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>Buyer's template:
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>Where to Buy:
http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL
>FAQs:
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>Use buyers template
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>Keyset wiki
keypuller.com

Previous Thread: >>56092278

>> No.56153355

>Budget
$50
>Location (continent at least)
U.S.
>Preferred switch type
brown (if that's the silent one)
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL
>Backlight
if possible
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer BlackWidow Chroma (my roommate is getting pissed cause it's loud, do i even get another mechanical? or just get regular? plz halp)

>> No.56153418

Can someone suggest a nice smooth set of key caps in white. These tai-hao's are shit, getting a refund.

>> No.56153440

>>56153355
non clicky switches can be near silent if you don't bottom out or even if you dont mash the keys like a savage baboon
on what keyboard to suggest is beyond me tho anon ill let someone else help you with that one

any anons know of a 60% keyboard with mx grays(linear or tactile idc)? or am i dreaming

>> No.56153624

>>56153440
>non clicky switches can be near silent if you don't bottom out or even if you dont mash the keys like a savage baboon
oooh thanks!

>> No.56153673

which zealio has the strongest bump feeling
67g? 78g? lube or no lube?

>> No.56153737

>>56153253
1st for memedox delays

>> No.56153742

>>56153624
or you can just get some cheapy rubber o-rings to put under if you cant not bottom out and it reduces sound quit a bit, i use them on browns and also find it makes the switches feel a little more solid and less grainy

>> No.56153846

>>56149956
>what keyboard is this?
Looks like a Leopold FC750R.

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=171

>> No.56153951
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56153951

in

>> No.56153961

white fox?

>> No.56153962
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56153962

CM novatouch with 55g domes. When you lube a novatouch it's way better than a realforce, no silencing required at all.

>> No.56155599
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56155599

R8 my layout /mkg/

>> No.56156000

>Budget
Preferably 150, but will consider up to 200.
>Location
Australia
>Preferred Switch Type
I have only used brown, but I'm open to blue.
>Layout
ANSI
>Form Factor
100% full keyboard.
>Backlight
Not necessary, but it's an amusing feature to have.
>Previous/current keyboards
Ducky Shine 3. The 2 key just died, and expect more to go soon, so replacing it.
Before that, generic keyboards.

>> No.56156159
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56156159

>>56153962

Im going to do soft landing pads and lube. What parts of the slider do you lube? Love the retro cherry look too. What spacebar is that? And is it PBT like the rest of that set?

>> No.56156167

worst OP pic in a long time. just fuck no.

>> No.56156222

>Budget
$500
>Location (continent at least)
Australia
>Preferred switch type
Only ever used reds
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL
>Backlight
Nty
>Previous/current keyboards
CMstorm w reds
Non tkl Unknown Chinese w pbt and reds

Deciding between novatouch w new keycaps and realforce 87u all 45g

How much modding is required to improve novatouch would prefer that over rf87u if it's easy to make them comparable

>> No.56156235

>>56153962
How hard is it to lube?

>> No.56156246
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56156246

I got pic related with MX Reds and it's great.

>> No.56156264
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56156264

>>56153440
>if you dont bottom out
It doesnt make a sound.if you dont use them either

>> No.56156306

>>56156159
God that is a beautiful keyboard. It just has this unadulterated purity to it. Those OG Cherry Doubleshots no doubt are responsible for that. Winkeyless as well. It also uses the pencil holder case which is both aesthetically pleasing and functional if you ever use a pencil. Probably made in the early 90s and it blows 90% of keyboards you can get today out of the water in terms of looks and keyfeel (vintage MX). What our piece of tech from the 90s can still do that?

If that keyboard came up in the GH or reddit classifieds it would sell for $400 easy, maybe more. Not a whole lot of those early great cherry boards are left.

>> No.56156423

>>56156235
takes about 3 hours, 2 hours if you know what you're doing. It's not hard, just tedious.

>> No.56156455

>>56156159
I lube the rails, and the actual stem, Ive been lubing topre switches for years now, and that combo is the best IMO. I also take apart the stabilizer and lube that too. I'm telling you right now, the novatouch key travel already feels kind of short, the landing pads are going to ruin that topre feeling. If you lube it, its already going to be pretty quiet. Unless you don't mind having a linear feeling topre board, do not go with rings or landing pads, just lube it. The keyset is the EnjoyPBT set from shadovved on GH.

>> No.56156564
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56156564

mk with built in lcd and dac when

>> No.56156581

>Budget
$60 USD
>Location
S.E.A, Singapore
>Preferred switch type
Red or Brown, as quiet as possible
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
Full
>Backlight
Either is fine
>Previous/current keyboards
Logitech K200 (I like it, does what it does)

>> No.56156587
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56156587

Time for some PCB design

>> No.56156745

Tempted to cop the keyboard in the op bit it's nonstandard so I won't be able to use keycap sets which bugs me

>> No.56157126
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56157126

What are some mod-friendly, classically shaped and laid out tenkeylesses with either cherry or gateron switches? I'm not gonna solder leds onto the PCB or replace switch bodies or anything like that, but I'd like to be able to order some PBT caps in the future without having to file down every other key or hunt for custom stabilizers.

>> No.56157679

>>56157126
Replacing keycap on the keyboard is hardly a "mod". And you can get any tkl with standard layout and it'll be fine.

Friendly with mod however, I recommended Filco tkl. They've been on the market for a long time and there are many mod that you can do on it.

>> No.56159032

Should I get a nova touch or a hhkb?

>> No.56159171
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56159171

just ordered my first mechanical keyboard because its on sale. how did i do?

>> No.56159257

>>56156246
Hey enjoy it man. I'm still on a K60.
>>56159171
Do you enjoy leds? Because that thing is bright. Really bright.

>> No.56159306

>>56159171
what an ugly shit

>> No.56159323
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56159323

>>56159032
do you want garbage, or do you want the best memeboard ever made

>> No.56159340

>>56159171
Not as good as me. I just ordered a Logitech G910 Orion Sparkle.

>> No.56159435
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56159435

never owned one before, should I go for pic related?
I don't use numpad but I don't see a point in getting the tkl model, I mean they are the same size and stuff

>> No.56159483

>>56159435
I have a CM Storm Quickfire tk and it's pretty good and is basically the same as the stealsh but with led, the only complain i have is that the spacebar is shit but overall is pretty good.

>> No.56159513
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56159513

>>56159435
It's a piece of shit, my chinkboard has better build quality than the quickfire TK that I'm typing on right now.

>> No.56159529

>>56159513
I like mine, why do you think is shit?

>> No.56159541

>>56159513
Tell me about this Chinkboard how much does it cost?

my SteelSeries 6GV2 is dying.

>> No.56159569

>>56159513
what is better alternative then?
in the same price range

>> No.56159613

>>56159569
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I1N6N3U/ref=twister_B01GFD6NAQ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

just buy this m8, it's been great so far

>> No.56159663
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56159663

>>56159529
The case is flimsy, the bottom row is beyond non-standard (though the PCB would allow for a standard configuration) and the metal plate is also thin as shit, giving the whole thing some flex and the spacebar rattles like all hell.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a terrible keyboard that will break down on you in no time or something of the sort, but you can do better than this thing for the money. Every other keyboard I own has better build quality than this thing, and one of those is a 50 bucks chinkboard.

I've got gateron blacks and some PBT caps (except for the bottom row) on it now, and it's quite a decent typing experience, but I'd still not recommend it unless you absolutely want the layout and you're willing to spend a stupid amount of money on compatible keycaps.

>>56159541
Qisan Magicforce, I picked it up on Aliexpress for 50 bucks.

>>56159569
Quickfire Rapid if you want cherry switches, various chinkboards if you don't mind chink knockoff switches.

>> No.56159712

>>56159613
but I want brown switches
>>56159663
all I can find in my area is quickfire rapid-i, is it the same?

>> No.56159727

>>56159712
iirc, it's not from the same OEM that makes the quickfire rapid (Costar), so the build quality may not be as good, but it's certainly better than the quickfire TK just for the fact that it has a standard bottom row.

>> No.56159775

>>56159712
I've heard the rapid-i's LEDs have a high tendency to burn out.

>> No.56159952
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56159952

>>56159727
>just for the fact that it has a standard bottom row.
so just because of the layout? or is there more to it?

>> No.56159994
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56159994

>>56159952
Well, looking at the picture you posted, it probably wouldn't be too far fetched to assume that the quickfire rapid has a more solid build quality than the TK, probably with a fatter metal plate.

Though that's just speculation on my part, I don't have a quickfire rapid, so I can't really tell you what differences there are except for the fact that the quickfire rapid has a standard layout, which is already more than enough of a reason to choose it over the quickfire TK.

>> No.56160122

>>56153962
is it avaible in grey or did you paint it?
(and how did you paint it)

>> No.56160170

Do Ducky Shine 5's come in Clear or Green switches? Which is more similar to blue switches?

>> No.56160235

>>56159994
meh I didn't actually want to post that pic, I forgot I uploaded it
rapid is not available here, only rapid-i so it's that vs TK
and the leds on rapid-i burn out apparently so fuck that

>> No.56160342
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56160342

>>56160170
Greens are more similar to blues. The Ducky Shine 5 doesn't come with either of the switches you inquired about. The Shine 4 comes with clears and greens, though last I checked it was sold out everywhere.

Though I am looking to sell my Shine 4 with clears if you're interested.

>>56160235
You can just turn the LEDs off, it won't affect the keyboard otherwise.

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56160385

>>56153962
Did you actually put domes from Realforce in NT?

>> No.56160927

>>56153962
How long have you had that thing? Did you experience any case wear marks?

>> No.56161135
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56161135

>tfw special snowflake colored key caps
>tfw colors other than gray or black
>tfw useless tiny keyboards
>tfw skull or otherwise shaped escape keys

>> No.56161224
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56161224

i wish cherry made tkl boards

>> No.56161347

>>56159663
Yeah the spacebar is a piece of shit, the quickfire tk is my first mechanical keyboard so maybe that's why i haven't found it as bad as you did.

>> No.56161454

>>56156455
What is the point of lubing rails? It makes 0 sense

>> No.56161541
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56161541

>>56153418
Originative blanks. They're light beige but they feel great. Thicc PBT

>> No.56161613
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56161613

Vortex is working on pbt DSA and SA caps

>> No.56161764
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>> No.56161782

>>56161541

>reddit meme spacebar
and back you go

>> No.56161936

>>56161764
I want a modern cherry keyboard with a color scheme like the two in the middle. Does anyone make grey/beige cases?

>> No.56161957

>>56161541
>Originative blanks
So Gateron blanks sold at a considerable markup?
>>56161613
Can't get worse than SPs shitty QC

>> No.56162072

>>56159171

I have the same just with MX Browns, and like >>56159257 said, that fucker is BRIGHT. I use the lowest LED brightness setting at night. But it is beautiful.

Protip: the keycaps are a bit weak. If you can find a defective K70 being sold for cheap and still has OK keycaps, get it and switch the keycaps. That's what I did, but with my old K70.

>> No.56163078

>>56161782
>I disagree with the way you rotate a single key by 180 degrees so it's shit!
Here we go again!
:^)

>> No.56163099

>>56161957
>$30 for blanks
>$50 for a set
?

>> No.56163292
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56163292

Black alps replacement for my gaymer keyboard from high school.

>> No.56163353

>>56161454
is this a joke? thats where the most friction from the slider comes from

>> No.56163587
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56163587

hey guys

>> No.56163943
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56163943

So I fell for the meme.

I already have a Model M I keep at my desk in office, but needed badly something to replace the wireless keyboard I had previously at home.

The ISO layout will take some time to get used to, but I can already feel it's superior to ANSI IT for programming. Local layouts are good just for writing text, actually.

I know it's a cheap board, but I dintinctly rnjoy the feeling that it matches with the mouse - similar texture and distinct clicks.

Why you no love mouse more, /mkg/?

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56163977

>>56163943
>The ISO layout will take some time to get used to
that's ANSI

I have the same mouse and it's great (apart from the looks), but this is a thread for keyboards

>> No.56164121

>>56163977
Yeah, I never seem to get it right
> this is a thread for keyboards
Seems reasonable

>>56163943
Awww yeah, QC. Can't really complain for 37euro

So one of the switches (the e) won't fully depress on occasion, runing both the tactile and sound feedback. The easiest way to fix it? Should I lube it somehow, exchange it with another switch from the board, or will it just go away with use?

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56164139

>>56164121

>> No.56164733

ok be honest boys. should i get the novatouch or the hhkb?

>> No.56164921
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56164921

>>56164733
HHKB if you want meme points

Novatouch if you want Topre for a cheaper price, not as good as high end topre keyboards though

>> No.56164960

>>56164733
Neither. Topre is shit.

>> No.56165058
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56165058

Hey guys, I just bought a model m, and it's my first mechanical keyboard. My mobo has this combo ps2 port, but the model m isn't even getting power from it... Could it be the keyboard is faulty or something else? I say its not getting power because none of the lock lights are working.

>> No.56165121

>>56165058
Never mind, I got it to work. Had to shut down my PC, then leave it plugged in while turning on.

>> No.56165143

>>56164960
Can confirm. Topre sucks.
If you really want to go for it and have the money, thake the HHKB though.

>> No.56165496

>>56164921
this is a fucking lie. Don't let these fags convince you into thinking the novatouch isnt as good. It's the same fucking thing.

>> No.56165677

>>56165496
It feels the same.

Sound, looks and layout are entirely different.

>> No.56165721

>>56156000
Why not just replace the switch for now and see what happens? You can order switches off mechkb.

>> No.56165796
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56165796

Ordered pic related, am I in trouble now?

>> No.56165960

>>56153355
http://aliexpress.com/store/product/Lolita/818123_32234926122.html
The only "problem" is
>Kailh
But almost fit your budget.

http://aliexpress.com/item/Drevo-Gramr/32687346153.html
This one has Outemu Red/Brown, also fits your tiny budget.

>> No.56166134

>Budget
100-150 USD
>Location (continent at least)
U S OF A
>Preferred switch type
Blues? Im currently on the pos razer oranges. I want clicky.
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
I dont know the percentages by heart (fuck me, right) but i know that I want something like the OLKB atomic, or the winkeyless B.Mini X2. I know these are just DIY PCB's, but I was wondering if there were compact ~60% boards that arent kits or are better kits? Also, can the Atomic have a split spacebar for spacefn? (sorry, I dont know how keyboards truly work.)
>Backlight
idc
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer blackwidow stealth i bought when i was an incompetent young'un. (still am, i mean its summer, right?)

Thanks.

>> No.56166219

>>56156264
upstroke clown
the switch will make noise if you hit the plate and when the switch hits the top of the housing

>> No.56166272

>>56161957
the only pricey originative sets are the ones with font
their blank sets are pretty competitively priced

>> No.56166525

>Budget
Under 200 if possible
>Location (continent at least)
North America
>Preferred switch type
blue
>Layout
antsy
>Form factor
60
>Backlight
rgb
>Previous/current keyboards
g710+

>> No.56166544

>>56166525
Also Wireless

>> No.56166555

>>56166525
RK61

>> No.56166579

>>56166555
Wow that's perfect.
Bless your soul.

>> No.56166606
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56166606

>>56166579
Cheers, enjoy your keyboard.

>> No.56166723

>>56165796
What is that? The font is disgusting

>> No.56167004

>>56166606
Now do I get the kailh or the cherry for 20 bucks more?

>> No.56167038

Definitely if your budget was 200 or less, go for the ~85 dollar keyboard not the ~65. Theres no real difference, other than slight differences in feel and definitely in reliability. I always go for the true, original product, rather than the second hand remake.

>> No.56167198

>>56167004
I'd go with cherry, Kalih doesn't have any benefits over cherry apart from being cheaper.

>> No.56167304
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56167304

Anybody know if this Cherry SPOS is worth 50 bucks?

>> No.56167309

I just ordered the stuff to build a b.face x2. how did I do?

>> No.56167331

>>56167304
What are the caps made of? What switches?

>> No.56167366

What is the best value for money switch?
Who sells switches and ships internationally (for cheap)?
I got cherrys of aliexpress but where to get matias?

>> No.56167404

>>56153253
which keyboard is this? apologies if its already been said.

>> No.56167430

>>56160385
yes, I did. I owned every topre board that ever existed. I honestly liked the shape of the novatouch compared to the rounded realforce. I harvested the realforce 55g domes and put it in the novatouch. I sold all my other topre boards, IMO this combo was the best for me.

>> No.56167432

>>56167331

No clue. I don't even know if it's mechanical. It's made by Cherry so I just assume so.

It's been floating on my local Craigslist more months and the guy just wants to sell for probably anything.

It looks neat so I was thinking about it. Just imagine all the shitpost macros I could program.

>> No.56167446

k70 i think

>> No.56167451

>>56160122
I spray painted it. 5 coats, with clear coat at the end.

>>56160927
I just did it like a week ago, I applied clear coat at the end, It should last a long time

>> No.56167487

>>56167404
looks like a K70 RGB.

>> No.56167539
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>>56167487
danke schoen

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fug

>> No.56167860

>>56165721
I expect more to break, and I also want to use this as an opportunity to upgrade.

>> No.56167923

>>56167857
What did you get?
It took like three days for my board to travel a
20 min ride buy car. Hopefully yours doesn't take that long. Also I bought from ncix canada and shipped to the united states and from that experience I'll never buy from canada again just to save 20 bucks. It's not worth it.

>> No.56167969
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56167969

Excuse the shitty camera, I bought this for $110 and it came with mx blues. It's really fun to type and I wish the macros had some software to make thinks a bit easier.
So I guess for my first mechanical keyboard how did I do?

>> No.56167974

>>56167923
hhkb

>> No.56167980

How bad is it to go from regular rubber membrane keyboard to a mechanical keyboard with (Cherry) red switches? I heard they're really bad for typing / prone to mistakes, etc.
I would love to try out and buy a mechanical keyboard but here in third worldia they basically sell only "gaymer" keyboards with red switches and even the normal looking ones have red switches.

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56167994

cut up my K90 a few days ago because I got tired of the G keys. think it came out alright.

>> No.56168005

>>56167980
Don't worry about it it doesn't feel bad, but getting something with tactile feedback is nice, linear switches are fine too

>> No.56168006

>>56167969
Better than most other first mechanical keyboards. My first was a Das Kayboard 3 with MX Browns and a non-standard bottom row.
>>56167980
I unironically believe that MX Reds offer a worse typing experience than membrane keyboards.

>> No.56168063
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>>56167994
just googled some images of this board and those macro keys are ugly. What were they thinking

>> No.56168196
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56168196

this seemed to be pretty much THE keyboard that i desire, but now i'm kinda starting to have second thoughts (mainly concerned about its authenticity and input lag marketing claims). do you see any potential problem with buying this (with noppoo/gaote blue switches):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Noppoo-backlighting-Technology-Programmable-Mechanical/dp/B0091QHIR2

>i do A LOT of programming. programming productivity is my main concern.
>keyboard must be compact, ideally not wider than one extra column of keys to the right
>prefer RGB backlighting with adjustible brightness and individually programmable keys (choc mini rgb has this)
>prefer macro keys on the left, but can do without them especially if the function keys sit close to the typing area like this
>i really like this layout, compact but with dedicated arrow keys, cuddled function keys, great "numpad" support, comfy pgup/pgdn
>want the lowest input lag possible, preferably with 1 kHz USB polling but i guess you can only get that with "gaymen" keyboards

i'm coming from a microsoft reclusa with a swedish layout. there aren't many options with a swedish/nordic layout but i think this US ANSI-ish layout will be better and more ergonomic for programming, and almost all of my typing is in english anyway.

my main complaint about the microsoft reclusa is its size, i want a more compact keyboard so i can have the typing area centered and also have my mouse close to the typing area.

could the blue switches be an issue for someone like me who's never used a mech keyboard before? are they really so loud that they can disturb your neighbors? but i guess i want the tactile and audible click to help me type efficiently without bottoming out. the keys on microsoft reclusa are basically on/off (so i bottom out against the rubber dome) but with mech keyboards you're supposed to type without bottoming out, right?

>> No.56168211
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56168211

>>56168196
the main issue with the choc mini seems to be that the keys are non-standard in size, so it's hard to customize them, but i'm fine with using the original keys. also a couple of redditors said that there's a trademark troll and the ones on amazon are of decent quality but may come from a different manufacturer, what's up with that, so the 1ms realkey technology could be complete bullshit? why isn't choc mini on noppoo's official website, has it been discontinued? did they even make a legit rgb version?

does the real noppoo claim to use low input lag technology like this?
>http://www.cherry.de/cid/RealKey_Technology.htm?rdeLocationAttr=0&rdeLocaleAttr=en&switch=true

and so would you recommend for or against the noppoo choc mini rgb? should i be looking at alternatives such as qisan/ajazz/keycool, or is the choc mini rgb the best for what i want?

>> No.56168215

>>56159323
>CTRL next to A

WHY

>> No.56168256

>>56168215
i think it's probably more ergonomic, you'll mainly use the keys above the bottom row besides the space bar, so you won't have to go "down there" with your pinky, which can be a huge problem for emacs users. the noppoo choc mini even has a hardware feature to switch ctrl and caps lock.

>> No.56168277
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56168277

>>56168256 (Me)
pic related

>> No.56168293

>>56167980
Well ok, there's one e-shop with a Tesoro Durandal keyboard for 75 euro that's vaguely classified as "Cherry MX Brown". There are however no further specifications available. So how good quality are Tesoro mechanical keyboards? Any experience?

>> No.56168331

>>56168293
If your choices are limited why not buy from China?
Or better yet why not buy a switch tester and find out which switch is the best for you.

>> No.56168375

>>56168063
no idea, but it helped that the PCB for the macro keys are separate from the main PCB and i love this board otherwise. now i just have to cut down the palmrest.

>> No.56168388

>>56167366
There is not enough competition to have a "best value for money". It's a niche market, and all of the switches are a little different.

>> No.56168436

>>56168211 (Me)
some guy actually analyzed choc mini (different version though) and he says it's around 20 ms latency, could be even worse with a slow USB polling rate :/

http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/hardware/keyboard/choc-mini-analysis.html

this guy sas 5-10 ms is to be expected with good keyboards?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4xg2pa/is_low_latency_a_real_feature_for_keyboards_or/d6hzaly

>> No.56168444

>>56167366
gaterons are the value switches(also better than MX as long as you don't need greens, whites, grays, or clears)

>> No.56168493

>>56156455

The space bar is PBT too?

>> No.56168582

>>56168493
yes

>> No.56168629
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56168629

My Rosewill, simple and perfect.

>> No.56168651

What do you all think of the G910 Orion Spark? Looks cool.

>> No.56168661

>>56168629
chinese-built plastic over a murican flag

how fucking fitting.

>> No.56168754

>>56167304

There are a few of those models that have MX browns but the vast majority are domes. Its known as the ricercar SPOS go find out how to tell it apart.

>> No.56168756
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56168756

>>56168651

>> No.56168795

>>56168196 (Me)
ok so if the marketing claims about the input latency are bullshit, then do you guys think it could still be a decent keyboard in other aspects? it seems like all usb keyboards have some latency, except for cherry mx 6.0 which is not what i'm looking for and they're not licensing the technology to other companies.

you guys haven't noticed any major issues with input lag on your keyboards, have you? even as i type this now with my reclusa at 1 kHz usb polling it kind of feels like the text input is lagging behind my key presses. but maybe it's not a big deal during day to day use and i basically don't have a choice anyway?

>> No.56169059

>>56168795
Holy fuck dude, shut up.

>> No.56169066

>>56168756

Don't forget your gamer water and stuff to clean your gamer gunk

>> No.56169114
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56169114

>>56169059
why can't you answer any of my concerns

and don't you think this backlighting layout would be sick af

>> No.56169153

>>56168756
Nice meme. But for real, why is it bad?
It has decent keys, backlighting, full size layout, and looks amazing. A keyboard's purpose isn't very hard to fulfill.

>> No.56169164
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56169164

>>56169114 (Me)
or this

>> No.56169169

which keybord switch should I get for very high mmr high test dotes, my fellow dotards?

>> No.56169190
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56169190

>>56168795
man you sound like those audiophiles who need platinum cables to get the best sound experience possible.
Listen you won't notice low latency unless it really is low and if you want a keyboard with a 1000hz polling rate that isn't for gaming get a ducky one tkl. It has pretty much all what you need except for that exact layout>>56168196
and rgb lighting. Also you can change the position of the function keys with the dip switch on the back plus it has three macro layers

>> No.56169228

>>56165121

Someone is clearly underage and has never used a PS/2 before.

>> No.56169246

>>56165121
PS/2 isn't hot swap-able meaning you have to turn the pc off and on in order to get it to work

>> No.56169298
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56169298

>>56169164 (Me)
or this

>>56169190
i'm liking the choc mini layout for programming tho

>> No.56169300
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56169300

>>56169190
I knew I'd find this somewhere.
This is what I mean by changing the position of the function key

>> No.56169335

>>56169298
Listen if you want the best programming board just get HHKB, otherwise get your cheap kailh switches

>> No.56169400

>>56169298 (Me)
like f1/f2 for left-handed pgup/pgdn, f2/f3 for copy/paste, f4-f8 unused or for window management or something, f9-f12 dunno but would be fairly easy to reach from the typing position

>>56169335
>HHKB
nice meme, either it has too few keys (no arrow keys for example) or it's too cramped like on hhkb pro 2 while still lacking function keys, pgup/pgdn etc and having a tiny space bar which doesn't cover the area below the main part where you hit the space bar which is below n/m

>> No.56169416

>>56169335
>otherwise get your cheap kailh switches
also the choc mini doesn't use kailh switches, that's keycool and maybe some others, the choc mini has noppoo-branded switches made by gaote or you can get it (older versions at least) with cherry mx switches

>> No.56169467
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56169467

>>56169416
Lol they're basically identical http://imgur.com/a/qdsRw
Anyway stay away from these cheap clone switches and stick with gateron if you can or cherry if you have to.
I bought the e-element keyboard from massdrop with these same exact switches and they suck to type on.

>> No.56169479

>>56169300
Is the square a media function key?
I recently bought a Ducky One, and I use that key heavily (the keyboard hasn't arrived yet)

>> No.56169499
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56169499

Look no further friends

i bring to you [spoiller]PERFECTION[/spoiler]

>> No.56169513

>>56169499
where you get the cherry sticker from?

>> No.56169532

>>56169479
>Is the square a media function key?
Im not sure what you mean?

>> No.56169548

>>56169467
>muh legit cherry mx meme

>Personally, I prefer my Gaote (noppoo) blue switches to Cherry MX blues and I've been using them since June 2014 with no issues.
>They feel just a tad heavier and the click is a bit different but that is the only difference I've been able to feel/spot.

>> No.56169566

>>56169532
Sorry
*menu key
I've never thought of its name before

>> No.56169620
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56169620

>>56169566
By default its set as the function key, but you can change it

>> No.56169632
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56169632

>>56169566
>>56169620
Pic related

>> No.56169766

Tfw no one's buying the wasd v2 on mass drop so it's still $30 over priced

>> No.56169783

>>56169766
I forget are das keyboards or wasd keyboards just re-branded cherry g80-3000

>> No.56169785

Bad deal?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9W13S51918

switches bad?

>> No.56169796

>>56169620
>>56169632
Many thanks anon.
Off-On-Off seems perfect for me

Are you that anon that bought a one with PBT keys a week ago or so?
How is it so far?

>> No.56169804

>>56169785
believe it or not that's the normal price. That sale has been going on for as long as I can remember

>> No.56169825

>>56169804
freaking murrca, no consumer protection, nice """"sale""""

>> No.56169832

>>56169228
i'm 20 years old an i've never used a ps/2 before.

>>56169246
i realize that now, thanks

>> No.56169895

>>56163353
How does lubing rails affect the typing experience? If makes no difference in my opinion, because slider moves competely freely without any resistance

>> No.56169905
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56169905

>>56169796
I am 99% positive that's me. So far one of the switches has a problem resetting and according to everyone on the internet this is a common problem with cherry mx blue switches on ducky boards. I messed around with the macros and they are fun to use I wish that there was some software to make it easier. It is manageable but since I got carried away I had to reset everything and in doing so I cleared the default multimedia function macros by accident so I had to re-program them by hand.
Since this is my first mechanical keyboard I can't really say much other than I wish it had a back-light

>> No.56169964

Is RGB gay?

>> No.56169984

>>56169825
lol retail outlets do that all the time. They take something that's 50 dollars price it at 100 then say look its %50 off, and of course people think to themselves wow %50 off better get that before its gone.
Funny thing is JcPenny decided to stop doing this bullshit and while it was nice for the consumers it failed as a business strategy
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1vrrb2/the_jc_penneys_fair_pricing_failure_shows/

>> No.56169993

>>56163943
have you ever had issues playing games with that keyboard? whenever I try to place CSGO with it, it disconnects randomly and reconnects.

>> No.56170003

>>56169905
I ordered mine with browns, I think the issue with the keys won't affect me, or I hope it doesn't. It's my first mechanical keyboard too, I hope it goes well, because shipping it back from mexico is going to be hell on earth.
How are the keycaps? Is the keyboard a yay or a nay?

>> No.56170009

>>56169905
>I wish it had a back-light
/mkg/ neckbeards BTFO

>> No.56170039

>>56169964
depends on whether you like it or not. i personally like RGBs a lot. so that's why i got razer keyboard

>> No.56170048
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56170048

>>56169964
no it's baller af imagine pic related but with lights that you set to something like >>56169298 or whatever you like and with the appropriate brightness level

>> No.56170151
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56170151

>>56170003
I paid $110 for it and the key caps feel nice, but then again I've only typed on dye-sub key caps even on my rubber dome which has them they feel about the same, but it's one of the nicer rubber domes out there. I've never tried doubleshot caps before so I'm not the best on to judge them. For that price I paid I'd say yay. The metal plate is definitely sturdy, but I've seen better on some older rubber domes and I like the nice thin edges. Now compared to my IBM model M it feels worse, but I need something that is nice and small but still has a numpad. I'm defiantly happy with it

>> No.56170172

Is the Ducky Shine 5 a decent buy?

>> No.56170203

Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire XT - marketed as a gaming keyboard, but it looks normal enough. Any good/bad things about the brand?

>> No.56170253

>>56164960
>>56165143
Topre a best.

The only complaint people have about Topre is that it contains rubber, which is like complaining that both Ferrari and Toyota both use rubber tires, even when the cars are vastly different and even the tires they use are vastly different (speed ratings, load ratings, actual performance).

>> No.56170278

Why don't you just move on to chiclet? Supposedly it's the future, and apparently nobody cares, so why would you.

>> No.56170290

>>56170253
it's nothing like that at all, more like a ferrari with all-plastic panels. it's not vastly different from fujitso or btc domes at all aside from capacitive contact. and a "conic spring" vs cylindrical

>> No.56170309
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>>56170253
Topre a best.

>> No.56170377

>>56170278
only relevant for laptops and other mobile devices where it's more important for it to be thin than functional

>> No.56170542

>>56161936
ducky does

>> No.56170574

I just purchased the Corsair Strafe RGB with Cherry Silent Switches. They are actually very nice switches! They feel smooth and have a nice touch to them. The textured keycaps and spacebar are very pleasant to the touch.

I honestly have never had a typing experience as wonderful as this one.

Silent Switches are a little like reds, and feel somewhat like browns, although there is no bump. If you are transitioning from membrane, this is PERFECT.

I picked it up from best buy for $84 USD

>> No.56170613

>>56161936
You could always buy a set of keycaps for like 50 bucks and just paint your case grey/beige

>> No.56170617

>>56170377
>it's more important for it to be thin than functional
>it's more important for it to be <xyz> than functional
>it can be non-functional, for as long as it's <xyz>

Really...?

>> No.56170742

Right now I have a cheap consumer full size mech kb with browns. Would it be a retarded waste of money to jump straight to the hhkb with blank caps?

>> No.56170776

>>56170742
If your keyboard still works, it is arguably a waste of money.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

>> No.56171105

looking for a nice white case to replace the black one on my pok3r rgb. Suggestions?

>> No.56171470

>>56169895
have you lubed your topre board before? If you ever have, you would know it makes a world of difference.

>> No.56171633

>>56170151
I can't wait for it to arrive. I'll post pics when it does.
I didn't know that the Ducky one came with a metal plate, that's neat.

>> No.56171853

>>56170172
I need an opinion on this too.
Ducky shine 5 anyone? was gonna get a 4 but they only have it in black and I need red switches.

>> No.56172164
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56172164

>>56159323
funny, that's not a planck.

>> No.56172975

>>56167432
>It's made by Cherry so I just assume so
Cherry makes a whole lot more than mechanical keyboards.

>> No.56173273

>>56171470
Yes i spent a lot of time lubing NT. I have no clue why do you think lubing rails makes any difference. I lubed stabilizers and place where switch housing connects with a plate (no rattling) both with thick silicone grease.

>> No.56173417

>>56157126
Where did you get those key caps

>> No.56174029

>>56173273

Take off your stems, lube the rails and stems with a krytox mixture. Then get back to me. You obviously don't get it. No skin off my bones. Anyone who has lubed the rails will tell you, there's a big difference. You can choose to be ignorant of You want to.

>> No.56174086

>>56173273
Yes they move freely, but there is still friction where the two plastics meet. You are the first person I have ever seen say lubing rails makes 0 sense. Are you retarded?

>> No.56174101

Haven't been on here in a while.

Is HHKB still the hot meme or what

>> No.56174126
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56174126

>>56174101
Not as hot of a meme anymore, but still the hottest since no other meme has come along to replace it yet.

Though I'm working on that.

>> No.56174214

>>56173417
Not him, but I believe they're EnjoyPBT keycaps. There's a GB on GH, or you can buy them directly from Taobao or AliExpress, which is what I did.

>> No.56174327

>>56174029
>>56174086
Holy shit you dense motherfuckers, just tell me what the difference it makes

>> No.56174496

>>56165121
I fucked my last mainboard with putting in a PS/2 keyboard while my computer was turned on

>> No.56175098

>>56170203
Cool Master is chinese low quality trash

>> No.56175522

>>56175098
>costar is chinese now

>> No.56175587

>>56175522
what does that have anything to do with

>> No.56175669

>>56159171
its a ducky shine 5 but lower quality and non standard keys and half the price.

>> No.56175703

>>56159171

>Getting a LGBT colored Corsair as your first

I guess your coming out huh

>> No.56175745

>>56175587
Costar just happens to be the OEM of the non-shit cooler master keyboards. Hence saying that Cooler Master is low quality chink trash isn't quite correct.

>> No.56175774

>>56175745
>Storm Quick Fire XT
>non-shit

>> No.56175844
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56175844

>>56175774
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said that it's incorrect to label cooler master as chink trash since they have a whole lineup of keyboards from one of the best OEMs in the game. Though I don't see any reason to assume that the Storm Quickfire XT is chink trash either, given that's it's made in Taiwan.

What's your point?

>> No.56175858

>>56175844
>Taiwan
>not part of China
I see, you're just trolling now

>> No.56175887

>>56175858
Are we going to argue politics now just so you can defend your point?

Costar is the same OEM that produces Filcos. Whether Taiwan is part of China or not is debatable, but if you're going to tell me that Costar produces low quality trash, then you must've gotten lost on the way to the looney bin.

>> No.56175901

>>56175669
>non standard keys
what do you mean? Do they not use cherry connectors?

>> No.56175921

>>56175901
The spacing of the switches on the bottom row is non-standard. This means that the bottom row won't be compatible with most aftermarket keycaps sets. Good luck finding replacements for the shit laser etched ABS stock caps.

>> No.56175953

>>56175921
Oh you meant the layout.

>> No.56175973

>>56169169
Seconding this, I am also a dotard.

>> No.56176314

>Budget
£150 (willing to overpay if I like the keyboard enough)
>Location (continent at least)
Britain
>Preferred switch type
Preferably Cherry MX Red but willing to try Cherry MX Blue
>Layout
ISO but I don't mind ANSI either
>Form factor
Preferably 100% but wouldn't mind to try TKL
>Backlight
Looking for a keyboard that supports rbg lighting
>Previous/current keyboards
The Razor Black Widow, my experiences with it were meh.

I should mention I would like a decently sized keyboard too since I have large hands and feel uncomfortable using smaller keyboards. This will mainly be for gaming but mainly typing too.

>> No.56176487

>>56176314
you could try keycool if you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPHcBLUKPfQ.
You can get it on eBay right now

>> No.56176648

>>56176487
Ehh, not the style am particularly looking for. I'm also looking for raised keys too. I was looking at one of the Corsair rgb keyboards but am not too sure. Any other recommendations?

>> No.56176663

keycool hero 84 vs noppoo choc mini 84?

>> No.56176710

>want to see what the Nature Whites are like before buying a Shine 5 or Pok3r RGB
>even if they ever do come back in stock, have to pay twice as much because I live in Canuckland

Other than that, think the Nature Whites are here to stay? Will they be out onto more boards soon?

>> No.56176792
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56176792

>>56176648
what style are you looking for exactly? Do you want big bulky boards, or something that's slim

>> No.56176887

>Budget
€100
>Location (continent at least)
Czech Republic
>Preferred switch type
Cherry MX Brown or White
>Layout
Preferably ISO.
>Form factor
Preferably tenkeyless but getting those is nigh impossible here without ordering from Amazon overseas, so most likely full with numpad.
>Backlight
Don't need.
>Previous/current keyboards
I only used cheap generic keyboards before. I just want a mechanical keyboard to feel the superior writing experience but I can't get blues because I'm the guy with the pissy roommate who got triggered already by the sound of a regular keyboard.

I'd really like to order from somewhere that's got cash on delivery as a payment option because I don't have a credit card (I had one but it was stolen so I never got a new one since) and if I wanted to get one I'd have to travel too far for me to bother. Plus I am always too paranoid about not paying in cash anyway.

>> No.56176977
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56176977

>>56176792
Tbh I'd like something slim but like the Corsair board because it's a pretty decent size and the keys are protruding from the board to let the light out which I love (like pic related). Even though the keycool board which anon suggested was good, it just looked blah to me if you catch my drift. Also the large logo at the top right of the board was alittle ugly desu. Sorry if am coming off as picky.

>> No.56177046
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56177046

I got this for 2 bucks. How did I do?

>> No.56177056

What do you feel is the optimal tilt for keyboard? Around 7 degrees?

>> No.56177072

>>56176314
>I should mention I would like a decently sized keyboard too since I have large hands and feel uncomfortable using smaller keyboards. This will mainly be for gaming but mainly typing too.
just fyi most keyboards are standard size but with different layouts if you know what i mean so like a 60% layout still has a full-size typing area

>> No.56177110

>>56177046

Looks like a great deal to me. What switches does it have?

>> No.56177124

>>56177110
Idk but the back says it's a model m keyboard

>> No.56177169
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56177169

>>56176977
how about a noppoo spyder?

>> No.56177189

>>56177072
Ah I see, thank you for letting me know. I've used some keyboards in the past that just felt like dogshit because my hands were fighting for space, probably because they weren't mechanical.

>> No.56177215
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56177215

GMK Dolch group buy on geekhack

(geekhack) index.php?topic=84082.0

<150 sets sold = $115
150 sets sold = $105
250 sets sold = $95

Keyset info
http://keypuller.com/gmk-dolch-replica/

>> No.56177241

>>56176887
Okay nevermind fuck it, i'll get a credit card just for this. I really want a tenkeyless model and they definitely won't have any of those in the third world shithole "local" retailers.

Preferably something from Amazon then and new, not used before, and that looks simple and serious (without any gayming brands all over).

>> No.56177366

>>56177124
do the keys click or just feel like rubber? either way hell of a deal for 2 bucks.

>> No.56177381

>>56177169
That actually looks pretty nice. Never heard of the brand or model but it looks simplistic as fuck. I do have a question though, why do people disapprove of Corsair keyboards here? As you can tell am pretty new to all this.

>> No.56177423
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56177423

>>56177381
>why do people disapprove of Corsair keyboards here?
it's mostly memes

>> No.56177455

>>56177366
It's mechanical, I'll get one of the key caps off later and post results

>> No.56177492

>>56169153
Don't listen to that retard. I have one. It's an amazing keyboard.

>> No.56177510

>>56177381
Some corsair boards have nonstandard bottom rows so finding replacement keycaps sucks.
Others are just the usual overpriced "gamer"-branded stuff.

>> No.56177518

>>56177110
>>56177124
>>56177366
>>56177455
Both of you are newshits.

>> No.56177541

>>56177381
noppoo is a nice mid-low end brand and that doesn't mean that they are bad. Just don't expect high end features.
No why does /mkg/ hate corsair keyboards well its in the FAQs
7) Why does it seem like /g/ hates Razer and Corsair mechanical keyboards?
- Razer has changed from Cherry switches to Kailh switches without reducing the price of their products
- While using Kailh switches isn't inherently terrible, Razer have switched purely to increase their profits

- Corsair mechanical keyboards have a certain aesthetic to them which attracts a specific demographic
- Corsair boards use a non-standard layout for the 5th row. This makes buying after market keycap sets difficult
- There have been reports of quickly dying LEDs on certain Corsair models
- RGB versions of this keyboard have had numerous issues with drivers and flickering

>> No.56177558

>>56177518
>both of you
>quotes 3 people

>> No.56177561

>>56177541
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-green-switches-not-kailh,30817.html

>> No.56177604

>>56177423
>it's mostly memes
apart from being overpriced and having non-standard bottom rows?

>> No.56177621
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56177621

Does any body have any experience with the Cherry G80-3850? Is it any good?

>> No.56177635

>>56177561
So, they're not only made by kalih, they're also made by other Chink OEMs?

Doesn't really make anything better.

>> No.56177641

>>56177518
>he thinks all model ms have the same switch

>> No.56177654

>>56177604
corsair even uses ARM processors it's more that the cheapo chinkboards are underspeced for gaming

non-standard keys aren't a big deal if you aren't an obsessed key cap collector

>> No.56177676

>>56177654
>it's more that the cheapo chinkboards are underspeced for gaming
what

what kind of specs do you need in a keyboard to be suitable for gaymen?

>> No.56177678

>>56177621
My only complaint with cherry boards is to ditch the key caps for something better. But if that's the one you want go for it. Since its has 108 keys I recommend you get one of the ducky keycap sets

>> No.56177688

>>56177635
it's their own design. just because kailh is the manufacturer doesn't mean the design is bad. similar story with outemu/other vs noppoo gaote switches, people actually prefer noppoo switches to cherry mx switches

>> No.56177689

>>56177654
what do you think teensy microcontrollers in chinkboards use?

stop regurgitating corsair marketing crap

>> No.56177697
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56177697

This is the keyboard I bought. Nothing special but it was a reasonable price for me.

>> No.56177700

>>56177678
Cool, thanks. I'm just looking for a cheap board under £70.

>> No.56177708

>>56177561
>In our quest to measure some of these things for ourselves, Razer offered to provide us with a height gauge and some switches to measure
>Razer offered
Kek, doesn't sound like biased test at all

>Although we hoped to use the height gauge to measure multiple switches on actual keyboards, Razer advised us against it, as that use case is outside of the scope of what the machine is designed to accurately measure
>"Plz use our carefully prepared switches"

>Note that these tests were performed on two switches total
I like professionalism like that

I would love to see a competently done comparison though

>> No.56177715
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56177715

>>56177654
>corsair even uses ARM processors
Big deal even budget boards have arm processors now that let you do sweet shit with them

>> No.56177730

>>56177676
>>56177689
(at least most of them) certainly don't use ARM processors, it would be too expensive

a chinkboard has like 20 ms latency

http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/hardware/keyboard/choc-mini-analysis.html

with a more powerful processor you can scan the keys more frequently and it's not just corsair that are saying this it's cherry themselves too and cherry (ONLY cherry) have realkey technology to reduce latency from an average of 20 ms to less than 1 ms

>> No.56177749

>>56177715
ducky one is also like $115+ it's in the same price range as corsair

>> No.56177760

>>56177654
A 3$ Arduino has 16MHz, what do you want from a keyboard?

>> No.56177765

>>56177688
Kalih certainly won't have higher production standards and QC than Cherry. The switches follow pretty much the same design as that of cherry switches except for the heightened actuation point, so I'd say it's probably quite fair to say that they won't be better in quality than cherry.

Now consider the fact that they kept the price the same as it was with the cherry switches. There's no reason to buy that crap.

>>56177730
\>>56177730
>with a more powerful processor you can scan the keys more frequently and it's not just corsair that are saying this it's cherry themselves too and cherry (ONLY cherry) have realkey technology to reduce latency from an average of 20 ms to less than 1 ms
I'm aware of this, but what difference does it make in practical use?

>> No.56177772

>>56177760
i want a keyboard with low latency, 16 MHz isn't even a lot and you're scanning 100+ keys at a time

>> No.56177774
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56177774

https://wooting.nl
So I was wondering what you guys think of this, or the idea of an analog keyboard in general? I personally see a lot of use and potential in this, but I don't know how widespread that could get and be. Obviously, it could open up a lot of possibilities in PC gaming and provide options superior to both a normal keyboard+mouse and a controller. But what other industries can see benefit from this? Do you think it can become a standard? I mean, simply having the option of setting any key as a DInput axis or to any XInput is pretty significant, at least in gaming. For example, games, sims, and programs having to do with pic related can all find benefit from this.

>> No.56177792

>>56177749
>ducky one is also like $115+ it's in the same price range as corsair
The ones in stock right now are worth that much.
When the came out they were in the $99 price range but the prices slowly went up.
Anyway I got the non backlight version for $90 since I don't like LEDs and they were the only ones in stock.

>> No.56177801

>>56177730
bullshit, the ARM teensy boards are 3 dollars more than the cheapest model they make. the choc mini is slower because it's a 5+ year old design and nobody here recommends it.

most newer boards like the magicforce and zhuque use them and cost under 50 bucks.
they're more than capable for gaming or whatever faceplant typing use case you have

>> No.56177906

>>56169169
>>56175973

Brown switches are the best because you need to double tap to self cast in Dota 2, which is *problematic* with blue switches and you need to also type a lot to flame your teammates and you don't wanna look like a retard who makes lots of fat-fingered typos when flaming, so reds are also a no-no.

>> No.56178182

>>56177772
It's 16000000 instructions per fucking second. Let's assume you have a 10x10 matrix for easier calculations. In the program loop you disable the last scanned row and enable the next one for scanning. That's 2 operations that probably take a few times more instructions, let's generously assume 2*4 = 8. Then you check each of 10 inputs. You check if its state has changed since last scan and if it did, update and send the information. That's around 10 times (instructions for USB communication + 2). I have no idea how ATmega32U4 handles USB communication, but let's assume sending a information about one key press would cost 28 instructions. Then we have a total of 10*8 + 10*10*30 = 3080 instructions. Let's then check how many times a second we can scan the keyboard: 16000000/3080 =~ 5200, which means we scan the keyboard every ~0,20 milliseconds. To reach 1 millisecond wait time, you would need to need 16000 instructions for scanning the keyboard. I suppose the USB communication could be more complicated than I assumed (especially since keyboards usually don't send information about every single key press/release but rather packets), but I don't think it could reach 16K instructions. Even if you double my estimations (and I tried to take the higher guesses) you won't reach 16000. Maybe I'll check it when I start playing with my Arduino. I guess the delay comes either from:
>shit coding
>shit driver
>switch delay (I found figures as high as 3ms mentioned for mechanical switches, that sounds ridiculous though)
>kids that can't find a reason for being bad in vidya
Feel free to look for other explanations, but 16MHz is a lot for scanning a keyboard.

Not appreciating available computing power is the worst cancer of these times.
>good coding? nah, fuck this shit, the users should buy 16GB of RAM anyway

>> No.56178194
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56178194

how come there isn't any noppoo choc mini rgb on aliexpress? is the one on amazon a knockoff like the redditors implied?

and what do you think about this one with black POM keycaps and gateron blue switches then? it's available with cherry mx too but gateron is better right?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Gateron-Shaft-Noppoo-Choc-Mini-84-POM-Black-Keycaps-Wired-Gaming-Keyboard-Red-Black-Blue-Brown/32447217479.html

>> No.56178242

>>56178182
>what is memory latency
>implying 1 clock cycle = 1 instruction
wew lad, your estimates are way off base, if it was so easy then the average USB keyboard wouldn't have 20 ms latency

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56178273

>>56178242
Though yeah, "most" is a vague term.

>> No.56178296

>>56176887

Okay so I narrowed it down to either this
https://www.amazon.com/CHERRY-MX-Board-Mechanical-Keyboard-G80-3850LXBEU-2/dp/B00MN3MFV4/

or

https://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B007VDKLLM/

The first one isn't tenkeyless, but the second one is giving me bad bellyfeels because it's marketed as a "Gayming" keyboard. The first one is newer & straight from Cherry so it gives me good bellyfeels, plus it's available sooner (have to wait till August 26 for the QuickFire, and I'm horny now).

>> No.56178331

>>56178242
Okay, I looked through the instructions set, the highest is 5 for recalls and subroutine calls. The rest is 3 at most. Memory latency might indeed be a problem when talking about such short timespans.

>> No.56178402

>>56178242
Looked further into the datasheet, the memory has 2 cycle access time. Still not bad.

>> No.56178453
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56178453

so at the same price:

>black POM, gateron blue (might get hit with import fees)

vs

>coated POM, noppoo blue, RGB backlight (possibly fake?)

which one do i pick?! can you really do without RGB backlighting in the dark? if you set up the RGB light correctly then won't it be a huge visual aid to help you place your hands and hit the right keys, even if you don't look at it directly it's still in your peripheral vision. especially considering the "cluttered" layout of the choc mini

>> No.56178499

>>56178453
>can you really do without RGB backlighting in the dark?
Yes, you can.

>> No.56178507

>>56178453
gateron and non-coated (hopefully with a standard bottom row), not even a difficult decision at all.

>> No.56178544

>>56178453
How old are you? Is the light from your monitor not sufficient enough to see your keyboard. Even with the lowest settings on mine I can still see my keyboard

>> No.56178615

>>56178544
i've used my backlit microsoft reclusa for like 7 years, when i had a non-backlit keyboard it was with a different desk that partially blocked the light from the monitor. i suppose the non-backlit version might be fine, i was thinking the added visual contrast of the backlighting might help but the drawbacks of the backlit version might not be worth it (noppoo blues seem alright but the raw black POM is supposed to be really nice)
>From my own experience with the Noppoo Choc Mini, POM caps make me type FAST. Your fingers will tend to slide across keys instead of pecking them, like playing a piano almost. And yes, they do feel somewhat wet and slippery, but they are still textured and feel nicer than ABS imho. I currently love my thick PBT dye-subs. Super textured and nice feeling. But I'd use POM anyday.

>> No.56178730

>>56167304
maybe

MKC Metal Zinc Alloy ESC Personality Keycaps for Cherry MX

>> No.56179133
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56179133

Screw cherry and their datasheets

>> No.56179591

does everyone agree that gateron blue is better than cherry mx blue?

>> No.56179635

>>56179591
yes, but cherry greens are superior to both

>> No.56179664

>>56179591
I'm quite a fan of the Gateron White switches, shame there doesn't seem to be anything comparable from other companies

>> No.56179764

>>56178453
You need to shut your trap.

>> No.56179824

>>56179764
but is it fine to not have backlighting and not any custom colored keycaps just the original black keycaps?

>>56169905
>I wish it had a back-light

>> No.56179877

>>56179824
what wrong with a backlight keyboard?

>> No.56179900

Reds are literally Blacks except better.

>> No.56179939

>>56179900
Blacks are literally Reds except better.

>> No.56179954

>>56179939
Blacks are Reds for obese americans.

>> No.56179993

>>56179877
i actually want a backlit keyboard and that's the only thing that's making me doubtful about buying this with blue gaterons:
>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Noppoo-choc-mini-84-wired-noppoo-84-compact-mechanical-keyboard-POM-keycap-noppoo84-gaming-keyboard-gateron/32383433251.html

i'm not worried at all about the noppoo switches on this rgb backlit one so i might get the backlit one after all? and there are no worries about import fees since i'm in the EU
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00A45WK4U/

but the authenticity is questionable, there is no rgb version on aliexpress and the same seller on amazon has the non-backlit version cheaper than the non-backlit version on aliexpress

>> No.56180018

>>56179993 (Me)
but it could just be that the seller on amazon hasn't adjusted the pricing after the british pound dropped

>> No.56180093

>>56180018
Just shut up and buy one, its a fucking keyboard.
Stop with all these posts its driving me insane

>> No.56180133

>>56180093
i will probably order the rgb version tomorrow, you lose some of the tactile feel of the raw POM caps but you gain the rgb lights and the switches seem good, judging by people's anecdotes they seem to actually prefer noppoo's switches over cherry mx and a guy on youtube tested them and he says they have a pretty consistent 55 gram actuation force

>> No.56180221

>>56180133
>i will probably order the rgb version tomorrow,
no you won't you'll come back here again asking the same question 20 times. Just flip a coin and buy one

>> No.56180288

Going to try to RMA my k95 for something better fuck the LEDs breaking instantly wish me luck

>> No.56180312

>>56180288
Dude did you not read the FAQs linked in the OP

>> No.56180329

>>56180312
I bought it before that FAQ even existed

>> No.56180653

>>56180221
i've asked the amazon seller if they ship from the UK or from china since they say their items are in one place or the other, so i'll have to wait for their response, but they're supposed to answer within 3 working days

>> No.56180870

>>56177678
>>56177700
>>56177621

the capslock stem is off-off center, meaning you have to do a stem surgery to make it fit.

>> No.56181090

Are there small wireless mechanical keyboards? Bluetooth please.

>> No.56181249

>>56181090
either 150 bucks for a filco minila air, or 50bux for a lindontech with kailh

>> No.56181262

>>56181090
Like this?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiwu_P57NDOAhVK0WMKHTCODMQQFggmMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMajestouch-Bluetooth-Keyboard-FFBT67M-EB%2Fdp%2FB00F3V81VG&usg=AFQjCNG84659TlLKvBgCv8szg7juK069OA&sig2=ODvVR1hRCNJQ3n51EC7PBA

>> No.56181304

>>56181090
Royal Kludge RK61
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=316

Anne PRO
http://www.banggood.com/APP-Control-Anne-PRO-Blue-Red-Switch-RGB-Bluetooth-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-p-1064055.html

>> No.56181406
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56181406

I have a question:
When making your own keyboard, why does something like a TKL board cost at around $35, whereas you could get something like one of those cheapo tokomo mechanicaleagle keyboards from amazon, desolder the switches and use the board inside that for around the same price?

For around the same price you also get some cheap caps and an enclosure. I mean, the PCB probably wouldn't be the highest of quality, but you get much more material and things to tinker and mod with. If you don't want to temporarily use the cheapo caps or enclosure, just toss them and use what you were gonna use originally.

>> No.56181446

>>56181406
Probably a combination of things:
1. Only one (or a few) people working on it.
2. Quality.
3. Enthusiats will pay more for anything.

>> No.56181701

>>56153962
What lube should I use to lube up my NT

>> No.56181745

>>56159323
Can't gay mens on it

>> No.56181799

>>56169228
Even underage would have easily used PS/2, It's just easy to forget how that shit worked 10 years ago

>> No.56181893

I'm getting the SA Chocolatier keycaps from massdrop. I wanna repaint my case to match, but I'm stuck between metal flake white and and dark brown.

Thoughts?

http://zambumon.github.io/

>> No.56181909

>>56156564
You seem to be using the term built in very loosely

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>>56181249
>>56181262
>>56181304
Thanks to everyone
Have a polywell fusion reactor.

>> No.56181996

>>56156564
That LCD is pretty neat, what is it?

>> No.56182013
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56182013

>>56181893
silver

>> No.56182242
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56182242

I wanna try out omron amber switches but there are no boards available for sale. Anyone know of a place I could try to find them?

>> No.56182444

>>56169169

Get a Razer mechanical keyboard for maximum APM!!

>> No.56182463

>Budget
$50
>Location (continent at least)
U.S.
>Preferred switch type
Brown
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL or more little
>Backlight
nope
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer BlackWidow 2014 / Corsair Strafe RGB Cherry MX Silent

>> No.56182597

>>56153253
Is the only way to get caps for a decent price on massdrops?

>> No.56182619

>>56182463
https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Mechanical-Keyboard-Water-Resistant-Anti-ghosting/dp/B01DBJTZU2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1471730377&sr=8-5&keywords=mechanical+keyboard

A lot of people on /mkg/ have this board so you could ask them how it is

>> No.56182637

>>56182597
no
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=40

>> No.56183060

>>56182597
there are caps on taobao, not sure how easy it is to buy from there but there's an option to ship overseas

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