/BTG/ BOOT GENERAL

[Anonymous No.17884238]

"Tan" Waxed Flesh Edition

What do I need to care for my boots?
>Old cotton t shirt (one for cleaning, another for applying conditioners)
>Horsehair brush ($10-15)
>Wooden shoe trees ($10-15)
>Light conditioner like Lexol/Bck4/renovateur
>Heavy conditioner (if you live in terrible snow/rain areas) Sno seal/Obernauf LP
>Don't forget that boots need time to dry properly, rotate them an

How do I deal with x stain?
>mud: allow it to dry then brush off
>salt: water and cloth as soon as possible
>saturated wet: allow the boot to dry for a full day, stuff with newspaper
>scuffs and scratches: buff vigorously with horsehair brush

>Should I buy turdsdays/soloshits/doc shitans?
No they are filled with synthetic materials aimed at instant comfort but will not hold up to actual use.
>b-b-but muh ecelebs on youtube said they're good
no. you will waste your time and money and still have uncomfortable footwear at the end of the day. spend the extra $100 and get something real.

Manufacturer Red Flags
>Luxury
>Sustainable
>Vegan
>Unknown leather source
>Made in Chyna/Mexico/Indonesia

Boot Red Flags
>Dainite (Get vibram v-bar instead)
>C*rk/C*lastic
>Zippers
>Non gusseted tongues
>Excessive/unnecessary seams
>Combination/mixed material heels

Previous: >>17881474

[Anonymous No.17884245]

I have 300 USD
sell me on a casual boot
brown or black

[Anonymous No.17884247]

>>17884245
up your budget
then buy picrel

[Anonymous No.17884257]

>>17884247
I already have a pair of 875s and I'm quite satisfied with them.

[Anonymous No.17884260]

>>17884245
Whites perry select

Or

Their new Springdale model

[Anonymous No.17884261]

>>17884257
The Springdale from Whites then

[Anonymous No.17884262]

I want a pair of ropers man...

>>17884245
300 is plenty for a pair of black ropers man...

[Anonymous No.17884272]

>>17884257
JK has the 300 and 300x for ~380

[Anonymous No.17884280]

Who is the most cringe boot/menswear influencers?

[Anonymous No.17884286]

>>17884280
The fat spic from almost vintage style
Stridewise always looks uncomfortable/awkward

[Anonymous No.17884287]

>>17884280
I can't name any in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17884296]

>>17884272
DESU, I don't see what is special about those at all even for the price.
Anyone could make those, they're not really PNW in style, and they don't even have a leather midsole.

[Anonymous No.17884302]

>>17884245
Parkhurst

[Anonymous No.17884308]

>>17884260
>>17884261
Not him but...
>springdale
Looks kinda nice. Guess I have to wait until they release the Springdale Select though

[Anonymous No.17884312]

>>17884286
Lol yeah, almost vintage style not only looks ridiculous in literally every single fit he posts, but he is also an insufferable, pompous fag. Stridewise strictly wears tapered fit jeans and essentially holds onto the 2010 era millenial fashion, his fits are just boring. I think out of all the high end menswear influencers The Vintage Future is probably one of the better ones. His fits aren’t amazing, but they are above average and he’s actually a cool dude if you watch his content

[Anonymous No.17884324]

>>17884245
Save up for PNW
Buy some Frank’s in whatever style you like

[Anonymous No.17884332]

>>17884247
does the perry select have a celastic toe

[Anonymous No.17884335]

>>17884332
Yes

[Anonymous No.17884355]

>>17884332
No the moc structure does not require one

[Anonymous No.17884382]

>>17884312
Yeah VF is ok, meanders a little too much sometimes but pretty good

[Anonymous No.17884385]

>>17884335
uh
>>17884355
huh

[Anonymous No.17884389]

>>17884385
They do. I own them
Also it’s probably in the description somewhere, also Weston the shill cut some open so just watch and dislike his video

[Anonymous No.17884394]

>>17884296
Truman at 400 ($20 more) has a leather midsole.
The only sub $400 mius boots with a leather midsole is franks patriot and it is a mystery if they even make a profit with it.

[Anonymous No.17884398]

>>17884394
They use parts of the hose that would likely get thrown out otherwise, so they get cash flow and new customers who can’t pony up for 600 dollar commanders
Might be sold at slight loss or narrow margins but a sale vs scrap leather is probably the motivation

[Anonymous No.17884415]

>>17884355
What moc structure? The moc stitching is machine sewn for decorative purpose. Also, on the making video, you can see they use a machine to heat activate the thermoplastic toe puff.

[Anonymous No.17884418]

>>17884415
They literary stick two pieces together to make the moc toe it’s a proper moc
And it has celastic

[Anonymous No.17884419]

>>17884415
It's a true two piece moc toe. Alden would be decorative

[Anonymous No.17884426]

>>17884398
The main difficulty that Frank's is going to have selling these boots is taking away sales from their other boots with a higher profit margin, Frank actually sold these exact boots at Nick's in like 2006 called the Ash kicker, but I don't think they had a safety toe option, and they stopped selling them because lots of their business that was going towards their other boots switched to the Ash kickers.

[Anonymous No.17884429]

>>17884426
Nicks does something similar now with their free range line, a limited selection of boots from less desirable parts of the hide

[Anonymous No.17884431]

>>17884398
That’s $225 reduction in cost thanks to using bin material.
Generously guessing, the upper material margin could be x2, so the upper cost for the standard boots is probably around $110.
I suppose it is plausible.

[Anonymous No.17884432]

>>17884418
>>17884419
When he said moc structure, I think about true moccasin, otherwise why would you say “structure”.
There is nothing structural about joining 2 pieces of leather together in a mock-moccasin way, it’s purely for look.

[Anonymous No.17884444]

>>17884238
nice reddit s_oy boots there

[Anonymous No.17884478]

>>17884238
Reposting on this new thread

Why are zippers on boots bad again?

Was considering getting pic related from a Mexican brand, made of shark leather. But they do have a zipper

[Anonymous No.17884482]

>>17884478
Zippers are the first thing to break on boots.

[Anonymous No.17884485]

>>17884478
Point of failure
Also gay

[Anonymous No.17884487]

>>17884478
Zippers create hot spots and a weak point, bad for durability and/or for insulation.

In most cases are an unnecesary liability.

[Anonymous No.17884491]

>>17884478
>critical failure point
>not water tight, so a 6 inch boot becomes a non boot when it leaks
>only fatties need zippers

[Anonymous No.17884499]

[Anonymous No.17884503]

>>17884478
The only acceptable use for zipper is to get a tight shaft like the margiela, so you can fit cocaine anorexic trousers over them.
Disregard all else.

[Anonymous No.17884505]

>>17884499
Ugly and s_oy.

[Anonymous No.17884510]

>>17884286
as much of a misguided heritage larp snob almost vintage style may be, at LEAST he has a strong opinion on something, isn't particiapting in this ultra-positivity hugbox and is willing to say something sucks
probably the only guy that actually says not to buy thursdays
probably the only guy complaining about indo/chinese makers dropping in quality and having QC issues

but his stuff is absolutely unwatchable otherwise, his tastes and opinions are purely based on what's the most expensive, most exclusive, most obscure and autisticly closest to WWII/james dean/steve mcqueen repro spec, which most of the time looks absolutely horrendous on his goblin frame
it's absolutely hillarious too, that he's so embarrassed he deleted everything from before he lost a bit of weight, yet he still looks pudgy

[Anonymous No.17884512]

>>17884478
zippers are great, now buy something and get lost, ropertard

[Anonymous No.17884562]

where can I get the cheapest cedar boot trees?

[Anonymous No.17884581]

>>17884505
Post your boots

[Anonymous No.17884582]

>>17884280
bros will look at this and say black boots are better than brown

[Anonymous No.17884584]

>>17884562
Woodlore in the states

[Anonymous No.17884608]

>>17884510
It's strange because he's living like that on teachers salary

[Anonymous No.17884611]

>>17884562
You don't need boot trees.

[Anonymous No.17884613]

>>17884286
>>17884510
>at LEAST he has a strong opinion on something
he looks hilarious but i respect it for a few reasons: at least he likes something and has a style that isn't generic as fuck, if you saw that guy on the street you'd remember it all day. and he's a good sufu poster. not my style but when i do buy heritage stuff i tend to trust his opinions over other posters.

[Anonymous No.17884622]

Big fan of this outsole

[Anonymous No.17884635]

>>17884622
>neoprene cork
Zero shock absorption

[Anonymous No.17884647]

>>17884478
>4444
they arent bad if you get boots that have extra heavy duty well made zippers

[Anonymous No.17884650]

>>17884247
Made in Dominican Republic, yuck

[Anonymous No.17884657]

Yo yo yo, so gang I be hearing that whites is made overseas??
Is there be truth or are y’all just razzing my berries? Huh

[Anonymous No.17884661]

how are whites uppers imported but they cant generate a bom to export them?

[Anonymous No.17884671]

>>17884661
>bom
Book of Mormon? What are you rose anvil or something

[Anonymous No.17884689]

>mom I lied about Whites being made in the DR again
could have just used you real shipping address lol

[Anonymous No.17884691]

Anyone have experience with Russell moccasin boots?

[Anonymous No.17884702]

>>17884691
no but I imagine they're a step above rancourt/quoddy especially their double/triple vamp offerings

[Anonymous No.17884711]

>>17884689
im actually not the original dr poster i just thought it funny to riff on it with the shipping label printed in dr bit

i know why he said it though. when the chore came out someone pretty confidently said the uppers were stitched in dr and nobody pushed back. its only since the release of the perry select that anyone has pushed back on the claim here

[Anonymous No.17884717]

>>17884711
never did he once provide proof for his claims

Probably ignored the first time because it's a retarded baseless claim and nobody likes dealing with retards

[Anonymous No.17884753]

>>17884512
Rent free. Kill yourself cringe zoomer.

[Anonymous No.17884854]

is there any pros to using a steel shank? many boot companies use the fiberglass shank, i think trumans and whites do, to achieve lighter weights.

[Anonymous No.17884862]

>>17884854
Whites uses leather
Most PNW brands except Wesco use leather
Leather is best

[Anonymous No.17884874]

>>17884854
>is there any pros to using a steel shank?
you wont break or deform a steel shank and its the most rigid. will transfer the most load and keep the midsection solid
fiberglass is fine. my parkhursts have it and they are fine but the grant stones feel more planted and solid through the arch generally but that isnt a flat benefit because you may want more flex
wood by all accounts is shitty fiberglass

[Anonymous No.17884885]

>>17884862
>2023
>The future we were promised
>Still making boots out of dead cows
Why is the future so shit?

[Anonymous No.17884929]

>>17884854
Realistically you will never break a steel shank, it breaks you

[Anonymous No.17884942]

>>17884885
>Hurr durr future good
Modern synthetics have been a disaster for fashion

[Anonymous No.17885021]

Are Aldens (particularly the Indy boot) still any good, or have they turned to shit?

[Anonymous No.17885022]

>>17885021
too expensive

[Anonymous No.17885052]

>>17885021
Yes. Special make-up versions offer more premium leather options and have better qc than the 403/405s.

[Anonymous No.17885060]

>>17885021
Absolute dogshit
They shouldn’t cost more than 250 bucks

[Anonymous No.17885122]

alden indy vs grant stone ottawa

in cxl the indy is $920 and the ottawa is $380
they aren't exactly the same style and the GS are made in china but seem to have better technique/materials anyway

[Anonymous No.17885140]

>>17884478
>cuadra
meme brand for "buchones"

[Anonymous No.17885143]

>>17884689
Whites are made in a factory in Shenzen. If you unironically believe that the "how they're made" videos are real and not just marketing idk what to say. Dummies with deep pockets are easy to market to.

[Anonymous No.17885152]

Who makes the best johdpurs these days?

[Anonymous No.17885158]

>>17885152
I saw some at gayfagboots.com

[Anonymous No.17885159]

>>17885152
idk

[Anonymous No.17885181]

>>17884862
Love that morons have been gaslighted to believe the "leather shank breaks in is good".
If they shank "breaks in", that means they are deformed. You don't want to shank to deflate in anyway.

[Anonymous No.17885198]

>>17885152
tlb and carmina.

[Anonymous No.17885208]

>>17884622
>resist oil
I remember docs used to say shit like this.
Is there a sole that doesn't "resist oil"? What does that even mean? That they dissolve or something?

[Anonymous No.17885209]

>>17884854
>to achieve lighter weights
I thought it was to be "airport safe" so your boots don't beep the scanner and you don't have to then take them off?

[Anonymous No.17885220]

>>17885208
Oil and Gasoline can dissolve some rubber compound.

[Anonymous No.17885228]

Good wood shanks are the best. Light, strong, natural, and doesn't set off the Taliban sirens at the airport. Leather shanks comes next, and then steel.

[Anonymous No.17885233]

[Anonymous No.17885241]

does Carmina use steel shanks?
does TLB?

I have dress shoes from them but never went through airport wearing them so far
I dont want any alarms

[Anonymous No.17885242]

>>17885152
I'm not a Jodphur guy but I've seen some great looking ones from EG and Bonafe

[Anonymous No.17885243]

Perhaps people need to just accept that if you live in a tropical environment then maybe all leather boots is not the way to go, even if they look nice.

[Anonymous No.17885256]

>>17885152
zonkeyboot make the best one

[Anonymous No.17885281]

>>17885228
Steel is the best when it comes to deformation resistance.The only good wooden shank is hardwood, which not everyone use.
Every material has their own application,ranking them "best and worst" generally is so childish and close-minded.
Anyway, fiberglass does the same thing you want wood to do but better.

[Anonymous No.17885292]

>>17885281
>Anyway, fiberglass does the same thing you want wood to do but better.
Except being trad and RETVRN to nature. It probably will leech into your feet and turn you gay too.

[Anonymous No.17885296]

>>17885292
> It probably will leech into your feet and turn you gay too.
poron

[Anonymous No.17885305]

>>17885292
>turn gay
As if that’s a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.17885308]

is there a material that will leech into my feet and turn me straight

[Anonymous No.17885365]

>>17885209
>I thought it was to be "airport safe"
Same, a small piece of sheet steel is actually pretty cheap and your customers will definitely tell the difference if they must remove their boots or not at the airport.

[Anonymous No.17885383]

Wish the Grizedale didn't have a "waterproof membrane interlining" ;^( Would have bought that boot in an instant if it didn't. Was considering the Snowdon previously but now not too into it, and there are like no reviews out there for it. None for the Grizedale either but I already own the same leather as that and I know it is great.

Anyone here owns Snowdons?

[Anonymous No.17885390]

>>17885383
Sounds hot. Literally.

On the other hand, extra interlining undoubtedly helps with creases.
I've heard Carmina uses thick interlining to make shoes that try to age as well as Edward Green does, but unless Rose Anvil cuts one in half I can't be sure.

[Anonymous No.17885392]

>>17885383
Theres a crap ton of Snowdon pics online, i really want it eventually, but not the RTW leather.

[Anonymous No.17885395]

>>17885390
>Sounds hot. Literally.
lel yeah also from what I've read on waterproof membranes in jackets or whatever is that they eventually get clogged up and then they're only waterproof, not breathable anymore which would be less than ideal in a boot
>>17885392
>but not the RTW leather.
Why? I read some guy on SF call the leather "paperthin" and that made me less keen on it. Although I don't know exactly what he meant by paperthin, in comparison to 3mm PNW leather? Also he might have just been talking about the tongue.

[Anonymous No.17885397]

>>17885395
I live in a country with 300 days of sunshine so I only have one waterproof jacket and I bought it from Marks & Spencer and the damn thing is a furnace, every time I've walked my dog in the rain I come back soaked (in sweat).

I mean sure, it's probably the lowest quality waterproof jacket you can find, made by slave labor in Bangladesh. But I hate that I need to use it sometimes.

[Anonymous No.17885402]

>>17885395
it doesn't look thin, but i don't like the look of it.

[Anonymous No.17885406]

>>17885402
I don't know maybe it isn't really. In a way it would be strange that they would put thin leather in what is supposed to be their sturdiest boot. Maybe I've just been gaslighted by American brands. Anyway the only leather boot I've ever owned is the C&J Snowdon and I like it, but it also have a full lining.

Does non-thin leather really bend/crease like this though? Maybe it does I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.17885420]

>>17885365
They make ypu remove any shoe tgat covers the ankle anyway. Even converse allstars

[Anonymous No.17885424]

>>17885383
The problem with waterproof membranes is that in time they disintegrate leaving plastic glitterlike dust everywhere.

[Anonymous No.17885431]

>>17885397
Realistically, what is waterproof and breathable at the same time?

[Anonymous No.17885450]

Looking for 8” boots.

I’m 5’8 so 6/8” is max height or it will look weird.

The Pitina is the most important part of a leather boot. New leather looks lame and desperate.

I like the moctoe only because it’s hard to find a leather boot that doesn’t look gay and a work boot that doesn’t look overly safe.

[Anonymous No.17885462]

>>17885450
Red Wing 877 8" oro legacy. Breaks in fast and gets a beautiful patina fast too.

[Anonymous No.17885541]

>>17885181
So what happens when all the materials in your boot break in except for the shank

[Anonymous No.17885543]

>>17885122
the indus look a little better but they're not worth the difference
if your getting the grant stones wait till tuesday for the black friday sale

[Anonymous No.17885562]

>>17885543
>if your getting the grant stones wait till tuesday for the black friday sale
don't they do some bullshit where the sale is only available above a certain amount of $, in other words just above the price of their boots?

[Anonymous No.17885570]

>>17885122
Don't buy an "indy clone" none of them look like it.
Parkhurst comes close but Ottawa is completely different.

An Anon in these threads asked Carmina to make him a one-off u-tip boot and it looks good but still does not look like an Indy. Probably better made though.

Anyway if you want the Indy look you gotta pay for it. I did and they are very comfy and I wear them all the time.

[Anonymous No.17885581]

>>17885562
they did that last year but i got a pair of kudu ottawas, a horsehair bush and some reno for about $320

[Anonymous No.17885582]

>>17885570
The carmina oness weren't really meant to copy an indy, its just a U-TIP in snuff suede, pattern isn't anything like it.
Bonafe is very flexible, i never asked them to directly copy another pattern, but it wouldn't hurt to ask if they would just copy the machine stitched square apron thing Alden do on this Style. For the last, 173 or 375 would probably be the most ideal.

[Anonymous No.17885586]

>>17885582
>173 or 375
375 looks very good for a casual boot, never heard of it before

Are these lasts high instep as usual and are they also both wide?

[Anonymous No.17885587]

>>17885586
I can tell you about 375 soon, but from what i was told its wider than 363mod, same for 173. I expect the instep to be just as tall, can ask for it to be lasted laces open to decrease the instep slightly by like 0.5 or 1 size.

[Anonymous No.17885594]

>>17885587
Do they have lasted trees for these less common lasts?
Everybody always shows 363mod, 74945, 946 and 803

[Anonymous No.17885598]

>>17885594
I didn't ask but i also don't think so.

[Anonymous No.17885621]

>>17885541
The shank's purpose is to keep the midsection rigid, you breaks in the front, the heel, not the midsection, that would cause sagging in the waist.

What Whites does is actually a smart system. When the arch is too high for your foot, your body weight eventually will deflate the midsection down, the leather shank allows for this sagging to happen. The problem is, if the arch is at the right height already, the sagging will cause it to lower, which is why many report they lost that arch over time.

In any other footwears, midsection sagging is a defect.

[Anonymous No.17885624]

>>17885621
imagine trying this hard to spin improper construction into a benefit

[Anonymous No.17885637]

https://welldresseddad.com/2015/12/03/zips-on-mens-boots-rant/
>reeee not manly!!1
>I don't like how it looks so it must be gay!1
>someone has a different opinion - I won't ever ask them again!111
Kekked hard reading that. Perfectly draws a picture of a typical zipper hater itt.

[Anonymous No.17885643]

>>17885624
One or two generic arch heights can't fit everyone. Relying on the deflation of the arch is how they get it to fit a lot of people.
Of course, it's not perfect as many lost that arch and need a rebuild to bring it back.

[Anonymous No.17885698]

This is my first time looking to buy a pair of Chukkas. I really like Clark's Desert Boots in Beeswax color (I don't care if they're basic), but is there another similar boot I should consider? I'm worried the crepe sole might be too soft (I prefer more rigid soles) and not have enough traction.

[Anonymous No.17885705]

>>17885698
>I'm worried the crepe sole might be too soft (I prefer more rigid soles) and not have enough traction.
depends on your weight and the type of ground you walk on, but yes the crepe is extremely soft and will absolutely be the first thing that goes on them

[Anonymous No.17885707]

>>17885643
that's the antiwhite's shill

[Anonymous No.17885721]

>>17885705
Would you recommend Bushacres over Desert Boots or another brand besides Clark's? I'm looking for the closest thing to the Beeswax Desert Boot without the downsides of the crepe sole

[Anonymous No.17885724]

>>17885721
the bushacres definitely will wear less on the sole, they use some weird rubber, traction won't improve tho

I would recommend White's Kinney chukka but they stopped production about half a year ago

[Anonymous No.17885728]

>>17885721
Crown Northampton makes a similar and more high quality boot. And I think I remember reading some review saying that its crepe sole is harder than the Clark's and lasts longer, but not sure.
>https://crownnorthampton.com/en-se/products/woodford-desert-boot-horween-brown-chromexcel
Much more expensive though

[Anonymous No.17885730]

>>17885698
astorflex

[Anonymous No.17885734]

>>17885698
Skolyx sells some Yanko stitchdown chukkas for 180€
are they good? no idea

[Anonymous No.17885748]

handcrefted boots

[Anonymous No.17885762]

meterials

[Anonymous No.17885770]

>>17885762
thats how you know its not made in america
should be inchials

[Anonymous No.17885792]

every pair of nigs i've seen has a fuckhueg tranny heel

[Anonymous No.17885802]

are boots just manlet shoes? are you guys just a bunch of dwarfs trying to cope?

[Anonymous No.17885812]

>>17885802
>are PNW boots just manlet shoes?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17885814]

>>17885802
High-platform shoes, yes. Other than that, manlets can't actually wear boots because they fuck up their proportions.

[Anonymous No.17885851]

>>17885587
What did you get on 375 last anon?

I'd like a casual boot with a chunky commando sole but I can't decide on the upper.
I have wide feet so Viberg is out of the question and East West only sells F width Whites in Europe. Carmina lasts are all too dressy.

[Anonymous No.17885871]

>>17885792
Did that post get deleted kek

[Anonymous No.17885888]

>>17885792
Allegedly it had some purpose for loggers. But otherwise those curved super high heels really have a drag queen look.

[Anonymous No.17885901]

they need to stop memeing these sir boots
theyre cheap but the also look cheap so its not a good deal

[Anonymous No.17885905]

>>17885792
>t. nostyle, nobitches

[Anonymous No.17885906]

>>17885901
blkbird?

When they first came out I saw J Fitzpatrick review them and he said they look ok to an amateur but the lasts are actually horrible

[Anonymous No.17885911]

>>17885906
>I saw J Fitzpatrick review them and he said they look ok to an amateur but the lasts are actually horrible
link?

[Anonymous No.17885952]

Great thread!

I don't value the opinion of anyone that hasn't actually worn any of their gear in. Sponsored content is an immediate pass.

Nobody has mentioned TJ from The Shop. He looks dubious but is legit.

My advice is choose a few retro workwear pieces wisely and incorporate them into a wardrobe with wider influences, to avoid the costume look .

[Anonymous No.17885958]

>>17885952
>TJ from The Shop
he's alright, bit fruity (wears too many chaps to be gay, also dresses like one of the village people). Quite knowledgeable, kudos to him for being a Y2 leather dealer

[Anonymous No.17885962]

>>17885958
>wears too many chaps to be gay
*to be straight

[Anonymous No.17885970]

>>17885707
You mean normal well-adjusted people?

[Anonymous No.17885975]

What leather should I choose for the MP? Going to be a casual pair and I already have tan, natural, and black in other boots

[Anonymous No.17885978]

>>17885975
>I already have tan, natural, and black
W A X E D F L E S H

[Anonymous No.17885986]

>>17885975
a dark brown to go with dark denim?

[Anonymous No.17885995]

>>17885975
Cinnamon Waxed Flesh
Or
Brown Chromexce

[Anonymous No.17886010]

what are some boots that fill in that gap between casual and dress/formal
like I wanna look nice but not too tryhard

[Anonymous No.17886012]

>>17885748
KEK

[Anonymous No.17886014]

>>17885888
The only way to get that level of arch support is with a big heel, and the logger curve or the dogger type are there because it's easier to walk with it.

[Anonymous No.17886015]

>>17886010
It's always going to be the Galway in a brown grain leather for me.
It's just the GOAT boot, but I can't bring myself to spend so much money.

[Anonymous No.17886022]

>>17886015
yeah thats like...
four times my budget

[Anonymous No.17886024]

>>17886022
Try Carmina.
Oscar last together with storm welt looks good and not too dressy, especially on like grain leather or even suede so it doesn't look too shiny

[Anonymous No.17886025]

>>17886022
Meermin is a lot of bang for your buck but I've heard they can be a little stiff and hard to break in.

[Anonymous No.17886028]

>>17885978
Olive waxed flesh is my current top pick, a non smooth and olive leather would be something new
>>17885986
I keep reading that CLX tends to be flat (vs double shot?) and might crease poorly but the brown product shot does look good with highs and lows
>>17885995
Cinnamon and natural waxed flesh is tying as a second place, I think both would develop a nice patina as they age

Anyone know if White’s will let me order the MP in double shot leather?

[Anonymous No.17886030]

>>17886028
>Anyone know if White’s will let me order the MP in double shot leather
probably MTO through Baker's

[Anonymous No.17886032]

>>17886028
I own Vibergs in Brown CXL, I've no idea what double shot is.
For me it creased amazingly and it looks sick, but I've seen photos of other people's CXL and it has dick veins and generally terrible creasing.

Maybe I just got lucky idk

[Anonymous No.17886043]

>>17886010
White's MP

[Anonymous No.17886044]

>>17886032
double shot is a tannage from seidel

and there is definitely a lottery when it comes to CXL

[Anonymous No.17886054]

cxl doesnt hold a candle to double shot
cxl isnt even good

[Anonymous No.17886055]

[Anonymous No.17886059]

>>17886055
*delaminates at flex point*

[Anonymous No.17886061]

lol

[Anonymous No.17886062]

>>17886054
Preach to me about the benefits of double shot over CXL, it definitely looks better imo.

[Anonymous No.17886063]

>>17885851
Jumper boot in oak tarnsjano, some other mods like half gusset tongue and unlined shaft too.

[Anonymous No.17886067]

>>17886062
its seidel's equivalent of CXL, only handled seidel's British Tan Domaine but I've been more impressed with it than any CXL I've handled

seems to have a tighter grain (creases better) but retains the colour richness

[Anonymous No.17886072]

>>17886054
"hurricane hide" that C&J uses because CXL had shit color consistency seems really nice.

[Anonymous No.17886075]

>>17886061
I think he looks nice

[Anonymous No.17886101]

>>17886059
Seriously? Fuck. How do I prevent/avoid this? I'm taking these into Olympic National Park for a month

[Anonymous No.17886102]

>>17886101
by buying stitched footwear

[Anonymous No.17886103]

>>17886101
>for a month
Honestly you kinda fucked up, definitely a long enough time to delaminate.
How soon are you leaving?

[Anonymous No.17886128]

>>17886061
>>17886075
Pants are too slim for his build, making him look too top heavy. I would have gone with a different tie. Other than that, fairly decent.

[Anonymous No.17886134]

>>17886075
same

[Anonymous No.17886145]

why don't you fags ever recommend keens when they're the de facto work boot for people who actually do manual labor and are also beyond extraordinarily comfortable

[Anonymous No.17886146]

>>17886145
>glued trash
no thanks

[Anonymous No.17886151]

>>17886145
not keen on them, sorry

[Anonymous No.17886163]

>>17886145
I work with maintenance workers and go to school with Electricians and I've never seen any of them wear keens Tbh.

[Anonymous No.17886179]

>>17884238
Need new work boots. Is there any difference between the pnw companies or are you pretty much getting the same thing ? Don't want to get nigs again.

[Anonymous No.17886180]

>>17886146
they last ages for actual blue collar workers you larping ape

[Anonymous No.17886184]

>>17886179
why not?

[Anonymous No.17886199]

>>17886179
The end result is pretty much the same, except JK uses 8.5-9 OZ leather and the rest use 7.5-8 OZ, and White's and Franks offer handsewn stitch down while the rest don't.
Most difference is in lead times, price, customer service.

[Anonymous No.17886201]

>>17886199
>customer service.
whites being the worst

[Anonymous No.17886202]

Are boots supposed to feel tight on your instep or did I get the wrong size

[Anonymous No.17886206]

>>17886201
And JKs, I hear more about JKs customer service being shit everywhere else and from more people.

[Anonymous No.17886208]

>>17886202
how tight are we talking?

instant unbearable pain?

soreness after wear?

[Anonymous No.17886210]

>>17886179
Buy Frank’s
Still offers handsewn and hasn’t sold out or over casualized his boots

[Anonymous No.17886212]

>>17886179
Why not resole?

[Anonymous No.17886229]

>>17886208
Instantly painful, couldn't imagine walking in these

[Anonymous No.17886232]

>>17886229
>my boots cause instant pain
>is this the right size
what the fuck do you think

[Anonymous No.17886245]

>>17886229
sounds like shit's fucked

[Anonymous No.17886255]

>>17886232
I've broken in GYW shoes before but never boots. This was actually my first boot purchase.

[Anonymous No.17886264]

break in is real but i wish the narrative wasnt controlled by retards going a size too small to not get creasing and so that they dont have to tie the laces

[Anonymous No.17886283]

>>17886255
What kind of boot?

[Anonymous No.17886325]

>>17886283
Rancourt Byron. I knew I would have a hard time with these cause they are on an Allen Edmonds last.

[Anonymous No.17886333]

>>17886325
Anon, you're having a hard time because they're too small.

[Anonymous No.17886335]

>>17886179
why would you not buy nicks again
they're the best pnw maker lol

[Anonymous No.17886336]

>>17886184
cause they lost my order or some shit and they took forever to ship. They did comp me $50 and the boots are great but fuck them.
>>17886199
>>17886210
I like the sound of the thicker leather of JK but will look at Franks now too
>>17886212
I will but want another pair to have while I send them in.

[Anonymous No.17886339]

>>17886336
>I like the sound of the thicker leather of JK but will look at Franks now too
I'd 100% recommend Franks over JKs.
How did the Nicks fit?
If they fit you well you should tell them your size over email and ask for a recommendation in their size.
You should do this for Frank's too, but their customer service is great so that is less of a problem than with JK where you might get ghosted if it doesn't fit.

[Anonymous No.17886340]

>>17886202
probably have them on the wrong feet

[Anonymous No.17886342]

>>17886336
Also you should just get these resoled by Franks.
That is the whole point of these boots is that you can resole them several times and then rebuild them even more.

[Anonymous No.17886344]

>>17886339
I filled out a fit sheet and sent it in. The boots fit perfectly. Had them about 3 years and they just keep getting more comfortable, like a well worn pair of gloves or something. Definitely would do the fit sheet again.

[Anonymous No.17886345]

>>17886342
pretty sure anon needs an additional pair before sending a pair off to repair

[Anonymous No.17886350]

>>17886344
Anon, there is no need to do a fit sheet again when you have a pair of PNW boots that fit perfect. For one Frank owned/ ran Nick's for 22 years he's very knowledge able with what size you would be in Franks vs Nicks, and 2 even the other brands have lots of experience in fitting people with good fitting boots from other PNW brands.
Look into the Patriot boot from Franks if you need a boot in between a resole.
>>17886345
Yeah probably.

[Anonymous No.17886351]

>>17886342
this>>17886345
and the two pairs together will surely last til I die

[Anonymous No.17886353]

>>17886336
>>17886339
idk what lasts JK uses but nicks and franks both use the same 55 last so you should be the same size
franks fit sheet is more comprehensive than nicks so i'd probably still recommend filling one out just so you say you did and they have your info on file

[Anonymous No.17886357]

>>17886353
JK uses a 55 last but the sizing is different, and Nicks and Franks use different sizing too I'm pretty sure.

[Anonymous No.17886364]

>>17886357
nicks and franks use different sizing methodology (nicks says size with brannock whilst standing, franks sitting) but i come out to the same size in both (at least on paper)
have a pair of nicks on order, might scoop some franks rainiers during black friday so we'll see how they compare

[Anonymous No.17886368]

>>17886364
For me, Nicks says 7.5 D, while Frank's is 7E both in 55 last.

[Anonymous No.17886371]

>>17884689
>>17884711
>>17885143
Whites just emailed me back, "dear customer, I am happy to inform you our uppers are made in Dominican Republic, Caio! - Whites"

[Anonymous No.17886375]

>>17886371
You know this is fake because it's in English and not Spanish.

[Anonymous No.17886380]

>>17886371
the funniest part about all the assmad is as long as it passed qc it makes no difference

[Anonymous No.17886381]

>>17886351
Did you get a custom sized upper or a custom last?

[Anonymous No.17886442]

>>17886381
Ya the upper was made to my measurements so that makes it custom. My foot did not need a custom last and is just a standard size.

[Anonymous No.17886446]

>>17886442
It's worth getting the fit sheet for the upper then.
But you should still tell them about your size in nicks.

[Anonymous No.17886453]

>we take our QC very seriously
t. thursdays

[Anonymous No.17886491]

>>17886453
uhhmmm sweaty those are special editions tyvm

[Anonymous No.17886493]

>>17886491
christ look at the fucking mexican sloppy work

[Anonymous No.17886553]

grant stone bros...?

[Anonymous No.17886554]

>>17886103
February. REI has a good return policy I guess so I can bring 'em back... What should I get instead?

[Anonymous No.17886556]

>>17886553
lmao jesus

[Anonymous No.17886558]

>>17886554
https://franksboots.com/collections/the-patriot
One of these 100% if they're in stock in your size, just use the size guide.
If none of them are in stock in your size then I'd say to order it still, but you'll have less time to break them in, I got mine after a couple months of waiting just recently.

[Anonymous No.17886564]

>>17886556
>>17886553
I mean it's how their prices are so low
despite being made in china, their QC is pretty much what they're not known for. the old chinese ladies in those shops know how to make a good boot and they don't get paid a lot, which is reflected in the boot price
I actually dread them ever relocating their construction because prices will increase by 60% but quality won't change

[Anonymous No.17886571]

>>17886553
its not a secret. its on the boots themselves
theyre still finished better than any a*erican boot

[Anonymous No.17886577]

thinking of getting suede boots
never owned suede anything in my life. how do I take care of it?

[Anonymous No.17886582]

>>17886577
Keep it out of water
Don't cut or seriously bruise it (scuffs can just be rubbed out)
If you're going to get suede might as well shoot for a fun color since that's really all suede has going for it. If you just want a boot you never need to polish you're better off getting roughout.

[Anonymous No.17886587]

>>17886577
theyre actually not hard to deal with
coat them day 1 if not repello
regular horsehair to dust them off
brass brush to lift the nap
buy a spray conditioner in like a year and youre fine

[Anonymous No.17886592]

>>17886577
Brush them down daily with a horsehair brush in a single direction. Bick 4 in a spritzer bottle and spray it once a year. There are special brass / eraser brushes for suede if you get mud on it.

[Anonymous No.17886597]

>>17886582
>>17886587
>>17886592
any concerns in a tropical environment?

[Anonymous No.17886598]

>>17886597
no
just dont wear them everyday like a retard

[Anonymous No.17886601]

>>17886597
get a boot dryer

[Anonymous No.17886622]

>>17886014
It is not the only way.

[Anonymous No.17886624]

>>17886622
What other way?

[Anonymous No.17886626]

>>17886061
When will people learn to stop wearing tan shoes with dark suit?

[Anonymous No.17886627]

>>17886067
So you have not fondled Double shot still judge that it is better than CXL?

[Anonymous No.17886632]

>>17886627
anything is better than cxl lmao

[Anonymous No.17886633]

>>17886202
There is no celastic on the instep so you can BrEak THEm iN, who care about proper sizing.

[Anonymous No.17886634]

>>17886627
double shot makes cxl look like argentinian mystery eat

[Anonymous No.17886636]

how long until seidel does a better version of waxed flesh now that they've got double shot down

[Anonymous No.17886637]

>>17886624
Whatever the German orthopedic Schumacher are doing. Also, looks at Saint Crispin and Stefano Bemer, their arch support is excellent without giant platform heel.

[Anonymous No.17886639]

>>17886637
Probably not the same level of arch support.
Obviously there can be arch support without the archease last, but not the same amount and it won't have the same effect because of that.
Custom ortthopedics can give you the same amount, but they cost thousands of dollars and require a shoe to be much larger than your normal size.

[Anonymous No.17886645]

>>17886639
No no, not orthotic, which is what you are thinking of. Im talking orthopedic last. They can give you easily that meme amount of arch without a need for high heel acting as a stilt.

[Anonymous No.17886648]

>>17886645
What many will do is just extend the heel counter so that it hugs your arch.

[Anonymous No.17886658]

>>17886648>>17886648

You are talking about St Crispin. It is not that simple, not just long heel counter alone. And most certainly orthopedic schumacher do more than just that.

[Anonymous No.17886659]

>>17886658
the phrase you keep looking for and someone failing to find is "shoe maker".

[Anonymous No.17886711]

[Anonymous No.17886738]

>>17886371
"Estimado cliente, nos complace informarle de que nuestros uppers están hechos en la República Dominicana, ¡Chao!" -Blanco's.

[Anonymous No.17886904]

I am looking for some black boots that are affordable (goes on sale under 200 euros) and fashion oriented (aka I wont use them for work or hiking, I just want them to look cool)

The only brand I found that fits this is Dr Marten. I know they fell off hard since the 90s, but is their build quality decent for everyday use?
Also, I’m open for any other recs in this category

[Anonymous No.17886932]

What are some more barefoot shoe enjoyer friendly boots that aren't literal barefoot boots?

Some out of the top of my head, sort of ordered by budget:

Jim Greens
US Military boots (tend to always come in wide widths)
Corcoran Jump boots
Nicks' Munson-ish last (Gamebreaker for the non-logger heell)
Japanese Americana munson boot """repros""", John Lofgren

[Anonymous No.17886961]

I really, really like this boot. But online Chuds will call me gay for wearing it. What do?

[Anonymous No.17886975]

>whites shitposter is literally the owner of nigs
That’s why we buy from based Frank’s, he’s not a scumfuck

[Anonymous No.17886983]

>>17886975
How much do you get paid for promote whties?

[Anonymous No.17886988]

>>17886983
I'm not promoting anyone.
Buy Frank's Boots

[Anonymous No.17886992]

THERE'S MOLD IN THE TOE OF MY BOOT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.17886995]

>>17886992
>he didn't use shoe trees or desiccant packs

[Anonymous No.17887001]

>>17886961
I'll call you gay even if you don't wear it, make of that what you will

[Anonymous No.17887009]

>>17886961
just buy them faggot

[Anonymous No.17887012]

>>17886975
White's bros our response?

[Anonymous No.17887061]

>>17886904
I will forever be a shill for Steel Boots if someone is looking to buy Doc alternatives in euros.
https://www.steel-boots.com/boots/8-eyelets-boots

On average quality of leather as Marten's, some options with better leather.
Sole can be repaired multiple times, unlike Marten's. I have a pair of these since decades, had to be re-soled once. It cost just a couple of euros and a few hours, any shoemaker can do it for you. Marten's just goes to landfill after a year or two of regular wear.

The con is that it doesn't give you that sneaker-like cushioning like Marten's does (that's why the sole lasts so long btw). But... I bought a size larger and added my own cushy leather sole. Still very comfy.
Made in a former Bata factory, if you're into Bata history. (You should be. lol)

You do need a week or so to break these in! I mean it doesn't go just for these boots, applies to Marten's as well I guess.

[Anonymous No.17887065]

>>17887061
>that toe spring
Imagine standing on those for more than 5 min

[Anonymous No.17887066]

>>17886063
now that is some hot stuff

[Anonymous No.17887080]

>>17884247
thoughts on 6" vs 8" ?

[Anonymous No.17887089]

>>17887080
I’m a fan of the 8”
Way better support and if you don’t want/need as much one day you can just not lace it fully
Plus I feel the leather breaks better on taller boots over a 6”

[Anonymous No.17887096]

>>17886992
you shouldn't have looked
cant fear what you dont know is there

[Anonymous No.17887111]

>>17887065
The toe spring is precisely the point, it's so much fun!
When we are bored with friends, they literally stand on my steel toe cap. Fun shoes.
If you have any way to try these, do it just for fun. They're sold in basically every rock/metal/etc type of store all over Europe.
If you want to make it look more cool >>17886904 remember that some people just take their sharpest knife and cut a tiny bit off the very front of the toe... To expose the steel part.
There are styling options for sure. With different laces, too, obviously.

[Anonymous No.17887118]

>>17887080
I just purchased a 9" boot.

What am I in for?

t. never had anything more than 6"

[Anonymous No.17887123]

>>17887118
glorious ankle support

[Anonymous No.17887146]

I know asked this before but can’t find the answer. Can anyone identify these boots?

[Anonymous No.17887150]

>>17887146
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.17887179]

>>17887150
allen edmonds higgins mill

[Anonymous No.17887183]

>>17887096
MY FEET ARE GONNA START GROWING MOLD

[Anonymous No.17887200]

>>17886932
I'm not familiar with any of those models, but from what I remember of trying out barefoot shit: If any of those have a raised, thick boot heel then they cannot be considered "barefoot" footwear.
The whole thing about barefoot shoes is that they're flat and have no heel because you're not heelstriking hence the massive cushioned heel being an unnecessary hindrance.
Trying to walk barefoot style in a pair of anything with a regular boot/shoe heel is cumbersome and not recommended, whether it's an actual visible heel on the outsole or something deceptively flat on the outside like some danner military boots but with a cushioned inclining insole on the inside, it doesn't matter.
The sole also has to be very flexible and not some rigid commando sole too.
I've not heard of any serious bootmaker making anything barefoot style.

[Anonymous No.17887207]

>>17887061
Literally a Solovair knockoff boot made in Slovakia. Would like to see a review on these.

[Anonymous No.17887227]

>>17887200
this barefoot shit is new age pseudoscience perpetuated by people that think mall shoes are the end-all be-all and since they can't find wide widths there, everyone must return to monke and wear unsupportive chinesium foot condoms, because that is the cheapest garbage that will fit their mangled feet

[Anonymous No.17887230]

Showed my wife the Rose Anvil x Whites boots and she just said "Those are pretty for women's boots"
kek

[Anonymous No.17887242]

>>17887183
just wipe inside with white vinegar and air dry

[Anonymous No.17887272]

grant stone is starting a 20% off over $400 tomorrow
$320 for a boot is not the cheapest but youd be hard pressed to find anything better at that price

[Anonymous No.17887283]

>>17887272
how do you know it's tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.17887286]

>>17887272
none of their boots are over $400 alone (exect fugly ostrich) and boot care and socks don't contribute to the total
you need to buy 2 boots to qualify for the discount
always been like that

[Anonymous No.17887290]

>>17887207
These are much cheaper, so they're better, considering soloshits are literal garbage. There's your review.

[Anonymous No.17887296]

>>17887290
If solovair is shit, then dr martens is the ultimate shit?

[Anonymous No.17887298]

>>17887296
They're the exact same garbage, and chances are docs will be a bit less garbage. Docs are also cheaper and go on sale more often, so if you want a garbage ugly boot, you might as well get docs. Soloshit literally don't even have properly put together pairs. All of their stock is literal trash.

[Anonymous No.17887311]

>>17887298
Super cool lines bro. Glad they gave you such enduring butthurt.

[Anonymous No.17887316]

>>17887311
Buy an ad.

[Anonymous No.17887325]

>>17887296
two sides of the same shit coin

[Anonymous No.17887326]

>>17887298
My wife has a pair of these. They look cute and have held up well after multiple years, even through wearing them during the winter.

They aren't high quality, but the few pairs I've handled in person all seem to get the job done.

[Anonymous No.17887329]

>>17887326
You aint got no wife.

[Anonymous No.17887330]

>>17887272
>>17887283
>>17887286
Is the Field boot cool or nah?

[Anonymous No.17887336]

lol

[Anonymous No.17887338]

>>17887336
>vegan leather
rip

[Anonymous No.17887343]

>>17887338
Tik-tok cow-killers

[Anonymous No.17887354]

>>17887286
>you need to buy 2 boots to qualify
no. just pick up little extras you need like conditioner, brushes, laces etc.

[Anonymous No.17887355]

>>17887330
just like the brass I flip between thinking its nice and its awful multiple times per day

[Anonymous No.17887359]

>>17886453
Some variations are expected and normal and in fact here's why that's a GOOD THING.

[Anonymous No.17887360]

>>17887290
Also OP was looking for good looking boots under €200 not good boots, so what is there to review? If OP likes the looks, they should go for it, if they don't, they shouldn't.
Even if they went the Shein/Asos/Zara/whatever Chinese shit route for the looks, they would hardly get leather boots for this price.

They Solovair and Doc Martens might look alike in person but Steel's soles look completely different from those two. More matte on the Steel vs shiny on Solovair and Docs. Also you plant your feet differently as you walk in the Steel ones, it's a more commanding walk due to the steel toe insert and the thicker sole. In Docs/Solovair you walk more of a sneaker kind of walk cause of the softer, thinner sole.
If you need any more reviews... Go to any metal show ever.

[Anonymous No.17887363]

>>17887330
not a fan of the extra seam on the moc

[Anonymous No.17887367]

>>17887355
I need a definite answer please as I cannot think for myself nor dress myself

[Anonymous No.17887371]

the sprung toe doesn't actually look that sprung toe at all

[Anonymous No.17887372]

>>17887367
Everyone in this general dresses like middle aged men, you shouldnt take fashion advice from anybody gere

[Anonymous No.17887375]

>>17886063
Skoak? Those are great.
Tarnsjo is one of the options I was thinking about, but I'd have to go with a captoe like yours to avoid bad creasing.
I have also thought about armagnac hatch shell in plain toe version but not sure how versatile that is.

Another option I thought of is some kind of dark brown Zug if Bonafe has it (I know they have the burgundy Zug) which due to its thickness could also risk going plaintoe.

[Anonymous No.17887405]

>>17886904
No, it's not. I've owned a few docs/solovair, my girlfriend owns a few docs, and I can tell you that the shoes are absolute dogshit. Frankly your new options at $200 are limited. I can tell you that off the bat that even if you think Docs look classic, you don't care about the quality control issues, or the horrible leather, or the fact that they're overpriced, you will be disappointed. They have absolutely no underfoot support, they do not hold up even for everyday use, they're disposable products made to replicate something that was popular 30 years ago but fails in that regard. Last year I bought a pair of $270 (retail price) MIE Docs and was actually shocked at first at how uncomfortable they were. Ended up selling them and getting a pair of Diemme. Honestly for $200 you can find something half-way decent from any number of brands. Made in italy brands like Diemme, Fracap, Astorflex are all usually under $200. Lower tier made in UK brands can be found easily, you could always get Danner for under $200, Grenson has models with pretty similar looks to Docs. Honestly just thrifting/ebaying shoes is your best bet.

[Anonymous No.17887406]

I want some kudu boots so fucking bad

[Anonymous No.17887416]

>>17887061
They look good, but they arent my style anymore. I would have loved them when I was to be a metalhead

>>17887405
Thanks for the insight. Diemme was another brand I was eyeing, I’ll just save up for a good looking pair

[Anonymous No.17887424]

>>17887406
>oh your boots look dirty anon
how do you respond without sounding mad

[Anonymous No.17887429]

>>17887406
I like the reverse kudu more, the colour is awesome. It's a pity I feel like all grant stone product is more or less the same, I can't justify buying several shoes there.

[Anonymous No.17887432]

>>17887360
Didn't ask.

[Anonymous No.17887435]

If I wear Solovairs. Can I get an alt GF?

[Anonymous No.17887437]

>>17887200
There are 3 parts to barefoot shoes:
1 thin soles so you can fel the ground
2 no drop - the heel stuff you're refering to
3 wide toeboxes that don't push your big to inwards

I don't really care for #1 and am willing to give up #2 to have more options, but I **really** care about #3.

Maybe I should have said "foot shaped toebox" as opposed to "barefoot".

[Anonymous No.17887438]

>>17887424
ACTUALLY this leather is from a very rare antelope in south africa which is hunted by white poachers specifically for my boots.
The leather looks the way it does because the antelope likes to scratch its butt on sticks and rocks. It's natural variation that is expected and desired and actually here's why it's a GOOD THING.

[Anonymous No.17887443]

>>17887435
yes but not those

[Anonymous No.17887447]

>>17887435
No but you might be able to get an alt bf. Because you gay.

[Anonymous No.17887448]

>>17887435
no because alt girls don't like alt men

[Anonymous No.17887450]

>>17887435
no because men who wear these don't like girls

[Anonymous No.17887451]

>>17887448
This too. Alt bitches are frauds.

[Anonymous No.17887453]

>>17887406
tempted to condition my grey kudus now

[Anonymous No.17887454]

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>clearly not what I mean from like 6 examples
>picrel is like 600 USD

nigga really hit me with the return to monke when he can't even read a 4chan reply

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>>17887179
Awesome. Thank you.