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>Where to Buy:
>Buyers template for new blud:

Got some navy blues edition

>> No.53936976
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waiting for more keycaps

>> No.53936983
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you guys like my new picture frame?

>> No.53936996

whats the sticker above the arrow keys?
also, anyone know where i can get cool stickers in this format? i would like to cover the gaymen logo on my board in exactly this position

>> No.53937167
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they're some airshit stickers i bought to stick on my clone rifles for keks

you can search for weapon uid stickers on ebay

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I shudder at the thought of having to talk to DR8C0, but he knows of a place where you can get them custom made to say what you want and much higher quality than the chink shit you've got. I think his plan (which fell through) was to have the UID go to his Tumblr.

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hey fuck you, mine were made in korea
that rifle doesn't have a serial number anyway, so whats the point

they're also not fucking QR codes
UIDs don't work like that

>> No.53937369

Korea is basically the same place, you know that. I don't know what the point is, don't shoot the messenger.

Also I believe he had some plan of getting a QR rather than a UID and I just fucked up in my thinking. I do definitely remember he wanted something stupid like that though.

>> No.53937395

i bet he actually tried to scan the code on his meme pistol with his cell phone

>> No.53937423

If only scanning things with your phone could unmelted them ;^

>> No.53937441

where's the "code" key supposed to fit?

>> No.53937449
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give it to me straight guys.
Is it salvageable?

>> No.53937461

hard to tell from just photos, but why?

>> No.53937484

Alright, so the right shift of my Noppoo Choc isn't working. I already desoldered the switch and put a new one in, but no dice. The PCB isn't damaged around the switch and I don't know what else it could be at this point. Any advice or is it fucked?

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but the new GMK keys match the green perfect, so that's nice

>> No.53937536

why did you start with desoldering? did you check the tracks?

>> No.53937576

yeah, can't wait to see it when it's finished.

speaking of caps, I have a wasd v2 that needs some, anyone seen any new interesting sets?

>> No.53937650

The Round 6 purple/cream is still up for grabs. Gonna be part of phase 1 production, too.

>> No.53937694

lolwut? What keyboard is that? Why are the cherry blues that color?
Why are omrons and cherry switches on the same board? Why would they do that?

>> No.53937755

Might be gateron blues or sth else.

>> No.53937787

Looking through them right now. It's so tempting to get a cadet keyset even though I don't even write Lisp. I just really like it.

>> No.53937867

As I said. Navy blues.
genuine cherry

>> No.53937869

The first switch didn't work, which I tested extensively and opened. The second one doesn't register either, so I guess there's a defect on the PCB. What do you mean with tracks?

>> No.53937925

It sounds like you're approaching debugging all wrong. Do you have a multimeter? Check all the tracks on the PCB that connect the specific switch. If the issue is here then it's generally very easy to fix. If you somehow managed to short a track (how the fuck would you do this though?) then the pin on the chip is probably borked. If you find this to be the case then there are a few options but they're all a lot more work.

>> No.53937948

Just killed my cherry mx red keyboard with some coffee.
what should i do with it?

>> No.53937963

define "killed"

>> No.53938021

I see. I'm not the best electrical engineer out there - I had a switch not work before and just exchanged it so it worked again, that's why I tried it with this one as well. The PCB tracks look alright, how would I go about testing with a multimeter? I have one here.

>> No.53938029

I doubt more than two of the people getting space cadet caps use lisp.

>> No.53938067

What, are you saying there aren't a ton of people in the MK community who need to type Cyrillic or Hangul?

>> No.53938100

turn the meter to measure resistance, pretty much any range will do. place one pin on the pad where the switch should be and the other pin on the leg of the chip where that track should run to. if the resistance is zero then you're good to go (the track is okay), if the resistance shows 1 (or infinity, depends on your meter), then the track is broken. repeat on the other side. if you mess up what pad runs to what leg you will also see the meter show either infinity or a large value.
you can check your switch in the same manner, put the meter pins on the switch legs, measure resistance when the switch is not pressed and when it's pressed.

>> No.53938117

what does that have to do with using lisp? do you know what lisp is, anon?

>> No.53938191

Right on, going to try this tommorow. Appreciate your help.

>> No.53938201

spilled some coffee over it now it doesnt work anymor.

>> No.53938222

What keyboard would you recommend as someone's first mechanical?

I have to buy a keyboard and after some time seeing this threads and admiring how some of your mechanical keyboards look I'd like to get my first one.

As a programmer I think I'll enjoy the difference, but beyond being mechanical I don't need anything fancy. Just an intro keyboard.

What would you recommend for a starter?

Ideally 70€ max. If that's too tight please suggest what's the cheapest 'decent' (as in something that I won't immediately regret buying) keyboard that you can come up with.
>Location (continent at least)
Europe, Spain
>Preferred switch type
No idea.
>Form factor
60 - 80%, no numpad
Yes if possible.

>> No.53938238

probably shorted a lot of stuff. you can try fixing it but i doubt i would bother. salvage the switches, the caps and the case, if it's of interest, and move on.

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Is the hhkb meme still alive and well?

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>> No.53938266

i know what lisp is, i was making a joke about how tons of people buy sets with symbols that they don't use

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i need to get a white one since i have a black keycap set

i can checker board it like some massive fucking faggot

>> No.53938303


Oh you

>> No.53938314

What's the best way to remove keycaps?

>> No.53938359

It's okay anon, I understood the joke.

>> No.53938387

with a keycap puller. don't be an animal. use a puller, be civil.

>> No.53938454

Where can I find one of these?

>> No.53938614
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most mech sellers have them, ebay has them, chink sites have them, pick your poison. if you're crafty you can just make one yourself.

>> No.53938803

A good mechanical keyboard for less than 100 available in europe?

>> No.53938880

pick one.
did you try reading the faqs?

>> No.53938981

Doesnt matter.
>Preferred switch type
blues or browns
>Form factor
60% ideally but 80% would be ok too.
Is the Vortex Kbc poker 3 good?

>> No.53938982


>> No.53939010
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/g/ I accidentally the micro-usb port of my quickfire rapid-i. Pic related is the thing. Where can I find a replacement?

>> No.53939024

Are MX Browns really that bad? I was planning to get a keyboard with them for rts games/some fps and general use since they seem to be an "all around" switch.

>> No.53939042

"Stock prices start at around 70$ for cheaper boards (40$ if you want knockoff switches like Kailh) and can go over 250$. If you live in Europe add ~30$ to the price"

70$ + 30$ = 100$
100€ = 114$
100 < 114

Yes i did

>> No.53939109

All your keyboards are shit.
If it aint a model m, it's worthless.

>> No.53939117
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Though it's not exactly a replacement, http://pexonpcs.co.uk/products/filco-keyboard-mods?variant=839028751

That would give you a normal large USB-port at the end sticking out (they don't do micro/mini usbs anymore sadly)

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>> No.53939139

Wtf is with the one red key in the top left corner, take your shit out of the thread faggot.

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Where can you buy these keyboards in europe, these two look pretty neat?

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Finally shipping

>> No.53939176

You don't want them, they're clearly for autists.

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well i'm not sure about europe
but i got the HHKB JP off amazon
and i think you can get the Leopold fc600c on amazon too

>> No.53939226

browns feel fine, they're the most popular switch and work reasonably for any use.

>> No.53939249

if you read the faqs then you wouldn't need to ask the rec question to begin with, that's the point, tardio.

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I always think that, then I remember what it actually stands for.

I saw those at first and thought they looked cool but then I realized the tops are all fucked up and would probably be uncomfortable.

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Then which mechanical keyboard with a small formfactor should i get?
>inb4 im pretty autist myself

>> No.53939325

Hm.. Can you quote the part that i miss?

>> No.53939356

Model M SSK

>> No.53939428


>> No.53939503

>implying tkl isn't sff

>> No.53939569

sup /g/ what is the best 75% keyboard there is?

>> No.53939673

something custom

>> No.53939718
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actually now I got a great idea what to do with the lisp caps, i'm just going to map all the symbols to their corresponding C syntax.

>> No.53939741

Do you know how can I even refer to this specific kind of micro-usb cable with that connector with the wires on the opposite end? I was searching for them but all I'm finding are normal usb cables. Dunno what to type.

>> No.53939763

what? you're going to have to explain what you want. what do you want to connect to what?

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I'm asking if the cable I posted in >>53939010
has a specific name I can use to google around because typing in "micro-usb cable" will just show standard usb-usb cables.

Another pic.

>> No.53939838

It's called like JST 4 pin or something like that.
I have actually tried to find one with a Micro/mini USB but couldn't find one so I had to "settle" for the one I linked from pexon for one of my boards I wanted a detachable cable on

>> No.53939846

...how often do you find yourself taking subsets and defining equivalencies in C, anon?

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>> No.53939855

Oh I see, thanks.

>> No.53939870

yeah there's keys i won't use but at least I can put some of the keys to a semi-reasonable use.

>> No.53939887

you could always make one yourself, just break a usb cable up.

>> No.53940210


I suppose.

There are 5 wires on the cable I posted. If I cut the detachable usb cable that connected the keyboard to my pc, am I gonna find the same 5 wires inside it meaning I could just wrap them up together?

>> No.53940270

yes, but you need to check which pin is which, you can do this easily with a multimeter.

>> No.53940310

>with a multimeter

My dad has one. What would I be looking for in this case when using one? I mean, what tells me it's the right cable?

>> No.53940347

I actually just cut the wire up and it has 5 cables with the same colors as the ones in the cable I posted I think it's safe to assume the colors will match, right? lol

>> No.53940353

if your dad one he can probably teach you how.

anywho, break the cables apart and clean their ends so you can measure them nicely. switch to resistance and put on measure pin on a cable and then use the other measure pin on the usb pins to find which one is connected to it. if there's a connection, the resistance will be 0, otherwise infinite.

>> No.53940368

they might be random order, never trust chinks.

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The fuck qb. You are memeing too hard now.
Its a a bad MKG meme.

>> No.53941198

It fucking worked. Looks like a mess but my keyboard is saved. Thanks m8.

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>> No.53941245

cool, good job.

>> No.53941344

went from autism to neck beard with guns.

>> No.53941471

My MK just arrived today, and man, am I glad I listened to you guys. This feels fucking amazing.

>> No.53941516

Now tell us what you bought so we can make fun of it.

>> No.53941551

CM Quickfire with Cherry Blue. It was one of the few that actually shipped where I live, and didn't cost a kidney after import fees.

>> No.53941570

Good stuff. Gonna get some caps for it?

>> No.53941592

Perhaps. If something like >>53939718 existed it would be godly, since I'm studying physics and require typing a lot of math symbols (besides it looks nice). But I'm good for now.

>> No.53941603

It doesn't not exist.

>> No.53941613

Is this Ozone brand any good?

I'm in search for reds and literally the only ones I've found with a decent price where I live is this Ozone Strike Battle Red. It has this ugly red backplate but it actually fits inside the standard casing of other keyboards and I have one to spare from a coolermaster POS I have.

And fuck this bump gimmick, most useless and annoying shit ever, I want muh linear switches back.

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ooh, which one is worse

>> No.53941631

>it actually fits inside the standard casing of other keyboards
Without modification?

>> No.53941646

The review I was watching said so. And it certainly looks like it because the keyboard is in its "barebones" state if you look at it.

>> No.53941654

im used to typing on the razer black window switches unfortunately. got a cherry mx key cap sample and am in between greens, browns or clears rn. what feels like a better razer switch?

>> No.53941656

don't expect him to understand what you just said though

>> No.53941658
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Best shit keyboard

>> No.53941693

I just took a peek at the board and it really doesn't look like it would be a drop-in replacement for a CM TKL mounting plate at all.

>> No.53941695

Complete shit*

>> No.53941735

Honestly it scares me that a mental idiot could get a gun. Also do you have a real mechanical board? I forget if you only had HHKB's.

>> No.53941743
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This is my quickfire rapid-i without the case for reference. The problem would be those recessions the ozone doesn't have I think.

>> No.53941761

That's the first thing. The second is if there are any mounting holes in the middle of the board (which are obscured by the keycaps) and if they line up.

>> No.53941770

Also, what's wrong with your rapid-i?

>> No.53941774
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2 of them for now

>> No.53941806
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>> No.53941811
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>> No.53941829

Neat man. Like the mouse pad too. My terminus mini will be coming soon for more space.

>> No.53941830


Keys randomly fail when I'm typing or stop registering after some time if I keep holding them. Some LEDs on it died out even though I don't even use them. I heard that was a massive problem with the first version of it and that they did a revision.

I really don't like coolermaster as a brand at all because this keyboard was actually what I got after I RMAed a CM storm stealth that presented every defect you could possibly imagine. It was actually discontinued because the whole thing was a POS.

>> No.53941850

Did you try to, like, diagnose the switch failures?

>> No.53941852

>It was actually discontinued because the whole thing was a POS.

Which is why they offered me the quickfire rapid-i in its place. Forgot to add this bit.

>> No.53941856
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and there's the other one i've been working on

>> No.53941881


Nah. I don't even know how that would be done desu so I just live with it. It's a seldom occurrence, most noticeable when I'm holding a key down for some time, but it's there.

>> No.53941894
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I like that one throw the rest away.

>> No.53941896

Is it localised to any key, or has literally every key experienced this problem?

>> No.53941956

It's impossible to stop him, I've tried.

>> No.53941979
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you've only escalated it

>> No.53942080


It's random, not specific to only one key. All of them can do it, but like I said, it's a seldom occurrence. Like, one key every 50 keystrokes or so I think.

>> No.53942117

Maybe a USB failure. You could check the soldering on the port.

>> No.53942172

Yeah in reality I haven't tried at all.

>> No.53942193
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we're blaming you for everything

>> No.53942642
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I got a bunch of new switches.

What pcd should I buy?

Has to be something interesting. If I can buy a preassembled version of it, I am not interested (probably because I already own it).

>> No.53943007

Bug 7bit to get a Hyper7.

>> No.53943332

Fica de olho nesse seu cu.

>> No.53943449
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>memechanical keyboards

you are all such faggots to keep posting a thread about these fucking meme machines

>> No.53943463

which board is that? I've been looking for a nice TKL board and that one looks good, the granite caps I have would look nice with it.

>> No.53943502

Literally every TKL looks the same

Just get a QFR if you want to save money, or get get some other meme TKL if you want to waste money.

>> No.53943565


Sure, get a memefire and suffer from the same shit as >>53941830. Single sided pcb keyboards suck.

>> No.53943703

The QFR and Rapid-i are not made by the same manufacturer.

>> No.53943723

but they have the same flaws

>> No.53943746

Regular QFR and QFR Stealth are though. Both of them made by costar, and both suck exactly because they have single sided PCBs.

>> No.53943749

I know, right? The QFR is so bad 100% of the switch LEDs are dead on arrival!

>> No.53943769


My QFR has been good for years. I didn't even clean it for like 2 years then did two switch swaps on it later and here we are. Still great. It's still my #1 choice for a new cheap keyboard. If you're lucky you can get 'em for like $65. Cheap keycaps and rubber coating are the only downsides IMO.

>> No.53943849

>both suck exactly because they have single sided PCBs.
Yeah bro, you've convinced me.

>> No.53944270



But space limited, and would need more switches.

>> No.53944302

What about a Dactyl?

>> No.53944329


I avtually heavily looked into it.

Couldn't find somewhere to get the case printed for a decent price. Was like $200+ from shapeways.

>> No.53944505


>implying que eu não sou chegado numa rola

>> No.53945000
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How much have you niggers spent on keyboards so far? I'm sitting on $200 but will spend more when I find a nice keycap set.

>> No.53945415
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>I posted it again xD

>> No.53946448

$10 for used Apple Extended Keyboard II
$20 for Teensy for converter
I just cleaned out all the switches because they were really sticky and this keyboard feels great. I'm so happy with it. Cream ALPS are really nice.
Are 3D printed keycap pullers with paperclips meme tier? I have one but idk if it's worth the upgrade. Today the paper clips fell out so i'm going to epoxy them back in.

>> No.53947003

230 euros and some trades so not that much

>> No.53947019

so, are you black, or 12?
or both?

>> No.53947115

Are those reds?

>> No.53947285
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Has anyone ever used a straight layout? The concept seems interesting to me. I'm not really sure if there are any benefits to an offset layout or any reason to use one other than convention.

>> No.53947314

Numpads use this
Try with a numpad

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way, way more than I want to admit.

>> No.53947447

At least you have an actual hobby, some people actually think that video games are a hobby.

>> No.53947512
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I've learned a lot about engineering and mechanics from these, so it hasn't all been a drain.

>> No.53947709
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finally my rshift isn't a damn nigger.

>> No.53947806


I'm from Spain too and I bought my first mechanical keyboard a couple weeks ago. I bought the magicforce from AliExpress with reds. I'm still waiting to receive it, but I'm sure it will be a good first one. It costs about 70 € in aliexpress and it's available with different switches. Only thing to keep in mind is that it has the American layout, and that you'll have to get used to it. Shipping is free.

>> No.53947854
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I finally started cleaning and testing my Ortek keyboard from 1990. Im loving white clone alps

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this was my filco back in 2012...

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this is it today. didn't bother resizing for maximum enjoyment

>> No.53947984

What keyboard?

>> No.53948154

Why buy buggy software when you can make it :^}

>> No.53948171

Fuckinghell man
What kb is that btw

>> No.53948254
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filco majestouch (uk layout)

>> No.53948281
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I bought a MagicForce. This board usually comes with OUTEMU mechanical switches for $40. But when I found a version of this keyboard with Cherry MX Greens for only $89, buying it was an easy decision.

I wanted a 60% keyboard. I was considering the Pok3r with Cherry MX Blue switches for $129, but I eventually decided that I couldn't do without dedicated arrow keys. For the price, I was expecting the MagicForce to be lower quality than what I've received and I'm pleasantly surprised by this keyboard. I think that it's a hidden gem. Will definitely have to replace the keycaps, but I was likely going to do that regardless of what board I purchased.

>> No.53948290

Not as fan of the font and the windows keys are fucking disgusting.
I've heard great things about the keyboards though

>> No.53948300

Cherry MX Board 3.0 with wrist rest - 80 bucks
Ducky Shine 4 + Aftermarket caps (and shipping and customs) - 300 bucks
HHKB - 220 bucks
AEK II build project - 30 bucks
Magicforce - 50 bucks
240 Gaterons - 66 bucks or so
Teensy + other stuff for handwiring magicforce - 30 bucks

So about 770 bucks.

>> No.53948312

o hai edgy neets

>> No.53948384

That font is hideous, but I can see the potential of this board.

>> No.53948414

is this shit legit?

>> No.53948442

do you recommend it anon?

>> No.53948483

most likely, and even if it's not amazon will refund

>> No.53948500


Yep, and it's not like the caps are some weird nonstandard layout or shape. Very easy to replace, same with the Zhuque TKL. These boards are gonna take over the entry-level market.

>> No.53948508

click on each of the reviewers. notice anything?
might be legit but the reviews are fake as fuck

>> No.53948650 [DELETED] 
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I can verify that the Qisan MagicForce keyboard has Cherry MX versions. When I purchased mine, the options were Greens, Browns and Whites. I bought mine on Amazon for $89.

>> No.53948678
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I can verify that the Qisan MagicForce keyboard has Cherry MX versions. When I purchased mine, the options were Greens, Browns and Whites. I bought mine on Amazon for $89.

>> No.53948848

I do. It's a sturdy keyboard. Very little flex when I twist it. Everything works.

The only thing I don't like about it is the light blue backlighting, but I turned that off by holding down the fn key and clicking the down arrow several times.

All in all, I would buy it again. No regrets. It's a great price for what you get.

>> No.53948872
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Nah, they're blues.

>> No.53949101
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>tfw my zealios shipped

>> No.53949143
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These look pretty nice. Double-shot PBT backlit keycaps without the terrible edgy font.

>> No.53949169

that windows key tho

>> No.53949408

I just want a keychain with one. Fucking. Key. How hard is that to ask???

>> No.53949425

there's ton of these, seems like you're just shitty at searching. making one yourself also couldn't be easier.

>> No.53949456

I have been. All I found was a razer giveaway from pax a few years back. And some old reddit threads about some defunct websites

>> No.53949709


>> No.53949877

$400-500 probably.

>> No.53949982

riddle me this /mkg/
I have a model M that's working just fine, in fact I'm using it to type this
every time I turn on my PC for the first time every day the keyboard never works, it only starts registering after a reboot
from a cold boot it only has the numlock on which I can disable but not enable again
I restart the PC and it works perfectly.
the connector is PS2
what is this sorcery?

>> No.53950024

buy a better keyboard

>> No.53950028


Is it an AT connector version? Most PS2 ports don't put out enough power for those, you need something like http://www.amazon.com/SANOXY-PS2-Keyboard-USB-Adapter/dp/B000BSJFJS to supply more.

>> No.53950062
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Is MK MK84 (picrelated) a good first mechanical keyboard?
I want something cheap and compact, and I only wound this and a superior Keycool 84 (which is out of stock everywhere)

>> No.53950065


yeah, like a rainbow vomit capped rubber dome with guns around it

>> No.53950092

yeah that would be it, it has detachable cable (part number 1391403)
how does it work after the reebot though

>> No.53950113

That font's totally like not cool man

>> No.53950126

I know, It's horrendous. But I don't really care.

>> No.53950130

Exactly. Only the cool kids have pastels on they're keyboards

>> No.53950137


There might be just barely enough at first. If it shares a bus with other ports, anything could cause it to drop, but you're most likely undervolting it either way.

PS2 isn't plug and play, so it takes a restart to see it again. That adapter will definitely solve your issue.

>> No.53950176

Which is why you get custom keycaps after the fact. However, that's gonna be a bit of a pickle since the right side of the bottom row, as well as the shift are non-standard sizes. Not impossible to find sets that would fit, but it's not as easy as regular layouts. Going with blank keycaps obviously makes it easier.

>> No.53950280

I'd get blanks in a heartbeat, but the weird layout made me just accept that I'll be stuck with the same shitty edgy keycaps forever.

The perfect solution would be to get a blank 88-key WASD keyboard, but even the MK84 is pretty expensive for a keyboard for me.

>> No.53950379

>you will never get your third mechanical keyboard cause it has to be the last one you get and you might aswell get a k type

>> No.53950391

If you go for blanks you have loads of options. Just go for a set with full 104 keys, then you'll have plenty of spare keycaps from the keypad, arrow keys, and such. Then literally the only keycap you need to worry about is the off-size right Shift, but many blank keysets come with extra keys that could fit that. Just search for something that has blank keys and a 1.5u shift

>> No.53950415

Scrap that, it looks like it's a 1.75u keycap, not 1.5, so search for that instead

>> No.53950459

And after a bit of searching, this set has a 1.75u shift that will fit your board, if you don't mind the colors.

>> No.53950495

And at this point I realize that I just don't care enough about this sort of stuff. Not the first time.

Thanks for all the advice, I'll just stick to my trusty old Logitech G103 and save a hundred dollars.

>> No.53950618

>Which is why you get custom keycaps

please point me to where they are currently selling translucent keycaps for backlit keyboards.

>> No.53951271

Why would you want that though. The backlighting is still visible as a glow underneath the keycaps, which honestly looks cooler.
There do exist some keycap sets on massdrop and elsewhere with high quality plastic and transparent legends though.

>> No.53951276
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Most people don't realize that mechanical keyboards is a very niche business once you venture from the gamer market. If you ask for something it's sometimes not available right now.
Products appear and disappear in the blink of an eye. Good stuff becomes sold out, shops close and group buys end.
Thankfully the cycle will start over with a product similar to whatever was missed popping up within 2-3 months. All you have to do is discover good sources for news and products and monitor them.


>> No.53951310

I want it for personal preference reasons. Please point me to where they are currently selling translucent keycaps for backlit keyboards.

>> No.53951318


>> No.53951337
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>model m better than ssk

get fucking good, pleb.

>> No.53951339

thank you

>> No.53952069

Should not cost more than ~200€
>Location (continent at least)
>Preferred switch type
I don't really know so probably something like cherry mx brown i guess
That ISO Return key would be great, I don't care about anything else. Doesn't have to be german.
>Form factor
60% with arrow keys (65% I guess)
Not needed

>> No.53952189

try to find this one near your
they also come in topre or other MX switches

>> No.53952267


What about this?

>> No.53952347

This one is great but it misses the "german" looking Returnkey
This one is my favorite at the moment, but I was hoping that there is a more "simplistic" keyboard.

>> No.53952388

By simplistic I mean some thing that doesn't have that kind of bar at the top, I hope you know what I mean.

>> No.53952537

Bezel :p
I am the same guy twice btw just so you know.
I dont know the things you want combined are kinda hard to impossible to find. making it yourself would always be a (pretty hard to do) option

>> No.53952688

Btw question why ISO? never understood what people like about it

>> No.53952691

Is it easy to get used to having no arrow keys? Or should I rather get used to having those other return keys?

>> No.53952705

Lol tripfags arguing

>> No.53952747

forgot to refesh, I've honestly never tried to use those other return keys and I don't get why there is this this 1.5 key wide backslash button on american keyboards.

>> No.53952792
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I dont know I am a TKL guy. and I have ansi anyway. I love my arrowskeys. oh and remember that most 60% got arrowkeys under a FN, a thing to get used to I guess.

about pic its not what every 60% uses thats why they differ so much at times and some are even programmable like poker III

>> No.53952876
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This would be layoutwise be the best thing I guess but this board is rather hard to get in germany. and topre and expensive also.

>> No.53952900
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Is the guy with his custom 60% AEKII around? I'd need some advice on the plate please. I'm a bit confused, when using the CAD generator all I get are those long, platemount stabi-cutouts for the spacebar. But I'd need them to be smaller like the ones of the AEK, or is there a place where I can buy those seperately (with ok shipping to EU)?

>> No.53952937

Are there any TKL Keyboards that you could recommend to me? Preferably without all the F keys.
Otherwise I'll probably get the Minila that you recommended.

Yeah I'd love to get the HHKB jp, but its too expensive to ship to germany and I don't know anything about topre switches.

>> No.53952951

>Are there any TKL Keyboards that you could recommend to me? Preferably without all the F keys.
That wouldn't be a TKL, then.

>> No.53953053

a tkl without the fkeys is a leopold fc660 wich is just a 60% extended to like a 66%. are ansi layouts rare over there just to try them out soo if you like them

>> No.53953145

Ok then i'll just get one of the fc660's. Do you have experience with topre switches? Otherwise ill just get them with cherry mx brown switches.

>> No.53953165

What keyboard is this? The trackpoint looks really handy

>> No.53953194

bought a g701+ for 60 bucks

would buy again for 60 bucks

>> No.53953209

I mean try a reg cheap ass keyboard with ansi in germany before switching. I know a few ISO people and they dont like the switch personally.

I have both MX browns and Topre. I'd prefer topre but its all a matter of prefference as anything in life. A HHKB dude named qb in /mkg/ and his fav switch is browns atm.

its a rare model M its expensive af.

>> No.53953249
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hey that's me
i only like topre for gaming, not really for typing

>> No.53953299

Not that guy, but having used cheap rubberdomes, MX Brown, MX Blue, and MX Red, Topre are my favorite.

Topre feels kind of like a hybrid between MX switches and Rubberdomes. Their design is nice because it will never develop key chatter, which can be a problem with MX switches.

>> No.53953335

Then I'll get the leopold fc660 with browns, since I'm going to use it mostly for normal typing and key chatter isn't a problem for me.

Thanks for all the recommendations!

>> No.53953354

I do hope you like it. its a really nice board.

>> No.53953441

Not too bad

>> No.53953529
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What do you guys think of the Vortex KBC Poker 3?
Rocking this baby atm

>> No.53953610

Up to like $200 CAD
Canada obviously
>Preferred switch type
Brown probably, though Clear looks good too
Not stupid? I like having hella media buttons is really the only thing
>Form factor
Sort of want. I'd like to pull off orange but my own searching leads me to believe it can be stupid to get
let's just not worry about that okay

>> No.53953765
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Has anyone tried this keyboard? It looks really nice.

>> No.53953825

aside of the trackball module I like the idea

>> No.53953844

I want to finally learn touchtyping, I can type blindly, but I only use 3-4 fingers, which is kind of inefficient.
Is there some way to learn proper touchtyping you guys would recommend?

>> No.53953920

you can replace the trackball with a track point or touchpad

>> No.53953940

thats way better I forgot all the modules been a while since I saw this one comming by

>> No.53954020
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House brand one from a Swedish retailer.

>> No.53954056
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The packaging.

>> No.53954466

Who have Exibel? Is it Clabbe Olsson?

>> No.53954504



>> No.53954774

Nope, but I'll probably get one sometime after it's out. Looks really fucking nice.

>> No.53955547
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$400 about.

Kawaii as fuck finally.

Jesus fuck man I didn't clean my Filco for like a year and it wasn't even half as bad as that.

>> No.53955757
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I wish the Miami set was in US International

>> No.53955758

nick you dont have keyboards dont pretend

>> No.53955773
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And my other board

>> No.53955821

I should set a 4chan name sometime I accidently got this because off posting the pastebins when OP didnt :(

>> No.53955870
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Hey. Is this a general bad moment to buy a mechanical keyboard? Shortages made the prices rise or whatever?

I have been on the fence for a while and I'm now ready to buy a mechanical keyboard, but when I look around on amazon people says that they bought one or two years ago the very same keyboard with 70€, and now it's up to 110. should I just wait a little more?

>> No.53955876


>> No.53955890

Prices aren't going to fall anytime soon.

>> No.53955938

seems I just have to ditch amazon then. Found a Cherry MX Blue for 90€

>> No.53955970

Logitech G110?

>> No.53956027

don't you mean >>>/trash/?

>> No.53956030
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LRGBT reporting in.

>buying expensive keycaps to customise keyboard
>can't switch between different colours when you want at any time
>no backlight to see certain keys when using keyboard in low light conditions

like really tho

>> No.53956039


>gaymer backlighting


>> No.53956050

backlighting generally always looks like complete shit

>> No.53956066

>backlighting looks the same as custom keycaps
come again

>> No.53956127
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Shortages are just kind of s common thing for mechanical keyboards. It's not a major market and shit comes and goes. I waited about a year to get a while Filco with MX Blues switches and had to settle for a top print because the side prints sold out instantly, and that was over three years ago.

There are certain situations where backlighting can look alright, but for the most part it really is just trash. I also think it's hilarious that people act like they need lights to see their keys. If you've got a monitor, chances are you can see your keys.

>> No.53956132
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I like this meme I started.

>> No.53956148


I like back lighting to see things near my keyboard.

>> No.53956156

Get those ugly wasd keys out of here

>> No.53956219
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New keycap :3

>> No.53956241
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sometimes yes
transparent caps will always suck though

>> No.53956247
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>> No.53956254
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Filco's WASDs are beautiful, screw you.

>Advertising that you're from California

>> No.53956275

>implying I'm from California

>> No.53956286

that's even worse

>> No.53956292

And please please clean that return key

>> No.53956293

>tfw no mechanical keyboard meetups in my country

>> No.53956307

CM Storm quickfire XT

>> No.53956328
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I need a neko keycap

For a friend

Best way to get one?

>> No.53956361
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oh there is something on his return key
i thought that was just some dirt on my monitor

>> No.53956373
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Forgot pic

>> No.53956382

I've spent $40 in total for two boards.

I have a QFR with MX browns
And an Ajazz ak33 with zorro blues.

>> No.53956411

No yeah transparent caps are horrible all the time.

That's even worse, as QB said.

Yeah it had a small piece of dead grass that I didn't see until afterward.

>> No.53956427

but howd you get dead grass on your keyboard

>> No.53956456

so close yet so far

>> No.53956475

It was windy and right next to my lawn mower. I would show the pics on the lawn mower but they're not on my phone, just my PC.

>> No.53956509

You are one weird guy, nick. Don't get me wrong, I like to mess with you. but I find it funny that you have pictures of everything, even the lawnmower.

>> No.53956511
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I'd rather build an Ergodox.

>> No.53956527

Do you live in a barn?

>> No.53956541
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Oh no I've just got pictures of my keyboard on the lawnmower's footplate because I thought it was a lovely shade of orange. Don't get me wrong, I'm not that autistic.

>> No.53956563

Nah, I dont believe you. Nick the lawnmower guy :^}

>> No.53956615
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no, but im at work

>> No.53956653
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got a kb with mx whites a few days ago, heavily worn in keys + keycaps, but I was rly surprised with how dank they are to type on honestly. My experiences with clicky MX tech keys in the past was limited at oetemu blues (I have a model F and a model meme tho), and I was pretty surprised by these, pretty satisfying to type on because they're not retard-loud but still feel 'full' when typing on them

>> No.53956683

Are you sure that those are whites? Looks more like clears to me, though that may just be the picture.

>> No.53956685
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where can I find a good board with some fucking mx greens? I don't wanna fuck with LEDs, and I want a keypad.

>> No.53956699

Cooler master xt comes with greens iirc.

Or just get a wasd barebones and some nice keycaps.

>> No.53956702

what ak?

>> No.53956715
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Gonna sell this Poker II soon for a GH60 with aluminum casing/plating and Razer Green Switches :3

>> No.53956756
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Who the fuck knows?

>> No.53956799

those wasd keys are truly disgusting dude they look more gaymer then anything

>> No.53956821

Anywhere where I can get a poker 2 for a reasonable price in Europe? Getting pretty tired of MX reds and would like to try something with tactile feedback.

>> No.53956845
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definitely mx white. zeal 78g coming soon tho, so I'll get my tactile fix there :v)

>> No.53956857

sup /g/, ive never done soldering before how hard is it to replace switches on a keyboard?

>> No.53956876

47 probably.

Don't post off topic, get to /k/ if you want guns.

>> No.53956883

I think those are some ancient MX whites. Their stem used to be translucient for some time, found some in old typewriters as well. They should be weighted like modern MX Blues though. Very nice find.

>> No.53956884

I never did it from a pcb but I dont believe its too hard if you dont force it and put it too hot
just take your time

>> No.53956899

I post off topic a lot. people are way too commited here. I lurk here a lot so I am having fun while I am at it.

>> No.53956907

why so serious mate

>> No.53957017
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PM md. 63 built by Two Rivers Arms from a Yugoslav Wars parts kit.

I really like them, but oh well.

No, not even close to an AK-47. Completely different model from a completely different series with completely different manufacturing processes.

>> No.53957033

Vintage Type A: 80 cN, translucent white stem, black click-slider — 1987–?
Vintage Type B: 50 cN, translucent white stem, translucent white click-slider — 1989–?

board is a chicony 5160AT. There's no mention of MX white as a possibility for this board though, and I'm too retarded to understand what a 'click slider' is in this context so I can't give an answer to which it is for sure.

>> No.53957062

>I'm too retarded to understand what a 'click slider' is in this context
A slider that produces a clicky noise, i.e. a clicky switch.

>> No.53957120

>PM md. 63 built by Two Rivers Arms
Fucking nice, it's a beautiful rifle.
Nice memekeyboard aswell mate

>> No.53957128

The stem of clicky switches is kind of divided in two.
Well the deskthority wiki isn't perfect either. You could present your find in the forum and add it to the wiki later.

>> No.53957266

ah, sure


I bought this keyboard from a user on DT :d. I'd do that if I had a camera that wasn't cancer-tier though


>> No.53957294

Thank you, thank you. It really is an awesome rifle and deserves an awesome keyboard.

>> No.53957316
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Just bought my third model M on ebay for 170$ I am pretty happy right now because its a ssk and seems like its in good condition. Pic somewhat related its my second model m i bought

>> No.53957371


>> No.53957397

Hm, I'm not too sure whether those are actually MX-Whites. Can you make a vocaroo of you pressing the keys softer, maybe without bottoming out?

This is what modern Whites sound like (there are some hardclicking switches in there... I'll desolder them soon and replace them)

>> No.53957725
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Gonna bolt mod this next week, any tips?

>> No.53958103
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Yes. Give it to me instead

>> No.53958253

Shine 5 or Corsair K70

>> No.53958306

on boards like this you should look at keycaps, case, functuality. what do you want from a keyboard and how do you want that. I'd say go for ducky because I like that brand better, but no experience with both brands.

>> No.53958340

new here, which is the poorfag's mech keyboard? tenkeyless ofc for lowest price possible

>> No.53958351

Quickfire rapid.

>> No.53958432

I have both. I prefer my Shine, to be honest. Though, I do use MX Blacks on the Shine as opposed to MX Reds on my K70.

Both are brilliant keyboards, but the Shine excels at keycaps and the fact that is has a removable cable. The K70 has just the bare aluminium plate, as the Shine has a plastic frame on top. I'm torn between what makes the lighting look better, but I'm leaning towards the Ducky's.

The one area where the K70 (RGB version) wins over the Shine is full customisability of the backlight. The Shine only has a limited amount of presets, and these are changed using the FN + F5-F12 keys. K70 has Corsair's software and gives you endless amounts of colour customisation.

>> No.53958509

where does one acquire these

>> No.53958534

Are you allowed to save individual keys as a color on the ducky? I have been searching for the answer but haven't found anything.

For example, if I want the numbers red, and have WASD as white and then rest blue.

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those are some retardedly thin caps

>> No.53958593

You can on the Shine 4 with red/blue/anything shade of purple but I don't know about the shine 5

>> No.53958594

Backlighting can show through even thick caps. It depends on more than just thickness: things like colour, plastic formulation, etc. I remember a lot of whining about how there was light bleed through the GMK Triumph Adler.

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Sort of. You can change the colour of WASD and the arrow keys, but you don't have much control over them. They can either be red, green, white and blue (for each key, preset) or they can do a colour change animation. That's it, though.

Pic related. WASD is constantly changing colours and the arrowkeys are solid.

>> No.53958668

You can't set a color within the RGB range ? This makes me sad :(

>> No.53958743

Not for WASD and the arrow keys as a separate zone for themselves, no.

You can change the colour of the entire keyboard with the RGB range, though.

>> No.53958761

I suppose I could set every key besides WASD as a solid color, and then use the RGB range mode for just the four ?

This makes me reconsider the ducky, I have to thin kabout how much this matters to me

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>> No.53959245


Zhuque or GANSS 87

>> No.53959317

Just make one

>> No.53959328

>no backlight to see certain keys when using keyboard in low light conditions

>he needs backlighting to be able to press his keys

>> No.53959364

>also does not know about lamps

>> No.53959440

WASD/arrow keys only have two modes: colour changing or solid red, green white and blue. You can't choose a single solid colour. It sucks, I know.

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