FASHIONABLE recommendations for low/zero heel drop sneakers

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17227945]

Have you taken the heel-pill yet anons?
Raised heel that actually stems from a time people were using mounting horses (to get the foot anchored into the saddle-thingy).
Long-term, these sort of shoes are harmful for your posture.

An elevated heel use creates all kinds of imbalances in the chain from toes+heel up to your neck (that neck hurting yet?).

Symptoms of Anterior Pelvic Tilt:
• Weak abdominals
• Weak hammies+glutes
• Tight lower back
• Lordosis lower back
• Lower ribs flaring outwards
• Shoulder slouching in to compensate for weakness found in lower parts of the body, weak rhomboids
• Nerd neck

Bruce Lee said the most important muscle was abs.
Semendemons love abs.

Anons who have taken the heel-pill, what are shoes that you'd recommend?

I know some shoes have 2-4mms of heel drop, I think CP Achilles low also have quite low heel drop. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Being fat is not effay, and anterior pelvic tilt aka Donald Duck posture makes you look fatter than you are.

So any nigger airmax shoe should be completely discarded forever and ever.

CAPTCHA: HGH

[Anonymous No.17227949]

Why do barefoot people make up weird false graphs?

[Anonymous No.17227950]

>weak ass niggaOP has poor posture in shoes

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17227951]

https://www.somfootwear.com/blogs/news/zero-drop-shoes-and-their-benefits

https://www.lemsshoes.com/pages/zero-drop

https://www.thesole.show/en/footwear/the-truth-about-zero-drop-shoes/

Some light reading for whoever cares

[Anonymous No.17227954]

>>17227945
>>17227951
>barefootfetishitstain links to barefoot-biased businesses
genelet OP
post sexy feet pics or fuck off <3

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17227955]

>>17227954
I don't have barefoot-fetish
You're being nonsensical
Yawn

[Anonymous No.17227959]

>>17227949
>>17227950
>heel wearing doofuses think that having a slanted foundation of where you stand doesn't affect the rest of your bodys level of compensation because of it

Wearing heals juts your ass out because it slants your pelvus, ask any woman who's worn heels too, which in turn shifts the entire rest of your body, from your feet to your knees to your back.

Denying basic human anatomy is what's retarded, as most heel wearers do because they literally don't know.

[Anonymous No.17227960]

what's next OP, are you going to tell us about the benefits of barefoot grounding with the earth's magnetic field?

[Anonymous No.17227963]

>>17227954
>heel wearers think that heeled boot companies don't do the exact thing to sell their product.

The only difference is that zero drop is actually right in what they market, it's anatomically sound.

[Anonymous No.17227965]

>>17227945
you just stand at a greater angle on your ankles, none of that shit happens irl

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17227970]

>>17227960
Hehe. I'm not a hippy anon. Just consider what I posted for a moment. Then feel free discard it if it isn't your cup of tea. I just think it makes a lot of sense. I switched over to flatter shoes like vans old skools and some other relatively flat items and I've noticed improvements.
Back in the d I used Air Maxs, Ultra boosts, NMDs the lot. Now my lower back feels a lot more relaxed. The boost sole also has a bouncy effect that feels super unnatural. I know this might seem anecdotal but once I dropped these sort of shoes, the tension in my right quad improved a lot. I also had some initial stiffness under my feet when I switched over to flatter shoes with less heel drop.

[Anonymous No.17227980]

>>17227959
No it doesn't anon. If I stand up straight and get on my toes as if I'm wearing a heel literally nothing changes. Maybe your should consider that you simply have bad posture

[Anonymous No.17227990]

>>17227980
>heeled boot wearers don't believe in your body having a center of gravity, and think walking up/down a slanted hill doesn't necessitate your body to compensate as a result.

Have you ever walked on a slanted surface? Do you truly not think there's a difference in how your body compensates for doing such? Is a boots heel height not mimicking the exact same slant, but at all times? You don' t think your body is going to feel it different if you were to walk up or down a surface for a prolonged period of time as opposed to a flat surface?

Look, you don't have to like wearing zero drop shoes or the companies that make them, but you are definitely wrong in thinking that it doesn't make a difference in how your body aligns itself.

The amount of denial by heel wearers (from guys, not from women) is truly baffling.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17227992]

>>17227990
He might be a manlet?… I understand the cope if that's the case, people are usually irrational

[Anonymous No.17228002]

>>17227990
I don't know about you and but I'm not magically inclined to stick my ass out and hunch my back if I walk down a hill. Can you really not maintain posture walking down a decline? That really doesn't make any sense to me. Do you also realize that the human body is probably the only animal that has 2 modes of ambulation? You can walk on your feel normally but you can also waly on your toes. You usually do it when running. If you can't walk on your toes while maintaining perfect posture then that's your personal issue.
So my question is if I can walk with perfect posture on my toes then what benefit do flat shoes present?

[Anonymous No.17228048]

>>17228002
You're mistakenly equating ones ability to hold a straight posture with a posture that doesn't need to require the body compensate in order to do so.

I'm not saying that wearing boots makes people to not be able to VISUALLY stand upright. However, the body needs to compensate in other ways, and in other areas than the feet, in order to "maintain posture" as a result of standing on a slanted surface.

You are trying to argue against gravity...and you think that "perfect posture" simply means someone standing upright. The body is a complex anatomy, there is compensation that needs to happen in many areas for someone to maintain posture at ALL angles of surface walking.

>So my question is if I can walk with perfect posture on my toes then what benefit do flat shoes present?
Good grief, you are not understanding the argument here. If you're gonna find yourself walking on your toes for a prolonged period of time, do you or do you not think you're going to feel it different than if you were walking on ONLY your heels. It is the same principal, your body compensates in many and various ways to manipulate walking on any angle of surface.

By wearing a raised heel shoes/boot, your bodys 'default' state is one in which your feet are slanted forward, as if you were walking down a slight declined surface for as long as you are wearing them. Do you TRULY not think your body needs to compensate for this new 'defaulted' alignment?

[Anonymous No.17228057]

>>17227945
how did you know that when i put shoes on i stick my ass out and lean my head forward

[Anonymous No.17228104]

>>17228048
>I'm not saying that wearing boots makes people to not be able to VISUALLY stand upright
That's exactly what was implied with the original write up but ok. This was the basis for me talking about perfect posture.
Yes the body has to "compensate" for the pure fact that it's not exactly the same. Despite that after repeated experiments on myself I simply don't feel compelled to have my posture crumble into what you originally posted. Just keep your body straight it's really not that hard. Like I said before humans have evolved to walk on their toes, it's natural.
I think flat shoes work because the people that wear them buy into the whole posture thing and put in a lot of effort to have a good posture.

[Anonymous No.17228130]

>>17228104
>Just keep your body straight it's really not that hard.
With that logic everybody would have fantastic posture
>Like I said before humans have evolved to walk on their toes, it's natural.
Walking on toes, how MUCH of the day? Oversimplified take
>I think flat shoes work because the people that wear them buy into the whole posture thing and put in a lot of effort to have a good posture.
Oversimplification. Fixing posture is not an overnight thing.

[Anonymous No.17228134]

>>17227945

[Anonymous No.17228178]

>>68209372
Seems a lot of people are concerned about this.

[Anonymous No.17228302]

>blames shoes for bad posture

Walker Texas Ranger sure has hell didn’t wear no pussy zero drop barefoot shoes and his posture is perfect. Also some of us still ride horses. You expect me to ride my horse in moccasins like a fucking savage?!? Zero drop is for faggots.

[Anonymous No.17228351]

>OP wears niggshoes and can’t stand straight

[Anonymous No.17228404]

>>17228302
>>17228351
>doesn't understand what is being said in the thread

[Anonymous No.17228501]

>>17228404
>OP is a flat-footed nigger who has to wear zero drop shoes because his body can’t “compensate” for a slight heel lift.

What am I missing?

[Anonymous No.17228510]

>>17228002
>walking down a decline
not same as walking on heels

[Anonymous No.17228514]

>>17228002
>I walk down a hill

I literally imagine walking downhill when I am walking on a flat surface. It makes my posture much better, broader and straighter.

Checked numerous times in front of big mirrors.

[Anonymous No.17228578]

Wearing heels is more like walking on your tip toes all the time, not a decline

[Anonymous No.17228617]

I am about to bestow a blessing upon you. This fixed my APT within a month

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17228714]

>>17228302
>Walker Texas Ranger
Imaginary character
>>17228351
Out of context
>>17228501
Said nothing about my arches. They're fine btw. I'm not flatfooted.
>>17228514
That'a different. You telt your pelvis posteriorly when walking downhill, proving my first point.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17228717]

>>17228714
Tilt*

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17228720]

https://anteriorpelvictilthq.com/identify-anterior-pelvic-tilt-using-thomas-test/

Naysayers can try this test at home with a friend see if they pass

[Anonymous No.17228722]

>>17228714
>telt your pelvis
Nope. What happens is your chest going about 1 cm back therefore the body straightens to keep the center of masses in the same place,
if you imagine walking downhill while walking horizontally.
Also you can have an ugly placement of belly and pelvis anyway, it does not depend on the tilt.

[Anonymous No.17228745]

>>17228720
Lol that’s a test for old people anyone under 40 who isn’t obese will pass

[Anonymous No.17228766]

>>17227951
how about some actual studies and not entertaining salesmen reads?

[Anonymous No.17228769]

>>17228766
ah fuck i just did it myself
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7711763/
>Analysis of variance results indicated positive heel inclination of subjects brought about significantly lower anterior pelvic tilt, lumbar lordosis, and sacral base angles when compared with zero heel inclination (p < .01).

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17228770]

>>17228745
Did you do the test or are you talking out of your ass?

[Anonymous No.17228774]

Why is the one on the right obviously more stable and built for fighting? In Judo, the ready stance is a slight bend at the knees, one foot forward, opposite hand forward, slight lean forward at the hips.

[Anonymous No.17228792]

>>17228770
Yes that’s how I came to that conclusion

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17229281]

>>17228774
It's just like when standing, you have to avoid banana knees (see: hyperextention). People that have swayback also often have banana knees. Ugly as fuck.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17229283]

>>17228774
>>17229281
Something that's rigid is a lot more easy to break. You're supposed to have a slight bend in the knees no matter what. Learned this from a tai chi guy.
I think it also has a bit of a metaphorical value:
Rigid state = easier to break/bruise(ego)

[Anonymous No.17229302]

>>17227951
This ignores the fact that ankles can move independently of the entire body

[Anonymous No.17229375]

OP is genuinely autistic/retarded/schizo/seething

[Anonymous No.17229420]

>>17229302
it's not ignoring that fact.
It's showing that the angle of the foot/ankle requires other areas of the body to compensate. When you make the "default" standing position as one where your feet are slanted in a direction, the rest of the body also needs to reposition itself to compensate for the new default position.

>>17229375
you not understanding what is being said in the thread doesn't make OP everything you say he is. Typical frogposter.

[Anonymous No.17229468]

>>17229420
Try this little experiment
Stand on your feet flat. Then life your heels up.
Did the rest of your body need to shit at all?
No.

[Anonymous No.17229695]

>>17229468
Natural heel hight (that's closer to the ground) in shoes do not make an imperfect posture worse.
Why don't you post the results of your Thomas tests instead of making other hop through your unrelated and unscientific loop?

[Anonymous No.17229699]

>>17229695
Yawn

[Anonymous No.17229720]

>>17227945
try turnshoes

[Anonymous No.17229780]

>>17229699
Yeah your posts are a snore alright

[Anonymous No.17229832]

>>17227949
>>17227980
>>17228002
it's amazing how unaware of their body some people are.
I'v had many arguments with people on topics such as these and it truly feels like people are so disconnected from their body they can't even tell what is happening.
>>17228104
>humans have evolved to walk on their toes, it's natural.
people evolved to land on the forefoot and then let the heel touch the ground.
This isn't walking on toes which very fucked up.
>>17227960
>wow, this fag likes clean drinking water, whats next you going to talk to me about the benefits of accepting jesus christ into your soul? hAHAHAHAHAH
yes, what a wonderfully moronic argument, tie two things together that are unrelated, so you can attack subject A based on subject B.

>>17227945
hey op, flat shoes are cool and all, but it's just one part of a good shoe that is built for humans.
Pic related.
Human shaped toe box. Non-negotiable, this is a must for ALL shoes any shoe that doesn't have this should be thrown out as trash.
No elevation be it at the heel or the front. A good addition, certainly makes walking and running more comfortable when you can use a bigger range on your achilies tendon and have your heel drip lower with each step, rather than bumping into a raised surface in the back which hampers natural leverage.
Flexible shoes. Firm shoes impede movement, good shoes bend from left to right and from to back, you should be able to roll them up with your hands. Makes a big difference in terms of walking comfort when your shoe conforms to the uneven surfaces and your foot can balance based on that, or just the forward motion and bending in that direction.

I went minimalist shoes like 3 years ago and I'm never going back to normal shoes myself. Running is actually enjoyable, walking is comfy. I look at normal shoes like a savage practice, same as genital mutilation of baby boys.

[Anonymous No.17229836]

>>17229832
going to dump some pics related to this topic.

[Anonymous No.17229840]

>>17229836
modern shoe

[Anonymous No.17229844]

>>17229720

[Anonymous No.17229846]

>>17229840
big sandals or barefoot all life

[Anonymous No.17229852]

>>17229846
modern shoe.
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
Peoples feet are passively, slowly deformed. And for what? To save money? To have pointy toeboxes or rounded toeboxes?
It's fucking insanity that humans accept it, but because it's so widely spread and generally progresses slowly, it's outside the sight of normies.
Even I didn't fucking think about it for a long time, only when I seriously started running did I go "fuck this sucks, there has to be a better way" and running barefoot, while scrapped off some skin on my delicate sheltered feet, felt so much better in terms of mechanics.

[Anonymous No.17229862]

>>17229852
>but muh cushion, muh cushion motherfucker, I need cushion
No, you need mechanics that are built into your lower body that actively reduce impact, instead of smashing your legs into the ground.

[Anonymous No.17230066]

>>17229832
>people evolved to land on the forefoot and then let the heel touch the ground.
lmao this nibba walks forwards like he walks backwards

[Anonymous No.17230727]

>>17229832
>hey op, flat shoes are cool and all, but it's just one part of a good shoe that is built for humans.
Pic related.
>Human shaped toe box. Non-negotiable[…]
Yeah I know anon.
But the thing that's least compromisable is the heel drop. I remember using Ultra Boost and they were SUCH garbage with the tiny toe box and the overly exaggerated toe-spring. The rubbery boost bouncing effect is also terrible. It literally makes you unstable.

I remember having met a guy from Berlin once that did Asthanga Yoga since he was young and he had the best body language/presence I've seen in a person, without it being forced. Makes you think.
I don't know how to describe it but when he stood, he really STOOD there. Steadfast. He was lean too, rather skinny I'd say.

>>17229852
Ok so what shoes do you recommend? Because other than Lems, maybe, a lot of the shoes don't look that cool or are made for stupid hippies.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17230731]

>>17229832
>hey op, flat shoes are cool and all, but it's just one part of a good shoe that is built for humans.
>Human shaped toe box. Non-negotiable[…]
Yeah I know anon.
But the thing that's least compromisable is the heel drop. I remember using Ultra Boost and they were SUCH garbage with the tiny toe box and the overly exaggerated toe-spring. The rubbery boost bouncing effect is also terrible. It literally makes you unstable.

I remember having met a guy from Berlin once that did Asthanga Yoga since he was young and he had the best body language/presence I've seen in a person, without it being forced. Makes you think.
I don't know how to describe it but when he stood, he really STOOD there. Steadfast. He was lean too, rather skinny I'd say.

>>17229852
Ok so what shoes do you recommend? Because other than Lems, maybe, a lot of the shoes don't look that cool or are made for stupid hippies.

[Anonymous No.17230754]

>>17230731
>But the thing that's least compromisable is the heel drop.
Well already said my opinion, that toebox is most important followed by other things that are important but not as vital.

>I don't know how to describe it but when he stood, he really STOOD there. Steadfast.
Not really sure what you mean. Most people are weak and have shit posture on top so they all look like shit to me anyway.

>Ok so what shoes do you recommend?
Anything that has
Good toebox
flat without dumb raising of heels or toes
flexible so it conforms to your foot and the terrain
none to little padding that goes hand in hand with the above
oh and cheap if possible
Any shoe that fits these is what I get.

Pic related is what I used for a year, and I have been using similar products that I get off amazon, there is like 40-50 off brands all with minor variations.
They typically last me a year worth of running and everyday daily use.

[Anonymous No.17230770]

>>17229832
>>17229836
>>17229840

All these shoes are too small. Every graphic in favor of barefoot shoes always
always shows someone with their toes smashed up against the end of the shoe because some people don’t wear the correct size which of course fucks up your feet. There is a reason why there are different lasts and widths in proper shoes and boots.

[Anonymous No.17230786]

>>17230770
>All these shoes are too small. Every graphic in favor of barefoot shoes always
All normal shoes are too small, unless you get them at such a huge size that your feet can slide around back and forth like you are a kid wearing their parents shoes.
>There is a reason why there are different lasts and widths in proper shoes and boots.
And the proper width and length will still result in your toes being pushed inward because they made a retarded inhuman curve inward.
Look, I'v talked to people about this long enough to know that if you have a mindset of "noooo normal shoes are AHHH it's all fake, fakkee!" then there is not convincing you.
And frankly I don't care. Do what you want, it's your feet.

I'm only sharing these things for people who DO give a shit about their body, who are like "damn normal shoes sure as shitty, there has to be a better way" and I'm here to tell you, yes there is.
I spent most of my life in normie shoes, unaware of this shit.
But now that I know that a better way exists, I will never fucking get into normie shoe given any chance at all.

[Anonymous No.17230794]

>>17230786

[Anonymous No.17230919]

>>17230786

>All normal shoes are too small, unless you get them at such a huge size that your feet can slide around back and forth like you are a kid wearing their parents shoes.

What shoes did you wear before? Legitimately curious because every barefoot shill I’ve met in irl only wore sneakers that were too small for them.

> And the proper width and length will still result in your toes being pushed inward because they made a retarded inhuman curve inward.

If you’re toes are being pushed inward then you have the wrong size. There is a difference between useable and unusable toe space which barefoot shills and normies do not seem to understand.

[Anonymous No.17230933]

>>17230919
>barefoot shill
>barefoot shills
>are you sure you just never in your entire life got shoes big enough for your foot?
yeah, as I said, it's pointless to argue with people like you.

[Anonymous No.17231011]

>>17229832
>people evolved to land on the forefoot and then let the heel touch the ground.
not when you run you absolute fool humans evolved with 2 different gaits.
>hurr durr walking is not running.
Doesn't matter walking on the balls of your feet is completely fine just as running is.
It's funny because people like you just attach their entire personality to ideas with tenuous benefits like vegans or anti car people.

[Anonymous No.17231021]

>>17231011
>>people evolved to land on the forefoot and then let the heel touch the ground.
>not when you run you absolute fool humans evolved with 2 different gaits.
>not when you run
The fuck are you even saying?
>It's funny because people like you just attach their entire personality to
Projection and shitposting, this is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.17231026]

>>17231021
>The fuck are you even saying?
If you don't understand maybe you should just stop posting

[Anonymous No.17231032]

>>17231026
Your post looks like illogical ramblings so I'm giving you the chance to clarify your position.
Given the fact that you don't seem to have a point, just throw shitposts and refuse to actually make a coherent point. I can only assume your plan is to shitpost me to death.

[Anonymous No.17231042]

>>17231032
you're free to think that but I've already explained itt that humans have evolved to walk both heel to toe and on the balls of your feet. But lets be honest you don't really care and you will never shift you beliefs.

[Anonymous No.17231046]

>>17231042
>but I've already explained itt that humans have evolved to walk both heel to toe and on the balls of your feet.
Here is what you said an I quote, an actual quote, not typing random green text strawman:
>not when you run you absolute fool humans evolved with 2 different gaits.
>Doesn't matter walking on the balls of your feet is completely fine just as running is.

> But lets be honest you don't really care and you will never shift you beliefs.
Stop projecting yourself on to me.

[Anonymous No.17231054]

>>17231046
ok how many more time do you need the same thing written out for you?

[Anonymous No.17231060]

>>17231054
Make a clear concise point.
Don't throw your opinion of my sexuality in, don't talk about what you did to my mother, don't tell me about your fanfiction you written about me.
All of those things are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.17231095]

>>17231060
Humans evolved to walk on the ball of the feet therefore a heel drop is not automatically catastrophic to you. It's really not that complicated

[Anonymous No.17231137]

>>17231095
Okay, a clear point. I can work with this.
>Humans evolved to walk on the ball of the feet
Correct so far.
>therefore a heel drop is not automatically catastrophic to you.
I'm assuming you mean "heel drop" as in raised heel in shoes(who knows why the fuckers call it the inverse of what it is).
Here is the issue.
If you reduce the travel area your heel can travel before it hits a hard stop. You are essentially limiting the lever in your foot, that reduces the impact of your body weight hitting the ground in a gradual fashion, stores that energy in the tendons, and then releases that energy once the center of gravity of the foot shifts.
You can kind of think of it as having a spring.
Now, when you put a wedge under your heel, what happens i that you are reducing that travel distance. The tendons have less range of motion to slow you down, capture that energy and then release it afterwards.
So you take an elegant level design with elastic bands.
And turn it into a stump that makes less, or no use of the elastic bands.
Get it? The movement of the heel going up and down, the tendons stretching and pulling back.
That is lessened or removed because instead your heel is constantly resting on some wedge.

Yes, in either case your forefoot is hitting the ground, but if you remove the entire level system behind it and use your foot as a stump, the entire point is lessened or removed.

[Anonymous No.17231154]

>>17231137
That doesn't seem like it's actually a big deal

[Anonymous No.17231159]

>>17231154
okay, I'm out, you wasted enough of my time.

[Anonymous No.17231257]

i have vivo gobi 3s

I'd prefer gobi 2's but oh well

[Anonymous No.17231259]

hey everyone,
i'm still looking for studies supporting any claims in this thread.

[Anonymous No.17231271]

I use barefoot shoes regularly because they feel so comfortable for me and i really like the added stability at the gym. I have Feelgrounds Original Knit in black which i think are the most discrete barefoot shoes out there.
Having this said, despite my love for wearing them, they look like shit and every single other pair of barefoot shoes looks even worse. On top of that, if you wear these too much, your toes will spread an you won-t be able to wear decent looking shoes without pain.
It's basically a tradeoff between feeling good or looking good, i wish that wasn't the case.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17231331]

>>17231257
>vivo gobi 3s
I'm sorry but how do you style em? Do you have any pics? I know of vivobarefoot but I haven't had the courage to take a risk with them as I don't have a physical shop where I could try on the shoe before I commit.

>>17231271
>Feelgrounds Original Knit
Yeah ok, these seem rather inoffensive (in a good way). The Original Luxe one is ok too. Actually Knit, Mesh and Luxe(leather) seem ok. Thanks.

So for now to recapitulate:
• (CP Achilles low or similar)
• Lems
• Vivobarefoot
• Feelgrounds
• Mizuno, spec. Cursoris (4.8mm heel drop though)

[Anonymous No.17231347]

>>17227945
lol autistic monkey OP

[Anonymous No.17231360]

>>17231271
>On top of that, if you wear these too much, your toes will spread
and thats a GOOD THING!

[Anonymous No.17231433]

hi, newfag!

[Anonymous No.17231886]

>>17231360
It-s a good thing for health but it means normal good looking shoes will hurt

[Anonymous No.17232116]

not reading the thread but vivobarefoot are unironically great the basic ones look shit but they do some leather ones that look ok just get those

[Anonymous No.17232120]

>>17227945
Like that? That a good standing position?

[Anonymous No.17232155]

>>17231886
>It-s a good thing for health but it means normal good looking shoes will hurt
Imagine thinking people should constantly use a cuck cage otherwise if they let their dick out for too long, it will get big and hard which means you can no longer wear a cuck cage without pain.
Solution to me, seems to just not wear the cuck cage in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17232161]

I have been wearing vivos almost exclusively for years. Maybe 10 years or more? I don't remember. A long time, anyway.
They're great but they are not a magic posture bullet.
I'm also a standing desk weirdo.
They're great but they're not a magic posture bullet.
Your best bet to fix posture is probably just pick up a basic strength routine like Starting Strength, not think about your posture, see where you are in six months.

Hip flexor stretches and taking plenty of walks would be something, I guess.

[Anonymous No.17232193]

>>17232161
can you still comfortably wear normal shoes? dress shoes?

[Anonymous No.17232196]

Just throwing it out there, but this guy has written a fucking book about walking on his toes and...lo and behold: picrel.

[Anonymous No.17232204]

>>17232193
Why would he ever wear normal shoes? If he does, then he has nothing to talk about. Talking about feet is literally his entire personality now.

[Anonymous No.17232205]

>>17232204
>>17232196
obsessed shitposter is back, great

[Anonymous No.17232206]

>>17232205
>every Anon is the same user.

[Anonymous No.17232210]

>>17232206
you are extremely obvious with your deranged posting, don't think just because you can post a meme image and greentext that everybody suddenly is fooled.

[Anonymous No.17232220]

>>17232196
>holy shit it's real
This whole thread makes so much sense now.

[Anonymous No.17232226]

>>17232210
If I'm so obvious, show me where else I've posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.17232235]

>>17232196
>>17232204
>>17232206
>>17232220
>>17232226
Stop larping and shitting up threads. Go do something with your day.

[Anonymous No.17232242]

>>17232235
Here you go.
>inb4 you edited the html in less than a minute!

[Anonymous No.17232254]

>>17232242
you are fucking retarded if you think ANYbody will fall for that shit.

[Anonymous No.17232257]

>>17232254
>five minutes in paint to copy some (You)
Here's another (You) for (You), sweetheart.

[Anonymous No.17232261]

>>17232257
Are you literally underage and think shitposting and trolling is cool?
Is that why you act like you don't know how the internet works and think your shitty attempts to samefag will work?
Listen kid, everybody can see through your shit, the reality is that most people don't care that you larp and shit up threads they just move on with their day, not because you le epic trolled them and pulled of a master deceit.

[Anonymous No.17232277]

>>17232261
Not him, but Jesus fucking Christ, you know the goal of the troll is to make you mad, right?

Well, mission accomplished on his part. Just take a breath. He can only troll you if you let him. Prove you have the temper control of someone older than 15.

Back to the topic at hand, I like these. They look like skate shoes (and actually aren't that bad for skating, actually). It's only when seen directly from above that they don't look like a normal shoe.

[Anonymous No.17232282]

>>17232277
>Not him, but Jesus fucking Christ, you know the goal of the troll is to make you mad, right?
Yes.
>Well, mission accomplished on his part.
Who are you to speak for my emotional state? Calling a retard out for repeatedly shitting up threads is not the same as being emotionally affected by it.
>Prove you have the temper control of someone older than 15.
You are trying too hard to damage control this as some win by painting me out as some emotionally blasted individual.
Do I have to post that decade old image of
>hurrr duurr look at me I'ma retard
>fuck off retard
>YES EPIC TROLLED!

>Back to the topic at hand, I like these.
Looks pretty good good in terms of shape, but it can be better. Pic related from that site, thats probably the ideal shape of the toebox for my own feet since they have spread out somewhat from years of running in better shoes and avoiding normie shoes like the plague.
But it's hard to tell from just pictures.

[Anonymous No.17232292]

>>17232282
Dude, relax. No one types that much if they don't care.

I know there's probably less restrictive shoes out there, but in my case, most of the time I'm actually barefoot, i.e. at home, or I'm wearing flip-flops/sandals. I'm lucky enough that I own my own business so I get to wear what I want.

But yeah, I like that the Anatomics have a relatively thin sole. I don't like a lot of barefoot shoes because I think they look silly, like upsized toddler's shoes. I'd rather just wear sandals then.

[Anonymous No.17232341]

>>17227970
It accentuates the good parts for women, I don't mind that.

[Anonymous No.17232347]

They don't look too weird, and I can imagine they are easy to pack in your suitcase also.

[Anonymous No.17232365]

>>17232347
>They don't look too weird
They don't, but that's also the nicest thing you can say about how these kinds of shoes look.

Thus, the answer to the question in the OP is going to be No. They may be comfortable, they may even be better for you, but they are decidedly not fashionable.

[Anonymous No.17232425]

>>17232365
>being sick and crippled with deformed feet is fashionable

[Anonymous No.17232435]

>>17232425
You'd be surprised the lengths people go to for fashion.

[Anonymous No.17232443]

>>17232425
You're on a fashion board, dumbass. Being healthy never comes into play.

[Anonymous No.17232450]

>>17232443
>It's fashion bruv, practicality and health never dome into play
>what about fashion that makes you look good, but doesn't cripple or deform you in some fashion
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.17232451]

>>17232443
not him, but being unhealthy is very /fa/.
a healthy un-/fa/ guy is gonna look better than an unhealthy "/fa/" guy, 9/10 times.

[Anonymous No.17232454]

>>17232451
>but being unhealthy is very /fa/
meant *not /fa/

[Anonymous No.17232476]

>>17232454
>a healthy un-/fa/ guy is gonna look better than an unhealthy "/fa/" guy, 9/10 times.
here ya go, a healthy un-/fa/

[Anonymous No.17232484]

>>17232476
>Why yes, I am a sysadmin, how'd you guess?

[Anonymous No.17232488]

>>17232120
Are you stupid or blind or both?

>>17232196
That explains why some anons are vehemently defending the high heels. That or manlets/goblinas, or both.

>>17232443
A healthy body is attractive.
The most /fa/ thing is the body. Think Greek statues.

[Anonymous No.17232489]

>>17232476
Is the low angle shot to make yourself look taller the men's version of girls taking a high angle shot to make them look thinner?

[Anonymous No.17232493]

>>17232488
>Think Greek statues.
and there we smoothly transition from foot fetishism straight to pedophilia. Like clockwork.

[Anonymous No.17232504]

>>17232489
>Is the low angle shot to make yourself look taller
No. Just nothing to put the camera on at the correct height, so a chair was used which is like knee high.
If anything it makes me look shorter as the over all length is reduced.

[Anonymous No.17232505]

>>17232493
Whats your point?

[Anonymous No.17232506]

>>17232505
that he is obsessed with sex so any topic you talk about is sexual to him.
Talking about cars? Yep he thinks we want to fuck cars.

[Anonymous No.17232509]

>>17232504
So you're like 5'8". Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.17232512]

>>17232425
>sick
>crippled
>deformed

Funny how all these people with deformed feet can stand longer on hard surfaces and run faster over a wider variety of terrain than “barefoot” runners.

[Anonymous No.17232516]

>>17232506
KEK

[Anonymous No.17232517]

>>17232512
>aahhh I need arch "support" footwear!

u srs m8?

[Anonymous No.17232521]

>>17232509
lol! funny
>>17232512
>Funny how all these people with deformed feet can stand longer on hard surfaces
ah yes, the normies with "muh knees hurt" and "doc you gotta help, my bunions are killing me, my back is aching"

[Anonymous No.17232541]

>>17232521
As opposed to the barefooters who are like
>Doc help! I stepped in dogshit and now I have hookworm and my immune system is compromised from that AIDS needle I stepped on last month.

[Anonymous No.17232548]

>>17232541
you're really reaching there, stupid.
which do you think is a lot more common for a doc to hear?

And remember, pretending to be retarded is still being retarded.

[Anonymous No.17232553]

>>17232517
>>17232521

And these normies with sore feet needing arch support are literally faster than you in your silly zero drop duck flipper shoes.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17232554]

I did not expect this thread to get this heated up.
Any zero or low drop shoe suggestions that don't look like complete shit are still MOST welcome.

[Anonymous No.17232556]

>>17232554
See>>17232365

[Anonymous No.17232557]

>>17232553
>And these normies with sore feet needing arch support are literally faster than you in your silly zero drop duck flipper shoes.
And, the source for these claims are...?

[Anonymous No.17232558]

>>17232557
The guy who spouts unprovable/debunked claims about the benefits of being barefoot needs proof all of a sudden? I’ll just get it from your mom’s ass.

[Anonymous No.17232559]

>>17232553
>are literally faster than you

is this really your argument here

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17232560]

>>17232556
Yeah but they look kinda clowny you know what I mean? I wish they didn't but they (sort of) do.

[Anonymous No.17232563]

>>17232558
So you admit to just making shit up? Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.17232564]

>>17232554

Just cut the bottoms out of your normal shoes.

[Anonymous No.17232569]

>>17232560
Same. That’s why I usually wear sandals. If I have to wear normal shoes I just buck up for a couple hours and then take my shoes back off as soon as I can.

[Anonymous No.17232570]

>>17232563
That’s not fair man. You never proved any of your claims.

[Anonymous No.17232571]

>>17232564
>shitty toebox
>while having a useless piece of trash over the top of the foot
lol

[Anonymous No.17232581]

>>17232557

Go run a half or full marathon and look at all the barefoot shills in the back of the pack.

>>17232559
Yes, normies with “crippled and deformed” feet from normal shoes can run faster in those normal shoes.

[Anonymous No.17232589]

>>17232571
>describes every zero drop minimalist shoe

[Anonymous No.17232591]

>>17232581
This is where he points out that some guy won the Olympic marathon barefoot 50 years ago.

[Anonymous No.17232594]

>>17232581
>Go run a half or full marathon and look at all the barefoot shills in the back of the pack.
Let me get this straight.
You are using other people running a marathon.
To judge how fast I run, and how fast a normie with normie shoes that has knee problems from their shit shoes runs.
Is this like those soccer fans that think they are literally part of the team they cheer for? "WE WON THE GAME" and shit?

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17232595]

>>17232569
I feel that. I rotate some biz casual or casual sneakers that don't look completely autistic without any branding and I try to make sure to not wear a pair two days in a row (in my experience the inside collapses a lot faster that way if one uses a pair too many days consecutively).

[Anonymous No.17232599]

>>17232591
Ahh yes 1 guy 50 years ago. Completely ignore every other African that wears performance running shoes and has won since then.

[Anonymous No.17232600]

>>17232594
>only I may cherry pick anecdotal evidence

[Anonymous No.17232601]

>>17232581
Most people aren't Olympic athletes, in case you've not noticed. Stop bringing hyperbole to the discussion, and certainly not on my behalf.

>>17232581
>can run faster in those normal shoes.
we're talking about running now? Everyone that goes to the doc because their fucked knees and difficulty in so much as walking is because they're runners?

[Anonymous No.17232602]

>>17232600
Considering you are the only one doing that here, it sure seems like you think that way.

[Anonymous No.17232603]

>>17232602
True. You’re not bothering to provide any evidence at all. Lmao

[Anonymous No.17232608]

>>17232601
>Everyone that goes to the doc because their fucked knees and difficulty in so much as walking is because they're runners?
It’s probably because they’re fat and/or old.

[Anonymous No.17232611]

>>17232603
Evidence for what you psycho.
You made a claim. I called you out on it.
Then you go full derangement and start trying to project your shit on to me and basically saying "no u".

[Anonymous No.17232612]

>>17232595
We’ll do you have to wear shoes for work or something or is it really cold where you are?

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17232614]

>>17232608
If your posture is trash then I'd say that the damage done is proximate to the damage done being fat. Obesity creates an environment for trash posture. But you can also have bad posture when being skinny. So that means it's a muscular imbalance. Some places are working too hard whilst other aren't doing anything.

[Anonymous No.17232615]

>>17232611
Evidence that everyone has knee problems because of shoes

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17232622]

>>17232612
I used to live in Norway so I managed this last winter to survive with Allbirds Wool Pipers. One could also spray them with product to protect them a bit. Now I live in Barcelona like a proper gringo expat and I don't really need shoes that are that wintery.

[Anonymous No.17232629]

>>17232614
Kids just aren’t taught to stand up straight or sit up straight anymore. I remember no one ever told me until I joined the Marines. (Speaking of terrible footwear, by the way. )

[Anonymous No.17232634]

>>17232601
>hyperbole

Missing the whole point why “normal” shoes exist in the first place.

[SHGB_PP !!4wQvx9rCPQD No.17232651]

>>17232629
Most people are also leaning in like they're jumping and/or have banana knees ("Please master, give me orders! I want to obey! I'm ready!"). A lot of women specifically have this for God knows what reason. It's also fuckugly to look at.

[Anonymous No.17232691]

>>17232634
you mean modern shoes made in the last 50 years, or the shoes used through out history up to that point?

[Anonymous No.17232695]

>>17232615
I mean you could just goolge it if you actually cared to find evidence for it.
But something tells me you don't want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pk9t3BAsic

[Anonymous No.17232698]

>>17232695
I'm not doing your homework for you.

[Anonymous No.17232703]

>>17232698
oh so even though there is lots of information you actively avoid it because you want to hold the viewpoint you already hold.
Got it.

[Anonymous No.17232705]

>>17232703
Come on man, stand up for your side. If you had so much information, you'd be able to give us more than a 2 minute youtube video.

[Anonymous No.17232708]

>>17232695
That video did not prove everyone has knee problems because of shoes.

[Anonymous No.17232715]

>>17232708
I wear shoes all the time. I even run in shoes, including marathons. I’ve never had a single knee problem.
Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.17232720]

>>17232705
Not that anon but with you it's always something

[Anonymous No.17232725]

>>17232705
>Come on man, stand up for your side
What do you mean "my side".
This isn't a kiddie fight in school.
If you want to wear shit shoes for the rest of your life, you can. I don't care for you. If you make arguments for eating shit, you can, I don't care if you eat shit.
You have made it painfully clear that you are here just to shitpost stubbornly and nothing in the world will change you opinion.
Why waste any time and energy to try to change your opinion?
You keep forgetting, that although you can cover your ears and scream LA LA LA at the top of your lungs to block out what I'm saying.
The other people in the "room" will simply look at you like a as a lunatic and not take what you say seriously.
Ultimately it's these people I'm talking to, the reasonable people in the room who haven't really decided, who are okay with considering ideas.
I know from personal experience which shoe type is better. And anybody interested can find that out as well. No amount of shitposting from you will change that.

[Anonymous No.17232726]

Ok motherfuckers stop arguing and link some flat, wide toe-box, airy, comfy shoes that won't break in 2 months because they're ansolute chinesium/vietnamesium. I actually bought wide shoes recently because I noticed the toe shit, but now I'm noticing that the elevates heel and the toe bouncy thing fuck me up too.

[Anonymous No.17232727]

>>17232720
Sorry. I just don’t like it when the campus libs tell me how to vote or the Jehovas Witnesses tell me how to pray.
You can see how brittle their faith is by asking a few questions.

[Anonymous No.17232735]

>>17232726
Product does not exist. They’re cheap enough to replace when they break. Plus with all the money you save by not going on dates anymore (because they make you stink) the cost will be negligible.

[Anonymous No.17232737]

>>17232726
>>17230754
My chinesium shoes last me a year, pic related, a year worth of daily use and running.

[Anonymous No.17232744]

>>17232737
That wear on the heel. My knees ache for you.

[Anonymous No.17232745]

>>17232725
Holy shit, you're fucking mad.

[Anonymous No.17232747]

>>17232744
please don't try to interpret how they were used with the mindset of running only on flat ground.

[Anonymous No.17232761]

>>17232745
holy shit are you crying?

[Anonymous No.17232762]

>>17232747
If it’s only on flat ground they’d have no wear at all on the heel, like track spikes.

[Anonymous No.17232763]

>>17232705
>>17232727
pic rel, holy shit dude

>>17232745
Not him, but deciding to no longer humor some jackass on the internet doesn't make him someone who's "mad"

[Anonymous No.17232764]

Surprised that /fa/ggots can get this autistic.

[Anonymous No.17232765]

>>17232763
> Not him, but deciding to no longer humor some jackass on the internet doesn't make him someone who's "mad"
No one who writes an essay like that is in a calm state of mind. Be realistic.

[Anonymous No.17232767]

>>17232764
You should check out /wt/ then lmfao

[Anonymous No.17232769]

>>17232765
>being thorough is being mad

social media bite-sized character limits really did a number on people's ability to read. How sad.

[Anonymous No.17232775]

>>17232762
>If it’s only on flat ground they’d have no wear at all on the heel, like track spikes.
precisely, but because they were used extensively in steep sections, specifically trails and running down hill, the heel gets some wear as well.
If not for that, the wear would be only on the forefoot.
Oh camber of the road/trail can also affect things if it's repeatedly biased towards one side.

[Anonymous No.17232779]

>>17232725
>Ultimately it's these people I'm talking to, the reasonable people in the room who haven't really decided, who are okay with considering ideas.

I read your entire post for some reason along with this whole thread. Call it morbid curiosity. You've long ago stopped trying to convince others to wear zero drop shoes. In fact, it looks like you've spent the last five or six hours being led around the nose by an extremely obvious troll.
This could have been a good thread. It was ruined by both you AND the troll.

[Anonymous No.17232787]

>>17232737
Can you link those? I live in a shithole so I have to look at the provider model and look for similar models in my country if they exist.

[Anonymous No.17232793]

>>17232779
Consider the following.
My point was already made, info has been dumped to at the very least bring some awareness of the concept to peoples minds.
https://youtu.be/-X4wWbBGvtQ?t=37

[Anonymous No.17232822]

>>17232787
>Can you link those? I live in a shithole so I have to look at the provider model and look for similar models in my country if they exist.
There is like 40-50 off-brands on amazon.
It should be around 30-50$
Just search for minimalist. There is small variations in tread pattern, shape, rigidity of the top part of the shoe and so on. Look around see if you can find any options that look decent. I assume all of them are of similar quality, though obviously I haven't tried them all.
Exact brand probably means nothing, as quality can change. Even the same brand but different shoes, the quality can change.
Even the same brand, the same shoe, the quality can change over time, as they use shittier materials for example.
So I don't believe in advertizing any kind of brand or model.
Only concepts of what a good shoe should be.
Whatever you find in your country that offers that at the cheapest price, is probably what you should get.

Oh last mention, the shoes I use are dry only. They let airflow through easily so I only use them in dry conditions or in snow, but never while it's raining or wet snow.
If you want minimalist and in wet conditions, you probably will have to pay more for a more quality brand that does a closed system shoe, rather than open and breathable top mesh.

[Anonymous No.17232842]

>>17232793
>le epic hitler
So edgy

[Anonymous No.17232847]

>>17232842
>nooo not hitlerino hes evilrinooooo
grow up

[Anonymous No.17232849]

>>17232847
You first.

[Anonymous No.17232860]

>>17232793
>Easily baited, a barefootfag, AND an "ironic" racist?

[Anonymous No.17232861]

>>17232849
I was never born

[Anonymous No.17233257]

>>17232822
im not the one who asked but what is that exact model please? (I live in the US)

[Anonymous No.17233265]

>>17233257
There is no exact model. They're literally all the same construction. They mix up the molds for the outsole rubber to switch it up. Just get whatever's cheapest.
Understand that there's zero technology that goes into these. It's just something to strap a piece of rubber to the soles of your feet.

[Anonymous No.17233273]

>>17233265
con't. from >>17233265

These are them. 40 bucks.
https://www.amazon.com/Running-Minimalist-Barefoot-Trainers-Outdoor/dp/B09QPVT69B/ref=sr_1_50?crid=38QF02EWRCDB8&keywords=barefoot+shoes+running&qid=1662504769&sprefix=barefoot+shoes+running%2Caps%2C110&sr=8-50

[Anonymous No.17233281]

>>17233257
b-but I just explained that you shouldn't get hung up about exact model as there is many different kinds with small varriations. Look based on price.
Make sure the bottom of the sole doesn't have water holes in them.
That the toebox is good, that is flexible and that it has the right size for you, then find the cheapest one.
You can also choose tread patterns and how much rigidity the mid section has, some have only cloth, others have some plastic.
Some sit on your feet a bit more secure, others have more flat/wide bottom sole.
Again lots of variations, take a look for yourself.

[Anonymous No.17233287]

>>17233273
FWIW I have a friend who's super ripped and is very much into working out and all and he does the same thing. When jogging or summer when the style is slacking the he uses off-brand amazon minimalist zd shoes. He couldn't praise them enough.

[Anonymous No.17233298]

>>17233287
Why didn't you ask your super-ripped friend what exact model he wears?

[Anonymous No.17233327]

>>17231154
it's a huge fucking deal retard

[Anonymous No.17233334]

>>17233298
I have already and standing by for answer. He answered right now.

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/WHITIN-deportivos-minimalistas-sensación-descalza/dp/B08CHN9HQD?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

[Anonymous No.17233337]

>>17233287
>FWIW I have a friend who's super ripped
this him? https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1661470432924283.webm

[Anonymous No.17233340]

>>17233334
Ay yi yi, que zapatos por menos dinero!
*shoots guns into the air in celebration*
*gets deported*

[Anonymous No.17233341]

>>17233340
I asked him about that and it's because he has set the system language to Spanish. Probably to learn.

[Anonymous No.17233342]

>>17233337
what part of the country are you from where super ripped means obviously gay?

[Anonymous No.17233344]

>>17233334
those ones, have that more firm center line in the sole, that I don't like. See how it's not a flat shape all around? But instead bends in? This is not a desirable quality in my opinion.
But it has a more firm mid section at the top of the foot that holds the shoe more firmly in place which is important at higher speeds of running.
These aren't bad by any means, just they aren't perfect in my opinion because of that sole being made narrow for no reason.

[Anonymous No.17233353]

>>17233334
>>17233344
here is an image supplement to my point.

[Anonymous No.17233359]

>>17233353
Aaaah yeah yeah I get what you mean. Do you know if there's any research on this particular aspect of the underpart of the shoe? I mean filled width vs. lean. I remember being explained by a foot-expert that the way weight is distributed is that it start at the heel (if you're walking (only forefoot if running)) and it then moves from the outer part of the foot, following all the way up the curve to the first bone of the smallest toe, goes through the row of toes over to the other side of the toe row and the ball of the foot. Like a smooth gradual motion.

[Anonymous No.17233374]

>>17233359
>Aaaah yeah yeah I get what you mean. Do you know if there's any research on this particular aspect of the underpart of the shoe? I mean filled width vs. lean.
Research? No. But from personal experience I can tell you I preffer the flat sole that doesn't have artifical narrowing in the sole. So if you are running slowly, I would take the design on the right.
If you are running fast, then having the shoe fit more securely is important and the shoe design on the left is better.
Ideally I'd have a flat bottom, but something to tighten it on the top, a combination of the two, but I haven't found such options on amazon yet.
>>17233359
Feet actually have two vectors of turning that does to mitigate the impact.
Forward and back, when you flex your foot forward and back.
And from side to side. Suppination and pronation.
Your foot progresses both from forefoot to your heel touching.
As well as your outside foot making contact with the ground first, and then your inner side landing as well.
There is a reason we have so many bones, tendons, muscles, etc there, the foot does some complex stuff to both be conforming and soft in one moment, rigid and stable the other to push off, and to keep us stable even on uneven terrain.

[Anonymous No.17233380]

Some serious samefagging going on now.

[Anonymous No.17233724]

>>17233265
>>17233273
>>17233281
>>17233334
Thank you so much guys. I'm just terrible at even inconsequential decisions: that's why I ask.

[Anonymous No.17233768]

>>17232193
>can you still comfortably wear normal shoes? dress shoes?

If they're comfortable by normal standards then I can wear them. I don't often and being used to barefoots does make them harder and/or you size up.

[Anonymous No.17234373]

>>17233768

Why not get barefoot dress shoes

[Anonymous No.17234766]

>>17227945
I love what you’re doing OP
modern society has been fooled into wearing uncomfortable shoes that don’t align with our natural foot growth

[Anonymous No.17235337]

>>17228617
Not OP but thanks anon, I'm gonna try this

[Anonymous No.17235341]

I thought flat shoes make you flat footed?

[Anonymous No.17235343]

I like some Lems shoes models but it seems impossible to get them in Europe

[Anonymous No.17235356]

>>17234373
I wear gobi 2s so not far off of those.

[Anonymous No.17235389]

>>17235341
it gradually makes your feet strong enough to where it doesnt matter, and that you no longer "need" the "support" that modern footwear crutches upon people.

[Anonymous No.17235391]

>>17235389
So is that an old wives tale then

[Anonymous No.17235400]

>>17235391
yes

[Anonymous No.17235678]

>>17235341

[Anonymous No.17235888]

>>17235343
https://www.lemsshoes.com/pages/store-locator

[Anonymous No.17236031]

>>17235888
is it possible to get lems without supporting vegans?

[Anonymous No.17236252]

>>17235888
*impossible to get in eastern europe :^)

[Anonymous No.17236699]

>>17229832
I respect you I wish we could be friends irl

[Anonymous No.17236707]

>>17235341
They do. Flat feet are deformities.

[Anonymous No.17236884]

>>17227945
>FASHIONABLE recommendations for low/zero heel drop sneakers
Altras. Pick the one you like best.
There.

[Anonymous No.17237003]

>>17236699
oh, what did I do to deserve such adoration?

[Anonymous No.17238867]

>>17232435
bitch has been using the same shoe since the 4th grade

[Anonymous No.17239085]

bump
/fa/ not delivering on this
we all have to wear bitch ass heels it seems

[Anonymous No.17239500]

>>17227945
This gives me an idea. They should invent shoes with negative heel, where the toes are actually elevated 1cm above the heel, for easily reversing this posture with daily wear

[Anonymous No.17239521]

Who do women wear heels if an elevated heel leads to an ugly posture?
Maybe OP is a faggot?

[Anonymous No.17239642]

>>17239521
wearing heels juts out your ass, why do you think women are inclined to wear them? Take a wild guess.

You can claim any sort of posture is either "ugly" or "good", but wearing heels and changing the alignment of your entire body as a result certainly isn't 'normal'. Women bitch all the time that heels hurt their legs and back, why do you think that is?

[Anonymous No.17240563]

>>17239500
Fantastic, I'll gladly test the prototype

>>17239521
Women are mentally ill and not to be trusted. So many of them have:
Headaches
Lower back pain (the most mentally ill remove their tits!)
Neck pain

[Anonymous No.17240944]

>>17239642
>>17239521
Jutting out the ass/firming the calves are commonly repeated lies. The real reason is because they're insecure about not being as tall as men. The average woman looks like this internally

[Anonymous No.17241281]

>>17240944
Women try to be like men. Heels to cope. I'm in Southern Europe now and what I've seen is that all the girls get these converse shoes to heightmaxx.

[Anonymous No.17241302]

>>17227945
Any Stan Smith non-ugly clone?