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/mkg/ - confused italians edition

>Buyer's template:
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Where to Buy:
http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL
>FAQs:
http://pastebin.com/M5w7QtKp
>Use the buyer's template
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Keyset wiki
keypuller.com

Previous Thread >>57932424

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>57948302

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;_;

>> No.57948881

>>57948336
Happen to have stock mx clears to compare the weights to?

>> No.57948914

>>57948302
Is there a bigger meme than mechanical keyboards?

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MOD-L: The lightest of the new mod switches with an actuation of 45g. These are said to be between a Cherry Brown and Cherry Clear. I have to disagree with that. I actually find these to feel very similar to Cherry Browns.
. EDIT: I've typed a bit more extensively and did some blind testing with the browns vs the MOD-L and have changed my opinion on the bump. The bump is a little more prominent on the MOD-L, which I believe may be due to the slightly heavier feel of the MOD-L (despite being 45g actuation). When pressed slowly, the tactile bump on the brown has quick onset/offset and feels sharp. In contrast, the tactile bump of the MOD-L has a longer onset/offset and the bump feels quite smooth and drawn out. I wouldn't compare the MOD-L to a topre switch (unlike the MOD-M). In summary, it feels like a slightly heavier Cherry Brown that has been made much smoother and the tactile bump softer, bigger, and more drawn out.

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MOD-M: This feels drastically different compared to MOD-L. With 55g to actuate, these are the middle of the 3 new MOD switches. These have been previously compared to 45g Topre and I would say that's a reasonable comparison. When pressed slowly, it feels similar to the MOD-L but with a more noticeable bump, but one that is still smooth/drawn out. However, in contrast to the MOD-L, when pressed quickly, the MOD-M, retains its tactile bump whereas the MOD-L loses a bit of the bump. This makes it feel significantly more tactile when compared to its lighter counterpart.

Wobble: Both the side to side and vertical wobble are more than that of a Cherry switch from what I can tell. I have only tested these with OEM and cherry profile keycaps (I don't own DSA or SA). The wobble isn't to a degree where I would be deterred from purchasing these switches.

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>>57948954
>55g to actuate
>compared to 45g Topre
>noticeable bump, but one that is still smooth/drawn out
>wobble isn't to a degree where I would be deterred from purchasing

I want. But since I missed out on the Viper V3 I don't even know what I'd put them in.

>> No.57949129

>>57949105
Just get the tada68

145$ and should you not like it you keep the switches and keycaps.

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>>57949105
>Viper V3
what happened with that. They sold out in like three hours, and where a 150 bucks more expensive then last time

>> No.57949150

>>57949138
People ordered 3 at a times.

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>>57949129
>tada68
Maybe sometime. 65% really seems ideal to me. I like having extra keys.

>>57949138
I mean, you summed that up pretty well. It went for sale with no warning in the night and sold out very quickly. It was very poorly run, but you can't say that because keyboard 'culture' is a complete hugbox.

>> No.57949234

>>57949210
Actually the GH thread is like 7 pages of whining and crying so you CAN say that.

It's just that it won't change anything, much like the liberal cucks protesting Trump election

>> No.57949254

>>57949234
link to the thread plz. I wanna read some salt

>> No.57949334

>>57949254
geekhack org/index.php?topic=86087.msg2310808

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>>57949234
>Actually the GH thread is like 7 pages of whining and crying so you CAN say that.
You must have been in a different thread than me.

I saw mostly counter jerking, and people thanking the GB starter for ALL HIS HARD WORK.

>> No.57949404

>>57926615

Called it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRH1ULmbNA

>> No.57949787
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i am so happy, and i don't hate myself :))))) !!!!!!!!!!! :3~

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5hq9oo/we_are_the_second_most_positive_subreddit/


wew lad

>> No.57949843

>>57949787
That's some psycho shit

>> No.57949979

How I can get solarized keycaps?

>> No.57949994

>>57949979
Reincarnate and try again in the next life.

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>>57949979
make them yourself at wasd keyboards :^)

>> No.57950022 [DELETED] 

Is there any cheaper 3D printers that are able to print good quality keycaps

>> No.57950030

>>57949994
>>57950017
hahaa slurp :-D

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>>57950022
>3D printers
>good quality keycaps
>cheap

Not gonna happen buddy. Its much better to use a silicone mold instead. Thats what most of these (((artisan))) keycap makers use

>> No.57950817

I've never owned a mechanical keyboard in my life and I'm considering buying myself one for Christmas. Right now I have my laptop set up on a docking station with a full sized membrane Dell keyboard from years ago and the rubber is disintegrating.

My friend has a Razer Blackwidow I've used before and the switches were fine I guess although a little loud.

Can you recommend me something with a quiet tactile switch, 80%, backlit at under or around $200?

I'm unfamiliar with any brands that aren't gaymer marketed so I have no idea about the reliability of certain sellers.

>> No.57950893

>>57950817
>a quiet tactile switch
You have a few options such as Matias Quiet Clicks, and Topres/their clones. As far as back lighting is concerned there is only one Topre board that does this and it has RGB lighting. Their clones have more options. You can buy them here:

mechanicalkeyboards.com

>> No.57950919

>>57945855
>How much have you spent in total on this hobby?
About $800 of my own money. My first board was another $180, but it was also a gift.

>Most regrettable purchase?
A POK3R that I can't use as my daily driver anymore. Thinking of replacing the clears with something lighter, maybe even replacing the controller and writing some custom firmware. For now, it just sits on a shelf.

>> No.57950970

>>57950893
I'll look there, thanks.

>> No.57951005

>>57950919
Why can't you use it anymore? MX Clears too heavy for daily use?

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Hi /mkg/, first time poster here.

So I'm interested in getting a mechanical keyboard. I love my current keyboard (as in pic) because of the media keys and because of the very high activation force. Problem is my current keyboard came with my last prebuilt in 2006 and it's been through a lot so it's very dirty and the membrane is very beaten up.

So I'm looking for a mechanical keyboard with big dedicated media keys, high activation force and a USB hub. I'd also like a sleek looking classy keyboard.

I've seen a keyboard on massdrop, the Tex Yoda, that looks perfect for me as I like trackpoints. Problem is it's way too expensive and there hasn't been a drop for it in years.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-yoda

Thanks for any help in advance. If there's no suitable keyboard I can always just buy another of the one I'm currently using.

>> No.57951020

>>57950893
>>57950970
Hold on, when I said quiet I just meant something that wasn't overly loud, not out of it's way to be quiet, sorry. A regular tactile switch like Browns or Clears

>> No.57951071

>>57951020
Topres are still some of the best switches out there

>> No.57951158

>>57951019

Congrats, you're getting a Daskeyboard. It has everything you've asked for. Have a nice day.

>> No.57951163

>>57951005
I think it's mostly the cramped layout. I used to like it but now I get wrist pain after 20 minutes, even though I can use my full size with greens just fine. For daily use I've switched to a TKL with Matias quiet clicks.

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>> No.57951944

>>57951019
http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional/

It has a ruler on the bottom

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>>57951944
and a laser etched sticker!

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SHIEEEET

>> No.57952002

>>57951985
what am I looking at and where can I find more

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Guys

>> No.57952010

>>57951968
WOW THEY REALLY DONT MISS ANY DETAIL XD

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>>57952002
Split hhkb bro

HAPPENING

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>>57952004
Oh shit.

That shit's 3D printed

ARE THOSE FUCKING TOPRE CAPS

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I am typing this message (well half of it) on the left hand PCB. Seems to work! Really I need to get the plates sorted now so I can actually use the keyboard since I'm currently just balancing the bendy plastic prototype plate on the circuit board, making it somewhat of a nightmare with springs occasionally flying everywhere. This is the current setup:

Zoom in (real dimensions: 2448 x 2448)Image

I think the case should be simplified to just being the plate suspended above a piece of acrylic:

Zoom in (real dimensions: 1892 x 901)Image

Reason being that due to the PCB being somewhat experimental I don't want people having to spend a load on the case to end up with a £200 paperweight. That's the worst case of course - but it would bring the price into a more justifiable range, and there's always the option of producing the case later on. Any thoughts on this? I hope to hit below £100 for all the parts (PCB fully assembled and flashed) with this plan.

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PCB

>> No.57952164

>mfw seiden is not replying because he cum'd himself to death

F

>> No.57952229
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spent 40 dollars on this. surprisingly nice blue switches

>> No.57952296

>>57952229
Are those the nasty Tai-hao keycaps, or did they fix that horrid coating of theirs

>> No.57952462

>>57948912
Topre never made their own keyboards, instead manufacturing switches for other companies, until a test run in 1999-2001, then - after being encouraged by decent sales - stuck to it.

Buckling springs and mechanical switches will, generally, age better than Topre - however, their weight and sound are not to my preference.

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>>57951985
>>57952004
>>57952019
>>57952047
>>57952060

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>>57952060
those resistors tho

>> No.57952958

Anyone here know where I can get a Ducky Shine 5 MX Brown in Ireland?

>> No.57952993

>>57952958
Can you not buy it from Britain?

>> No.57953018

Just ordered the massdrop Realforce 55g white
what do i expect

>> No.57953036

>>57951944
god I fucking hate das

>> No.57953041

>>57952993
Yeah, but where from? I looked at the pastebins and most of them are either sold out or are like €200.

There is one I found for €157 but it's Open Box and it states either it's been returned by a previous owner or had been repaired by the manufacturer, would that be safe enough to buy that one then?

>> No.57953053

>>57953018
good feeling of oneness with cup rubber

>> No.57953082

>>57953041
you aren't trying that hard m8

https://www.advancetec.co.uk/ducky-shine-5-rgb-brown-cherry-mx-switch-mechanical-keyboard-dksh1508st-bukadaat1.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ducky-shine-5-mechanical-keyboard-brown-cherry-mx-switch-rgb-lighting-abs-double-shot-keycaps-kb-180-dk.html

this one is an openbox
https://www.cclonline.com/product/220139/NoMfgCode/Clearance-Keyboards/Ducky-Shine-5-Cherry-MX-Brown-Mechanical-Keyboard-w/-RGB-Illumination-Open-Box-/KBD1264X/

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>>57953018
No chattering over 30 million times

>> No.57953175

>>57953082
Yeah, the first two are €200+ which is a bit too much for me.

The 3rd one was the one I was looking at, are the Shine 5's not that prone to breaks and shit, I asked here in like July and anons said that they have good build quality, so it would likely be a returned keyboard that has no issues?

>> No.57953191

>>57953119
>>57953053
Sweet
Fab 2017, gotta be patient

>> No.57953250
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>>57953175
A shine 5 costs $150 here in the US, or around £120 (not including taxes). If you think the keyboard was cheap to begin with then you have to look elsewhere

>> No.57953257

Should I get a ducky YOTM or a Topre realforce RGB?

>> No.57953301
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>>57953257
It isn't that hard of a choice mate

>> No.57953888
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>>57953257
If topre is in the question, it is always the answer

>> No.57954450

Who fell for the meme Topre?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDZSh2gmKUU
It's not the keycaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_aKXBeOjuI
HHKB is still the way to go but I envy the sliders.

>> No.57954481

>>57951968
I wouldn't mind an engraving.
>>57953257
Topre, but not the Typeheaven or Typeheaven RGB.

>> No.57954592

>>57953257
Neither

>> No.57955127

this is a serious post

what is the loudest switch so that I may piss off the most normies in my morning java lecture

>> No.57955175

>>57955127
https://youtu.be/hK2cnxXauls?t=40

>> No.57955274

>>57955127
Loudest would be beam spring followed by Omron ambers and capacitive buckling springs, then normal buckling springs and some alps switches

>> No.57955492

>>57955127
I think the Preronic keyboard has a speaker that can be used to play sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYBr2LcRdr8

>> No.57955655

So I'm not sure if my Rosewill RK-9000 is dying or not, but it looks like it loses connection to my PC every once in a while for little to no reason. It's hard to test exactly what's wrong, because it seems to happen sporadically.

I've had this keyboard for a few years now, and was wondering if it's just more worth it to get a full new one instead of trying to fix this one.

Currently looking at ASDF keyboards for dat customization.

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>>57955655
is it a v1 or v2?
Also I'd pass on wasd keyboards because of their shitty keycaps. Their barebone keyboards are actually pretty good and I'd go for those then get some good keycaps on massdrop for like 30 bucks

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>>57953257
Get the RGB

>> No.57955925

>>57955737
It's a V1, which is why I'm thinking of just getting a new one anyway. I think I've had this one for about five years now.

>> No.57956022

>>57955925
that was a common issue on the v1. They fixed it on the v2, but if you want a new keyboard then Ducky is restocking soon so pre-order the one that you like before they are gone
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=1&switch=&size=&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=in_stock_pre&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off

>> No.57956066

>>57956022
Thanks for the advice dude, I'm definitely getting in on the Ducky train.

>> No.57956073

So guys, some company is selling Pok3r in Norway... but they are 200 dollars but i need a LAN keyboard. Should i buy or are there any other good 60-75% layouts avaliable with ISO nordic?

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>>57956022
>>57956066
Just bought this guy, might replace the keycaps later, but it looks pretty good as is.

Once again, thanks for the help.

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>>57956186
Interesting choice of colors. I'm more of a white and grey kind of guy

>> No.57956427

>>57956286
I've got a thing for that shade of blue. I did really want sideprint keycaps though, and I hate the way the F keys are colored alternately, so I'm currently looking at alternative keycap sets. Nothing good on Massdrop, so I might have to shell out a pretty penny to get something nice.

>> No.57956488

right now I'm happy w/ my pok3r but every time I see a hhkb I get hard...... how long do they last and would there be enough of a difference to justify it?

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>>57956488
HHKBs are end game

>> No.57956594
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>>57956427
just wait a bit. They usually get a new set every other week, so with a bit of patience I'm sure you'll find the one that you like

>> No.57956625

>>57956548
I really think I'll treat myself with one this Christmas they just look too good

>> No.57956733

Anyone got any recs for white keycaps

>> No.57956756

>>57956733
gateron

>> No.57956762

>>57956733
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=337

>> No.57956859

Is the unicomp classic worth it? I havnt been able to find any buckling spring keyboards by a different manufacturer?
http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB4044A

>> No.57956879

>>57948362
Where to get these keycaps?

>> No.57956926
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>>57956859
no shit cause the only one making buckling spring over membrane with the original tooling is Unicomp. That being said you could buy a used model M, or go for the Unicomp reproduction

>> No.57957126

>>57956859
>>57956926
The unicomp does offer USB and I think 6kro. A lot more usable than the original Model M.

>> No.57957171

>>57957126
nope its still 2kro, but modifiers don't count towards the limit which shouldn't be a problem when typing, coding, or playing some games. I recently played mirror's edge on a model m and it was just fine

>> No.57957193

>>57951944
Is this abs or pbt

If pbt I'm sold

>> No.57957210

>>57957193
Shitty garbage thin ABS that breaks easily.

Replace the keycaps.

>> No.57957228

>>57957193
its pad printed abs. They couldn't even bother to laser etch it.

>> No.57957232

>>57957171
Oh. That's a shame.

>> No.57957235

>>57957210
Well fuck that shoots the price up

I would rather just get a decent board that comes with pbt to save dosh though a dedicated media center is needed

>> No.57957241

>>57957235
>decent board that comes with pbt
>dedicated media center
Pick one.

>> No.57957256

>>57957235
>>57957241
>decent board
>dedicated media center
Pick one.
Ftfy

>> No.57957264

>>57957241
I noticed some ducky have convenient buttons above the numpad

>> No.57957266

>>57957235
>I would rather just get a decent board that comes with pbt to save dosh though a dedicated media center is needed
the closest you can get is a Ducky One, but it only has dedicated volume controls and a play/pause button

>> No.57957419

Why are keyboards still designed with scroll lock and pause again?

>> No.57957446

>>57957419
IBM and Microsoft holdovers.

>> No.57957458

>>57957419
Why do people not use google
I mean its 666+666+666+6+6+6 people

>> No.57957469

>>57957446
They could easily be replaced by media keys in these recently designated boards

>> No.57957479

>>57957458
Why even discuss things or have books when you have google

>> No.57957482

>>57957469
They "could" but PC standards are pretty much set in stone. At least ones from the 80s/90s.

>> No.57957518

Where can I get me some Japanese keycaps that aren't shit

>> No.57957521

>>57957482
No one gives a single fuck about what apple does to their keyboards, or about Dell put printscreen which everyone uses on the function layer, BELLOW the pause button.

I don't know whether /g/ elitists would get upset if they took away these literally who keys or it's the normies who make up the majority of market in the first place who would be upsetted. Also the context menu key is useless, or at least needs to work in context of your cursor.

>> No.57957559

Dots on the spacebar on ducky boards are ugly asfuck why do they do this

>> No.57957573

>>57957559
don't worry they come with a replacement if you don't like it

>> No.57957583

>>57957521
>No one gives a single fuck about what apple does to their keyboards,
Apple is pretty much irrelevant in professorial/enthusiast circles.

>or about Dell put printscreen which everyone uses on the function layer, BELLOW the pause button
No idea about that. Didn't know they made a new keyboard.

>> No.57957804

>>57951019
Sweet Jesus that keyboard. It may have been a shitty membrane keyboard but god dammit it was my shitty membrane keyboard.

>> No.57957841

I see people saying the ABS on the Das Professional are actually decent, what did they mean by this?

On the das website they say at least the keys are "laser etched" so I imagine this means they aren't fading instantly like typical ABS.

>> No.57957885

>>57957841
Don't matter if it's PBT or ABS. Shitty legends are shit.
There's various dyes and there's also laser etching. Either way DasKeyboard are like the Beats of keyboards. A lot of marketing for a mediocre product.

>> No.57957894

>>57957885
Ducky it is then

Cheaper too

>> No.57957899
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57957899

>>57957841
my dell rubber dome keyboard has laser etched abs keycaps. Its nothing to be proud of. Also abs develops a gross shiny texture after a couple months unlike pbt

>> No.57957907

>>57957899
Oh fuck that is the last thing I want actually

I don't know if it's cum or what but that shit develops quickly and I will be glad to have PBT lined up against it

>> No.57957942

>>57957907
>cum or what
AFAIK it's the plastic becoming smooth.
PBT is a harder (and brittle, so it breaks when struck with a hammer more readily) plastic so it retains its texture for longer.
ABS wears down quickly because it is soft and begins to shine faster, as you would see in >>57957899
It's shiny because it reflects light uniformly like a CD or when you coat paper heavily with graphite.

>> No.57957974

>>57957899
sandblast that shit senpai

>> No.57957977

>>57957942
PBT also warps really badly. Not much of an issue on keycaps.

High quality ABS lasts a long time.

>> No.57957981
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>>57957899
Actually seeing people prefer this shit it's like fucking stockholm syndrome

>> No.57958011
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57958011

>>57957977
I don't think it would last as long as PBT for keycaps.
https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/whoops-i-did-it-again-hhkb-pro-1-t6955.html
It would get worn down like this.
Granted it was over many years and the keycaps are still in functional condition, but the PBT still has some texture on it so it has worn down less, unlike the spacebar.
I think any ABS would last a while it just isn't the prettiest or feeliest.
I have heard that Topre doesn't PBT for spacebars because of warping but IBM might have figured it out with their beamspring and buckling spring boards.

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57958025

>>57957981
>lurking r/mk to make fun of them on /mkg/
I like u

>> No.57958034

>>57957981
ABS does have it's pros though. The legends on ABS caps are much better than on PBT. You can get a lot sharper legends with doubleshot ABS. Really noticeable with the backlight key caps.

>> No.57958048

>>57958034
>legends
Why fall for this meme?
Also besides the little fuzziness on dyesub they're pretty great.

>> No.57958050

>>57957977
My model m from 1988 still looks brand new, but then again those are some of the best PBT keycaps out there

>> No.57958060

>>57958048
>meme
Nothing about it is a "meme".

Ducky and Realforce use doubleshot ABS on their RGB keyboards for that very reason.

>> No.57958087

>>57958060
the meme is legends
On my HHKB JP (with legends) I can feel something to the right of the enter legend.
I don't know if this would exist if there were no legend.
It's pretty annoying so I spent $50 to get a HHKB from Japan with that little cover and some mechanical pencils.

>> No.57958103

>>57958087
>the meme is legends
You're suggesting blank key caps aren't a meme?

>> No.57958107

>>57958087
$50 in shipping to USA, that is

>> No.57958126
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57958126

>>57958103
>blank key caps are a meme

>> No.57958148
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good night /mkg/

>> No.57958161
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>>57958126
Come on anon.

>> No.57958182

>>57958148
fuck off

>> No.57958222

Cheapest mechanical keyboard with customizable LEDs?
I got a TOMOKO one recently and it's great, but the LEDs are stuck in a rainbow config which bugs me

>> No.57958237

>>57958222
nice trips, but I think the cheapest I can find would be the anne pro for 80 bucks

>> No.57958246

>>57958222
magicforce 68 with gaterons?

>> No.57958248

>>57954450
>that cheap cherry clack sound
disgusting. How is it even topre? Must be using really a really thin membrane or something.

>> No.57958260
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57958260

>>57958222
e-element has limited customization options and is around 70 bucks

>> No.57958283

>>57958248
>>that cheap cherry clack sound
My guess is that it is the result of the case.
I don't think Topre uses a membrane.

>> No.57958296

>>57948302
So whats the best mouse?

>> No.57958439
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57958439

>>57958283
>I don't think Topre uses a membrane
you do know how topres work right?
the rubber dome is there to provide the tactile feedback
>>57953301
>>57948339

>> No.57958457

>>57958439
>rubber dome
It's cup rubber.

>> No.57958492
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57958492

Thanks to the anon that recommended me this keyboard! I was gonna get a shitty Logitech G610 but I am happy I didn't and went with this.

>> No.57958493

>>57957977
>PBT also warps really badly. Not much of an issue on keycaps.
it doesn't warp over time, it's due to trying to run the mold too fast. It's less dimensionally stable as it cools, so you have to account for that in manufacturing and it slows the process down.

>> No.57958508
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57958508

>>57958457
>rubber cup, rubber dome, rubber cone
Whatever you want to call it they all have something in common, a membrane made of rubber

>> No.57958519

>>57958508
So all mechanical switches with a spring are the same?

>> No.57958529

>>57958492
here is a nifty detail that most people don't know, but the v2 is a re-brand of the Filco majestouch

>> No.57958543
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57958543

>>57958439
Topre uses variable capicatance for actuation, not a membrane.
But I think the sheet of rubber you pictured fits some definitions of a membrane.
Like this one.
>>57958508
>>57958519
It can be both.

>> No.57958566
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57958566

guy is selling this for 30 euros

COSTAR CSK-2101

alps switches

din

says it's in great shape

thoughts?

>> No.57958573

>>57958519
what are you even getting at? I never said that all keyboards with a membrane are the exactly same, its just that they all have a membrane. Just like how some cars have a four-cylinder engine, not all those engines are exactly the same, but they all have four cylinders.

>> No.57958618

>>57956625
Mail order Japanese women are just the best

>> No.57958667

>>57958573
Topre don't use a membrane like membrane keyboards though.

>> No.57958689

>>57958667
According to Google's definition, the rubber sheet of Topre is a membrane, making Topres membrane boards.
I agree that the rubber sheet is unlike some membranes in that it isn't used for actuation.
Just
>membrane like membrane keyboards
sounds kind of funny.

>> No.57958705

>>57958689
Topre membranes have nothing to do with the switch. Keyboards are described by their switch type. Not their spring type.

>> No.57958719

>>57958667
I know, but its still called a membrane.
Think about it like this: Most mammals have nipples, but not all nipples are the same

>> No.57958741

>>57958719
Failed logic.

>> No.57958765

>>57958705
>Topre membranes have nothing to do with the switch
No one is arguing about that. Whats so hard to understand that the rubber sheet in topres is a membrane. The only one going on about spring types is you

>> No.57958766

>>57958741
>a sheet of rubber is a membrane
>Topre has a sheet of rubber
>Topre is a keyboard
>Topre is a membrane keyboard
Yes, Topre's sheet of rubber is for the feel of the key rather than the actuation of it (it uses capacitance and a spring not a sheet of rubber striking another membrane) but it is a membrane keyboard nonetheless.

>> No.57958807

>>57958161
hi /jp/

>> No.57958808

>>57958765
>According to Google's definition, the rubber sheet of Topre is a membrane, making Topres membrane boards.
>No one is arguing about that.
K
>>57958766
So keyboards are described by their springs? News to me.

>> No.57958853
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>>57958808
Are you retarded?

>> No.57958870

>>57958853
Are you? You're the one trying to redefine what a mechanical keyboard is.

>> No.57958892

>>57958870
I'm not, but you don't seem to know what a membrane is.

>> No.57958926

>>57958892
A membrane can be many things. The definition is very broad.

>> No.57958990

>>57958926
I think the dictionary said it pretty well. Why are you so defensive? Its not like pretending the rubber membrane doesn't exist will change the fact that its there

>> No.57959007

>>57958990
Defensive about what? All I said was you're incorrectly calling Topre switches a membrane keyboard.

>> No.57959020

>>57959007
I never called them a membrane keyboard. All what I said is that they had a membrane inside them.

>> No.57959055

>>57959020
And I said you could say that but they aren't membrane keyboards. Do we need to repeat the post chain? You're not the only guy who replied to my post.

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>>57959055
>And I said you could say that
no you kept going on about spring types or whatever it is. Any way, good night mister autismo

>> No.57959119

>>57959090
>Can't read post chain
>calling anyone autismo
Many how fucking underage do you have to be?

>> No.57959263

The fact is, Topre is a chiclet keyboard. It's a nice one with tall keycaps but it's still chiclet at heart.

>> No.57959277

Why doesn't anyone make a buckling spring keyboard that doesn't look like it was made 30 years ago?

>> No.57959304

>>57959277
Dead tech for the most part. Topre being superior plays a part too.

>> No.57960294
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57960294

>>57959304
>Topre being superior

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>>57955127
>>57955175
Chyrosran22 just uploaded a review video of said keyboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRH1ULmbNA

>> No.57960391

>Budget
50-100 dollars CANADIAN
>Location (continent at least)
leaf
>Preferred switch type
cherry mx clear
>Layout
60% ANSI
>Form factor
low profile white
>Backlight
no (negotiable)
>Previous/current keyboards
none

>> No.57961391
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57961391

>>57959304
These threads have turned into a Topre shitfest lately. I guess it's the cognitive dissonance of having bought a 300 dollar keyboard. It MUST be that good, right?

>> No.57961400

>>57961391
>>These threads have turned into a Topre shitfest lately.
they are just defending against the annoying ibm fags

>muh steel
>muh 6 pounds

>> No.57961435

>>57961391
You haven't felt the oneness with cup rubber yet? It's ok anon. Maybe one day.

>> No.57961444

>>57961435
I prefer the D cups, if you know what I mean

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>> No.57961688
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>> No.57962066

>>57961391
What other decent choice do I have if I like light, somewhat tactile switches and hate the high-pitched noise of Cherry Blues?

>> No.57962077

>>57962066
mod-l

except that like any cherry switch, they sound like ass

>> No.57962096

>>57962077
Exactly. I think (hope?) that Topre offers the perfect balance of tactility, sound and lightness for me - however, the HHKB is expensive and the Type-S even more so, which makes it a tough sell (the Realforce is noticeably cheaper, but the HHKB's minimalistic layout and lightness draws me towards it - I move around a lot) I'm still considering it, however.

>> No.57962135
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57962135

>>57962096
>and the Type-S even more so
type-s is overrated

I use a hhkb in an open space and nobody complains.
if anything, I like the thock thock thock a lot, I could type all day.

MUCH depends on the surface you put it on btw.
I know a lot of people like those XXL mousepads, that would probably be the best.

>> No.57962297

>>57958529
Is that good or bad?

>> No.57962309
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57962309

Anyone ITT printed keycaps themselves using a 3D printer yet?

I am currently playing with the thought of acquiring a 3D printer for maximum lulz, I wonder how precise the printer has to be for things like keycaps and casings!?

>> No.57962469
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57962469

>>57952004
Incredible color scheme, maybe even perfect. A good compromise of Das Keyboard and sanity.

>>57951019
>>57949210
>>57961699
>>57961688
>>57961678
>>57961668
>>57961653
>>57958492
>>57958260
>>57956926
>>57956594
>>57956286
>>57956186
>>57952546
>>57952229
>>57952047
>>57952023
>>57952004
>>57949138
>>57948336
I cannot unsee that once you strike out the F out of Shift you are being left with Shit.

>> No.57962476

>>57962135
But doesn't the Type-S silence the *up*stroke and not the downstroke - and thus, make the thock even more pronounced, so to speak?

Also, yes, I know about the sound, that's the joy of case-bottom-mounted switches.

By the way, Anon... your mousepad is full of good taste.

>> No.57962490

what happened to all the white filco minilas, i can't find one for sale anywhere

>> No.57962499

>>57962476
just youtube some sound comparison.

the type-s sounds very muted to me,
I think the thack of the upstroke gives rythm to the thock of the downstroke

there's people in this general with type-s and they love it.

>> No.57962587
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>>57956548
LOL HHKB's are not end game.

>> No.57962599

>>57962587
Ok grandpa

>muh steel

>> No.57962606
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57962606

>>57962599
You don't belong here
Fuck off

>> No.57962620

>>57962499
I think it depends on the surface. I've heard people say that the Type-S is massively quieter and that the Type-S is only slightly quieter. (Also, the Type-S is a slightly better deal near every Christmas as from December 1st to 25th you get the colored keycaps set free if you order in Japan.)

Can someone with the Type-S weigh in?

>> No.57962629

>>57962587
>Has to keep it together with tape

Wow nice solid board you got there gramp

>> No.57962643

>>57962629
That isn't held together by tape you stupid fucking rubber dome cuck, it's to make the door easier to open, there's a manual on how to use the thing inside. The tape acts as pull tabs.

>> No.57962688

>>57962587
>>57962643
>cuck
Woah there kiddo. It's cool and all that you found your dad's old keyboard but calm down.

>> No.57962697

>>57962688
This is a mechanical keyboard thread, gtfo with your rubber dome shit.

BTC 5100 > HHKB

>> No.57962722
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57962722

ART!

>> No.57962730

>>57962697
I feel that rubber dome should be allowed in these generals as well. There are lots of bad rubber domes, but there also very good and rare ones. They should be renamed to keyboard general or something.

I literally lurked ebay once to get a great rubber dome keyboard, just because I love the keys and how silent they are.
99% of them are shit, but some are really good.

>> No.57962732

>>57962722
Not shiny enough 0/10

>> No.57962743

>>57962730
I have no problem with rubber domes, like I said I love the BTC 5100 with the slider switches, they are pretty much on par with topres. What annoys me is when people buy HHKB without having tried any other keyboard and claim they have reached end game.

>> No.57962832

>>57962697
How is Topre not a mechanical? Capacitive switches are a very old idea.
>>57962743
Topre is end game for now. What's better?

>> No.57962855
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>>57962743
>So good that you don't feel the desire to try anything else

But anon, THAT IS the very definition of endgame

>> No.57962871

>>57962832
It's a rubber dome with slider over capacitive PCB keyboard, I don't class that as a mechanical keyboard as it is technically still a rubber dome.
Topre is far from end game. BTC boards which can be found for almost free at recycle centers feel just as good.
As for what's better? Have you not used Alps SKCM blues? Or Buckling spring over membrane, buckling spring capacitive, Honeywell? Beamspring? Selectric?... All of which make the topre switch feel cheap and nasty. Actually use a good amount of switches before you claim you have reached end game.
>>57962855
That makes no sense as you'd have no idea if there were better switches for you out there, which I know there is. Try a beam spring, you'll be selling your shitty rubber domes on ebay the next day.

>> No.57962879

>>57962871
Realforce is a lot better than anything you listed.

Topre also isn't a rubber dome. It's not even a contact switch.

>> No.57962903

>>57962879
LOL no it is not.. Are you honestly suggesting topre is in any way superior to Alps Blue, Buckling spring, Honeywell, and Beamspring?

You have tried NONE OF THEM. Fuck off.

>> No.57962916
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57962916

>it's a grandpa forgot his medicines again episode

>> No.57962922

what is it about topre that makes its users so goddamn fanatical and cult-like

>> No.57962923
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57962923

just got my anne pro this week, comes with gateron blues.
really nice keyboard but the stock keycaps come with a shitty font (they are nice quality though)

60%, bluetooth, PBT caps and gaterons for 80 bucks

>> No.57962936

>>57962916
It's another bunch of weaboo retarded faggots spending ridiculous amounts on RUBBER DOMES again episode
>>57962922
Autism
>>57962923
Good job on not falling for the HHKB meme

>> No.57962940

>>57962903
Topre is the smoothest operating switch I've ever used. Fuck alps man, you're a fucking idiot recommending that.

>Buckling spring
Is nice but heavy. Biggest problem is no good new production.

>Beamspring
Getting Fedora tier here now.

>> No.57962941

>>57962923
What other switches can you get it in?

>> No.57962949

>>57962871
>Actually use a good amount of switches before you claim you have reached end game.
You know, not everybody has to buy a thousand times the same thing over and over again and then claim to have used "a good amount of switches". Some people just visit other peoples homes and get to use their computer for a brief period of time.

Same applies to these fags collecting computer mice.

Nobody needs to know what's inside, that's the beauty of electronics: You pay other people to know the insides and then combine these things together to a fully working product. I couldn't care less about COLORS in switches. Naming switches after colors is like knowing nothing about the world we live in.

You have to deal with other peoples decisions, anon.

>> No.57962953

>>57962940
Topre is far from the smoothest.
Try honeywell
Alps blue is still definitely smooth for a clicky switch
Buckling spring capacitive is extremely smooth too. Buckling spring membrane isn't, but still feels great

The problem is you haven't tried ANY of the switches I've recommended and you still claim topre is the best. You really do not belong here.

>> No.57962965

>>57962949
This is a mechanical keyboard thread, I'd expect everyone to have used multiple switches ESPECIALLY when they think they can call something end game. Most of the people using topre do not belong here. If you've used every switch I mentioned and still prefer topre then fair enough, But I guarantee if you use beamspring, you will not consider using anything else over it.

>> No.57962977

>>57962965
Okay, fair enough. I just wanted to tell you that you seemed far too triggered.

>> No.57962985

>>57962953
>Clicking
Ewwwww

>> No.57962992

Went to a recent DC mechanical keyboard meet in woodley park and got to try out different memes. Gotta say I was not impressed by topre, beam springs and zealios 65g really did though. I wonder why people buy topre, it's not as silent as a rubber domes but feels like one. :thinking:

>> No.57962994

>>57962985
Is that too much for your faggot fingers to cope with?

>> No.57962996
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Lmfao he's fucking mad

>> No.57963001

>>57962992
Holy shit, someone with common sense.
>>57962996
>mac
>HHKB
Yep, I was right. HHKB is literally the beats by dre of the keyboard world. Fuck you.

>> No.57963005

>>57962941
gateron reds, blues or browns
you can also choose between yellow/blue/white case with white caps or black/black

>> No.57963006

>>57962953
>Alps
-Beyonf retard profile. I mean you are talking crippled retard here.
-wobble shitr
-gritty

>honeywell
Pretty much in DIY territory here.

>Buckling spring capacitive is extremely smooth too. Buckling spring membrane isn't, but still feels great
Not as smooth as Topre.

>The problem is you haven't tried ANY of the switches
You keep saying that. Maybe it'll make it true. Probably not though.

The only switches I haven't tried or haven't used enough to really form an opinion are full on Fedora shit like beamspring and hall effect switches.

>> No.57963022

>>57962992
Totally not a samefag

>> No.57963033

>>57963022
What? I've only posted once in this thread.

>> No.57963040

>>57963006
No, I said Alps Blue. You clearly have never tried it. If you think all Alps are the same then you don't belong here.

No not DIY, do you not use deskthority? XMIT has brought hall effect switches back.

Well obviously buckling spring isn't going to be as smooth as topre when it's a clicky switch you fucking moron. It is still smooth until it buckles.

Well it is the truth, again if you bothered to try these switches you'd bin your HHKB.
>>57963033
Ignore him, topre fags getting desperate.

>> No.57963055
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TRIGGERED

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>>57963040
>shilling for ALPS this hard
You're a retard man.

>deskthority

>> No.57963066

>>57963055
autism
enjoy your beats by dre

>> No.57963067

>>57963040
Alps are pretty good. Super tactile. Only got to try white alps, I'm guessing blues are less common. Matias alps don't feel as good as the old ones though.

>> No.57963079

>>57963064
>he's never tried blue alps
>>57963067
Blues are pretty much the greatest alps switch.

>> No.57963090

>>57963064
Are you dumb? Alps are junkyard find tier, how can you shill something with no profit potential? It's just good shit thats readily available.

>> No.57963092

I love my HHKB so much, I want to 3d print an onahole mount for it so I can achieve true oneness with cup rubber.

>> No.57963097
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57963097

こんにちは is the endgame thread

>> No.57963098

>>57963079
>>57963066
>equating Topre with Beats
>Is an ALPS shill
Some shitposting right there.

>> No.57963105

>>57963097
HHKB by dre!
>He bought it for the brand name

top kek

>> No.57963114

>>57963090
>how can you shill something with no profit potential?
Ask Hillary supporters.

>> No.57963122
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57963122

I'm just here to post end games

>> No.57963125

>>57963040
Not the one you're replying to, but I have tried out Reds, Browns, Blues, Blacks, many rubber domes, cream ALPS and buckling springs - in the country I'm in, getting hands on anything which is not a "gamer keyboard" or cheap rubber dome is difficult. The cream ALPS aren't to my liking, the Reds/Blacks are too linear, the Blues are too annoyingly clicky - it deconcentrates me when coding - and the Browns are... horrible. (Buckling Springs are very nice in feel, but too heavy/loud)

Right now, my daily driver - because I could not find anything satisfactory - is a 1991 Olivetti membrane/rubber dome keyboard I found in my basement (which is nice, but the rubber has hardened over the years and is just a tad too heavy to press) and a ThinkPad X220 laptop keyboard (eh). The HHKB seems to tick all the boxes I'm interested in - it's a light, portable keyboard with a good layout, pleasant feel and sound (I am not sure if I prefer the normal or Type-S) - although I've also been interested in Matias's smaller keyboards (though I heard their QC has dropped sharply in 2014, allegedly?). Before that, I worked on a Cherry MX Blue board, but the click eventually annoyed me so much I sold it to a friend. This is why I'm looking for a keyboard.

>> No.57963126
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>>57963066
But I don't use any applel products

I'm safe now father

>> No.57963137

>>57962965
Call me when individual beamsprings can be bought at a reasonable price, and when someone makes a split/ortholinear layout for it.

>> No.57963148

>>57963125
>HHKB
>Good layout
>60% with even less discrete, useful keys
???????

>> No.57963157

>>57963125
Try a BTC keyboard
>>57963126
Fuck off dre
>>57963137
Do you have any idea how much beamsprings cost to make, that isn't going to happen unfortunately. Buy one on ebay when they do surface and install an xwhatsit controller.

>> No.57963162

>>57963148
>Moving your hands away from home row to press arrows

>> No.57963173

>>57963105
>>57963157
I'm really curious were the logic of HHKB is the same as Beats comes from? Is it just underage shit parroting?

>> No.57963174

>>57963157
>that isn't going to happen unfortunately
That's what I was getting at. No matter how good the switch is I just can't go back to using the regular staggered layout.

>> No.57963181

>>57963097
I never understood this. Why call the hhkb the end game when Realforce exists and comes with a number pad for less than the hhkb? I would never call a keyboard endgame when it's less than ten keyless. When a keyboard is limited in functionality it is far from end game and is just a compromise.

>> No.57963186
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57963186

>autism

>> No.57963191

>>57963114
She was bought by banks. Soo...

>> No.57963192

>>57963173
Because the majority of the HHKB's costs come from the word HHKB on the top of the case and the words Made in Japan on the bottom, much like how Beats are $5 headphones with a $295 brand name.

>> No.57963196

>>57963162
>buying beats by dre keyboards
>>57963173
With beats you pay for the brand name, it's the same for the HHKB. Cheap rubber dome garbage.
>>57963174
Well that's your loss, there's always the brand new Model F reproductions with HHKB layouts.

>> No.57963198

>>57963181
Enjoy having to constantly move your hands all over the keyboard

Also realforce has a huge ugly bezel and takes half my desk

>> No.57963210

>>57963198
Get a bigger desk.

>> No.57963216

>>57963196
I'm sure, but I find staggered layout uncomfortable. Also those new model Fs aren't going to be made in an ortho layout.

>> No.57963219

>>57963210
Doesn't matter since I want that space to keep my mouse closer and possibly having sheets near me.

Bigger desk with far away stuff does not interest me

>> No.57963220

>>57963125
To add: One thing that puts me off from Matias boards is the insane gloss, but I do have an AEK II I could salvage for keycaps. The 1991 Olivetti membrane also has the common problem that you need to slam the keys and bottom out sharply to register a press, seeing as it's nothing fancy at all - but hey, it's the only keyboard I had in my basement which worked and didn't look as if it was taken straight out of a trashcan.

>>57963148
Part aesthetics, part portability (I move around a lot), part minimizing the need to move hands around (same logic which makes people prefer trackpoints to mice).

>>57963157
I know that BTC domes are Topre without the price and durability, but they're also big.

>>57963196
>brand name for a keyboard which sells a few thousand units a year at best
The HHKB is not $5 to produce. The cheapest Chinese Topre knockoffs go for $80, and the build quality sacrifices are visible.

>>57963210
And wider shoulders?

>> No.57963223

>>57963192
Maybe I'm living under a rock but I've never seen a HHKB advertisement nor one in any store in America.
Are you like 14 and everything you don't like is Beats?

People don't buy Beats for the name. They buy for the look or out of ignorance. Beat's advertising pushes that.

>> No.57963249

>>57963220
BTC domes are much better value for money

Neither are beats by dre, that doesn't change the fact that both are cheap to produce and cheap to buy.

Maybe you should consider working out?>>57963223
Why would they ever need to advertise when they have you retards doing it for them?

>> No.57963275

>>57963249
You mean like word of mouth? Because that's how Topre got its reputation. Not BS advertising.

They're endgame switches and no amount of childish comparisons will change that. HHKB and Realforce reputation is too strong among the community that uses their keyboards.

>> No.57963286

>>57963223
The look is part of the Beats branding.
And advertisements have nothing to do with the comparison, the point is that people buy HHKBs to have a HHKB and/or to have a keyboard that's ~made in Japan~. That's why HHKB layout clones that cost a fraction of the price are still unpopular (bar the Korean custom ones, but they're Korean customs, of course people want them).

>> No.57963290

>>57963249
I know. Diminishing returns are normal in every business, anon. Topre keyboards are pricey, but not 40x overpriced - unless you only care about the feel of the switch. As I said, I have other reasons to consider the HHKB.

>Maybe you should consider working out?

On /g/?

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>>57963286
>People aren't buying Chink shit because they want the name
>Chink shit is just as good
Ya clearly they just want "Beats".

>> No.57963309

>>57963275
No I mean mindless shilling

They're not endgame switches, an almost identical switch (BTC) can be bought used for a few dollars.
>>57963286
this
>>57963290
HHKB's are the most overpriced board I know of. You seem to have a valid reason for using one, however there are much cheaper alternatives out there. If you really needed a HHKB for valid reasons you would've bought a cheaper alternative but the real fact is you bought it for the brand name.

>> No.57963324

>>57963307
>it's automatically bad because it's made in China
Flawless logic.

>> No.57963331

>>57963309
They're endgame Keyboards, You can rant on about the switch of your dreams. I can buy a Topre keyboard right now. It actually exists.

But I'm sure you'll go on telling me how a beam spring keyboard with full nkro and usb would totally be better than a HHKB and cost like $10 from China.

>> No.57963336

>>57963286
>a fraction of the price
Cheapest capacitive keyboards in China cost $80, and have visible build quality sacrifices over HHKB/Realforce.

Isn't the cheapest HHKB layout keyboard actually the HHKB Lite, at $50-ish?

>>57963309
I didn't buy it yet. Also, much cheaper? Name one. I expect "much cheaper" to be <$140, as the HHKB Pro 2 can be had for $215-ish if you look around.

Also, they are overpriced - being overpriced doesn't make them bad, just a bad deal. Some people are willing to pay 2x more for a 20% better device.

>> No.57963341

>>57963324
Chicom shit is garbage.

>> No.57963346
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57963346

>tfw you're so deep into justifying having spent 220 bucks on rubber domes that you pretend to ironically shitpost on a malaysian basket weaving tutorial p2p network even though deep inside you're actually serious but you can't admit it to yourself so you just pretend to be sarcastic until you can't tell the multitude of layers of irony from the truth

>> No.57963347

>>57963309
Also,
>They're not endgame switches, an almost identical switch (BTC) can be bought used for a few dollars.

No. Identical in feel =/= identical. Durability and keypress consistency also matter. Topre switches aren't the endgame, no switch is an endgame as everyone has different tastes in weight/tactility.

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>>57963346
you are like a baby

watch this!

>> No.57963363

>>57963346
>Samsung
I genuinely don't know how anyone can use those swapped menu/back buttons, it fucks with my head so hard.

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57963367

>>57963356

>> No.57963369
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57963369

>>57963346
FUCK now I want an akarin mousepad so that I can cover her face with my mouse and make dank memes

>> No.57963375

>>57963331
They are not endgame keyboards... They are bought by idiots that want the brand logo, similar to those who buy Apple or Beats.
Model F's exist you can buy them right now, Model M's exist, both of them have new reproductions available too.

Beamsprings exist and can be bought if you bothered to look for them. Hall effect switches have been made to work by XMIT from Deskthority.

Beamsprings cost a lot more than 10$ to make, the difference is you can get them for a decent price if you look hard enough. >>57963336
Again, BTC's are cheaper.
>>57963347
BTC keyboards are much older than HHKB Pro 2's so I think they are perfectly fucking durable and they feel exactly the same.

You're just spouting whatever bullshit you can think of now in order to justify your ridiculous rubber dome keyboard purchase.

>> No.57963377

>>57963346
Your bed looks comfy senpai, can we lie in it together non-sexually?

>> No.57963384
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>>57963367
stop triggering me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.57963397
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>>57963369
Why did you post a blurred picture of nothing at all

>>57963377
Sure, though I can't promise that it will stay non-sexual for very long

>>57963384

>> No.57963402

>>57963375
You said "a fraction of the price" about the HHKB. Name me a 60% BTC dome board - the switch feel is NOT the only thing that matters in a keyboard, otherwise we'd all be typing on switches held together by bare wires. (Also, BTC domes seem to go for at least $15-$20 over here, not $5)

>> No.57963421
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>>57963402
Anon just buy a hhkb

At this point, triggering anon is a plus

>> No.57963428

>>57963402
It's not 60% but it's pretty fucking close

BTC 5100
Brand new from ebay for £40

The key switch feel is the most important thing, or do you disagree and think your special HHKB logo is more important? I wouldn't trade my Model F 107 or Beamspring for anything and I can adapt to any layout.

Well no shit, you're only looking at ebay prices. BTC's are old, you'll find them at recycle centers for almost nothing
>>57963421
Fuck off Dre

>> No.57963437

>>57963421
>blank keycaps on main board, printed on numpad
>slightly different shades of white and red used for the keycaps
>wrist rest for main board, nothing for numpad
This triggers me more than it should.

>> No.57963444

>>57963437
He's autistic, what do you expect?

>> No.57963445

>>57963249
>BTC domes

BTC domes are scarse as fuck and work on ps2

>> No.57963449

>>57963437
The numpad is not even topre :-)

>> No.57963451
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57963451

>>57963428
>do you disagree and think your special HHKB logo is more important?
wow look at this guy trying to spend his money in a sensible manner HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

>> No.57963456

>>57963445
Type in BTC 5100 on ebay... They are everywhere.
>>57963451
Look at this guy buying the beats by dre keyboard hahahaha

>> No.57963458
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57963458

>Tfw fell for the Topre meme

>> No.57963460

>>57963449
>mixing switches ever
W H Y

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57963469

>>57963456
joke's on you, I bought two of them

>> No.57963477

>>57963460
autism

>> No.57963479

>>57963460
I don't, I just saved that pic for triggering purposes

>> No.57963481

>>57963375
>Model F's exist you can buy them right now
Ya let me just plug that into my RJ45 port on my mobo.

>> No.57963482

>>57963428
>The key switch feel is the most important thing
It is the most important, but it's only one of the things. There's also layout, build quality, and more superficial qualities like aesthetics and sound. It's like saying performance is the only thing that matters in a laptop, which is total nonsense.

Also, I'm in Poland, anon. No. I won't find them at recycle centers for almost nothing, as they're not common in the first place.

>> No.57963485

>>57963336
>Isn't the cheapest HHKB layout keyboard actually the HHKB Lite, at $50-ish?

Thafuck. Shouldn't there be much cheaper topre keyboards then?

>> No.57963486

>>57963458
>That shit sounding crap
>Topre

You got nip'd, bro

>> No.57963493

>>57963485
lite is normal membrane, not Topre membrane

>> No.57963495

>>57963486
>hating the thonk

>> No.57963504

>>57963469
Jokes on you I got a BTC for free
>>57963481
Or you could not be a retarded topre shill for once
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-XT-AT-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Remapping-Macros-NKRO-Support-IBM-Model-F-/281476427201?hash=item41894d6dc1:g:U4cAAOSwDN1USZL-
>>57963482
Layouts can be adapted to, I've used pretty much every layout imaginable.
BTC's are extremely old, they are perfectly well built and very durable, BTC 5100 has nice aesthetics and they sound a lot like topre.

There's literally no reason to buy HHKB's other than being autistic.

If you're in Poland then import one... It can't cost more than a HHKB.

>> No.57963509

>>57963495
What I'm telling you is that the rgb has shitty sound, not the topre tock.

I don't care that the domes are there, it sounds like ass

>> No.57963511

>>57963456
still PS2

>> No.57963513

>>57963504
>just use a converter
Ya no issues at all! Not limited to 2kro.

>> No.57963519

>>57963511
Oh no you're right! Let's not spend £2 on a usb adapter, instead lets buy a beats by dre keyboard for £300 more!
>>57963513
They are N Key rollover. Learn to read you stupid fuck.

>> No.57963520

>>57963509
Sounds like a Topre switch to me. Maybe slightly different. Not sure what you heard.

>> No.57963524

>>57963458
>Topre Type Heaven RGB

Yes, yes you have. You have made a terrible mistake. That's what you get for valuing muh backlight over desk lamps - you get cost cutting.

>>57963485
HHKB Lite is simply an HHKB with regular cheap domes, as well as an USB 1.1 hub instead of USB 2.0.

>>57963504
>Layouts can be adapted to, I've used pretty much every layout imaginable.

Why would you not try to adapt to the layout you prefer most?

>If you're in Poland then import one... It can't cost more than a HHKB.

At that point, I could just as well consider a Plum - would come out to be a close/similar price. However, I do agree, the BTC 5100 doesn't look bad at all! I have issues with the arrow and Fn key placements, but it's fairly neat.

The HHKB's aesthetics are so tempting, however...

>> No.57963530

Did people forget that the HHKB has been around since the 90s. They went with some changes over the years, but this layout is nothing new and has been around for over 20 years

>> No.57963531

>>57963519
>They are N Key rollover. Learn to read you stupid fuck.
With issues.

Plus you're using a 30 year old keyboard.

>> No.57963534

>>57963511
only laptops and phones/tablets don't have ps2 and why would you want an external keyboard for any of those anyway

>> No.57963542

>>57963524
>Yes, yes you have. You have made a terrible mistake. That's what you get for valuing muh backlight over desk lamps - you get cost cutting.
I don't think it's a Type Heaven. I have no issue with it. You should try one.

I bought it more for the software than anything. Being able to change the actuation point is surprisingly nice.

>> No.57963543

>>57963519
>£2

Someone linked an adapter above and it cost almost 40£. I'm not justifying buying an HHKB, I'm just saying that you can't get that kind of quality on a recent keyboard anywhere else.

>> No.57963545

>>57963530
Yes. To make things more fun, the original membrane HHKB was priced as high as the Topre HHKB is now; however, that was primarily because of the appealing high compatibility (Sun, PS/2 and ADB connector support in one keyboard! Was a fair deal in the mid-90s). Over the next few years, they slashed it to $139 before finally discontinuing it and going Topre.

>> No.57963553

>>57963534
stop being a retard

>> No.57963554

>>57963542
It is a Type Heaven, and was originally demoed as a Type Heaven. They rebranded it to Realforce to justify the cost, but, AFAIK, it has the build quality of a Type Heaven.

>>57963543
Oh, you definitely can.

>> No.57963562

>>57963534
Do you really want to type for hours on a laptop keyboard?

>> No.57963563

>>57963534
>only laptops and phones/tablets
>only
nigger

>> No.57963567

>>57963554
>It is a Type Heaven, and was originally demoed as a Type Heaven. They rebranded it to Realforce to justify the cost, but, AFAIK, it has the build quality of a Type Heaven.
Have you actually used one or are you just basing this off google?

Because the Realforce RGB I have in front of me seems excellent.

>> No.57963568

>>57963562
no, that's why i bought a desktop instead

>> No.57963570

>>57963524
Because I don't have a preference layout and I don't really get why anyone would. They're extremely easy to get used to.

£40 for the board and £30 to deliver, that's still nowhere near the HHKB price point although I have no idea how much it'd cost to get it to poland.

The HHKB's do look nice, but they are so overpriced it's ridiculous. Plus they waste precious space on the board to fit the fucking stupid HHKB Logo and the other side is blank for the purpose of symmetry. It really is a stupid keyboard.
>>57963531
Erm no... There are no issues. Do you just say whatever bullshit you want to make the debate easier for you? Them adapters work perfectly with N key rollover.
>>57963543
£2 was referring to a ps2 to usb adapter needed for a BTC board. The more expensive adapter I posted adapts XT to AT/USB with N Key rollover support, and supports key remappings for a Model F 83 Key XT and 84 Key AT.
You can get much better fucking quality for that money. Model F reproductions cost a similar amount, they have solid metal cases that have been powder coated, they have an optional HHKB layout, and modern case options with slimmer bezels. HHKB is for the autistic dweebs that pay for brand names.

>> No.57963584

>>57963554
>Oh, you definitely can.

>shows 0 examples

>> No.57963589

All I see is useless comparisons, bad mouthing other peoples keyboards and justifying the own decisions.

Good thread.

>> No.57963597

Gas the Topre users

Switch war now

>> No.57963599

>>57963570
>Erm no... There are no issues. Do you just say whatever bullshit you want to make the debate easier for you? Them adapters work perfectly with N key rollover.
You can do a simple google search and see many issues.

>> No.57963608

>>57963599
I see absolutely no issues and I use one myself for a Model F 84 Key AT and have no issues. Stop chatting shit Dre.

>> No.57963610

>>57963568
So you never go outside for extended periods of time?

>>57963567
I did say "AFAIK", based on some reviews I heard.

>>57963570
With delivery, we're talking about ~3x the BTC 5100's price. ~4x for Type-S.

>>57963589
Indeed. I just wanted to think about buying a keyboard, and all we get is this massive flamewar. Guess I'll stick to my ThinkPad keyboard for now and wait for a better thread.

>> No.57963620

>>57963610
>I did say "AFAIK", based on some reviews I heard.
I haven't seen any negative reviews. Do you have a link?

>> No.57963626

>>57963610
Meh still a better deal for a 5100

>> No.57963634

>>57963608
>works on my comp meme
Nice!

>> No.57963639

>>57963610
Outside is what my phone is for.

>> No.57963641

>>57963634
You don't have any other bullshit you wanna make up to defend your rubber dome purchase?

>> No.57963649

>>57963641
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=model+f+adapter+issues

>> No.57963655

>>57963626
Diminishing returns, anon. Generally, after a certain point, you pay a major increase in price for a minor increase in parameters. That's absolutely normal - the high-end is never a great deal and nobody is saying the HHKB is a great deal - they're just saying they like the keyboard.

>> No.57963667

>>57963649
Model M, Raspberry Pi, and Windows 10 are the top results. Nice one you fucking troglodyte.
>>57963655
They are forced to like it after spending nearly £400 on it.

>> No.57963672

>>57963620
See
>>57954450

>> No.57963684

>>57963667
>£400

£210 for the regular, £280 for the Type-S, less if bought used.

>> No.57963693

>>57963684
I see much higher prices on ebay.

>> No.57963707

>>57963684
So far, I have bought 4 laptops in my life which cost less than that. 2 of them brand new.

I'm just saying.

>> No.57963708

>>57963693
They are even cheaper here in the US at 215 bucks

>> No.57963712

>>57954450
>>57963672
It must be the cherry adapters making the different noise.

Mine doesn't sound nearly as clacky as his does though. Maybe he's typing purposefully hard?

Still not sure I'd call the different noise a negative though. Considering the advantages of the software and being able to use Cherry key caps. But who knows. If it breaks in a few months I'll know I bought shit. Seems fine for now.

>> No.57963716

>>57963693
Ebay only has cheap chinkshit and price gougers on it, why would you be looking there for pricing of anything?

>> No.57963726

>>57963693
>buying on eBay just after "eBay is overpriced"

If you're in the US, buy from EliteKeyboards ($225 + S&H). Otherwise, amazon.co.jp + a proxy service OR an import buying service.

For example, https://shop.whiterabbitjapan.com/products/happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-2 sells them for $262, which is still mildly overpriced (by proxying manually you can get as low as $230 with shipping).

For the Type-S, add $60-$80 to the price, however keep in mind that even HHKB fans agree that the Type-S is not worth the extra cost.

>> No.57963727

>>57963716
Where else would I look for cheap rubber dome trash?

>> No.57963737

>>57963726
(In addition, keep in mind that from December 1st to 25th of every year, each Type-S sold via PFU or Amazon gets an additional key puller and colored keycaps set, which normally goes for $15, for free. Not a huge "deal", but it is there nonetheless.)

>> No.57963740

>>57963726
Or I could get a BTC for free :)

>> No.57963764

>>57963740
Good that you phrased it this way - you could! Not everyone is you. For people outside the US/UK, as we've calculated, it's still a notable cost, comparable to Chinese Topre clones.

>> No.57963765

>>57963726
>$60 for literally just some foam rings worth maybe $5 put on the sliders
Definitive proof PFU are gouging the fuck out of HHKB buyers tbqh

>> No.57963769

>>57963740
Not here in chink land :(
It would be cheaper to buy a korean topre clone instead of buying the high shipping cost

>> No.57963775

>>57963740
>for free

Tell me where. Go ahead, tell me. Europe btw.

>> No.57963780

>>57963764
The point is there's always a cheaper alternative to a HHKB.
>>57963775
I got mine from a secondary school in my area.

>> No.57963795

>>57963780
Did anyone claim otherwise? Since the HHKB is one of the most expensive mass-produced keyboards available currently, that means almost literally every keyboard is less expensive. However, (a) used keyboards are not available equally and (b) new keyboards with quality comparable to the HHKB are *not* that much cheaper.

>> No.57963807

>>57963780
>I got mine from a secondary school in my area.

Not gonna get one free, but I have access to these for cheap. Should I get them?

>BTC 5207
>BTC 5197

>> No.57963815

>>57963795
The best keyboards have to be tracked down. I didn't get my beamspring by paying a stupid amount of money to some slit eyed japanese CEO.
>>57963807
Yes, anything BTC is great

>> No.57963823

>>57963815
Again, people outside the US/UK/Western Europe have few options for tracking down keyboards. Flying to the US just to pick up a keyboard and avoid the HHKB meme would be beyond absurd, so that rules out a LOT of sources, and eBay is often overpriced.

>> No.57963837

Who knew that topres could derail a thread into shitposting so fast.

>> No.57963846

>>57963837
It happens every time when the buckling spring nation arrives.

>> No.57963850

>>57963837
>not topre, topre shills

>> No.57963853

>>57963823
Always other ways, I've contacted foreign universities and had things delivered from surplus many times.
>>57963846
It happens every time someone uses their brain

>> No.57963862

>>57963853
In Poland, all I've seen people get from universities in surplus is Unitra's own reed switches they manufactured in the 70s. Not sure how good they are.

>> No.57963874

>>57963862
Contact Universities outside of Poland, they're usually willing to deliver.

>> No.57963878

>>57963876
new thread

>> No.57963885

>>57963846
>>57963850
No just topres in general. It doesnt have to involve buckling springs, just read the thread

>> No.57965204

>>57959304
the main point of bucklIng spring keyboards is to have tactile and audible feedback right on the actuation point.
topre can not compete in that regard.

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