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[Anonymous No.15984480]

This thread is about the appreciation of shitters and their design, their history, and the engineering and materials that are required to achieve kinography.

> Poorfag guide: https://m.imgur.com/a/NFMXDuK
> Watch essentials 102: https://pastebin.com/Rc77hhXV
> Purchasing used watches: https://pastebin.com/f44aJKy2
> Purchasing straps: https://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

Should I buy this MVMT / DW / "minimalist" fashion watch?
> https://imgur.com/a/6CNO8

Should I buy this Armani / Michael Kors / mall watch?
> https://imgur.com/a/Sw1FsAn

"Suggest a watch for me."
> Your budget
> Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot
> Movement, e.g. automatic, hand wound, quartz
> Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, 2nd time zone
> Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet
> Wrist size or desired watch size

old:>>15981686

[Anonymous No.15984497]

Casio Pro Trek: yay or nay?

[Anonymous No.15984499]

[Anonymous No.15984515]

Post state of the collections!

[Anonymous No.15984548]

>>15984499
>44
>99
Rolex has almost zero finishing on their movements and come with a solid caseback, yet fags still pay zillions for one. LMAO

[Anonymous No.15984551]

which brand or watch does this webm represent?

[Anonymous No.15984557]

>>15984548
I don't buy a rowlacks for the movement finishing, I want a rugged watch that looks good and has some pedigree.

[Anonymous No.15984559]

>>15984497
kinda mallwatchy but i like it.

[Anonymous No.15984560]

I miss him, bros :(

[Anonymous No.15984571]

>>15984480
Lads, I'm really happy with my Grand Seiko purchase. I had a nice time last night watching a video with my wife about how a spring drive movement works as well as the difference between it and quartz or mechanicals

Feeling pretty good about being in the financial spot to be able to afford it, ended up with a 50% payrise at the same job over 2 and a half years. Thanks for reading my blog post you phaggots. I'll go back to shitposting

[Anonymous No.15984576]

>>15984499
now show citizen's cheap models (beats rolex and grand seiko)

[Anonymous No.15984580]

>>15984551
Invicta

[Anonymous No.15984582]

>>15984497
I prefer my G shock square for actual rough work. Thinking about getting an analogue watch I can wear to work though. If you like it I'd go for it fren

>>15984560
Fuck the thieving cunt

>>15984571
>sideways pic

>>15984515
I like the nomos fren

[Anonymous No.15984585]

>>15984560
I do, too. Best macro footage in the game.

[Anonymous No.15984592]

>>15984480
Give a score for these meme watches (upon 10)

>Gshock GA2100 'Casioak'
>Seiko SARB017 Alpinist
>Seiko SNA411 Flightmaster
>Seagull 1963
>Vostok Amphibia
>Casio Duro 'Marlin'
>Omega Speedmaster FOIS
>Orient Bambino
>Hamilton Khaki Field Mech
>Grand Seiko SBGA211 'Snowflake'
>Tudor BB58
>Rolex Milgauss 'Z Blue'
>Casio F91W

[Anonymous No.15984600]

>>15984499
I still don't understand why you think that matters to anyone buying a watch.

[Anonymous No.15984613]

>>15984576
proof?
honestly the more i'm thinking of copping a citizen for a daily the more i like the idea

[Anonymous No.15984627]

>>15984480
What's some good equipment and other stuff I should know about taking accurate photo/video of watches?

[Anonymous No.15984628]

>>15984548
marketing

[Anonymous No.15984632]

>>15984600
Because Rolex are overpriced shitters and why would you buy one knowing it's lesser in quality than cheaper watches. "Swiss" craftsmanship is a meme.

[Anonymous No.15984640]

>>15984600
>I don't understand why finishing and craftsmanship matter when buying a luxury watch

[Anonymous No.15984645]

>>15984632
>>15984640
But that's the point. To 99.9% of buyers all that is irrelevant. Post as many macro shots as you want but it will make less than zero difference.

[Anonymous No.15984646]

>>15984645
Craftsmanship and finishing is what separates Rolexes from high horology.
It's why people pay $100k instead of $10k for a watch.

You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.15984648]

>>15984646
Well duh but the example was Rolex vs GS. We are talking about similarly prices watches.

[Anonymous No.15984649]

>>15984648
Holy shit you're as dim as a rock.

[Anonymous No.15984656]

>>15984649
You're funny. Why so mad?

[Anonymous No.15984663]

>>15984582
Where and when is this?

[Anonymous No.15984667]

should i buy a Seiko 5?

[Anonymous No.15984670]

>>15984667
Save up for an actual half-decent watch.

[Anonymous No.15984678]

>>15984571
gorgeous watch but cringe post. many such cases!

[Anonymous No.15984680]

>>15984663
Looks like Rhodesia in the 70s perhaps?

[Anonymous No.15984681]

>>15984667
You shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.15984682]

>>15984648
Why would people not value craftsmanship and finishing at lower price points?

[Anonymous No.15984687]

>>15984663
Europe a few years from now.

[Anonymous No.15984688]

A daily reminder that Orient is one of the best entry brands available today.

[Anonymous No.15984689]

>>15984682
Because apart from a few watch nerds that isn't the reason people buy expensive watches. You don't see Joe Public taking a macro lens with them to an AD to spot some tiny difference not visible to the human eye.

[Anonymous No.15984690]

>>15984689
>Because apart from a few watch nerds that isn't the reason people buy expensive watches.

But that is the main reason people buy expensive watches.

[Anonymous No.15984691]

>>15984497
the climber ones are nice

[Anonymous No.15984694]

>>15984680
Was thinking something like that, but I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.15984695]

>>15984690
Hahaha. No.

You think the 1,000,000 Rolex watches sold each year go to buyers who care?

[Anonymous No.15984696]

>>15984600
you're aren't autistic enough to appreciate a nicely crafted timepiece

[Anonymous No.15984697]

>>15984695
Rolex is at the lower price range of "expensive" watches.

[Anonymous No.15984699]

>>15984663
it's from africa adios

[Anonymous No.15984702]

>>15984696
I appreciate haute horology but I'm also realistic. Outside of /wt/ everyone buying Rolex, Tudor, Omega, Breitling and so on don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.15984703]

>>15984702
>Outside of /wt/ everyone buying Rolex, Tudor, Omega, Breitling and so on don't give a fuck.
Because those are relatively cheap.

[Anonymous No.15984704]

>>15984702
and they have the craftmanship of somalians

[Anonymous No.15984706]

>>15984703
So are Grand Seiko so what's your point?

[Anonymous No.15984707]

>>15984703
rolex is actually absurdly overpriced

[Anonymous No.15984710]

>>15984706
But Grand Seikos have extremely nice external finishing.

>>15984707
They're bargain-tier compared to actually expensive watches.

[Anonymous No.15984711]

>>15984710
>They're bargain-tier compared to actually expensive watches.
they are nowhere near the quality of "actually expensive watches" and are 10x the price of their actual peers in quality. so they are overpriced.

[Anonymous No.15984713]

>>15984710
> But Grand Seikos have extremely nice external finishing.
>>15984704
> and they have the craftmanship of somalians

Neither of which makes any difference to the vast majority of buyers.

[Anonymous No.15984716]

>>15984663
It is from the Congo in the 1960's. It is from a mercenary group led by Mike Hoare who were hired by the government to fight communist terrorists. The particular film the footage from is called adios afrika (it's name in italian) or African blood and guts, you can watch it for free on YouTube. These terrorists that the white mercenaries smoked here were absolute savage cunts, they literally had missionaries held hostage where they were raping and torturing them, locked a dozen or so kids in a school classroom and set it on fire as the mercenaries were coming to fight them

[Anonymous No.15984718]

>>15984711
I agree with everything you said.
But they're at the lower end of what you call luxury watches.
High horology starts around $20k.

>>15984713
>Neither of which makes any difference to the vast majority of buyers.
But craftsmanship and finishing are the reason high horology is so expensive.

[Anonymous No.15984723]

>>15984713
and we're not the majority of niggers buying trash

[Anonymous No.15984725]

>>15984699
Nice, thanks.
>>15984707
Nobody that can afford it cares. You're on /fa/, we spend 1000 bucks on a pair of ugly shoes and then get rekt in waywt. Shoo, go back to /g/

[Anonymous No.15984727]

>>15984718
Most watches around the $10k range aren't high horology and going by sales figures the $5k-$10k price range is the sweet spot for brands as those people who save up for their one and only expensive watch that is their limit.

>>15984723
Post collection then.

[Anonymous No.15984728]

>>15984718
$5k is considered entry level luxury so $10k rolex watches are not "lower end" in anything but quality. are you calling rolex HH? because that would be funny.

[Anonymous No.15984731]

the biggest rolex market right now is China and they dont care

although its pretty telling that despite historical chinese dislike of the japs the chinese name for seiko is 精工 which literally translates to 'Fine(detailed) Work'

[Anonymous No.15984733]

>>15984727
>Most watches around the $10k range aren't high horology
Because it's not really feasible to make high horology at $10.
The nicer the craftsmanship and finishing, the higher the price.

>>15984728
High horology starts around $20k and goes into the millions.
Rolex is absolutely at the lower end of luxury, even though they are overpriced out the ass.

[Anonymous No.15984736]

Are birth watches really a thing? Why not suicide watches?

[Anonymous No.15984737]

>>15984733
are you calling rolex a luxury brand or a HH brand?
luxury brands start at $5k which would make Rolex overpriced. if you are saying it's cheap as an HH brand you're fucking stupid because rolex is not HH and if you think rolex is HH it invalidates everything you could possibly say.

[Anonymous No.15984738]

>>15984678
Thanks fren. No more blog posting for me

>>15984680
Congo fren, slightly before Rhodesia was full fledge fighting communist insurgency, but pretty much the same sort of thing. Except Rhodesia was pretty low on funds and did most of the fighting with local soldiers

[Anonymous No.15984740]

>>15984737
>are you calling rolex a luxury brand or a HH brand?
Rolex is at the lower end of "expensive luxury watches".
It's definitely not HH.

I'm arguing with an anon who doesn't understand why finishing matters in luxury watches.

[Anonymous No.15984745]

gucci watches are they trash?

[Anonymous No.15984750]

>>15984745
>are fashion watches trash?

[Anonymous No.15984754]

>>15984740
> finishing matters
It matters to HH brands but to your high street brands, and that means Rolex too, 'good enough' is fine.

[Anonymous No.15984757]

>>15984754
Anon, high horology finishing isn't really feasible at Rolex's price point.

[Anonymous No.15984758]

>>15984745

[Anonymous No.15984760]

>>15984745
As a fashion watch they are top tier - some of their designs are very original and, well, ... fashionable. But when it comes to movements and watchmaking they are trash.

[Anonymous No.15984764]

>>15984757
Tell that this anon >>15984499 who shitposts the same set of images any time Rolex is mentioned.

[Anonymous No.15984765]

>>15984754
You realize there are major differences in finishing at that price range too, right?

[Anonymous No.15984766]

>>15984760
some of the louis vuton watches didn't look bad from memory, and I'm pretty certain they are on another level compared to gucci ect

[Anonymous No.15984767]

I couldn't do it /wt/

I posted a while back about choosing between picrel and a tudor bb58 and I had my finger on the trigger for the Tudor, but realised I just can't justify spending that much on a watch.

I'm going with the heart not the head and using the extra grand for home improvements and a professional qualification.

[Anonymous No.15984768]

>>15984764
Why would I tell him that?
HH finishing applies mostly to movements.

Your average GS has much better external finishing than most HH watches costing at least 10x as much.

[Anonymous No.15984777]

>>15984767
tudor sucks anyway. good choice

[Anonymous No.15984778]

>>15984777
Checked, thank you

[Anonymous No.15984780]

>>15984765
Of course. Anyone off the street can look at a Tudor vs a Rolex and easily see that Tudor is the cheaper watch.

[Anonymous No.15984793]

>>15984767
You won't regret it in the long run, and you can always treat yourself later on and still get the BB58

[Anonymous No.15984802]

>>15984738
>Congo fren
Ah okay, I wasn't too far off then
>>15984745
Yes but they're the best fashion watches probably, some CK watches have ETA 2824 movements for a reasonable price too.

[Anonymous No.15984830]

>>15984777
Checked. Tuna BTFO.

>>15984767
Wise decision

>>15984745
Yes

[Anonymous No.15984865]

>>15984697
word but grand seiko

[Anonymous No.15984866]

>>15984767
who wants a watch with 'black' in it anyway?

[Anonymous No.15984867]

>>15984592
Fine. Although popular =/= meme.
>Gshock GA2100 'Casioak'
8/10
>Seiko SARB017 Alpinist
6/10
>Seiko SNA411 Flightmaster
2/10
>Seagull 1963
5/10
>Vostok Amphibia
10/10
>Casio Duro 'Marlin'
7/10
>Omega Speedmaster FOIS
8/10
>Orient Bambino
4/10
>Hamilton Khaki Field Mech
1/10
>Grand Seiko SBGA211 'Snowflake'
9/10
>Tudor BB58
6/10
>Rolex Milgauss 'Z Blue'
8/10
>Casio F91W
9/10

[Anonymous No.15984871]

>>15984690
No, not primarily. It's brand recognition, flaunting money for personal self-esteem or to show off to others. Not that there's anything wrong with any of that. Sure, some watch nerds care about finishing over everything else, but not most buyers of ~$10k watches.

[Anonymous No.15984873]

>>15984497
>>15984691
And for human sized writs, check out the lineage line. Solar, radio controlled and in a smaller size. Not sure if lineage has world timers but second time zone, which is enough.

[Anonymous No.15984877]

>>15984873
Yeah the size of the Pro Trek is my main problem with it
I wish there were small triple sensor watches

[Anonymous No.15984894]

>>15984877
I think casio is capable of making them smaller. But maybe they fear that people would demand all their specialized tech to be put into regular models, since they see that it's actually possible. Or something like that.

[Anonymous No.15984896]

>>15984867
>>Hamilton Khaki Field Mech
>1/10

why so low?

[Anonymous No.15984899]

>>15984896
Not him but I also rate that watch really low because it's extremely basic. It looks like a $100 watch.

[Anonymous No.15984903]

>>15984757
>high horology finishing isn't really feasible at Rolex's price point
A VC patrimony/overseas or Patek Calatrava are not HH? Because these are all cheaper than a Daytona.

[Anonymous No.15984904]

Here's another lineage, looks cool with the dual display.

[Anonymous No.15984910]

>>15984903
Compare like-for-like. Those are simple three hander's compared to a chronograph complication.

VC or PP chrono's start from something like $40k or higher.

[Anonymous No.15984914]

>>15984903
The Patrimony, Overseas, Calatravas all start around $18-20k.
A Daytona is around $12-13k at retail.

You're not making any sense.

[Anonymous No.15984916]

>>15984871
Once you get into high horology territory, you can have all the brand recognition you want but you're not getting anywhere without high-end finishing and craftsmanship.

Lange (a relative unknown at the time) gobbled up a huge portion of Patek's market share starting around the year 2000 because they blew Swiss high horology finishing out of the water.

[Anonymous No.15984917]

>>15984914
And a standard OP which is the closest to a Patrimony or Calatrava is only $6-8k.

[Anonymous No.15984919]

Rolex is selling a Daytona for $12k MSRP
A comparable chronograph from other Swiss brands is around $5k less
Is this $5k difference not worth a higher level of finishing from Rolex? Maybe not HH level but more than what they currently do, which is less than what cheaper brands provide?
Rolex is the original hypebeast garbage.

[Anonymous No.15984920]

>>15984914
>A Daytona is around $12-13k at retail
The MSRP is irrelevant if its impossible to buy one at that price. A daytona costs 20k+

[Anonymous No.15984922]

>>15984917
Exactly.

>>15984920
That's not a fair point at all.
But even when you do accept that point; the Daytona is arguably THE most overhyped watch there is, and even it only barely makes it into HH pricing territory.

[Anonymous No.15984923]

thoughts on transparent gshock?

[Anonymous No.15984926]

>>15984923
I have a transparent G-Shock, the white and orange model with translucent white plastic. Around the module, it actually looks quite nice. But seeing your skin through the strap is off-putting to me. So maybe the best way to do it would be to buy a solid white or black strap.

[Anonymous No.15984927]

>>15984896
While it's a very utilitarian design which is great for a field watch, it's entirely unsuited for any type of hard use. 30MWR and delicate internals are fine for a dress watch, but not a field watch. There are plenty of other options that look nearly identical and will perform better, even a Seiko 5 or a Timex Camper are superior. It's like a rugged, off-road looking car with an underpowered engine and only front wheel drive.

[Anonymous No.15984928]

>>15984922
Why is it not a fair point? Its impossible to buy a daytona for 12k, so you shouldnt use this fictional price for a comparison.

[Anonymous No.15984930]

>>15984928
That price isn't fictional at all.
People buy Daytonas at retail every day.

[Anonymous No.15984933]

>>15984930
3 Cellinis: 30k
1 Daytona: 12k
Makes 42k for a Daytona or alternatively 20k on the gray market.

[Anonymous No.15984939]

>>15984933
... what?

[Anonymous No.15984950]

>>15984939
He's saying that it's common practice for ADs to force you to buy crap they want to move before you're allowed to buy a sub or Daytona, so in the long run it's cheaper to buy grey market than retail

[Anonymous No.15984951]

>>15984939
Are you new to Rolex? If you want to buy a daytona/gmt/hulk you first have to spend 50k on trash that doesnt sell, like the cellini, first.

[Anonymous No.15984953]

>>15984951
You're really struggling to cope with this, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.15984956]

>>15984592
>Alpinist
9/10
>Vostok
8/10
>Bambino
7/10
>Hamilton
5/10
Casio
7/10

[Anonymous No.15984958]

>>15984688
hate how the logo looks cheap unfortunately

[Anonymous No.15984959]

>>15984953
With what?

[Anonymous No.15984977]

>>15984959
Whatever is making you do these mental backflips.

[Anonymous No.15984979]

>>15984873
These watches are pretty cool but the only downer is the 50m WR
>>15984877
Check out the prw 60t protrek. It's the smallest one. Titanium too. I was looking at protreks for a while and realistically you wont use the triple sensor much if at all. They aren't that accurate. If you want accuracy and a better alternative the garmin instinct solar is the best in my opinion. Best sensors and the least 'smart watch'. Supposedly you can run it without charging provided it gets sun and on low power mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTku2wBVkR0&t=386s

[Anonymous No.15984998]

>>15984977
Please go to your local AD and try buying a Daytona for MSRP

[Anonymous No.15985005]

Has /wt/ ever has a Rolex related discussion that wasn't a total shit show ?

[Anonymous No.15985008]

>>15984515

[Anonymous No.15985011]

>>15985005
Its impossible because Rolex fanboys completely lose their shit if they hear valid criticism of their brand. The funny thing is, none of these guys even own a Rolex.

[Anonymous No.15985014]

>>15984515

[Anonymous No.15985015]

>>15985008
Why two sneedmasters?

[Anonymous No.15985018]

>>15984515

[Anonymous No.15985022]

>>15984998
Why are you trying to change the discussion to how hard it is to get a Daytona at retail?
Fact is probably dozens of Daytonas are bought at retail around the world every day.

And like I said, even if you concede that the Daytona is a $20k watch; that means THE most overhyped watch in the world with one of the most intricate complications in the world (mechanical chrono) only just barely makes it into absolute bottom-tier HH pricing territory.

[Anonymous No.15985027]

seethmaster

[Anonymous No.15985030]

>>15985011
Its impossible because Grand Seiko fanboys completely lose their shit if they hear valid criticism of their brand. The funny thing is, none of these guys even own a Grand Seiko.

[Anonymous No.15985034]

>>15984977
I'm not the guy you replied to. Here's how it works with Rolex:
>Rolex sells only a handful of its steel sports models to each of its ADs at a time. In the case of the Daytona, an AD might get a couple of examples per month.
>This is specifically to drive scarcity and brand cache.
>The ADs have to jump through a lot of hoops to gain and maintain their Rolex AD status so they just put up with it.
>However, this means that they are only willing to sell those scarce and coveted steel sports models to their best customers OR sell under the table and risk losing AD status.
>Anyone can join a Rolex waitlist but they will get leapfrogged by better Rolex customers.
>In practice this means that you have to accumulate a portfolio of Rolex purchases before you get the "opportunity" to buy a Daytona.
>In order to do so, you have to buy Rolex models that are readily available (i.e., aren't particularly desirable and thus sit for a long time in the AD's window or are entry-level models).
>This means you have to buy a few Oyster Perpetuals, Cellinis, women's watches, two-tone models, etc. before you can build up enough cache to be high enough on the waitlist to actually have a chance at getting a Daytona.
>One day, you will get a call from your AD saying they have one Daytona available (two if you're lucky so you can get your choice of a white or black dial) and you have to buy it NOW or they'll move on to the next person on the list.
>You then have to run in to the dealer immediately cash in hand to buy it.

When all is said and done, you will probably have spent at least US$30-40k on Rolex watches before you're able to buy a Daytona at its retail price. Thus, while the Daytona's MSRP is $12k, the actual price of procuring one is closer to $40-50k from an AD or $20-30k on the grey market/second hand.

So while the steel Daytona is a good value at MSRP, all the extra time and money spent on actually getting one makes it one of the worst value watches you can get.

[Anonymous No.15985036]

>>15985018
You have ten (10) seconds to reduce your collection to just five (5) watches.

[Anonymous No.15985038]

Why do most watches have so many bullshit words on them like
Multi band
Tough solar
Spring drive
Etc
Like leave that shit in the manuals. It looks ugly like when people don't remove their Intel stickers on laptops. You bought it, you know what it does and where its made already!

Anyway, that's my take.

[Anonymous No.15985039]

>>15985034
I know all that, and it has nothing to do with the discussion.

[Anonymous No.15985044]

>>15985039
Well it does, because it's relevant to the discussion of pricing. You can, for example, buy a VC Overseas chronograph right now, today, for significantly less than the actual cost of a Rolex Daytona and you would get a hand-finished, Geneva Seal (case and movement), true high horology steel sports watch that you could walk out of a dealer with in an hour.

[Anonymous No.15985045]

>>15985036
> Election Grand Prix
> GP 32A Observatory
> Citizen 0100
> Citizen 8650
> Omega 30T2 Rg

[Anonymous No.15985053]

>>15985011
Not true. I own both Rolex and Grand Seiko watches. I do agree it is almost impossible to have a rational discussion in /wt/ about either brand. In general /wt/ underrates Rolex by a lot and slightly overrates GS. They tend to confused polishing with finishing.

[Anonymous No.15985055]

>>15985044
based poster

[Anonymous No.15985057]

>>15985044
>right now, today
Pricing isn't about "now, today".

>buy a VC Overseas chronograph right now, today, for significantly less than the actual cost of a Rolex Daytona
That's not even true.
A 3rd-gen Vacheron chrono is consistently around $30 on chrono24, and an absolutely new Daytona is about the same.

Also, even if you concede that the Daytona is a $20k watch; that means THE most overhyped watch in the world with one of the most intricate complications in the world (mechanical chrono) only just barely makes it into absolute bottom-tier HH pricing territory.

[Anonymous No.15985058]

>>15985038
It's so that the sales guy knows what to talk about.

[Anonymous No.15985060]

>>15985053
>In general /wt/ underrates Rolex by a lot and slightly overrates GS.
>They tend to confused polishing with finishing.

No.
A GS is not only polished better, but it's also a lot more complicated in terms of case design, geometry, alternating finishes, ...

[Anonymous No.15985062]

>>15985060
See, exactly this. Thanks for proving my point - very confused. You seem like a bit of a crazy person t.b.h

[Anonymous No.15985064]

>>15985060
GS absolutely mogs the rollie here lmao

[Sieg !NP2jUmGKeo No.15985070]

>>15985060
more cnc operations and a more complex case design are cool and all, but luxury watches are sold purely on brand name alone.

seiko kinda tarnished their name and heritage.

they invented the quartz watch, the spring drive movement, the lcd digital watch etc

if they kept their prices patek high, you'd be fawning over a quartz watch right now

instead they massed produced everything.

when a kinetic watch is $300 it's not special.

but if they slapped a 1.2 million dollar label on a kinetic, spring drive or similar and never sold a watch below $50k

your grails would say seiko on them

[Anonymous No.15985071]

>>15985064
> Oh this? It's called a loupe and yes I wear it everywhere. It's how I fully appreciate my Grand Seiko I'll have you know.
kek

[Anonymous No.15985074]

>>15984515
Nothing but the finest shitters for me.
Also read this:
https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/mobile/rolex-watch-owned-by-former-vancouver-island-octopus-wrestler-nets-over-150k-at-auction-1.5319757

[Anonymous No.15985075]

>>15985070
>luxury watches are sold purely on brand name alone
lol
The absolute most overhyped watch by the absolute most bankable brand name just barely makes it into absolute bottom-tier HH pricing territory.

[Anonymous No.15985077]

>>15985070
If quartz oscillators hadn't of been invented and miniaturized electronics as we know them wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.15985078]

>>15985071
You need a loupe to see the quality difference between the rollie's lugs and the grand seiko's?

[Anonymous No.15985081]

>>15985015
The triple date one was a gift

[Anonymous No.15985082]

>>15985060
The Rolex bracelet mogs the GS every time. As nice as the complex geometry looks, it doesn't hold up well to wear and tear. That little edge is gonna get warped to shit.

[Anonymous No.15985086]

>>15985082
This fucking cope.

[Anonymous No.15985088]

>>15985057
>pricing isn't about "now, today."
Sorry that your time is worthless but to many other people waiting for years for the "opportunity" to buy a watch while simultaneously fellating an AD matters.
>chrono24
The price of a VC Overseas Chronograph you quote is slightly under its retail price which I would classify as fair. The reality is you can get these watches at actual boutiques, new, immediately. You aren't forced onto Chrono24.
>an absolutely new Daytona is about $30k
You're about $10-15k off there, if you're talking about getting it at an AD. If you're comfortable going grey market you can probably find Daytonas quoted on sites like Chrono24 for about $30k but you have to accept certain risks with purchasing such an example...if you're OK with that, good for you.
>even if you concede that the Daytona is a $20k watch
even if you concede that, you're still wrong
>THE most overhyped watch in the world
The most overhyped watches are the PP Nautilus and AP Royal Oak but whatever.
>with one of the most intricate complications in the world
even if this were true it doesn't really matter because there are other automatic chronographs with more complicated movements (higher beat rate, flyback mechanisms, etc.; see e.g. the Zenith El Primero) that are more available and less expensive than a Daytona
>only just barely makes it into absolute bottom-tier HH pricing territory
no, there are HH watches that are far below US$30-50k.

[not the mexican No.15985089]

>>15984582
>though
>>15984733
>though

[Anonymous No.15985092]

>>15985088
Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion.

Even if you concede that the Daytona is a $20-30k watch; that means THE most overhyped watch in the world with one of the most intricate complications in the world (mechanical chrono) only just barely makes it into absolute bottom-tier HH pricing territory.

[Anonymous No.15985094]

>>15985082
Can confirm. GS bracelets are their weakest link, pun intended.

Rolex bracelets on the other-hand are some of the very best.

[Anonymous No.15985095]

>>15984873
Had one of these but I decided to cash it on eBay now that it has gotten it's 3 minutes of fame on youtube. World time is included.

[Anonymous No.15985097]

>>15985086
GS finishing is superior hands down. Biggest problem is GS fails to sell to anyone besides weebs and redditors outside of Japan. Most of their watches look like toys. Call it cope, but its the truth.

[Anonymous No.15985104]

>>15985060
If GS sports watches were a couple of mm thinner there would be no discussion as to the quality of the design. The reality is that as awful as Rolex is, you have to give it to them that they have kept their watches pretty slim—which is something you can't say of spring drive GS watches. Otherwise it is without question that the finishing of a GS is superior. The finishing of almost ANY watch in the Rolex's price bracket is superior frankly

[Anonymous No.15985106]

>>15985088
>>an absolutely new Daytona is about $30k
>You're about $10-15k off there
Take your meds, schizo.
https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/rolex-116500-daytona-2019-unworn-black-dial-ceramic-stainless--id14712340.htm

[Anonymous No.15985109]

>>15985092
You can't just reiterate the exact thing you have written two other times in this thread and expect everyone to simply accept it the third time

[Anonymous No.15985111]

>>15985106
If it's grey market, it's not absolutely new. This is why Rolex ADs are forced to fuckin take the stickers off the watch in front of the customer, etc.

[Anonymous No.15985113]

>>15985008
Damn, Willard mogs

[Anonymous No.15985114]

>>15985030
Why do you bring up Grand Seiko out of nowhere?

[Anonymous No.15985116]

>>15985109
But that's the whole crux of this discussion.

Anon:
>people pay big money solely because of the name

Reality:
>even one of the most hyped watches in the world only barely makes it into bottom-tier HH pricing territory

And that's IF you accept that the grey market price is the only legitimate price.
The original point is completely refuted.

[Anonymous No.15985118]

>>15985111
>If it's grey market, it's not absolutely new.
This is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15985122]

https://youtu.be/iSwPHIXB6rE
archie needs to do this shit lmao

[Anonymous No.15985124]

>>15985116
There are two "legitimate" realistic prices for a Rolex Daytona: the price you pay on the grey market, and the price you pay for alllllll the Cellinis and OPs, and possibly Submariners and other watches before you can access the Daytona at MSRP PLUS the price of the Daytona at MSRP.

[Anonymous No.15985126]

http://www.allamericanwatches.com/product/96G38

What would this sell for on eBay if slightly scratched on the front

[Anonymous No.15985127]

>>15985118
It's simply an objective fact

[Anonymous No.15985128]

>>15985124
>implying you can just buy a sub

[Anonymous No.15985130]

>>15985118
Its true. Even if the sales rep puts the watch back into the box and its never worn, the warranty is void. Watch is considered second hand.

[Anonymous No.15985131]

>>15985124
And even if you accept the grey market price as the legit price, the Daytona still only barely makes it into HH pricing territory.
Meaning finishing and craftsmanship has a MUCH greater effect on pricing than merely brand name.

[Anonymous No.15985133]

>>15985128
The idea is that maybe they let you buy a sub before they let you buy a daytona. Also two-tone, ugly as shit subs are pretty readily available

[Anonymous No.15985135]

>>15985127
>>15985130
It's still a completely new watch, you sperg.

[Anonymous No.15985137]

>>15985030
This is true

[Anonymous No.15985138]

>>15985131
So your argument is that Patek and AP dont charge a brand tax as well?
The steel nautilus must have insane finishing if it sells for 90k atm, nothing to do with the brand

[Anonymous No.15985142]

>>15985135
Temporally, yes. But it diesnt have a warranty so I see the other anons point desu. Kind of a big deal when you spend over 10k on a watch lol

[Anonymous No.15985143]

if you're a watch company that doesn't design or manufacture your own movement, are you really a watch maker or just a "case maker"?

[Anonymous No.15985145]

>>15985135
>It's still a completely new watch, you sperg

In terms of value its not.

[Anonymous No.15985151]

>>15985131
The grey market price is the cheaper way of getting a Daytona, honey

[Anonymous No.15985154]

>>15985138
Where did I say anything about any brand charging (or not charging) a brand tax?

>>15985142
You know you can get it serviced and get a new warranty, right?

>>15985145
Lol but of course it is.
You can resell it right away for the same value.

>>15985151
Your point?

[Anonymous No.15985161]

>>15985154
Your arguments are barely coherent so people are asking you questions to clarify what your points are.

[Anonymous No.15985168]

>>15985161
Let me sum it up for you:
>nooo you cant just compare Rolex to similarily priced watches, thats not fair!! You need to compare Rolex to Omega and Grand Seiko that only cost a fraction

[Anonymous No.15985170]

>>15985161
My point is brand name has a very small effect on price level compared to finishing and craftsmanship.

[Anonymous No.15985171]

>>15984767
ive always liked the design on this one, anon. congrats.

[Anonymous No.15985174]

>>15985170
Why does a Sub cost twice as as much as a Planet Ocean then?

[Anonymous No.15985176]

>>15985174
Even at twice the price of a Planet Ocean, the Sub doesn't even enter the lowest regions of HH pricing.

[Anonymous No.15985177]

>>15985174
because it's not made in China

[Anonymous No.15985178]

>>15985168
Omega and GS compare /very/ favourably to Rolex by every objective measure.

[Anonymous No.15985180]

>>15985177
LOL

[Anonymous No.15985182]

>>15985176
Huh? How is that related to my question. Btw, the answer is: because Rolex has a stronger brand
>>15985177
Rolex fanboy seething

[Anonymous No.15985183]

>>15985178
Omega 8500 series: wider rate spec, shorter stated maintenance interval
Grand Seiko 9S series: wider rate spec, shorter stated maintenance interval

[Anonymous No.15985185]

>>15985176
Who mentioned anything about HH? Omega watches are equal or superior to Rolex watches in every measurable way; the only reason the Rolex is more expensive is the brand name. So brand names do have a huge effect on price level, retard

[Anonymous No.15985189]

>>15985182
>>15985185
That's what this whole discussion is about.

Like I said: brand name does have an effect on price; it can make watches go 2x or even 3x their retail price in extreme cases.
But a HH watch will still cost a LOT more than that, even if it isn't particularly in demand.

[Anonymous No.15985195]

>>15985189
>Like I said: brand name does have an effect on price; it can make watches go 2x or even 3x their retail price in extreme cases.
Yes
>But a HH watch will still cost a LOT more than that, even if it isn't particularly in demand.
Not necessarily, depends on the watch.

[Anonymous No.15985199]

here's your genuine swiss replacement part, bro

[Anonymous No.15985201]

>>15985195
>Not necessarily, depends on the watch.
Take the Daytona; it's one of the absolute most overhyped watches in the world right now, costing $20-30k according to the free market.
That price level is pretty much bottom-tier for High Horology.

[Anonymous No.15985203]

>>15985185
>>15985183

[Anonymous No.15985205]

>>15985199
doesn't seem to fit the watch

[Anonymous No.15985206]

>>15984767
I ordered it lads! Got £10 off with Honey too hilariously. Feels good to get the dream watch with the price tag that didn't give me panic attacks.

[Anonymous No.15985207]

>>15985201
That pricing is near the bottom tier for HH but it isn't the absolute floor. VC sells entry level watches for just over $10k

[Anonymous No.15985212]

>>15985207
>VC sells entry level watches for just over $10k
You're talking about the entry level models of the Fifty-Six line, but they aren't actually HH.
The movements on those aren't made in-house and aren't hand finished; they're the only movements VC makes without the Geneva Seal.

[Anonymous No.15985219]

>>15985203
rate spec for omega is 0/+5. for rolex, it's -2/+2. the spread for omega is 5 seconds and the spread for rolex is 4 seconds. it's better to gain than to lose seconds per day so I would call their rate spec even with a slight favourability to omega.

recommended service intervals are a bit of a meme and rolex only very recently changed their recommendation from 5 to 10 years so, i don't know. it's hardly a measurable standard if it can change with the whims of the manfacturer

[Anonymous No.15985222]

>>15985212
If in-house and hand finishing is the HH standard, then Girard-Perregaux is HH for way less than the "trinity" brands

[Anonymous No.15985230]

>>15985201
i don't really get the point? the HH houses charge a brand tax just like Rolex does. Rolex has cache amongst the general public that drives its secondary market prices way up, but so does PP and AP. Some steel Nautilus and Royal Oak models in new condition are sold on the secondary market for prices that approach $50-100k.

Rolex specializes in steel sports/tool watches that are machine finished (case and movement), the HH houses specialize in precious metal dress watches than are hand finished (case and movement) with a handful of meme steel sports models.

They are in two totally different camps and you can't REALLY compare them other than to say that if you think that HH workmanship and finishing is important you won't get it in a Rolex

[Anonymous No.15985240]

>>15985219
Pretty weak attempt, desu, to claim Omega doesn't trail Rolex in these two objective, measurable ways.

[Anonymous No.15985242]

>>15985240
-2/+2 is inferior to 0/+5.

[Anonymous No.15985246]

>>15985222
A GP movement comes close, but isn't quite up to snuff.
Their "blued" screws are painted blue for instance, and their jewels aren't countersunk. Just to give you an idea.

>>15985230
This is the point: even a relative unknown watch brand will ask hundreds of thousands of USD for an extremely nicely finished and complicated watch; but even the most bankable watch by the most bankable brand will only fetch a few ten k.
Price is affected by finishing and craftsmanship a lot more than merely brand and model renown.

[Anonymous No.15985249]

>>15985242
"A watch that gains 5 seconds per day is better than one that loses 2" yeah okay

[Anonymous No.15985252]

>>15985242
No it's not.
If either watch is at the extreme end of their accuracy range, the +5 watch will be way further off true time after a few weeks.

[Anonymous No.15985265]

When you buy a watch online from another person, how long do you think is reasonable to wait for them to ship it?

[Anonymous No.15985273]

>>15985265
If there are no Australian wildfires to blame, a few days.

[Anonymous No.15985287]

>>15985273
kek

[Anonymous No.15985288]

>>15984480
>"real" watch on my left wrist
>smart watch on my right wrist
anyone else do this, and do i look autistic/retarded? no one irl has commented on this to me before

[Anonymous No.15985297]

>>15985074
Your collection needs 8 more Monsters

[Anonymous No.15985305]

>>15985288
I've been considering this lol.
It's going to look absolutely turboautistic.

[Anonymous No.15985306]

>>15985288
Only if it's this one on your left wrist.

[Anonymous No.15985307]

Rolex is so based they make poorfags write essays in this thread every day about how they can’t afford one. The mental gymnastics you guys go through to convince yourselves you don’t want one is priceless.

[Anonymous No.15985310]

>>15985307
Post your rolex

[Anonymous No.15985311]

>>15985307
I can afford a Rolex, but I don't want one.
I'm on the waiting list for a VC Overseas.

[Anonymous No.15985313]

>>15985249
>>15985252

I would rather have my watch gain 5 seconds a day (and thus be 2.5 minutes fast after one month) than have it lose 2 seconds a day (and thus be 1 minute slow after one month). It's more advantageous in practicality to have the watch run fast than slow.

However all of these is merely academic because in practicality Omega and Rolex watches often surpass their certification standards. Also, Omega's standard is externally monitored whereas Rolex's is internal. I trust external monitoring more.

[Anonymous No.15985315]

>>15985307
Pretty sure the only essays itt are coming from the Rolexfags: >>15985088 >>15985070 >>15985034

[Anonymous No.15985317]

>>15985288
I think this would look stupid. For extra autism you could wear both on one wrist with the Sinn dual watch band.

[Anonymous No.15985319]

>>15985242
Fellas am I being fucking retarded or would you not assume the -2/+2 would over the course of time average out (cancel out?) to less error than 0/+5?

[Anonymous No.15985320]

>>15984894
Yeah seems like that's how it is
>>15984979
Looks pretty massive as well
Garmin is too smart
I guess these watches just aren't for me

[Anonymous No.15985329]

>>15985307
Shitposts like this are the reason why /wt/ is better than WUS. This fag can drop a post like this, and have a dozen responses that outline his faggotry. WUS would just ban him. Based shitposter

[Anonymous No.15985331]

>>15985311
How long is the Overseas waiting list?

[Anonymous No.15985335]

>>15985319
You want consistency over range. If your watch is always +3 a day, that is better than -2/+2 that evens out over the course of a week. Although if you prefer that there is nothing wrong with it, ultimately

[Anonymous No.15985341]

>>15985307
This is a man who knows how to trigger /wt/.

[Anonymous No.15985343]

>>15985307
They hated him because he told them the truth

[Anonymous No.15985348]

>>15985143
Who says they are a case maker even? Most watch companies delegate the making of their cases, pushers, glass, dials and hands to other firms, then buy movements in bulk, fit them with a custom rotor (made to order, only in a different finish with their logo engraved,then the movement gets an in-house designation for marketing purposes) and regulate the movement and assemble in-house.

Voila, 90%+ of currently available watches. Then you have case companies like Ickler or Damasko who start their own brand.

This is not a new phenomenon, however, watch companies have been known to create a single product, then trade within the business, one does the cases for 5 different comanies, the other does the hands, another does dials, etc. This has been going on for decades, if not over a century and is nothing to get worked up about.

Very few companies make EVERYTHIGN in-house, those who do, WILL cost you, so be glad most dont, even if the markups are high in the watch world.

[Anonymous No.15985350]

>>15985331
No idea, it's the black dial one so he said it shouldn't take too long.
Been two weeks so far.

[Anonymous No.15985354]

>>15985335
>>15985319
>>15985313
>>15985252
>>15985249
>>15985242
>>15985240
>>15985219
>>15985203
>>15985183

The reality is that the testing environment for any watch specification does not fully replicate the actual experience of it being worn on a wrist throughout a day, so no matter what the watch is rated at, you may find that your watch is more or less accurate when it's actually worn.

Unless you have the specific machinery necessary to test the watch's beat rate and you do so under strictly regulated conditions then there isn't too much value in putting any stock in your watch's rating other than as an indicator of the care that the brand puts into the watch's manufacture.

[Anonymous No.15985357]

>>15985350
Ok, that sounds relatively reasonable. Do you know if the list is longer or shorter for other colours? I imagine the blue might be a tad longer.

[Anonymous No.15985400]

>>15985354
Rolex's spec is specifically rate on the wrist. Omega's spec is an average of static positions.

[Anonymous No.15985412]

>>15985348
This. Even the vertical integration that rolex is famous for is relatively recent. They used to source parts from all over the place.
>>15985297
Cheers monster bro

[Anonymous No.15985433]

>>15985400
No. Rolex says that their standard will equate to "superlative performance on the wrist" but that doesn't mean they test it or rate it on the wrist. No one actually knows how they test their watches to meet the superlative chronometer standards; it's a trade secret.

I forgot to add, regulation is just as important as accuracy over time. You can have a watch that does not deviate more than x number of seconds per day but it may still run slow when compared to a reference time such as an atomic clock. It will just run consistently slow, lol

[Anonymous No.15985467]

sup bros. what should my next watch be as an end-of-year purchase? strongly considering the VC Overseas, but also could do with another GS, a Credor, or something else entirely.
>budget
20k usd
>preference
dress watch, but i'm okay with it being anything as long as it's not obnoxious and monstrously bulky. whatever it is, i want the craftsmanship and technical aspects to be best in class
>other parameters
doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.15985469]

>>15985467
> whatever it is, i want the craftsmanship and technical aspects to be best in class
vostok

[Anonymous No.15985475]

>>15985469
my buddy Javier, who is the Director of a Watches of Switzerland boutique, told me Vostok is a meme watch that people like getting to tinker with. apparently it's terrible at actual timekeeping

[Anonymous No.15985477]

>>15985467
According to that one guy earlier in this thread you should get a Daytona, lol

[Anonymous No.15985478]

>>15985467
I'd get a lange or a GO, personally. A patrimony traditionelle small seconds would also be up there for dress watches. What do you do for a living? Miring that grand seiko guy.

[Anonymous No.15985479]

>>15985348
>Very few companies make EVERYTHIGN in-house,
>those who do, WILL cost you,

seiko does this, they even make their hairsprings.
so does seagull.
yet only rolex makes it such a big deal like as if OMG NOBODY DOES THISSSS
so lame

[Anonymous No.15985488]

>>15985475
Its hit or miss for sure. The one I have keeps pretty good time tho and they are fun to tinker with. They are also cheap, tough as nails, and have more history, heritage and in house parts than the vast majority of swiss watches ( I only bring that up because apparently this a big selling feature of watches). Overall, nice to have one in the collection

[Anonymous No.15985492]

>>15985488
I forgot to say that they are also basically the same watch now as they were in 1967, so it's kind if like a buying a vintage watch brand new which I think is pretty cool. The 420 amphibian even has really similar dimensions as an old submariner (including thickness, surprisingly)

[Anonymous No.15985494]

>>15985348
>Very few companies make EVERYTHIGN in-house, those who do, WILL cost you, so be glad most dont, even if the markups are high in the watch world.
and that's exactly why Grand Seiko is the breakout brand of the last couple of years. the price point for what they offer is absolutely incredible. Spring Drive + everything made and finished inhouse is incomparable to anything else on the market outside of hh & indie watchmakers who create a batch of like 10 in a year

[Anonymous No.15985496]

>>15985475
>Director of a Watches of Switzerland
>(((swiss))) talking shit about other brands
horology wise vostoks are purer watches than any existing swiss conglomerate brand
they still make their super ancient movements with cold war era machines.
in contrast most of swatch group is factory made in china, its not even a secret at this point.

[Anonymous No.15985501]

>>15985496
purer doesn't mean better if it's pure shit. stop being a dumb memer who values vague concepts of SOVL over functionality

[Anonymous No.15985507]

>>15985467
Considering a credor
20k
Hmmmm
The oversees is a great choice, especially if you can pull some stings an get a blue one, this is you last chance to get a blue one before there are multi year waiting lists and you need to buy multiple other vc watches to get on that list, end off year might even be too late.

[Anonymous No.15985508]

>>15985467
If you want something actually interesting, avoid the poverty tier offerings from the big 3 and instead get a JLC perpetual calendar. If there is anything remotely comparable around $20k, I certainly haven’t seen it.

[Anonymous No.15985512]

>>15985501
>wow this $50 watch is not good at all, look at my $5000 designed by committee, focus group tested, """"made in switzerland"""" timepiece marketed by JAMES BOND isnt that cool!!!11

[Anonymous No.15985513]

>>15985507
You're right - the Eichi isn't near my grasp just yet. ;____;
>>15985508
While I appreciate the complications, the aesthetic simply isn't to my taste. I like minimalist elegance. But maybe it'll grow on me as I get closer to my purchase.

[Anonymous No.15985521]

>>15985512
fox & grapes: the post

[Anonymous No.15985526]

>>15985508
How the hell can they make a perpetual calendar movement + sapphire caseback only 9.2mm thick? JLC is fucking based

[Anonymous No.15985527]

>>15985501
Well desu that's all mech watches have going for them lol. It's all about romanticism and beauty in the mechanics of it. And flexing on poorfags I suppose

[Anonymous No.15985530]

>>15985521
>y-you must be jealous you dont have an limited edition omega with fake lume and fake military markings!11!!1

mental gymnastics: the post

[Anonymous No.15985537]

>>15985530
okay, enjoy your vostok and casios. no doubt they go very well with the cargo shorts and XXL polos

[Anonymous No.15985541]

Christ, I don't know which is funnier, seeing poorfags seethe about watches they cant afford or seeing fanboys seethe about getting made fun of for spending thousands on chinese made jewelry and marketing

[Anonymous No.15985547]

>>15985537
>talking shit about vostok AND casio
enjoy basing your own shallow self-worth on how expensive your purchases are as if its some epeen contest

casio literally created a whole entire genre of watches. No real horology person will talk smack about casio.

[Anonymous No.15985555]

>>15985547
sure thing fruit of the loom

[Anonymous No.15985559]

>>15985541
BUT BUT JAMES BOND WORE THIS WATCH DONT YOU SEE

JAMES BOND!!!!1

[Anonymous No.15985563]

>>15985541
only the one weirdo is typing paragraphs in all caps. you hate to see this level of insecurity

[Anonymous No.15985569]

>>15985555
you gonna laugh at warren buffet for driving a cadillac?
or mark zuckerberg for shopping at costco?
the real-rich dont care, its only the nouveau-riche who have a chip on their shoulder and must always impress

[Anonymous No.15985571]

>>15985070
Except that's not really true though. Seiko fucked the swiss in the trials with mechanical movements, and were only beaten by swiss quartz.... and then the swiss pussied out and stopped holding them...

[Anonymous No.15985573]

>>15985467
A random smattering of Credor models to get the noggin joggin. These first two are very very interesting to me. They have fantastic ultra thing looks and a cool super thin handwinding movement that is quite beautiful.
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBAQ977
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBAQ976
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GCCD993
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GCCD989
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBBF898
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBBF901
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBAR022
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBBF903
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBAT949
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GCCD997
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GCBE993
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBLP997
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBLP996
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBAQ961
https://www.credor.com/lineup/detail/?no=GBAQ971
Mostly linked really dressy stuff if you want to go that way.

[Anonymous No.15985578]

>>15985569
no because they aren't insecure enough to lurk 4chan generals 24/7 to tell people who buy expensive shit that you shouldn't spend your money because i don't have money and i justify that by pointing to warren buffet's cadillac

[Anonymous No.15985580]

>>15985573
And the best movement shot i could find quickly

[Anonymous No.15985586]

>>15985563
maybe you can buy this watch, it was worn by a fictional character too.

[Anonymous No.15985599]

>>15985586
magnifique

[Anonymous No.15985600]

>>15985541
>>15985559
I always assumed Rolex was like Apple - sure there’s a brand tax but the products are quality and buyers become lifetime loyal customers
I genuinely had no idea Omega was so shit-tier for a luxury brand
>when you get get an identical Citizen diver for less than $150 on eBay

[Anonymous No.15985603]

this is my grail and I hope I get called back at Taco bell for an interview so I can start saving up for this

[Anonymous No.15985606]

>>15985573
>>15985580
Excellent, thank you, anon. I'll peruse these over the next few days - need to get back to work for now. I really appreciate the resources.

[Anonymous No.15985617]

The Swiss rat FEARS the Jap bvll!
"Neuchatel’s response to the Japanese upstarts and the quartz threat was swift and decisive. All competitive testing at Swiss observatories was to be put on indefinite hold, depriving Seiko of the chance to defend their 1968 results and leaving a 40-year gap in observatory testing. When chronometer testing was finally resumed at Neuchatel in 2007, two caveats were added to the rulebook- firstly, only mechanical movements were eligible to compete, and second all components must be manufactured in Europe. Never again would the traditional Swiss industry be humiliated by a quartz watch or a so-called outsider."

[Anonymous No.15985619]

>>15985617
holy shit is that for real? switzerland took a MASSIVE L
why doesn't seiko market the fuck out of this and ruin the swiss empire forever?

[Anonymous No.15985622]

Air-King
G-Shock solar
Sports direct mug

[Anonymous No.15985624]

>>15985619
I genuinely don't know, Seiko seems like a pretty chill company IIRC. Their museum in Tokyo is also really good IMO.

sourced from here:
https://wornandwound.com/history-of-chronometers-pt-2-observatory-trials/

[Anonymous No.15985631]

>>15985603
>homage of a homage of a homage
why?
whats with all these italian brands

[Anonymous No.15985634]

>>15985619
Because no one cares about quartz accuracy and the Swiss did a brilliant job in marketing and switching to expensive luxury items that people desire to own.

[Anonymous No.15985638]

>>15985631
Kickstarter shitters always choose a vaguely Italian sounding name to trick normies into thinking their shitter has craftsmanship legacy behind it

[Anonymous No.15985644]

>>15985634
Spring Drive is a mechanical movement. It has a quartz crystal but no battery. Every expert in the field calls it the best mechanical movement ever created, including popular YT zoomers like that Teddy guy.

[Anonymous No.15985650]

>>15985644
This is an unbelievably bad take. If you believe this, please define "quartz watch."

[Anonymous No.15985655]

>>15985644
>>15985650
Spring drive is spring drive. It's the hermaphrodite of watch movements.

[Anonymous No.15985662]

>>15985650
>>15985650
Spring Drive is a hybrid at best due to TSR. Sometimes I wish people like you who confidently declare things could be recorded on national TV and made fun of on r/all so you're set into a permanent seethe and never speak out again for fear of further embarrassment.

Real quartz movements have batteries. Spring Drive is somewhere in between but leans more toward automatic.

[Anonymous No.15985667]

>>15985034
this is so gross sounding lmao.
why do people even put up with this garbage
imagine paying this much money to grovel before the AD just for a rolex

[Anonymous No.15985674]

>>15985667
Because Rolex buyers are honest to God retarded brand simps with more money than sense who have been brainwashed by marketing to the point of delusion.

[Anonymous No.15985676]

>>15985667
need for external validation + FOMO = driving hypebeast markets

[Anonymous No.15985680]

>>15985662
So in your definition, a watch with batteries is a quartz watch?

[Anonymous No.15985685]

>>15985680
It's not my definition: quartz movements objectively require a battery. The Spring Drive does not have a battery; it therefore leans automatic. It is advertised, sold, and talked about as an automatic movement and there's a reason Seiko hasn't been hit with a false advertising class action lawsuit yet.

[Anonymous No.15985691]

>>15985676
isn't that what life us all about?
t. hypebeast

[Anonymous No.15985709]

>>15984710
>They're bargain-tier compared to actually expensive watches.

Yes, there are even more insanely priced timepieces, but this fact doesn't make Rolex not overpriced compared to a Casio.

[Anonymous No.15985729]

what <$500 non-overly-dressy + wristlet friendly watch should i buy for my BF?
hes a total normie, not a watch person at all but vaguely interested in mechanicals

[Anonymous No.15985733]

>>15985729
Seiko SNKL41 and a nice leather strap.

[Anonymous No.15985738]

>>15985729
what’s his style?

[Anonymous No.15985739]

>>15985573
>>15985580
>>15985606
I found an article about the GBAQ977 credor
>combines the beauty, durability and precision of Seiko's technology. It is a movement that pushes the limits of thinness by combining the best of technology with a movement thickness of 1.98 mm. A handmade movement produced in small quantities, where one skilled watchmaker can assemble only one or two pieces a day.
>wonderful dial with unique shadows. It is a high-class model with dignity cultivated in history and tradition, in which master craftsmanship is poured into carefully selected materials in every detail.
https://tokei.blog/japanwatch/seiko/34327

[Anonymous No.15985745]

>>15985644
>>15985650
>>15985680
>>15985685

Spring Drive is a mechanical movement that uses a quartz crystal to regulate the watch instead of a traditional wheel. The electrical current that is required to activate the quartz is created mechanically using a rotor, like an automatic watch.

So, it is not traditionally mechanical (because it uses electricity, which traditional mechanical watches do not) but it is not a PCB quartz movement with a battery either.

Many "watch guys" are accepting of the Spring Drive because it doesn't use a battery and can be built and serviced by actual watchmakers. Spring Drive is pretty much as close to a combination of the two technologies as you can get.

To use an analogy, Spring Drive is like a hybrid car. Way better gas mileage, instantaneous torque, better acceleration (if executed properly), etc. but some purists balk at the technology and prefer entirely internal combustion engines.

[Anonymous No.15985746]

>>15985738
dresses normal-safe, kinda dorky
think polo tees with chinoes and trainers

[Anonymous No.15985777]

>>15985746
Seiko SNKL41 or Citizen BU2070-12L

[Anonymous No.15985795]

What watch would you buy to flex on an asshole former co-worker who once gloated about his white gold Patek Calatrava?

[Anonymous No.15985800]

>>15985795
R.W. Smith

[Anonymous No.15985808]

Little difference between a kinetic quartz (rotor coil charges capacitor which runs quartz timing chip) and spring drive (rotor winds spring and coil runs quartz timing chip)

[Anonymous No.15985812]

>>15985795
A Nautilus.

[Anonymous No.15985813]

>>15985795
j&co astronomia solar zodiac

[Anonymous No.15985816]

Certina ds4
It's the ultimate normcore watch, a perfect size for someone with smaller wrists, sapphire crystal, swiss made.
It's not mechanical it's high accuracy quartz so he will only ever have to adjust it for daylight savings time and it will never be off by more than 10 maybe 15 seconds at worst.
In either brown dial
https://www.jomashop.com/certina-watch-c022-410-16-290-00.html
Or silver
https://www.jomashop.com/certina-watch-c022-410-16-030-00.html
Don't get him a cheap mechanical they are a pain in the ass and he will have to reset it multiple times a week.

[Anonymous No.15985821]

>>15985816
Id the strap is too dressy get a stiched leather one form hirsh and pay a jeweler $5 to swap it for you.

[Anonymous No.15985823]

>>15985662
dumb actual redditor

[Anonymous No.15985826]

>>15985812
Would a Royal Oak be as good of a flex? Considering the steel Nautilus's scarcity since being discontinued.

[Anonymous No.15985830]

>>15985795
chronomètre bleu

[Anonymous No.15985837]

>>15985795
Lange 1815 chrono.

[Anonymous No.15985842]

>>15985837
>cut numerals

[Anonymous No.15985845]

>>15985830
>chronomètre bleu
Love these watches.

[Anonymous No.15985848]

>>15985830
Too bad those are even more unobtanium than they already were.

[Anonymous No.15985851]

>>15985826
Depends on the specific model and if the Patek owner rates AP at all. Also it's not like Royal Oaks are easy to get at the moment either.

[Anonymous No.15985853]

>>15985826
to flex on a calatrava you need something A) more expensive and/or B) more exclusive/more rare

imo the ultimate shitpost will be something crass/edgy and totally the opposite of a calatrava but higher on the horology pyramid, a purchase made with fuck-you money taking a dump on his delicate watch-normie sensibilities

[Anonymous No.15985861]

>>15985830
They are obtainable is you want to pay over twice the list price.

[Anonymous No.15985862]

>>15985853
What would meet those criteria? A Richard Mille?

[Anonymous No.15985868]

>>15985862
Most Patek owners would laugh at RM. That's why a more expensive or rarer Patek would flex the best.

[Anonymous No.15985871]

>>15985816
>>15985777
>Citizen BU2070-12L
>Certina ds4
man these 2 are so norm-core it hurts, they fit him totally
>>15985777
>snkl41
yes ive considered this before but was curious what other anons might suggest

thanks for the suggestion guys, reallly appreciate it

[Anonymous No.15985873]

>>15985412
>rolex used to
Never hurt their prices none, then look at Panerai and their beginnings, almost all exclusively Rolex, yet here they are, charging ridiculous money for disgusting lowgrade shit that can be replicated for a few hundred at max, but creating intriguing things in house at the same time.

>>15985479
>>15985494
(Grand) Seiko and Credor might very well be the thinking watch enthusiasts go-to in the current times, looking through the SWISS MADE bullshit, getting your moneys worth and so on. At the end of the day, you will still fall into either of the two categories, either wanting to impress someone, or buying an extremely well made piece for the sake of it being an extremely well made piece. Also heavily dependant on the place you are in right now, working in and the customers you may want to impress if that is part of your job.

I feel I could write on this topic for so long, for there are so many variables, to go between Grand Seiko, FP Journe, Parmigianni, JLC, Audemars, VC, hand-made one-offs, etc. etc. just so many possibilities of interactions and personal preferences, Im just gonna go have some more wine and check back tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.15985878]

>>15985853
so you get an Eichi II, hit record, do a "durability" test against a <$50 G-shock and upload the video to youtube

[Anonymous No.15985886]

>>15985868
who cares? everyone knows how much a RM costs. People can only cope by laughing at RM but they are all secretly seething

a calatrava is like super entry patek
it is the orient bambino of HH watches

[Anonymous No.15985887]

>>15985853
just get a paul newman daytona

[Anonymous No.15985895]

>>15985878
Haha

[Anonymous No.15985904]

>>15985851
Of course, but at least I wouldn’t be spending six figures on a steel Royal Oak.

[Anonymous No.15985912]

>>15985904
Spending 5 figures just to flex on some asshole seems more stupid than that.

[Anonymous No.15985915]

>>15985904
Just invite them diving on your private beach.

[Anonymous No.15985916]

whereis new thread

[Anonymous No.15985925]

>>15985916
shipping from Korea is taking a while, be patient

[Anonymous No.15985931]

>>15985886
>bambino of hh watches
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.15985933]

>>15985925
NEW THREAD NOW!
NEW THREAD NOW!
NEW THREAD NOW!

[Anonymous No.15985938]

>>15985916
>>15985933
give me a minute you lazy fucks. trawling for an OP image.

[Anonymous No.15985941]

new thread u horologists

>>15985940
>>15985940
>>15985940

[Anonymous No.15985942]

>>15985933
I'm sorry sir, but crying, kicking and screaming won't put you ahead of other members in the waitlist. It is also frankly unbecoming of the modest people we sell our luxury time pieces to.
Now, while you're here, can I interest you in an Air King?

[Anonymous No.15987095]

I work as a landscaper but am starting uni this year. Have a 1k aussie budget but want to stick to either a 3 watch or 1 watch collection. Thinking F91w beater, Tissot PRX daily and a Seiko Samurai weekender, or just an Orient Kamasu and putting the savings to other expenses. What would you guys do? Should I extend the budget a bit and just buy a Seiko SPD143?

[Anonymous No.15987466]

>>15985709
The discussion wasn't about whether or not Rolex is overpriced; it definitely is.
The discussion was about what makes a really expensive watch ($100k+) so expensive; and the answer is: finishing and craftsmanship.

[Anonymous No.15987537]

>>15985008
I'd be happy with this collection.