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So many keyboards died for this day, let this be our last moment of real appreciation.

press F to pay respects

>> No.62453472
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62453472

first for data hand

>> No.62453654

Im gonna buy my 1st mechanical keyboard the logitech g413 silver, I didn't do any research and I choose it only for aesthetic reasons

>> No.62453675

>>62453654
Enjoy.

>> No.62453685

Gateron Blacks are the best switch

>> No.62453725

>>62453472
That looks sweet. Does it work?

>> No.62453732

>>62453685
thats not topre

>> No.62453768

Anyone know how i can fix a cherry key (cherry brown here) when getting intermittent key register? sometimes when i press a key, it only gets registered half the time. id have to press on it really hard to make it work properly. already cleaned the keyboard but still persists.

>> No.62453780

>>62453385
Those materials can all be recycled to make newer electronics instead of just sitting there doing nothing. How disappointing.

>> No.62453799

>>62453780
>ABS
>Recycled
lol

>> No.62453823
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>>62453725
not very well. Most of them have been destroyed so any remaining ones sell for $1000+

>> No.62453824
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62453824

forgive me, mkg

>> No.62453834

>>62453799
It is indeed recyclable!

http://www.plasticseurope.org/what-is-plastic/types-of-plastics-11148/engineering-plastics/abs.aspx

https://recyclenation.com/2011/03/difficult-plastics-recycle/

>> No.62453854

>>62453834
>it can be
That doesn't mean it is m88.
Code 7 - Straight to landfill.
If you put it in your recycle bin, the whole truckload goes to landfill :)

>> No.62453886

f

>> No.62453994
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gatistotles are pretty nice desu

>> No.62454256

So I'm buying a new mouse and keyboard, I've gone through lists of 'best gaming mice' 'best gaming keyboards' lists and I'm still not sure 100% on what I want to go for, particularly with the mouse.

For keyboards I want to spend about 150 or less, I'm leaning toward either the hyperx alloy elite or the k70 lux rgb, kind of leaning towards the k70 more because I think red only LED's will grate on me with time, I also have the chroma 2, gpro/g810 and apex 500 on my radar, but I'm having trouble choosing, I do about even on typing and gaming but that 'typing feel' isn't super important to me so I mainly just want a nice keyboard that'll be fun to game on and will work ok for typing. Macro keys aren't super important but wouldn't mind them (not sure if I'd ever use them honestly but who knows). I just want a nice mechanical keyboard that will last me a while and serve me well while gaming.

Mouse I'm having an even harder time deciding, I currently have the deathadder black that I bought back when I knew even less than I do now. I like the feel and shape of it and I've heard the newest deathadder actually has a really good sensor so I was considering getting that. I also have the sensei 310, g502, g403, rival 700 and the hyperx pulsefire on my list of maybes. Are mice like the g900 and g903 really worth their price tag? I don't really want to spend more than 80 bucks or so on a mouse, but again I just want to buy something that will last me a good long while and will serve me well.

While I'm at it, what's a good mousepad? I play lots of different kinds of games so I'm not sure whether to go hard or soft.

I'm sure I sound neurotic in this post, so apologies for that, I'm just having trouble with this decision and want to spend my money wisely, thanks for any help.

>> No.62454337

>>62454256
>gayming
sorry but I stopped reading right there. Please refer to
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG

>> No.62454443

>>62454337
ok

>$150
>Merica
>No clue what switch I prefer as this will be my first mechanical keyboard purchase, I don't really care about the sound or that 'typing feel' some people talk about though so I'd assume either mxbrown, red or speed? Again not 100% sure, whatever's best for gaming but not absolute shit to type on.
>Not too picky about layout, from the short google search I'd say ANSI over ISO
>*80%-100% either works
>Want LED's, don't necessarily need rgb, but just don't want red only
>previous keyboard is logitech mk550, not a bad keyboard, lasted me a long time, want something sturdier, more gaming oriented, mechanical, etc. Not really looking to base my next keyboard off this one.

>> No.62454526

>>62454443
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1753

>> No.62454573

>>62454526

Says out of stock, also, for that price would a k70 lux rgb not be better?

>> No.62454635

>>62454573
>would a k70 lux rgb not be better
Nope, not even close

>> No.62454675

>>62454443
You know gaming keyboards are a placebo. Getting one won't actually make you a better gaymer. Just get a cheap keyboard with blues like
https://www.amazon.com/Firstblood-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Backlit/dp/B01L8EKTHK?th=1

Personally I'm not a fan of these gaudy keyboards so I would've gotten something simple with PBT keycaps

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>>62454573
Corsair keyboards suck. Thanks to the non standard keycaps you can't replace the shitty ABS ones with some nice PBT. You're paying a premium simply for the RGBT LEDs. You can get cheaper keyboards with build quality on a whole other level.

>> No.62454840

>>62454635
Thanks for giving me a concrete choice to go for, mind if I just ask what it is about this keyboard? I've just never even heard of it and its hard to find a review of it anywhere either.

Apologies for my ignorance and thanks for the help.

>>62454675
Because that was what I said right? That I wanted to do better at games and this was my way to do it? Pretty sure that I laid out that I just wanted something with non red only backlighting that was of good build quality and more comfortable to play games with but not terrible for typing.

thanks for you suggestion.

>>62454698
Interesting, everywhere else you hear that corsair is known for their build quality, thanks for the info.

>> No.62454864

>>62454840
Just get a ducky or cooler master if you insist on gayming keyboards. Make sure to get the ones with PBT keycaps

>> No.62454887

does filco majestouch2 have PBT or ABS keycaps?

>> No.62454915

>>62454887
Not only do they have ABS keycaps, but they use the worst printing method. That's right you get pad printed keycaps. Its the one flaw with filco keyboards, but the layout is standard so 90% of the keycaps out there are an improvement.

>> No.62454976

>>62454864

I'm not against getting a ducky or something, just want to know what makes it so recommended.

Also for the second time, I never said I want a 'gaming keyboard', I don't care about labels, I want a keyboard that will be comfortable for gaming since I do a lot of it, has backlights that aren't red only and has good build quality/won't break in a week. To my knowledge that was some of the keyboards I listed much earlier, now I have more information, which I'm trying to work with.

Also the ducky isn't really available anywhere, the one I was linked too says it has abs caps and the one I can find on amazon has blue switches which sound irritating.

>> No.62455010

>>62454976
You're retarded
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=1&switch=&size=&led=&capmat=2&capprint=&model=&availability=in_stock&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off

>> No.62455083

>>62455010

Yes I'm retarded because I was linked to a site by someone else here that I've never been to before, regarding a keyboard I've never heard of before and then couldn't find anything in a google search about said keyboard.

Would much rather be 'retarded' than be a cunt like you, enjoy being a virgin kid.

>> No.62455161

>>62455083
Stick to reddit then. While you're at it just buy that corsair keyboard. It's perfect for retards like you.

>> No.62455372
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>Bought my first MX Blue board and took it to the office
>None of my coworkers has a problem with the noise
>But it was I who hated it
This shit is infuriating. Loved the key feels of MX Blue, but I just couldn't stand its high-pitched sound.
Any solution? Or any other switch that feels similar to MX Blue but without its sound?

>> No.62455431

>>62454976
Yeah you're new here alright.
Look, all the boards you listed are considered low-tier here, as they (usually) have gaudy gaming looks and silly brand taxes.
Plus, a lot of people here don't like RGB.
So, we have a bias here. If you don't like it, don't come here looking for advices, just as you don't go to /g/ for, say, some Apple love.
Ducky is considered a good-tier brand here: Solid quality, not too flashy, has RGB versions if that's your thing. So it's often recommended for noobs who just got into this hobby.
There, happy now?

>> No.62455652

>>62453385
so as a mkg noob and someone who isn't super autistic about gaming performance, are cherry blues all right to get for normal everyday use? looking at getting a rosewill

>> No.62455669

>>62455652
yeah but be prepared to get evicted from your apartment for using them

>> No.62455711

>>62455669
>>62455372
are they that loud?
should i get browns instead?

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>>62453824
That's not so bad.

>> No.62456037

>>62455711
not that loud, but the sound is much higher-pitched than browns.

>> No.62456357

Which switches are clicky like Cherry Blues but have a low pitched sound with the same loudness?

>> No.62456371

>>62453824
gross
>>62455843
jesus fucking christ

>> No.62456385

>>62456357
Clicky Alps.

>> No.62456572

I want a well built cherry browns or scissor switch keyboard that's TKL, has skip to next/previous song media buttons, a dial for volume control, has a "normal" layout and is black/minimalist such as the Logitech G Pro. Don't care about RGB.
Is there anything out there for me or should I just get the Logitech or CM Masterkeys?
I'd get this if it's was TKL and not $200+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6YLj12s1e4

>> No.62456594

>>62456572
>dial for volume control
That right there instantly limits you to gamer boards

>> No.62456607

>>62456594

To be honest it's probably the one thing I would be willing to compromise on. But even without it I don't see a lot of solid options.

>> No.62456722

>>62456607
The thing is, dedicated media controls are much less common on TKL compared to fullsize, fullsize gives you nice empty space above the numpad to add 4 extra keys, TKL you can't really add anything without increasing the size of the board. Just get the CM.

>> No.62456841

I'm looking for a keyboard that says "Wow he really knows how to pick out a keyboard" but also says "Wow he's a cute femboy that would be easy to dominate and flush my seed inside his pussy"
Anyone know of something like this?

>> No.62456862

>>62456841
HHKB

>> No.62456907

>Budget
100ish
>Location (continent at least)
'merica
>Preferred switch type
idk mang brown?
>Layout
normal
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
yes all the colors
>Previous/current keyboards
i want one thats white/blue/or pink

>> No.62456953

>>62456907
> brown
They are mush and prone to double activation
I'm switching to either clear, white, ore blues.

>> No.62457665

i recently bought meme yellows and i cant look back...i hate my gateron blues now

>> No.62458211

Give it your best shot

https://www.massdrop.com/talk/2343/community-keycap-set-design-contest

>> No.62458819

>>62456862
white HHKB at that

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>>62458819
Yes!! HHKB's are great

>> No.62459477

>>62458819
this is accurate i have a white hhkb

>> No.62459721

>>62455843
https://www.reddit.com/user/-300BlackoutDrunk-/

>> No.62460587

>>62459278
Do I see a sag in that desk?

>> No.62461313

>>62459477
>>62459278
>>62458819
my hhkb came literally just yesterday. I've loved it so far. I was worried that the Topre 45gs would just feel like overpriced rubber domes but it isn't the case at all. It's not like any cherry mx switch i've ever used but it feels amazing. I'm not sure if they are linear or not (not the most experienced with mechanical keyboards) but they feel... good. The one comment I do have on the keyboard is the layout. It's actually really interesting, but it takes some getting used to. But once I have begun to get used to the control and delete key location it feels really natural (why would the backslash be closer than the backspace, like wtf) and going back to my laptop's keyboard now feels weird. Either way it only took me a day to really get used to it, and once I get used to the location of the tilda key I think I'll be set. I have been really enjoying this board though so far. For reference though my other keyboard is a pok3r with Cherry MX Browns. It's a nice board but I just wish I had gone for the Cherry MX Clears. Don't go browns if you do Cherry's. Seriously Clears are so much better and it's my biggest regret with keyboards.

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>>62458819
Wow I was considering a white HHKB but I ain't no queer.

>>62459721
Not me. I don't post on rebbit, I don't have one of those and I don't take cell phone pics.

>> No.62461592

>>62461457
Why would you get another keyboard?

>> No.62461628

>>62455843
Spotted the dog owner

>> No.62462275

>>62460587
Perhaps you're just autistic
>>62461313
HHKB's are definitely a tactile switch but the tactile bump is right at the top so the rest of the key travel feels so smooth and almost linear. Model F's are the exact opposite, the way down the switch feels linear and smooth until the spring buckles.

>> No.62462507

>>62461313
>why would the backslash be closer than the backspace
There's a lot of issues with the standard ANSI qwerty layout.
Right hand pinky has to travel further for keys you're hitting constantly, like shift and enter, compared to left hand. Right shift is forever long too unless you get a compact keyboard.
Left hand pinky seems to be using shift a ton more compared to right, with caps lock taking up a ton of space to do nothing.

I haven't set up my computer for compiling keyboard code yet, but I'm really looking forward to customizing keys on the tada68 I have arriving today.

>> No.62463406

>>62462507
Pinky mods isn't an ANSI problem, it's a general problem of standard layouts that have mods all around the edges. That's why split ergo keyboards exist, with thumb clusters for keys like shift, enter and backspace.

>> No.62464108

>>62463406
That reminds me that ISO has that ugly fatty return key for no reason.

Anyway, seems like the standard could be fixed since we have so many nerds stuck in front of computers, but that would just introduce another form factor that nobody would move to.

>> No.62464232

>>62455711
No. They click - and they also clack from hitting the bottom (unless you use O-rings), so they basically have an extra sound on top of browns.

The click is just that - a click. Get a switch tester - order one from amazon and return it later if you're a jew.

>> No.62464497

>>62464108
The TypeMatrix layout is probably one of the best candidate for a new standard. It's ortholinear, while providing a middle cluster for modifiers/navigation, thus spacing out the ortholinear alpha clusters enough to make it comfortable to type with your wrists almost straight. It also provides excellent modifier access to thumbs.
To do better, you need either split or curved, and probably with a dedicated ergodox-like thumb cluster, and these features make things a lot more inconvenient, bulky, expensive, or all of the above.

Too bad nobody will ever move away from the standard. Heck, even picking literally any ergonomic logical layout - whether it be dvorak, workman, or fucking arensito or whatever - and making in the new standard would almost certainly be an improvement over qwerty, and a much bigger improvement than changing keyboard shape. but even that will never happen.

>> No.62464516

Somebody redpill me on qmk. I want to properly reprogram my tada68, how would I go about doing that?

>> No.62465072

>>62453472
would this work for someone who has arthritis?

>> No.62465273

>>62465072
Theoretically, probably yes. You basically don't have to move your wrists at all, you just lightly flick your fingers around.

Practically, good luck finding one in working condition, then paying upward of $1000. Your best bet may actually be paying someone to finish the modern re-creation project that was started - they got most of the finger assembly modelled and ready for 3D printing IIRC, but didn't do the thumb, and may not have properly finished the electronics.

>> No.62465926

can I get a rec for a good wrist rest

>> No.62465978

>>62465926
Sure, go down to your local Target/Kmart/local equivalent, buy the cheapest handtowel you can find and roll it up into a cylinder.

>> No.62466113

>>62465978
Different anon here, I've seen this recommended a few times. What's so good about this? Is it just that it's just as good as dedicated wrist rests at a much lower price, or is it actually better ergonomically?

>> No.62466467

>>62456572
Check out the Vortex Race 3:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2448

Got one earlier this year with MX Silver switches - big fan of the keyboard's layout and the 75% form-factor in general. It has navigation keys, including arrows, an app key under Fn + Z, and a function layer with Fn key combos that do media functions.

>> No.62466496

>>62466113
the purpose of a wrist rest is to rest your wrists... A rolled up towel does exactly that while adding a more cushioned surface.

>> No.62466513

>>62466496
>now with even more autism!

>> No.62466700
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62466700

>1 week researching
>1 week shipping
My Saber68 is finally here. Thanks for your help /mkg/

Keycaps feel nice and I no longer feel like I need to smash fingers into keys to get them to actuate. But I still need to do a few things to customize it and give it a proper test run.

>> No.62466718

>>62466513
>can't come up with a logical refutation to a point
>i'll call it autism!

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>>62465978
making your own wrist rest will cost you less than 2 euros...
The square meter of synthetic leather is supper cheap and the inside foam, well no idea i got it for free.
Also it will last you for ever not like a towel

>> No.62467101

>>62467073
Synthetic leather feels like a butt

>> No.62467137

>>62467101
then just take some old jeans...

>> No.62467142

>>62464516
I have personally never got qmk to work, and have always used keyboard layout editor and tmk/tkg instead to program my boards. Good luck, because it's a huge bitch and you'll find a lot of different things won't work; I personally had to directly download tkg and do it off its shell programs because the tmk website never worked for me.

Or you could just use the applet for the Tada, do you really need more than 2 layers?

>> No.62467185

>>62465926
>wrist rest
>good
You do know its a fact that they aren't good for you. Arm rests are much better

>> No.62467260

>>62466700
Nice choice, anon!

What switches did you get?

>> No.62467375

>>62467142
>do you really need more than 2 layers?
Yes, and you can do that - and much more - through the applet. But I'd rather have a text config file I can edit, than a bin file and a bookmark as my only way to edit an existing layout.

>tmk/tkg
Can this work at all with a tada68? It sounds like I'd need to completely replace the controller firmware.

>> No.62467456
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>>62455372
>>62455711

Clears are close to blues in terms of feel, as in there is that 'giving' feeling halfway through a keypress, but clears don't make the loud click sound.

Greys are the same as clears but feel a bit stiffer.

Whites do make a click but are a lot quieter than blue, and feel marginally stiffer.

Greens are stiffer and give a louder click than blues.

Reds don't make sound but they don't have that 'giving' feeling half way through a keypress, they just go straight down.

Browns are the same as reds but stiffer.

I recommend buying a sample board before buying a fuckload of switches

>> No.62467478

>>62467375
qmk supports the tada68 and has 3 layouts listed by default, try one of those and then ad your own layouts with some easy copy pastes

>> No.62467490

>>62467142
The applet can add layers, but if you need special keys then it can't help. Plus there's no documentation on its macro settings.

My main hesitation with QMK is that it wants its shell program installed for compiling code. Doing simple keymap changes doesn't look hard, but I'm still trying to understand some of the syntax for doing other things with macros.

>>62467260
MOD-M tactile
Feels a bit too easy to bottom out after getting past the bump, especially on the left shift, but I'm coming from a board that needed to have keys slammed so I'll have to adjust.

>> No.62467581

>>62467456
>browns are the same as reds but stiffer

I thought browns were tactile while reds are linear?

>> No.62467593

>>62467581
Browns are "tactile", not tactile.

>> No.62467615

>>62467581
You're right. what I thought was a brown on my sample board is in fact a black.

>> No.62467681

>tfw fell for the Matias quiet click meme

>> No.62467711

>>62467581
>>62467593
Unless you buy gateron browns, of course.

>inb4 "muh alps/buckling springs"
Yes, MX switches in general have shit tactility. Even clears/greens don't come close to alps or buckling/beam springs. But in the context of MX switches, gateron browns are decently tactile.

>> No.62468353

I want to make a mech kb. Any good tut out there?

>> No.62468534

>>62467456
>>62464232
>I recommend buying a sample board before buying a fuckload of switches
Or i'll just buy a keyboard and not be a complete autist about it

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>>62461592
Well just to have something different. I'm looking for something special. Maybe I'll just try to find one of those 80% IBMs.

>>62461628
No dogs m9, dogs eat feces.

>> No.62469123

>>62469064
have you ever shot a man?

>> No.62469155

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il8DT_alCLk

step up your game

>> No.62469211

>>62461457
>I don't take cell phone pics.

Could have fooled me.

>> No.62469213

>>62469155
nah

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I there a mouse equivalent to a mechanical keyboard?

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>>62469211
You might need a new monitor or glasses, anon. Not to say my snapshits are anything special, but come on now.

>>62469123
Thankfully no.

>> No.62469305

>>62469155
is he lining up his fingers and then pressing all the letters for the word in one movement?

>> No.62469317

>muh keyboard
So do you dipshits only buy these keyboards to annoy people over your mic because you're too stupid to use push to talk?

>> No.62469372

>>62469317
Dunno what the fuck you're no about. My Matias quiet pro makes less mic noise than anyone I game with using their HP/Dell rubberdomes or chicklets.

>> No.62469486

>>62469372
what switches?

>> No.62469515

>>62469486
Matias Quiet Click switches.

>> No.62469532

>>62469486
>being this retarded

>> No.62469801

>>62469317
>stupid gamer thinking about everthing in terms of gaming

Back to >>>/v/ with you kiddo, the grown-ups are talking here.

>> No.62469821

>>62469155
>he needs keycaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D2iH8AdiTc&t=

>> No.62469826

>>62469305
no, plover is a steno system, it has a custom dictionary of mnemonics that you push all the keys at once in a chord to produce that word
https://sites.google.com/site/ploverdoc/lesson-1-fingers-and-keys

>> No.62470012

>>62469826
qwerty works well for all languages even for those with tildes but how is this shit going to be adapted for other languages? and if you are multilingual like me with 4 languages under the hood making all those dictionaries would be a huge pain.
Looks very fast but kills your flexibility

>> No.62470268

>>62470012
yeah, it's typically used by court reporters or transcribers, it'll be set up with a custom dictionary for that particular use case.. you could use it for other languages but you would need a custom dictionary for each language

>> No.62470951

>>62469801
>he's never used skype in a business setting
>he's never had to hear some grognard pounding on his keys over a call
Right-o kidd-o

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Where can I get blank black or black on black Cherry profile PBT?

I know of the Classic Black on Originative just wondering if there are cheaper options.

>> No.62470998

What switches are the closest to the old school apls switches found on the apple keyboards?

>> No.62471063

>>62470976
I found these http://www.ebay.com/itm/282227526353
60% set for $25.80 can it be real?

>> No.62471086

>>62471063
yes, that's a reputable seller

>> No.62471305

>>62470951
>doesn't have a Supercardioid mic

zozzled

>> No.62471650

>>62470998
MX blacks

>> No.62471892

>>62453385
So if i bottom out when typing on rubber domes i should just get blacks instead of a tactile switch?

>> No.62471918

>>62461457
>that keyboard
>that P7

hnnng

>> No.62471932

>>62471892
either blacks or topre

>> No.62472329

I don't understand the RGB meme, why do everyone like it so much. Every product that has "16.5mil color" are overpriced as fuck. Not to mention, most of them have shitty stock keycaps and shitty layout.
My friend paid 70$ for an otemu switch keyboard just because it has RGB backlit.

>> No.62472451

>>62472329
it's either for gaymers who want it because they fell for the marketing meme, or for indecisive autists who want backlighting but aren't sure what color they want

>> No.62472701

>>62470976
aliexpress.
cheapest chink shit around. I use them right now.

>> No.62472719

>>62454256
I have a k70 rgb with brown switches. I love it, i just wish browns were stiffer.

>> No.62473091

where do yall buy keycaps from?

>> No.62473173

>>62472329
I don't even understand backlighting, let alone RGB -- why would you be looking at your keyboard in the first place?

>> No.62473184

>>62472329
16.5 million colours is a meme anyway, RGB LEDs don't have even close to the level of fidelity to show differences that minute, they just say it has 16.5 million colours because you can set each hue from 0 to 255.

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>>62473173
It's fun. It makes it feel like your keyboard is "alive" when you plug it in.
White LED backlighting is the best. Looks fun and not as distracting as RGB.

>> No.62473496

>>62454256
>keyboard
Something with Gateron Blues or Browns will do, and it'll save you some money until you decide to pursue things like PBT keycaps. You say the typing experience doesn't matter, but even shitposting on 4chan everyday will have you wanting something better.

>mouse
For beginners I recommend the Logitech G203. Same performance as the G Pro, but cheaper and no braided cable. Personally, I like the Steelseries Rival 310 and the Roccat Kone EMP.

>mousepad
Steelseries QcK is babby's first cloth pad. Dechanic and Glorious are good options too.

>> No.62473515

>>62472329
Looks rad as fuck to other people if you have all the lights in your keyboard, mouse, mobo, and RAM in sync. Other than that, nothing.

>> No.62473793

>>62467711
Outemu purples are equally cheap and significantly more tactile than gateron browns.

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I made this

>> No.62475679

Hi /mkg/,

I wanna buy a mechanical keyboard (since my current IBM Model M at home is too loud to bring here), and need your help:

- price fit for poor uni student living in a dorm
- ISO layout
- blank keycaps (or hungarian, but thats rarer and i don't need it)
- full size or tenkeyless
- clear or brown switches
- i don't care for backlight

Thanks

>> No.62476339

>>62454698
Compared to Ducky keyboards that are ugly as fuck, Corsair keyboards are great.

Honestly most full size mechanical keyboards look too ugly. The design of the K65/70/90 keyboards is perfect. Looks so much better than any Ducky.

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>>62475679
If you want iso your only option is to buy cheap chink shit like VicTsing and swap the switches and keycaps yourself. Or you could build one for 70$ + keycaps.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01D64M662/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kq6ZybZSYDC0K

But I would recommend using ansi instead. You can still have all the hungarian keys except the í which you can remap to the left win with sharpkeys. This way you have more cheap options like James donkey 619 or Drevo Gramr.

>> No.62477534

>>62473793
>Outemus

>> No.62477632

>>62475679
IKBC G104 comes in ISO and with MX Clear: https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/vortex-g104-iso-mx-clear-without-keycaps_22/

>> No.62479366

>First session typing on new keyboard
>Hand doesn't hurt
Worth it.

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>>62465926
just take a small towel and you're good

>> No.62479770

have you tried Leobog keyboards, /g/? they are very cheap.

>> No.62479795
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This pupper just arrived
Feels pretty good desu, gat browns are godlike

>> No.62479919

>>62456357
The new Kailh switches like the BOX Whites that use a click bar instead of a Cherry-style jacket, they sound fantastic.

Aristotle like Gatistotles (using a Gateron housing) or Cherrystotles (using a Cherry housing) have varying sounds, but all sound better than stock gateron clickies.

I made Gatistotles using a batch of old Aristotle switches and a bag of new Gateron clicky Blues with milky housings. The end result is a much louder, but more sold and substantial click sound and increased tactility. The downside is they're a bitch to make..

Another option is clicky Alps or Alps clones (Matias). I'd always recommend Alps switches but they're a different kettle of fish compared to Cherry MX-style.

>> No.62479987

>>62479429
>>62479795
Is this the best budget option you've had? Not yet sold on the 65% since I've used fullsize my whole life, but I do appreciate the extra space I'll get from the TADA

>> No.62479995

>>62470976
KBDfans sell a set of blank black Cherry profile in 1.5mm POM. I haven't personally tried POM but it seems quite well received and they are fairly thick caps..

>> No.62480022

>>62470976
Actually forgot they sell ePBT which is Cherry profile. You might get these cheaper on AliExpress or something but KBDfans shipping and service is pretty top; https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/collections/keycaps/products/enjoypbt-blank-keycaps-117keys?variant=36945662157

>> No.62480105

>>62470998
In what respect? The Apple AEK boards typically came with SKCM Orange, Salmon, Cream or white (damped or undamped).

You can still find these switches either in AEK / AEK II boards on ebay, or desoldered and sold on mech market or wherever. Matias make modern interpretations of these switches such as the Matias Click and Matias Quiet Click - they're not bad and certainly easier and cheaper to obtain but they're not really as good as the originals.

In terms of MX-style switches, it's tougher to say as nothing really comes that close.. I'd say MOD switches come close to the tactility of Alps switches in the way that the tactile bump starts high up the key press, but those switches aren't without their flaws.

IMO if you want Alps, get Alps (or Matias)

>> No.62480209

>>62472329
Well you can pick up a 60% PCB with underglow SMDs presoldered for like, <30USD (GH Satan or similar) so if you're building a cheapish custom board it's not really more expensive to have as a feature..

Gaming boards and the big brands like to use it as a marketing tool and upsell their products because they come with their own software for controlling it, and the 16.whatever million colour thing is bogus anyway.

Personally I like underglow, I think on a nice board in an aluminium case it looks nice to have a subtle glow running around the edge or underneath. It's definitely not a deal breaker though.

Backlighting I can take or leave, I've had it once and kept it turned off most the time as it's distracting when gaming at night. I'll still use in-switch LEDs for Caps Lock and Scroll Lock if applicable, and maybe an LED under the Function key

>> No.62480417

>>62479987
Yes it is, great caps, great switches, white backlights, it's actually insane for the price (I paid $60 for it on taobao).

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>>62479987
It's easily the best value for money I've ever had in a keyboard

>> No.62481215

>>62477534
They are pretty good. After using them gateron brown feel like a linear switch with a barely perceptible bump.

>> No.62483465

>>62479429
That's they keycap set I'm thinking of getting for my tada68 eventually. Is the short shift common in sets?

>> No.62483570

>Budget
<$100
>Location
USA
>Switch
Not sure which switch but leaning toward clear switches. Want something with some tactile and resistance but not too much. Doesn't need to be silent but no loud noise.
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
80%
Don't care for backlight.
As far as aesthetics goes, something classic styled or vaporwave "groovy" would be preferred.

>> No.62483736

>>62483570
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2754
This is what you're looking for.

>> No.62484465

>>62483465
Depends on the set, but most premium sets include it. Obviously, the enjoyPBT set that I'm using, as do most EnjoyPBT sets, include the 1.75u right shift.

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>>62483736
>side print
>doubleshot

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such a shit selection.

>> No.62485225

Are clear switches not that popular? I tried some keyboards out at a store and I like clear best, but I cant really find a wide range of keyboards.

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why is the hhkb the best keyboard my dudes?

>> No.62485280

>>62485225
Clears haven't received any marketing, so they're not mainstream popular.
The only switches that are really common are reds, browns and blues because consumers are dumb and need products that can be advertised with a single word (Gaming, tactile and clicky respectively).

>> No.62485346

>>62485280
so should i just take whatever i can find at this point?

>> No.62485366

>>62485346
Ducky has a decent selection of keyboards with clears

>> No.62485499

>>62485258
eh, it's fine but I wish someone would make a 65% programmable board with 55g topres

>> No.62485532

>>62485499
by programmable I mean be able to use the capacitance as an analog axis input for games and music editors

>> No.62485563

>>62485258
It isn't, but if you really do like topre you might want to get in on this. There's only 1 left now - three of them have been sold recently, one to me :)
ebay.co.uk/itm/122703510161

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What do you guys think of this? Cooler Master ProL with Cherry MX Browns. It's my first mechanical keyboard, and now I understand the hype.

>> No.62485657

>>62485573
I don't know why anyone likes browns

>> No.62485760

>>62485563
$48 shipping
Life is pain.

>> No.62485779

>>62485657
Because they're the jack of all trades, and normies seem to prefer that to things that do one thing well for some reason.

>> No.62486140

>>62485657
Marketing

>> No.62486253

i have WASD MX Browns :^^^^^^^^^)

>> No.62486291

>>62485563
wow thats literally a 2 hour drive from me. im tempted to cop this

>> No.62488080

>>62479987
Well it's up to you to decide if you can live without the numpad. If yes, then the TADA68/Saber68 is definitely your best bet for that layout.

>> No.62488132

>>62485573
Shitty ABS keycap, but otherwise pretty solid board. Also look at the Pro M for its rare layout.

>>62485657
The fact is, if you're switching from rubber dome, then any mechanical switch would be a huge improvement. MX Brown is perfectly fine for what it is: A lesser but more silent MX Blue.
And that CM board is never gonna be anyone's endgame anyway.

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>>62485657
All non-clicky tactiles are shit because they think a curved bump feels better than the sharp bump of clicky tactiles.

Look at the force curve for browns and clears next to blues. Fucking disgusting. Feels like shit.

>> No.62488633

>>62488527
wish there was a graph that included shit like beam/buckling spring topres, scissor switch and rubber dome

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>>62488527
What about whites?

>> No.62489574

>>62485573
>Cooler Master
CM has the best legend aesthetic. Font is clean, small and centered perfectly.
I absolutely loathe legends with huge text on them.

>> No.62489962

Any good gaming keyboard?

>> No.62489986

>>62489962
Anything made by Razer is pretty much unbeatable

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>>62453385
Anyone know of any good doubleshot translucent keycaps for around/under $30 without any gaudy fonts?
I've been eyeing some Vortex doubleshot PBT caps, but I was wanting to see if there's any decent chink caps for cheaper.

Right now, I'm using some $5 ebay doubleshot "PBT" (probably ABS) caps, wanting an upgrade from these things, mainly only using them since that, though they're thin, they're textured, which is a LOT better than the painted caps many backlit keyboards come with. Thickness aside, they font is also horrendous on them as well.

>> No.62490314

>>62489962
CM Masterkeys boards are pretty decent.

>> No.62490340

>>62488527
>I don't like it so it is shit.
You people really lack self-awareness huh? You don't even realize what a walking cliche you are.

>> No.62490449

>>62489962
None, since no company has taken the initiative to halve the spacebar and add a thumbstick with linear 360 degree movement.

>> No.62490486

>>62490449
Isn't Razer's gamepad thing with mechanical switches close enough to that?

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>>62489962
If you mean gaming keyboard as in something with those "speed" silver switches or roamer G switches, meh, kinda
But a "gaming" keyboard doesn't yield any real difference over most any other mechanical keyboard. Gaming's just a buzzword to sell more of them.
Take this from someone who HAS a gaming keyboard. Virtually no difference between my Razer Blackwidow X vs most any other clicky keyboard that makes it a "gaming" keyboard.
If you ignore the keycaps, it's just as good for typing as something like a DAS keyboard, and vice versa.
Now, if it has features you want like media controls or lighting, sure, but when it comes to gaming, you're not gonna notice much of a difference. With gaming, it's down to the switches, and that's more preference.
People often recommend red switches because how light they are. Personally, I like blues for gaming since the tactile bump helps me feel for when I can press the key again if I really need to spam it.
Now a gaming KEYPAD is a different thing.

>> No.62491500

Bit of an amateur when it comes to keyboards, I've had 3 mechanical keyboards in my time, a poker, a ducky zero, and some other one I can't even remember the name of. Just ordered a shine 6, did I dun goofed? My autist lair is kept dark and even though I am a quick typist when I am laid watching something and not in the correct sitting position I often hit the wrong key when typing with one hand so I wanted it to light up.

>> No.62493162

Support /mkg/, Italian guy here.
After weeks of indecision, while wandering around the italian version of craigslist I found a 1990 IBM Model M (coiled wire, two parts keycaps with black and grey lettering), with the italian layout I so hardly wanted, in seemingly mint conditions for €70 plus €15 shipping, and so I bought it. Now it's on the way, pictures when it will arrive.
I know €85 ($101) is quite a lot for an old Model M but, beside the fact I have yet to find an IBM-made buckling spring in Italian layout, if I wanted literally anything else that was new and half decent (like for instance an Unicomp, or a Filco, or a Leopold, or a Matias) I would have ended up paying at least €150 ($180).
So, my question is: did I do good or I got memed hard?

>> No.62493786

>>62493162
They're loud. If your living arrangement can accommodate that then you did good. I enjoyed my time on a buckling spring keyboard

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Anyone tried one of these ? I ordered it out of curiosity but I don't know what to expect from the proprietary switches.

>> No.62494196

>>62493786
I should be fine for the most part. I'll keep my old rubberdome for typing late at night if it comes out to be just *too* loud. I was interested in build quality and typing experience: I hope they'll be as good as they can get.

>> No.62494302

>>62493162
STOP


check unicomp warehouse liquidations page. They have brand new sealed IBM branded Model Ms in Italian American layout

>> No.62494363

>>62494302
>check unicomp warehouse liquidations page
Checked.
>They have brand new sealed IBM branded Model Ms in Italian American layout
No such thing available.

Beside, Unicomp's oversea shipping costs $60, it takes ages, and then I should have to deal with customs and taxes and shit. Buying from them would create more problems than it would solve.

>> No.62494765

>>62494363
Yes there is. The Latin American ones are the same thing, just ask Unicomp for the Italian keycaps

>> No.62495149

>>62479429
I use my pillow. It's pretty comfy.

>> No.62495512

>>62494765
>Beside, Unicomp's oversea shipping costs $60, it takes ages, and then I should have to deal with customs and taxes and shit. Buying from them would create more problems than it would solve.
This still applies: if you consider the VAT (22%) I would have to spend when the shipping hits customs, and ignore any possible ulterior custom fee, buying from Unicomp would make sense only if their keyboard would cost me less than $22.79 ((keyboard+shipping)+22%<keyboard I've bought), and I'd still have to wait a month for the keyboard to arrive instead of a few days.

>> No.62495593

>>62488527
maybe for mx tactiles, but the good tactiles are all topre or ALPS

>> No.62495788

Have any of you tried building your own keyboards? I see on /mechanicalkeyboards/ now that they all do that, a year ago all they would post are your usual photos of shines and the likes now it's gone full autist hobby mode.

>> No.62495956

>>62495788
why would I build from scratch when it's cheaper to buy a kb and then just desolder the switches and solder in my own

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>>62495788
none of that wiring autism

>> No.62496019

>>62491238
>Razer
Vomit

>> No.62496250

>>62495593
>ALPS

>> No.62496269

>>62496250
have you not used Orange or Salmon?

>> No.62496303

>>62496269
I have 30 year old salmon alps i need to fix up. They're mush atm, looking into buying new springs

>> No.62496337

>>62494122
>Anyone tried one of these ? I ordered it out of curiosity but I don't know what to expect from the proprietary switches.
hmmm

>HORI Original Mechanical Micro Switch
>Designed for short travel distance (1.5 mm) and high speed response.
It will feel like shit anon. Worse than laptop keyboards.

>> No.62496340

>>62496303
there are these Koreans who sell both MX and ALPS springs on ebay, but haven't tried them

>> No.62496365

>>62453823
this is so sad. that desk. that shirt. dat physique., dat chair. that broken plastic crap. that shut window. dat datahand.

>> No.62496448

>>62496365
At least he can sell that data hand for 10 times what he paid for it

>> No.62496561

I bought the Vortex Race 3 and absolutely love it.

>> No.62496588

>Budget
$100
>Location (continent at least)
Canada
>Preferred switch type
Blue
>Layout
normal
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
Don't care
>Previous/current keyboards
$5 trash

Preferably a more subtle looking one, thanks.

>> No.62496763

>>62495956
>>62496003

Because you're a pleb if you don't build your own from scratch silly.

>> No.62496824

>>62453385
F

>> No.62496849

>>62496561
Well aside from weird top row keycap size, it really is a good board.
If you're into low-profile case, of course.

>> No.62496870

>>62496588
Magicforce 108

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>>62496763
>Caring about what strangers on the internet think about you
Now who's the plebeian?
If I want a weird layout, like a 60% with arrow keys or a 96-key, then sure, I'll build one with parts from Taobao/Ali.
Otherwise, it's usually easier and sometimes cheaper to change the switches of a pre-built board.

>> No.62496927

>>62496003
Where can I get a case like that?

>> No.62497018

>>62495788
no they are still plebs.
My keyboard features:
mini touch screen
two speakers
one microphone
rj11 and rj45 connectors
infrared transceiver
radio 136-174 MHz transceiver
wifi
huge battery with more than 14 autonomy (depending on usage)
programable firmware
runs a mini distro with GNU tools

every single feature has his own layer and if they have some type of output they display it on that mini screen. No RGB keys do.

>> No.62497052

>>62497018

It doesn't have it's own keyboard?

>> No.62497154

>>62496337
Actual travel length is 3mm. 1.5mm is actuation distance.

From what I gather, it looks like the switch are slightly "shorter" black switch, but I'm still pretty curious to how that feel.

>> No.62497312

>>62496588

Ducky zero / one should be in that budget.

>> No.62497357

>>62496019
T b h family, I've hardly noticed a difference between it and the Cherry blues from my old Rosewill. Glad they moved away from kailh. Been working just fine for over a year now.

Also, can I just say, they're also getting significantly less gaudy than companies like Logitech and Corsair.

>> No.62497383

>>62497154
have you read the reviews? it's mushy.
hope you bought it from a place that accepts returns..

>> No.62497467

>>62496763
t. pleb who can't even desolder their switches and can only solder them

>> No.62497475

>>62497467

I can't even solder them.

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Don't suppose there's anything special about this old Cherry board? Was a bit surprised to find Cherry switches in our production environment. At least I could try out MX Blacks for a bit.

>> No.62497517

Is it common for cheap keyboards to have scratched keys already? Bought a cheap magicforce from amazon and the spacebar and windows key have scratches. I'm wondering if amazon sold me a used keyboard.

>> No.62497535

>>62497478
People just scrap the keycaps from them since they are the best ABS keycaps you could've bought. Now GMK owns the tooling and charges 100 bucks for a set like that

>> No.62497536

>>62497517
how was it packaged

>> No.62497586

>>62497535
So you think there's any point in salvaging anything/the caps from it? Wasn't functioning properly it seemed like and while I wasn't there a guy cut the cord to replace it with a new board.

>> No.62497618

>>62497536
Seemed normal. The keyboard was in a plastic bag, the cable was neatly wrapped up with a twist tie and there was a booklet. The box wasn't banged up at all and looked new.

>> No.62497722

>>62497586
If you want premium ABS you can take them. No point tho when PBT is on a whole other level. You can find those keyboards on ebay for like 10-15 bucks, but the newer ones use different keycaps since cherry doesn't own the tooling anymore.

>> No.62497774

>>62497722
Yeah, figured. Just gonna toss it.

>> No.62497884

>>62494196
It won't be, model F is as good as they can get.

>> No.62498355

>>62497774
The one nice thing about old cherry keyboards is that they are easy to mod. If you plan on building your own keyboard in the future its not a bad idea to practice on it first.

>> No.62498420

>>62497618
it was probably damaged at the factory. some kid tossed it or something was tossed on it and that's how it happened. if it bothers you just get a new one.

>> No.62499021

>>62496340
I'll have to check those out. I usually don't buy off ebay but i really don't have a choice for this item.

>> No.62499029

I want a Dactyl with an aluminium case.

Hypothetically speaking, how would I go about acquiring one?

>> No.62499183

shoutouts to my niggas stuck with linear switches
those shits feel fucking awful

>> No.62499227
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62499227

I cannot find a mech keyboard
- with QWERTZ
- without shitty gimmicks or gaymer "aesthetics"
- with at least the minimum set of media keys
- for under 100€

fucking gay

>> No.62499429

>>62453385
>press F to pay respects

FF

>> No.62499488

>>62499429
t. Browns.

Mine are doing the same thing. Going to repalce them with whites or some ALPS

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62499600

I'm looking for a cheap way to get started with specialty tactile switches, and happened to find this little menace for a whopping $30 on Amazon. Now, a price that low is obviously a red flag, but if I'm going to swap out the switches anyway, would it still be crazy to try it out? Asking for a friend

>> No.62499611

>>62499227
Casekind.de
There are a couple duckys that fit those requirements.

>> No.62499624

>>62499611
I guess you mean caseking

I'll take a look

>> No.62499779

>>62499227
https://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Beleuchtete-mechanische-deutsches-Tastaturlayout/dp/B01CNXNFFS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1505765068&sr=8-4

? I mean, literally 10 seconds on Amazon.

>> No.62499835

>>62499779
thanks

found a few for cheap on ebay

>> No.62500122

>>62499600
Go for it, its just $30 anyway

>> No.62500311

>>62499600
What brand of switches?

>> No.62500414

How is a Rosewill 9000V2 for $80?

>> No.62500508

Opinions on Holtites?

>> No.62500519

>>62500311
Most likely outemu. I doubt they care enough to use gaterons

>> No.62500546

>>62500414
They used to be rebranded Filco keyboards. The new ones are still made by the Filco OEM Diatec, but its a different PCB. For 80 bucks its not that bad

>> No.62500617

>>62500546
Nigga what

Costar is the Taiwanese company that makes the boards, Diatec is the Japanese company that buys and distributes them and Filco is just a brand name.

>> No.62500623

>>62500508
Are you a fag, if so then they are meant for you.

>> No.62500664

>>62500617
Thats what I meant to say. But still you used to be able to switch filco and rosewill controllers since they were the same costar controller. Now its a totally different one.

>> No.62500814
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So fucking excited to get my hands on this short throw topre keyboard with brand new 55g low profile domes

My HHKB's just became irrelevant.

>> No.62500879 [DELETED] 

>>62497884
Model F has an obsolete layout tho.

>> No.62500896
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>>62500879
mine does the job

>> No.62500946

>>62500896
I was thinking about the XT without remembering there were other Model F.

Beside, what difference does it make? Mechanically they're identical.

>> No.62500999

>>62500946
There's a significant difference in feel between AT's, XT's, F122's, and 4704's
IMO the feel is as follows

4704 > XT > AT > F122

>> No.62501021

>>62500999
Oh and Bigfoots are similar to an XT, and the F104's are similar to F122's.

I always forget about those two.

>> No.62501124

>>62500999
>>62501021
>There's a significant difference in feel
I'm curious and I'd like to know more about this.

Also, is it safe to say that a second generation Model M is 98% there compared to the rest of the mechanical keyboard market?

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>>62500814
Mine's still superior.

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>>62501124
My theory is that it comes down to how tight the internals are held together. The F122's, AT's, and basically every other type of Model F that isn't a 4704 all have a greater surface area due to the F Keys being at the top, therefore there's more of the internals that aren't pushed together by the metal clips surrounding the edges of the keyboard (all the keys towards the middle of the board)
The 4704's are much wider yet vertically narrower so they seem to be held together much tighter. On my f107 I can feel the spring vibrate every time I actuate the key, it's a lot less noticeable on every other Model F I've used. (f122, xt, and at)

As for the Model M's, their only downfall is that they use membranes, but even then they seem to be more reliable than Cherry boards and cherry clones - you tend to see a lot of people on forums having to desolder and replace switches. M's and F's just seem to carry on working.
So yes, I'd take a second gen, and even the late Lexmark models over a modern Cherry or cherry clone board.

>> No.62501300

>>62501283
Quick correction to this comment, the F keys on the AT's and XT's aren't at the top however the internal assembly is still much deeper than on a 4704

>> No.62501362

>>62501283
>So yes, I'd take a second gen, and even the late Lexmark models over a modern Cherry or cherry clone board.
This confirms I made the right call. That day I tried a cherry mx brown keyboard I really thought I had to look for alternatives because they felt like shit: tactile my ass and I'm sure blues wouldn't have been much better. I just wonder how they became such an industry standard if they feel so rough under the fingers.

>> No.62501411

>>62501362
Definitely made the right call, MX Browns are basically the worst cherry switches (maybe with the exception of MX Blacks). Blues are a lot better in terms of tactility, but they sound cheap as fuck. I think because Cherry continued to make keyboards from the 90's through till now whereas alps died a death contributed to their success. Plus their keycaps are absolutely everywhere it'll be hard to replace them as the standard.

>> No.62502029

>>62453768
switch cleaner?

>> No.62502071

>>62501411
what is your criteria for worst switch?

>> No.62502200

Redpill me on gatistotles. How difficult are they to acquire? I heard they're a direct upgrade to gateron blues, is that true? I might mod my tada68 assuming it's possible to get my hands on some.

>> No.62502237

>>62502200
Aristotles haven't been made in decades so you need to buy some NOS ones for at least 50 cents per switch, then swap the stems into a Gateron housing which might not fit because tolerances.

>> No.62502797
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62502797

>tfw fell for the cherry mx brown meme

>> No.62502870

>>62502237
Nice, so not worth it basically

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62503448

>>62502870
It is worth it tho, I just built mine >>62453994 and they feel and sound great. They are more tactile than a gateron green, sound much better and don't have the wobble issue gaterons usually have.

Zealistotles are better tho, for some reason zeal's transparent housing sound nicer. Even for gatistotles you have to choose the correct gateron housing, as some models have a thinner contact leaf (non-clicky gaterons I think, or maybe just older generation gaterons), and wont sound the same.

>> No.62503478

>>62503448
put up a video with you typing on them

>> No.62503608

>>62455843
Put your safety on

>> No.62503656

>>62500814
can you pop a key? does it also have scissor switches along with or just straight topre? the smaller keys have topre as well? idk if im willing to replace my hhkb for this

>> No.62503679

>>62503656
>>62500814
just realized you posted the stock photo but whenever you do get it can you take pics and all that

>> No.62503700

>>62502797
I was gonna post something to make you feel better, but Cherry Browns really are the worst switch. I'd take an Outemu Brown before I try Cherry's shit.

>> No.62503792

>>62479429
wait, where the hell are the F keys?
>yes, i'm new

>> No.62503860

>>62501411
Am I the only one who likes browns for being almost silent and still tactile.

If someone sat next to me and started typing on blues, I would smash the keyboard over their head.

>> No.62503910
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62503910

>>62502797
>tfw I was going to fall for the "jack of all trades" meme
>tfw I eventually tried it and decided to avoid it

>> No.62504036

>>62503478
The bald britbong made a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTzGWw2L4IU

>> No.62504061

>>62503860
No, there's plenty of people like you who think browns, blues and reds are the only MX-type switches that exist.

>> No.62504782

Theres a recycling center about three hours away from me that has a whole bunch of old keyboards. From the pictures I see lots of old XT model Fs. Should I even bother?

>> No.62504798

>>62504782
yeah

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>>62502797
>tfw have an AEK with orange ALPS, the true jack of all trades switch

>> No.62505468

my ducky one came with some nice orange keycaps. anyway to get some more in the same color?

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>>62505468

>> No.62505532

>>62504036
not him but got an unlucky dice roll with an old chicony and it has some aristotles in it
is it worth it to desolder the switches, and solder in zeliostotles

>> No.62506008

What are those things that connect to the backspace key and the space key and the shift key? The things attached to the metal bar. I've lost three of them and now it's kinda weird to hit some of them, but I've made do.

>> No.62506015

>>62506008
Stabilizer inserts?

>> No.62506070

>>62506015
Thanks dude

>> No.62506081

>>62506070
No worries
Also the metal bars are Costar stabilizers
Cherry stabilizers go under the plate and have "dummy switches" instead of inserts

>> No.62506181

>>62506081
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

>> No.62506383

have any of you tried the plum 84/87? how are topre clones? looking for something that has lower actuation compared to blues

>> No.62506662
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62506662

Didn't know Turtle Beach sold keyboards until a couple of days ago, much less an actually-decent one. Can't believe these go for only $50 brand-new, Turtle Beach have got to be losing money on these. Loving these Cherry MX Blues so far.

>> No.62507001

>>62454698
No one else has nice volume controls.
Please prove me wrong.

Key-based volume controls need not apply, rotary encoders only.

>> No.62507038

>>62507001
Das 4's big red knob is superior, along with the board itself having a standard layout instead of Corsair's shitty bottom row.

>> No.62507087

>>62507038
>Costs more than 33% an equivalent Corsiar
Yeah nah.
K70LUX is only AUD$149
Das4 is AUD$239

I'm not paying more money for a worse keyboard.

>> No.62507107

>>62507087
That just because Australian vendors are scam artists who make up the prices as they go along. In the real world, they cost the same.

>> No.62507629

>>62503679
Yeh mate when it arrives I will post pics

>> No.62507635

>>62502071
Scratchy, lack of tactility or smoothness, binding etc

>> No.62507689

>>62506383
65g domes are very similar to topre. The rest are meh but still superior to MX

>> No.62508180

Bought some o rings to try and quieten my MX Black keyboard

>> No.62508192

>>62502797

Why would you pick browns? The colour is ugly.

Objectively though as I've owned all 4 of the main ones they are better for general use than blacks.

>> No.62508218

>>62508192
well rounded meme. should have gotten speeds.

>> No.62508906

Does anyone know what mechanical keyboard is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4n5EicKqvg

Makes such a satisfying sound

>> No.62508916

>>62508906
this is*

or what switches is he using

>> No.62508920

>>62500814
>ISO enter
>No right shift
>Tiny backspace
You'll go back to hhkb in no time

>> No.62508952

>>62508906
Ducky yellow edition. Probably mx browns

>> No.62509092

>>62508218

You mean whites or greens.

>> No.62509138

>>62502797
Well atleast its the best cherry switch since clears are fucking heavy and grainy, and will cap you wpm at 80

>> No.62510284

>>62506662
You can get cherry mx keyboards for 30 bucks, so I doubt they're losing any money

>> No.62510296

>>62507001
I like the ones Ducky has

>> No.62510296,1 [INTERNAL] 

If you are looking for the best mechanical keyboard under 50, I can recommend you Redragon K552. I started using it after reading this post: https://dmarket.com/blog/gaming-keyboards-2019/. It's quite good for this price. Try it

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