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Wood edition

>Buyer's template:
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Where to Buy:
http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL
>FAQs:
http://pastebin.com/M5w7QtKp
>Use buyers template
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Keyset wiki
keypuller.com

old thread (nobody really cares)
>>55318685

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i bought pic related. its a ducky one cherry red white and grey pbt sublimated caps. also bought a monoprice 10 foot long usb cable to reach my computer. its my first real mechanical keyboard. its replacing my corsair strafe i just returned.

did i do good?

>url for those interested
>https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1686

>> No.55349909

>>55349884

yeah

>> No.55349939

ducky shine 3 stopped working. think it might be usb cable. says usb device not recognized.


any ideas? leds aren't even powering on

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meme aver another meme

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>>55349940
i ordered mine

fresh memes

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>>55349544
I should get Kotori to go along with my keycaps.

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woo!

just need to program it now
(assuming nothing went wrong in the soldering)

>> No.55350545

What's the difference between ducky one, shine, and zero?

>> No.55350695

>>55349884
Yeah that's pretty good. Maybe work your way up to some better switches eventually, but other than that sweet.

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>>55350146
>>55350146
looks sweet

what caps you got for it?

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>>55350716
thanks!

once it's done, i'll just put on the caps which came stock with my pok3r.

i have an order of 1976 ergodox caps coming but
1) i might hate the profile
2) i might hate shiny abs
3) the gradient being slightly off might bother me to the point of not being able to use it

but no other set has caught my attention for the time being.

>> No.55350805

>>55350787
Ahh yeah

I myself can't get behind abs at all, and i don't like how the spacebar breaks the perfect gradient on 1976.

>> No.55350829

>>55350695
better switches? i thought cherries were great switches?

>> No.55350838

>>55350787
Can I put ALPS in this bitch?

>> No.55350846

>>55349940
There is going to be an immeasurable amount of shit beneath those caps

>> No.55350856

>>55350545
Amount of flare

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>>55350805
the spacebar wouldn't be an issue because it's the ergodox layout, but this also adds more problems

>>55350838
yep! just let him know if you want a cherry, or alps plate layer.

i believe the default full kit comes with matias switches

>> No.55351124

>>55350884
Awesome brah. I have some cream ALPS I need to use

>> No.55351176

>>55350884
When I see a board like this i want to make a what the fuck board with random switches. Be like nigga its alpscherrytron. Maybe grab some of cooler masters switches too.

>> No.55351290

>>55350829
Naw cherries are all marketing man. Gaterons are wayy smoother and still cheaper.

>> No.55351401

>>55351124
sounds good my man

>>55351176
i think you'd need a custom plate laser cut for that? with some holes for cherry and some for alps

but i really don't know

>> No.55351434

>>55351401
yah but would be fun to do.

>> No.55351480

>>55351434
yeah, agreed. that would be quite the ultimate switch testing really

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Best

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>>55349544
Does the Spacesaver come in meme flavor?

is there ANY keyboard other than the practically nonexistant TEX Yoda that has a trackpoint and is mechanical?

Or am I fucked?

>> No.55352764

>>55349544
Now we need the guy with soap case to post his abomination.

>> No.55352769
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>>55352526
Has anyone used one of these? I'm debating between this and the Spacesaver II.

In particular, I want to know how these trackpoint buttons feel. They LOOK like total shit, and the lack of a middle click might cause me to go with the bigger SSII anyway.

>> No.55352851

>>55352526

maxi switch/lexmark m13

space saver only comes in membrane buckling spring for mechanical, with no trackpoint. need a kishsaver for better switches ($$$$$$$)

the II is still a rubber dome, nothing special at all

>> No.55352888

>>55352851
God damn it. That doesn't come tenkeyless, does it?

>> No.55352925

>>55352888

right, m13 is full-size only. model m ssk and model f kishsaver both don't have the trackpoint.

shitty catch 22, but imo trackballs are way more fun

>> No.55352932

>>55352888
the kishsaver does not, no

but there is something called the Model M SSK that you should look into

>> No.55352977

>>55352932
Those don't have trackpoints.

I'm looking for a TKL Trackpoint Mechanical.

>> No.55352999

>>55352977
The only thing that you're going to get is the tex yoda, which as far as I know is unavailable and only 60%

>> No.55353023

>>55352999
Yeah I've been looking for the TEX Yoda for months. It's literally the exact keyboard I want. Feels bad man.

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I miss this keyboard... Complicated white ALPS.

>> No.55353300

>>55349940
fugly

>> No.55353338

>>55352769
You can usually middle click by pressing both buttons at the same time...

>> No.55353359

>>55353300

agreed, more tacky pseudo hipster crap

>> No.55353452

>>55349940
It's just a magicforce (best budget mechanical) with shitty keycaps.

>> No.55353762
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I guess I have no choice but to go with the antimeme and buy a shitty bluetooth island style scissor switch keyboard until I can get my hands on the retarded rare Tex Yoda :(

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>>55349847

>> No.55354203

>>55353762
If I could find one of those for under $50 I would probably buy it.

>> No.55354630

>>55352764
>>55353763

>> No.55354663

Been typing on membranes my entire life and now looking to pick up a mech. When I stopped by microcenter to try out some keyboards, mx reds felt louder than blues (probably because I was bottoming out a ton).

Should I just start with a $100 MX blue keyboard or just try something like clears or greens? I do a bit of programming and a little bit of gaming.

>> No.55354678

>>55354663
topre

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>>55354630
Always a pleasure

>> No.55355313

>>55354203
I decided against it because scissor switches are cancer. Having to use them on my laptop as I type this is bad enough.

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>>55354663
I'm sure you bottom out often faggot

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>>55354663
try this

>> No.55355605

Is there anyway to convert a rubber dome to anything more mechanical without soldering new leads? Adding springs, adjusting the rubber domes somehow? I don't even need it to be completely converted to a real switch, just something less rubber dome-esque

>> No.55355621

>>55355605
depends - but why???

>> No.55355758

>>55355621
I have a particular rubber dome I'm fond of.

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Aw hell yeah, I got my Planck plates.
Paid 8$ for both of them, a quarter of what I was expecting. Found a local laser cutting shop and they finished everything in three days after my first email to them. I couldn't be happier.

Now I'll clean the plates to make them look like new, and after that I'll begin ordering the rest of the keyboard parts.

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>>55355988
dumb fourchan un-flipped my photo, sorry.
Posting again.

>> No.55356163

Any site that ships keycaps from europe except ukkeycaps?

>> No.55356351

>>55349544
i know they have a lighter spring but are GATERON browns less tactile then zealios? and would they be less wobbly

>> No.55356367

>>55355605
No, not really.

>> No.55356380

>>55356351
>less tactile then zealios?
yes, but not terrible like MX browns
they do wobble less

>> No.55356525

Help me, /g/

>Budget
170

>Location (continent at least)
Canada

>Preferred switch type
not sure

>Layout
ansi

>Form factor
100

>Backlight
yes

>Previous/current keyboards
shitty walmart keyboard

>> No.55356543

>>55356525
>not sure
This is kind of very important. Go to a Canada Computers or NCIX and check out their demo boards to see what you like.

>> No.55356576
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What does /mkg/ think about the g710?
It's currently 60€, and i've never owned a mechanical keyboard.

>> No.55356589

>>55356576
Gay but less expensive than other gay shit.

>> No.55356682

>>55356543
I spent some time on google and found a switch I think would work for me

>Budget
170

>Location (continent at least)
Canada

>Preferred switch type
cherry my blue

>Layout
ansi

>Form factor
100

>Backlight
yes

>Previous/current keyboards
shitty walmart keyboard

>> No.55356692

>>55356576
>>55324946

>> No.55356694

>>55356682
ducky

>> No.55356929

>>55349544
Tolles keyboard, freund.

Was Holz ist das, Mahagonifarben vielleicht?

Entschuldigund fur meinem rostig Deutsch, ich komme aus verdammt Bulgarien...

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>>55356929
i'm not german

it's walnut IIRC

>> No.55357085

I've tried all switches.

Nothing better than topreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>> No.55357091

>>55356694
Going with a ducky shine 5

>> No.55357145

>>55350884
Is there a split keyboard, smaller than the ergodox? Kind of like a split Atreus.

>> No.55357220

>>55356682
>I spent some time on google and found a switch I think would work for me
Fuck you, go into a store to make sure.

>> No.55357400

>>55357145
pretty sure there are split plank builds

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wow hey these are kind of expensive

like 300€ expensive

>> No.55358030

Anyone want a candy corn clack for $100?

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>>55358008
i like this

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>> No.55359476

>>55357145
someone on leddit made a split atreus
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1646718

or like >>55357400 said, you could do a split planck. i believe wootpatoot just did a splanck pcb group buy

>> No.55359570

>>55357145
Since some anons are mentioning split Planck, there's always Diverge TM, which is a split Terminus Mini.

http://unikeyboard.io/product/diverge-tm/

Or just Diverge, but it's pretty big.

>> No.55359945

>>55358378
Is there any place to get keycaps like the ones in this photo?

>> No.55360222
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How about this?

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>>55358108
>>55358008
>>55360222

>> No.55360628

>>55360562
I just don't get the price. How is it justified?

>> No.55360659

>>55360628
its not

>> No.55360759

>>55355574
I want something tactile or clicky for typing, though. I just don't want to annoy my roommate. Maybe I'll just stick to clears, since browns are supposedly gross.

>> No.55360870

>>55360628
being made in germoney

>> No.55360905

>>55349630
man i want that windows keycap

>> No.55360930

GF wants to buy a Razer keyboard. Reasons why not to? Alternatives?

>> No.55360936

>>55360930
break up with her

>> No.55360957

>>55360930
breaking up with her is probably a good idea

>> No.55361080

>>55360930
shitty, inconsistent quality and proprietary switches (that are inconsistent and low quality). two friends of mine have the new chroma black widow and while they're the same switch type, one feels like knockoff blues while the other feels like mushy reds. you'd have to ask your wife for specifics like switch type and leds if you want alternatives. if she wants rgb, the ducky disco seems promising.

>> No.55361168

>>55360870
I'm German. It's not justified.

>> No.55361352

>>55361168
paying $400 for a custom korean keyboard isn't either but whatever
if you've ever bought a GMK keyset you could have expected this

>> No.55361626

weird question: has anybody ever tried using smooth (i.e red or black) switches on the WASD keys, with clicky switches on the rest?

I hate blues on the WASD keys for gaming but love them for typing, and don't want to own two keyboards.

Anyone tried it?

>> No.55361824

>>55361626
so you want to ruin your typing experience for gaymes

just buy two keyboards, stop being a bitch

>> No.55361898

>>55361626
get topre

>> No.55361939

>>55349544
what case is that?

>> No.55362052

>>55361352
In fact GMK caps are original cherry caps. As a former supplier they bought the moulds. I mainly use original cherry caps, so I can say I have GMK caps for cheap.

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>>55349544
Since this board is so stupidly rare me and a friend are designing our own and planning on doing a group buy once we've built a prototype.

The trackpoint alone is at least $60/pop thanks to patent holding Jews.

Planned features:
- 60%, TKL, and Full Size
- $200. - $300 price range
- RGB backlit keys

Style would mimic the TEX Yoda but actually be fucking available. Would anyone be interested? Will post prototype once complete. We've already sourced the JewPoint OEM.

>> No.55362157

>>55362128
I'm Interested.

>> No.55362176

What does /mkg/ think of AULA?

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>>55362052
yes i know
and so do i
whoop whoop

>> No.55362372

>>55362128
>RGB backlit keys
Keep that optional or stick to white. People here aren't a fan of backlights. Might want to throw some PBT in there as well.

>> No.55362400

>>55362128
Have you designed boards before? That many layouts and RGB lighting seems ambitious.

>> No.55362654

>>55362372
That's what I said but my friend who is the engineer wants it in. It's going to be fully configurable.

>>55362400
I am a programmer but for this project I will be mostly marketing and sourcing. My friend's is a lie long engineer and the most autistic tech savant I have met in my life. Designing PCBs and writing firmware/code is his hobby, job, and lifelong passion. It's in good hands.

We won't ask for anything except poll style data until a fully working prototype is complete. He just wants to make sure he isn't wasting his time.

>> No.55362706

>>55362654
Friend is a life long engineer*

Autocorrect a shit.

>> No.55362814

I got a mechanical keyboard recently at an Amazon overstock store for 5 dollars and I am so glad you guys told me to one. I would gladly pay 100 dollars for one after using it

>> No.55362843

>>55362814
Also I used to think they were meme products and I might end up getting a better one with a num pad also it's some Chinese brand with an eagle logo and blue switch keys

>> No.55362945

>>55349847
>>55353827
I don't know about those gaymer fonts but I kinda like those dice keycaps.

>> No.55363049

>>55360759
I have clears, they're the best, not too loud if loud if you don't bottom them out, you could always get o-rings.

Browns are like reds with dirt in them

>> No.55363060

>>55362945
please leave

>> No.55363106

Should I order a tada68?

Dunno D:

>> No.55363176

>>55362843
>better one
>num pad
pick one

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>>55363106
Absolutely.

It's 30 bucks shipping for me, but it's still cheaper than any equivalent option.

>> No.55363383

>>55362128
Is it possible to get one of those TrackPoints anywhere? I just want one for my custom keyboard, but haven't been able to find anything.

>> No.55363403

>>55363383
Rip another one apart or search around oem part sites for the term "pointing stick"

Ripping one out is actually cheaper because Jews.

>> No.55363413

>>55362128
I'm not interested in actually owning one, but I'm still highly interested. Keep us posted.

>> No.55363420

>>55362128
make it hhkb layout (without floating switches ofc) and replace the lame rgb shit with pbt caps

>> No.55363426

>>55350716
you put your bottom row on incorrectly
you should fix it

maybe you should have stuck with legends

>> No.55363461

>>55363403
>Rip another one apart
Like, from anywhere? I have an X220, can I rip it out of it?
Last time I tried it had impossibly tight screws right on the part that connects the trackpoint to the keyboard, but I'll try again if there's a chance of making use of it.

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well it's not pretty, but it works :^)

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>>55363426
fucking reet

>> No.55363503

>>55363480
>it's not pretty
if you put on some nicer looking caps it will be

>> No.55363517
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Why don't we have buckling spring keyboards outside of unicomp? The meme about unicomp owning rights is just a meme. The patent expired ages ago.

They're obviously in high demand since IBM Model Meme costs a gorrilion shekels.

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>>55363503
that's the plan, just don't have any currently

>> No.55363544

>>55363461
Dude what? Buy a usb or ps2 external thinkpad keyboard you retard.

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>>55363537
which ones are you considering?
i thinks blanks would look nice but that's just me :3

>> No.55363791

>>55353338
No you can't, I have one of these. Stop making shit up.

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>>55363565
i'm going to get some blanks for it for sure. not sure if they will be what i end up using all the time, but id like to have the option available for them

i have 1976 ergo caps ordered, but i covered why im probably not going to like them here >>55350787

>> No.55363838

>>55363517
>They're obviously in high demand
Obviously not high enough for someone to actually care about entering the market.

Though someone did make those model f reproductions recently. I'm still waiting for the chinks to come up with a cheap model m clone, but they seem to be mainly marketing towards the gaymurr crowd.

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>>55363060
Make me

>> No.55363856

>>55363842
but i used the magic word

>> No.55363869

>>55363842
>mixing PBT and ABS

that's disgusting anon

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How's the quality of DSA PBT blank caps?
It's not like I have a choice or anything, I just want to know what to expect before I drop 50$ on them.

>> No.55363903

>>55363856
you did, didn't you. alright i'll play nice.

>>55363869
i know i know, it's just for now. waiting on a keycap set to ship some time in august. meanwhile im pretending to ignore the inconsistent feel of the keys.

>> No.55363972

>>55359945
https://world.taobao.com/item/531717015583.htm#detail

>> No.55363989

>>55363176
Why does /g/ hate num pads

>> No.55364027

>>55363989
Redundant, waste space between mouse and keyboard, less compact.
Unless you enter a LOT of numbers, you really have no use for it. I forced my switch from numpad to the number row a couple of months ago and couldn't be happier with the decision.

>> No.55364078

>>55363989
>>55364027
Or you could just get a standalone numpad

>> No.55364088

>>55363895
How and why do people use these?

>>55363989
Numpads are a giant meme for anyone but accountants.

>> No.55364109

Are all MX Cherry keycaps compatible with Gateron switches? Do I need special keycaps for Topre switches?

>> No.55364116
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>>55364088
>How and why do people use these?
Layers, man.
It's completely programmable. I'll be building one soon.

>> No.55364140

>>55364116
I would kill myself if I had to code on one of these. I guess for normie usage it could be OK after some getting used to.

>> No.55364193

>>55364140
>I would kill myself if I had to code on one of these
Literally what I'll be using it for.
I don't think it's impossible to get used to for any purpose. I'm already using a pretty cramped keyboard, so my body is almost ready.

>> No.55364240

>>55364116
Why the fuck is the enter key not on the home row.

Triggered.

>>55364109
>Are all MX Cherry keycaps compatible with Gateron switches?
Yes.

And yes, you need special keycaps for Topre.

>> No.55364244

>>55364193
>having to hit an extra key for every bracket, comma, period, parenthesis, etc
Dear god why are you doing this to yourself? I'm loving my 60% layout and don't see the need for 40% memes.

>> No.55364350

>>55364240
>Why the fuck is the enter key not on the home row.
There's no empty space on the home row.

>>55364244
>for every bracket, comma, period, parenthesis
>comma, period
Hey now, it's not that crazy.
Also, you already hold a key to hit a bracket. The jump from 1 to 2 keys isn't as big as 0 to 1.

>why are you doing this to yourself
It's the cheapest ortholinear to build. Still very expensive, though.

Picrelated is my layout I'm throwing together. It gets messy with the Cyrillics, so I removed them.

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>>55364350
>picrelated
fuq
actually picrelated

>> No.55364422

>>55364240
Thanks. You know some good PBT keycaps for a NovaTouch?

>> No.55364468

>>55364422
>NovaTouch
The whole point of the novatouch is that it's compatible with cherry mx keycaps. Choose whatever PBT caps suit your taste (just make sure they're either doubleshot, or preferably, dye-sublimated).

>> No.55364508

>>55364350
>>55364370
Hmm you're right.

Ok now you're tempting me. I don't wanna fall for this meme.

>> No.55364543

>>55364468
Thanks, I didn't even know that. I know about keycap printing as I've owned a mech in the past.

>> No.55364548

>>55364508
Don't. Ortholinears haven't gained much traction for a reason, so it's hard to even call it a meme.
I just want to build my own keyboard and Planck is one of the cheapest and most exciting ways to do it.

>> No.55364579

>>55364543
>I didn't even know that
The whole point of the novatouch is that it's cherry mx compatible. Literally the only reason to buy it over another Topre (other than price, but higher end Topre comes with stock dye-subbed PBT)

>> No.55364627

>>55364548
They get posted multiple times in every thread. I'm trying to minimize space on my desk as much as possible. I want a planck now with a trackpoint.

>> No.55364669

>>55364579
I just wanted to get the NovaTouch as my first new mech because it's easily available, has a decent price and has Topre switches, which I've never had before.. Might get a Pok3r or Noppoo in the future.

>> No.55364670

>>55364627
>They get posted multiple times in every thread.
Sorry, it's 70% just me because I'm still pretty excited about it and asking questions.

>I want a planck now with a trackpoint.
That's the dream, man.
If it's as easy as some people say, I'll be all over that shit after I finish just the keyboard.

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>>55364669
You're a funny guy anon.

Enjoy your novatouch, Topre is quite nice (will probably be picking up a 55g realforce once I'm Japan).

>> No.55364719

>>55364698
im into this one anon. what is it?

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>>55364719
HHKB Pro 2

>> No.55364783

>>55364698
whats the funny part, gunslinger girl? >:(

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>>55364783
The fact that you consider a novatouch cheap and easily available (or rather, that this is the face for you) and that you got it without knowing that it's cherry mx compatible.

Nothing wrong with your purchase, quite the opposite actually, it's just kind of cute.

>> No.55364961

>>55364872
>face
*case

I'm not even on my phone.
I have no idea how I managed to make a typo this terrible.

>> No.55364989

>>55364872
its 130 sheckels at any mainstream electronics store, unlike a pok3r, hhkb, das or ducky which have to be imported or bought at some second grade webstore

thank tho, owner of a cute hhkb

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>>55364989
>its 130 sheckels at any mainstream electronics store
wait wait wait

You can buy a fucking novatouch in an actual brick and mortar store?

Where the fuck do you live that you have stores with novatouches in stock and for sale?

>> No.55365120

>>55365027
Netherlands
currently 16 stores with next-day delivery with prices ranging from €129 to €153.

>> No.55365148

>>55365120
oh, so you do order it in online stores.

Nice to hear that shit's becoming more widely available, last I checked for a novatouch around here it was around 200 bucks.

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>>55365148
about four of them have actual store, one of them being a big retailer (MediaMarkt) which has a store in pretty much every city.

according to the price graph, they had a major price drop in nov 2015. green line is the minimum and the blue line the average of all stores.

>> No.55365828

Do I get an ES-87 with clears or a barebones Novatouch?

>> No.55367341

>>55365173
What keyboard is that?

>>55365828
novatouch

>> No.55367436
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caps

>> No.55367458

>>55367436
nice, i like those colors a lot

>> No.55367483

>>55367458
they cost a lot and i can never use them because ABS and pad printed sub legends

but i can take pictures

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>>55367483
ahh that's too bad.

is how all gmk sets are? GMK Cyrillic is one of my favorite sets

>> No.55367599

>>55367552
Is that just me or the modern Windows logo ruins the aesthetic?

>> No.55367605

>>55367552
they're doubleshot ABS and they always have been

this set just has printed us itnl sub legends

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>>55367599
yeah, i can definitely see what you mean, i guess there is a way around that :^)

>>55367605
ah i see, thank you

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>ants come out of my keyboard

jesus christ i'm disgusting

>> No.55367707
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Got my chink mech keyboard today.
Seems pretty decent, especially for £32. It even has normal Enter key.

>> No.55367742

>>55367691
>there is a way around that :^)
it's stupid.
I'm biased since Win key is the basis of many of my keybindings, but what is/was the point of getting rid of the key? I'll probably never get a Model M because of that.

>> No.55367754

>>55367691
>being so much butthurt linuxfag

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>>55367754
this isn't even bait wtf

>> No.55367808

>>55367701
yes you are

>>55367707
i always liked the looks of that one but when you can get a cooler master which has cherry and not kailh switches, and isn't too much more money, i dont see the point of it

>>55367742
because some people don't use it, and you can bind another useless key like scroll lock to the windows key

not that it matters, because i agree it's a stupid thing to take away considering you can bind the key to something else more useful if you don't want to have a windows key. i just don't think it would be much of a loss for me personally to not have it.

>>55367754
what lol

>> No.55367815

>>55367701
put ant poison underneath the keys?

>> No.55367842

>>55367808
>like scroll lock to the windows key
>"""Win key is the basis of many of my keybindings"""
scroll lock is literally 6 parsecs away from any of my fingers at all times, while win key is close to my thumb

-4/10 suggestion, made me reply

>> No.55367854

>>55367842
:^) just start using a superior OS (^:

>> No.55367876

>>55367854
>:^) just start using a superior OS (^:
>implying win key only works on windows

>> No.55367946

>>55367876
did you even bother reading the rest of what i said
>i agree it's a stupid thing to take away considering you can bind the key to something else more useful if you don't want to have a windows key

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>>55367946
>did you even bother reading the rest of what i said
no, it's not like i replied to your every post

>> No.55368302

>>55363791
Are you a Windoze Luser?

>> No.55368308

>>55362128
Absolutely interested.

Fuck off with the RGB backlight though. And a blue enter key!

>> No.55368314

>>55368302

autism, everyone

>> No.55368695

>>55368314
>Buttmad that his OS HID drivers are inferior

>> No.55369001

Does anyone here use a Kinesis, Goldtouch, or another ergonomic keyboard? None of that Microsoft Ergo shit.

Would appreciate if you could share your thoughts/experience/feedback before I plunk down $300.

>> No.55369529

Came in here to say rubber keyboards for life and mechanical keyboards are a scam.

>> No.55369735
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>>55369529
>rubber keyboards
???

>> No.55369763

>Budget
$100
>Location (continent at least)
USA
>Preferred switch type
Blue/Red
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL
>Backlight
I really don't need one
>Previous/current keyboards
Current is a razer Anansi

i-i like plain looking ones the best

>> No.55369814

>>55369001
I use a kinesis freestyle 2 full time at work. It's not a mechanical keyboard but it's a great keyboard, in my experience. The only thing I dislike is some of the function key choices they made.

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cant wait for the ckyk to come in
the black legends look nice
probably going to throw them on the tada68 when it comes in
>>55364989
bro when are you going to japan?
i remember you said you were going this year or next right?

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>>55349940
Ayeee

Actually a decent keyboard, easy to clean, fair price, subjectively looks pretty. I'm just too afraid to replace keycaps because I suck at remembering function keys.

>> No.55369844

>>55369830
make a cheat sheet

or post a full picture of the function keys and i'll make one for you

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hey guys :)

>> No.55369907

>>55369853
What board?

>> No.55369974

>>55369907
looks like kbparadise v60

>> No.55369997

>>55369853
>>55365173
How do you like Taihao caps?
Tempted to buy, but thin PBT + coating seems not worth it

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>>55369997
Not him, but i have 2 taihao sets and it's not worth it.

>> No.55370311

>>55363517
Programable model f: https://www.modelfkeyboards.com

>> No.55370313

>>55369997
I have one set. I like them but I don't like them as much as vortex pbt

>> No.55370320

whos getting the tada68?
im getting it but i cant decide if i want back lighting too. never had a board with leds before
for $5 extra it sounds like a good deal but i hear leds die quick
would it be a good idea to get it but just not use it if i dont like it?

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>>55370320
sheit forgot the pic

>> No.55370327

>>55370320
I never use the backlighting on my board. You might as well get it though so you can come to the same conclusion yourself

>> No.55370350

Anyone else wash their keycaps when they get a new set in? When I got a set in from Ducky, there was some sort of coating that I could only describe as factory junk. Needless to say, I didn't want that on my hands so I went and washed them with dish soap.

>> No.55370351

>>55370327
yeah i was hitting enter i realized i should just get it
$5 extra isnt a big deal

>> No.55370377

>>55369814
>kinesis freestyle 2
Do you feel like there was less strain on your hands/fingers/wrists after a day of using the Freestyle 2? For me this is really the question of getting the most comfortable option that can protect me from RSI.

If anyone else has uses Kinesis or related stuff, please share your experience.

>> No.55370381

Looking to get a tiny keyboard like the pok3r, but not looking to spend a fortune. Would prefer reds, but any are fine. Anyone got any suggestions?

>> No.55370404

>>55370381
check out the kbp v60, it's a bit cheaper
and there's the tada68 if you're into waiting

>> No.55370480

>>55370381
v60 on mechanicalkeyboards
you can get a gateron model for 89 w/ free shipping
got my v60 with yellows from there

>> No.55370501

>>55370404
>>55370480
Thanks! I'm gonna research both these boards. Look interesting!

>> No.55370528
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>>55370501
its a decent board
the tada is looking good too especially for the price, im definitely getting it
heres a pic of my v60

>> No.55370581

>>55370528
I've only ever used cherry MX. How do these feel in comparison?

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>>55370528
I'm incredibly jealous of your keyboard. I want those jap and win95 keycaps.

>> No.55370598

>>55370581
they are cherry clones basically
the gateron blue is the same as cherry blue etc
the gateron yellow is sort of like a cherry black but with a little heavier bottom out weight, but i hear the new ones are just the same as blacks
some people like gaterons more than cherry
its just preference you know?

>> No.55370612

>>55370598
I think I understand. Thanks a bunch, will be going with one of these boards.

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>>55370583
there is a new gb on gh that is for keysets, one of which is the jp set i believe
and shadovved is selling extra win95 keys, dont know if he has any left though

>> No.55370627

>>55370614
Where can I get that keyboard and keycap set on cherry red switches?

>> No.55370645

>>55370627
>Buy keyboard with reds
>Buy keycaps
>Put them on

>> No.55370648
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my ducky shine 3 stopped working randomly.I unplugged it and plugged it back in and said usb device not recognized. tried diff usb cable and same result.

thoughts?

maybe I did a keyboard shortcut by mistake? or something to do with the DIP switches

>> No.55370652

>>55370627
keyboard is a v60, you can get that at a few sites
keycap was from ivans pbt round 4, but i dont know the exact gb that is going on for them now
the win95 keys were from shadovveds latest gb, may not be extras

>> No.55370678

TADA68 keyboard any good? What are Gateron switches?

>> No.55370690

tada68 isnt out yet, set to ship in august or somethin
looks good, fully programable, cheep pbt keys and shit
gateron switches are cherry clones, said to be gud

>> No.55370713

>>55370627
https://geekhack org/index.php?topic=78563.0
for win95

>https://geekhack org/index.php?topic=81833.0
for jp keycaps

>> No.55370801

Someone post a picture of that keyboard with purple japanese keys

>> No.55370922
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First for artisanal keyboards

>> No.55371054

>>55370922
I wasn't aware that the definition of "artisanal" is "instagram filter".

>> No.55371119

>>55363426
Are you actually stupid. Do you really think they aren't correct.

>thisbait

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>>55371054
焼く

>> No.55371137

>>55369816
that board is fucking amazing

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>>55371137
thanks bruv
hers a pic i took during the daytime

>> No.55371178

>buys expensive mechanical keyboards cus autistic
>can't even write a buyer's guide
Oh the irony. Most retarded general on this board

>> No.55371228

>>55371178
There's one on installgentoo.

>> No.55371292

>>55371147
ahhh the colors.What is it?? Couldn't tell if it was mentioned in earlier post

>> No.55371366

>>55371147
>>55371292

Actually I think i just found the board and modifiers

>> No.55371368

>>55371292
they mods are cmy mods from shadovves gb
keys are the simple black legend keys fro the same buy

>> No.55371400

>>55371368
Ah ok ty

>> No.55371425

>>55371400
hers the gb
geekhack org/index.php?PHPSESSID
=b36kcj6vuu7mse80g
000dilaumkqllsi&topic=78563.0
and the board is a kul es-87 with a white faceplate with cherry blacks

>> No.55371482

>>55371425
Wow ok thanks again

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>>55371482
no prob

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I was getting a new keyboard anyways, but I'm surprised that no one made a fuss about this like they have with Corsair keyboards.

>> No.55371968

>>55370320
dont get backlighting
it will be a bitch to desolder when you wanna replace the switches

>> No.55371986

>>55370381
you can get an rk61 for 40 pounds

>> No.55371996

>>55370581
they are smoother and that is not debatable

>> No.55372099

>>55371986
I have one of those. Kailh blue switches. Would not recommend unless are really budget.

>> No.55372489

>>55371607
Non-standard bottom row is a crime when it's for no reason. That das keyboard at least has an Fn button to justify it, while corsair has literally no excuse for fucking shit up.

>> No.55372755

>>55372489
should still just make rightshift smaller and put it there though

its still a crime

>> No.55372812

>>55371986
2 stars on Amazon, sketchy.

>> No.55372838

>>55372812
eh, its got shit switches but replacing them with gaterons will still be alot cheaper then a pok3r

>> No.55372986

>>55370614
Do you have a link, I'm too retarded to understand how to get stuff off geekhack. Nice keycaps.

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>>55369816
>bro when are you going to japan?
Flying off in just about a week from now

Where'd your nice Kana legends go?

>> No.55373378

>>55372999
Do you have a keyboard sitter already? If not, I can help with that :^)

>> No.55373607

>>55367341

Leopold 750.

>>55369997

They're OK. Haven't had much issue with the coating yet.

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>> No.55373691

>>55363565
What board is that?

>> No.55373762

>>55367707
Where did you order this from?

>> No.55373765

>>55373691
noppoo choc mini

>> No.55373789

>>55373762
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01EJ3219Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>> No.55373820

>>55373789
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01EJ3219Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks anon. Showing for £50 though.

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>>55373820
Price must have went up or is out of amazon's stock

>> No.55373977

How many people actually take their mech to their work?

>> No.55374043

>>55373977
I'm learning to touch type and can type quite well on my mechanical but type like shit on my works scissor switch. Thinking of getting a cheap one to take in.

>> No.55374104

>>55373977
I used to bring mine to APCS but after a while I decided it was inconvenient to bring a full-size keyboard everyday if I'm only going to use it for an hour.

>> No.55374203
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if i buy this, how would i go about removing the hhkb logo?

>> No.55374498

>>55374203
Impossible to do without ruining the surface. I guess you could cover it with something or try to find a different case for it.

The logo is also half the reason you spend so much money to get the thing, just like an expensive clothing brand.

>> No.55374530

Are there any cases for NT?

>> No.55374722

>>55374498
>The logo is also half the reason you spend so much money to get the thing, just like an expensive clothing brand.
yeah i know but there arent any cheaper topre alternatives that have this layout :/

thanks for the help though, do you know of any different cases for it?

>> No.55374784

>>55361939
op? please?
I can't find anything, and I really like it. Is that yours?

>> No.55374799

>>55374784
ive seen it on massdrop before and it will cost you more then the keyboard

>> No.55374812

>>55374722
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hhkb-cnc-aluminum-case
wwew lad, first google link

>> No.55374835

>>55374812
yea I didn't bother looking... sorry :/

>> No.55374838

>>55374812
anime_puke.gif тbh famalam

>> No.55374875

>>55374799
Oh, thank you, found it. Royal Glam case with wrist rest.
How much did it go for last time?
Also, how are the ergonomics? The only reason I want something like this is pretty much keeping my hands/wirsts healthy, do I need that?

>> No.55374924

>>55374875
i dont remember exactly how much but it was but ~100-200 dollars
there are there are cheap separate wirst rest that you can buy for only like 20 dollars or so

>> No.55374928

>>55374530
There's a guy who has an interest check up for an aluminum case in a few different colors:
https://geekhack org/index.php?topic=80317

>> No.55374978

>>55374924
yeah I know, but those look kind of ugly. Still, thank you anon :3

Does anyone know, should I get a wristrest or is proper posture enough?

>> No.55375006

are the model M's made by lexmark worse then the other ones?
i remember hearing someone say this

>> No.55375076

>>55374875
Resting your wrists while your fingers move around the keyboard is actually BAD ergonomics. It's one big meme because it seems to make sense and wrist rests are easy to manufacture and sell.
You want to keep your wrists from bending as much as you can because it's a weak point. Instead you should rest on your forearms or elbows and adjust your arm position for the greatest access without angling your wrists too much.

>> No.55375108

>>55375006

pretty much nobody could tell apart a late ibm m and lexmark in double-blind tests. the earlier ibms had a bit thicker plate and case, but it's not a huge difference.

unicomp is a different story, though.

>> No.55375245

How fucking long does it take for Pexon to create a cable? I've been waiting for over 2 weeks now.

>> No.55375456

>>55375245
too fucking long considering the price of those things as well

>> No.55375587

>>55375456
I only chose Pexon because his heatshrinks looked better than Mimic and everyone else.

>> No.55375985

>>55375587
I agree, they do look better. which is why I ordered one yesterday, but I still feel like I overpayed by ~$20 for a fucking cable

but it's urgent, the cable which came with my atreus is way too short for me

>> No.55376158

>>55375985
Yeah enjoy waiting 2+ weeks for that cable. I don't know what Pexon is smoking or if his backlog is fuckhuge, but he needs to hurry up. It's a god damn USB cable. I'm sure I could sleeve my own in 2 hours although it would look like shit.


Also lol the reason I bought the cable is because I need something longer. The cable that came with my keyboard is like 1.5. Way too short.

>> No.55376364

Has anyone bought anything from keyclack.com ? They seem to have suspiciously cheap Gaterons, though I emailed the owner and he said it's all legit (surprising, I know)

>> No.55376936
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55376936

Is it difficult to install Hypersphere rings on a HHKB?

>> No.55376962

>>55371607
Because that's an older Das.

>> No.55376980

>>55373977
I leave my Compact SQ there. I bought it specifically as a work board.

>> No.55376990

>>55376936
Just googled "Hypersphere rings", found some disassembled keyboard, and realized that Topre is a membrane switch.
You faggots are disgusting.

>> No.55377016

>>55376990
:^)

>> No.55377020

>>55376990
(You)

>> No.55377033

>>55376936
I put ironed landing pads on my NT, and I would say it's time-consuming, but not difficult.

>> No.55377363

>>55377033
Does it feel any better/different? or is it just the sound that is improved?

>> No.55377411

>>55377363
It's mostly just the sound - the downstroke isn't affected beyond (for me) an imperceptible loss in initial travel distance, though if your fingers rest on the keys as the slider hits the housing on the return I guess you would feel something different.

I think it's important to note that sound plays into feel.

>> No.55377494

>>55377016
>>55377020
god dang it bobby
i need to get my shitposting game straight

>> No.55377580

>>55377411
Yeah. I'm not really bothered by the loud sound. In fact, I kind of like it.

>> No.55377600

Can anyone recommend a place to get good wooden wrist rests?

>> No.55377615

>>55377600
I heard they got some good ones in the forest.

>> No.55377646

>>55377600
I just use my flat little sister's breasts as a wristrest

>> No.55377648

blues or reds?

>> No.55377663

>>55377648
Reds, or greens. Blues suck.

>>55377600
Go check your local wood store. I hear that you can buy pieces of wood there.

>> No.55377747

>>55377600
wait for the next royal glam wrist rests drop

>> No.55378328

>>55376936
Rings are easy as fuck to install, probably 1-2 hours.
With pads you have to iron them first, then fix them so stems wont stuck, it takes a lot of time.
Also with rings you have a more consistent sound since they all have the same thickness.

>> No.55379013

I was looking in to building my own mechanical keyboard, but I don't know what to get. Would it be better if I was to buy a kit that includes everything I need, or just buy each part separately form different vendors.

>> No.55379099

>>55379013
There's kits on aliexpress that allow for a whole lot of different configurations. I'd recommend getting the case, plate and PCB from the same kit so you won't have to worry about compatibility, and then get whatever switches and keycaps you fancy.

>> No.55379172

>>55379099
Do you know of any good kits from aliexpress? I wouldn't know what to look for in the sellers to see if they are good or not.

>> No.55379186

new thread

>>55379176

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