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Let's discuss Maison Martin Margiela.

It is probably the designer I buy from most, because the designs are often either wild and unique or very clean looking.

However the quality varies SOOO much. The shirting is probably worse than Target, whereas the jeans and sweater have been superb to me so far.

>> No.8301933

>>8301931
>buying theory

>> No.8301937

It's been downhill ever since Martin left himself and Diesel bought it out.

>> No.8301950

>>8301937
Yes, it's a shame I wasn't into fashion when Martin was still heading the brand.

>> No.8302046

I am going to get that body morph as a tattoo.

>> No.8302080

I wouldn't buy a thing from then other than their bags. Diesel, no thank you.

>> No.8302190

>>8302080
DIESEL actually own a shit tonne of brands including Dolce & Gabbana IIRC.

>> No.8302214
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who would win in a fight? are there any pics of MMM where you can see his entire body?

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>>8302214
There is like 1 photograph of Martin in circulation.
He's cuter.

>> No.8302275

>>8302246
No joke that nigga has a glock.

I can tell. Ricks muscles can't stop hot lead.

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>>8302246
there are more

>> No.8302286

>>8301931
is the quality really that poor?
what designer/house would you say has far superior quality?

>> No.8302291

>>8302190
Yeah they're rich as fuck. Thank the plebs.

>> No.8302292

>>8302190
D&G is incredibly mediocre and sports incredibly inflated pricing on most items.

>> No.8302299

Martin margiela and his team were phenomenal, a serious power house in terms of innovative design, but now it's rather stale. I think the problem is that they try to emulate his design theories, but on a smaller budget and with arguably less talent. Honestly I considered the brand mostly dead after the first two DIESEL owned seasons, though I'm sure it's still hugely profitable.

>>8302190
D&G is incredibly mediocre and sports incredibly inflated pricing on most items.

>> No.8302307

>>8302299
The only Margiela pieces I own are just basic shit like oxfords and a sweater that I copped from sales. I agree with you, IMO Margiela was untouchable in the 90's, although I'm really considering copping a pair of GATs (handling them in store really sold me).

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8302319

We Vetements now

Vetements is gonna do MMM better than MMM

>> No.8302409

>>8302319
y is the door not closed
what if a skeleton grabs her
or is she the sk3lly

>> No.8302571

>>8302319
I have a dick sorry

>> No.8302578

>>8301931
Lets discuss Nelson Mandela.

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8302682

Opinions on his the new line of painted converse? I copped a pair in navy. Excited as fuck actually

>> No.8302914

Is margiela considered minimalist

>> No.8303051

>>8302307
I bought the gats recently. Very comfortable, didn't need to break them in at all. They feel like I've been wearing for months.

>> No.8303165

>>8302190

Only the Brave either owns or holds a majority stake in Diesel, Viktor & Rolf, Marni, and MMM. They do production for many more companies, like Marc Jacobs, DSquared, Vivienne Westwood, and others.

>>8302319

Really was digging in when they first came out. I also think folks like Anne-Sofie Back and Chalayan do a great job of taking that ethos in to a contemporary setting.

>>8302914

You could say the brand has minimalist tendencies, but I think "conceptual" is more of the driving force.

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>>8302914

Also, look at the type of people who have worked with/for the MMM studio and you'll see they have a stronger conceptual (and sometimes deconstructionist) streak than anything concerned with minimal, spare design, though the two overlap frequently. Quentin Ngheim's QBISM takes the "make-and-mend" ethos that you see in a lot of MMM products and applies it very directly to sportswear and military-inspired products. Isaac Reina is pretty minimal in terms of his style lines and overall designs, but the huge range of objects that he does have a strong conceptual bend, whether it's about exploring a pattern or riffing on a single shape in various proportions.

>> No.8303200

>>8303165
>>8303189
Where do you draw your knowledge from? Mind sharing places you visit, except 4chan's /fa/?

>> No.8303208

>>8303200

Libraries, bookstores, visiting stores, visiting showrooms, talking to friends.

>> No.8303221

>>8302286

>muh quality

It is pretty much just a /fa/ meme.
It is ego massaging for money wasting.

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We should return to the topic at hand, though.

I think there was a noticeable drop in quality after Margiela left, but I think the studio is capable enough. It's hard to be revolutionary at this point after decades of being in business, but the Artisanal shows are still one of the only places to see some genuinely new ideas about dress. As far as the ready-to-wear goes, the point of the wardrobe lines (4 and 14 for women and men, respectively) was always about building a core that gave lines 1 and 10 room to try out more things.

If you preferred MMM when it was about really aggressive deconstruction, then the current incarnation of the label is definitely not for you. But if you're just looking for really smart, really considered takes on styles you know you'll always wear, I think you'd hardly find better still.

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>>8302277

>> No.8303275

I'm not particularly moved by the clothing. I like the footwear (Sidezips, GAT's), fragrances and jewelry for the most part. That's not to say that the other stuff isn't nice, I just haven't taken the time to observe and handle anything else.

I can't comment about any drops in quality, since I've only handled post-Margiela-Margiela. The sweatshirts felt really luxurious, I prefer them to the Raf sweats (current/previous season).

As for Margiela leaving the company, well, business is business.

>> No.8303280

i bought two pieces of knitwear back in 2011 and they have held up beautifully. i've worn them very frequently and they still look brand new.
if you want to shell some money into a knit, i'd highly recommend margiela.

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8303442

>>8303280

As far as knitwear goes, Ms. Deanna-era knits are the gold standard.

>> No.8303565

>>8303442
any places still selling this?

>> No.8303630

>>8303565

They haven't used Deanna for years now. Everything is made by Staff.

Or are you just asking about the sweater style itself? Heavy knits like that in wool, as you'd expect, part of the fall/winter collections. There is a cotton-blend version available now, though.

>http://eboutique.maisonmartinmargiela.com/us/cardigan_cod39388745ws.html

>> No.8303740

>diesel hate

toppest of lels, renzo rosso is actually based as fuck. read his books if you get a chance, there are VERY FEW people like him in the apparel industry he's someone who truly embraces innovation, creative rights, and is pretty altruistic while also being a shrewd as fuck businessman who managed to build an empire.

as for margiela he was quite happy when diesel bought his company and there are statements from him that he got on great with rosso. of course no one knows why margiela left but margiela but there seems to be a huge misconception that it was because of the buyout. except that happened in 2002 and it wasn't confirmed that margiela had left until 2009, it wasn't like the company got bought and he quit the next day.

as for the handling of the company since, well rosso quadrupled the sales after his acquisition. considering the brands heritage its one of the best handled buyouts that i can think of. the formula hasn't really been fucked with for the most part and the integrity of the brand has more or less (cough H&M collab cough) been maintained.

>> No.8303809

>>8303442
who's Ms Deanna and why can't I find info on her

>> No.8303828

>>8303809

>http://www.itsweb.org/jsp/en/newsdetail/selectedid_103.jsp

>http://theforumist.com/miss-dieanna/

>> No.8303864

>>8303221
whenever i see people make this argument against quality, it makes it clear that they've never handled any goods anywhere other than at the mall.
You really do pay for quality, as well as hype and other marketing elements. But there's more than one reason Rick jackets cost more than some River Island coat and quality/attention to detail/materials/construction/etc. all factor into that
but you keep telling youself that

>> No.8304009

>>8303221
hah lol

have you ever handled something worth more than $1k?

ego massaging... sure, pfft. more like you're massaging your poorfag prostate with those delusions.

>> No.8304037

>>8303864
You pay for quality, but if you think there isn't an exclusivity mark up you're naive as fuck.

>> No.8304156

>>8304037

That anon acknowledged it:

>You really do pay for quality, as well as hype and other marketing elements

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I've always heard there's a certain... not exactly stereotype, especially since the brand's gone semi-mainstream, but an archetype I guess of the typical Margiela wearer. It's never been clear to me what that *is*, though.

I mean, IDC, I love Margiela no matter what and it's always seemed positive, but I've never really gotten that perception.

Line 0 pic related.

>> No.8305754

>>8302682
they are literally converse with paint on them. You paid for paint.

>> No.8305761

>>8305754
margiela paint :)

>> No.8305798

>>8304009

BULLSHIT!
A pair of $1k+ leather combat boots are not a higher quality than $300 outdoor specific leather boots. $500+ is purely brand association.

>> No.8305821

>>8303221
I'm a poorfag and how can you even fucking make this argument

Quality is pretty much everything. It's when you pay heaps for shit that's shit that you're retarded

>> No.8305826

>>8303165
.....only the brave is a shell company renzo started to control all the assets diesel had.

Only the brave spa. Is the name becuase it's the diesel slogan. If you buy a pair of dose. Jeans and look at the micro tag where it's authenticated, look above that and it has the diesel logo, the diesel Indian head and the only the brave working around the head

>> No.8305915

>>8305798
Think for a second about the word: "quality." It's a noun. What does it mean?

Waterproofness is a quality. Suppleness is a quality, as is being quick to develop a patina. Militarism is a quality, decadence is a quality, drama is a quality, playfulness is a quality, being designer is a quality, being by a particular designer is a quality, although all those are in the realm of the social, they're still qualities.

>> No.8305924

>>8305754
They're also leather lined so there are some differences

>> No.8305938

You're paying for the label.
It's a socioeconomic simple saying 'look at me I'm that interested in fashion to drop x amount of money on boots'.
Realize your psychological manifestations don't translate to the rest of the population. They will think you're crazy.

>> No.8305977

>>8305915
that's a different meaning of the word m8. For one thing, 'high quality' isn't an adjective and a noun, its an adverb and an adjective. Nobody's saying "those boots are a high quality" - they're saying "those are high quality boots". 'Quality' in the sense of 'high quality' is meant to stand for a sort of almost normative quality of 'desirability' or 'overall quality' rather than any particular property (which is perhaps a less ambiguous term for the use of 'quality' you're talking about).

>> No.8306003

>>8305977
>almost normative quality of 'desirability' or 'overall quality'

Yeah, and I'm pointing out how dull and basic it is to act like that's something real.

"High quality" is pretty much a bastardized abbreviation of "a high degree of the quality of [normative quality]." It only works if the interlocutors have a shared understanding of what quality is under discussion. Obviously, if we're comparing Vasque Sundowner GTXs to Rick Owens Moody Army boots, and arguing about their quality, we really need to be precise about context - the person, the use case, ultimately the quality/ies we're comparing - or else we're just yelling shit into the Internet.

It's not even "stop liking what I don't like!" It's "stop seeing what I don't see!"

>> No.8306073

>>8305915
quality - it's what your post is not

>> No.8306106

>>8303864
>buys pants from zara
>they turned into the dust before even tryingthem on

>> No.8306513

>>8302286
No, the quality is good, but just disgusting on particular items. It's really strange.

Like I said, the shirts are DISGRACEFUL quality. In fact, one time I was about to go out in my MMM shirt and after 20 minutes it was SOOO creased up I was too embarassed to be seen wearing it and came home to change.

Just take some time to learn what's good and what to avoid. It's a crying shame because their shirt collars are large which is great for me and my thick neck, and I love the designs and colors.

>> No.8306572

>>8303236
I agree! I actually prefer the current incarnation.

They do a lot of experimental stuff but it's usually actually quite wearable and appealing to the eye. Those aprons looked so cool during the runway show, I almost want to buy one haha...

And those python GATs that literally LIGHT UP and glow when u shine light on them... How can you not love that?

>> No.8306575

>>8303280
Great, 'cause I just ordered one. I also have a jersey sweatshirt with the suede elbow patches. Seems to be good thus far.

>> No.8306593

>>8305748
I don't think anybody in the real world wears Margiela. Just me. Kek. I also don't think anybody has heard of it outside of Niggas In Paris.

I saw Ant (of Ant and Dec) wearing a Margiela knit on Britain's Got Talent the other day, however.