/fa/ - Fashion

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381587]

which one of you just made me pay way too much for this?

[Anonymous No.7381600]

Is that Zara?

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381619]

>>7381600
oh you bet zara is my favourite

pic related another beautiful zara piece i will one day own

[Anonymous No.7381629]

srsly though could you give a source on this bomber?

[Mifune No.7381631]

>>7381619
hahaha you cunt... man i still have them HL hangers form the coats and suits i own.

I do feel that void of no bondage bomber... heck

[Anonymous No.7381633]

I believe it's Helmut Lang

[Anonymous No.7381634]

do u hav this?

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381635]

>>7381629
The OP pic is a Helmut Lang bomber from fw03, second pic is also HL not sure which year.

[Anonymous No.7381638]

>>7381634
Looks effay as fack mang.

[Mifune No.7381641]

>>7381635
it's SS04

[Anonymous No.7381644]

>>7381634
>copying someone elses filenaming systme
???????????????

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381651]

>>7381634
no that is sufu/sz user Michael Kard who owns that, I do own this piece from the same collection though.

Michael Kard's shopify: http://endyma.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage

[Anonymous No.7381650]

>>7381641
Super Saiyan 4 Goku

[Anonymous No.7381654]

>>7381644
i download original from 4chan
is that bad??

timber uploaded helmet lang a/w 99 and it was very neat

[Anonymous No.7381659]

how much did u pay

where did u first find out about helmut lang

w2c knowledge on helmut lang

[Anonymous No.7381668]

>>7381651
wow, do you have any fashion books?

[lovely No.7381673]

>>7381659
while I was watching the 90210 remake series

[Anonymous No.7381677]

>>7381668
lmfoa da friick....

dont treat ppl like fashun experts just cuz they overpaid for some rare pieces. everything pf knows about helmut lang he just read on 4chan from user or timbers posts lol

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381685]

>>7381651
jacket showroom pic
>>7381641
thanks
>>7381659
i paid 75000 yen, about 40000 more than i had to.

http://stylezeitgeist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2846

has a lot of information, articles, pictures etc.

[Mifune No.7381703]

>>7381685
Jesus christ... for that jacket? 75000 yen?

[Anonymous No.7381704]

>>7381677
i'm not going to assume the worst in people

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381707]

>>7381703
for the one in the OP yes. it had no time extension on the auction which is unusual for a y!jp sale, so i just put a huge max bid on it with the intent to place it in the last few seconds. i ended up putting it on about 30 seconds too early and instead of getting it for 34000 the other prospective buyer forced it up to 75000 before it closed.

shouldve just been patient.

[Anonymous No.7381720]

>>7381703

lol ikr

seen them for 20k on rakuten in the past...

[Anonymous No.7381717]

>>7381707
all in the game, yo. all in the game

[Mifune No.7381724]

>>7381707
y!jp has time extension on auctions? God that must be annoying.

And you should probably stop talking about it since you're just getting more onto the auctions sites and driving up the prices.

[Anonymous No.7381729]

>>7381724
but babby has to show off his freshly koped grales

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381732]

>>7381720
im sure uve seen some nice theory made HL jackets for 20k.

if it was OG, getting them for that much in 2013 is a very rare thing.

its not like it matters though, any bondage og HL outerwear will only increase in value as time passes.

[Anonymous No.7381737]

>>7381668
pls rspnd

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381745]

>>7381724
its an option, it favors the seller heavily, certain auctions can go for hours after the scheduled end.
>>7381729
if i wanted to show off id post it in the recent cops thread. there was a person on the auction page who made an inquiry and linked a pic of void/user to help ask his question, makes sense that they would be from here.

[Anonymous No.7381747]

>>7381724
>stop talking about auction sites
is it 2001

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381757]

>>7381737
fashion books? do you mean scanned articles I could upload? no i don't.

that thread i linked has a wealth of information on the life and work of HL though.

[Anonymous No.7381760]

>>7381737
are those serious prices?

[Anonymous No.7381764]

>>7381732

nah 2003/2004 bondage stuff, its not that pricey.

[Mifune No.7381763]

>>7381732
>>any bondage og HL outerwear will only increase in value as time passes.

it certainly appears that way

I oughta have kept my shit to sell now

[Anonymous No.7381766]

>>7381704

[Mifune No.7381773]

>>7381764
yeah it is. Bondage collection stuff has ALWAYS been sought after... ironically not when it was actually for sale, I picked up a jacket and jeans (full mummy ones) back in 2005 on sale for 70% off

The prices in the last few years has risen and risen. That goes for most HL era stuff

[Anonymous No.7381776]

>helmut lang
>bondage
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffthahahahahahaha
easiest way to tell someone JUST found out about the difference between "old" and "NEW" helmut zomg!

mif gets a free pass cause he doesnt give two shits

[Anonymous No.7381780]

>>7381776

lol actually they make some new hl with bondage on it u dont know what youre talking about

[Anonymous No.7381785]

why is $730 a high price to pay? most outerwear from "high fashion" brands costs around that price

[Anonymous No.7381786]

>>7381780
you didnt understand the post pigfuck

[Anonymous No.7381790]

>>7381785
it retailed for about $225 new

[Anonymous No.7381792]

i didnt bid, i maxed budget with z zenga sale

[Anonymous No.7381795]

>>7381790
that's insane

[Anonymous No.7381798]

>>7381786

haha sorry you tryied to be witty and fell on your face i guess??

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381805]

>>7381776
whether helmut lang ever referred to his straps et al designs as 'bondage' is irrelevant. its become a colloquialism within the fashion community both in media and privately, being elitist about the usage of the term is just pedantic and contrived.

at least i think thats what you're taking issue with the, the usage of the term 'bondage.' if not then idk.

[Anonymous No.7381807]

>>7381780
The post is about using the word "bondage." Most serious OG Helmut Lang enthusiasts scoff at it (for good reason.) Here I guess the poster is trying to say that you can tell OP isn't really that involved in the Helmut Lang oeuvre because he's still using the term to talk about these pieces, which is kind of right if you really want to get all pedantic about it...maybe he's just interested in it for the resale value.

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381808]

>>7381790
source? a lot of HL stuff was very pricey during its retail release, leather pants for $2400 etc.

[Mifune No.7381812]

>>7381805
I dont get what he's getting at, the term bondage was thrown around by the fashion media almost straight after the fashion show.

I remember cause I had been buying HL since 2002

[Anonymous No.7381813]

>>7381808
i saw the season when it was in store.

[Anonymous No.7381821]

>>7381807

yeah


trying to guess how interested people are in helmut lang based on how they call straps on some of the jackets is kind of stupid though

[Mifune No.7381825]

>>7381807
That's just bullshit elitism. I don't remember ever hearing people "scoff" at the term bondage. And I've talked about HL with people in the industry (albeit Australia) who had been buying his shit since the 80s.

The issue may be that contemporary news about HL seem to reduce him to one collection, bondage, where as we all know his place in fashion is far more than just one runway show.

[Mifune No.7381829]

>>7381813
Then you'll know he was right. I have a Silk jacket from 2003 that retailed for 3000... it ended up on sale at David Jones for 800 dollars.

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381853]

>>7381813
this is the retail tag of a black long sleeve with strap detailing pricing it at 23000.

if the basics were retailing at 23000 idk if outerwear would be 22000.

[Anonymous No.7381863]

>>7381853
Yeah that's definitely Theory era HL.

I just searched my little memory box for old tags (when i was a teen i kept all the tags of every item bought)

Shirts were 230 and the silk Jacket was 2500 not 3000

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381870]

>>7381829
would've been nice to be able to buy real HL from real stockists.

have you got any pics of the silk 03 jacket?

[timber No.7381882]

>>7381813
>>7381829
mif's right. helmut's prices were infamously high for their time, especially since he was still principally operating in the sportswear market; in fact in a lot of ways he set the stage for a lot of other non-luxury brands to operate at much higher price points (rick!)

anyway, it's a cool jacket. i have the matching tank (w/ the hanging back strap.)

[Anonymous No.7381891]

>>7381882
then why is paying around 730$ a high price for the bomber?

[Anonymous No.7381896]

>>7381891
no one but that idiot said it was dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.7381901]

>>7381896
see

>>7381685
>>7381703
>>7381720

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381904]

>>7381891
i paid more than i needed to, not necessarily more than it is worth(probably resell it in the western market for 1200+) i explained why here >>7381707

[Anonymous No.7381911]

>>7381904
i see, thanks

[Mifune No.7381912]

>>7381870
I haven't worn it in ages, I'll get a fit pic for next time. I've posted a few OG HL fits before but they're mostly #menswear style since I still have loads of HL suits and coats.

I still wear the coats and suits (including a dinner suit). The shirts haven't lasted that long unfortunately :(

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381913]

>>7381904
not that i want to resell it(inb4 anti reseller barrage)

[Mifune No.7381918]

>>7381891
Cause it's second hand and nearly a decade after manufacture. You don't know how the owner looked after it.

Also you would have been able to grab it from store for a lot cheaper than 730 new since a lot of HL hit the sales rack.

[Mifune No.7381926]

>>7381913
I dont think you're gonna get the 730 back in the "western" market. Honestly.

The last time i saw one on ebay a sz 48 went for 530

[Anonymous No.7381930]

>>7381896

it kind of is, on ebay they pop up for cheaper sometimes

http://lacollectionneuse.tumblr.com/post/2311017301/bondage-ma-1-jacket-o-helmut-lang-us-250-00-buy

[Anonymous No.7381934]

>>7381930

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Helmut-Lang-Bomber-Jacket-SZ-48-/190679524326?pt=DE_Herren_Jacken_M%C3%A4ntel&hash=item2c6562a3e6

[Anonymous No.7381939]

>>7381930
>>7381926
true that, im a reseller and i see hl bondage outerwear/leathers go up on ebay/sufu for $600 and just rot and rot. the owner relists it tons of times then gives up...hilarious to watch. dont think the markets right for me to invest yet

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381948]

>>7381926
a year or two ago 750 would have been totally unreasonable but prices for all 'archival' deadstock from designers like raf, HL, undercoverism etc. have really skyrocketed.

ive had offers of 1200 for >>7381651 and i think the wearability of a black bomber with the added allure of the 'bondage' moniker would push it higher than the parka.

however there is no doubt that i did overpay.

definitely no regrets however, ive always wanted a HL bomber.

[Anonymous No.7381953]

>>7381948
ok
whatever u say :)
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381960]

>>7381953
michaelkard sold this one for 2000

[Anonymous No.7381981]

>>7381960
I find that hard to believe unless the buyer is dumb.

I just searched ebay and there are stuff there now with BIN for 600

You're justfying you overpaying. That's cool. We've all been there.

[Anonymous No.7381988]

>>7381960
proof? i thought he just took it off the market

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7381998]

>>7381981
to whom would i be justifying it to? my max bid was 820, someone elses max bid was was 725+ proxy fees and shipping.

if you think shitty pieces like

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helmut-Lang-Black-Leather-Jacket-50-Rick-Owens-Dior-Homme-Givenchy-/181277600831?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&hash=item2a34fcac3f

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ARCHIVAL-HELMUT-LANG-MAINLINE-BONDAGE-M-51-FISHTAIL-PARKA-48-/271336450865?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&hash=item3f2ce9ab31

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Archival-1998-Prototype-Helmut-Lang-College-Cafe-Racer-Bomber-Jacket-/271337632667?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&hash=item3f2cfbb39b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helmut-Lang-Original-Not-Theory-Made-In-Italy-Moleskin-Jacket-Fur-Trimmed-Hood-/181273938054?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&hash=item2a34c4c886

are comparable to a bondage ma-1 idk what to tell you.

i have no intention of reselling it anyway so idk why this has become a point of contention.

[Anonymous No.7382001]

>>7381651
>560euro for that handcuff bracelet
jesus fuck the price just keeps going up with this guy

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7382012]

>>7381988
i mean, you could say he was lying but it would seem pointless to do so.

[Anonymous No.7382013]

cool jacket, you going for lunarcore? Would be better for that in white

[Anonymous No.7382021]

>>7382012
seems like bullshit.

An attempt to justify his other ridiculously high prices.

>if you see prices high enough you might just want to pay for it.

no one in their right mind would pay 2K for that jacket. Not where there are so many other jackets you can get for the same money.

[Anonymous No.7382039]

>>7382021
people don't even pay $2000 for used ccp leathers

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7382049]

>>7382021
he doesnt really need to justify his prices given that hes already sold half off half his stock at the prices hes asking($425 basic long sleeves with strap detailing etc. have been sold)

>no one in their right mind would pay 2K for that jacket. Not where there are so many other jackets you can get for the same money.

what are you basing this on? what you can buy for the same money from a retail stockist is irrelevant to the price of og hl. the most sought after pieces are very scarce, the bondage bombers being the most desired.

[Anonymous No.7382054]

Lmao what is the hype?

Looks like a security guard's jacket with a funny curved strap at the bottom.

>Fuccbois

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7382057]

>>7382039
apples and oranges. ccp is still a working designer, you can still buy his pieces new.

[Anonymous No.7382061]

>>7382054
>fuccboi calling other people fuccbois

[Anonymous No.7382070]

>>7382049
bullshit he's selling it for lower and claiming he got that much for them.

What he says =/= doesn't equal market

look at other places selling second hand HL stuff

even your over paid price pales in comparison to his crap

[Anonymous No.7382079]

>>7382057
that's a rubbish comparison

CCP leather's newer

the HL leather is at least a decade old. Clothing don't get better with age like a bottle of wine

wait why am I talking to the idiot that paid that much for a second hand bomber jacket?

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7382135]

>>7382070
there is no universal 'market value' for og hl. each piece will vary greatly depending on what it is. an og hl denim jacket or basic T isn't going to burn a hole in your wallet. by comparison iconic runway pieces, particularly bondage outerwear - and even more so bondage bombers - can easily go for 1000+

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Archival-1998-99-Helmut-Lang-Bondage-Bomber-Down-Jacket-W-Detachable-Vest-/271321547778?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&hash=item3f2c064402

>fairly nondescript piece in an undesirable size sold for 850(or in the near vicinity)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HELMUT-LANG-ARCHIVAL-FW-2003-CHAPS-INCREDIBLY-RARE-/321268911444?pt=US_CSA_MC_Pants&hash=item4acd1e8d54

>1500

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-DEADSTOCK-ARCHIVAL-HELMUT-LANG-MAINLINE-BONDAGE-M-51-FISHTAIL-PARKA-GOAT-FUR-/271338009651?pt=US_CSA_MC_Outerwear&hash=item3f2d017433

another seller asking 2150 for aw1999, granted there is a difference between asking price and sold but this is indicative of what you can expect.

even yahoo japan sellers don't let select og hl pieces go for bargains

http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g104764468

http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d113723785

just because you ebayed 'helmut lang' and saw some shitty pieces that no one wants sitting at 400 doesn't mean that you know what 'market value' is.

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7382143]

>>7382079
are you stupid or fucking with me rn(wait im on /fa/ i already know.)

[Anonymous No.7382222]

>>7382143
Ay yo pigfuck, how much does this jacket typically go for on y!jp or rakuten? And how often does it pop up?

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7382271]

>>7382222
40000-60000 is the range ive seen. occasionally ive seen sellers list it at 1000+ but it never sells.

as far as frequency idk, undercover is one of the most popular labels on y!jp; there a lot of items and it takes awhile to go through them all. i know theres at least one for sale right now though.

[Anonymous No.7382290]

>>7382222
have a look yourself: http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UTF-8&p=%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC&slider=0&tab_ex=commerce&auccat=2084030704

there's usually a couple on there. there's been one for ages at 110,000 but, yeah, don't buy that

[Anonymous No.7382326]

>>7382271
>>7382290
Thank you

[Anonymous No.7382977]

>>7381704
this is hideous

[Anonymous No.7383164]

Does anyone know, pic related pre Theory lang?

[Anonymous No.7383376]

>>7382977
Shh someone will cop it mate.

[ENDYMA No.7383376,1]

Michael_kard here. The off-white bomber really did sell for 2000... Anonymous two posts above, that bomber jacket is AW03 IIRC, judging by that pocket detail. Or maybe SS04.

[ENDYMA No.7383376,2]

Michael_kard here. The off-white bomber really did sell for 2000... Anonymous two posts above, that bomber jacket is AW03 IIRC, judging by that pocket detail. Or maybe SS04.

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7384569]

>>7383164
it is og

[Ernie_Dingo No.7384597]

why is pigfuck suddenly not a complete cunt?

I could get used to this

[Ernie_Dingo No.7384650]

>>7384597

doubly interesting to see him gagging on mifune's cock after this tirade

tumblr manchildren will never get old tho

[Mifune No.7385417]

>>7384650
Cause that wasn't me you fuck tard. I don't attack people for no fucking reason. That's a bullshit cop out.

[Mifune No.7385425]

>>7383164
Doesn't ring a bell from any collections I can remember, do you have a tag?

[pigfuck !!F1hg9EtV7MP No.7386125]

>>7385425
its legit, this is the tag. its a womans jacket.

[Mifune No.7386147]

>>7386125
ahhh that's why I dont recognise it. But yeah that tag is def legit OG

[Extreme Danny No.7386161]

>>7384650
is anyone on this board not racist?
just curious.