/fa/ - Fashion

[Anonymous No.6553924]

Where to cop high quality clothes not made by slave laborers?

Hey /fa/ lurker and moralfag here. I have some money to spend and I am having a hard time finding clothes that aren't made by slave babies. I have a pair of red wings and a chrome bag which are a nice start, I just want to stop funding sick U.S. paid for slave trade and get high quality garments.

TL:DR- W2C Not slave labor clothes

[Anonymous No.6553943]

>>6553924
that pic, hory shet!

[Anonymous No.6553956]

bump

[Anonymous No.6553977]

>>6553924
Unnecessary bump for interest.
Is it Union made goods? I know there's one store that only sells ethically sourced and American made garments. If anyone knows for sure, please post.

[Anonymous No.6553993]

white girl has a fatty

[Anonymous No.6553995]

there are tons of places
you sound like an idiot who's just going to shop at american apparel anyway

[Anonymous No.6554015]

>>6553995
I work, I have money to spend on quality goods. keep fapping to Rick fuccboi

[Anonymous No.6554016]

>>6553924
Basically every high end designer makes their clothes in europe. If you don't buy cheap clothes, it probably won't be made by slaves.
If your tshirt costs less than $100, it probably is.

[Anonymous No.6554032]

>>6553977
http://www.unionmadegoods.com/
is probably what youre htinking of?

[Anonymous No.6554028]

>>6554015
But Rick Owen is an example of someone who doesn't use slave labor.

[6BoxxyTum=>6BoxxyTum No.6554051]

make that ass clap
bubble butt

[Anonymous No.6554131]

>>6553924
You really want to force Nike and the other giants to close down their sweatshops? You know what happens to the "slaves" (many of whom are children) that work in those places if the factories close?
They'll be forced to scavenge for scrap metals in dumps filled with used syringes or to sell their bodies to creepy /r9k/ people.

They have a choice to work there, they obviously choose to work there because it pays better than the alternatives.
So rather than jump on the bandwagon of some leftist pseudo-humanitarian agenda bullshit and feel good about yourself in your ill informed mind, rather think of the poor children that you are forcing into harsher working conditions all because you dislike big corporations.

Fucking toolbag

[Anonymous No.6554150]

>>6554131
The issue is more complicated than HURR SLAVRY MURALS, but you're a stupid piece of shit if you think anyone involved in it has a meaningful choice.

[Anonymous No.6554149]

If you're a pleb, then slaves probably made your clothes.

[Anonymous No.6554158]

>>6554131
Well some places like apple's foxconn factories bar employees from exiting the factory or quitting and set up nets around all their buildings to stop employee suicide. The workers literally have to live on the factory for a set amount of time.
Children themselves don't have consent in the eyes of western ideals so they can't choose to work, but that's debatable for some.

[Anonymous No.6554188]

>>6553924
american apparel

[Anonymous No.6554203]

>>6554150
No one in those shitty countries has meaningful choices at all you retard. If you live in a country with a GDP that can't possibly stand behind the massive population of said country you have a choice to work for shitty wages in poor working conditions and make a steady living or not work at all and seek other types of unreliable professions like scavenging, prostitution, crime or begging.
The choose isn't meaningful I know, but Jesus Christ they work there because they want to and will continue to do so as long as the demand in the west for the products they make is still there.
Aspirations are a thing that you are lucky enough to be entitled to in the west, south east asia, not so much(and sweatshops are an important factor in the industrialization of nations, they will get to our point at one point but who knows when).

tl;dr: you are an idiot and your beliefs aren't even thought out.

[Anonymous No.6554207]

>>6554188
American Apparel tops just do not fit me at all. Went to NYC a few weeks back to try tho. Thank you for the earnest suggestion

[Anonymous No.6554208]

>>6554150
>but you're a stupid piece of shit if you think anyone involved in it has a meaningful choice.
They do though. As someone who worked for UNICEF for 3 years after high school, I can say without a doubt that children who work at these kinds of factories have a choice to be there or not.
The alternative is trash duty, scavenging dumps, begging or crime. Working at a factory generally is met with pride by the child's family, and the community. I'm not saying it's right, but it's a shitload better than the alternatives.
>>6554158
Cut the Mike Daisey bullshit. It's an awful situation, but these people don't have better-than or equal-to options. Yes, fine, Hon Hai sucks, but boycotting the manufacturers doesn't help in the least. If anything, it makes these peoples' lives worse.

[Anonymous No.6554213]

>>6554208
>>6554203
>>6554131
These dudes know what's up

[Anonymous No.6554224]

>>6554131
>You really want to force Nike and the other giants to close down their sweatshops?
Sadly that will never happen, as the companies forced themselves into those types of economies and took advantage of the poor. The people are forced in those places of work. It's either that or starve. The worst part is that the companies have plenty of enough money to pay them a decent wage, yet they only receive barely enough to get by (not to mention the working conditions and carelessness of companies to fix them.) So, while they'll probably continue to operate I will not buy any shit from them.

[Anonymous No.6554234]

>>6554224
estupido

[Anonymous No.6554246]

>>6554224
>The worst part is that the companies have plenty of enough money to pay them a decent wage
Did your sociology professor tell you this? You're so fucking wrong it hurts. Sweatshop labor is an insanely complicated issue, one made much worse by dumbass, liberal agenda, feelings-based thinkers from the ivory tower who think that just paying the people more would solve all the problems.

[twerk it No.6554247]

>>6554131
>>6554208
the sweatshop model subverts collective bargaining and would be illegal in a properly free market. it's theft of their labor capital and shouldn't be treated any different from selling stolen goods.

[Anonymous No.6554274]

>>6554247
OK, so let's talk through this. What happens when these companies shut down their sweatshops. What happens then? Suddenly the children live happy, fulfilled lives?

[twerk it No.6554292]

>>6554274
this is a false dilemma, because there's the third option of employing them under fair labor practices. it's also a strawman, because i didn't say anything about not employing them. it also begs the question of why we should be expected to employ them specifically, as opposed to people here, or people somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.6554298]

>>6554274
You don't shut them down, you pay a living wage.
And don't tell me that's impossible. I can't believe that young people in this day and age are willfully spouting that self serving line of bullshit.
It's sad and I don't want to talk about it. I'm also a huge hypocrite because I cop Nikes all the time. Gotta go fast.

[Anonymous No.6554303]

>>6554246
lol no. Some countries entire economies are centered around sweatshop labor. Paying them more money would help a bit. Anyway, its all fucked now unless they can somehow get a new gov and economy. Still not buying it tho

[Anonymous No.6554328]

>>6553924
Thanks, you fucking asshole. I just got fired. This board is SFW.

[Anonymous No.6554326]

If anyone in this thread is interested in a hard hitting discussion of how corporate entities create the fertile beds for slave labor in foreign countries through economic terrorism, I suggest you read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.

[Anonymous No.6554325]

>>6554274
They return to being children and the adults take up local trades instead of labor theft by multinats that make deals with the government to build bargain priced factories and fuck up the local economy.

[Anonymous No.6554347]

>>6554328
you probably got fired for browsing the web instead of doing your job though.

[Anonymous No.6554368]

>>6554292
What I'm getting at is, were you to employ them under fair labor practices (which is practically impossible in their respective countries), then these jobs become highly desirable, and the children get out-competed by able-bodied laborers. When that happens, these children (whose families are all poor as shit) have to go to the alternatives to help provide, as has been laid out in earlier posts. So now instead of factory work, these poor children are now rummaging in dumps (which their parents are likely already doing) or robbing people or selling drugs or going through dumpsters for food.

The "solutions" that the western world likes to make up are completely unreal. Shit like this: >>6554325 is completely delusional, because it presupposes that these children's parents will somehow miraculously get the higher-paying factory jobs and therefore get enough money to provide.

It's a sticky-as-fuck question, and one that isn't answered by simply boycotting a product or complaining to the manufacturer. It would take real widespread change at the highest levels of government in these countries.

[Anonymous No.6554375]

>>6554328
Sorry mate

[Anonymous No.6554379]

thom browne

[Anonymous No.6554384]

>>6554368
>fair labor practices (which is practically impossible in their respective countries
The building collapse in bangladesh could have been prevented for fucking peanuts, man. Fucking peanuts.

Every fucking contractor in walmart's bangladesh folio could be working in a fire safe factory for what amounts to an increase of 8 cents a garment. 8 fucking cents.

[Anonymous No.6554394]

>>6554368
What do you think people did before there were factories? And what would stop them form a return to that lifestyle? You seem to be treating making Nikes as a necessary condition for these peoples existences and it is really confusing.

[Anonymous No.6554401]

>>6554368
Wait, explain how paying parents enough to support a family means the children have to scavenge through dumpsters for food?

[Anonymous No.6554407]

>>6554384
And why the fuck do you expect the company that doesn't even provide healthcare to its US workers to suddenly pay for what they see as unnecessary expenses? These countries are to blame just as much as the corporations, Wal-mart isn't responsible and can't be held accountable when they aren't breaking any laws. Occupy Wall Street is fucking broken because you can't force the corporations to change if the government turns a blind eye and then some.

[twerk it No.6554419]

>>6554368
>>6554407
you're leaping around and pulling shit out of the sky. your semi-competent language does not elevate this shit above poe's law nonsense.

[Anonymous No.6554425]

>>6554394
>What do you think people did before there were factories?
They were poor-as-fuck farmers on land that doesn't exist anymore. Get educated before you spray bullshit.

>>6554401
That's exactly the point. The parents wouldn't get the best-paying jobs. If you increase the manufacturing wages and don't increase any of the other wages, then manufacturing jobs become the most desirable. People at the bottom of the food chain don't suddenly get the best paying jobs. More-qualified people who can do efficient labor get the jobs, and the poor, socially outcast people have to go to the next low paying job they can get.

[Anonymous No.6554435]

>>6554394
Factories are the reason we have big cities, they are the reason people initially moved to those big cities to begin with back in the beginning of industrialization, before that the people maybe had a small farm land or worked on richer people's farmland.
You think an 11 year old orphan Cambodian can afford to buy a field to grow rice?

[tony montana No.6554488]

lots of clothing brands make stuff in the great ol' us of a. james perse, for example. and j brand for jeans are made in LA.made in new england button down shirts are, u guessed it, made in massachusetts. red wing boots are made in minnesota. wolverine 1000 mile line is made in michigan (regular wolverine boots are shit and made in china tho).

lots of european designer stuff is actually made in places like romania and portugal (the third world of europe) because labor prices are very low.

being made in america doesnt necessarily mean something is quality tho, take american apparel and their shitty quality for example.

that said, i always check labels because a country can sometimes be an indicator of quality. i dont give 2 shits about slaves or child labor, but I do care a lot about quality, and yes first world workers do make things of better quality

[Anonymous No.6554662]

>>6554407
You don't think it's kind of funny that your response to unfair labor practices elsewhere in the world is "Well, they're unfair here, too!" ????

That doesn't make you stop and think "Wow, I've been taught to eat shit and enjoy the taste!" ???

Get it together man. You can do a very good job of forcing change by voting with your dollars, too.

[Anonymous No.6554672]

>>6554488
AA uses chinese textiles and chinese pre-construction. They do a few final stitches in LA and call it 'American Made."

[Anonymous No.6554675]

>>6554662
"life aint nuffin but bitches n money"

- Ice Cube

[Anonymous No.6554681]

royal apparel sells basics

[Anonymous No.6554683]

>>6554662
I said that to send home the point that you're an idiot if you're upset with Wal-Mart. Be upset with their home country. Your boycott of a multi-billion dollar company isn't gonna do anything at all to their profits, because at the end of the day, every 10 minutes a new redneck is born who loves low prices and doesn't care about foreign child slave labor.So fuck off with this high-and-mighty bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6554689]

>>6554672
close enough

[Anonymous No.6554700]

>>6554683
Don't tell me to fuck off. Movements of change start with the individual. Your assertion that my choices are nothing more than spitting at the rain is a way for you to offload the responsibility. You like your cheap slavery goods. Everyone does. But if A company called Texas Jeans can pay its AMERICAN workers a living wage and grind out ugly 30$ denim that's entirely made and sourced ethically in the US, what's stopping walmart, or abercrombie, or old navy?
Greed. The greed of the people on top, and the poverty of the people on bottom, so quick to shave a few pennies off because they're getting fucked in the ass on everything else. And the whole system feeds itself and perpetuates.

I don't give a fuck if nobody cares about unethical labor practices. I do, and I'm making serious changes in the way I consume one day at a time. I urge you to do the same.

[Anonymous No.6554707]

>>6554700
>I urge you to do the same.
As I said earlier, I don't buy any clothes that are made with child labor, but for me it's a quality issue not an ethical one.

[Anonymous No.6554716]

donate money to third-world worker's rights organizations

labor in India and China is just now getting expensive enough that workers have some leverage

[Anonymous No.6554721]

>>6554700

I wish it was different, but I don't think consumer behavior can have a positive impact here. Moving mass manufacture back to already developed countries doesn't make sense for anyone, and there isn't any real reason to do it.

What's needed is political pressure to force governments to force companies to pay area-appropriate living wages for work done under safe and human conditions, regardless of where it happens.

What's really need is a whole new economic system, but we're talking on a different level here.

[Anonymous No.6554727]

>>6554716
also know that it's not going to be a pretty process

there will be factory fires, there will be massacres, there will be assassinations, there will be general strikes that cause hundreds of millions of dollars in damages

it's how it happened here and I see no reason to believe it'll be any different there. if anyone can think of a better way, they're welcome to hop on a plane and start organizing unions

[Anonymous No.6554736]

>>6553995
>tons of places
>can't even name one

[tony montana No.6554885]

>>6554672
makes sense. gucci does the same thing and calls its products "made in italy." there's actually a book about this kind of scam in the luxury goods market.

btw, american apparel just hires cheap immigrant mexican ladies with fake green cards to work at it's "american" factories. its not red blooded americans actually making the shit

[tony montana No.6554890]

>>6554700
lol, ok gandhi

[Anonymous No.6554949]

- Saville Row (UK)
- Brooks Brothers
- Aldens
- Allen Edmonds
- Your local tailor (the kind that MAKES clothes, not just mends them)

Also use google you cunt
http://www.acontinuouslean.com/the-american-list/

etc etc

[Anonymous No.6555149]

>>6553924
Dat ass, damn.

[officer mario !E5BeYAZCEI No.6555242]

>>6553924
drop it to the floor
>make that ass shake

make the ground move
>that's an ass quake

built a house on it
>that's an assstate

roll my weed on it
>that's an ass tray

[officer mario remix]
girl clean my yard
>that's an ass rake

she took my whole pole
>that's an ass lake

shorty got frosted flake
>cuz that ass great

the ho be asinine*
>not a ass eight


*this line is particularly humorous and well written as it features multiple types of wordplay.
"asinine" means crazy, foolish, and ridiculous. an ass like that is pretty damn insane.
It's also a clever way of saying "ass a nine" as in, on a scale of one to ten, the woman's ass is rated a nine.

[Anonymous No.6555366]

>>6553977
Unionmade is kind of a misnomer. They were actually sued by a union organization because their stuff isn't actually "union made"

[Anonymous No.6555374]

>>6555242

[Anonymous No.6555373]

>>6554016
>If your tshirt costs less than $100, it probably is.
my eyes are rolling real hard right now i'll tell you what

[Anonymous No.6555419]

>>6553924
Check the sticky. A lot of the mid range and higher end stuff is made in first world countries. That includes a lot of selvedge jean manufacturers
>naked and famous
>united dry stock goods
>left field
>3sixteen
>tellason
>roy

shirts and tops manufacturers
>ervell
>james perse
>acne
>our legacy
>loopwheeler
>american giant
>gitman

shoes
>danner
>quoddy
>wolverine
>chippewa

[Anonymous No.6555482]

>>giving your money to America

How does this help poor

[Anonymous No.6555505]

>>6555419
oh, and this
http://www.acontinuouslean.com/the-american-list/

i put that in the sticky actually

[tony montana No.6555651]

>>6554949
lots of brooks brother shit is made in sweatshops in places like turkey and china

>source: i own some

[Anonymous No.6555679]

>>6555419
>http://www.acontinuouslean.com/the-american-list/
>>6555505

Thank you so much for a real answer (this is OP) I appreciate it my friend

[Anonymous No.6556637]

>>6554379
Does TB really sweat shop? Cause I haven't seen any of his shit on chinese sites and they are usually everywhere if its china produced.

[Anonymous No.6556841]

>>6556637
OP was asking for brands that dont use sweat shops

[Anonymous No.6556850]

>>6554158
>Apple's Foxconn factories
They're not Apple's.

[Anonymous No.6556856]

>>6554149
by slaves for slaves..

[Anonymous No.6557188]

>>6556856
Top heehee

[Anonymous No.6557196]

>>6553924
Hey Bonita, glad to meet ya... heh...

[Anonymous No.6557204]

>>6553924
Like American Apparel?