/fa/ - Fashion

[Anonymous No.17238673]

now that the dust has settled, what's the verdict on low-dose oral minoxidil?
pure memes? heart attack waiting to happen? or hidden secret to saving your hair?

[Anonymous No.17238688]

>>17238673

Would just eating a tiny amount of rogaine have the same effect? Or do you actually need a pill.

[Anonymous No.17238698]

>>17238688
are you talking about the stuff you apply directly to your head? pretty sure it contains other stuff that you probably shouldn't be eating. why would you do that when you don't need a prescription for minox and can easily order pills from anywhere online?
>mfw imaging your spraying minox foam into your mouth like reddi whip

[Anonymous No.17238703]

>zoomer balding thread

[Anonymous No.17238705]

>>17238673
why don't you just put it on your head

[Anonymous No.17238778]

>>17238673
i'm not balding but my crown is often visible bc ive got hella thin hair (got it checked out, not coping). would using minox thicken my hair and stop hair loss?

[Anonymous No.17238784]

>>17238778
just eat raw onions bro

[Anonymous No.17238967]

>>17238673
>just take a systemic vasodilator bro
if you're taking enough to have an effect you're going to fuck your circulatory system up, why would you do that

>>17238778
probably? it might depend on if it works by vasodilation or inhibiting DHT receptor expression,and the only paper on the latter is pretty new so im not placing any bets

[Anonymous No.17239017]

>>17238673
I am microneedling every 2 week, massgaing the scalp every day, and applying peppermint oil diluted in a carrier oil over night most nights. When is this supposed to start working? I've seen accelerated hairloss so far but I keep being reassured this happens before the regrowth.

[Anonymous No.17239026]

>>17238673
nothing works! just shave and drop the ego. just own it

[Anonymous No.17239030]

>>17239017
For how long have you been doing that? Microneedling should be once a week. I personally dont know about peppermint oil. If I was you id rather use the minox lotion. Also take some saw palmetto and biotin supplements

[Anonymous No.17239034]

>>17238673
Never take systemic minoxidil, topical is much safer and more effective

[Anonymous No.17239043]

Watch MorePlatesMoreDates videos on hair loss. All the info you need. Good luck bro.

[Anonymous No.17239117]

>>17238673
>tfw it’s 2022 and still no cure for hairloss
>meanwhile they were able to concoct a vaccine for covid within 6 months
it doesn’t add up bros

[Anonymous No.17239225]

>>17239117
Vaccine technology has been widely understood before the rona so it was just application of already studied methods to produce the vax

[Anonymous No.17239282]

>>17239117
Hair loss is purely cosmetic, and theres much more to profit in selling pills and lotions to take for the rest of your life than finding a definitive solution

[Anonymous No.17239348]

I always had a huge amount of hair, that even the barber struggled to cut them. But after a month of wageslaving and stress my hair began to fall way more than normal rate, I can pass my hand through the back and everytime I will find at least one strand in my hand. I don't know if it's a very unlucky telogen phase. The hair from my front aren't falling, I have the same hairline since high school.
Should I get minox or should it be an issue?

[Anonymous No.17239352]

Minoxidil does not target the root cause of hair loss: DHT miniaturizing hair follicles. It might initially give you great results, but if used on its own, your hair is still going to fall out eventually.

Pyrilutamide is the hottest thing people are talking about now. It's an antiandrogen topical that's more effective than finasteride and also safer according to phase 2 trials.

Some people are getting their hands on it but I don't know about the legalities surrounding that.

[Anonymous No.17239361]

>>17238673
After seeing so many threads like this I've decided if I ever start balding to just let it happen.

It's sad and pathetic to see men so desperate and trying everything under the sun. My one friend went through this problem and probably spent thousands before just accepting it and wearing lots of hats.

[Anonymous No.17239363]

>>17239117
Completely different problems complexity wise.
>>17239282
There's a shit ton of potencial profit for anyone who finds a definitive solution, they just haven't been able to figure it out yet.

[Anonymous No.17239560]

>>17238688
rogaine is like 96% ethanol, go ahead

[Anonymous No.17239564]

>>17239363
>There's a shit ton of potencial profit for anyone who finds a definitive solution, they just haven't been able to figure it out yet.
yes, but do you think big pharma would finance a person who actually wants to solve things?

[Anonymous No.17240059]

>>17239030
>saw palmetto
do NOT touch this stuff

[Anonymous No.17240087]

>>17239560
yummers

[Anonymous No.17240181]

>>17240059
oh be quiet lmao, if you get sides from saw palmetto you're a legit hypochondriac

saw palmetto isn't strong enough to be effective anyways unless you have incredibly mild hair loss (as in it only started in your late 30s onward and mild recession)

gonna need fin if you dont wanna be bald

[Anonymous No.17240317]

>>17239017
The telogen phase of a hair follicle is at minimum 3-6 months, and hair grows slow as fuck, so even without miniaturization to overcome youre looking at probably half a year to most clearly see the results. Are you on fin/dut as well, or ru/pyr?

[Anonymous No.17240318]

>>17239030
Saw palmetto just does what fin or dut does for dht, but less selectively and to other androgens as well, so your basically getting all the possible negatives of fin across a wider spectrum with far less benefit. It's like taking estrogen for hairloss just because reducing your test levels would bring down dht, way worse way to do it.

[Anonymous No.17240319]

>be milfag
>Every early 20's E-3 is complaining about receding hairlines
>Don't tell them all men's hairlines recede slightly between 18 and 25
>Recommend mino
>Cuck them after they lose their sex drive

[Anonymous No.17240321]

>>17239117
>induce an immune response to specific stimuli

Vs

>modify the regulation of a complex preexisting biological mechanism in one specific region without fucking over anything else in the body

We can already cure hair loss, like if you took 10x the dose of minoxidil and started on estrogen and some androgen inhibitors, the issue is we cant cure hair loss without unacceptable sides consistently

[Anonymous No.17240324]

>>17239348
>One strand
dude, thats entirely normal

Also never take min preemptively, it's for inducing more hair growth not preventing it, and your hair becomes tied to it for the rest of your life if you do. If you actually give a shit about stopping mpb first see a derm and insist on a scalp biopsy/trichoscopic examination to know if you even have it, and if so get on something to stop dht. You cant stop the progress without stopping dht, just filling a leaking bucket

[Anonymous No.17240326]

>>17239352
Doubt its safer, the metabolite was found throughout the blood at pretty high concentrations and unlike fin it fucks with other androgens than just dht. I'd probably use it if it passes phase 3 with decent looking data, but I'm more wary of general antiandrogens than just dht conversion inhibitors. I'm biased tho because I've had literally 0 sides on a a full oral dose of fin, not even watery semen or less libido

[Anonymous No.17240369]

>>17240326
how long have u been on fin.

[Anonymous No.17240403]

>>17240324
>dude, thats entirely normal
I don't know, it just weirds me out that if I pass my hand through my hair everytime something will fall, it's abnormal to me. I think I passed the 100 hair a day mark. I will eventually consult a derm.

[Anonymous No.17240407]

>>17240369
Several months

[Anonymous No.17240419]

>>17238673
>what's the verdict on low-dose oral minoxidil?
>Side effects
There's a reason why they made a topical

[Anonymous No.17240443]

>>17240419
>side effects

[Anonymous No.17240509]

>>17240059
>>17240318
Several studies on pubmed shows it has an effect on hairloss albeit inferior to finasteride, google them. Also i literally never heard of anyone getting sides from saw palmetto except some stomachache because of poor quality tablets.

[Anonymous No.17240943]

>>17240509
>it has an effect on hairloss albeit inferior to finasteride

That's literally what I said >>17240318

There is literally zero reason to take saw palmetto, its just a worse version of fin/dut because it operates on the same mechanism but with less specificity and less magnitude

[Anonymous No.17241140]

how do you get this kind of messy hair? i have almost the same exact hair but mine always lays flat

[Anonymous No.17241203]

>>17241140
post pic his is proabaly just really thick and it looks to be flat

[Anonymous No.17241267]

why don't you do hair implants?

[Anonymous No.17241286]

>>17241267
You mean transplanting the hair from the back? We simply do not have the amount of hair needed back there. It's finite amount and if you overharvest it'll look really bad. And to mention the thickness is never there the transplanted hair is usually sparser due to obvious reasons doctors need to keep the harvesting to a minimum.

[Anonymous No.17241316]

>>17241286
There is no way to transfer from another person?

[Anonymous No.17241334]

>>17241316
No. Your immune system sees those hairs as foreign bodies I think there are meds that shut down your immune system to bypass that shit but no one is going to give you them for fucking hair they're mostly used for organ transplants IIRC. Haircloning has been proposed but I haven't followed that shit probably a dead end. Medication, treatments are currently the best solution we have with supplementation by transplating hairs by a reasonable amount.

[Anonymous No.17241348]

>>17241316
Imagine being this retarded.

>>17241334
They are immune suppressant meds, yes, used on organ transplant.

[Anonymous No.17241420]

My father after 6 months of finasteride and minoxidil

[Anonymous No.17241478]

>>17240943
The reason, as I said, is that it still affects hairloss, again, as suggested by several studies on pubmed.

[Anonymous No.17241489]

I made a mix of topical fin + topical min mixed with rosemary and peppermint essential oil (makes hair smell better and healthier - also works well with min as they have the same kind of effect).

The topical fin and min are both alcohol and PG free and mixed with those oils leaves a nice smelling effect and can even style with it instead of gel, if you don't mind a slick look.

I found rogaine/Sons min to leave my hair disgusting as the alcohol drys it out and irrates my scalp. Also had some sides on oral fin and found the topical fin much better.

[Anonymous No.17241495]

>>17241420
he's literally just grew it longer and brushed over lol

[Anonymous No.17241807]

>>17239117

>TFW double-boosted anti-hair loss-pilled and still bald

>blame it on those with hair.

[Anonymous No.17241809]

>>17239225

And yet the current vaccines are still the first ever MRNA vaccines and the first ever coronavirus vaccines.

[Anonymous No.17241810]

>>17239282

That's why Pfizer recommends a COVID booster every fiscal quarter or so lol.

[Anonymous No.17241851]

>>17238698
na its basically just ethanol. I put 2 drops under my tongue in the AM and 1 drop under my tongue at night. (only 1 at night bc 2 makes my heart race when I try to sleep) this is by far the cheapest way to go, a bottle will last forever like this. I dont have any hair loss yet, im 24, but im trying to be proactive about it bc my family tend to be balding as adults. theres quite a few informative threads on sublingually absorbing topical minox on le reddit slash/tressless i believe, some pussy doctor gives some shitty reasons on why not to do it but the guy posting it has a lot of good info

[Anonymous No.17242030]

>>17241478
It only affects it via the same mechanism fin does, so if you wanted to take saw palmetto it would be better just to take fin, and if you wanted to combine them youd be better off just upping the fin dose or adding dut

[Anonymous No.17242032]

>>17241140
Brush your fingers through it, mine does that if I fuck with it enough

[Anonymous No.17242296]

>>17239030
I've been doing it on and off for probably a couple of years now, but anons have assured me it judt takes a really long time, and the increased hairloss to begin with is normal, so i started a much more concerted and consistent effort a bit over a month ago now. Everywhere says a different thing for how often you should mictoneedle, I have 1.5mm needless
>>17240317
No I'm not on any drugs. I just really want the non-medication methods to work out.

[Anonymous No.17242315]

>>17242296
>No I'm not on any drugs. I just really want the non-medication methods to work out.
They won't stop wasting your time and money. A bunch of herbs won't do shit and even if they did they'd attack would act the same way finasteride does with the same risks. Just shave it if you're not willing to take the meds. People like you are why other get scammed you've been fear mongered by a bunch of snake oil salesmen into buying their junk.

[Vieo !!SKISs26Nzbs No.17242351]

>>17238673

The science says, topical minoxidil isn't as effective as oral minoxidil at regrowing hair because topical doesn't do a good job of reaching the hair follicles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXu9qtdf3AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSVTPK2kT0A

And for the people screaming "side effects", the dosage used to affect blood pressure is far greater than what you can use to regrow hair.

Furthermore, taking it sublingually (let the pill dissolve under your tongue instead of swallowing it) bypassing the liver and reduces the chance of side effects even more.

>>17238688

You need the pills.

They are fairly easy to get your hands on through overseas pharmacies.

Get 5mg, split it into 4 parts and put a piece under your tongue every other night when you go to sleep.

That's it.

[Vieo !!SKISs26Nzbs No.17242361]

>>17242351

When I started at the age of 37, I had the dreaded M-shaped hairline.

Now at 40?

I've made a massive recovery.

That red line marks the upper most brow line on my forehead from furrowing my brow so much.

It's harder to see in the second picture since HRT and tret has faded it so much, but look at how far back my hairline was in 2018 compared to now.

And I've got ZERO balding on my crown.

My crown is suuuuuper thick.

I get compliments on my hair and how beautiful it is, all day, almost every day.

If I didn't do any thing to stop my hair loss, I'd be a total slaphead right now.

At first I didn't care and I just accepted it when I was 28.

But after it reached a certain point, it started to bug me; even more so as a repressing trans person.

Now I have an amazing head of hair and I can tolerate looking in the mirror.

Even if it's not perfect, by taking measures to stop my balding, it will be just that easier to get a transplant in the future if I decide to get one.

If you're younger than me and contemplating taking the plunge, just do it.

You'll thank yourself later.

[Vieo !!SKISs26Nzbs No.17242365]

>>17242351
>>17242361

[Anonymous No.17242471]

>>17240326
>Doubt its safer, the metabolite was found throughout the blood at pretty high concentrations and unlike fin it fucks with other androgens than just dht.

I couldn't find any information on whether the metabolite has antiandrogenic properties. Also, there were no reported side-effects associated with antiandrogenic effects based off the phase 2 trials.

[Anonymous No.17242491]

>>17242361
I've always wondered - does your dick still work?

[Anonymous No.17242657]

Jesus fuck boys I’m balding.

[Anonymous No.17242881]

>>17238673
Does this work on the face? Got the thickest healthiest scalp hair and barely anything on my face

[Anonymous No.17242894]

>>17238673
this kind of pharma creep into the mainstream is unsettling, would not be surprised if there were massive class action lawsuits in the next 10 years when side effects become fully understood

[Anonymous No.17242905]

>>17242365
absolute monstrosity

[Anonymous No.17243375]

>>17242881
minoxidil does work on the beard, yes. the cool thing about beards grown with minox is that they gains are permanent; eventually you'll be able to stop the treatment and keep the gains, unlike scalp gains.

[Anonymous No.17243398]

>>17242361
I doubt thats minox. Hrt is growing back your hair.

[Anonymous No.17243405]

>>17242361
>>17242365
hate baldcels that try to spread fake info about 5alpha reductase blockers and make other balds, but holy shit ur so physically repulsive maybe being bald would actually suit you more. you just look like an absolute cluster fuck of masucline and fem features in one ugly package, go full tranny or get a respectable haircut

[sage No.17243631]

>30
>on fin and min for 7 years
>hair is thicker then when I was a teen
>everyone thinks I'm 25
meanwhile anons are getting discouraged by aging bald+beard soifags who missed their chance and regret it every day of their lives

[Anonymous No.17243643]

>>17243631
countering your sage

[Anonymous No.17244113]

>>17241809

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200727145808.htm
July 27, 2020
In a 20-day trial, mice treated with the 3D DP cells had regained 90% of hair coverage at 15 days.

Maybe we will see a cure faster than you think. Anyone else thinks this articel is very promising? I need some comments cause i dont understand why this treatment isnt discussed more frequently.

[Vieo !!SKISs26Nzbs No.17245079]

>>17243405
>you just look like an absolute cluster fuck of masucline and fem features

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.17245111]

>>17238673
Topical minoxidil made my hair fall out in clumps, I literally went almost bald in the space of the 6 months I made myself stick with it.

Be VERY careful with this shit.

I'm not the only person to have experienced that, but it's drowned out by all the parrots who've never used it but just repeat received wisdom about these things (probably paid shills)

[Anonymous No.17245476]

>>17245079
I'm gonna have nightmare now of the floating creatura head

[Anonymous No.17245482]

>>17244113
I mean mechanically it sounds reasonable, the dermal papilla create the environment around a follicle and thus it would be reasonable that they do the signaling for the follicles to grow, if you could replicate that signal and then just blast it everywhere the hair would then try it's best to grow, only being limited by resources. Would love for it to be feasible, since your body has all the resources to produce a bit of hair, it just acts fucking retarded and tells itself not to, but it also sounds too good to be true, especially given that we haven't heard more about it.

[Anonymous No.17245487]

>>17240317
What are fin, dut, ru and pyr?

[Anonymous No.17245492]

>>17241495
>he's literally just grew it longer and brushed over lol
utter nonsense. his hair is very obviously growing thicker.

[Anonymous No.17245872]

fin is safer

[Anonymous No.17246893]

>>17245111
>Topical minoxidil made my hair fall out in clumps
yea it's called shedding and lasts anywhere from months to a year dumbass. if you spend 3 minutes reading about what medication you were using you would know this. yet another know-nothing retard crab spreading misinformation.

[Anonymous No.17247378]

>>17244113
>i dont understand why this treatment isnt discussed more frequently.
Sounds nice, but also the kind of therapy that will probably cost $10'000s for the foreseeable future once it starts being used on humans.

[Anonymous No.17247494]

>>17238673
You mean taken orally?
Yeah I heard it works but they have no idea what it does to the rest of your body.

[Anonymous No.17247720]

>>17238688

[Anonymous No.17247726]

>>17240319
Fuck ya, be the chad Jodie that military MILFs love.

[Anonymous No.17248142]

>>17241420
does his dick still harden when you suck it?

[Anonymous No.17248177]

>>17239117
The (((vaccine))) doesn't do anything, and potentially we could have already cured baldness if it wasn't for big cosmetics

[Anonymous No.17248178]

>>17247720
do you think he got internal hair growth as well rofl

[Anonymous No.17248544]

>>17240324
Dude just give yourself low T for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.17248969]

>>17248544
>preventing testosterone from being converted into DHT is the same as being low T
Ok nigger

[Anonymous No.17249957]

>>17248969
Pharma shill detected.
"IT DOESNT LOWER TESTOSTERONE..... it lowers DHT, which is like turbo testorone and brings up testosterone!!!"
Trading dollars for pennies.
"IT DOESNT LOWER YOUR AMOUNT OF COINS!!!"

>DHT is an offshoot of testosterone. DHT also plays a role in some of the same sexual functions and physiological processes as testosterone, but it's actually much stronger. DHT can bind to an androgen receptor longer, increasing the impact of testosterone production throughout your body.

[Anonymous No.17250704]

>>17249957
Finasteride has been public domain for decades dumb retard. DHT isn't useful for muscles, unlike testosterone, in fact it isn't useful for almost anything other than prostate, hair changes, and timing of puberty entrance/exit. Look at humans who have lack the receptors fin blocks genetically, they just take longer in childhood to speciate into male characteristics but end up the same, whereas men without testosterone do not exist, in fact not even women can live without testosterone. Past puberty massive dht deficiency is entirely invisible, whereas it is immediately obvious for hundreds of signs when someone is low in testosterone. Just because dht binds more to the prostate and skin cells doesnt make it a more useful or effective form of testosterone. Reading comprehensionlet

[Anonymous No.17250800]

>balding zoomers
I'll just leave this here for you all.

[Anonymous No.17251610]

>>17250800
I feel so lucky now

[Anonymous No.17251686]

>>17250800
What the absolute fuck, this can't be real kek

[Anonymous No.17251702]

>>17250800
its so incredibly gay that you have this saved. but anyway, this was me, everyone in high school said I was gonna go bald super early which I brushed off. I did, lost most of my hair in college which sucked but I got over it pretty quickly

[Anonymous No.17251853]

>>17241851
Are you actually ingesting minoxidil liquid...

[Anonymous No.17252055]

>>17240321
Wait estrogen will fix my hair?

[Anonymous No.17252430]

>>17252055
yeah, if you want to truly regain your hairline and are willing to grow tits and lose your virility you should consider hrt


>>17251853
Lot of balding people are desperate people. Imagine risking heart complications because you're too lazy to rub a lotion.

[Anonymous No.17252661]

>>17252055
Only if you shut down androgen activity

[Anonymous No.17253651]

its true the (excessive) masturbation can makes you bald?

[Anonymous No.17253658]

>>17249957
dht is usually the most useful during puberty
after that we don’t really know for sure what it does
role in libido, mental health and inflammation processes
testo can take the role as of dht in many cases to compensate
everybody reacts differently though so there is only one way to find out

[Anonymous No.17254929]

>>17250704
>Look at humans who have lack the receptors fin blocks genetically,
post some examples troon

[Anonymous No.17255035]

>>17254929
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5α-Reductase_2_deficiency
Use a search engine retard
Even with it fully gone since birth they end up male due to testosterone during puberty, blocking it once youre developed isnt gonna do shit

[Anonymous No.17255077]

>>17255035
again troon, post an example of a person with it