[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/fa/ - Fashion


View post   

File: 243 KB, 1147x1063, peace (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019755 No.9019755 [Reply] [Original]

Be honest, has any of this /fa/ bullshit gotten any of you guys laid? /fit/ here. Nothing in life has contributed more to my dick nosediving into vaginas than lifting.

I am trying to increase the number of hoes I fuck on a yearly basis and am looking at ways to do this. Pic related is me.

>inb4 dyel
>inb4 manlet (5' 9", suck a dick)

>> No.9019762

no on dresses to get laid. that's just exactly the wrong motivation and is for total fucking tools anyway. this is pretty b8y.

>> No.9019765

>/fit/
>lifting for girls

I don't believe you.

>> No.9019766

>>9019755
You missed pecs day.

>> No.9019768

>>9019762
>no on dresses to get laid
The only people who say shit this stupid are people who don't get laid.

Why do you go through the effort to buy expensive stuff and store all these clothes if it's not to gain popularity and demonstrate value to women?

>> No.9019771

>>9019765
>not lifting for girls
Anybody who says otherwise is an autist or a liar.

>> No.9019772

>>9019755
call me bby xx

>> No.9019776
File: 4 KB, 200x200, 1409290557564.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019776

>>9019768
>Why do you go through the effort to buy expensive stuff and store all these clothes if it's not to gain popularity and demonstrate value to women?

>> No.9019778
File: 85 KB, 300x269, lw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019778

>>9019776
Holy shit. You're serious, aren't you?

>> No.9019781

>>9019771
Have you ever been to /fit/? They're every bit as autistic as /jp/.

>> No.9019782
File: 36 KB, 347x344, 10616514_10204663807412592_643304518667778829_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019782

>>9019768
lmao try harder also you're embarrassing

>> No.9019784

>>9019782
see
>>9019778
Stay gay, faggot.

>> No.9019785 [DELETED] 
File: 498 KB, 255x235, christian-bale-laugh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019785

>>9019755
>5'9

>> No.9019792
File: 90 KB, 275x729, 1359438928812.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019792

>>9019784
this thread is already dead because you're going to keep trolling and we're going to keep posting reaction images laughing at you being silly and/or autistic.

>> No.9019794

Why not try to be both?
Lift hard and dress nice = better pussy game

>> No.9019797

>>9019755
>this manlet has to dedicate his pathetic life to lifting pieces of metal up and down to achieve the same thing i got from drinking milk as a child

>> No.9019803
File: 35 KB, 700x700, 1402707257987.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019803

>>9019792
>we're
He thinks he's on a team. Good one, queer.

>> No.9019804

>>9019797
lmao shut it trunks youre a fucking gimpy, twinky motherfucker too, you ninny

>> No.9019806

So what's it feel like to know that you're weak-willed enough to hop on tren without building a natty base, and still look small as fuck?

People like you are what's wrong with this industry today. Insecure faggots without the self-discipline to build a base, hopping on goddamn tren and seeking a sense of attention and compliments by posting pictures of their physique on 4chan.

I hope you get a heart attack from high blood pressure.

You are checking your BP on tren, right?

>> No.9019808

Are you saying you are doing nothing with your life other than girls?
and that this is the only and best way to live life?
Like, there is literally no reason to do anything if there isn't a chance it will impress a random slut to come home with you?

>> No.9019814

So I'm going to take it from all these angry answers from bitter losers that the answer is, no, none of you have gotten any sort of ass from this autistic /fa/ bullshit.

Thanks. Peace out, freaks.

>> No.9019815
File: 1.49 MB, 300x300, 1389206548237.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019815

>>9019803
lol why you gotta be a dick?
like.. why?

>> No.9019816

>>9019768

but women don't care about clothes lmao
you'd probably get more pussy just wearing shit from the mall.

>> No.9019818 [DELETED] 
File: 518 KB, 1280x964, 1407597387894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019818

>5'9

>> No.9019824 [DELETED] 
File: 980 KB, 1018x1522, 1407571607880.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019824

>>9019818
hes 5 fooken 9

>> No.9019826

>>9019814

i made sure i had a 9/10 asian qt locked in before i started dressing full /fa/
you don't dress like an autist to impress girls, you do it for yourself. she'd leave me for looking like a weird space goth but she's too emotionally invested now

>> No.9019829 [DELETED] 
File: 278 KB, 800x600, 1403217412227.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019829

>>9019824
>hes 5'9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.9019834 [DELETED] 
File: 60 KB, 649x548, his eyes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019834

>>9019829
YOU MUST BE THIS TALL TO POST SORRY BROHEIM I THINK THE MIDGET BOARD IS THAT WAY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
5
FUCKEN
NAAHN

>> No.9019841

Yes.

>> No.9019858 [DELETED] 
File: 99 KB, 1000x688, 1402706489802.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019858

>>9019834
9
9
9
9
9

^
five nines

>> No.9019882

>>9019755
>>>9019211 (OP)
honestly yes. but i was already /o/ with 2 nice sports cars and /fit/ with a body a bit better than ur op pic. having a decent, car, good body, some money and income, then learning how to dress cleanly (not excessive tryhard) polishes it all off. i get compliments on jackets and shoes and shit all the time by chicks which starts off a convo. i think its worth investing some time and money into. (but not excesssively like some of the kids like stance and trunks do on here). fashion as a hobby is pretty pathetic compared to other pursuits
good luck bro

>> No.9019889

>>9019755
>dressing for girls

get out beta faggot
i've been getting laid since middle school

>> No.9019890
File: 2.26 MB, 3140x4710, IMG_16595.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019890

>>9019882
> i think its worth investing some time and money into. (but not excesssively like some of the kids like stance and trunks do on here)
>but not excesssively like some of the kids like stance
>but not excesssively like some of the kids like stance like stance
>like stance
>stance
>money
>excessively
>stance

>> No.9019897

>>9019890
what stance lacks in cashflow he makes up for in free time to sit on here literally 8 hours a day . he's a lot worse than u in that regard because he has nothing at all to show for it

>> No.9019899

Not sure who's invading us /fit/ or /r9k/ but whoever you are please leave you're bringing shame to our board.

>> No.9019907

manlets when will they learn

sage

>> No.9019950
File: 670 KB, 5705x3676, 9a34cd9e-9765-4b3e-bc97-71bfdcd9b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9019950

>>9019768

>> No.9019957

>5'9
I'm so sorry

>> No.9020013

>>9019755 beta faggot

>> No.9020061
File: 38 KB, 480x320, 1348450731251.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020061

I lurked /fa/ for a few years and started dressing a lot better, my friends noticed and made fun of me for caring how I looked.

Some girls would mire from afar but never approach.

I've been lifting for the past year and have put on 10kg and /fit/ is my primary board now.

The respect I get from strangers has tripled, women are much friendlier, my friends ask me for advice on how to lift, people start to subconsciously call you sir and refer to you as a man when they would call you things like champ before. Also I look great in singlets.

Now none of my old clothes fit me. But I'm far happier.

Once I'm done becoming fit I guess I'll get back into expensive clothes and become some kind of super amalgamation of both.

>> No.9020080
File: 31 KB, 572x623, 1409776477722.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020080

>>9019755

>Nothing in life has contributed more to my dick nosediving into vaginas than lifting

You actually lift?

>> No.9020385

>>9020061
You're gonna make it brah, I wanna believe.

>> No.9020398
File: 15 KB, 516x344, PLJBD4J[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020398

>> No.9020400

>>9020061
Were you skinny before and as you gained weight you looked more manly?

I am trying to lift but I don't get much muscle and get more fat build up if I eat too much

>> No.9020410

>>9019755
you look like you're 5'2"

>> No.9020413

>>9019808
>>9019816

These. You should rethink you're priorities if this isn't b8.

Nice build though

>> No.9020416

/fa/ is the most retarded board ever.

you can almost wear anything as long as you lift and still look good. you started worshipping some basic bitch in WAYWT threads, saying "omg best fit i've ever seen."
that's because he isn't a skeleton, that's all.

tl;dr start lifting

>> No.9020433

>>9019755
>dressing to get laid
>making any significant changes in your life with the sole purpose of getting laid
Eugh, disgusting. Getting laid should be a byproduct of the things that you do, not the goal.

As far as the byproduct, yeah dressing well definitely helps, no shit. In my experience, more so than working out (stopped lifting a while ago cos I injured myself but I kinda never enjoyed it) cos lifting turns you into a jerk, while girls like talking to guys who understand their clothes and whatnot.

If you wanna fuck hoes though? Keep lifting, wear V-necks and tight chinos. You'll get all the hoes you want. But you run the risk of only getting hoes/gonorrhea.


Bit of bad news though OP, the one thing that's probably most kept me getting girls is my height. I've gone through a lot of phases body and fashion wise (covered fat, buff and skelly mode in ten years) but the one constant that kept girls interested in me was that I was taller than... 5'9". And that is sadly something you will never be able to lift or dress your way away from. I suggest you get very good at telling jokes.

>> No.9020435

>>9020416
>you can almost wear anything as long as you lift and still look good.

and you can lift anything you want and take any amount of supplements but youll still be ugly and 5'9

>> No.9020438

>>9020435
So be you, you mean.

Sad life, you remind me of that Sonic autist that got abused by /b/ forgot his name.

>> No.9020441
File: 1.88 MB, 2432x4320, IMG_20140713_130402907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020441

>>9020438
im 6'3, strongest and most attractive poster on this board

feel free to prove me wrong by posting pics of your face and height, u wont tho

>> No.9020449

>>9020441
>that alienshaped head
Ayyyy

>> No.9020452

>>9020441
You live in a dump though. Seriously clean your fucking room, shit is disgusting.

>> No.9020459
File: 2.59 MB, 2432x4320, IMG_20140707_153239894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020459

>>9020449
>>9020452
here we see impotent gooks futile rage

>feel free to prove me wrong by posting pics of your face and height, u wont tho

>> No.9020461

>>9020441
>/fa/'s most attractive poster has shameful hairline
welp

>> No.9020463

>>9019768
>and demonstrate value to women?
If I'm going to demonstrate value to anyone it's going to be to other men. Demonstrating value to men is far more important than demonstrating value to women. If you've got value among men the value among women will come automatically.

Why do you spend money on expensive gainers, protein powders etc? Yes, people who buy Ralph Lauren to show off that they're wearing Ralph Lauren are fucking tools, but genuine quality brands don't show logos, their quality is reason enough for people to buy them.

>> No.9020468 [DELETED] 

>>9020441
Trunks do you really think you're better looking than pigfuck?

>> No.9020472

>>9020461
wow boys! chinky sure has thrown quite the little fit today! but can we blame the little imp? i might be salty too if i was born with greasy yellow skin and a 4 inch penis as well! ha ha ha ha

>> No.9020478

>>9020468
theres no point comparing fellow aryans - we have our hands full lording over the kikes, indians, and other inferior races! ha ha ha ha

>> No.9020488

>>9019755
>Nothing in life has contributed more to my dick nosediving into vaginas than lifting.
m8, you have no chest, no arms, no lats, no shoulders

lifting looks like it has contributed nothing "for you"

>> No.9020519

>>9019755
>lifting for women
you already lost

>> No.9020536
File: 15 KB, 350x214, lold.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020536

>>9019768
not sure if troll
i hope the average person doesnt think like this

>> No.9020541

This thread has convinced me to stop lifting and become a skeleton. I don't want to be thought so pathetic that i'd waste so much time on 'impressing girls' like that's all i care about

>> No.9020550

>lifting for grills

>> No.9020564

>>9019755
pathetic pecs breh

>> No.9020572

>>9019755
it has coupled with my face and personality
fag

>> No.9020576

>>9019766

Same thoughts. Who the fuck does that!? Not like it's legs or anything.

>> No.9020594
File: 13 KB, 500x332, topkek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020594

>>9019785
>>9019818
>>9019824
>>9019829
>>9019834
>>9019858

stay tall /fa/

>> No.9020595

>>9019755
>>9019768
>>9020441
>>9020459
You guys are embarassing
kill selves

>> No.9020599

sad cunts itt

>> No.9020600

I'm fat and I get laid. I don't see the big deal in getting laid. Anybody with a dick can get laid. It's not hard work.

>> No.9020602
File: 324 KB, 585x575, 1414622713026.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020602

>lifting for girls
>dressing for girls

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.9020608

i don't dress to "get laid" but i am far from a virgin

>> No.9020610

>>9019755

/fa/ is the icing on the /fit/ cake. It's about projecting that you have your shit together beyond being just a meathead. Wear clothes that fit, have a good haircut, wear decent shoes.

/fa/ pretends that dressing well is about artistic expression but in reality it's just nerds buying expensive clothes to try and keep up their self-image as special and unique snowflakes.

/fit/ sucks, but at least it got me in shape. OTOH /fa/ is truly a shithole that's even worse then the le-reddit for its intended purpose.

>> No.9020611

>>9020608
Wow dude good for you, thanks for stopping by Mr Trip and talking about this leaving a very cool post.

You don't dress to get laid, BUT, you are far from a virgin.
That's really interesting törley can you tell us a little bit more please? I am very concerned about all trips on this board.

>> No.9020616

>>9020611
cool overreacting

>> No.9020619

>>9020616
I just think it's incredible how you felt the need to just drop in and say that.

I don't dress to get laid, BUT, I am far from a virgin.
You guys. I don't dress to get laid, okay? But, guess what?
I'm far from a virgin. Hehe.

>> No.9020623

>>9020441
>>9020459
>>9020595
i don't understand this i thought trunks was a cool guy

>> No.9020636

>>9020619
>>9020619
i don't understand what you're angry about but ok

the thread asked if i have ever gotten laid by being "/fa/" and caring about how i dress has always been such a cemented part of my personality even since before i discovered 4chan or /fa/ for that matter (or even before 4chan existed) so dressing "to get laid" has never been my goal

is that better?

>> No.9020644

>>9019755
post pics of hoes you fucked
people who brag about numbers going up usually bang fat ugly sluts

If you would actually enjoy sex with a hot girl you wouldn't brag

>> No.9020645

before being /fa/ i was /fit/
and at the end of the day im still virgin
(hookers dont count obviously)

>> No.9020650

>>9020441
If that bod is the strongest here, I don't even want to see everybody else.

>> No.9020652
File: 13 KB, 223x214, earthh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020652

>>9020619
>yfw torley just got rekt

>> No.9020655
File: 18 KB, 500x326, Eluvium.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020655

>>9019768
>demonstrate value to women

HAHAHAHAHA Jesus Christ you are such a beta fuck

>> No.9020660

>>9020652
I don't see how he got rekt tbh

>> No.9020682

>>9020644
Lel, that is actually true.

>>9019755 You're a manlet OP. Just lifting with zero personality will never get you laid, unless you fuck fatties, and especially if you're a manlet.

>mfw all the /fa/ kiddies taking the b8 ITT

>> No.9020687

>>9019768
ruh roh

>> No.9020693

>>9020636
Wow... :)

>> No.9020702

>>9020400
Yeah I got more manly, I guess you aren't lifting right if you just get fat.

Gaining muscle is a long process just bulk right and eat a lot of fucking protein, counting calories helps on myfitnesspal.

Lift heavy, eat big.

>> No.9020711

>>9020463
I buy Ralph Lauren but I think it's actually better than the brands that have big logos instead of the small polo guy on the shirt

RL is still tasteful unless it has the big polo guy

>> No.9020739

>>9019755
Has /fa/ helped me get laid? Not even a little bit. It's helped me to dress better though. Honestly, a lot of the advice here will work against you if you are trying to get laid.

Obviously working out and getting a better body will help you get laid, and I've noticed better results right away. Maybe it's just the increase in testosterone projecting through my movements, but i've barely gained any mass and still have noticeably more interest from girls.

Another thing is my hair looks TERRIBLE. It is absolutely unmanageable since I had to get it cut. Before I had that popular cut that swoops over the forehead. It was like this pic, but sloppier: tinyurl DOT COMR / lvnuzeh

Sometimes I would get compliments on my hair, and now people straight up make fun of it.yet, I notice so many more girls attracted to me. Maybe my shorter cut just comes off as more masculine, OR makes me seem more approachable (i have been told I look like a model often).

Plus, reading a ton of stuff about "game" (NOT necessarily PUA) has helped me to project a more attractive persona, and seem more confident around girls. I soaked in a lot of that stuff and eventually it sorted itself out in my head so it's very clear. There are small things you can do to get girls to notice you and build her attraction subtly.

All of these things happened somewhat slowly over 18 months, but now I am on another level with girls. I can see their attraction all around me, and it's making me feel very confident, which has improved many other aspects of my life.

Without sounding like some shitty PUA, if you act more masculine you will get girls and people will also treat you better. You will raise into a different group, and even though you may catch hate from the lame guys you somehow ended up above, you will also see why they are wrong.

I still make mistakes with girls, but I truly did just reach a new level over the past few weeks, out of the blue.

>> No.9020741

>>9020061
>I look great in singlets.
Nobody looks great in singlets.

>> No.9020751

>>9020741
Especially if they're skinny dyel fuccbois.

>> No.9020752

>>9020441
rofl

nice 1plate bench faggot

>> No.9020757
File: 545 KB, 700x583, 1348308314936.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020757

>>9020459
Eat more faggot.

>>9020752
>You can only see his arms
>Implying bench builds arms
>Implying bench builds anything
>Implying bench isn't complete shit for everything

>> No.9020782

>>9020757
>>Implying bench builds anything

These are the people that post on the internet sometimes

>> No.9020787

>>9020757
>bench is complete shit for developing a strong chest

>> No.9020827
File: 14 KB, 184x193, yeslay.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9020827

>>9020623
>trunks
>cool guy
shiggy

>> No.9020848

fix your chest ASAP

>> No.9020892

>tfw I've been lifting for about a year (on and off) and have a respectable body now (massive fucking traps yo) and I still am a 21 y/o virgin
That's why I've been trying to get some effay fits.

>> No.9020915

>>9020892
Let me ask you an honest question:
What ELSE are you doing to better your chances with women besides posting on 4chan?

>get /fit/
still no gf
>ok i'll get /fa/
STILL no gf
>hmm ok i guess... umm

>> No.9020916

>>9019768
dennis reynolds pls go

>> No.9020928

>mfw i lifted for girls once
>mfw i gained like 30 solid lbs of muscle before i realized that lifting for girls is fucking dumb and i dont particularly enjoy doing this for myself
>stop lifting entirely
>back to skelly mode
>dress in /fa/ clothes now because i actually enjoy it and it involves far less effort than lifting

its aite

>> No.9020929

>>9019755
work out more your pecs

I'm a /fit/ and /fa/

Yes, it works like magic. Being strong with good looking clothes made the girls love me

>> No.9020936

>yfw you realize the only reason you detest lifting and getting fit over dressing in clothes is because youre all lazy fucks who arent disciplined enough to stick to a routine or a regimen, and would rather just spend 1000s on clothing as it provides immediate satisfaction and gratification that fades fast as fuck

why do you faggots think youre all stuck in vicious cycles of endlessly buying clothes you dont need?

needing instant gratification in order to do anything because you cant tolerate periods where you arent actively being rewarded for doing something is honestly pathetic. youre like the people who cant play games if they dont have achievements in them

>> No.9020938

>>9019768
>2014
>dressing for other people
>not knowing what luxury is

>> No.9020939

>>9020751
>2KXIV
>still thinking that calling ¨skinny dyel fuccbois¨ is something bad..

Go die fatty.

>> No.9020945

>>9020936
Lifting is slow as fuck though and you have to put a lot of effort into it to see small gains over time. Buying clothes gives an instant change if you know how to do it right but it also fades like you said. And there is only so much you can do. I mean how many fucking outfits do you need?

I sometimes go overboard looking for more clothes and shoes to buy but I think both are needed to get girls. Also social skills which a lot of 4chan lacks. It seems like a lot of effort to get a decent gf these days

>> No.9020959

>>9020945
You do not need social skills to get girls.
You just need to truly and fully understand why "mystery" is appealing to girls.

I'll give you a hint: if you hear the word "mystery" and think "PUA" you are doing it wrong.

I have absolute shit social skills and have probably fucked more girls than the average 25 year old. Of course, I was never one of those super frustrated guys who couldnt get laid. But when I learned WHY girls liked me, despite me social weaknesses I've been a pro ever since.

>> No.9020968

All you gotta do to get bitches is be funnier than everyone else in the room and engage them but leave them wanting more.

>> No.9020969

>>9020441
every day people eat the bait

u r my role model trunkz

>> No.9020973

>>9020959
Are you good looking? I think most girls like a guy because he's either good looking or confident or has social status or money. Otherwise it's just that you are their type, which can happen rarely or often depending on what kind of guy you are

Some guys seem to have broad appeal while others only appeal to a niche set of girls

Also I think you're wrong about not requiring social skills to get laid. It's probably one of the biggest things besides looks I think in getting girls

>> No.9020974

>>9020936
>yfw you realize the only reason you detest fashion and dressing well over lifting is because you're all tasteless beta childmen who are afraid of trying something new and make a style for themselves, changing to a healthier simplistic lifestyle, and would rather just spend all the day long in a room filled with stinky roided manlets pushing and pulling weights as it provides a sense of superiority, even thought you still dress and act like highschool freshmen, that are so insecure, they prefers shitposting in a Taiwanese toys imageboard.

>> No.9020985

>>9020973
OK yes, girls say I am good looking, and I have LEARNED social skills specifically related to getting girls, but it isn't the same as having social skills, if that makes sense.

>> No.9020987

>>9020985
Basically what i'm saying is I am good getting girls, but really bad socially with all other things.
When a situation requires social skills AND a girl, i'll usually just play an asshole and hope I don't get in a fight.

>> No.9021009

>>9019755
you know you're supposed to exercise your chest too right?

>> No.9021052
File: 16 KB, 320x240, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021052

>>9020459

Here you go, kid.

>> No.9021064

>>9019768
>why do you go through the effort to buy expensive stuff

Because I can and because Im worth it, babe.

>> No.9021077

Ya it has but I suspect I'll have to find a new schtick once I leave my liberal arts college. Unless I move to NYC or Seattle or something

>> No.9021136
File: 3.49 MB, 4608x3072, DSC_0911.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021136

>>9020441
I'm sorry trunks I can't hear you over the rattling of those skelly bones.

>> No.9021208

>>9020400
Gaining a bit if fat will happen when bulking, just keep at it and lift heavy

>> No.9021260
File: 717 KB, 2115x727, doievenlift.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021260

Trick question, OP. I was /fit/ way before I was /fa/. I am actually not /fa/. I just browse the board for ideas, but I don't really like the styles posted here. I could say I am stylish though.

I get laid mostly due to my body and frame. I get compliments on clothes as well, but it's mostly because slim fit clothes and tailored trench coats/suits actually look good on tall, tapered frame. (6'2'' here)

Pic very related.

>> No.9021276

>>9019755
what if you are both /fa/ and /fit/?

>> No.9021282

>>9021136
dyel?

>> No.9021287

>>9021260
>I am actually not /fa/
then why are you here? ideas? face it, you will never be /fa/ with that retarded body. Just stick to wearing polos and tanktops like the rest the homos on /fit/

>> No.9021289 [DELETED] 

>>9021260
fucken manlet

>> No.9021298

>>9021282
nah.

>> No.9021308

>>9021136
best poster in thread
love u red

>> No.9021309

>>9021287
>then why are you here?
To bookmark some Common Projects shoes and other footwear and also watch threads.

Whenever I go to WAYWT threads I realise you look like clowns and kids.

>you will never be /fa/ with that retarded body
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA

>Just stick to wearing polos and tanktops
In summer I do actually wear tanktops. Look great.

>like the rest the homos on /fit/
Stay mad

>> No.9021311

>>9021260
>>9021287

ignore him bruh you have the right mindset

>> No.9021313

>>9021276
You cannot be /fit/ and /fa/
the ideal /fa/ body is a skeleton/ottermode if your body looks anything like the OP or >>9021260
then you should just give up.

>> No.9021320

/fit/ please go

we don't take kindly to your kind around here

>> No.9021325

>>9021313
So wrong.

/fa/ggots just want more reasons to not work out and continue living in their pale, weak Asian (yes I know most of you are) frames.

>> No.9021330

>>9020433
>tips fedora

>> No.9021332

>>9021325
prove me wrong then

post someone that is both /fit/ and /fa/

protip: you won't

>> No.9021337

I want someone to love entirely, not one night stands.

>> No.9021344
File: 60 KB, 634x423, gandy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021344

>>9021332
But I will. You know that Gandy is not a twig, he has nice body and clearly works out.

Any made to measure, bespoke suit will look stylish on a fitness model/athlete. The key here is that everything has to fit perfectly.

Strong men will not look stylish, but those with love body fat and large muscle mass can (aka Zyzz)

>> No.9021353
File: 50 KB, 610x400, frank-yang-interview-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021353

Here is Frank Yang, pro bodybuilder. He is even Asian, so it should resonate with you guys. Clearly stylish. He would look better than you guys in Rick Owens as well.

>> No.9021357

>>9021313

this is BAIT

>> No.9021358

>>9021353
>clearly stylish
>pink camo
>he thinks rick owens is effay

ex/fit/ here. Im laughing at you

>> No.9021361
File: 37 KB, 480x360, tombrady.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021361

Tom Brady is quarterback, so pretty much big athlete physique

>> No.9021365

Anyone else ship trunks and pigfuck?

>> No.9021366

i just like wearing cool clothes

>> No.9021369

>>9021358
You can laugh all you want, but that's the shit you post here all day.
>hurr muh owens
>hurr muh Raf Simons
>guise, am I clown tier yet?
>muh stylezeitgeist
>durr so edgy

>>9021357
>Doesn't agree
>Bait
grow up

All of the guys posted would look better in your clothes than you, deal with it.

>> No.9021380

>>9021369

>Doesn't agree
>Bait
>grow up

>All of the guys posted would look better in your clothes than you, deal with it.

why are you contradicting yourself. I disagree, you can be fit and fa, being /fit/ is /fa/. i agree that a musculare person would look better in my clothes than me, but you seem to be arguing that they won't?

>> No.9021390
File: 422 KB, 1080x1920, 1414337795298.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021390

>>9021369
You obviously know nothing about /fa/ if you think people talk about tricky ricky in a legitimate fashion

>> No.9021391 [DELETED] 
File: 148 KB, 890x814, leftright.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021391

I guess I'm neither /fa/ nor /fit/

>> No.9021394
File: 41 KB, 338x450, 1408319003410.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021394

>>9021344
hahaha i said to post someone who is both /fit/ and /fa/ not some dadcore faggot. i mean. all that guy needs is a fedora to complete his look

way to prove me right bruh

I know of a site that might be up your alley reddit /mfa/ you should check it out

>>9021353
this is fuckng terrible

>>9021357
still waiting for pics of someone who is /fit/ and /fa/

in the meantime, i'll be dumping actual /fa/ bodies

>> No.9021395
File: 730 KB, 250x188, 1369170675610.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021395

>>9021369
You must be really new to this board, must people dressing owens are teens, I used to lift when I was in my late teens and didnt give a fuck about fashion because "Dam Anon you look huge", then I started working and lost all the time I had for gym, all that strict diet that I followed religiously was replaced with quick meals, sandwiches and a soup. Unless you are planning on being a bodybuilder it doesnt matter if you have a lot of muscle or not in the real world, the same with fashion as well.
Develop your own taste and personality arguing about this kind of stuff on a friday afternoon on a japanese based imageboard is pointless. Good luck in life man.

>> No.9021400

What is a solid calisthenics workout to getting a better body?

The closest gym is like 25 minutes away, and is a pain in the ass to get to with college and work. I've been adding things onto bodyweight training, but I'm not sure what solid routine I should be shooting for

>> No.9021403

>>9021391
work pecs and throw that shirt away

>> No.9021404

>>9021394
>dadcore
Yeah, bro, "dadcore" actually gets you laid with legitimate, hot women. Or "douchebag" core. The guys get the hottest chicks.

Your evaluation of what is /fa/ differs.

>>9021394
That body might be /fa/, but it's not attractive to hot women. And if it's not attractive to hot women, it's pretty much useless.

Next time you see a man ask a simple question "Would he survive in a prison or would he become a bitch?"

You can tell this just by looking.

If he would, then he is attractive to women.

If not, then he is not attractive like these fags:
>>9021391
>>9021136

>> No.9021407

>>9019755
I don't frequent effay to get laid. I just come for help deciding what to buy. And discussion is a good time waster. Its a chill board

>> No.9021410

>>9021391
Niceu body desu ne

>> No.9021414

>>9021400
YEs, it would, but you would not handle a solid calisthenics workout

>> No.9021422
File: 45 KB, 512x341, nightclub in america.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021422

This is low quality trolling. I really hope there is like one or two people from /fit/ samefagging all these responses, and not actual replies from /fa/

>> No.9021428

>>9021422
>doesn't agree
>trolling
lol idiot

>> No.9021432
File: 21 KB, 130x184, 1406314469319.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021432

>>9021404
> legitimate,hot women
>hottest chicks
>attractive to hot women
>attractive to women

The fact that you let women virtually control your life and judge the quality of life by how many skanks you stick your 2 inch punisher in is hilarious

>> No.9021437
File: 1.74 MB, 300x161, retard.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021437

>>9019768
jesus christ end yourself

>> No.9021443

>>9021432
>tips fedora

>> No.9021446
File: 64 KB, 637x445, 1413373687027.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021446

>>9021404
even your own kind disagrees

>And if it's not attractive to hot women, it's pretty much useless.
can't tell if bait or just plain autism

>> No.9021448

>>9019768
>ya mang i just want dat poon man y kno what im sayyiiiin

you're such a loser

>> No.9021449

>>9021414
>Yes it would
wut

I know I am not at a level of planches and one armed pullups, but I'm interested regardless. Seems like the best way to be in control over your body

>> No.9021459
File: 83 KB, 500x356, 1384212328992.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021459

>>9021404
>If not, then he is not attractive like these fags: >>9021136 (You)

>> No.9021464
File: 22 KB, 390x470, 879873.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021464

lol at /fit/ trying to justify how hard they got trolled into doing SS+GOMAD

enjoy your deformed bodies you manlets.

>> No.9021467

>>9021446
I don't agree to that pic. My gf is a Phd and she gets extremely turned on when I'm naked, saying it's the physique that makes her most excited.

>> No.9021471

>>9021449
Calisthenics is an excellent way to get ottermode body, but it's hard like hell. And it is mostly upper body. You have to do something else for legs

>>9021260
Here. I do some calisthenics and gymnastics, but most mass is just from heavy lifting.

>> No.9021499
File: 69 KB, 630x630, 1407927525472.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021499

>>9021404
I don't care what girls like. I know from my experience that what truly good looking women want is a guy like pic related. Not only have they told me, not only I have experienced it myself, but you only need to take a look in the streets. Tall, cute and thin girls are never going for a walk with their gymfag jacked fiancé. They go with guys like pic related.

Now you can tell me short, cute, thin girls are shit all you want because all you're ever gonna get with a /fit/ body is some generic white trash girl with fake tits/tan and a squat ass. You can go fuck all of them and be the king of the trash.

>> No.9021505

When will they ever learn?

>> No.9021525
File: 109 KB, 590x670, 00212.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021525

>>9021467
I have a PhD in fuck you


>pic is my wife

>> No.9021527

>>9021499
>I know from my experience that what truly good looking women want is a guy like pic related.
1) You don't look like that guy.
2) More women would want him if he was ripped

>Now you can tell me short, cute, thin girls are shit all you want because all you're ever gonna get with a /fit/ body is some generic white trash girl with fake tits/tan and a squat ass.
Not telling you that, because have a cute, thin, pale girl as girlfriend.

Also
>implying bimbo tits and squat ass is disgusting

How are those sour grapes tasting, beta boi?

>> No.9021534

>>9021525
No she isn't your wife. Her pic is on hundreds of sites on Google.

>> No.9021538
File: 82 KB, 680x680, f5753870a40ccef114a6cb88e7f48531.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021538

>>9021525
>dat hairy bush

also not your wife

>> No.9021539

>>9021534
>Implying his wife isn't a slut

>> No.9021540
File: 13 KB, 320x240, x240-VeU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021540

>>9021534
Yeah but I figured that since we're both lying we might as well be obvious about it.

>> No.9021549

>>9021540
I didn't lie about anything in this thread. Why the fuck would I lie on an anonymous message board, as an anonymous user? Lying when your identity is attached makes sense, but why would I lie on some shit thread? It makes no sense.

>> No.9021555

>>9019755

got laid yesterday and im skinnyfat

thanks /fa/

>> No.9021571
File: 215 KB, 524x712, lefugg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021571

>>9021525
>wot

>> No.9021579

>>9021549
because youre an insecure little bitch?

>> No.9021591

>>9021579
But nobody knows who I am, so why would I lie? Think about it. It would make sense if I was a tripfag maybe..

>> No.9021606

>>9021591
its the perfect opportunity to lie, no one knows who you are.

>> No.9021618

>>9021525
Weeping through my twisted form i vomit as i fade to black

>> No.9021912

>>9021309
He's right though dude. You do look great on the /fit/ side of things, but your body is pants-on-head retarded and you will never be stylish with it. Honestly, your best bet is to rock v-necks, polos, chinos (just go full american movie douche-core) and try develop a sweet/funny personality so that you're not only picking up sloots in nightclubs.

>> No.9021920

>>9021330
>implying any of that's fedora in the slightest
nah but good argument though mate

>> No.9021937

I've done both and not gotten laid because I'm an autist lol. I definitely get a LOT more attention from women now though. I 'd say it's about 70% fashion and 30% fitness. Any jock who plays football and eats a lot of red meat can be muscular, but only a very small portion of the male population is well dressed. My body isn't much by /fit/ standards though, I'm barely ottermode.

>> No.9021964
File: 212 KB, 712x1073, A$AP Carrell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021964

>>9019768
I normally don't like the whole "alpha/beta" bullshit, but this may be the single most "beta" thing I've ever heard.

>>9019755
>be honest, has any of this /fa/ bullshit gotten any of you guys laid?
I don't know, I've never been told, "anon, I slept with you because I think you dress well." I have been told that I dress well by qts, but I don't think that's a defining factor. But do you legitimately believe /fa/ dresses for women? Try again, m8.


Also
>saying you're not a "manlet"
>5'9"
I don't get it, are you trying to say you're 'not' a manlet, or that you've already accepted it? 5'9" is still pretty damn short, OP.

>> No.9021975

>Be honest, has any of this /fa/ bullshit gotten any of you guys laid?
no
>Be honest, has any of this /fit/ bullshit gotten any of you guys laid?
no

;_;

>> No.9021998
File: 76 KB, 600x446, olli-erkkila-forkless-cruiser-bike-concept_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9021998

>>9019776
>>9019778
>>9019782
>>9019950

all these guys getting mad and defensive because you called out their faggotry

the only reason why the clueless retards here dress like hivemind autists is because they hope they will be like the cool pictures they see in tumblr , and girls will finally think they are "cool".

Any smelly little autist can buy himself black skinny jeans or a bucket hat and some hip american sk8er clothing. And then they can have the feeling that they finally fit in with the rest of the normal "popular" people they see being reblogged in tumblr pictures.

You can see this because these people have no actual taste or sense of identity. They just buy the meme clothing that is posted here and changed every couple of months.

Years ago It used to be skinny black jeans and peacoat + hitler youth... then autism shoes like the heart converses. now its even worse. Just look at the latest budding autists meme clothing. Look at the latest trendy adidas stan smiths autism shoes . Or nike roshe or black vans sk8 his. These niggers cant be serious right ? Wrong. The autism is very real.

>> No.9022022

>>9021998
>If I disagree with people then incorrectly use the term "autism," it magically makes me right

>> No.9022043
File: 27 KB, 640x360, MV5BMTM0ODg4ODc1MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjU4MDI2NQ@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022043

>>9022022

lel m8 but its true. This board is to fashion what /mu/ is to music. absolute cluelessness.

The posters here envision themselves as pic related.. a cool and apathetical figure, smoking cigarettes at a shady corner, and not caring. They see images like this and peoples fits and they like what it symbolises and the fact these people get attention from females and other men. So then like actual retards, they try to copy these people.

What they dont realise is, these people are naturally handsome, model-tier facial aesthetics. Tall, good looking , rich, or famous.

You going to your uni lectures or buying groceries from asda in your stan smiths and other meme clothing , looks as bad as trenchcoat fedoras. No , infact.. it looks worse.

Your unaesthetic, ugly baby faces, poor posture, and lack of any personality or attractive qualities, wont change just because you bought yourself a clown shoe , leopart print supreme snapback or manbun. deal with it.

>> No.9022064
File: 2.38 MB, 1200x1200, Rick-Owens_railso.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022064

>>9021332
Easy.

It's all about proportions and silhouette and yes a tall slender frame is more conducive to these components but you can still create fits that exhibit good proportions and an interesting silhouette if your frame is muscular, within reason.

>> No.9022117

>>9020433
>cos lifting turns you into a jerk
you mean it turns him into a jerk specifically (that is if he's not trolling)
or do you mean that it turns people into jerks generally
because having observed these communities for a while, there are all kinds of people in them, jerks, nice people, smart people, idiots
just like anything else; fashion, music, painting, sports, whatever

>> No.9022142

>>9021998
>>9022043
pasta tier/10

you have no idea how ridiculous you sound, do you?

>> No.9022181

>>9022142
>>9021998

its not pasta. Thanks though for confirming its true with your "omg u sound ridicilous" comebacks

>> No.9022330

>>9021998
>>9022043
Perfectly said. And the worst thing is, majority of /fa/ are:
1) Manlets;
2) Asians;
3) Twinks.

Don't believe me? Go to any WAYWT thread.

>> No.9022336

Just remember, whenever you heard
>HA HA /fit/ are gay douches
>Muscles are stupid, girls like skinny dudes

It's coming from something like pic related.

lol, such a joke. How the fuck can you expect people to take you seriously when you look like that fa/

>> No.9022343
File: 274 KB, 640x1136, lol fa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022343

>>9022336
Sorry, forgot the pic of the faggot

LOL, whenever I realise THIS is basically who is criticising me, I just lol.

Virgins 4 life.

>> No.9022361

>>9022117
I meant it generally. Obviously not everyone who starts lifting changes, but just about everyone that I've ever met became slightly more of a douche after starting to go to the gym. Myself included. If you need proof, go to /fit/, i can't even go there any more cos of how insecure and wanky everyone is.

>> No.9022368

>>9019755
i never get when people say lifting got them laid. i used to rock climb, lift and run on a daily basis. i was ripped as fuark and i never got laid.

i think people don't realize what gets them laid is the confidence boost. i never had that since i started out very early and i was used to looking that way when i started to think about grils and stuff.

>>9019771
i think the implication was that OP is a faggot

>> No.9022374

>>9022064
that's skinnyfat tho

this is coming from a /fit/izen btw

>> No.9022375

>>9021325
>Asian (yes I know most of you are) frames
Why do people seem to think most of this board are Asian?

>> No.9022378

>>9022374
whatttt. the guy has fucking dents in his arms.

>> No.9022380

>>9020936
>implying
this is so fundamentally incorrect. I used to lift hard and followed a strict regimen, then I realised that I hated it so I stopped. Then I started ddressing better and I feel a thousand times happier than when I was an insecure gymfreak

Also protip: you don't have to spend thousands on clothes to look better than you do now, because you probably look like shit now. Lrn2thrift and shop sales, I've spent less than 400 bucks (nz money) this year and completely restocked my wardrobe

>> No.9022381

>>9022374
no hes not

>> No.9022382

>>9020441
THANK YOU HUNGRY SKELETON

>> No.9022386

>>9022361
Yeah I guess but I don't know if /fit/ is proof because it's literally just a small fraction of people that lift.

>> No.9022392

>>9022382
underrated post

>> No.9022407

>>9021937
Wouldn't it be easier to become fa than fit? Fit requires a long time and effort while being fa requires research and some time and money. Mainly being fa is hard because of money, otherwise people would buy whatever and see what works for them

>> No.9022443

>>9022386
I was at the gym long before I was on 4chan though, and I definitely saw it in 90% of guys who worked out. Like I said, even I'm not exempt from it.

>>9022407
Compare the number of well-dressed guys you see to the number of fit guys you see. Way more fit guys, and there's a good reason for it. Learning to dress well is a relatively long process filled with trial and error, no matter how naturally effay you are. You're going to fail and have to ask yourself "ok, what did I do wrong?" and develop from there. Also, it can't be taught. It's nigh impossible to explain to someone how to dress well, cos it's a state of mind, not a set of rules.

Meanwhile, to start working out and seeing results, you just have to show up at a gym and pick up some things and then put them down. You can Google good routines. The closest to trial and error is figuring out which exercises suit you the most, but they all still WORK.


On that side of things, it's a lot easier to get fit. The idea that you can "buy" fashion sense is a common misconception. It'd be like if you could do steroids and not work out but still get big. Also, getting better style usually happens in sudden bursts of inspiration. Getting stronk is a gradual process without any sudden spurts, so it looks "slower" even though the total time is the same.

There you go, explanation done

>> No.9022459

>>9020441
m8 why do you have shoes on ur wall

fucking lol

>> No.9022502
File: 1.95 MB, 400x225, 1336257831748.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022502

>>9020787
>>9020782
>Fuccbois think that flat bench is a good chest exercise

Let me list best chest exercises in descending order.

>Weighted Dips
>Dips
>Chest flys
>Incline bench
>Push up variations

Tell me more about your 1p8 though.

>> No.9022504

>>9022343
he will be more fa than you will ever be

>> No.9022507

>>9022443
Post a fit or shut up, "fashionable" boy.

>> No.9022510

>>9022504
lol...

>> No.9022514
File: 95 KB, 234x756, my fit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022514

fit guys are big and dumb they will never be fashionable. I bet they are all homos

>> No.9022517

>>9022443
>Way more fit guys, and there's a good reason for it
I think the reason isn't because it's easier to be fit. I think the reason is more guys want to be fit so they hit the gym because they think that's what will get them chicks. Most guys don't care about fashion like women do. I think if guys thought fashion would get them chicks, which some guys do, then they would be trying to be more fa. Look at all the guys with manbuns and skinnyfit jeans and hipster shirts. Those guys are trying to be fa

There are still way more fit guys because depending on where you live, they gym culture is huge because of chicks

>> No.9022520
File: 2.72 MB, 2127x2972, waywt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022520

Girls would rather prefer a sensitive, thin, nice guy like me than those robust apes from /fit/.

Guys, check out my morning selfie tee hee

>> No.9022521

>>9021394
>tfw skinny-fat
I would kill to have a body like that

>> No.9022522

>>9022507
I'm in a library, doing research on an old British case regarding dogs eating orders of the court. I'm really not in an ideal fit-posting situation

>> No.9022526

>>9022521
He is somehow thin but has broad shoulders and low bodyfat with enough muscle to have visible muscles

The roided bodies that fit worship look much worse and look shit in clothes as well

>> No.9022529
File: 2.74 MB, 3456x5184, fashion is life.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022529

Good luck pulling this off, /fit/.

[ ] NOT TOLD
[X]FUCKING TOLD

>> No.9022537

>>9022529
Dude looks like a straight faggot
Everything from the figure to the pose.

>> No.9022544

>>9022526
Except they actually get laid with hot chicks

>> No.9022546

>>9022517
I doubt that many guys are sad enough to be lifting for pussy/dick. That's probably only like 10% of gymbrahs, if that. And I think that plenty of people know that girls like well-dressed guys, most of those awful Cosmopolitan-type lists of "What women look for in a guy" go:
1. Sense of humour
2. Dressing nicely
3. Everything else

Also as far as I know, most girls are still putting face> body. There's a reason so many pretty boy musicians and actors make it onto posters in teen magazines than big guys. Out of really popular young sex symbols in the last few years, I think only Channing Tatum pulled off being ugly face+buff bod

>> No.9022548

>>9022544
>/fit/
>getting laid

pick one

>> No.9022550

>>9022529
>people will take this bait

>> No.9022551

>getting /fit/ for grills
>getting /fa/ for grills

Confirmed for not gonna make it

>> No.9022554

>>9022537
Shut up, can't appreciate /fa/shion when it's staring you in the face

>> No.9022557

>>9019768
This post should be added to the pantheon of /fa/'s worst, along with baby face r9k guy and people who bought yesstyle

>> No.9022563

>>9022546
>Channing Tatum pulled off being ugly face+buff bod
Channing Tatum has hot not ugly face, you idiot. He makes pussies wet all over the world. Girls prefer to get fucked by guys like Channing Tatum.

/fa/ on general has ugly faces. Weak jaws, weak chins, pencil necks, etc...at least /fit/ looks masculine.

Women prefer this in man looks wise:
1) Nice face
2) Nice physique (height and build)

Then come the clothes.

Women will laugh at an ugly, fat, overly thin or manlet guy trying to overcompensate with brand clothes.

>> No.9022565

>>9022546
I think most guys lift to get girls. A lot say shit like they do it for strength or to be healthier or whatever other reason but most are lying and want to get girls. As for girls saying what kind of guys they like, most of the time they are lying or don't know themselves. Most girls say they want one type of guy but go for other types, which makes it frustrating for men

I do think you're right in that most girls go for face above all else when it comes to looks. Face and height then body type. Most girls probably don't care as much if the guy isn't obese. The better the body the better it is though so it will help no matter what your face is like. Same with clothes I think, no matter what body you have if you have better style then it will help as well.

As for the really big muscular bodies, only young slut type girls like that shit

>> No.9022573

>>9022563
They will also laugh at a guy that overcompensates by having big muscles

>> No.9022576

One of my friends started lifting with some of his other friends who were already dbags. They all take these silly banned substances and act exactly like the posters on /fit/ even though I don't think they browse 4chan. I can't imagine any normal woman being remotely interested in them

>> No.9022578

>>9022573
>They will also laugh at a guy that overcompensates by having big muscles
Except no. They won't. They will get wet, because they see that he is physically stronger than the competition.

Assuming he isn't a manlet. Just look at Zyzz. He was /fit/ as fuck and got laid like mad. This is the reality for fit guys. You don't see the same with /fa/ggots.

>> No.9022580

>>9022576
>I can't imagine any normal woman being remotely interested in them
You sound clueless. If you haven't realised by now, women prefer asshole douchebags than nice guy twinks from /fa/

ALL WOMEN

Cute, shy girl at library, the club slut, the professional, the milf...ALL of them prefer buff, confident jocks.

Kill yourself, fashion plebs!

>> No.9022581

>>9022578
>They will get wet, because they see that he is physically stronger than the competition
I'm not sure if you are being serious or trolling now

What's it the term called where on the internet you don't know if someone is being serious or if it's satire?

>> No.9022586

>>9022581
>I'm not sure if you are being serious or trolling now
I'm serious idiot. Just because you refuse to acknowledge biological urges, does not mean I'm trolling. That's the reality. Women like strong, dominant, men. That's why quarterbacks where top guys in high school.

Deal with it, nerd

>> No.9022590

>>9022580
I really disagree. These guys are unattractive, buff and act like morons. I'm slightly less uattractive, in shape, dress very well and am charming and I pull more than them. If they were actually good looking they might pull more. This leads me to believe clothes > shit muscles

>> No.9022615

To clear the swamp of bullshit info you find on 4chan, charm/personality/charisma gets you laid. Being /fit/ makes up for the gap if you're really aesthetic. (not strongfat or excessively roided) being /fa/shionable also helps a lot, but can easily make you seem gay or self-centered. So being a clever, confident, assertive individual will always land you some pussy. Not, however, if you are a fat piece of trash that wears sweats and crocs.

>> No.9022619

>>9022586
Those guys had status

You're sound like an insecure piece of shit that tries to overcompensate and think you are better than the posters of this board because you spend time picking up and putting down heavy things in your spare time

>> No.9022620

>>9022590
Nobody cares what you say. If you say you pull, post a pic or stop with the bullshit. If they are manlets or have turbo ugly faces, of course they are not going to get laid, but the same guy putting 10/10 in /fa/ will get laid infinitely less in putting 10/10 in looking like Zyzz.

Ripped physique gets pussies wet on a biological level. Cool clothes just indicate that you have sophistication and money. Not pussy wetting, just good for a beta provider role.

There is a reason why most guys on hotchickswithdouchebags.com are ripped or "douche" looking and not sophisticated /fa/shionistas

>> No.9022625

>>9022590
You pull more if you have a more handsome face and aren't a manlet.

If you worked out, not spent money on clothes, you'd pull even more.

>To clear the swamp of bullshit info you find on 4chan, charm/personality/charisma gets you laid.
Not really. Your height, face and frame gets you laid. Best personality won't get some ugly manlet laid

>> No.9022628

>>9022619
They had status, because they were the most athletic. Somehow the cheerleaders want to fuck the football stars and not the cool, fashionable boys, wearing Raf Simons, Dick Owens, Ann D or whatever the shit you wear now.

>> No.9022634

>>9019768
No matter how much you lift you will never get taller.

>> No.9022644

>>9020441
What a ginormous faggot. You live with your parents, work as a waitress and dress like a bald witch.

>> No.9022647
File: 146 KB, 960x639, laughingmacocks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022647

>inb4 manlet (5' 9", suck a dick)

Got bad news for you breh

>> No.9022649

>>9022628
well, this actually depends on where you live
where I live, the chicks are all over expensive clothes
hot/popular chicks always prefer an average/quite ugly guy with an horrible personality but completely dressed in Gucci over a handsome 10/10 tall ripped guy with the best personality ever
maybe this happens because we don't have all the "sport culture" like american high schools/colleges

>> No.9022660

>>9022520
finally saw a picture of what I was thinking of growing my hair into, thanks

>> No.9022675

>>9022649
Where do you live?

>> No.9022679

>>9022520

Is that a turtle neck?

Are you a girl?

W2C bomber and legs smaller than my wrist?

>> No.9022688

>>9022563
>>9022578
>>9022586
>>9022620
This is either 8/10 trolling or some really depressing levels of insecurity

>>9022625
> best personality won't get an ugly manlet laid
I've seen it happen. Maybe not UGLY ugly, but probably just around average which is ugly by /fa/ standards.


I think a lot of 4chan tries to convince themselves and others that personality doesn't matter because their strengths lie elsewhere, but the single most convincing thing to girls and guys who aren't dumb sluts is a good personality. Obviously there's limits to this (I. E. If you're obese or hideous) but as long as you're normal or better, nothing tops being fun to be around.

>> No.9022696

>>9022688
Not insecurity, i have nothing to be insecure about. Just the reality.

>> No.9022707
File: 62 KB, 500x667, mikkel jensen pola.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022707

>>9021313
>You cannot be /fit/ and /fa/

ayy

>> No.9022716

>>9022688
Can confirm this, my friend is a potbellied sweaty bastard and gets fresh pussy weekly at least, Im lucky if I get one a year

>> No.9022719

>>9022707
> not wearing clothes
truly the pinnacle of fashion

>> No.9022726
File: 134 KB, 460x690, 1-LEAD-Mikkel-Jensen-model-acne-jacket.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022726

>>9022719
>implying being /fa/ only depends on the clothes you wear

>> No.9022749

>>9022716
Don't believe him, he is lying, or the women are warpigs

>> No.9022752

People on 4chan are sad. /fit/ = /fa/ = /a/ = /r9k/. All of you are the same. Trash.

>> No.9022755

>>9019755
>everything I do is for putting pussy on a pedestal

>> No.9022763

>>9022752
>>9022755
>tips fedora

>> No.9022765

>>9022726

Dope ass jacket tho

>> No.9022769

>>9022749
Ill admit that some of them are trashy sluts, but he's had a few qts. I don't know how he does it, I literally get compliments all the time yet he always ends up with a girl and I end up with my dick in my hand. Girls here have a thing for trashy/skater looking guys, but the definitive feature must be that he's kinda funny and I tend to be a jerk 80% of the time

>> No.9022873

>>9022675
Italy

>> No.9022886

I take care of myself (skincare, lifting, fits) because I'd be ashamed to go out otherwise, it was embarrassing because I had all the confidence (due to ignorance) in the world before I started dressing well, I dressed like absolute shit. Color schemes etc. were fine but the way all my clothes fit was terrible. Once I realized this I was quickly ashamed to look like shit, and wanted to go out looking good for the sake of a sound mind.
I have had a couple girls say to me:

>"anon! you're always dressed so well!" etc.

I don't think it's my fits that get me laid, it sure helps your image though, and girls look for image.

>> No.9022895

>>9022886
>it was embarrassing because I had all the confidence (due to ignorance) in the world before I started dressing well
This was me as well. Now I look back at some of the stuff I wore and cringe

I was always self conscious though about my body even though I thought I dressed normally. My fits were shit, stuff was way too baggy

>> No.9022940
File: 177 KB, 1280x960, 1413965164167.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9022940

I'm only trying to become effay so that I can look great while suffering. I'd like to get into learning about fashion as a real hobby once I get into

but OP is a faggot, and a disgusting brown manlet

>> No.9022965

http://youtu.be/75aX9mlipiY?t=28s

Do your siq fits get you this kind of attention /fa/?

Saying you don't dress for other people is also a dirty lie to make yourself feel better.

>> No.9022987

if you have to do anything to get girls as in get a better body or get better clothes then youre a fucking virgin that doesnt know anything about life

if it doesnt come naturally to you then youre a tool and no matter how ripped you will get, how many geobaskets you will cop and how many pua threads on /r/tetopkekpill read you will still be a deluded cuntbiscuit

fucking virgins and their bullshit smh

>> No.9023000

>Tfw currently bulking

How the fuck do people do this
I started off today well enough. 4 eggs in an omelette with two thick slices of munster cheese and mushrooms; followed by a large bowl of oatmeat and a cup of cranberries. I think that net me around 1k calories.

But then I go throughout my day, blah blah blah; and here I am, it's 7pm and dinner time and I didn't have lunch. How am I supposed to get 2800 calories??? it's ridiculous :(

>> No.9023008

>>9023000
2800 is quite a lot. are you sure you need that much? I think they eat like heavy shit like pasta and peanut butter and milk

>> No.9023014

>>9023000
>eating 3k calories and not lifting

you have to at least go to the fucking gym. that way you can eat more

>> No.9023016

>>9023008
well I'm six foot and weigh 135 pounds. Online it says I need anywhere between 2400-2800

>>9023014
I don't think I have the fat to gain muscle though. Maybe when I get 145 lbs or so I'll do that.

>> No.9023018

>>9023000

I know. I get about 2500 per day and it was a struggle but my weight has plateaued at 174 and the advice to eat more just makes me want to wretch. I used to only eat one meal a day and barely feel hungry so this is impossible.

>> No.9023019

>>9019755
>Nothing in life has contributed more to my dick nosediving into vaginas than lifting.

A key that can only open shitty locks vs a key that allows you to go where you want.


You chose the shitty locks

>> No.9023020

>>9023016

you don't have a lot of fat to gain muscle

once you start eating more and exercising your body will get used to eating larger amounts of food (metabolism increases and so does your stomach capacity)

make protein shakes or something, those usually have lots of calories in them (maybe add milk to it or something). have two per day plus regular meals

>> No.9023023

>>9022987
>tfw my 5'8 hispanic brother pulls more puss than 15/16ths of 4chan without trying at all

>> No.9023025

>>9023020
huh. then why do some people actually go into "bulk" phases?

>> No.9023029

>>9023025

Your body fat % doesn't have anything to do with you gaining muscle.

Bulking is when you gain muscle mass and by extension some fat as well.

>> No.9023032

>>9023025

thats usually for aesthetics, like bodybuilding. you have a cutting cycle (reduce body fat) and then a bulking cycle (increasing mass). usually bodybuilders will bulk and then cut right before competitions.

theres no reason to bulk unless you are underweight, then when you are gain enough weight in muscle, you can just maintain it, or get bigger if you want.

>> No.9023050

>>9023029
>Bulking is when you gain muscle mass and by extension some fat as well.
I fucking hate /fit/ newfags.

This is only true for people who are at the peak of their game.

Your body isn't stupid, and when you are a DYEL faggot (protip: you are), it will take energy from food, fat and muscle in that order.

You can eat a marginal surplus, gain muscle and lose weight at the same time until you are approaching your genetic potential, after which you must bulk to gain.

>> No.9023061

you guys are all stupid

go ottermode and be fit n effay at same time

>> No.9023066

>>9023061
that's my goal
but I want strength too
what do

>> No.9023072

>>9023050

>Implying you don't gain ANY fat at all when bulking.
>implying everyone's body is the same
>implying a newbie will have his diet down to an exact science

Calm down you fucking autist.

>> No.9023077

>>9023061
This. This is my goal. This thread is fucking stupid. Being /fa/ the way the /fa/ggots on this board define /fa/ will not get you laid. It's fun, and I enjoy it. I haven't tried experimenting with silhouettes much myslelf, but I like looking at fits and appreciate them the way I appreciate art.

What you /fa/ggots call "dadcore" is what gets you laid, because that particular style enhances the "masculine" shape of your natural silhouette. This is also why lifting helps.

It's ok to do both, guys. Once you grow up at get an actual job (assuming that ever happens), you'll realize that you can't wear meme shoes, skinny jeans, and drapey t-shirts and be taken seriously in the real world. Do that shit on the weekend, or at parties. It's fun. But pretend you're better than "dadcore" and you're just deluding yourself.

>> No.9023079

>>9023061
how to ottermode :(

im in need of specific instructions

>> No.9023083

>>9023066
Stick to compound lifts. Don't bother fatiguing your arms and shit.

>> No.9023086

>>9023083
How do I learn how to do those? Any videos? Preferably with dumbbells.

>> No.9023094
File: 36 KB, 590x350, -511973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9023094

>>9023077
you were almost right. Except for the skinny jeans bit, how are they not acceptable in the real world?

If I wasn't poor I'd make some nxt lvl dadcore shit though, Ricky Tricky isn't all sweats and dresses. Also you aren't %100 percent right even though I mostly agree with you. Look at the chink in the pic, he looks like a joke doesn't he? I'm pretty sure he's well respected.

>> No.9023103

>>9023086
If you have access to a gym, you should use a barbell. Get a copy of Starting Strength and read it, it has all the information you need to know.

>> No.9023107

>>9023094
>Except for the skinny jeans bit, how are they not acceptable in the real world?
If you ever see a man over the age of 35 wearing skinny jeans (besides Rick), you'll see what I mean. It just looks weird, like he's trying too hard. Slim fit is where it's at. Skinny is too much.

>Look at the chink in the pic, he looks like a joke doesn't he?
I agree, looks like he's trying too hard. You can definitely do nxtlvl dadcore though. Play around with colors and patterns while leaving the silhouette intact. Just avoid obnoxious designs like the guy in this pic.

>> No.9023120

>>9023107
I was assuming we were talking people in the usual 4chinz demographic, you know 14-30.

>> No.9023125

>>9023086
don't fall for the ss troll, please

>> No.9023127

>>9023120
That's fair. If you're under 30 you'll probably look ok in skinny jeans. But I still think slim fit is better in general, especially in a semi-professional setting.

>> No.9023143
File: 165 KB, 720x720, photo-11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9023143

>>9023127
depends on your definition of skinny too, maybe you are picturing skin tight which isn't what I think when I hear skinny jeans/pants. Pic related is what I visualize

>> No.9023149
File: 86 KB, 500x556, 1414182747382.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9023149

every fucking time
>just get ottermode xd
>but anon, how do i achieve ottermode? do any of you faggots even know?
>just eat less and work out xd
threads about lifting are always shit

>> No.9023154
File: 99 KB, 1200x1200, Skinny-jeans-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9023154

>>9023143
Yeah when I said 'skinny' I was talking about this. The pic you posted is fine.

>> No.9023157

Lol you stupid, insecure dicks.

I come back after a month or two and the first thing I see is insecurity-bait with 280 posts.

Top.

Kek.

>> No.9023161

>>9023077
This board sometimes sucks because it thinks dadcore is bad when in reality those are the clothes a lot of people would look good in. A lot of kids are too young to wear that shit though and so it looks too try hard when they wear it because they are so young

Once they get older and get jobs, it's how they should be dressing. It's hard as fuck to wear crazy shoes and weird ass shirts unless you are young

>> No.9023165

>>9023094
That guy is a billionaire though which is probably why he can be eccentric. Most people if they didn't know him would think he's some crazy person for trying that hard to stand out. But since he is a billionaire he probably doesn't give a fuck and people probably tell him it looks good and his style is nice

>> No.9023168

>>9023125
well what would you recommend

>> No.9023174

>>9023143
w2c all the outerwear in that pic

>> No.9023175

>>9023107
Imagine tamer colors on a similar haircut with palewave or that shit you guys like that looks like pink 90's websites.

Got that futuristic, petty aristocrat look goin on for him and I think he's onto something for sure. Those bangs remind me of the dude from 5th element.

>> No.9023176

>>9023168
if you do starting strength you will become a /fit/ person
ss is for people who want to start lifting things that are heavy and keep on lifting the heaviest things they can
it's not about looking good
you won't look good if you can squat a lot

>> No.9023179

>>9023161
>A lot of kids are too young to wear that shit though and so it looks too try hard when they wear it because they are so young

That's true, didn't consider that. I'm 27 so I'd feel weird wearing most of the shit in WAYWT here. It's funny because, being a 4channer, this board is where I started learning how to dress a year ago. But I find MFA to be a lot more useful now, unless you're really trying to be creative/fashion-forward.

>> No.9023183

>>9023165
Granted, but I'm sure there are many other examples like him out there that don't necessarily have such a elevated position. It also has a lot to do with what industry you are in. Finance,law,engineering are conservative and it would be really hard to pull off nxt lvl/eccentric stuff (even though theres a semi famous laywer where I'm from that dyes her hair in all sorts of crazy colors, think bright blue or radioactive green). If you are in fashion, or entertainment industry you can get away with a lot more shit.

>> No.9023186

>>9022520
Sheeiit u right about dat, q.t.3.14boi
diggin that 90s hair too

>> No.9023193

>>9023176
SS is for beginners. It won't make you look like a fat powerlifter because no fat powerlifter is on SS. Because it's a beginner program. I recommended it because of the focus on compound lifts. SS will make you a little bigger all over, rather than giving you huge arms or traps or what have you.

There's a guy at my gym who squats 3plaet and is ottermode as fuck. That's what I want to be like.

>> No.9023194

>>9023193
stop trying to lure anon into doing ss

nobody fall for this shit

>> No.9023196

>>9023179
shittit is better probably for dadcore shit because most of the people there are probably older and have jobs. 4chan is for younger people wanting to buy $500 sneakers

I like browsing 4chan much more because I hate the redshit site in general with their culture of upvotes and shit. Their guides are much berter and more relevant though I find. I just read all sorts of sites to get an idea of what to wear. I think it's easier to wear dadcore shit than try to be /fa/ because /fa/ requires more for you to be keeping up with trends and pulling weird shit off. dadcore is just stuff people have been doing for decades with an updated style

I am still learning basics and so dadcore is a bit more easy to pick up

>> No.9023198

>>9023176
I care about aesthetics but I also want strength. At the same time I do NOT want to get big at all. Should I balance some kind of routine with cardio and a diet that's not going to make me flesh out too much? I don't know, I'm a complete beginner.

>> No.9023203

>>9023183
I think if you dress too differently to the people around you then you stand out too much. Imagine wearing a suit and tie if you worked some job where people wore t shirts. People wouldn't like you very much

That guy's hair makes it a bit too much. The jacket is out there but he probably would look ok without the hair. It's unusual for men to have dyed hair that are not natural colors. Also young people can get away with more when it comes to /fa/. I also think girls can get away with more too. So young girls can wear almost anything and look hot. Guys after a certain age need to start adopting dadcore stuff otherwise people won't take you seriously

>> No.9023213

>>9023194
What's wrong with SS? I started on SS but stopped because my legs were getting bigger and probably my ass too. My other parts were getting bigger too but I didn't want to focus on my legs and ass, I wanted to look better which is arms and chest

Why do people call SS a troll though?

>> No.9023215

>>9023149
this

>> No.9023219

>>9023198
Don't listen to that faggot. If you don't do SS, do another beginner routine focused on compound lifts. I recommended SS because the book goes into detail about how to do each exercise.

Do not do an aesthetics routine. Those are about getting big. They won't get you to ottermode.

If you want to into ottermode, do SS or a similar program until you're as strong as you want to be, and then go from there. The only reason to do cardio is to keep your heart healthy (which is a good reason). You should definitely be watching your diet. Eat at a surplus of 200 calories until you're reached your strength goals, and then start eating at a deficit to get the muscle defined.

You'll reach ottermode as long as you avoid isolation exercises and don't eat like a dumbass.

>> No.9023224

>>9023213
SS is fine, GOMAD is a troll. But, to be honest, I've seen progress pics of people that started out as skeletons and did GOMAD and they looked pretty good by the end of it.

>> No.9023226

>>9023061
>started to pick up rock climbing and bouldering
>body looks much better and climbing requires strength without the extra mass gained while lifting

Seriously all of you should start rock climbing, you'll get stronger and be lean af

>> No.9023229

>>9023224
whats wrong with GOMAD? Isn't it for people that need to gain weight fast?

>> No.9023231

>>9023196
What I like about dadcore is that it's so classic. Leddit convinced me to buy $350 dress shoes and I don't regret it because they'll always fit me and they'll never go out of style. I would never spend that much money on /fa/ meme sneakers.

>> No.9023238

>>9023231
Classic stuff is worth spending money on while trends fade quickly. Bad thing is suits change all the time. I bought a few suits a few years ago but now they are out of style because they're not slim fit, they're full cut suits. Trousers are baggy and pleated at the front, jackets are way too large

Shoes don't seem to change much though

>> No.9023240

>>9023229
That's what I'm saying, /fit/ uses it as a troll but it actually does work. Obviously it's risky if you're lactose intolerant, but it you're not, you'll put on weight easily.

You just have to be aware of what you're doing to yourself. If you notice that you're getting too fat on GOMAD, which is a definite possibility considering a gallon of milk is like 5000 calories, then you should cut back.

>> No.9023242

>>9023219
Hey, if SS will get me to ottermode and a respectable level of strength as well as teach me the techniques to get there, I'm all for it. I just don't want an ass fatter than that of a Brazilian transsexual prostitute, ya dig?

>> No.9023246

>>9023240
Is it really 5k calories? I started doing GOMAD but couldn't drink it all and so I did like half of that and I was gaining weight but then realised it was giving me a bigger gut so I had to slow down

>> No.9023252

>>9023246
>Is it really 5k calories?

Pretty sure that's what Rippletits says in teh book

>> No.9023256
File: 49 KB, 596x896, 066-077_rick-owens1-596x896.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9023256

>being into rick
>not lifting

shameful

>> No.9023261

>>9023238
Yeah, hopefully the slim fit suit trend will last for a decent amount of time. I actually have to buy a suit in the next couple of weeks and I'd like to be able to wear it longer than a few years.

>> No.9023267

>>9023261
I have found asos suits to be cheap enough to buy and not give a fuck about. Their cuts are slim too

>> No.9023272

>>9023267
Cool, I'll check that out. I've been looking at J.Crew Factory myself, I heard they're having a sale on Veteran's Day

>> No.9023277

>auto sage limit reached
Let this shit bait thread die

>> No.9023301

>>9021499
"Truly" good looking women do not have a hive mind. They may have tendencies, but categorizing somebody like that strips them of individuality and personal taste, which is all what the big game is about: the person to person shit. It's basically boiling down the complexity of the human condition in order to better argue how to snag girls on the internet. The most relevant situation might be hookup bars but you'd still have to ignore a lot of details to push that.

And while I'm picking at you, using an anecdotal example to justify a much larger claim doesn't really work out very well. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out why.

You guys are all looking at it wrong. You're looking for fix all solutions. There is no look that's 100% gonna make bitches wet. Just go for self improvement and make it the kind of self improvement you wanna do, because no one way is sure-fire. If you wanna focus on clothes and don't give a shit about being ripped? Fine, but it's stupid as fuck to argue on the internet which form of self betterment is better. Kinda misses the point because dressing up and getting fit are both positive.


>>9021606
While it is the perfect opportunity to lie as there are no repercussions, the lies you make here are still amongst the most pointless that you are capable of.

>> No.9023465

>>9019781
It's 4chan, mate.
That's the general atmosphere.
If I had to pick a board, /fit/ would be the most likely to be full of big dick alpha.

>> No.9023472

>>9019755
topless pictures at the gym

edgy much?

>> No.9023546

>>9023196
>using guides
uh oh

There's a strong chance that you look like shit

>> No.9023555

ITT: Crossposters make their presence horribly obvious by being cringe and giving awful advice

Lurk more ffs, i don't go to your board and tell you what to do after less than 6 months there

>> No.9023580

>>9023546
Guides actually give basic ideas

>> No.9023738

>>9022965
/thread

>> No.9023741

>>9022987
It's not about getting girls, it's about getting high quality girls. Anyone can get laid. Getting laid with anything worthwhile is another question. You have to raise your sexual market place value for that, be it via clothes, money, cars, or anything else

>> No.9023745

>>9023019
>You chose the shitty locks
Careful, your sour grapes is showing

>> No.9023750

>>9023077
Well said, hopefully these virgins understand one day.

If you don't want to look "dadcore" just buy sim fit Tom Ford suits, not your regular fit mall shit tier.

>> No.9023751

>>9023094
> Look at the chink in the pic, he looks like a joke doesn't he?
He doesn't look fashionable either. He looks like a clown. I think he is respected, because he is a billionaire though. But an outlier.

>> No.9023991

holy fuark, i need to cut and get back on the calisthenics. Had 3 weeks of pretty shitty eating now.