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Non sperging and tarding /btg/

We discuss boots and outfits with boots here.

>> No.17457156

>>17457135
I goddamn love carminas and how they look but there's no fucking way any other outfit besides a suit looks that good with them, right?

>> No.17457169

>>17457156
Suppose you are talking about their dressy shoes options, a crisp pair of slacks is a good start, then working your way up top, you either can get a sport coat, or more casual options that look good with slacks like shacket, truckers, safari.
If the shoes are derby, can swap slacks out for chinos.

>> No.17457172

>>17457135
Is it really that comfortable having shell leather grip your ankles that tightly?

>> No.17457205

>RM Williams arrived
>Feel a little loose
Is this just the nature of Chelsea boots, or should I return? Measured according to the site, but it's just a little off. Bit more room in the toe box than they say there should be, heel lifts higher than they say it should during break in.

>> No.17457221

>>17457205
Just a normal case of the last does not work for your feet.

>> No.17457342
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>>17457135
i got these a month ago in a size 9.5 US.. i wear a size 10, they seem to fit well enough with just a bit of clearance at the ends which is entirely normal for shoes of course (~0.2 inches). but i keep getting heel slippage and it's driving me fucking insane, nothing bad when i'm wearing them but if i even begin to crease the shoes as i walk i begin to feel slippage. and as i've stated they fit everywhere else fine, as i did try heel tabs and it made the shoe too cramped, any help?

>> No.17457343

>>17457342
i should clarify that they're Solovair "Monkey Shoes". i used to be a fucking retard who wore Converse all the time so this is a slight step above for me at least.

>> No.17457501

>>17457221
Damn, are these boots just out of the question for me? No sizing down or anything?

>> No.17457537

>>17457501
Off the rack shoes can’t fit everyone.
People heel to ball ratio, heel size, ball width, etc differ.
Each makers employ different lasts. Someone can fit size 7 in one brand fine, but won’t in another brand’s 7.
If that last RMW uses don’t fit you well, see if they have anything else or move on the another brand.

For future purchase, learn your feet features, things like high or low instep, heel size, ball width, arch, heel to ball measurement, relay those infos to the brand, ask them to describe how their last fit to you.

Ultimately, this takes trials and errors, you just have to get the shoes on your feet to know for sure. It helps to work with retailers who can offer return/ exchange.

>> No.17457542

>>17457135
w2c boots in OP?

>> No.17457547

>>17457342
What is happening here might be that the last heel to ball ratio is farther than your feet’s, so your feet widest part is actively sliding up that point, making slippage happens.

Either buy one of those glue on heel piece in smaller size or get a cobbler to stitch a piece of leather to the heel to bulk it up. The heel tabs you use is too thick, thats why it feels cramped.

>> No.17457549

>>17457542
The brand is Edward Green. You can buy them directly from EG or their various retailers. Though EG is expensive (+1K) so it would be better to state your budget.

>> No.17457554

Does anyone know these two companies and if they are any good? fromthefirst and floris van bommel.

>> No.17457563

>>17457554
Bommel is a fashion brand that honestly makes ugly shoes.

>> No.17457565

>>17457205
Mine fit perfectly out of the box with no break in. Sorry Anon. FWIW they're by far the most comfortable boots I own, so it might be worth the hassle of trying for a different size if you like the design.

>> No.17457633

>>17457554
>fromthefirst
>500+ blake stitched boots
>no information on tanneries
I wouldn't but try them if you like their styles i guess.
>floris van bommel.
mall tier

>> No.17457646

>>17457554
From the first marketing jargon is such a turn off for me.

>> No.17457650

>>17457646
this, i remember it being shilled a bit on here 4 or 5 years ago. there's some reviews online of the owner taking the money and never sending boots either.
just buy a 2nd hand pair of wyatts

>> No.17457656

>>17457650
For rip off of that style, Story et Fal is probably still the best alternative

>> No.17457660
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17457660

Is the danner website size finder accurate?
size 10 timberlands fit me pretty good, should I go for size 10 danner boots?

>> No.17457724
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17457724

Why should/shouldn't I buy a pair of corcoran jump boots?

>> No.17457748

>>17457724
>should
If you are into military larping
>shouldn't
the build quality is not high

>> No.17457799

>>17457542
Those are Edward Greens (like $1400) but you can get a much cheaper clone here
https://www.carminashoemaker.com/work-boots-tan-karagrain-80791

It's not quite the same but good enough

>> No.17457810

I've narrowed my choices down to Viberg 2040 BCTs on sale vs Whites semi-dress
The desired fit was something that looks good but not too snobbish to wear around students at the nearby university. Something simply striking
Suggestions?

>> No.17457812

>>17457342
>he bought soloshitters

Retard.

>> No.17457816

>>17457342
Is the angle of your foot in the shoe causing it?
If you tilt your foot up slightly, does the shoe follow or stay in place?
If it stays in place, you need a heel cup
https://www.amazon.com/ViveSole-Silicone-Gel-Heel-Cups/dp/B01IQ0G338

>> No.17457818
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I struggle to wear my shell boots
They draw a lot of attention

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>>17457135
where did the OP and PREV>> go

>> No.17457893

>>17457818
Same, and I only wear basic bitch rangers.

>> No.17457897
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17457897

Which size boot should I get? I traced my feet, and they're about 27cm long and about 11cm wide at their widest. I did it barefoot, should I redo with socks?

From what I see, those measurements should put me at a size 10 wide. I'm not sure if a size 10, size 10.5, or size 11 would fit me best though (assuming the boots are true to size).

>>17457724
Also, is there anything in particular to look out for when picking up a used version of these boots?

>> No.17457958

>>17457897
I'm 28.1 x 11cm and my best fitting shoes are UK10.5 or US11
One size wider than normal, depends on the brand

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17457967

>>17457135
can anyone id pedros boots by chance

>> No.17457972
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>>17457967

>> No.17457975

Do fat people gain foot width or also length?

>> No.17457998

>>17457810
Why do you want honk honk toe?

>> No.17458000

>>17457859
In the trash where it belongs.

>> No.17458004

>>17457972
Likely Timberland.

>> No.17458021

Cavour has 30% off on some really high end brands (St. Crispin, C&J, Stefano Bemer etc). Sadly no sale on Edward Green.

I saw a Loro Piana bomber jacket 50% off but that's still a ridiculous amount of money for me.

>> No.17458028

>>17457897
TTS UK9.5

>> No.17458053

Are vibergs worth it? I could get 2 pairs of Carminas for the price of 1 viberg. Plus they charge so much for the delivery to my country, and I have to pay 21% tax, whereas with Carmina the delivery is free. Constructionwise, are they much better? 'Tis true that Vibergs use foam instead of cork?

>> No.17458056

>>17458053
2 carmina pairs are easily worth way more than 1 viberg

>> No.17458072

>>17457135
thorogood leather steel-toe and work pants wherever i go. construction worker -core
it's not a larp anyway since i wageslave as an hvac/r tech 65 hours a week

>> No.17458080

Looking to get a versatile pair of boots to go with jeans. Carmina/Viberg/White’s are almost impossible to find outside London in the UK. What are some more easily accessible brands with quality leather boots?

>> No.17458085

>>17458080
any northampton bootmaker?

>> No.17458100

>>17458053
I would suggest you stop trying to min max fashion like buying a shovel or ladder. Buy whatever resonate to you, or whatever you like the look of.

>Construction wise
Viberg is technically better, though the difference is negligible in term of practicality. Viberg uses cork also. but you better not sperg out about something as minute of filler.

>> No.17458143

>>17458080
budget?

>> No.17458147

>>17458072
Isn't that just going to work clothes?

>> No.17458156

>>17458080
Trickers?
C&J?

>> No.17458226

>>17457810
Semi dress. I'm gonna get my next pair in horsehide.

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17458236

>>17458226
>meet a hot vegan chick
>anon those boots are great, what are they made of

>> No.17458237

>>17457724
pu covered leather

>> No.17458241
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>>17458236
>hot vegan chick

>> No.17458264

>>17458237
>pu covered leather
are you having a stroke?

>> No.17458291

>>17457156
talking about boots specifically or their shoes? i own their horsebit loafers which are gucci clones but better quality and half the price
i wear them with jeans and a button down all the time when it's warm

>> No.17458294

>>17457724
HONK HONK

>> No.17458301

>>17458053
Vibergs are worth it if you absolutely must have the 2030 last. It's iconic, it's gorgeous, it's sexy, it's masculine. Many consider it the greatest boot last of all time
If you will accept no substitutes then yes, get them. They're overpriced but they're still excellent boots, made with the right materials the right way. They're simply overpriced
Carminas are excellent too and you could get a pair and be happy for years and years. But it's not the 2030 last
At the end of the day people are willing to pay for it and Viberg know it

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>>17458301
>Many consider it the greatest boot last of all time

>> No.17458314

>>17458301
Looks and feel are subjective, i think 2030 looks alright but gets blown out of the water by some other lasts, specifically C&J 325 and EG 72.
>Many consider it the greatest boot last of all time
absolute retards that would think that way, the last keeps changing too.

>> No.17458320

>>17458312
sorry poorfag, the number 8 last from red wing is ronald mcdonald tier

>> No.17458357

>>17458314
All valid criticism aside, the 2030 jumpstarted the whole slim heritage boots trend.
Not the greatest but possibly one of the most influential in modern day.

>> No.17458406

>>17457724
the munson last is actually pretty ugly and they leather is overfinisjed or straight up covered in plastic to fake a spit shine

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17458525

>>17457789
I like this one best. Bonafes?
Also, I suppose. Boots for this feel?

>> No.17458527

>>17457859
that's what happens when newfags make the generals

>> No.17458533
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17458533

>>17455581
should have taken the out of stock pill

>> No.17458537

>>17458533
twink legs?
london?

>> No.17458542

>>17457859
/btg/

What do I need to care for my boots?
>Old cotton t shirt (one for cleaning, another for applying conditioners)
>Horsehair brush ($10-15)
>Wooden shoe trees ($10-15)
>Light conditioner like Lexol/Bck4/renovateur
>Heavy conditioner (if you live in terrible snow/rain areas) Sno seal/Obernauf LP
>Don't forget that boots need time to dry properly, rotate them and don't wear them daily for too long

How do I deal with x stain?
>mud: allow it to dry then brush off
>salt: water and cloth as soon as possible
>saturated wet: allow the boot to dry for a full day, stuff with newspaper
>scuffs and scratches: buff vigorously with horsehair brush

>Should I buy turdsdays/soloshits/doc shitans?
No they are filled with synthetic materials aimed at instant comfort but will not hold up to actual use.
>b-b-but muh ecelebs on youtube said they're good
no. you will waste your time and money and still have uncomfortable footwear at the end of the day. spend the extra $100 and get something real.

Manufacturer Red Flags
>Luxury
>Sustainable
>Vegan
>Unknown leather source


PREV>>17452638

>> No.17458546

>>17458301
I see 2030 anon angry about his clown feet not getting slimmed down is still angry about getting btfo and has shifted his approach.

>> No.17458548

>>17458301
seethe

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17458553

>thursday unfucks thier last
>reddit bitches so hard thursday kills the nonsquishtoe last

>> No.17458569

>>17458301
>>17458314
So there was a big argument last thread on the 2030 vs 2040 last. Basically comfort vs style. Is the difference that bad?
I'll buy a 2030/2040 right now if I can get a real answer on this because its' so conflicting.

>> No.17458571

>>17458569
2040 is ugly

>> No.17458574

>>17458553
QRD?
>>17458571
It's just the 2030 in a bump toe, right?

>> No.17458575

>>17457565
This will never happen to me, my instep is too thick and my arches too high.

>> No.17458576

>>17458537
Are normal legs considered "twink" now? How fucking fat are people getting nowadays?

>> No.17458579

>>17458576
>t. never saw leg day in his life

>> No.17458580

>>17458574
>QRD?
thursday changed the rugged and resilient models to a wider toebox that in my opinion doesnt looks retarded
for about 2 months the reddit has been making a big issue of it posting comparisons, asking which toebox they got etc. thursday now comes out to apologize and state that theyre dropping the 'nirvana' last which is the round toe and going back to some sweet potato looking abortion

>> No.17458582

>>17458574
No. It’s a “low profile” designed to flatten and slim your feet. The 2040 is higher and wider.

>> No.17458587

>>17458553
something looks so wrong with the left, although i don't like right either.

>> No.17458589

>>17458580
>thursday changed the rugged and resilient models to a wider toebox that in my opinion doesnt looks retarded
that's actually a good change. Why would people want their work-boot lite to not have a wider toebox? Narrow toeboxes are great for dress shoes, not work boots.

>> No.17458591

>>17458236
What is your point? I already have a horsehide jacket I wear.

>> No.17458593

>>17458582
Oh.
So for a wide foot, 2040. If I want it to be a dress-like shoe, 2030. I should simply understand that it will fit snug on the ball of my foot, right?

>> No.17458598

>>17458593
Basically. Anon has been bitching about Viberg for like two weeks but he has wide feet and bought the 2030 in the wrong size. That plus the sale has increased bergposting. Just call them and ask, they’re pretty good with customer service and you’ll talk to a real Canadian.

>> No.17458600

>>17458537
>>17458579
those look decent, browse thinspo if you want real twink legs

>> No.17458603

>>17458598
Ah, I talked to them in chat and they said 2030 would be fine for my foot. should I call them anyway? I'll just do it tomorrow.

>> No.17458607

>>17458589
>Why would people want their work-boot lite to not have a wider toebox?
i think its because narrow = fancy and at $200 people want to feel fancy
its like buying the lv print bag. you need others to see that you bought something expensive

>> No.17458612

>>17458600
twink legs are more about being tight and smooth rather than thin and scrawny
thin and scrawny is gross

>> No.17458702

>>17458598
Ah so it's not really an option for a wide foot.
Yeah the bergposting is pretty substantial, and I think my question was answered several times over.

Of course I still want to know that if I'm buying a $600 viberg, if I should get the brown suede or polished leather variant.

>> No.17458712

Not boots but:
https://www.carminashoemaker.com/driving-loafers-brown-museum-80802
I wanted these even before the sale began but my size wasn't even available when it went on sale. I'm guessing it was snatched up immediately.
Anyone have experience with these? I want a boat shoe and a loafer kind of combo and these seem perfect.

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one of my favorite boots are janky seconds

>> No.17458724

>>17458525
based rotring bro
have my 600 right next to me

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how hard would it be to clean these up?

>> No.17458732

>>17458728
the cracking is irreversible

>> No.17458747

>>17457958
>>17458028
Thank you. Looks like 10.5 wide, or 11 wide (us) would be good for me. I'm going to try 10.5 wides. Hopefully they aren't too small.

>> No.17458783

>>17458717
me too bro
good boots are good for a very, very long time.

>> No.17458798

>>17458702
there are better brands to get suede from
not that viberg has bad suede, just that it pushes the boot's look far too close to work boot but it's not.

>> No.17458835

>>17458798
Ah great point, thanks.

>> No.17458917

>>17458571
I like the 2040 last.
Still not spending money on a viberg when so many better looking boots are much cheaper.

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>>17458917
>when so many better looking boots are much cheaper.

>> No.17458925

so wait is the 2040 ugly? keep in mind I've never seen the 30 or the 40 IRL.
Only asking so much because I don't want to buy a 30 (making purchase tomorrow after phone call) and find out it crushes my toes for a slight slimming effect nobody notices.

>> No.17458927

>>17458925
the 40 stands for "fat bulbous toe"

>> No.17458942

>>17458927
So don't get it if I'm getting bergs because the point is the slim toe?

>> No.17458946

>>17458942
Vibergs are best as sexy, slim boots drawn off of work boot heritage.

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ID on shoes?

>> No.17459152

>>17459132
Is that Michaël Wellbeck?

>> No.17459160

>>17458732
The cracks are in the PU. PU can be removed with solvent or even sandpaper.

>> No.17459161

why do you guys keep arguing about the 2040 when the 2055 exists?

>> No.17459171

>>17459132
Looks absolutely ugly and mall tier.

>> No.17459183
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Are timbs going out?

Why are they so cheap now?

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Grant Stone Diesel, grey Kudu

The second most comfortable boot I've had the pleasure of wearing. I love the character of the leather. I wouldn't buy anything dressier with Kudu though.

>> No.17459201

>>17459190
is this real kudu from cf?

>> No.17459321

>listen to interview with tony gaziano
>he put poron in the prince of wales shoes to make it more comfortable
/btg/ btfo

>> No.17459380

>>17459201
https://www.grantstoneshoes.com/products/pre-order-storm-kudu-diesel-boot?variant=31728814162006&currency=USD&gclid=CjwKCAiA5sieBhBnEiwAR9oh2ul7Q0gaaYjf5sVg7zv15iRZsU7PVoHxO3bfaFuxqo3StD4moQ1VgxoCZH8QAvD_BwE

Yes indeed! C F Stead Kudu. Completely worth the money. IMHO Grant Stone is way ahead of current Allen Edmonds in terms of material and quality of construction, and it's a coin flip on whether they are better than Alden for non cordovan options.

>> No.17459444

>>17458525
Yeah those are Bonafe button boots

>> No.17459450

>>17459190
Next fall I am planning to order my second MTO from Bonafe, a casual jumper boot with commando soles and some kind of grain leather.
I was thinking Horween bull rush hatch grain, but maybe Kudu is the way to go. Probably in a dark brown color though.

>> No.17459457

>>17459450
> a casual jumper boot
same but from carmina in the spring mto event
I'm soon gonna order a carmina MTO too that i don't want to wait until April for.

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can't decide on left or right, left are £50 more

>> No.17459514

>>17458542
discord mod energy.

>> No.17459551

>>17459514
I dont know I've never used discord
dont be retarded and put the info in the OP though. it covers a lot of basic questions so we have more space to argue about the benefits of cork

>> No.17459567

What are some nice dress shoes under 500?

>> No.17459569

>>17459567
carmina

>> No.17459576

>>17459567
TLB

Great dress shoes
Not great boots

>> No.17459580

>>17459567
carmina or allen edmonds on steep discounts so you get two pairs

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what are those

>> No.17459589
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17459589

whomst

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17459591

>>17459587
>obongo who really fucked shit up preferred non american manufactured
really makes you think

>> No.17459596

>>17459591
I wouldnt wear free ae shoes either desu

>> No.17459597

>>17459596
t. blacker than coal

>> No.17459603

>>17459597
I like my heels nailed on properly, thanks

>> No.17459606
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17459606

Meanwhile, the Bri'ish who keep the same shoes for 40 years

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>>17459606
>full break with a two and a half inch cuff

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17459610

>>17459606
eventually he replaced these with a pair from Gaziano & Girling

>> No.17459612
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17459612

>>17459610
wait no I think this is the G&G pair

he likes the burgundies it seems

>> No.17459623

>>17459612
why does that look saggy
weak shank?

>> No.17459625

>>17459610
>>17459612
>>17459321

>> No.17459663

>>17459623
He must have completely fucked up feet
You can see the fit ain't right, bespoke shoes never look or crease like that

The heel looks off too, pronation probably.

>> No.17459695

>>17459610
He rotates all his stuff. Never wears the same thing twice in a row

>> No.17459696

>>17459663
>Bespoke shoes never look or crease like that
Said by someone who never owned a pair of Bespoke.

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>>17459695
I thought everyone already did that

>> No.17459700

>>17459696
Whilst that is true, it's also not normal to have a giant lump over your big toe, or a bespoke shoe that visibly bulges over the welt and over the heel

I'm sure they've done their best but if he has fucked up feet he has fucked up feet, what can you do

>> No.17459715
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wtf is that shape? that fit?

>> No.17459737

>>17459715
potato last

>> No.17459852

>>17457221
>>17457537
>>17457565
Looking at the size chart for those same boots, I'm seeing that none of the sizes have my width. Is that what's meant by last not working for a foot? Will none of these be comfortable?

>> No.17459872

>>17459380
Anything made in China is immediately lesser than all alternatives.

>> No.17459875

>>17458591
>didn't take care of my old lambskin jacket and now there's spots and cracking
I'll just chalk it up as "character" because I've had it for like 22 years.

>> No.17459879

solovair y/n?

>> No.17459899

last thread had a boot care guide in the op, imma need that copy pasta if anyone has it.

>> No.17459902

>>17459872
mad because chyna makes better boot than isa

>> No.17459906

>>17459872
Small brain reply. Here is your (you)

>> No.17459916

>>17459902
>>17459906
>t. buys Doc Martins unironically

>> No.17459919

>>17459916
go to bed, kyle

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>>17459919
Kyle's a dumbass faggot, but this is a clown board.

>> No.17460004

>>17459875
Lamb is shit

>> No.17460055

>>17459872
based

>> No.17460076

>>17460004
Not as shit as no-name calfskin. I’ve been debating shelling out for a heavy leather coat, though.

>> No.17460092

>>17460076
horse or bust

>> No.17460128
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I didn't know Viberg made chukkas. Anyone have experience with them since they're part of the sale? Or is it one of those things where there's no point in even thinking about them because there's only the service boot line that anyone pays attention to?

>> No.17460136

>>17460128
not bad

>> No.17460143

>>17460128
>three eyelets
>lined
>structured toe
ehhh
it's just a lowcut boot at that point, hardly a chukka

>> No.17460150

>>17460143
Great point, thanks.

>> No.17460183

>>17460076
Aero leather

>> No.17460201

I just wanna vent real quick.
>tfw no fitting service for shoes and boots like there is for clothing
Found my ass some Timbs at Goodwill but they were three sizes too high.

>> No.17460203

>>17460201
>buying timbs they definitely pulled off a dead nog
kinda based

>> No.17460214

>>17459152
yes

>> No.17460220

'bergs
horse or calfskin?

>> No.17460221

>>17460201
There actually are but if you're buying used timbs you couldn't hope to afford to buy fitted shoes

>> No.17460222

>>17460220
horse, you faggot

>> No.17460232

>>17460220
Horsehide White's like I keep fucking telling you

>> No.17460234

>>17460220
on the 2030 last right?

>> No.17460236

>>17460234
Correct
>>17460232
Yeah I'm thinking of it. It's the first time I probably had the guts to buy something decent and I want to make the best of it. Though, I don't know which whites boots offer horsehide.

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>>17460220
Whites horsehide

>> No.17460244

>>17460220
Horsehide, if they're back in stock and on sale. Horse in general. Berg horsehide is top tier.

>> No.17460245

>>17460236
Good man. Fuck 2040 and 2055 shitters.

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>>17460244
Hey are, in my size too.

>> No.17460249

>>17460248
sex

>> No.17460251

>>17460248
>2030
Just don't shit up the place for weeks like the other anon who bought 2030s that were way too small for him

>> No.17460256

>>17460251
I talked to a berg rep and he said the lasts were E size already, my shoe size is 7.8E on my largest foot according to scans.
So unless the rep lied to me.

>> No.17460257

>>17460256
Sorry this is in burger units, which means it's a 6.8 E in viberg/UK

>> No.17460264

>>17460257
Burger E does not translate 1 to 1 to bong E.

>> No.17460266

>>17460264
Is it narrower/bigger?

>> No.17460270

>>17460266
Actually call them during business hours and ask.

>> No.17460273

>>17460270
They said it was fine over chat but I'll give them a phone call.

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Just found it that Franks has a boot called the Patriot that is only $350.
Pretty sweet, definitely getting them instead of spending almost $600.

>> No.17460281

>>17460273
Chat on all websites is run by pajeets and pakis unless it's a government chat. Call them.

>> No.17460282

>>17460274
They look nice

>> No.17460294

>>17460274
You’re lying
No one looks at that boot and says yeah I can make this work in an outfit

>> No.17460296

>>17460274
that heel makes whites heel look normal

>> No.17460299

>>17460294
>No one looks at that boot and says yeah I can make this work in an outfit
Don’t need to, they’ll be for work.

>> No.17460301

>>17460299
Prove your occupation

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>>17460301

>> No.17460310

>>17460305
Ok I believe you
Nice

>> No.17460347

>>17460274
>>17460299
I always wonder, how useful are heritage boots and the like for work? I had assumed if you were working, you wore cement construction boots because you can just throw them away at the end of the day when the insole collapses in a few months.

>> No.17460357

>>17460347
The facebook groups for White's, Frank's, and Nick's have lots of people using them for work. The truck is they're skilled laborers who can afford decent boots and not poor unskilled retards like we have here.

>> No.17460358

>>17460357
*The trick is

>> No.17460359

>>17460347
The arch support is great for standing on your feet all day.

>> No.17460361

>>17460359
>>17460357
If I'm an office drone, there's really no point in it then and I should be getting derbies and the like?

>> No.17460371

Question about shell. I have a pair of shell Allen Edmonds and the vamp (and only the vamp) has a rough, dry feeling. Like, running my fingers along it one way feels smooth, but the other way feels rough. Like it has a wood grain. I have brushed them a lot, and what is weird is that one boot has become quite smooth over the course of a week, but one is still rough. I learned that this is just how shell is when it isn't covered in an acrylic coating like Allens. Is that true? Or should I hit them with some VSC?

>> No.17460374

>>17460371
like Aldens*

>> No.17460378

>>17460361
Get what you fucking like. Any boots are going to be fine for an office job, except "work" boots with steel toe and the like.

>> No.17460380

>>17460371
When did you buy these AEs?
Only asking because in recent times, like the last 2 years or so, their QC has gone down the toilet and you may have a legit case of one boot not getting the proper treatment vs the other.

>> No.17460384

boots ok for a 5'8 dude? if it's even possible. i'd probably have to get something slim looking.

>> No.17460386

>>17459872
Eh, idk. Allen Edmonds are pretty shit compared to Grabt Stone.

>> No.17460394

>>17460380
I bought them recently, but off Ebay (in new condition with no box). So they could almost be from any time. But no, it seems they intentionally chose those cuts for those panels. The toe caps are shiny, the quarters are beautifully finished, the backstays too. It's only the vamps, both shoes matched completely at first. My incessant brushing seems to have smoothed out one of the shoes, so I guess I just need to repeat that a bunch on the other shoe.

>> No.17460395

>>17460384
Didn’t you watch Seinfeld?
Boots were made for manlets.

>> No.17460400

Do Vibergs have Dainite soles? It doesn't mention this anywhere but it looks like the 2030 BCTs used to.

>> No.17460402

>>17460400
its one of their commonly used sole

>> No.17460407

>>17460361
If you're stupid and you don't see a reason to buy boots that will last you 20+ years of light office wear go for it, it's not my life.

>> No.17460408

>>17460400
Stop shitting up the thread asking 1000 stupid questions you indecisive disgusting faggot, just buy the fucking boots you want or don't. If you have a question ask the fucking manufacturer. This board isn't your fucking therapist and we can't hold your hand and walk you through buying fucking boots. Just go to fucking walmart and get some timbs if it means you'll stop fucking posting.

>> No.17460412

>>17460395
i don't want to look like a clown.

>> No.17460444

>>17460400
Some do, most do not. This has been covered.

>> No.17460540

>>17460361
If you don't want to be the clown in your office, yes. A proper pair of dressy shoes will last just as long.

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>> No.17460613

>>17460408
chill out

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Any boots similar to these Red Wings? Apparently Red Wing doesn’t make them or fix them anymore.

>> No.17460691

>>17460361
No, buy fashionable boots, they last just as long, might be even longer for your office use.

People who buy these old school work boots are not interested in fashion and continuously hung out in this thread because no one takes them.

>> No.17460694

>>17460294
Really wish these folks will exodus to >>>>/out/ when they have no actual interest in discussing fashion.

>> No.17460742

>>17460694
Or the tradie threads on diy

>> No.17460743

>>17460266
Berg's E is most brand's D. You want their EEE or you'll be another faggot who shits this place up about how the 2030 is bad.
It's not. You measured your feet wrong.

>> No.17460746

>>17460613
fuck you

>> No.17460751

>>17460746
mad because you couldn't convince anon to buy whites

>> No.17460752

>>17460691
>>17460694
>fashion brands
Trash.

What you are looking for is "classic" "elegant" "handmade" a la the description given by Bonafe and C&J
A shoe maker with respect for his craft doesn't call himself a "fashion shoe" maker.
>but the board name...
Missing the forest for the trees.

>> No.17460753

>>17460751
>convince
*Trick
for all the hype, white's are only good for bruising your feet and thinking you're a tough guy because of it

>> No.17460756

>>17460668
yuketen

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>>17460756
>american-style boots but they're made by japs
>you WILL pay 800 usd for these mocc toes

>> No.17460763

>>17460752
Cant tell if you are being ironic.

I’m advising that anon to buy boots that look good, not air quote fashion stuffs from the like of Balenciaga, Gucci, Hermes.
Im thinking of CJ, Carmina, EG, JL stuffs that look fashionable as fuck.

>But muh fashion means xyz

Yea, I dont care about your headcanon man.

>> No.17460796

>>17460760
Russell moccasin then

also with that pic if you have a jdm car you need to get jdm parts not because it's cool but because they fit. there are so many subte changes between usdm and jdm that theres no guarantee even the ashtray is the same. eudm tends to be closer to jdm

>> No.17460806

>>17460756
Anything cheaper?

>> No.17460854

>>17460806
rancourt, quoddy or grant stones field boot

>> No.17460912

>>17460854
Perfect. Thanks.

>> No.17461043

>>17457135
Got some chippewa boots that are a half size too big, need to know what inserts I could buy to fill them out

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>>17461043
cut losses and move on

>> No.17461047

>>17461043
Saphir sells veg tan insoles that have no synthetic materials and will basically make the shoes feel about 0.25 size smaller
But the leather on leather friction can be squeaky, I have used them on two shoes and on one they do not squeak on the other it was unwearable.

Probably can make them shut the fuck up if you apply some glue or something.

>> No.17461057

>>17461047
they wear just fine they just feel a little less “tight” than my 9.5 iron rangers. What should I specifically look up for the type of insert that makes the shoe size .25-.5 smaller?

>> No.17461064

>>17461057
Darn Tough full cushion wool socks

>> No.17461065

>>17461064
I already wear work socks

>> No.17461068

>>17461065
Just try any insole inserts then

>> No.17461072

>>17461068
dr scholls good quality? I wanna go pick em up today

>> No.17461073

>>17461072
fuck no

>> No.17461074

>>17461072
no clue never used these
i don't think it matters that much considering they are easily replaceable

you probably just want to make sure it helps at all first
for me when boots are a little too big it's never a problem because the ankle secures the foot anyway

>> No.17461101

>>17461072
I use these spenco inserts:
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Comfort-Lightweight-Cushioning-Orthotic/dp/B000S6JTMG
I've seen these everywhere, from Amazon to Wal Mart to Target. What I like about them is that they're flat enough to where it does not interrupt the contour of the inside but thick enough where it can fill out an extra quarter to half size, no problem. They're also soft enough to cut with scissors if they don't fit in the toe box.
You can find leather inserts pretty cheaply (<50 bucks) if you visit any red wing store and ask for them. They won't mind that you're using them in Chippewa boots one bit.

>> No.17461104

>>17460444
Thanks
>>17460408
That was literally my first question about them.

>> No.17461109

>>17460386
Isn't a big controversy right now that AE's are being made elsewhere and the QC problems are through the roof?

>> No.17461118

>>17461109
Location of manufacturing matters jack shit. Executive decision is where it at. AE owner cares nothing about shoes, they just pump out shoes faster, cut down on costs to get more profit.

>> No.17461143

Are alden's having the same problem, as well? I've heard lots of horror stories about them in recent times.

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Cavour house brand stuff is usually good quality

Might be a decent deal
Not sure who makes it for them, it's from Spain

>> No.17461151

Spain or Portugal

>> No.17461154

>>17461143
They are struggling.

Core problem is: Nobody wants to make shoes for whatever rate it is in New England right now. You can make the same money doing something less strenuous.

It takes way more skills to finish a pair of dress shoes nicely than to just slap thick shit together like on PNW boots.

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>>17461147
sex

>> No.17461159

>>17461154
That really sucks. So QC problems are to be expected basically everywhere that is having western problems?

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>>17461147
Some of the stuff on the front page may be more interesting

>> No.17461178

>>17461159
They ran on old workers. Younger bloods don't come in fast enough. The few that came in need time to train.

>> No.17461179

>>17461147
These look impressive, but how much of an asshole would I be showing up to work in pebbled leather boots when most co-workers wear sneakers and flip flops?

>> No.17461185

>>17461178
Quick rants.
Both the shoemaking trades and the textile trades in America are struggling.
If you vote Republican, you are responsible.

>> No.17461194
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>>17461147
Also these, if you're into this type of boot?

>>17461162
Cavour has a top tier reputation for suits (full canvas), sweaters, shirts, trousers etc but I have never personally ordered from them

>> No.17461195

>>17461185
Is it because of exports to the third world or free trade agreements?

>> No.17461201

>>17461179
>when most co-workers wear sneakers and flip flops?
do you work on a beach?
in what other context would flip flops be remotely acceptable

>> No.17461203

>>17461179
Depends on the workplace
It's an odd mix of casual (commando sole + grain utah) and formal (captoe + no eyelets)

Cavour may be quality but I still doubt it's as good as a known brand like Carmina or TLB or C&J.
But the price is good.

>> No.17461206

>>17461201
>in what other context would flip flops be remotely acceptable
A work environment where nobody gives a fuck, the CEO wears dirty sneakers and slacks.
>>17461203
This is what I was thinking. Carmina would be premiere but at the same time, I can't find Carmina or TLB at that price.

>> No.17461210

>>17461195
Not just that. Workers at home are just as abused as workers across the oceans.
The labor pool is shrinking when workers don't get treat well.

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This however, may be perfect for my office.

>> No.17461216

>>17461210
I had assumed most of these high quality clothing brands were small and thus had far better treatment than most.
I know Red Wing employees are treated pretty well.

>> No.17461219

>>17461211
I wear suede boots to the office almost every other day, it's great
But they have no sizes left

Try Skolyx house brand or Yanko maybe, those are pretty cheap

>> No.17461220

>>17461203
Iberian shoes manufacturers make shoes at similar level. Unless you are splitting hair, there is not much of a difference. The most impressive thing that ever came out of there was TLB Artista real leather counter.

>> No.17461221

>>17461219
Thanks anon, I just noticed that nothing is left on that one.

>> No.17461225

>>17461216
Some factories treat their employees well. But it is not standardized practice. Look at how Republicans are blocking labor unions.

>> No.17461226

>>17461225
Can you name some that aren't?

>> No.17461229

>>17461220
Main difference would be where the materials come from I guess
Carmina will happily use CF Stead suede, Horween shell, Weinheimer boxcalf etc
I doubt house brands would do the same

>> No.17461233

>>17461225
>Look at how Republicans are blocking labor unions.
It was the Biden administration that forced them to accept an agreement that the majority were against.
They are union busters and the democrat controlled congress voted for it, they are union busters.

>> No.17461236

>>17461226
Would be easier to name those that treat their employee well than those that don't. And this requires talking with the owners. You can't trust online copywriting.

>> No.17461239

>>17461236
Fair enough. I'd just like to know who to avoid.
I know viberg does well, but they're not American. Red Wing employees have been on /fa/ and said they get treated fine. So I guess the suspects would be Whites (Which I kind of doubt?), Allen Edmond, which is likely because they fell off a cliff as well, and Aldens

>> No.17461248

>>17461239
I don't think Alden treat their employees bad. It is not their fault that Massachusetts cost of living is high. They can only pay you so much. Like I said earlier, why work in a shoes factory when you can earn as much as a barista or something?

>> No.17461252

>>17461233
what are you even referring to?

>> No.17461253

>>17461252
Rail worker union had their strike made illegal by the Biden administration and the democrat controlled congress.
They were striking for sick days.

>> No.17461254

>>17461229
Take Lof Tung for example, the Skoak house brand made in Spain. They use Stead suede, Horween shell

>> No.17461255

>>17461253
Unions*

>> No.17461268

>>17461253
>Got a deal that entails pay raise
>8 out of 12 unions agreed on it
>Had to sign the bill to get the stubborn 4 back to working since strike will cripple the economy at large
And that is "union busting" to you? Bullshit somewhere else bro.

>> No.17461279

>>17461268
>Got a deal that entails pay raise
Which is not what they wanted
>8 out of 12 unions agreed on it
Those unions who voted yes put together have many less members than the unions who voted no
Yeah man it’s all the workers fault because they want to have sick days so that they don’t get fired if they have to take off from work because they are sick, it isn’t the railroads who are at fault for taking away their sick days and using skeleton crews on every train.
If they weren’t union busters they would have forced the railroads to give them sick days to prevent the strike.

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>>17461118
>Location of manufacturing matters jack shit

>> No.17461287

>>17461233
>the last thing is the only thing

>> No.17461293

>>17461279
>If they weren’t union busters they would have forced the railroads to give them sick days to prevent the strike.

Everything else is valid point but that slippery slope fallacy crap.

>> No.17461300

>>17461229
>Carmina will happily use CF Stead suede
do they offer/use janus calf though?

>> No.17461301

>>17461286
Do you have any original thoughts outside of regurgitated meme?
It's a fool errand to ask for genuine in this piss puddle. But do use logic to explain why not, something you obviously don't have.

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>>17461301
products produced by a shit nation comprised of shit people will always be shit. its a simple concept even a child can grasp but here you are

>> No.17461315

>>17461300
Info as of 2018
All suede is janus unless stated to be Vogue (similar to Janus but thinner) or Repello (split).

>> No.17461318

>>17461307
> shit nation
Your opinion backed by nothing is not logic
> shit people
Your opinion backed by nothing is not logic

>Sampling errors and fallacy

Incel is not welcomed here.

>> No.17461321

>>17461307
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedWingShoes/comments/r7k3xv/got_these_less_than_48_hours_ago_theyve_made_it/

Does this mean USA is a shit country with shit people that make shit product because 1 product is faulty?

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>>17461321
>1 product
lmao if only

>>17461318
post boots

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>>17461327
And this is not just 1 product

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>>17461330

>> No.17461335

>>17461327
>post boots
not logic, what is even your point?

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>guys i swear MiUSA are worst than mexican boots pls believe me

>>17461335
this is the boot general, post boots

>> No.17461342

>>17461338
>I have no logic and thus will non sequitur

>> No.17461344

>>17461338
Post skin color.

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Company dedication to QC is the one thing that truly matters regardless of where they manufacture. You can find shit to good manufacturers anywhere, within the same country. Ultimately, it's the brand that chose who and what standards to work with.

Thursdayposting will only prove the above is correct. Problem lay with the execs. See MiUSA AE for similar problem.

Generalizing a whole country is just some incel projecting inferiority complex.

>> No.17461357

>>17461342
>Doesn't post boots
Your concession that shit countries and shit people make shit products is hereby entered into the annals of /btg/ thanks for playing!

>> No.17461360

>>17460591
Is this an example of American superb workmanship?

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>>17461357
>Inferiority complex
Cringe bro.

>> No.17461370

>>17461344
Bet 10 bucks you are a shitskin larping.

>> No.17461371

>>17461344
>>17461370
>>17461357
Skin color now monkey.

>> No.17461377

>>17461351
You are talking with edgy reddit rejects who flock here because they are too fragile to post there. Stop wasting time on thread shitters.

>> No.17461395

>>17461315
very nice, i hope this is still the case as im buying carmina suede boots soon.

>> No.17461400
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17461400

Suede enjoyers, defend yourselves

>> No.17461419

>>17461400
It's over

>> No.17461440

the simple fact is you can get good quality anywhere but the factors that determine quality are:
local talent or ability to train workers
the materials you source
the methods you use
the checks in place during production
the end qc

you'll notice it's hard to find grant stone qc complaints despite being made in China because they use decent materials and every single order is inspected and repacked by like 3 people.

>> No.17461450
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17461450

>Peppe shoes

>> No.17461463

>>17461351
>>17461440
Too long and factual, not memey nor brain dead nor reductive enough to spam with reaction image.

>> No.17461606
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17461606

Weird new boots are here. Would you cop?
I'm going to wait for more patterns. I want the mocc toe to be just a little more visible

>> No.17461625

Okay so now I own a $600 boot. What do I pair with it when most of my clothes are <$50 in value?

>> No.17461634

>>17461625
wrangler jeans and wrangler shirts
you bought work boots right?

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17461643

>>17461634
Sort of

>> No.17461652

>>17461606
Problem with something like this: It would be difficult to find things to pair with that didn't make you look like a hipster 80% of the time.
Khakis? Fine, Suits? some suits, maybe. Not Jeans, not dress slacks, not corduroy, meanwhile a standard brown boot pairs with all of that.

>> No.17461654

>>17461643
based
in that case, get some Filson tin cloth

>> No.17461656

>>17461652
>meanwhile a standard brown boot pairs with all of that.
Congratz you described the entire problem with T*ft

You can't pair it with anything, ever.
Real people don't buy shoes for one outfit.

>> No.17461686

>>17461400
Concession accepted

>> No.17461694

>>17461656
Novelty items

>> No.17461697

>>17461694
not real boots

>> No.17461698

>>17461400
I don't have any suede boots but I really like my suede low-tops. I was thinking about suede Chelseas if they ever come back in stock.

>> No.17461701

>>17461606
Looks like bergs for retards.

>> No.17461708

>>17461704
>>17461704
>>17461704

NEW

>>17461704
>>17461704
>>17461704

NEW

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