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You stringy gawks let the old one go into the black.

Post your futuristic fashion inspo/fits/questions here

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>> No.9507743

I'm putting together a very cheap fit, and I've decided to go for French Jungle Boots for footwear. Should I get a pair with a buckle or without?

For reference:

>Buckle
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/mil-tec-french-model-jungle-boots-with-buckles-olive-drab/24556

>Without
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/mil-tec-french-model-jungle-boots-olive-drab/20443

>> No.9507836

>>9507332
pant's are eh but holy shit w2c that jacket?

>> No.9507851

>>9507743
with, definitely with

>> No.9507855

>>9507743
no buckle unless ur a grill, then buckle is ok

but get palladiums instead if you can, better quality.

>> No.9507977

>>9507851
>>9507855
>50/50 for and against

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>>9507278
>>9507282
>>9507284
>>9507289
>>9507293
it's hard to be inspired by fits that aren't real. kinda takes away from the idea that you could really wear this shit and look good, like it's only possible in a vidya or something :(

>> No.9508293

>>9507855
this. buckle, if grill, would look dope af

>> No.9508961

>>9508280
what are those trousers?

>> No.9509061

>>9507855
>>9508293
not a grill. idk if grills are even into this style

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>>9507315

>> No.9510589

>>9507294

brand? w2c pls

>> No.9510595

>>9510589
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>> No.9510601
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>>9510595
bruh

>> No.9510612

>>9510601
hahahahahahahahaha you're even trashier than I expected

>> No.9510621

>>9510612

nice one dude got me good

>> No.9510704

>>9507356
w2c all

>> No.9510713

>>9510704
boots are kva, the jacket and trousers are selfmade

>> No.9510964

>>9508280
Jacket?

>> No.9511117

>>9507743
With
Also, this website is pretty great. Any more where I can get great military stuff out of?

>> No.9511125
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Should I cop the sfb? I'm thinking about making the zipper thing myself since I can't find it anywhere.
Where can I cop them for cheap? They're already pretty cheap on ebay but I hear that some websites sell these for around 30-40$

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thoughts?

would these fit in to the aesthetic?

>> No.9511344

w2c slim cargo pants?

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Lebron 11s are sorta futuristic looking.

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Anyone got a higher res of this?

I like that jacket

>> No.9511851
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Nike Air Mags are SUPPOSED to be futuristic so there's those.

>> No.9511858

>>9511849
wow this is almost as bad as the assasins creed hoodie

>> No.9511871

>>9511858

It's quite cyber looking without going over the top

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>> No.9511939

>>9511913

That autist with the glittery shoes

>> No.9511941

>>9511939
The sad thing is, Those 3 pairs of shoes most likely cost more than your car.

>> No.9511950

>>9511849
It looks so stupid and good at the same time

>> No.9511960

>>9511950
Its one of those things that will look really retarted the second you step out of the pose and studio lighting

>> No.9512001

>>9511341
no. maybe but it would be really tough to make them look good. probably no.

>> No.9512006

>>9511851
i'll wait for the power-laced ones

>> No.9512236

>>9511341
these have some serious potential but you would have to be really careful not to look autistic in them. That said, correct colors and they do gave the futury vibe.

>>9512006
this guy knows what's up

>> No.9512249

Why is /fa/ always trying to shoehorn in their aspergers and chinese cartoons obsessions into trying to dress better.

Here's some tips:

1) Stop trying to look mysterious with all these dark colours and hoods, it looks autistic. You won't come off looking badass, you come off as awkward.

2) Stop trying to make any references to your favourite Chinese cartoons. Again, this is an awkward private hobby that has absolutely no place in your choice of clothes.

>> No.9512259

>>9512249
>>9512249

>These guys are so afraid of colour :'(

>> No.9512295

>>9512249
I'm sorry you feel that way.

>> No.9512359

The truth >>9512249
It's not about mocking your "creativity", but mocking your obsession with the idea of "been into creativity".

>> No.9512503

>>9510589
mmm

>> No.9512737

>>9512236
>>9512001
yeah okay that's sorta what I thought too.

idk if I can pull them off, and I'm not gonna jump on them anytime soon but they do have potential

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>>9511125
Kicks are slick, just make sure you get the black ones. The brown ones scream "Fake operat0r"

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>>9510574
http://www.bad-justice.jp/SHOP/ams-gl-ss002.html

How do i get these in the USA??? I MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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what do you guys think of the Keen Gallatin for a lunar sandal?

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>>9514940
Those massive logos on the side fuck with the aesthetic.

>> No.9514966

>>9507271
there is someone who dress like that?
or is all this a troll, or just inspo?

>> No.9515009

>>9514966
Are you retarded?

>> No.9515016

>>9515009
just new to this crazy shit

>> No.9515048

>>9507315
Designer?

>> No.9515099

>>9514940
>>9514962
I dunno, kinda gives them an industrial vibe. at least it isn't a rage intrusive logo, just simple + yellow

>>9515048
sorry, I havn't the foggiest. I picked up that pic on a lunar thread like a year and a half ago.

>> No.9515106

>>9515099
>>9514962
>>9514940
>>9515099
those look like some seriously home-schooler tier shit

>> No.9515129

>>9510589
They are Martin Margiela Speed Bike Sneakers. Very difficult to find.

>> No.9515146
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I really liked the style in Oblivion.

>> No.9515155

>>9515146
i would kill for a racer jacket like that

>> No.9515168

>>9515155
There are many reproductions out there. Just Google oblivion jacket. Not sure about the quality on any of them though.

>> No.9515177

>>9515168
the shoulder/inner-arm ribbing looks like shit on the ones with actual product pictures.

>> No.9515190
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>>9515177
Yeah I agree. This guy made a DIY denim one that looks pretty good.

>> No.9515198

>>9515190
that is frakking incredible, but sadly I lack the patience for that kind of diy

>> No.9515204

>>9515198
Here's the thread. Incredible stuff.
http://www.therpf.com/f24/oblivion-jack-harper-jacket-pants-detail-pattern-template-192869/

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>>9515146
Should I cop a white replica off ebay? There are some at 400$ which look amazing, but they're too expensive for a novelty item really. I'm thinking about getting one of the 100 dollar range. Should I ? I've never bought movie jackets because they always seemed cheesy af to own but the white jacket looks so good...

cop or not? I'm scared it'll just end up looking like this lol

>> No.9517013

>>9516091
the pic related one looks pretty scrap imo

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>>9515146
I love the look, the problem is in practice you end up looking like an autistic weeb, rather than a cyberpunk. It's hard to pull off. Like, I want a book with a simple strap and a zipper that I can wear with a pair of regular black jeans...but I can't find one. So many of the strap boots are try-hard autism level.

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>>9517999
a boot with a strap***

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>>9514080
does NO ONE know where to get glasses like this in the US?? I really want some!

>> No.9518040

>>9518003
im really not getting this poverty stricken cyborg thing. Not for artistic value or for inspo.

Its like someone watched a neill blomkamp marathon and completely missed the point

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>>9518040
It might be a little too borgy.

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>>9507271

>> No.9518414

>>9516091
Honestly even the $400 one on eBay doesn't look that great. I would just get a leather jacket without the pattern.

>> No.9518633

>>9516091
people will think you are retarded its a god damn strait jacket . DO NOT COP

>> No.9518794
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Threw together this fit. Opinions?

>> No.9519017

>>9518794
wow. paladiums in a lunar core fit you're really not afraid to break down barriers

>> No.9519079

>>9519017
Can you recommend any alternatives? The Paladiums are so popular for a reason. They're cheap and look good.

>> No.9519189
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>>9519079
I'm not a big lunarcore fan, but I think the only part of this that is out of place is the shirt. Get something slimfit with a round-neck colar from thelees.
>pic related

>> No.9519205

>>9519189
I'll look into that. Thanks for the suggestion

>> No.9519273

>>9518794
w2c jacket

>> No.9519301

>>9519273
http://www.amazon.com/New-Balance-Military-Retardant-AFR305/dp/B00IDK27X2

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>>9519079
http://www.pfflyers.com/Center-Hi-Mono/PM15OH1-MC,default,pd.html?dwvar_PM15OH1-MC_color=Charcoal&start=5&cgid=10001

it will be very ridley scott

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I think faux furs would look nice. Especially worn around the shoulders.
>pic related

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Just bought this, it'll be a great little detail

>> No.9519367

>>9519341
Woah that's pretty awesome. What strap are you getting for it?

>> No.9519372
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>>9519367
for now just a basic nato strap although my endgame is to find a strap that incorporates bronze in it like the case does.

Pic related

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can anyone recommend some fitted cargos that look like something in the vein of pic related with costing 800 fucking dollars

>> No.9519471

>>9519447
julius cargos are revolting

if u want to emphasize ur high estrogen thighs go ahead

look how fab teddy looked in them

>> No.9519500

>>9519471
its the breeches look its very napoleon chic

if you have thighs like knoch's which have a smaller diameter than most forearms they should look great

>> No.9519504

>>9519447
Sort of like this maybe?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331494763564

>> No.9519513

>>9519504
i owe u two rimjobs

>> No.9519520

>>9519513
If you end up getting them, let me know what the quality is like.

>> No.9519522

>>9519447

lol you can find julius cargos second hand for like 1-200

>> No.9519681

>>9518052
>Rhodesian surplus vest
>being able to just get one of those

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>>9519500
>should

m8 they look perfect on him

>> No.9519691

>>9519685
>cosmonautcore

>> No.9519725
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I know they're from "babbies first lunarcore collection", but can we get some Palladium inspo?

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>>9519725

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>>9519736

>> No.9519741
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>> No.9519743

>>9519685
You cunts can blow Knoch's dick all day but it doesn't change the fact that he got the body of a 13 year old kid from Aushwitz.

>> No.9519748

>>9518040
That's pretty much the definition of cyberpunk.

"high tech lowlife"

>> No.9519750
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>>9519743
Not really. He's skinny but that's about it. Pretty much everybody posting shit about knoch just has nothing better to do while he provides content and is relevant to discussion of this style.

Back to the thread now.

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>>9519750
more knoch palladium inspo

>> No.9519770

>>9519756
It's just that military chic looks goofy as shit on skinny manlets like him. All of his photos in this thread prove that point.

>> No.9519772

>>9519770
I'm really sorry you think that way. Thank god taste is subjective. Maybe one day you'll grow up and realize your ignorance.

>> No.9519780
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>>9519770
>goofy

Nah, that's just you. His military pieces all fit perfectly.

w2c these boots in space leather ?

>> No.9519801

>>9519772
Wow, how very mature and condescending of someone who is most likely younger than 20 years old.
You see, military uniform/military inspired clothing is masculine by default. It implies that the guy wearing it is a capable and physically fit man who isn't afraid of confrontation. That thing is anything but the aforementioned. Noodle arms hanging about powerlessly, narrow feminine shoulders, sticklike legs, sickly look on his face. He wouldn't stand one punch to his gut without falling down and crying like a bitch. Nor can he harm anybody with those arms that never held anything heavier than an iphone. Hardly a fitting physical condition for somebody who dresses that tough, don't you think?
So my point is, military chic is for actual man, not twiglike excuses for males who never fought a single fight in their lives. It looks stupid and poser as fuck on them.

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>>9519801
That's the longest post of projections I've ever seen.

>> No.9519832

>>9519814
>instant ad hominem and lel u mad any time an arguement comes up
Never change, /fa/.

Go suck his tiny manlet dick some more, bitchboy.

>> No.9519844

>>9519832
>instant ad hominem
>Go suck his tiny manlet dick some more, bitchboy.

I don't think you know what an ad hominem is...

>> No.9520132

>>9519737
w2c pants?

>> No.9520167

>>9519801
>being this obsessed with being violent and harming people
youre a fucking loser lol go back to theredpill you big alpha you

>> No.9521810

>>9519780
you can prob find them in sage green on most milsurp sites/stores

>> No.9522643
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can we please not turn this into a knoch fanboy thread

>> No.9522660

unless there's some actual tech in the fit its not "cyber" at all

>> No.9522679

>>9519801
he is a militaria enthusiast, he is not trying to be a faux-soldier tough guy.

this post is really embarrassing i hope its bait

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>>9522643
he's the only person who could ever wear any of this shit

>> No.9524258
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I'm thinking vintage digital watch or Vostok would be good with these fits, what about sunglasses? I honestly can't think of any that would work well with a lunar fit. Lunarcore accessories?

>> No.9524318

>>9524258
Teashades maybe

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>>9519801
i agree

>> No.9525929

>>9519801
Wow compensation for tiny dick much?

go die for Israel or something

>> No.9525939

>>9519756
ww2core

straight up faggot if you actually wear that on the streets

>> No.9526100

>>9519801
im a narrow shouldered twink with gay lisp and army infantry combat veteran. am i allowed to wear military chic?

>> No.9526173
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GOOGLES NOT GOGGLES, FAGGITS.

>> No.9526420

>>9519685
Lol it's Wilfred

>> No.9527239

>>9519520
probably gonna go for it so check the recent cops thread. i wont be screaming from the front page the janitors will hate ctrl+f jogger

>> No.9527260

>>9519079
Nike SFB
Can be had for very low prices at clearance stores like Marshals and Ross
Still looks good in 3 colors

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>> No.9527317

>tfw want to look high tech, low life but can't seem to get a good realistic fit going

I don't want to look like an autist, just like I'm from a dystopian future.

>> No.9527318

Listen I admire people who follow their own styles but how in the hell are you supposed to pull this shit off? Does anyone here actually own any of this shit? I would like to see a pic I just dont see it possible.

>> No.9527383

>>9527288
oh shit nilla, w2c? those are some shiny fuckin pantaloons

>> No.9527479

spacetribe.com

(weird stuff)

>> No.9527482

>>9527479
forgot the link to this post: >>9527383

>> No.9527506

>>9527479
>>9527482
dude, I totally know somebody who was in a fashion show for these people. fuckin small world

>> No.9527526

>>9524530
yo how do i distress a t-shirt so it looks like the one with the fucked up hem in this pic

do i have to undo the hem stitches then attack it with a knife and scissors?

>> No.9527529
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9527529

>>9527506
wow, kinda cool
(although tbh i dont like most of their stuff lol)

(btw is this shirt from their site garbage?)

>> No.9527546

>>9527529
cool design, but couldn't see it in an actual fit though

>> No.9527581

>>9527318
I think the key is to take the pictures in this thread as inspiration. Use the colorwave and style but don't go over the top with it.

>> No.9527588
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9527588

>>9527318
This is a good example.

>> No.9527741

>>9507855
do palladiums even go that high up?

>> No.9527837

cyber ninja is my goal aesthetic
no joke. tactical utility combined with tech fabrics and high degree of movement and articulation. imagine surplus bro + health goth
I think its the future

>> No.9527861

>>9518015
anyone know the style of gloves in the pic? w2c

>> No.9527865

>>9507332
is that kochensack?

>> No.9527866

>>9527865
yes its an old picture of knoch

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