (even the minute repeater button is a gentle cushion). A skeleton aesthetic with a second hand that has a moon tail to it that seems far too long...shouldn't the hands be as simple and small as possible to help show off the movement? cont.

>> No.64709884
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>>64709864
cont.

Similarly, while I'm sure the finishing of the components is immaculate, the movement is no where near as beautiful as even the Skeleton Omegas...which definitely aren't at the top of the list of skeletons. So why have a skeleton on a movement that looks plain but precise?

I know I'm nitpicking, but these kinds of details bother me because they seem to be at odds with each other, and not in a way that is thought-provoking or for a specific purpose. That's been my experience in general with Credor, though of course I've never tried one on (and in my opinion that's the true test anyway).

Does any of that make sense?

If this (pic left) was made with a Spring Drive, I'd only save up for one watch, and only own one watch. But that's life....

>> No.64709931
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>>64709884
You could always get this spring drive

>> No.64709957

>>64709803
Yeah i don't plan on jumping out of helicopters with it so it'll do for me.

>>64709864
>>64709884
That is an interesting perspective

>> No.64709964
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>>64709931
I'm trying to be serious here...though I always appreciate seeing watches I'd never seen before.

At heart I'm a classicist...but I love new engines. Watches are a tough hobby...it never lets you go, and as soon as you think you're done, truly done...something always draws you back in.

>> No.64709989

>>64709984
>>64709984
>>64709984


yeah yeah yeah its 3 posts early blah blah

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>>64709989
Do we have to?? This was such a comfy thread...

>> No.64710111

>>64708139
It's just a crappy hacking feature. You just need to be careful about which direction you move the hands when you finish setting the time, otherwise the hacking feature is still engaged when you screw the crown back in.

>> No.64710198

>>64710013
310 my man such is life

>> No.64710467

>>64708224
still nothing sadly
>>64710111
how do I disengage this?

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