Brogue General

[Anonymous No.7950464]

I need some new tan brogues. My last pair were a shit £80 brand from Office. I'm looking to spend a bit more on a quality pair that will last a longer time.

I've narrowed it down to two pairs:

Loake Chester and Grenson Stanley, they're both £200, Goodyear welted and I think they're both made in England.

Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.7950491]

Buy Loake. Grenson shoes are made in India unless you get the high end ones. Those Loakes are made in the UK.

[Anonymous No.7950496]

>tan

What is this, 2007? If you're going for non-black, get a dark chestnut - it looks better with just about everything. Loake Badminton would be my rec

[Anonymous No.7950533]

>>7950496
Tan brogues are timeless

[Anonymous No.7950548]

>>7950464
Loake, definitely.

[Anonymous No.7950610]

I'm not a huge fan of Loake, personally I think they're way too bulky.

[Anonymous No.7950784]

>>7950533

They're very dated actually

In the context of how you'll be wearing them, they're dated in the sense that the classy gentlemen of 2006-11 wore them, and they're now pretty un/fa/ as a result

[Anonymous No.7951550]

>>7950491
>Grenson shoes are made in India unless you get the high end ones.
Not even.
NO grenson shoes are entirely made in England any longer. They are ALL made in india, and sent to england for finishing. It is presumed that the more expensive models have better finishing.

[Anonymous No.7951563]

>>7950610
Brogues are typically bulky. They're country walking shoes, after all, and that's why most models are on larger lasts to accommodate thicker socks.

>>7950533
The tan is nice because, due to its light colouring, it has the opportunity to develop a really nice, darker patina over time.

They will look better than darker brogues after a few years IMO, unless you want to go about artificially antiquing it for fun.

[Anonymous No.7951940]

>>7950464
Don't half-ass it. Get some Church's.

[Anonymous No.7952007]

>>7951940
Don't half-arse it. Get some C&J's.

[Anonymous No.7952100]

>>7950464
Mr. Bean rocked a pair in black

if Mr. Bean had a better haircut and better cuts would he be effay?

[Anonymous No.7952252]

>>7952007
Don't half-ass it. Get some john lobbs.

[Anonymous No.7952289]

>>7952100
yeah of course dude

lame suits with dad shoes are super cool

[Anonymous No.7952633]

I like the aesthetic of brogues.
I can't afford very nice ones.
What are very basic, shit tier places to purchase brogues? 100 and under?

[Anonymous No.7952666]

>>7950464
Allen Edmonds Dalton

Definitely a sexy boot.

[Anonymous No.7952676]

dadshit

[Anonymous No.7953096]

>>7950464
Here's a dodgy image I just took of my Loake Chesters. If you're buying in store then you probably already know, but they are rather bulky and about a size bigger than I thought they'd be. I like the build quality and leather though, and they're also mahogany instead of tan if that's not obvious.

Just in case you're still here.

[Anonymous No.7953280]

>>7953096
Not op but thanks for the pic.
It's so rare to get pics of Loake Chester's that aren't promo pics or display pics from stores.
And even then it's all the tan one.

How have yours been? Comfy when worn in?
How's the sole? Did you get it topied? or is it bare leather?

Any other thoughts about them?

[Anonymous No.7953317]

>>7950464
copped a pair of grensons for casual wear for $230AUD/£125 today. wouldn't have payed more. like >>7950491 said, they're made in india so i wouldn't really want to pay more than what i did. these are the shoes in question.

[Anonymous No.7953324]

>>7953317
forgot pic, as usual

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.7953337]

>>7950464
do you make those shoes yourself, or does your mum still do it for ya wee lad

look here

soft as an irish spring shower, and tough as a land lord's heart

[Anonymous No.7953347]

>>7953280
They are about half a size or so too big, but as long as they are done up as tight as they can be they feel fine. Just means that the vamp-flaps, or whatever they're called, have no space between them when tied up. It might even be the last itself, since I have thin feet and the shoe is known for having a fairly wide last.

They are comfy to walk in for me, and the soles are just bare leather. They also sometimes slide around a little when walking downhill on smooth gravel on a hot day. Here's an image of one of the soles as it is now.

I personally like the colour, and the leather is pretty thick. It also came with that creaky leather sound for a while, in case that bothers you.

[Anonymous No.7953361]

I got a pair of chestnut Loake Severns about 2 years ago and they're holding up really well. I'd advise against the stupid rubber sole inserts the Severns have though..

[Anonymous No.7953431]

>>7952289
i can feel the sarcasm burning my lungs

[Anonymous No.7953545]

>>7953337
sieg stop smoking
go away when cold turk

[Anonymous No.7954299]

>>7953545
bump for brog

[Anonymous No.7954387]

Fucking brogueing is sexy af bby.

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.7954403]

>>7953545
its like you niggas don't even watch 13 year old Disney movies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0WyRlovCQU

[Anonymous No.7956604]

any white or light brogue shoes, points for suede. all i could find is the bape ones

[Anonymous No.7956610]

>>7950464
i have loake, they are nice

[Anonymous No.7956621]

>>7956604
mcnairy (sandro)

[Anonymous No.7956684]

>>7950491
>>7951550
That fact that they are made in India doesn't matter fuck all. Do you think they can't make a freakin leather shoe over there just as well as they can in UK?

[Anonymous No.7957212]

>>7956684
Of course it matters.
Companies do not shift production to india for it's fable quality control and expertise of manufacture and overall craft of their craftsman.

They do it because it's cheaper, and it's cheaper not only because of differences between the two countries like cost of labour/living etc., yes, but also because corners are cut, quality assurance is not as good.

Read any account from people that own shoes from a maker that has in recent years shifted production to india and you'll see that, for the same price you are getting less.

There is an interview on the web somewhere where a journalist talks with an Indian factory owner who makes shoes for some Northampton firms and he basically says that people come to him because he is cheap, and he is cheap because he cuts corners.

Yes, he says, his workers are good, and could replicate the attention to detail and fabled craftsmanship that made the northampton name what it is, but that is not why English firms come to him, they want cheap, they want cut corners - to do anything else would raise his prices.

So yes, it does fucking matter where they are made, particularly in this context.

Barker, Grenson, cheaper Loake (although they do not intentionally attempt to deceive buyers and clearly label their shit in all marketing as "made in india") - barker and grenson get around having the fact that only part of their shoes are made in England because 10 or 15 years ago the government changed the labeling laws, effectively loosening them to the point that you could make your shit in uzbekistan, send it to england, stick a price tag on it, call it a day and still have "made in england".

It's a matter of trust, nowadays, and nobody trusts grenson any longer; this is why they've shifted in to markets that do not know any better.

[Anonymous No.7957274]

>>7957212
>Barker, Grenson, cheaper Loake (although they do not intentionally attempt to deceive buyers and clearly label their shit in all marketing as "made in india") - barker and grenson get around having the fact that only part of their shoes are made in England because 10 or 15 years ago the government changed the labeling laws, effectively loosening them to the point that you could make your shit in uzbekistan, send it to england, stick a price tag on it, call it a day and still have "made in england".
if anything fuck grenson because of this
>>7956684
if it doesn't matter the fuck at all, then why aren't they more open about where they get their shit made? why hide it, if it's so good?
you'd think they'd be proclaiming from the fucking hilltops that most of their shoes are indian made and only the soles are attached in england

>>7956621
>(sandro)
do you mean sanders?

[Anonymous No.7957798]

>>7954387
>dat sole thick as a nigger dick

IMO thick soles are fucking hideous unless they're creepers

[Anonymous No.7958056]

I just got a pair of shell Alden AF79s.

[Anonymous No.7959321]

yo, can anyone ID these? thought they were docs for a minute

[Anonymous No.7959330]

can any ID these?

[Anonymous No.7959389]

tricker's piccadilly faggot

[Anonymous No.7959407]

>>7959330
visvim patrician folk, aw10 i think
rubbish though, don't waste your money, you're better off buying a brogue from a well-reputed british manufacturer such as edward green, crockett & jones or pre-prada church's. the brand closest to visvim's aesthetic would be tricker's, they do a collaboration with a lot of heritage-influenced fashion brands such as junya watanabe, paper chest, needles, nepenthes, and engineered garments
visvim is just overpriced

[Anonymous No.7959685]

>>7952100
bean legit looks like he could be wearing Thom Browne

[Anonymous No.7959749]

>>7957212
>They do it because it's cheaper, and it's cheaper not only because of differences between the two countries like cost of labour/living etc., yes, but also because corners are cut, quality assurance is not as good.

The cheaper labour alone is worth it. Cutting corners, well that depends entirely of the individual manufacturer. You can't say it's a norm without exceptions. Do we have proof that Grenson is cutting corners in India or that their shoes have lost quality since starting to manufacture there? This whole Made in England thing is just shoe snobbery without much logic, the product is still a freakin leather shoe, not space technology only white people could ever manufacture right.

>>7957274
>if it doesn't matter the fuck at all, then why aren't they more open about where they get their shit made?
It says on their site that they are made in India.

Hide? It says on their site under G-TWO info " in India where they are made and shipped back to us for inspection ".

[Anonymous No.7959922]

>>7959749
>Hide? It says on their site under G-TWO info
you don't seem to get it
GTwo was always known to be made in india - they don't hide that, never had. It's like loake's cheaper lines, everyone knows and it's clearly stated

it's their other lines, their pricier lines, which didn't explicitly say "made in india" that's the problem
they are still made in india

grenson doesn't make any shoes wholly in the uk any longer
doesn't matter if it's their more expensive shoes, doesn't matter if it's near 500 quid
they had a lot more lines (like the rose line) that were very decent, and on which they built their reptuation. but in recent years they got rid of those lines, and their traditional retailers dropped them because of it and their decline in overall quality.

go read up on peoples perceptions of grenson out in the forums - before and after the shift. don't expect some kind of peer reviewed science report like some kind of autist though

if you buy grenson shoes today, you are paying more for something that is lesser than a make like tricker

grenson is okay if you don't spend hundreds of pounds on them - unless you really, really like the style, as everything points to them being worse than they were, with pricing unchanged.

[Anonymous No.7959954]

>>7950464

I just found an amazing pair of beat up old brogues on the side of the road. Checked for piss smell and signs of irreparable damage. All good.

They are seriously sick and aside from the heels being worn to shit they are definitely worth copping. Funnily enough they are American Eagle though (i know right?). I was going to link them but they dont appear to make them anymore. Sorry OP

[Anonymous No.7959979]

>>7959749
>This whole Made in England thing is just shoe snobbery without much logic, the product is still a freakin leather shoe, not space technology only white people could ever manufacture right.
lol keep telling yourself that m80
whatever helps you justify your poorly thought-out purchases

[Anonymous No.7959985]

>>7959954
>I just found an amazing pair of beat up old brogues on the side of the road.
Found shoes are never a good thing imo. Sure you may not have found anything physically wrong with them, but they're there for a reason.

Maybe they're cursed.

[Anonymous No.7959995]

>>7959985
>you dont think Im already thinking about this?

I figured that it was in a super Chinese neighborhood outside a very Chinese house. They probably chucked em after they got beat up. Not realizing that the white man loves shit that looks fucked up and old. I scooped em up with my jew mits and scuttled back to my apartment

[Anonymous No.7960025]

>>7959995
>They probably chucked em after they got beat up.
Oh naaah man, Chinese never just do that, they're the Jews of Asia: stingy as fuck. Stuff gets passed on to successive relatives of which there is no shortage, NEVER just thrown out. Ever. And not on the street; it could attract vagrants.

There's some bad feng shui about all this anon.

[Anonymous No.7960036]

>>7960025

I've already gotten laid in them... Should I get checked for std's?

[Anonymous No.7960041]

>>7960025
you could say that he should
tread carefully

[aiouh !!2EBwZerKFLu No.7960038]

>>7960036
no its too late anon

[Anonymous No.7960051]

>>7959749
>Made in England thing is just shoe snobbery without much logic, the product is still a freakin leather shoe, not space technology only white people could ever manufacture right.
Top fucking kek
You really don't seem to understand the difference between something machine mass produced and something made mostly by hand.

Are you going to compare Loake's indian shoes or Grensons to Sanders? Trickers? Alfred Sargent? Benchgrade Crockett & Jones? Gaziano Girling? (Edward Green? John fucking Lobb?)
You going to compare Meermin Mallorca china to Carmina in spain?

You must not have experience with many nice shoes. Hint: none of them are made in the third world. Cheaper, assembly line stuff, yeah, but there isn't any craftsman-grade stuff of any note whatsoever, as there just isn't the same expertise or tradition. Those european and american companies have made their rep over two centuries through the art and craft of making fine, dependable footwear. You don't want the experience of their workers and quality control then whatever.

If you're happy with your third world labor, then more power to you. I personally think it's a waste of money though with grenson since actual UK made shoes don't cost much more.

Enjoy your shoes made by people that didn't wear shoes (and still don't) until very recently, when the brits went in there and ran the place.

[Anonymous No.7960048]

>>7960038

h...hold me..

[Anonymous No.7960071]

>>7960051
That logic is pretty retarded. It's not because they can't or are not able to make that stuff, but because there is no tradition or "heritage". Except nowadays that doesn't mean fuck all because you can import the know-how easily.

Its stupid to stick with somekind of outdated principle that you can't have nice shoes made anywhere else than in england/france/italy whatnot because that's where the tradition is. Fuck, not long ago 100% of the watch making tradition was in Switzerland, and now we have Japs making half a million Seikos that put anything Swiss to shame in terms of craftsmanship.

[Anonymous No.7960101]

>>7960071
Tradition or no, you cannot compare shoes from india with shoes from england.

[aiouh !!2EBwZerKFLu No.7960105]

>>7960048
Do I look like I want to

I went to the urologist like only 2 weeks ago

[Anonymous No.7960120]

>>7960051
>Grensons to Sanders? Trickers? Alfred Sargent? Benchgrade Crockett & Jones? Gaziano Girling? (Edward Green? John fucking Lobb?)

Why the hell would I since Grensons start from like 100£. If you don't buy those 100-230£ Grensons (that affordable category is propably 90% of Grenson sales) ONLY because they are made in India you are being stupid and pretentious.

[Anonymous No.7960130]

>>7952666
/fa/ used to go crazy over these

[Anonymous No.7960134]

>>7960120
>Grensons start from like 100£.
those ones are shit

[Anonymous No.7960142]

>>7960134
Them being shit or not compared to 400£ shoe is totally irrelevant to the discussion. I would rate the G-twos higher than entry Loakes though which are about same price.

[Anonymous No.7960141]

>>7960134
>230£
so are these

grenson are just not very good for the price

[Anonymous No.7960174]

>>7960142
>than entry Loakes though
which loakes?
even the only loakes worth looking at 1880's aren't very good

[Anonymous No.7960190]

>>7960174
What ever the line is called that is around 200-250 quid, that basically competes with Grenson.

[Anonymous No.7960207]

>>7960190
holy shit how far grenson has sunk if they're competing with loake now
wow

[Anonymous No.7960215]

>>7960207
There is fundamentally nothing wrong with that outside of shoe snob circles, but that's pretty much what I've seen saying. People should think Grenson similar Loakes, Red Wings etc and stop moaning how they suck compared to C&J. They are solid everyday shoes for people on limited budgets.

[hip$ster !HALO3F/O26 No.7960339]

>>7960051
>John fucking Lobb

I'll admit that I've never tried on any John Lobb shoes, but I don't get why people talk about the brand like it's some undisputed champion of footwear

Even if they're the highest quality shoes ever to grace the shoe market, I don't like them, I don't think they look good

but then I've never really been able to get into #menswear so maybe I just don't get it

[Anonymous No.7960397]

>>7960339
Not THOSE Lobbs, the OTHER Lobbs.
>but I don't get why people talk about the brand like it's some undisputed champion of footwear
Basically because they're the bespoke shoe of choice for the Royal Family and basically anyone in the world with any money to their name that buys english shoes. They've been this way for quite some time.

Those Lobbs you posted share only the name which is licensed in France to Hermes.

The reputation of one is confused with the other. One is deserving of it's reputation on its terms, bespoke footwear, the other isn't so much considering what else is on the market ready to wear.

[Anonymous No.7960403]

>>7960397
Note: I guess that's what they were referring to, as JLParis is nice but certainly not worth their price compared to other shoes nearing that price bracket. The London JL is a true luxury that is not really needed, but is still held up as a kind of ideal.
I don't see the Paris ones in this idealized fashion but maybe other do.

[hip$ster !HALO3F/O26 No.7960563]

>>7960397
thanks for clearing that up at least, although Mr Porter says they're "Handmade in Northampton, England". are you saying Lobb makes them for Hermes, or Hermes (in France) makes them in England, or Mr Porter is wrong? it is possible that Mr Porter is wrong

>Basically because they're the bespoke shoe of choice for the Royal Family

I don't know about you but the royal family isn't my main source of fashion inspo

>and basically anyone in the world with any money to their name that buys english shoes

sounds like an exaggeration but if true it's still an appeal to their popularity with wealthy buyers (I don't care) rather than an extolling of the virtues of the shoes themselves

calling it "true luxury" is exactly the kind of thing I don't like in brands like this. posts always are tagged like #menswear #john lobb #luxury #london #bespoke #refined style, etc. it seems like wealth-worship more than fashion, to me.

if what makes them amazing is how well they do the bespoke work, like they conform to the foot more perfectly than any other bespoke brand, or they're just way comfier somehow, then okay, that's impressive, but I still don't think they look good. I don't like the look of the leathers they use, I don't like the very angular shape of the shoe, I don't like the extra-small brogueing, the whole package just looks like tacky 'refined luxury' crap, to me, made mainly for people who need to be better than other people

[Anonymous No.7960598]

>>7960563
there are 2 lobbs. one you can buy in a shop and wear them out the door. they are made in england but owned by a french luxury goods consortium. they are expensive - 1000USD+++

other lobb, original lobb, is a shop. you can't buy any thing to wear instantly - you have to bave lasts of your feet made and then consider what you want. these lobbs are handmade in the truest sense. they are 5000USD+++

completely different kinds of shoe, completely different styling (one is limited to your wallet and imagination), completely different construction

just the name is the same
fuxk this tablet seriously

[Anonymous No.7960628]

>>7960598
it is also unlikely that you'll see original lobbs online or wouldn't recognise them as such because they are made to the specs of the wearer. few people with the kind of cash to splash on these shoes have the time or inclination tp play on fashion websites.

the feench owmed lobb os closer to your idea pf mass, tacky luxury, because ir is. they churn out howver hundreds of shoes a year
the other lobb would probably make 100, and mlst of their business would be servicing their shoes gpong back half a century or more


fuck tabley sorry

[sieg heil !szTe0VDR1w No.7960635]

>>7960563
hermes isn't a small brand they own the license to operate/sell john lobb fashion shoes

[Anonymous No.7960675]

>John Lobb
Eh... What about George Cleverley, Berluti, Edward Green?

[Anonymous No.7960709]

>>7960675
which one?
cleverly compares to john lobb st. james
green compares to paris

different class of animal. different race track

[Anonymous No.7960714]

>>7960709
Just wanted to point out that John Lobb wasn't necessarily the end all of footwear, be it RTW or bespoke

I prefer Cleverley personally, at that point it's simply a matter of taste, not of quality or anything like that

[Anonymous No.7960892]

if I understood well, Lobb's bespoke line is the best you can get but if I can't afford 5k dollar shoes, should I still look at JL Paris? Are there any equally nice alternatives?

Will I get a significant drop in quality by buying JL Paris or does bespoke only offer more personalization options?

[Anonymous No.7961304]

So Grenson are shit then guys? I was gonna cop a pair of these - http://www.mrporter.com/product/354897

The Loake equivalent looks quite bulky.

[Anonymous No.7962013]

>>7952666
w2c jawnz that color and tightness? and how to roll them that high if theyre that tight lol

[hip$ster !HALO3F/O26 No.7962119]

>>7960598
I know what bespoke means, though I didn't know that Hermes did all the production of the mass market ones. alright, alright. I spoke wrongly.

>>7960635
I didn't say they were I just didn't understand the relationship, now I sort of do

it's kind of fucked up that they would whore out the brand name like that, but anyway I'll stop making wrong assumptions about john lobb, then

[Anonymous No.7962277]

w2c black broques that won't make me broke?

poor uni student

[Anonymous No.7962560]

>>7962277
why black?
like, no point
wear with suit
no one can see the detailing, just swallowed by blecknes

[Anonymous No.7962696]

>>7961304
If it's cheap and you like it why not?
Have you looked at A&E? They go on sale like all the time.

>>7962119
>'s kind of fucked up that they would whore out the brand name like that,
I think it happened like this: JL had one more store in Paris, that had been there for a long time. So there were two branches, the London one and the Paris one. Then in the 70's they sold the paris one to hermes or some other group or person (which was then bought by hermes maybe) who concentrated on RTW and got rid of the bespoke element and marketed the fuck out of things during the 80s.

Most people wouldn't know about the original lobb, and think of the RTW hermes one if "lobb shoes" ever comes up for conversation.


>tfw your grandfather and father both have JL StJames
>tfw you were once brought to the shop in London as a wee lad, with the promise that "one day, when your feet stop growing, you'll come and get your feet lasted too!"
>tfw SEA financial crisis
>tfw too poor now
>tfw can't fit into father's or grandfather's shoes
oh well, at least I can dream - but god damn I'm mad at my feet.

[Anonymous No.7962739]

What do you call brogues without the design?
I need something to wear with my jeans but I just don't care for brogues too much (though they are growing on me the more I see threads like this.)

[Anonymous No.7962761]

>>7962739
>What do you call brogues without the design?
without the perforations?
austerity brogues.

[Anonymous No.7962792]

>>7962761
Looking around on a search, definitely what I meant but all the ones on images look disgusting.
Still, nice to know what they are.

[Anonymous No.7962796]

>>7962792
they're all pretty sleek and kinda pointy, aren't they?
that's just the fad

if you want something more snubnosed and bulky you could consider the wolverine 1000 mile addisons
it's a boot tho

[Anonymous No.7962828]

>>7962796
>wolverine 1000 mile addisons
I alternate between thinking they're hideous and fuck and thinking that I wouldn't mind them

wolverines aren't that good, but they can be had for cheap

[Anonymous No.7962857]

>>7952289
damn dude you have hella swagg bro
#yolo

[Anonymous No.7962865]

>>7962828
I don't care for the color personally, but they still look bretty good.

[Anonymous No.7962876]

>>7962865
there's more than one color

[Anonymous No.7962884]

>>7962876
Oh i know, I jsut meant that pair. My bad

[Anonymous No.7962895]

>>7962884
Only consolation with the tans is that they're light enough to develop an interesting patina over time.
That or you could try burnishing them yourself.