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Fall inspo, especially on the rugged side.

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here

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>>8732806

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>>8732817

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Good pics so far.

>> No.8732827

>>8732806
model looks like rhett

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>>8732817
w2c logs?

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>>8732823

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>>8732838

>> No.8732844

>you are now aware that trying to pull off this rugged look on your skinny teenager bodies, without any hair on your face, will end up looking like ABSOLUTE shit and not even acceptable by mfa standards

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>> No.8732850

>>8732844

>implying every poster on this board is a pale androgynous beta like you

>> No.8732852

>>8732844
>skinny teenager bodies
>17" arms 8%
pick one you skinnyfat pleb
besides that, most fits itt are a shit

>> No.8732853

>>8732844
>tfw 24, naturally rugged look, beard finally filled in nicely after 2-3 years of growth (but keeping it 'trimmed' and not out of control)

Feels great, I love Fall now. Also, stop projecting.

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>>8732843

>> No.8732858

>>8732853
Post pics pls

>> No.8732859

>>8732844
tfw no facehair

but sexy jawline

might work

>> No.8732862

>>8732857
Fuck, this is great, I want that bear sweater.

>> No.8732872

>look at Fall inspo threads
>get excited, so many good ideas
>go to store
>start picking out some stuff
>go home
>try things on
>pair some stuff together
>everything looks like complete garbage
>you regret making most of the purchases
>only end up wearing stuff once in a while

Every. Time. Every. Year.

>> No.8732881

>>8732857
How is everything just floating on the door like that?

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>>8732844

>> No.8732893

>>8732881
Pinned to the door?
Door actually lying flat on the ground?

>> No.8732895

>>8732872

I don't understand how this happens. Don't you wear some of the clothes that is your base when you go shopping? What's the disconnect between the purchase and the wearing?

>> No.8732902

>>8732881

Okay. That warranted a serious, hearty chuckle. Thanks, anon.

>> No.8732926

>>8732872

this

there's a reason these fits only look good on models yu dumb fucks

>> No.8733042

>>8732872

>dark jeans
>white t shirt
>flannel shirt
>brown belt
>decent boots

How are you fucking this up? Fall is basic af to get right

Just remember the /fa/ holy trinity of fit, quality and aesthetics and you can't go wrong

>> No.8733157

>>8732853
>>8732858
this

>> No.8733254

>>8732838
Holy shit, I love that outfit. Too bad I have neither the body nor the complexion to pull that off.

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>> No.8733460

tfw want to start wearing muh layers but it's fucking almost 90 degrees today in CT at the end of August

>> No.8733512

>>8733460
I know that feel.

It's fucking 95 degrees, I just wanna layer up and be comfy.

>> No.8733514

>>8732857
w2c coat and shirt

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>>8733254

Start rowing and fix your skin - you too can be preppy

Seriously, if you're brought up a certain way, nothing can suit a young guy better than this

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>>8732806

>> No.8733870

>>8733460

jfc it's too hot to think of doing anything but swim where i am and all i wanna do is wear my coats. fuck the sun.

>> No.8733884

>>8732857
serious,
w2c anything similar to that big bear cardi?
it's way out of my budget now

>> No.8733895

>>8733545
Everything about this image is palpably comfy holy shit

>> No.8733910

>>8732829
Underrated post

>> No.8733965

>>8733895
>dem comfy clothes
>dat comfy jacket
>dem leaves in the background
>dat football throwin' with a buddy
>dat time of day where the sun is slowly setting and the lights are just starting to turn on

COMFY. AS. FUCK. Why is Fall so damn based?

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>>8732806

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>>8733965

>tfw late to lectures
>got to have that essay on the romantics in by 5 today, better head to the library later
>then chill by the group bonfire and see that qt later whilst thinking of the future

>> No.8734056

>>8733895
yeah, because when I think "comfy", the first thing that comes to mind is wearing a polo over my shirt...

>> No.8734057

>>8734046

did you really take the time to make this

I don't even know what point you're trying to make

>> No.8734074

>>8734056
lel, i thought this, too

>> No.8734077

>>8732844
WEARING BLUE JEANS, A FLANNEL, AND DESERT BOOTS ISNT DRESSRING RUGGED YOU FUCKING FRUIT

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okay guys, my mom bought me this cardigan last winter. is there anything i can do with it to make it wearable? i usually just wear jeans and a t shirt, and i go to a state school so it seems a little dressy. any clothing combo that would make it usable

anything to make it work or should i toss it out?
(i'm aware that old navy is a shit brand)

>> No.8734092

>>8734057
boots are fucking horrid, and all these threads are an embarrassment to the board

much as I don't like the monochrome basics that have taken over this board, they beat this bullshit pretty easily

It's not that the pieces here are bad necessarily. Although some of them are. The point is more that a lot of these outfits are SO catalog-core that it pains me to think that someone looks at them and thinks "yes, this is what inspires me". Where's the creativity?

Plus, like I said at the top of the post, in case you missed it, the boots look ffffucking awful.

And I'm tired of cheap mall brands masquerading as "rugged" (OP's words) clothing -- people get made fun of on this board for calling Red Wings "work boots", but that isn't even half as bad as pretending that the dude in OP's post is wearing anything "rugged".

>> No.8734102

>>8734092

>being this mad

>> No.8734112

>>8734092

You sound like you've had a bad day friend

>> No.8734126

>>8734083
Ombre dye it raspberry

>> No.8734133

>>8734083
++w2c

>> No.8734143

>>8732817
w2c lumberjack shirts

>> No.8734147

>>8733545
please post more pics of him, dont know if this is from a store but these fits are so damn nice! Thanks for contributing

>> No.8734149

>>8734092
Wow, it's almost like fashion changes.

Or that people have different tastes then you.

>> No.8734154

>>8734133
>tfw i'm socially autistic
>can't tell if sarcasm or not

>> No.8734158

>>8733530
w2c?

>> No.8734198

>>8734056
>>8734074
>doesn't know what a rugby shirt is
Jesus. These are the people that I talk about fashion with.

>> No.8734265

>>8732829
w2c apc flannel?

>> No.8734457

>>8733460
i'm in CT as well, please be a girl

>> No.8734483

>>8734457
I'm a boy :(

>> No.8734490

>>8734483
that feel

>> No.8734503

>>8734265
APC

>> No.8734506

It's summer you stupid faggot

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>>8734490
We can still make a giant leaf pile and jump in it together and be friends.

>> No.8734512

>>8734506
It's nearing the end of Summer, bruh.

>> No.8734525

>>8732812
w2c dog?

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>>8734509
you really want to be my friend, anon?

>> No.8734543

>>8734509
w2c pants in middle

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>> No.8734673

>>8734112
in all honesty, yeah. but that doesn't make me wrong

>> No.8734692

>>8734512
no it isn't

>> No.8734700

>buying fall clothing at the start of fall

enjoy buying one piece of clothing for every two I buy, fuccbois

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>> No.8734868

>>8734711

i get this thread doesn't all have to be on the "rugged" side but damn. really?

>> No.8734981

>>8732857
w2c shirt
PLEASE

>> No.8734998

Comfiest season

I'm so excited

>> No.8736330

>>8734998
It's the best.

>> No.8736340

>>8733460
Yeah it's like 85 at 90+% humidity in VT

Fuck this shit, can't do anything without sweating

>> No.8736420

>>8736340
Hey, I'm that person, and I have a question. How is Vermont? In general, but also during the fall. I've been thinking about visiting, it seems like my kind of place.

>> No.8736428

>>8732825

where can I find one of those sweaters?

>> No.8736827

>>8736340
NH here, most days are 70+ and its awful

>> No.8736921

>>8734154
Legit just link me so i can ombre dye it raspberry myself

>> No.8736932

>>8736340
MA here and it sucks. High 80ºs-90ºs with 60% humidity. No good.

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>82 in Southern NH
>mfw

>> No.8736960

>>8733361

w2c tie?

>> No.8736982

>>8736951
Way to wet out here man

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>>8736982
iktfb

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>tfw driving around town and sitting in traffic
this isn't true september

>> No.8737054

>>8736428
ireland

>> No.8737118

What to wear in autumn if I am skinny, tall, have a small frame and don't look masculine at all?

>> No.8737209

>>8734053
I love fantasies as much as the next guy. Any films that capture this?

>> No.8737266

>>8734083
Old Navy is not a shit brand. Their stuff is fairly quality for a very reasonable price. I have this same cardigan in gray. You just got stuck with an awkward color, unfortunately.

Cardigans are not too formal for class. Anyone who gives you shit about it is a projecting insecure faggot. Just throw this on over a plaid with the middle two buttons done. Works well with jeans or chinos. Considering the color, I would avoid wearing it with khaki colored pants.

A cardigan like this could work well with boots or even boat shoes if it's early autumn. I personally think wearing something like this with sneakers would look shitty because the styles clash, but if you have a pair in mind I guess it's up to you.

>> No.8737356

>>8736921
sorry man, i'm not finding it on old navy's website. must be discontinued

>> No.8737450

>>8733314
More like this pls

>> No.8738077

>>8737118
You can wear boots if they're picked nicely, and jeans, a sweater with a shirt underneath, preferably crew neck (v-necks look like shit on most people), maybe a scar and there you go.

Don't overthink it too much. Sure you won't look like a lumberjack just because you wear jeans and boots, but you probably knew that already.

>> No.8738098

>>8737209

Uhh with this kind of 50s-80s preppy aesthetic Dead Poets Society is great. In itself it's a fantastic film (obviously), but I take a lot of inspo from the clothes the kids wear

>> No.8738118

>>8736340

>in UK
>look out the window this morning and see it's miserable and raining
>put on brogues, jeans, t shirt, oxford, jumper, scarf, wool/cashmere overcoat
>fucking dying all day

Hot/humid/overcast is the all time shit tier weather. Crisp/dry/cold is GOAT frankly. I don't think I'll ever move to a hot country (actually considering moving to Scotland for a few years, the layering I could do there would be sick)

>> No.8739309

>>8732881
tru

>> No.8739332

>>8732881
magnets, anon.. magnets.

>> No.8739338

>>8733314
this picture pisses me off for some reason. something about it makes me want to kill that faggot. that fit isnt coherent at all. boots look like shit. jacket looks ghey with fur on it. grey shirt looks like shite. his face is punchable. and that hair what the fuck

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>>8733460
>tfw gonna be 65 tomorrow morning

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>>8734147

>> No.8740777

>>8733460
>>8739372
>>8733512
>Fahrenheit

Why aren't you ashamed of yourself?

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>>8736827
NH person on /fa/
be still my heart there's hope for us yet

>> No.8740886

>mfw I live in Iowa and our seasons are so erratic I don't know when the fuck fall is even gonna start

It seemed like it would be soon but nope, predicted upper 90s by the end of the week

>> No.8741076

>>8734092
>Boot are horrid
m8 don't you think you are projecting a bit?

What the fuck else am I supposed to wear in Colorado Winters? No seriously, go on and tell me.

>> No.8741142

> guaranteed goof nigger butthurt

>> No.8741209

>>8734053
W2C shoes?

>> No.8741671

>>8736960
please don't, that tie is hideous.

>> No.8741957

>>8732857
w2c shoes?????

>> No.8742064

CT here again, it's fucking around 90 degrees (F) and feels like it's more. This is some serious bullshit.

>> No.8742098

>>8741076
sorry if it wasn't clear, but I meant THOSE boots are horrid. not all boots.

>> No.8742111

>>8733460
> It's been raining for a month straight here
> Temps finally fall into 70s
> Time to layer up

> 5 day forecast 100s all week 0 cloud cover

Feelsbd

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anyone knows w2c simmilar knit?

>> No.8742382

>>8742335
H&M The Girl with the Dragon tattoo collection

>> No.8742405

>>8734092
/fa/ is becoming more cataloguecore every day. for how often i still people shittalking mfa on here, the quality of this board has seriously dropped to about the same level for the most part.

>> No.8744337

bump

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>> No.8745141

>>8734665
w2c jacket like this?

>> No.8746656

>>8733545
He's wearing makeup though.

>> No.8746731

>>8736420
It's pretty cool, I'm going to college in southwestern Vermont, but I live in nh. Both states are rally nice in he fall, you should definitely visit. I like the because I can't stand he heat anywhere else, and I love autumn here.

>> No.8747108

W2C good quality flannels in the EU (Want pendleton, can't get =()

>> No.8747142

>>8747108
>fair
gitman bros

>> No.8747153

>>8737209
I got a "The Spectacular Now" vibe from this. Probably more "Coach Carter" or "Remember The Titans."

>> No.8747160

>>8747108
coldsmoke

you're welcome

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I wasn't prepared for this thread but I hate how inspo threads are all comments and no images.

>> No.8747181

>>8747142

just looked on their website, no flannels just oxfords etc

>> No.8747189

>>8747181
yo man, coldsmoke... I tell you!
It's fucking dope!
I wish I could afford it.
http://www.coldsmokeco.com/shop/ikkuma-flannel/

>> No.8747203

>>8747189

sorry mate forgot to reply to you - bit out of my price range unfortunately... I was looking at about £90-100 or less per shirt, maybe with exceptions if the pattern is really nice.

There was a nice APC blue flannel in some shops but it comes up super short and looks stupid =/

>> No.8747208

>>8747178
w2c pants shoes & sweater

>> No.8747212

>>8747203
dannnngg, yeah I'm in the same boat man!
Good luck!

>> No.8747218

>>8747203
Although I picked up a timberland flannel for 2 bucks at my local op shop. It's brand new!
Lucky me, I guess.

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>>8736951
>Going to be 90 in NY Friday
I might just kill myself. Autumn pls come sooner.

>> No.8747235

>>8742335
this is verging on peasantcore.

>> No.8747647

>>8747228
fahrenheit<M<!@^^%

>> No.8748255

>>8747178
W2C Shoes?

>> No.8749292

>>8732817
w2c belt?

>> No.8749300

>>8732857
That bear sweater is the shit
w2c for the love of god

>> No.8749325

>>8736340
Holy fuck.
Another person from Vermont.
I've been waiting for this moment for five years.
How you doin?
>>8736420
Vermont is God-tier

>> No.8749326

>>8733314
looks like someone left that grasshopper in his room as a joke because he plays the fiddle but he got really pissed

>> No.8749384

>>8732852
>17" arms
>big

>> No.8749386

>>8734665
w2c jacket

>> No.8749393

>>8742335
w2c scarf

>> No.8750074

>>8733530
without the cupboard clasp it would be a nice coat

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disregard the hat, but
>dat denim jacket

>> No.8750698

>>8732806
IT IS SUMMER
T

I
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S
U
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>> No.8750707

>>8750696
Hell yes, that jacket is 10/10. W2c?

>> No.8750712

>>8750707
Africa

>> No.8750855

>>8750712
Yeah but like what store?

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8750859

>>8736951
82 in northern mass

>> No.8750884

>>8739338
you're not even listing valid reasons

maybe you're secretly bi and you can't reconcile your homophobia with the intense pants-tearing trip to boner city that this picture inspires within you

just let it happen

c'mon fuck a guy

>> No.8750888

>>8740886
It's been a mild summer. Winter will be shitty as always, so I revel in the heat.

>> No.8750901

>>8733545

Are there any plain black rugby shirts?

>> No.8750939

>tfw it's still 90 degrees outside for another month

feels bad man

>> No.8750956

>>8750901
get some dye and diy

>> No.8750978

>>8747178
Why is it black dudes aways pull off the Menswear look so well? W2c pants, boots... Everything...

>> No.8750992

That feel when you are too fat to wear too many layers

>> No.8751081

>>8750992
stop eating, start smoking
chew ice when you want to eat
drink water

if you live alone, you have no excuse
if you live with your parents, hide it, not like it's hard to hide not eating

>> No.8751266

>>8749325
breddy gud, weather's finally coolling down. where in VT are you from?

>> No.8751275

>>8736951
shit, where in southern NH? Anywhere near monadnock?

>> No.8751279

>>8750978
They look like monkeys in fancy dress.

>> No.8751381

>>8740777
at -40 it doesnt matter what scale your using, celsius or fahrenheit.

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>>8733042

seriouly, this board acts like workwear is hard to pull off or something, It's literally the most simple and socially acceptable look for any guy.

>> No.8751429

>>8734046

none of the thing you point out in this picture are bad. A blurry shot of his boot doesnt signify anything.

>> No.8751437

>>8734083

layer it with a flannel shirt under a denim jacket on cold days. Bitches love it.

>> No.8751440

>>8751266
Brattleboro, born and raised.
You?

>> No.8751448

>>8750978

i think its because white guys always look like theyre trying to recapture the 50s or something, but you know that black guys wouldnt want to do that so it feels more genuine.

>> No.8751469

>>8751429
having the belt all flappy flappy looks retarded. it honestly will ruin a look. and the boots dont quite match. theyre too bright, and draw the eye too much. its unbalanced. on top of which, his belt doesnt match his shoes. what a fucking homo. no qualms with the hair though.

>> No.8751488

>>8751440
bennington college, from NH though.

>> No.8751505

>>8751488
>from NH though.
Close enough.
Nice talking to you.

>> No.8751520

>>8751505
ew, NH, amiright?

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8751576

>>8732848
Harry Potter
The most /fa/ movie?

>> No.8751586

>>8732881
throw the clothes against the door multiple times till the photo comes out properly.

>> No.8751589

>>8751576
definitely. yes.

you should go full wizardcore.

>> No.8751610

>>8734509
w2meet a cute asian girl who will purposely look away from the camera at the last second, which makes the photo have a sense of fun and makes me think, "damn, that's cute."

>> No.8751612

>>8751520
We Vermonters basically consider NH to be our more established sibling since they have things like shopping plazas, four-laned roadways and buildings taller than five stories.
It's really not that different from Vermont in terms of style and climate though.

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>>8736951
>102 in TX
>there is no fall coming for us for a while
>there will never be a winter

>> No.8751630

>>8751612
MA here. NH is nothing but tax free booze, fireworks, and lake winnipesaukee. vermont is pretty great in every way i can think of though, except those mother fuckers on the covered bridges and in the rotaries. damn vermont, learn how to drive in rotaries ffs.

>> No.8751632

>>8751612
I live in southwestern NH (near monadnock) so I'm about an hour or two from any large city. It's really not all that different from southern VT. Never really been to upstate VT, but upstate NH is disgusting.

>> No.8751914

>>8734509
w2c beard

>> No.8751919

>>8751429
the boots look retarded. come on. the shape is all fucked, the lacing is too wide for contrasting laces like that, and the sole is weirdly thin-looking.

>> No.8751926

>>8751623
>95 and humid in SC
>still wearing black skinny jeans, cps, and an ocbd
It is what it is

>> No.8751933
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>>8751623

>> No.8751937

>>8751469
>>8734092
>>8734046
What the fuck? How are you this mad? Jesus, man.

>> No.8751940

>>8751424
I really like the jeans and the boots, but I'm a pale guy with darkblonde hair. What could I combo on it to not look even more pale?
If I would wear pic related, I would probably look like a zombie.

>> No.8751975

>>8751940

dark brown jacket, navy blue scarf, black gloves

>> No.8751985

>>8751975
Sounds great, thank you.

>> No.8752296

>>8751275
Near Manchester guy

>> No.8752322

>>8752296
nice. I'll be sure to laugh at you next time I go to manchester.