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6553566 No.6553566 [Reply] [Original]

is prince William /fa/?

because I am totally stealing this

>> No.6553587

That's pretty basic stuff bro.

>> No.6553588

He's a chill dude but he doesn't really care what he wears. Princes just have to look presentable in public among the people.

>> No.6553583

goslingcore

>> No.6553603

>>6553566
Is that baby already balding?

>> No.6553615

he achieves the aesthetic he is going for pretty well

>> No.6553623

>>6553566
Other than the fact he's balding, I'd say he's pretty presentable

>> No.6553636

That's one ugly babby.

>> No.6553686

>>6553636
All babies are ugly

>> No.6553718

>>6553603
Made me lol and reply

>> No.6553720

w2c belt?
also whose the dyke?

>> No.6553768

if hes the prince why doesnt he just get hair implants

>> No.6553765
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6553765

There's nothing wrong with the clothes he wears, and I'm sure he's a decent person within the scope of life/prison he's been handed, but you have to remember he's literally dressed by his grandmother.

Oh, I mean, I'm sure he bespeaks his own T&A shirts and everything, but you think he could walk out of Buckingham Palace in Rick Owens, or even Prada, if he wanted to? He wouldn't be walking back in.

>> No.6553790

>>6553768
Because he's Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. Not only does he not have to, it'd be too plebby to.

>> No.6553887

>>6553603
heh

>> No.6553910

>>6553765
do you really think that on top of all of the boring, tedious shit the queen does she actually dresses her grandchildren? have you thought that through?

>> No.6553958

>>6553566
What precisely are you stealing? A well tailored shirt, that has been ironed, the sleeves of which are rolled up to the correct height combined with a pair of pants that fit? Good look trying to reproduce these results out of your JCrew/Abcrapy and Spitch or Hollister wheely bins you shop at. The guys clothes are made for him by skilled craftsmen. Your clothes are designed FOR THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM and made by slaves who don't give a shit.

>> No.6553963
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6553963

Don't know if he's /fa/shionable, but he's a necessary implement. The last shreds of royalty give the English something to hold onto and pay attention to while their rights and privacies are stripped from them one by one and their children wear chains in school in order to learn of the evils of slavery through public humiliation.
It's like how they [allegedly] instructed Queen Victoria to behave on her wedding night: "Close your eyes, dear, open your legs and think of England."

The royal spectacle provides valuable distraction and traditionalist traction. Its pomp and circumstance reminds people why they put up with the shit they do, justifies it a wee bit. William should shave his fucking head and start working out more often. Redefine his office, campaign for positives and be a springboard for change through public activism. That would be nice.

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6553981

>>6553720
>who's the dyke
>who is the future queen

>> No.6553990
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6553990

>>6553910
>Oh, I mean, I'm sure he bespeaks his own T&A shirts and everything, but you think he could walk out of Buckingham Palace in Rick Owens, or even Prada, if he wanted to? He wouldn't be walking back in.

>> No.6553985

>>6553963
Are you saying the future king of England should become a pot smoking anarchist?

>> No.6553992

>>6553963
The Monarchy should be brought back to its former glory.

>> No.6553996

>>6553985
Absolutely not. I'm saying he should do something meaningful with his office besides dumping seed in some commoner so as to ensure the next generation of Daily Sun headlines will see the light of day.
Spectacle.

>> No.6554002

>>6553992
Then maybe they ought to think about becoming relevant once again and actually being a force for change in the world instead of just a two-bit carnival side show to hold off the chavs from burning down Primarks for a few more months.

>> No.6554011

>>6553996
Like what? The royals already spend all their time keeping their relationship with the rest of the world strong by visiting them and showing their support for all sorts of shit.

>> No.6554004

>>6553981
>>who is the future queen
idk but whoever is in the pic could shed a few pounds.
w1c belt?

>> No.6554008

>>6553963
Hey Poet, I know this is off topic, but I the guy you were trying to convince to buy the mc-505 and i just got one and was wondering if we could talk possibly.

you said you wished you could show everything the manual doesnt say or something?
>>6553280

>> No.6554018

>>6554011
The royals do nothing of value now and still cost the country millions of pounds a year

>> No.6554031
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6554031

>>6554004
Nah she's perf

>> No.6554040

>>6554018
That is valuable since they're representing Great Britain.

>> No.6554047
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6554047

>>6553963
> their children wear chains in school in order to learn of the evils of slavery through public humiliation.

You've mentioned something like this before, but Google is failing me?

>>6553985
YES.

>> No.6554053

>>6553990
Diana was such a qt3.14

>> No.6554062

>>6554031
shes CLEARLY let herself go.
>>6553566
look at the pic fagoot

>> No.6554072

>>6554062
she had just given birth bro

>> No.6554074

>>6554062
I think you're trolling, but she finished a pregnancy 24 hours or less before that picture was taken. Most of that isn't even baby weight - it's hollow cavity where a baby was that hasn't returned to normal yet.

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6554078

>>6553790

Well if it's good enough for the English Prince of Football Wayne Roo-Nay, then it should be good enough for some no effort babby Prince

>> No.6554080

>>6553981
I just realized Kate is on a public bus. wtf.
I want to have a secret scandalous affair with her.

>> No.6554099

>>6554062
SHE JUST GAVE BIRTH YOU MISOGYNISTIC IDIOT!!
Im tired of these ignorant posts on here you ignoramus that dont know how to treat a lady first it was tripskank then berry no wonder we dont post here anymore. the weight was because she gave birth to the prince you fucking americunt i should not have to explain this to you you idiot fuck why am i still up its midnight . also why does she have to fit the stereotypical "thin" frame depicted in media? Let her body be managed by her if she wants to be fat so be it but she will inspire many women abroad and 'tis an awesome thing to see you fucking pig

>> No.6554108

>>6554099
half irony isnt funny
ur right but wtf ur post sucks

>> No.6554116
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6554116

who is the more aesthetic couple though

>> No.6554142

>>6554062
she literally just gave birth you fucking faggot

she needs more than 2 fucking days to get back to princesscore thin

jesus christ

>> No.6554144

>>6554108
its funny cunt shut up

>> No.6554151

>>6554142
really 2 days? i would've thought it be more than a week
What about down there?

>> No.6554173

>>6553566

top lel he looks more like a optometrist than a fucking prince

and what the fuck is that shit watch?

nobility is dead, we killed it a long time ago. ochlocracy is the order of our day

>> No.6554174

>>6554099

>fatty detected

i thought the americans were supposed to be the fat ones

>> No.6554179

>>6554151

she was probably a train wreck down there even before she married. bbc is all the rage among young attractive british girls these days

>> No.6554241

>>6554040

>representing Great Britain

no

nobody gives a shit who they are or what they do except for the British (because let's face there's little else to be excited about over there)

i find the idea that they're STILL prancing around doing fuck all with taxpayers money pretty fucking hilarious but quite saddening at the same time

>> No.6554334

>>6554074
>it's hollow cavity where a baby was that hasn't returned to normal yet.
fucking disgusting.
and THAT'S the woman you want representing your shit country?

say what you want about Mrs Obama but at least she has some damn class.


AND ALSO: w2c belt

>> No.6554356

>>6554241
Scotland sucks monkey dick

>> No.6555065

w2c belt
thx

>> No.6555142
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6555142

Lady Di was the only royal in recent memory with much fashion sense.


Kate is beautiful, but she tends towards a very ordinary look.

>> No.6555148

>>6554116
Jesus christ all that fucking botox.

>> No.6555159

Jesus Christ, Kate looks at least a good six or seven years older than she actually is. Was she a smoker or something?

>> No.6555162

>>6553603
im in tears

>> No.6555166

>>6555142
she looks pretty ordinary too it's not just her style

>> No.6555173

>>6553765
twerk why arnt you tripping

>> No.6555181

>>6555173
that doesn't sound the slightest bit like anything twerk has ever said or will say why ... what .......

>> No.6555187

>>6553765
>he's not allowed to wear dick ovens
WHy would he want to? Why wouldn't he dress in what he's comfortable in? Why wouldn't his clothes reflect who he is and where he comes from?

>> No.6555195

>>6555142
Which is what she's going for, she's a real 'people's princess'. She's middle class without a drop of blue blood

Both Di's parents were aristocrats and it wouldn't have been accepted for her to be plain Jane so to speak.

I also really like that Cambridge was so casual about it the affair. Whomever is incharge of the current Royal PR has done a great job.

>> No.6555205

>>6555187
I didn't say he wanted to. I said there's nothing wrong with what he wears now.

Was the point of that post really that easy to miss?

And, please, don't greentext me and say "dick ovens."

>> No.6555230

>>6553566
what is there to steal? it's standard as fuck, though if you're under 25 you'll just look dadcore

>> No.6555241

royals are instantly not /fa/ by virtue of being royals

>> No.6555270

>>6555187
Because the daily mail readers would literally shit themselves
You really think the royal family is gonna let him commit that sort of social suicide? Sure he technically could if he wanted to, but not without pissing off his entire family and a few million tabloid readers. The royal family is built ENTIRELY on image and appearance, and dressing up as a goofnigger is taking a dump all over that.

>> No.6555279

>>6555270
>>6555187
also it turns out i misread your post but whatever

>> No.6555288
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6555288

>all this twitter buttrage

I swear millennials are the worst crop of human beings yet.

>> No.6555301

>>6555288
there's always been retards, just the internet puts them all in one place and gives them a voice

>> No.6555306

>>6555288
yryl string

>> No.6555313

>>6555301
4chan.org

>> No.6555309

Let's be real. Their clothes are expensive, but they're both ugly as fuck. That baby isn't even cute for a newborn.

They're royalty and all, but when was the last time English Royalty has been actually relevant in any kind of judiciary matter?

Fucking tradition, mate.

>> No.6555325

>>6555288
i keep an open mind, im cool w/trannies and shit despite being cis scum myself but this is ridic

like if the baby identified as female u wont know until later. why would u act like he's genderless until he grows up? thats fucking absurd.

nice thumbnail btw

>> No.6555332

>>6555309
>Fucking tradition, mate.
exactly
fuck the royals, fuck their wedding, and fuck their ugly baby
sick of hearing about this shit

>> No.6555337

>>6555325
congrats on having the same worldview as literally everyone who isn't totally mental

>> No.6555335

>>6555333

>> No.6555432

>>6555325

It's an easy first reaction to have, because like what are they supposed to do, like you said? How are you going to know the baby's not going to be gender normative? What are they supposed to say?

Then you think, "well, I wish they wouldn't say anything, because who gives a shit about a monarchy's baby?"

But then you think "well, why do they have to say anything?" Talking about how he's "a boy" isn't just saying he has a penis, it's declaring an intention to socialize him into masculinity. Which is extra inescapable for a royal, but it's exactly the problem for the rest of us, too.

The alternative isn't walking around keeping his cock a secret, dressing him in ungendered onesies, insisting on Spivak pronouns for him. That's just as bad/worse. The alternative is simply not training him to be a boy, giving him the clothes and toys he wants, letting him play how he wants to, not scolding him for having certain emotional reactions.

That he has a penis - like the fact that his remote ancestors were dominated everyone around them - should be one of the least important facts about him. At, what, 48 hours old there are no important facts about him except his medical situation. Instead, before his cord was even cut, he's being treated as "a boy" and "a royal" and Kate is being praised for being "a brilliant royal" for having "a boy" and not "a girl."

For the record, I'm cismale, and again, I had the same first reaction as you to >>6555288 until that clicked.

>> No.6555742

>>6555432
you're retarded

>> No.6555808

>>6555432
What the fuck is cismale

>> No.6555810

>>6555432
Are you fucking goofing me? What an idiot

>> No.6555816

>>6555432

10/10 pest new pasta

>> No.6555825

>>6555432
This has to be trolling or a copypasta. Your life is pathetic. Please go to #tumblr

>> No.6555824

>>6555808

"Cis" as opposed to "trans"; that is a male born with male genitalia.

>> No.6555839

>>6555808
It's a derogatory term used by members of the anti-cis community (read: tumblr/twitter/reddit/confused teenagers) who swear up and down on the internet that the term isn't derogatory.

However in any context they choose to use the term, it's always used with negativity in mind.

>> No.6555849

>>6555824
Why don't you just say male then

Normal fucking average male human

>> No.6555859

>>6555849

Certain people (activists, academics) use terms like "trans" and "cis" because they believe that specificity helps avoid things like hetero normative assumptions about gender or that it helps articulate the spectrum of gender and sexuality that exists. It's really just a matter of personal preference.

>> No.6555857

>>6555742
>>6555808
>>6555810
>>6555816
>>6555825

Substantive arguments: 0.

Also, when the hell did "Tumblr" become a metonym for progressive views on gender issues? When I think "Tumblr," I think pretty pictures of rich people, hot people, intense living, and/or nature.

>> No.6555861

>>6555432
I'm a forward thinking liberal person but this is not a legitimate fight. This is angry white tumblr teens manufacturing problems they don't have, just like the fat acceptance movement

>> No.6555864

>>6555849
post modernism

>> No.6555870

>>6555859
Sexuality is a spectrum. Gender is not.

>> No.6555871

>>6555839
And where in the hell do people get the idea that "cis" is derogatory?

I'm a cissmale. It's just a fucking term.

>> No.6555874

>>6555871
You're a male. Just a fuckin' male

>> No.6555881

>>6555857
Gender is black and white. You cannot change your gender. You can change gender roles or even your body through surgery, but gender is set in stone. Unlike sexuality

>> No.6555890

Why is this even an argument? This isn't a real issue. Why are people wasting their time on this? The crazies whining about this aren't worth listening to, they have no fucking idea what real oppression or discrimination is. There's a reason that this non-problem is a distinctly white america issue

>> No.6555891

I hope this freak shit doesn't catch on in my lifetime.

>> No.6555893

>>6555870

Well, the fact that there are multiple genders (cis, trans, intersex) would kind of be an argument against that. That's neither here nor there on a fashion board, though. Really, if you don't care to use these terms that's not a big deal, but some anon was curious as to the meaning, so I just wanted to offer some context.

>> No.6555900

>>6555890
Because white middle class Americans especially teenageish girls need problems to complain about. So they manufacture them. It's an industry. Look at the faux self loathing hot topic "my life's so hard" emos of 5 years ago

>> No.6555905

>>6555861
My political inclination in all this is to yell about fighting monarchy, not patriarchy, but that doesn't mean it's not valid.

Fat acceptance isn't usually comparable, for reasons I'm not getting into ITT because one shouting match is enough.

>>6555870
I wouldn't even say they're spectrums. They're fields.

Think I'm wrong? Locate Steve McQueen, Ernest Hemingway, David Bowie, Andrej, Divine, and Lana Wachowski all in the same gender. Doesn't work.

>> No.6555915

>>6555893
There aren't. Those are made up. The world existed for millions of years without them. Genders are biological. they don't just spring into being because of social change, little man.

>> No.6555922

>>6555905
Uhh, okay. Male male male male male and male. Some of them dress and act differently but at then end of the day they were all born boys. Sorry slugger

>> No.6555928

>>6555890
Good fucking God, do you realize how often *trans people get beaten?

>> No.6555931

>>6555905
Forgive me for being an ignorant american but isn't the British monarchy essentially powerless politically?

>> No.6555935

>>6555915
>>6555922

Come back to me when you're aware of the meaning of the words "sex" and "gender," and of the innumerable cultures that have had more than one gender.

>> No.6555942

>>6555928
Do you think that taking to tumblr is going to solve that? Show me some institutional injustice towards transgendered people, not the acts of people who aren't going to change either way

>> No.6555943

>>6555935
And just as many if not more had blood sacrifices. Doesn't mean we have to respect it.

>> No.6555948

>>6555931
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_the_United_Kingdom#Arguments_in_favour_of_a_republic

They are, but it's still sucky. Opposing patriarchy is infinitely more important than opposing the British monarchy; the latter just seems, to me, more pertinent, considering the literally trillions of other occasions to talk about how shitty patriarchy is.

>>6555935
*recognized more than two.

>> No.6555950

>>6555935
From dictionary.com

3.
a. The condition of being female or male; sex.
b. Females or males considered as a group: expressions used by one gender.

>> No.6555955

>>6555948
Tell me how much the patriarchy hurts you on a daily basis please

>> No.6555956

>>6555943

That's...really not the case. There's actually a lot of interesting literature and anthropology done on third and inter genders ranging from various Native American tribes to various parts of India to Ancient Greece and more. Here's the Wikipedia page if your curiosity's been piqued:

>http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

>> No.6555965

>>6555948
I'm sure your patriarchal problems are just as legitimate and real as those faced by blacks or homosexuals right? Sure hate it when they use those firehoses and German shepards on innocent trans protestors

Oh, wait... That doesn't fucking happen because you live in a soft white world and you have to manufacture strife to validate yourself huh

>> No.6555986

>>6555942
>Tumblr

Tumblr is a blogging platform. Again,

>When I think "Tumblr," I think pretty pictures of rich people, hot people, intense living, and/or nature.

And I don't even have a Tumblr account.

>institutional injustice

State policy isn't the only thing that makes an injustice institutional, but here:

http://www.basicrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Transgender_Oppression_Triangles-2011.pdf

Quick Google. Say nothing about the triangles.

And a pertinent article I read recently:

http://www.vice.com/read/should-trans-people-have-to-disclose-their-birth-gender-before-sex

>>6555943
How the fuck do you connect killing people with having cultural gender categories beyond "male" and "female?"

Here's an interesting example"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_in_Bugis_society

And the link to "third gender" on the page is a general round-up across the globe and history.

>> No.6555983

>>6555956
So do you think that the announcement of the baby's "gender" was really a malicious trick meant to trap them in a big bad "gender" role? Or was it maybe just communicating the fact that he was born with a dick, making him male, aka a boy.

>> No.6555984

>>6553603
poor guy :(

>> No.6555995

>>6555983
You know those baby balloons that say "It's a boy/girl!" Those are so offensive. The patriarchy's subtle way of oppressing the gender confused yet again. Those bastards

>> No.6555992

>>6554053
but she aged like a car crash

>> No.6555998

>>6555992
I bet you think Royal assassinations are funny.

>> No.6556012

>>6555950
You should know better - you're on the Internet, you have to know better - than to think dictionary definitions actually are useful.

To be brief: sex is physiology. Gender is culture.

>>6555983
But why is a baby's dick relevant to anything? Oh, that's right, fucking primogeniture.

That's the point everyone's making. It's a baby. It has a penis. No one should care.

>> No.6556017

>>6555986
I don't think it should be a legal issue but I definitely think there's a moral responsibility to disclose your gender. And you?

>> No.6556021

>>6556012
Or, to put this another way, you would *never* see people celebrating or ballooning "it's a blonde!"

>> No.6556035

>>6556012
So the people who are mad it's a boy are arguing that because they're mad he'll inherit the throne instead of a girl? Sounds kinda reverse-sexist to me

>> No.6556050

>>6556017
I don't feel capable of making a generalized, non-situation-specific statement, not right at this moment personally and not under contemporary political conditions.

>> No.6556048

>>6556021
Because like it or not our birth sex decides and influences our lives much much more than our hair color. I think the fact that you're so up in arms about this is testament to that.

>> No.6556075

>>6556050
What the fuck are you talking about? This is an anonymous image board.

If I had someone born as a guy suck my dick without telling me that first I would be furious. I'd smack the shit out of them and best part I wouldn't even have to feel bad about doing so

>> No.6556073

>>6555983

I have no idea what you're taking about. I was talking about the interesting social anthropology research done on third genders in various cultures throughout history and around the world. If you prefer literature, I think "Middlesex" is a fantastic read.

>> No.6556084

>>6556035
I don't know the exact UK succession rules, but a lot of the commentary I've overheard is making it sound like him being male is significant for the monarchy. Maybe if the child was a female and had a younger brother the brother would get it anyway? I don't know.

I wouldn't say I'm mad. I very seldom actually get mad about slight shit like this. It's just wanting to point out an unquestioned, floating-around assumption -one so easy to make I made it at first, before I started writing a post and double-took.

>>6556048
And the whole fucking point is it shouldn't. The only thing deciding and influencing an individual's life should be themselves, their consensual relations with other people, and materially impactful fate/chance/God/whatever. We shouldn't be handing children one of two extremely dysfunctional scripts at birth based on what genitalia they pop out with.

>> No.6556080

>>6556073
The announcement shit

>> No.6556082

ITT: fags who are butthurt because this guy is more wealthy and more famous than they are.

>> No.6556097

>>6556075
>What the fuck are you talking about? This is an anonymous image board.

What?

I mean I haven't given the issue sufficient or serious enough thought to have an opinion I'd feel satisfied airing.

And why would you be furious?

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6556103

>>6555998
do you even 4chan?

>> No.6556102

>>6556080

Yeah. I wasn't talking about that. A few folks asked what "cis" meant, so I brought up some resources for people to read up on gender studies if they were interested.

>> No.6556121

>>6553566
I don't like big spread collars in casual outfits

I'll stick to button-downs

>> No.6556123

I like that she put on makeup and did her hair right after having a baby

>> No.6556127

>>6556121
>talking about clothes
>on a a fashion board

GTFO.

>> No.6556128

>>6556097
Because that's a trust violation. Sex acts for me are intimate and vulnerable and I'm rooted in my heterosexuality and having someone betray that trust would really suck

>> No.6556131

>>6556102
Gotcha. We hood then

>> No.6556146

>>6556128
>rooted in my heterosexuality

But you made no homosexual choice. As far as you knew, you were getting your dick sucked by a woman. It says nothing about you.

>> No.6556150

>>6556127
forgive me

>> No.6556152

>>6556084
A. I don't want to open up another can of worms but maybe we should just learn to accept and make the best of what we're biologically given. You act like being born to a specific sex is a ball and chain when really it can be empowering and the true discovery of one's place in the world is tied to that. Look at Rudyard Kipling's poem IF.

B. I think there's a great exaggeration of the cultural expectations of the genders, at least in developed countries.

>> No.6556155

>>6556084
>We shouldn't be handing children one of two extremely dysfunctional scripts at birth based on what genitalia they pop out with.

I think that's less of an issue than your Tumblr-level social justice brigade is making it out to be. I decided to be a girl when I was seventeen, I don't piss and moan about "OMG HOW DARE THEY CALL ME A BOY WHEN I'M BORN WITH A PENIS". Just grow the fuck up, live your own life, stop demanding people tiptoe around your stupid hurt feelings.

>> No.6556156

From a dating perspective, all these "progressive" thinkers are why piece of shit "jerks" and "nice guys" exist. Masculinity ignites femininity (masculine men make feminine women horny. That's rooted in our biology. Don't believe me? Try talking to a feminine woman vs a woman with a penis, see which one is more likely to make men horny)

For you PC "progressives" trying to rewrite societal definitions, you're fucking over people who are trying to look for a mate. And loss of gender roles leads to a breakdown of the nuclear (traditional) family.

tl;dr - this talk is more harmful than you think

>> No.6556157

>>6556103
Le edgy xD

>> No.6556162

>>6556146
Involuntary homosexuality is still an emotional burden on heterosexuals.

>> No.6556168

i knew the day would come when people say, "a child needs to select his gender, he can't be forced into something he's not"
was not looking forward to it, but knew it was gonna happen.

fuck you for wanting this.
genetical mutations are just that, MUTATIONS, they aren't common, and it's not a choice.

sure it's a "choice" but let's see all the young female lesbos who end up married to a woman when they're 35 vs the ones who go back to men.

let's see all the awkward bi boys that pick a guy over a willing hot girl after their fathers are dead.

>> No.6556164

>>6556155
AMEN

>> No.6556174

>>6556168
>genetical mutations
>genetical

Thank you mister super-expert

>> No.6556180

>>6553566
holy fuck her face looks as old as time

just went from top 3 to solid 7/10

>> No.6556181

>>6556156
I've been arguing against these nutjobs this whole thread but I don't think your argument about the breakdown of the nuclear family holds water. Look at the numbers. We outnumber them and we always will

>> No.6556185

>>6556168
"Genetical"
Step it up, man

>> No.6556193

>>6556181
Absent fathers are more commonplace now especially in the black community.

Boys don't know how to act like men.
Girls are becoming men.
Pedophiles are demanding rights.
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517

It'd be a long argument, but I could argue family breakdown especially in the western world.

>> No.6556200

>>6556193
I'm basically being a pessimist and saying that this world is on a steady decline from what it was 60 years ago..

>> No.6556203
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6556203

If the babby is truly a trans-pan-poly-sexual he will probably know by the time he's an adult

99.99% chances are he's cis scum like most of us. Why take that .01% chance and completely remove gender bias from his upbringing and raise him in a white room with no toys?

Who knows, he might choose to be a trans-dimensional poly-animorphic being. We shouldn't impose a 3 dimensional human upbringing on him

>> No.6556215

>>6556152
A. I think that both traditional masculinity and femininity are both insufficient in their virtues to the demands of being human today and often actively work against that task. We need new ideas, new concepts, that we've figured out and that make sense. What those are I don't know, but anything truly biologically inevitable and right will take care of itself.

B. I don't quite understand you?

>>6556155
I don't, and I don't think most people object, to casual "boy-he-him"ing people born with a penis. It's the - heightened here, because of all the royal bullshit, and the loud media crowing - sense of declaring that he (note I've been using masculine pronouns this whole time) will be raised in a certain way to fill a certain function, and not only declaring that but celebrating it is this way and not some other way.

>>6556156
>And loss of gender roles leads to a breakdown of the nuclear (traditional) family.

You say that like it's a bad thing!

P.s. it's crossed the point of no return decades ago.

>> No.6556210

>>6556156
I like trans women that legit look like a born-woman.

Fuck off m8

>> No.6556213

>>6556200
Let's take a rain check on that one, it's 1:26 in the morning

>> No.6556220

Is noone gonna argue about the rights of those creeps who think they're really animals

>> No.6556221

>>6556203
Hah

>> No.6556230

>>6556203
10/10

>> No.6556231

>>6556220
Human beings are animals.

>> No.6556247

>>6556155
I agree with this.
I also don't think kids are qualified to make that "decision" either. Come on, you're gonna ask a six year old "are you a boy or girl" like they're playing a new Pokemon game?

How many girls identify with guys at a younger age and vice versa? Just because a boy likes girl shit when he's a kid that doesn't make him a woman.
That idea is almost sexist in itself.

Plus, just because he liked playing with Barbies when he was eight doesn't mean he's going to grow up to fuck men.

Conversations like this point are pointless, because nobody is going to change their mind, or reach an agreement. Still, the answer is not "give a choice," because some people are still trying to figure out their sexual preferences and identity very late into life.

>> No.6556244

>>6556231
>human beings are animals
>I demand human rights

So... which is it?

>> No.6556255

>>6556244
See, now you're venturing into the territory of Speciesism.

>> No.6556251

>>6556244
Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

>> No.6556261

>>6556215
>I think that both traditional masculinity and femininity are both insufficient in their virtues

Insufficient how?
If it's biological then we should instinctively know what is masculine and what is feminine. But here you say, we need "new concepts"?

>> No.6556266

>>6556203
Pretty much this is the only answer.
We have to say, "look, you were born with a penis. you're male, but hey, if you want to be a woman, we'll support you. I'm not saying you HAVE TO be a girl, but you never know. We're here for you. It would be pretty cool, you know. My tumblr followers would go up dramatically, just letting you know."

>> No.6556276

>>6556247
Or take Danica Patrick.
Girl likes to race cars, but she pulls her head out of that helmet to show her hair off, you get a tingling sensation that TELLS YOU, "its a girl!"
Not like a butch, where you are confused what the heck it is that just popped out of its car.

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>>6556261
This is where we venture into the tricky realm of psychological gender vs biological gender.

And how psyche analyzes the gender of another, but now there exists exceptions to what we traditionally think a certain gender should be. People that challenge what gender is, and the look of a gender.

>> No.6556292

>>6556278
ok, challenge accepted.

>psychology
You know, as psychology has progressed, I'm really starting to think that most of it is guess work, fueled by political pressures.

>> No.6556290

>>6556266
"Instead of going through the normal struggles of self realization and sexual awareness like normal, successful functioning people, just make up an excuse to help cope, because you're special."

>> No.6556317

>>6556261
Obvious example, because I'm flagging on this thread:

"Masculinity" is callous, insensitive, hard-hearted, inaesthetic. "Femininity" is weak, facile, illogical, twee.

Different ideals have been ascribed to each of these two binary options, which people are supposed to embody, whether or not they're appropriate to who they want to be, what they want to do, who they're - we're - *needed* to be and what they're/we're needed to do.

It's time to set those aside and figure out what ways of being people actually are best for what we want to optimize for (and what is that?) and are livable and sustainable in the 21st century.

I'm a cissmale. I'd like to get married to a woman and have kids, preferably adopted because of how ridiculous the earth's population is now, but kids. I'd like them to grow up into people unable to grok Phillip Larkin.

>> No.6556329
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6556329

>>6556292
Don't let your preconceptions cloud reality.

>> No.6556349

>>6556261
You've got to understand that gender roles are both a biological AND a social construct.

We associate women with being polite, beautiful, kind, etc. but are all women really like this in reality? FUCK NO. That means its based off of preconceived notions.

>> No.6556363

>>6556317
The feminist movement has pwned you. Those traits you listed are what are called "vices," you know, dark shadows of what are virtues.

Let me give you an example:
Femininity being illogical?
How about thinking in "shades of gray," whereas men think more "binary"?

Macho: high risk behavior fearlessness irresponsibility, anger
management issues, coldness of apathy--that is, he doesn’t care
about anything possibly even himself--being a warmonger,
toughness, brash arrogance, misogyny that is women aren’t to be
equally respected and/or doesn’t like kids.
these are actually perversions--or twisted mutations--because masculine is therefore offering safety and security, sober judgment, effective decision-making, emotional control, empathy, peace-keeping, courage, charismatic confidence, desire for women, and fatherhood--that is, commitment to raising high quality children.

Machismo shuts out all expression other than its own selfishly, leaving the macho guy on his own. Not only without compliment, but perhaps without female companionship at all, let alone engaging in truly complimentary female companionship.

tl;dr think "complements" not "opposites"

>> No.6556384

>>6556363
And why divide these complements by gender, divided by genitalia? Why should Jack be told to be a different kind of person than Jill?

>> No.6556395

>>6556363
>>6556384

And, equally importantly, did these scripts ever actually work in a way that didn't involve the suppression of individuals or the subjugation of women as a class?

>> No.6556398

>>6556384
You're arguing from a position that presumes a group of men got together to oppress everyone else by conforming them to their predetermined mold.

I'm going so far as to say, we should honor that Jack is uniquely male and Jill is uniquely female. Two different people with two distinct roles that were meant to harmonize with one another.

>> No.6556411

>>6556395
Ha. See my other post >>6556398

>> No.6556416

>>6556398

I think if we look at, historically, how men as a whole have treated the ladies, "harmony" is probably not the best word for it. Insert Louis CK bit here.

>> No.6556430

>>6556416
This is why I emphasize with everyone I talk to, even my students, that breaking another person's worldview apart is crucial.

Your worldview is going to be the engine that's going to interpret the evidence around you. Your worldview might say, oh hey random chance happened to make testosterone fueled monsters hijack a society.
My worldview says, man and woman are given distinct roles. But this world is fallen, stained, corrupt, so while we can highlight our golden age (early 1900s where men were actual gentlemen with ladies), we also see how we fall short of where we were meant to be.

>> No.6556428

>>6556398
No, the present state of affairs is not the result of people actually giving deep thought to how it should be set up, conspiratorial men or not.

That's kind of part of the problem: we're living out the casual, situational, unwise decisions made by a bunch of fuckwits thousands of years ago in completely different circumstances.

>> No.6556440

Has anyone read this?
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

thoughts?
please no bullshit like
>misandry
stopped reading their

or
>feminine imperative
stop reading there

In my opinion, it does a very nice job summing up why "cis" and similar phrases are used to "shame"

>> No.6556444
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6556444

>>6556430
>even my students
>man and woman are given distinct roles
>this world is fallen, stained, corrupt
>golden age (early 1900s where men were actual gentlemen with ladies)

>even my students

>> No.6556445

>>6556430
>early 1900s where men were actual gentlemen with ladies
Trolled softly. Really, bravo.

>> No.6556454

>>6556444
>>6556445
Are you fucking kidding me? We had a whole culture harped on tipping your hat/taking your hat off in the presence of a woman.

>> No.6556478
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6556478

>>6556454
... who was considered some man's property.

What do you have students in?

>> No.6556558

>>6556454
Yes, hat tipping, and the female orgasm was a recognized medical disorder. Are you actually telling this stuff to impressionable young people? Are you trying to trick me again?

>> No.6557576

>>6556454
Women were lobotomized because they weren't happy enough housewives in the early 1900s. More than half of all lobotomy performed were on young women.

>> No.6557619

>>6557576
it needs to be brought back

>> No.6557724

>>6553566
Patrician as fuck


hue hue

>> No.6557760

>>6554334
0/10

>> No.6557849

>>6556430
Oh god the fedora is on

>> No.6557855

>>6556454
And that's a ridiculous and pointless gesture. Your point?

>> No.6557860

>>6556430
You mean early 1900s where women were treated like cattle

>> No.6557877

>>6556430
The problem with your type is the kind to preach feminism and enlightenment but in practice your ideal situation is the early 1900s and the thought of actual female empowerment frightens you. You can tip your fedora all day long but you're not gonna get anywhere.

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6557941

>>6554004
>in the pic could shed a few pounds

She just had a baby. Of course she's going to be porky

>> No.6558735
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6558735

This is now an /fa/ feminism thread.

Pussy Riot.

>> No.6558760
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6558760

>>6558735
Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, of Pussy Riot.

>> No.6558770
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6558770

>>6558760
Yekaterina Samutsevich, of Pussy Riot.

>> No.6558788
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6558788

>>6558770
Maria Alyokhina, of Pussy Riot

>> No.6558789
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6558789

This is an attractive royals throd.

Queen Rania of Jordan

>> No.6558793

fuck i dont give a shit about the fucking royals. why the fuck are they all over the fucking tabloids like kanye and kim, everywhere i go those stupid fucking magazines . u wonder if anybody would care about them if they werent on them.

>> No.6558800

>>6558760
qt, rest are ugly

>> No.6558806

>>6558793
I would rather see them in the papers than kanye and kim x999999

>> No.6558809

Taking a turn to the classic, Susan fucking Sontag.

She was on her drapey layering game when Rick Owens was a baby.

>>6558789
Unconsented to power is never /fa/.

>>6558800
Way to miss the point.

>> No.6558821

>>6558789
damn I put her in google
she is a perfect milf

>> No.6558838
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6558838

>>6558809
Whoops, left off the image.

Photo's by HCB, by the way.

>> No.6558853
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6558853

>>6558838
Germaine Greer.

>> No.6558858
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6558858

>>6558853
Andrea Dworkin.

Anyone have a larger, clearer version of this? GIS fails me.

>> No.6558867
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6558867

>>6558858
Gloria Steinem.

>> No.6558872
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6558872

>>6558867
Britney Spears

>> No.6558878
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6558878

>>6558867
Simone de Beauvoir.

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6558884

>>6558872
Victoria Justice

>> No.6558893
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6558893

>>6558878
Giada De Laurentiis

>> No.6558890

>>6555905

>Locate Steve McQueen, Ernest Hemingway, David Bowie, Andrej, Divine, and Lana Wachowski all in the same gender. Doesn't work.

they were all born with penises, ergo all male
that wasn't hard at all

>> No.6558917

>>6556012
>It's a baby. It has a penis.

ergo, it's going to grow up to be able to achieve an erection, and then choose to stick that erect penis into the vagina of a biological female, or into the anus of a biological female or male.

the important point to note here is that, the penis means its male, and will either fuck male or female grown humans.

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6558919

>>6558878
Angela Davis, and I'm out for a while.

>> No.6558930

>>6556084
>We shouldn't be handing children one of two extremely dysfunctional scripts at birth based on what genitalia they pop out with.

>extremely dysfunctional scripts
>dysfunctional

they work perfectly fucking well for millions of years, why fix it if it aint broke?

>> No.6558938

>>6558917
male sex, but not necessarily male gender.

>> No.6558943

>>6558872
>Compton Cheerleading

Wait, was she always pretending to be boon bait?

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6558944

>>6558919
Never mind, I found some more. Rihanna

>> No.6558961

>>6558930
>millions of years

Homo Sapiens is less than 200,000 years old.

>> No.6558976

>>6558961

implying that other species don't have gender roles

>> No.6559017

>>6558976
They don't have language, cities or space programs, either.
There comes a time when a species reaches the zenith of its physical evolution and epigenetic activity supersedes DNA in importance. We have been at that point for thousands of years.

>> No.6559018

>>6555288
if you follow up these tweets - like I did - you'll find that at least half were being ironic, which is pleasing