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7302823 No.7302823[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

What exactly makes these high tier as fuck brands so expensive? Is it all hype bullshit?

>> No.7302843

>>7302823
i would assume something as obvious as quality of the material. . . .

>> No.7302851

>>7302843
but is it really that much more?

>> No.7302853

>>7302823
Burberry Brit supposed be entry-level pricing for high fash. though

>> No.7302873

>>7302843
are top-tier brands using some silk from venus or something

>> No.7302870

Because if they sold at relatively non-marked up prices, they'd be making shit-tier margins

the less you produce (ie, a luxury brand producing 1000 expensive coats rather than 100000 cheap ones), the more you have to sell for to make a profit

also consider that people are willing to foot the bill, otherwise they would not be at that price

and of course, hype

>> No.7302877

>>7302823
>Is it all hype bullshit?

Yes basically.
People will go on about "quality" and shit but the difference in quality between a t-shirt from H&M or the GAP and one from a "high-end" label such as Rick-Owens or Zara is almost negligible.


In the end of the day it's all bullshit hype that only idiots would buy into. Do yourself a favour and don't buy into it.

>> No.7302892

>>7302877
You don't think there variance in quality of cotton #advocatedevil

>> No.7302919

>>7302892

Cotton is cotton, but please, don't let me stop you, please continue paying 1000 dollars for a 5 dollar t-shirt that's only SLIGHTLY higher in quality than one from H&M.

>> No.7302927

>>7302877
But gap quality is miles ahead of h&m and zara is about the same as AA.

>> No.7302964

>>7302919

you haven't handled luxury jersey

>> No.7302992

>>7302877
lol
you're like a wine taster thinking cheap cask shit is just as good as everything else; no taste

>> No.7302995

>>7302927
>But gap quality is miles ahead of h&m and zara is about the same as AA.
not exactly miles ahead of h&m&zara, and aa is kinda meh.

>> No.7302999

i remember the first time i tried on a dior homme suit jacket...shit fit me like a glove.

i was so used to wearing the brooks brothers blazer my dad had me wearing all the time. it would be perfect for your average american /fa/ttie

>> No.7303014

>>7302995
Gap is miles ahead of h&m and zara. Buy a gap tee and an h&m tee. Wash them. Report back to me which one bacons and shrinks and which one doesn't.

>> No.7303034

>>7302992

>implying that every single blind test hasn't shown that even experts can't tell the difference between good wine and cheap wines

>> No.7303037
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7303037

>>7303014
ok i have tees from both and i just sized up my h&m tee which fits fine. gap is better, but if you can account for that, there isnt much more of a positive difference in gaps favor, other than stitching in the collar and shoulders. better, but not miles. still in the same tier, is all i'm saying.
never owned anything from zara, but my friend sent me this today lol.

>> No.7303043

>>7302877
I agree but I also think that the difference between a store like Zara and H&M might be the fit and quality of construction. For example, a blazer from H&M would perhaps rip a lot easier than one bought from zara.

now, if we're talking about a T shirt, the difference between a Burberry T shirt and one from zara is next to nothing in my opinion.

>> No.7303040

>>7303034
True dat

I don't think a tee can truly be better than a $50 dollar tee. And I think the same about a bottle of wine.

>> No.7303042

Burberry was something, once.
But since they started to produce clothing in the far east (china and thailand) they are just another nouvea riche fad.
Add this brand to the list that include most LVMH stuff.

Quality diminished, and yet prices soared and idiots flocked and aspired to own.

They are epensive because of marketing - something's gotta pay for all that advertisment and product placement.

I inherited a burberry mac from the 70' and a full trench from the early 80's.

Despite their age they are still much better quality than the over priced stuff they churn out today. I don't even know if their most recent coats are even made in england anymore.

>> No.7303053

>>7303040
high fashion designers include a lot of their time and effort in creating something new into the price. you get to wear something innovative early if you pay the premium, but could get a cheaper version when it trickeles down a few months two a year later when mall-tier stores eventually copy it. if you're a fan of the design though, its usually better to get the original, as both the quality and design usually get compromised, and you won't be satisfied.

>> No.7303054

>>7303037
Gap doesn't bacon. And the material is thicker. And as you say the stitching is better. I think that baconing and not baconing is at least two miles. The collar doesn't grow into a scoop after 5 washes either.

>> No.7303059

>>7302823
well, i think that when you're paying top dollar for something from versace or burberry, you're paying for the signature and timeless burberry plaid or the versace design/print. Burberry trench coats and suits are distinguishable from every other brand, you can tell them apart, and they fit a certain way that on one else has really been able to replicate.

>> No.7303058

>>7303037
Aren't those a straight rip off of cole Haans?

>> No.7303062

>>7303053

>innovative white t-shirts

>> No.7303068

>>7303062

textiles vary widely

>> No.7303071
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7303071

>>7303062
obviously i wasnt really talking about white tees

>> No.7303072

>>7302877
That subtle troll
>high end label such as Rick-owens and Zara
>Rick-Owens
>High end...Zara

lel 9/10 well done

>> No.7303074

>>7303042
>Quality diminished, and yet prices soared and idiots flocked and aspired to own.
>marketing
This.

>> No.7303075

>>7303053
exactly, it's like having a first act guitar that looks exactly like a fender strat

>> No.7303094

>>7303071

Ok, then you are a reasonable person, but look at this thread. It's got plenty of people defending the designer white tee. I am not arguing against a beautiful jacket or dress being expensive.

>> No.7303099

>>7303094

what designer clothing have you handled

>> No.7303098

>>7303053
>>7303075
That is an interesting way of looking at it that I had never before considered.
But I suppose looking at the imitated design cues I see in say, the casual sneakers popping up everywhere now (that I think have their origins in shit like those fucking geobuskuts), then this makes sense.

>> No.7303110

>>7303094
it is actually hard to find a white tee even at H&M (which the closest one is an hour and a half away) that fits nicely.

>> No.7303124

>>7303098
also, look at Ray Ban. companies have been trying to replicate their frames and lenses for years, but you always can tell when someone has fake ray bans. they just don't look/feel/built the same

>> No.7303148
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7303148

>>7303094
cotton tees are insanely overpriced by high fashion labels. any item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it however, so it is completely in the interest of the company to charge as much as they feel like, but only make a few. if someone really spent as much on a blank tee like pic related, i would think they are insane because it is basically no different than a gap tee. it's part aesthetic preference, part fanboy. they like to know they are wearing a shirt that probably no one else they know will ever own.
that's the other thing about high fashion is that everything is so fleeting. brands need to keep coming out with something brand new each season. it's a huge amount of work. that's where the hype comes from, partly. people know the cool shit is going to sell out and they gotta cop, no matter what the price is.

>> No.7303160

>>7303148
that being said, i bought a single black t shirt for $53 and am completely satisfied. it was a lot for a single tee, but it had exactly the collar and fit i was looking for. it took a lot of searching around before i bought it, and i just wasnt going to compromise because the alternatives just werent as good to me. i will buy more in two more colors and even buy extras for when they wear out because the shirt is so good.

>> No.7303167

>>7303042
You need to buy the right pieces. My trench coat purchased a year ago is Made in England as is my duffle coat. However, the lines are interspersed with various Eastern European makes.

>> No.7303180

>>7303160
Well where was it from..?

>> No.7303184

>>7303180
blk dnm

>> No.7303629

>>7303072
;)

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7303653

>>7302870
mark up is pretty similar across the industry, although a mark up of like 2.5x or so makes a bigger difference when you produce something for $600 or whatever.

>>7303034
no they haven't.

>>7303071
why not? plenty of designers do really creative takes on the tshirt. i have an ann dem tank that's cut on a twisting bias, so the grain changes throughout the garment, it's basically like one of her eveningwear gowns shortened in length. i have a rick tshirt that's drafted w/ non-euclidean geometry, cthulhucore shit m8.

>> No.7303656

>>7303160
I love those shirts as well, i have it in white, grey and black

>> No.7303663

>>7303653
Pic of the Rick shirt?

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7303670

>>7303663
the double layers are drafted such that the spine seam intersects the two collars at slightly different points, so when they're jointed together the seam is bent into a crooked shape and the fabric twists.

>> No.7303671

most of the price difference is all marketing and brand recognition

>> No.7303685

>>7302823
I have Burberry prescription glasses.
They're shit. Cant wait until Dec. 12 when insurance helps me get new frames.

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7303737

>>7302877
>"high-end" label such as Rick-Owens or Zara
wat

>> No.7303741

>>7303671
can u prove that
(u can't)

>> No.7303759

>>7303741
>implying marketing pays for itself

>> No.7303770

>>7303759
fast fashion markets more aggressively than designer brands
when's the last time u saw a CCP ad?

>> No.7303777

>>7303741
Don't kid yourself, you know many brands have extremely high markups because they know people will buy it

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7303786

>>7303777
c.f. >>7303653

>> No.7303791

in short, the higher luxury brands do have higher quality, worksmanship, etc..

that said, quality only contributes to only a fraction of the price, the rest of it is indeed hype and what have you.

>> No.7303795

>>7303791
also i forgot to mention this includes shit like t-shirts and whatnot.

personally i believe you shouldnt pay more than 50$ for a fucking cotton tee, and even 50$ is pushing it.

>> No.7303801

>>7303777
>>7303791
see
>>7303741

>> No.7303806

>>7303791
please tell me oh fashion sage, how does hype increase prices?

>> No.7303808

>>7303806
supreme makes ppl play $40 for a hanes tee with an 'appropriated' graphic on it

>> No.7303842

>>7303806
see
>>7303808
also the prestige of owning a clothing article from X brand and Y brand, and whatnot

>> No.7303846

>>7303806
artificial creation of demand

behavioural economics 101

>> No.7303858

>>7303808
>implying supreme is even remotely representative of the industry as a whole
sunspel sells 72 dollar basic tees and receives almost no "hype." It frustrates me how ignorant people like you are. You can't fathom in your tiny head any of the numerous business expenses associated with operating a clothing company? You have to jump to "hype and what have you." What rubbish.

>> No.7303889

>>7302823

>he thinks all high end brands are the same

>> No.7303897

Generally speaking, unless it's a college education, there's a reason something costs more than something else to which it can be fairly compared.

Usually quality and appeal is the chief reason for that

>> No.7303906

>>7303148

I don't think that's necessarily true.

The price ceiling for a simple cotton t-shirt seems to be right around 450 dollars. Seeing as cotton is among the most durable materials you can make a shirt out of (compared to silk or cashmere), I think in most cases it's not that outrageous. Granted, cotton isn't a luxury material, but all cotton is not created or spun equal

>> No.7303927

If you can afford it then it's worth paying for the item with better quality.
If you think ' cotton is cotton' you're an idiot. However I appreciate that not everyone is going to value better material, construction, engineering or different kinds of fit. Such people revel in their own tastelessness

>> No.7303949

>>7303927
more expensive does not necessarily mean better quality. not only are there a lot of expenses outside of the actual production process, but there are plenty of techniques that can raise the price of manufacturing something and not really improve the "quality" of the garment. take loop wheeling for example. it's an extremely inefficient process and will effect the final cost of the product, but it doesn't really make a "better" garment. it might confer certain qualities, but that doesn't make the item better, only different. the same is true of selvedge

>> No.7304311

>>7303110
Wat

Your body must be fucked because h&m L tees fit me perfectly and Gap Ms fit me even better. I'm 6'2" and 180lbs. The seams are perfect on my shoulders and snug but not too tight across my chest and the lengths on the h&m are slightly too long while the gap is perfect. AA shirts fit like shit tho waaaaaaayyy too loose. What is this, a curtain?

>> No.7304318

>>7303653
I want a normal fucking tee shirt. I'm not a snowflake.

>> No.7304429
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7304429

>>7304318
>I'm not a snowflake.
Oh but you are my pet.
And the sooner you realize that the better it'll be

>> No.7304438

>>7304318
>I'm not a snowflake.
you choose whether or not to be
why not be a snowflake?

>> No.7304728

ANy opinions on Armani Exchange & Clavin Klein 3-packs?

>> No.7305029

>>7304438
#workwear
#basicbitch

Never

>> No.7305043

>>7302877
>H&M
>Lasting more than one year of wash cycles

lel

>> No.7305078

>>7305043
>lasting more than 3 months before looking terrible

>> No.7305591

>see leather jacket that looks like a wealth of other leather jackets
>4,040
Fucking Ann

>> No.7305702

>>7305591
muh quality

>> No.7305712

>>7302870
it's well known that most high tier brands are unprofitable and subsist on their lower level brands/accessories/colognes/etc

this is pretty much as cheap as you can sell these things and still stay afloat, believe it or not

>> No.7305743

>>7303043
Implying there's much a difference between Zara and H&M. Only in the US Zara is considered a high-ish end brand.

>> No.7305767

burberry brit shirts are ok for the price

150gbp

what brands are cheaper same quality/fit

>> No.7305797

>a painting should only cost exactly the same as the materials and the labor

>> No.7305837

>>7305743
Honestly, at least here in Germany H&M offers better quality than Zara, especially for the price. Clothes from Zara literally fall apart after a few wears.

>> No.7305885

I was thinkinglikep retty muche everyone on tis thread.

But when I noticed that the brands really worth the money they ask. First for the quality but even for the type of clothing they sell. I mean when you go to LV ou Burberry, even if you have really specific taste, you'll find something that you'll love.

But when you go to Zara, H&M and all, you'll probably find a nice t-shirt, a jacket that you'll kinda like but that's all.

And fuck just the Versace Seakers are God-tier.

>> No.7305903

>>7305885

Holy shit, sorry for my spelling. I'm high...

>> No.7305942

>>7302843
>>7302843
it's not though. it's just exclusivity and reputation. these brands are for people who have enough money to not warrant worrying about the price of their clothes. people who save for weeks trying to cop a sweater because of muh quality are just deluded

>> No.7306001

>>7303148
I could literally buy the basic stuff and a sewing machine and make the shirt myself for that price. I'm not even joking.

>> No.7306130
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7306130

>>7305767
Hilditch & Key, Harvie & Hudson, Turnbull & Asser, New & Lingwood... literally every shop on Jermyn Street is better than Burberry and the same price or cheaper

>> No.7306143

>>7306130
Thanks - I'll check them out

>> No.7306157

>>7306130
>>7306143

Why don't any of them sell casual shirts though

>> No.7306252

>>7303858
if it costs 72 dollars to profit from a basic tee, and there is no markup due to branding/prestige/exclusivity/faggotry, there is something severely wrong with your business practice.

>> No.7307130

>>7302877
This

>> No.7307505

What are some brands that have great quality yet don't demand the stupid high-fashion prices where you are paying for the brand name and marketing?

>> No.7307530

>>7307505

Usually that's just the luxury basics brands that focus on a smaller product range, but can spend more time/resources on increasing quality. Think of stuff like Smedley, Loopwheeler, Merz B. Schwanen, etc.

>> No.7307565

>>7307530
How about Everlane?

>> No.7307576

stop saying "high fashion" shit sounds fucking stupid

>> No.7307671

>>7303034
citation needed ..

cunt

>> No.7307693

>>7307565

I don't think anyone would say that Everlane is great quality. I think it's great pricing for totally solid quality, but if you're talking about stuff made with great yarns, with serious quality control, and whatnot, then I don't think Everlane really qualifies. Also, the small product range makes it much more specialized.

>> No.7307905

>>7302877
Disagree.

I bought two basic tees from Old Navy for probably $4 each. They faded in less than 10 washes.


I've never owned a Rick tee or anything because I'm a poorfag, but they /have/ to be better than those pieces of shit.

>> No.7307908

>>7303014
>which one bacons
What does that mean?

Not native Englisch speaker.

>> No.7307918

>>7307908

A term for when the ribbed knit trim along the neckline ripples from uneven wear and tear.