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Fake feeling of oneness with cup rubber edition

Topre sound comparison
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbYDZWlCBSc

>>Buyer's Guide:
>>http://pastebin.com/QJD7fSGU
>>Where to Buy:
>>http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL
>>FAQs:
>>http://pastebin.com/M5w7QtKp
>Old Thread: >>52315193

>> No.52331484
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This is for that one faggot who will get pissed off upon seeing this picture.

>> No.52331501

Got the right board, good job

>> No.52331515
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Rate my new mech, /g/.

>> No.52331524

>>52331515
I'm honestly more curious about that knife of yours.

>> No.52331532

>>52331438
hey the right board! good job op!

>> No.52331540

>>52331515
nice meme, but fake. This has been in plenty threads already

>> No.52331545

>>52331515
I never noticed the reflection in this pic

>> No.52331552
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52331552

Topre > clears = greens > blues > buckling springs > all

And I think the majority of /g/ agrees.

>> No.52331566

>>52331552
>majority of /g/ agreeing about anything

Nah, you're just a faggot.

>> No.52331567

>>52331552
I don't know about buckling springs, but I'd agree on the rest.

>> No.52331586

>>52331552
>That dial
>that layout
>That NO key
I want one.

>> No.52331587
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52331587

>>52331552
>Topre

>> No.52331604

>>52331552
Topre 55g or zealio 67g > clears = greens = gateron yellow > other gateron> mxshit

>> No.52331622

>>52331586
There's also a DISS key

>> No.52331645
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>>52331438
Fucking weeb.
Get your boards right

>> No.52331653

>>52331552
FTFY
SKCM Blue alps > SKCM White alps > buckling springs > Clears > everything else

>> No.52331675
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>>52331645
It's clover fault, I swear!

>> No.52331676

>>52331653
>He's a fag

>> No.52331682

>>52331622
Oh my god
I NEED one

>> No.52331711

Got my Compact SQ today, with a black acrylic top and bottom. Gonna be fun putting this bad boy together.

>> No.52331733
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>faggots paying 100 bucks for ABS sets
>muh GMK meme

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>> No.52331767

>>52331733
I have spent so much money on Round 5a. Send help.

>> No.52331773
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>> No.52331787
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52331787

Who owns one of these bad boys?

>60 dollarydoos
>sturdy as fuck
>satisfying ping as you type

>> No.52331790
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>>52331733
>Using ABS at all

>> No.52331804

>>52331790
haha ABSolutely disgusting

>> No.52331819

>>52331804
I feel like I have no worth as a person for having laughed at this.

>> No.52331825

I have to make a short(10-12 slides) powerpoint presentation on whatever subject I want. Im bad at talking in front of an audience so I better choose something of my interests. Anime and gaming would make me look like too much of a beta faggot. Most tech subjects wont be understood by the normie audience. Can I make one about mechanical keyboards?
Ill explain why they are better and show the different switch types or something with sound too.
Would the normies get it? Would it make me look like a beta faggot?

>> No.52331835

>>52331787
Looks good man. Does it come in greens? I don't have a green board yet and want to try them.

>> No.52331840

>>52331767
>DSA!
>hurr DSA durr DSA
>DSA is meme!
>hurr meme durr meme
>SA!
>hurr SA durr SA

Literally the same shit but taller

>> No.52331861

>>52331790
Fuck you I swear I didn't do it on purpose. Now I feel ashamed for laughing

>> No.52331862

>>52331840
NO

one is rowless meaning you can swap keys
The other has fixed rows

>> No.52331868

>>52331825
You're a tremendous faggot so I'll keep it short, but normals will appreciate keyboard tech far more than annie mae or vidya.

>>52331840
Nuh uh! It's sculpted! And thicker!

>> No.52331871

>tfw yuropoor so Greens and Clears are really hard to come by

>> No.52331909

As a gaymur, Mx Red > Mx Clear > Mx Brown > MX Black, rest is either too loud (Blue, Green, Buckling) or just straight shit (Topre), haven't got the chance to try out other switches (Alps, Matias, Kbt, Gateron, Kailh and maybe others that I don't even know the names off).

>> No.52331916

>>52331790
It's funny because there are people who really believe that. Mostly people who are new to mechanical keyboards.

>> No.52331931

>>52331835
Has its own yellow switches. Probably why it was so cheap to manufacture. I just swapped them out for blues.

>> No.52331970

>>52331909
I've been using blues for gaming so long and I'll likely do good with my topre too when I get it.

Being marketed reds is just being a dumbass, not being a gamer.

>> No.52331972

>>52331835
ranpoo v500 by the way.

>> No.52332014

>>52331970
You might be playing rts.sidescroller,indie.But anything face paced and action oriented,you sure the hell arent on blues.

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>> No.52332071

>>52332014
I'm a pretty big into vidya actually, I have no idea who told you that blues aren't good for gaming but that's a straight up lie. I hit 5k in DotA almost 2 years ago (haven't played ranked for a long time), was SMFC in CSGO, and play all sorts of games.

What games would you say are hard to play on a blue keyboard? I've recently been enjoying Nuclear throne just fine, and have never in my 4~ years of owning had an issue with the switch.

>> No.52332072

When should granite be up for sale? And it should be on massdrop, right?

>> No.52332099

>>52332072
>paying that much for ABS

>> No.52332117

>>52332072
Last week of Jan iirc

>> No.52332157

>>52332071
>>52331970
I play csgo too, the issue I have with clicky switches is that the sound distracts me while playing
>inb4 autist
topre feels mushy imo. Reds are also very light, which I find very nice.

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>>52332062
>mixing ABS with PBT

No, you cant do that.

>> No.52332168

>>52332072
You can buy Olivette set here. It's granite but the text is blue http://www.mechsupply.co.uk/product/tai-hao-abs-keycaps

>> No.52332192
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>>52332099
Granite is dyesubed PBT, baka.

>> No.52332197

>>52332062
what keyboard is taht? sorry if this is obvious, I am new here.

looks like a novatouch or cm rapid but I am probably totally wrong.

>> No.52332229

>>52332197
Custom korean

400$ starting

>> No.52332233

>>52332192
Oh, damn... Now I kind of want to get a set

>> No.52332265

>>52332168
That looks nothing like granite. Wrong profile.

>> No.52332285

How do I get my hands on any 60% clears or blacks board without spending ludicrous sums of money in eastern Europe?

>> No.52332307

>>52332285
You don't

>> No.52332336

>>52332168
MOQ:100
25 ordered

how often do people order there ?

>> No.52332377

>>52332285
Poker 3. Just bought one today with clears for £117 but I had to pay £27 in shipping because I live in Norway. So if you live in a country that's a part of EU I think the shipping is free https://corus-kb.com/en/search?controller=search&orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=poker+3&submit_search=

>> No.52332441

>>52332377
Decent site, thanks for that, will keep it around.

>> No.52332678

>>52332167
Whats the problem, its not like mixing profiles.

>> No.52332698

Why does the HHKB come with an ABS spacebar? What could've prompted this design choice?

>> No.52332725

>>52332698
aesthetic.
You wouldn't understand

>> No.52332729

>>52332698
To match its shitty ABS "plate".

>> No.52332743

>>52332698
Because when it was designed making PBT space bars was a huge pain in the ass. It still is, but they've gotten better at it.

PBT is made using higher temperatures leading to warping, the larger the key, the more prone to warping it is.

>> No.52332746

>>52332698
Wait... it does? What the fuck? That dropped my chance of getting one from 1% to 0%

>> No.52332751
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>>52332698
>Why does the HHKB come with an ABS spacebar? What could've prompted this design choice?

I literally bought a bunch of pbt spacebars for 10€ shipped, mixed colors.

Living at 400km from Matt3o helps I guess :)

>> No.52332758

>>52332725
>>52332729
>I'm literally retarded

>> No.52332785

>>52332698
>All these replies
lmao

>> No.52332830
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Hi Im here too

Sorry its not much of a meme board, no colorful anime characters lying around it

>> No.52332841

>>52332785
Many people fell for the ToplelHHKB meme

>> No.52332867

>>52332830
>not much of a meme
>cherry browns

kik

>> No.52332907

>>52332867
my last board were blues, I wanted to try browns

Informed purchases are hardly memes, hell they aren't even common on /g/

>> No.52332939

>>52332830
Enjoy your keycaps!

>> No.52332945

>>52332939
I will ty!

>> No.52332987
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I just won an apple extended keyboard 2 on eBay. I'm planning on converting it to usb with a teensy.

Anyone have any experience with the AEKII or converting a keyboard with a teensy?

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hypersphere's hhkb

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>>52331515

>> No.52333015
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Hammer case (with some wool felt inside), FaceU PCB, lubed Cherry MX black with 62g springs, dye-sublimated OG Cherry caps, SIP sockets, alu plate, Pexon cable (double sleeving).

Typing sound :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BuTNAWrtms

>> No.52333040
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>>52331552
topre = buckling spring > blues > all

this is objectively correct

>> No.52333076

where do I buy a keyboard with no switches? I have a keyboard with switches but the circuit is fucked or something because I jizzed on the keyboard so when I press one key it ends up pressing like 3 different other keys as well

>> No.52333079

>>52333015
This is something I love the sound of, but would most likely hate the feel.
Still nice though!

>> No.52333172

What's the deal with people going overboard with the ergo-clear mods lately? I've seen multiple posts where somebody takes a brown, swaps it with a clear stem and 55/62/65g spring. Isn't it a bit redundant to swap in the clear stem at this point? Bah.

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I've been considering getting a Topre, but the price is very steep. Why is this? Superior Nipon ClickyClacky?

>> No.52333252

>>52333224
Because its a meme.
Everyone who falls for it believes high price = better.

>> No.52333261

>>52333015
what's the price point on one of threse?

>> No.52333275

>>52333224
>the price is very steep. Why is this?

the boards are about 150$ in japan.

there is tons of mx boards in that price range.
The price increases when exporting it or buying from a western reseller.

>> No.52333306

>>52333275
Both of the MX keyboards I purchased were well under $150 dollars. Why isn't there a 'budget' topre keyboard?

>> No.52333338
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>>52333306
>Why isn't there a 'budget' topre keyboard?

git gud

>> No.52333382

poorfag here, what are my cheap options?
Say less than $120

>> No.52333400

>>52333338
>>52333338
what shop?

>> No.52333417
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>>52333338

>> No.52333428

>>52333400
it's in the picture.

eprice.it

I'm quite sure the price rose again now.

>> No.52333433

>>52333400
Apparently it was some sale around christmas.
It's about 150€ now.
This guy posts that pic here and there.

>> No.52333450

Oh wait it's 109 now

http://www.eprice.it/tastiere-COOLERMASTER/d-5765551

iso layout tho

>> No.52333452

>>52333433
nvm it says 110€ right now

>> No.52333477

>>52333433
its 109€ there still but they only have the it/iso layout sadly.
see >>52333450

>> No.52333517

>>52333306
The cooler master and the type heaven are both relatively cheap for a topre.

I'd say that the high price comes from the fact that they generally have quite good build quality, pbt caps and that the switch is a whole lot more complex than MX.

Though as someone else said, they're relatively cheap in Japan.

>> No.52333580

>>52331916
Fuck you, you can't deny that ABS keycaps get shiny as hell, and fast

>> No.52333715

>>52333517
Well the Japanese Amazon site sells them for about the same amount as the US site, so unless I move to Japan and buy from a local store then I'm not going to get a deal.

>> No.52333749

>>52331515
How much do you weigh?

>> No.52333763
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Posting a decent pic since /g/ gets so easily triggered otherwise.

>> No.52333789
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>> No.52333885

Is there any way to test out any of the switches aside from the ones from bestbuy? They have the red switches which felt weird to me, strangely enough the razer had a nice clicky feel to them (but felt slightly less quality than the red despite having a more satisfying press), and that logitech keyboard the orion or whatever felt like mushy garbage and the key caps were all angled funny.

Are there any other possible locations that have some keyboards on display that I could try out? I say this while typing on a 50 dollar blue switch that I am loving so far but I am certainly curious about what is out there since keyboards seem to be very limited on actual true experiences(unlike headphones or mice)

>> No.52333894

>>52333763
>buying a happy memeing pro 2

lol

>> No.52333910

>>52333763
>dove deodorant

g-gaaaaay

>> No.52333941
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Okay, switches in place. No lock LEDs, though. Gotta go find 'em somewhere locally if I want to finish this thing this weekend.

>> No.52333976

>>52333941
As a newer person to switches, what kinda switches did you place on this board?

>> No.52333992
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52333992

>>52333910
since it's alcohol free it doesn't stain my expensive italian 100% cotton shirts.

>> No.52333994

>>52333224
Novatouch really isn't that expensive compared to other boards, it's a fine entry-level Topre. I thought I'd enjoy Topre, it's talked up like crazy, but it's not as unique as people make it out to be. I'd suggest buying one from Amazon with the intent of returning it, that way you can try it, and if you like it, keep it. It's more or less just like a standard rubber-dome that's smoother and has a click.

>> No.52334008

>>52333976
65g tactile zealios, gateron reds, gateron clears, cherry tactile greys (with swapped tops for more visual consistency).

>> No.52334035

>>52334008
wow how much did all of that end up costing you?

>> No.52334044

>>52334035
I dunno.

>> No.52334062

>>52333941
What's the logic behind putting three keys there instead of a spacebar?

Also, how much did all of this roughly cost you?

>> No.52334070

>>52333941
that is awesome, def best kb ever posted in one of these generals

>> No.52334077

>>52334062
>What's the logic behind putting three keys there instead of a spacebar?
I get an extra modifier out of it.

>Also, how much did all of this roughly cost you?
See >>52334044

>> No.52334099

>>52334077
So are there two long keys that are spacebar and one modifer in the middle?

>> No.52334112

>>52331604
>>52334008
I wanted the zealio 67g... I think massdrop was offering them for white fox keyboard drop. But I waited and they got sold out. Oh well... I really didn't need to spend 170 on another keyboard. Not when Iove my Unicomp.

>> No.52334129

>>52334099
Correct.

>> No.52334151

>>52334129
How do you maintain this aesthetically?

With blanks?

>> No.52334200

>>52333433
It's ~$135 (125€) here, though it'll probably cost an arm to ship it to you.

>> No.52334209
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>>52334151
Initially, yes - I have a set of Gateron PBT that will cover this entirely, except for the extra 2.25 shift. I don't have any other Cherry profile caps, so I'm not sure what I'll stick there for now.

I've ordered a set of Round 5a caps for the long term, so in a few months' time it'll look like this (more-or-less).

>> No.52334233

>>52333789
dat shine

>> No.52334246

>>52334233
All model M keycaps are shiny on the side.

>> No.52334247

>>52334209
what's with the meme fingers on the numpad

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>>52333763
i should have bought the blank hhkb instead

>> No.52334383

>>52334367
What if you're using one hand and need to hit one of the symbols like &, I can't do that one handed nigga

>> No.52334416

>>52334383
that doesn't make a difference with blank keycaps, you're going to need bigger hands.

>> No.52334492

>>52334416
or just a normal keyboard

>> No.52334496

>>52334367
>i should have bought the blank hhkb instead
Yeah I thought If I'm going for the most aesthetic board, might as well go all in and have no regrets.

It wasn't me asking about the one-handed typing btw.
I'm doing just fine.

>> No.52334849

Where can I have custom PBT caps made. I can't find anything like what I need.

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>>52334247
You fucking nigger, you made me kek.

>> No.52334880

>>52334849
What are you looking for, specifically?

>> No.52334942

>>52334880
A business, preferable online, that takes orders from consumer willing to pay to have them produce custom PBT caps

>> No.52334967

>>52334942
I mean what you are looking for in your caps.

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Best keyboard ever coming through.

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>>52334975
I can't see it since an ancient huge piece of plastic is in the way.

>> No.52335005

>>52334975
my nigga

>> No.52335044

>>52334975
hipster faggot coming through. everyone look at him and laugh

>> No.52335049
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>>52334997

>> No.52335098

>>52334942
Signature plastics does PBT dyesub DSA and DCS sets.
MOQ will probably be at 50+ sets.

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>>52331438
I'm getting an IBM Model M soon.

Has anyone ever installed El-Wire into one of these classics to lite them up?
>If so how?

>> No.52335119

>>52335044
>buckling springs are bad
faggot detected

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>>52334997
>>52335044
I bet you guys listen to music digitally like a bunch of faggots.

>> No.52335130

>>52335111
Just use LEDs like any sane person.

>> No.52335141

>>52335122
tape is digital you mongoloid.

>> No.52335143

>>52335119
Not gonna lie I have an SSK and I don't love them

>> No.52335174

>>52335143
I'll buy it off of you.

Post pics of your ssk.

>> No.52335182

>>52335122
You have no idea how much I hate you right now

>> No.52335186

>>52334942
Which profile? Imsto.cn does custom PBT if I'm not mistaken.

>> No.52335194

>>52335174
Nah I'm keeping it for the collector's value. I like the way it looks on my shelf as well.

>> No.52335207

>>52335194
At least let us see it, man.

>> No.52335221

>>52335182
How much do you hate me right now?

>> No.52335272
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>>52335207
With lettered keycaps

>> No.52335374

>>52335111
If you want it to look like shit and make high pitch noises, use elwire.
or >>52335130

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>>52335272
Damn, I'm jelly. Fuck you for having one.
AND NOT EVEN LIKING THE SWITCHES/USING IT.
JUST

>> No.52335431
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where do i get this abort key, i need it in my life

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>>52335272
My nigga, that's cool as shit.

Too bad people on eBay never sell those at a decent price.

>> No.52335441

>>52335431
planned parenthood

>> No.52335450

>>52335431
pimpmykeyboards

>> No.52335461
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>>52335431
ask your mother

>> No.52335482

>>52335440
yeah i spent like $250 on it lol

>> No.52335486

Is there a market in finding model m's and cleaning them up?
Whats the bottom price you guys are looking to buy model m's?

>> No.52335504

>>52335486
Cheaper than what I get at unicomp.

>> No.52335532

>>52335486
Try going to some local thrift stores before you buy one on eBay.

If you get lucky, you might even be able to get a Model M for below $15.

>> No.52335557

>>52335482
I'm slightly less salty now ( >>52335414 ) I thought you just found one and was keeping it because.
>I like the way it looks on my shelf
Still mad tho.

>> No.52335559

>>52335486
This guy does it: https://www.reddit.com/user/Le_Sega_Dreamcast/submitted/

>> No.52335592

>>52335504
So like $80 before shipping?
>>52335532
Oh, I'm not looking for my self. I was going to go around salvation/goodwill/thirft stores and see if they have any laying around. I was hoping someone here would be interested in them. It sounds rather fun to me.

>> No.52335604

>>52335592
Yeah, like 50 to 60 bucks would be my budget for a refurbished model m.

>> No.52335631

>>52335592
In that case, I am interested in what you are suggesting.

For a refurbished Model M I would pay...
>up to $85 for one without yellowing
>up to $50 for one with yellowing

I would go up higher but at that point a brand new Unicomp is cheaper

>> No.52335642

>>52335592
The pain in the ass part comes when the membrane assembly sheet is damaged.
Are you planning to try to bolt mod, or just clean up and resell?

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>>52331484
Hi

>> No.52335724

>>52335631
>yellowing
I would clean up the internals the best i can. I've had success restoring plastic on other electronics in the past, i would defiantly get them back to original the best i could, without replacing parts.

>>52335642
>Bolt mod.
I don't know what that means.

>clean up and resell?
If the above isn't too intricate, and i can do it. Yes, I would be interested in finding then and reselling them, bolt mod withstanding.

>> No.52335795

>>52335724
Maybe this video can help you a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JkO35gsIB8

>> No.52335862

>>52335724
They're not hard to just clean up, a few tutorials and you'll be find.
But if you are willing to attempt to bolt mod them
(removing the plastic rivets holding the keyboard to its internal plate and replacing them with small screws)
you will have something you could charge a little more money for.
All assuming you can actually find enough model m's to make it worth it.

>> No.52335905

>>52335862
I'd absolutely be willing to pay $100+ for a Model M that's been refurbished to that extent.

>> No.52335984

>>52335905
Same, they're very sturdy and last even longer when its done right.
I want to try do do it to my M13, but don't feel like fucking with the trackpoint.

>> No.52336095

>>52335795
>>52335862
>>52335905
>bolt mod
Oh, just adding screw fasteners instead of the rubber/plastic.

This definitely seems doable. I just need to find a board first.

Thank you.

>> No.52336163

>>52336095
Defiantly do it the way the guy in the video >>52335795 linked does though.
Less chance of cracking it. Also don't make it them too tight or the membrane sheets can get messed up.

>> No.52336254

I have a Ducky DK2108S that I bought for $80 CAD that's kind of worn down now. Trying to clean some sticky keys currently.

What's the closest replacement these days?

>> No.52336338

>>52336254
The ducky one is the next iteration of boards.
It combines the Shine and the Zero series.
The Shine 5 just recently came out as well

>> No.52336434

My white Pok3r keyboard just came in the other day from from a recent massdrop. The cherry clears feel amazing. All the keys feel uniform compared to my kailh blues that I was using previously. I do miss the clicks and clacks my poseidon z keyboard made. Makes me curious about cherry greens now.

>> No.52336701

>>52335141
>tape is digital you mongoloid
Tapes can be analog or digital. Audio cassettes are analog.
Fun fact: optical discs can be analog too, see laserdisc.

>> No.52337255

>>52336434
Cherry greens are great, the click is nice and sharp, and it is even more tactile than the clear. I have both. I go back and forth between clears and greens but I use the greens more mainly because I like the click.

I'm looking into a matias click because it has the same weight as as clear but a click.

>> No.52337309

Did I make a mistake buying a WASD v2 with browns, /mkg/?

>> No.52337318

>>52337255
>matias click
Using those right now. They feel very nice.
Have you ever tried simplified white alps before?

>> No.52337319

>>52337309
You made two mistakes.

>> No.52337342

>>52337319
Is WASD that bad? I've seen so many good reviews, the keyboards look quite nice and I liked the customization options. I wanted mechanical without the noise - I had a Blackwidow Ultimate from early 2014 that I loved, but it was simply too loud to use practically.

>> No.52337366

>>52337318
Glad to hear you like it. No. I haven't. Maybe one day I'll order a switch tester or something. Or just take a leap of faith on the matias click.

>> No.52337389

>>52337366
Just take the leap of faith. I've tried greens and blues, these feel so much better imo.

>> No.52337394

>>52337342
General consensus is that the keyboard itself is fine but that the keycaps are very cheap.

Loudness of the keyboard depends on the switch and how hard you type. If you have a clicky switch its gonna be loud, if you type really hard and bottom out with force it will be loud. You can look into o rings.

>> No.52337410

>>52337342
Should've gotten it with clears mate.

>> No.52337412

>>52337389
Cool. I'm looking forward to it. I may grab another v60 with the matias click. Kinda waiting on Mdrop to have another nice keyboard drop with custom switch selection.

>> No.52337423

>>52337394
That's kind of depressing, half the reason I went with WASD was the customizable keycaps. I even bought custom Windows 95 1x1.25 keys to replace the ones they come with. Oh well, I guess I'll take this as a lesson learned.

>>52337410
I'll keep that in mind for my next keyboard purchase. Clears are still stiff, right?

>> No.52337447

>>52337423
They're as loud as browns, but with the actuation force of blues and a rapidly increasing resistance once you've crossed the tactile bump.

I liked browns on my first board, and absolutely loved clears on my second.

And then I went Topre.

>> No.52337477

>>52337423
That's just the received wisdom. I know it sucks, but you may not have problems. But getting new keycaps is fun, you'll find a cool set and move on.

Clears are reasonably stiff, certainly compared to what you had on your razer. They feel really good.

>> No.52337490

>>52337412
That's exactly what i'm using. Might want to pick up some new caps though.
That's the bad part about these switches, you either get the Tai Hao doubleshots
from massdrop or salvage some off an old alps board.

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>>52337447
Pic related is my HHKB and my Ducky Shine 4 with clears and doubleshot translucent pbt keycaps.

>> No.52337506

Got my browns shine 5 today. Felt great typing on it but I won't get much use until I finish my build. First mech too

>> No.52337576

Would I have to solder to replace switches on my pok3r? I really like the clears on the letter/number keys, but they don't quite feel right on the bigger keys like backspace and shift

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>>52337576
>Would I have to solder to replace switches on my pok3r?
Yes.

It's not that much work if you've got proper equipment, see pic related.

>> No.52337641

Why do you want stiff keys. Isn't the whole purpose of going mechanical to relieve finger stress/fatigue and a overall amazing sensation typing?

>> No.52337647

>>52337603
Are you >>52333941?

I've never soldered before so I'd be buying an iron and everything. Been meaning to learn for a while though so I guess now's as good of a time as any. Just need to decide on a switches to use

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>>52337647
Nope, I'm not that guy. (I'd sure like to be, what he's doing looks like hella lot of fun)

The only thing I'm more or less working on currently (waiting for a guy in sweden to have the metal plates cut) is turning an apple extended keyboard with cream alps (the thing on my desk in the picture) into a 60% with arrow keys.

>> No.52337692

>>52337677
That sounds fucking awesome. Keep us posted on that.

>> No.52337717

>>52337603
What soldering iron is that?

>> No.52337780

>>52337692
Will do. Though you probably won't hear from me about this for quite some time still, since I'm not only really slow and lazy, but will also be rather busy in the coming month. But I'll post once some interesting progress is made.

>>52337717
I have no idea actually. It says CFH on it, but that's all I know. Got it from my father, and he got it untold ages ago.

It's quite nifty though, it has a temperature display and you can adjust the temperature to your liking by plus-minus ten degrees celcius.

>> No.52337794

>>52337677
>(I'd sure like to be, what he's doing looks like hella lot of fun)
I just finished soldering and assembling the case, actually. Had to go out to Canadian Radio Shack to get some indicator LEDs. Typing on my NovaTouch's stems as I transfer caps. I am excite.

>> No.52337818

>>52337780
http://www.cfh-gmbh.de/en/products/electric-soldering-appliances/soldering-station/

Found it. Thanks!

>> No.52337850

>>52335795
So what exactly is the purpose of bolt modding?

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>>52337794
I like your variation in switches. I exchanged the left shift key on my Shine 4 (currently retired) for a black switch to relieve strain from my pinky, and I have to say that having linears on your modifiers is really comfy. Should I ever build a keyboard (I couldn't really justify that in any way right now), I will certainly put all kinds of switches in there for the different keyboard areas.

Please post pictures once you're done. Or even when you're still working on it. I want to see more of it.

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>>52335690
Hey sailor

Realtalk tho, my rubber-dome keyboard died in a beer-related accident so I'm stuck with this shitter. What's the cheapest full-size I can get?

I'm looking at the pastebins and cherry switches sound pretty neat, and I don't need fancy things like lights or expensive plastics. The Ducky Zero looks good, but is there anything cheaper that fits my needs? Should I just keep buying pleb shit keyboards?

>> No.52337906

Does anybody here have a Coolermaster quickfire TK? There's some weird shit going on with its' keyboard layout outside of a normal OS. For example, whenever I try to type inside grub or any other bootloader, my space bar prints a space and a + character. The - key only types out 1 and enter. Numlock key types a random number and toggles numlock, etc.

Anybody else with it having that problem?

>> No.52337909

>>52337893
The Apple keyboard is the only tolerable rubber dome keyboard, man, what are you smoking?

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>>52337860
>Please post pictures once you're done. Or even when you're still working on it. I want to see more of it.
Sure.

Bonus filthy NT. God damn, it needs some compressed air.

>> No.52337946

>>52337850
Model m's have shitty plastic rivets that hold the board to the metal plate.
And after 20 years or so, those rivets get brittle and fall off, thus making the keyboard not function right. Bolt modding fixes this and increases the lifespan of the keyboard.

>> No.52337949

>>52337909
It has no numpad and you have to hit Fn to use the function keys. Both these things I use a lot and it's terrible on this board.

>> No.52337963

>>52337949
Oh, it's the bluetooth one? I'm sorry, then. The wired one is honestly one of my favorite keyboards that I've ever used that isn't mechanical.

>> No.52337977

>>52337943
Nice, the spacebar thingy actually looks a whole lot better than I thought it would.

Where'd you get the case and pcb?

>> No.52337997

>>52337943
Oh cool, you're the guy who made the media key pad.

>> No.52337998

>>52337977
https://geek
hack.org/index.php?topic=76617.0

>> No.52338000

>>52337963
It's the wired one, it's just from 2008

>> No.52338046

Jesus why are cherries and their clones considered the Definitive switch at this point? Why does no one make decent keyboards with Alps or some shit?

>> No.52338080

>>52338046
Alps aren't even produced anymore.

Matias jumped in at some point, but cherry has been around since ages at that point.

At least that's what I assume, I do not have anything to back this assumption up, apart from knowing that alps aren't being produced anymore.

>> No.52338109

>>52338046
>Jesus why are cherries and their clones considered the Definitive switch at this point?
Popularity.

>> No.52338115

>>52338046
Your only options are to support matias so they can grow and make more switches, or convince unicomp to not be shit.

>> No.52338126

Are there any guides on sleeving your own USB cables?

I'd order one from pexxon, but I have all the equipment I'd need to do it myself and paying 20-40 bucks for a cable when I can get the same for a fraction of that goes against my philosophy of DIY.

>> No.52338129

>>52338080
Fuck. I hate cherries, but Matias keyboards are uglier than sin. Are the Unicomp Model M clones any good?

>> No.52338148

>>52338129
Get an old keyboard in whatever flavor of alps you'd like on ebay and build a new keyboard.

>> No.52338158

>>52338129
You can buy other keyboards that use matias switches. KPB v60 and v80 for example.

>> No.52338208
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52338208

Okay, now to test out the typing on this motherfucker.

THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG

Yeah, I think I like these Zealios. It's a nice weight. The greys in the spacebar are even more heavy than I expected, despite the thumb's extra strength. I'm only just getting to the actuation point before my thumb says "fuck this". I guess that's just perfect, though.

Also no chattering on the Zealios, but I tested them via multimeter a few days ago. At least MY terrible soldering didn't do any harm.

Next step is to make a few software adjustments.

>> No.52338212

Any recommendation on where to get a set of blank PBT keycaps?

>> No.52338230

>>52338208
Looks dope, whats the key between your spacebars?

>> No.52338236

>>52338208
My experience with once having wanted to build my own custom tells me what this probably cost you an arm and a leg, and probably some other important asset, but damn it looks nice.

>> No.52338267

>>52338208
Damn that's sexy

>> No.52338277

>>52332939
What's wrong with the keycaps.

>> No.52338289

Which switches are the clickest but softest, if you know what i mean? First time purchaser here.

>> No.52338317

>>52338289
Blues.

>> No.52338319

>>52338230
Well, having just opened switch hitter, apparently it's space. That will change to a function layer or some such, though.

>>52338236
This one isn't too bad. I think it was $175 with the metal plate, though if you got an acrylic one it started at $145. Not including switches.

>> No.52338326

>>52338317
Any keyboard you would recommend on a budget with those switches?

>> No.52338329

I write a lot of articles and shit and want to begin writing some longer stuff like Fiction and need to be as comfy as possible. I've been using chicklet boards for years. How much would plugging in a mechanical keyboard to my laptop with an external display increase my comfort ?

>> No.52338358

>>52338319
>function layer
I want that board. Make me one.

>> No.52338374

>>52338326
CM Storm QuickFire XT or QuickFire Rapid, aka babby's first mechanical keyboards.

>> No.52338393

>>52338329
Depends on how you type. Do you pound your keys or put a minimal amount of force on them? Do you care about noise? Do you like having shallow keys or deep keys?

>> No.52338408

>>52338358
Anything custom will allow you to specify some kind of layers. Hell, I even have one on my macro pad.

>> No.52338429

tfw bought a poker 2 and have never used the pn layer

maybe I should sell it and get a novatouch

>> No.52338454

>>52337893
The Coolermaster quckifre xt may be cheaper then the ducky zero

>> No.52338490

>>52338329
Topre w/ wrist rest, nice big display, f.lux, white-on-dark-grey word processor theme, comfy ass chair

Damn that'd be comfy.

>> No.52338768

>>52338393
i'm pretty light on a keyboard. i don't care about noise, i like the clacking actually. i like both types of keys

>> No.52339192

>>52338768
Do you like typing on typewriters and the sound they make

>> No.52339302

>Using a keyboard without a numpad
Absolutely disgusting

>> No.52339638

>>52338208

Hey, a fellow Compact SQer.

JigOn is really easy to use, change those LED colors already.

I almost went for the split spacebar, but I just figured it'd be hell to get keycaps for it. I ended up going with a SP DSA keyset anyway, which would be easy to get blanks for anyway. I'd change it, but I am too lazy to unsolder the whole board.

>> No.52339656

>>52339638
>I almost went for the split spacebar, but I just figured it'd be hell to get keycaps for it.
Yeah, you're definitely llimited.

>> No.52339682

>>52339656
Let me try that again.

>>52339638
>I almost went for the split spacebar, but I just figured it'd be hell to get keycaps for it.
Yeah, you're definitely limited.

>I'd change it, but I am too lazy to unsolder the whole board.
I think not wanting to desolder an entire board after having just put it together doesn't really classify as laziness.

>> No.52339689

>>52339302
Thanks for popping in to give us your valued opinion.

>> No.52339722

>>52337492
I've got a Ducky Shine 2 with blues and I've got an HHKB in the mail. How do you like it anon?

>> No.52339746

>>52331552
that's a nice fingers fedora you got there

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>>52339638

Shit, I forgot my picture.

This is like a week old picture. Here it is before I completely screwed down the top plate.

I did end up going back and chaning the numpad + to two switches.

I am still waiting on keycaps right now.

>>52339682

Might are plate and PCB mounted too, so they are a bitch to remove.

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>>52331552

No, not even close.

Buckling Springs > Greens/Clear/Topre (personal preference) > Everything else > Browns

>> No.52340261

>>52339773
NUCLEAR DATA BASE KIT

WHEN?

FUCK YOU FOR NEVER HAVING STOCK PMK

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>>52340261

>a restock of an SA kit

SA is FotM. You are looking at well past March. They are backed up with new kits until then.

If you are interested in a DSA keyset, all of those are restocking soon. Shit, Deep Space should be next week actually.

>> No.52340323

>>52340293
what keyboard is this?

>> No.52340370

>>52340323

Quick Fire Rapid.

If you are looking for a simple TKL there are better ones out there.

>> No.52340418

>>52339749
So I started to play around with JigOn, and in doing so I have found that two of my RGB LEDs are broke. Saddening.

>> No.52340434

If I wanted to mod my poker 3's switches to ergo clears, would I have to desolder everything?

>> No.52340458

>>52340370
Yeah, been looking around at TKL, opening my options

>> No.52340500

>>52340434
yes

>> No.52340507

>>52340500
Lame as fuck, sounds super tedious

>> No.52340531

Should the guide be updated as there are newer keyboards and some on the list are becoming rarer to find.

>> No.52340553

>>52340507
i mean it would be time consuming but if you aren't a retard soldering shouldn't be a problem

>> No.52340569

>>52340507
The whole keyboard hobby in general is tedious.

>> No.52340745

>>52340418

I haven't run mine through a full gamut of colors yet, but they have displayed everything I have tried too. Hope they aren't broken...

Post in the thread and see if you can find the model numbers. I would assume you can buy replacements off of digikey.

>> No.52340778

>>52340745
Yeah, seems the blue is busted on my top-left corner, and the bottom-left was bugging out on certain animations.

Someone else already asked for a part number, so I'll wait on the response to that.

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52340862

Anyone have the Rosewill RK-9000V2 BR shown in the picture? It's on sale for $70 on Amazon/Newegg with MX brown switches. People say the quality of it is really good and I've been eyeing MX brown for a long time.

Anyone have any experience with Rosewill boards?

>> No.52340864

>>52339773
Nothing wrong with browns sonny

>> No.52340905

>>52340862
brown is the superior choice for typing and gaming, everything else is just a placebo

>> No.52340911

>>52332229
How do you justify that price? I know it's not the only keyboard you're ever going to buy.

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>>52340905

>> No.52340929

>>52340911
>How do you justify that price?
Why is this a thing one needs to do?

>> No.52340934

>>52332229

This guys:
>>52338208

Is a Korean Custom that started at $145

>> No.52340973

>>52340862
I got one about a week ago, and I am loving it so far. It is my first mechanical keyboard so I can't be more specific.

>> No.52340990

>>52340973
>>52340905
>brown

literally babby's first switch

>> No.52341037

>>52340990
>It is my first mechanical keyboard
That's what I said.

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why

>> No.52341695

>>52340990
I've used Mx blues before but they are simply too loud even with O-rings and not bottoming out. Browns have the same tactile click but are just not as loud

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>>52341695
>Browns have the same tactile click
>Browns
>click

>> No.52341761

>>52341718
i mean if you used a brown switch there is a click, but it becomes more subtle with use

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>>52341761

>> No.52341782

>>52341775
if you want to actually contribute to the discussion that's cool, but if you don't i don't really have anything else to add

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>>52341782
browns arent clicky

i dont need to say anything else

>> No.52341797

gonna order a 660m

black or navy caps? blank or printed?

>> No.52341812

>>52341793
sorry, you're right, and i had to find the source myself so you could have posted one before me

http://www.logicalincrements.com/#!/keyboard

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>>52341812
yee

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52341920

What are the better alternative switches to Buckling springs/Cherry MX line? There have been SO many MX clones that it's hard to keep up, what switches does /g/ recommend?

>> No.52342079

>>52341920
>inb4 Topre shills

>> No.52342085
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Anyone here owns the Realforce 104U? Any advice before getting one?

>> No.52342100

>>52342085
Do you like memes and rubberdomes?

>> No.52342131

>>52342085
>full size

enjoy your rekt ergonomics

>> No.52342219

>>52342131
I can't really decide if I want the full keyboard or not. The number pad allows me to type numbers really fast, since I've memorized it.

>> No.52342248

>>52341920
It's hard to tell whether alternative switches are better since typically the boards that use the other switches are much cheaper and tend to have build quality issues. So the switches themselves might be just as good but it leaves a sour taste in your mouth to have them just fail on you after a few weeks of using it

>> No.52342277

>>52342131
Where did this meme come from? Do people honestly enjoy paying $100+ for a keyboard that is literally half size with less switches and use?

Where the fuck do you people even live where having a numpad is just taking up SO MUCH SPACE that you just can't manage it?

>> No.52342349

>>52342277
I'm not him but I can imagine that having a smaller keyboard will allow you to center it to the center of your body, which is perfect ergonomics. The mouse would be where the numpad is, which seems like it would be a much more comfortable position.

>> No.52342445

>>52342277
>bigger is better

american spotted

>> No.52342493

>>52342277
>he's too hamhanded to touchtype the homerow

>> No.52342638

>>52337492

Those are the vortex set right? The number pad looks strange to me. I have the nonbacklit ones and they are awesome but I have a TKL so ive never noticed but the numberpad legends look huge for some reason.

>>52338208

Nice keyboard! I really like the 1800-esque layouts.

>> No.52342673
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52342673

My Func Kb460 desu

Only none-rice keyboard with gayming shit

I got it with MX Blues for £40 (almost $70)

Can't deny that deal senpai

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>>52338208

Still waiting on my keys....across the ocean still.

>> No.52344045

>>52339722
I really like the HHKB. It's compact and looks aesthetic as fuck.

Just one thing about Topre: When you switch to Topre, it's not as much of an overwhelming difference as when you switch between cherry switches (it's a large difference, but I wasn't blown away like I was switching from browns to clears). It's far more of a somewhat subtle, but really really comfy feeling of typing on them together with the really nice and comfy sound.

After a few hours, you start to feel like you just want to keep typing on it all the time, it's a really nice feeling.

>> No.52344068

>>52342673
>gayming shit
You mean a nonstandard bottom row?

>> No.52344069

Hop on the new thread

>>52343362
>>52343362
>>52343362

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>>52335461

>> No.52345078

>>52338454
I think "i'll forgoe the comfort of a numpad for this, actually. your suggestion seems best and fits right under my budget, tenkeyless. Just have to wait for the next paycheck

>> No.52346832

>>52340990
What would you consider a good switch?

>> No.52346843

>>52341920
purple zealios

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