what is the most effay city

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what is the most effay city Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:49:36 2020 No.15750322 [Reply] [Original]

and why is it indisputably new york?

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:53:27 2020 No.15750333
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My nigga. When I lived in Brooklyn I spent so many Saturday afternoons just exploring and taking photos of the architecture.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:57:55 2020 No.15750346 >>15750333 why did you leave?

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:59:26 2020 No.15750351

>>15750346
Got furloughed from my job and couldn't renew my lease at the time so I went back to my shithole hometown. Then I started working remote and didn't feel like going to a super locked-down city so I'm in my shithole hometown for now. I've been plowing a girl who still lives in Manhattan and comes down here occasionally so I may go back next spring.

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:01:46 2020 No.15750359

>>15750351
hope you at least managed to save some money from unemployment... i will say new york is not super locked down at the moment, it's pretty comfy to walk around and do shit outside as long as youre not someone that needs a ton of company to have a good time. i even went to the met the other day.

you should come back and snag a cheaper apartment while they're available too

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 01:31:04 2020 No.15750919 copenhagen, never moving from this city

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 01:34:11 2020 No.15750921 >>15750322 Too flat

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 01:40:05 2020 No.15750935

>>15750322
new york feel and look is extremely oversaturated from a century of media exposure. Too much baggage attached to it, and it current inhabitants primary goal is trying to recreate a bygone era. Nothing new to be said. City died in the late 90s. When nearly everything feels like a larp you know its over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:27:32 2020 No.15751045 File: 597 KB, 858x477, 1606422158027.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750935 t. tard who got the "real" New Yorker experience by going to Times Square and Hudson Yards

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:35:52 2020 No.15751058 File: 2.75 MB, 2531x1240, phoenix.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 Phoenix

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:36:23 2020 No.15751059

>>15751045
lmao I hope to god you're underage. When I was a retarded teenager I too romantized le brooklyn brownstone cool underground new yawk subway artsy blah blah blah bullshit. But I grew up and then realized how fucking played out the whole city is, a giant rotting corpse with manhattan and most of brooklyn already in its final exposed skeleton phase. There is nothing there but larping rich people sucking the last of its culturally exhausted life the got from moveis and tv, stupid poverty stricken instagram affiliate wannabes, homeless, and real estate foreign money dump. No new life, you are chained to what has already occured there
Though this isn't exclusive to new york, most of the first world is in this situation at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:37:42 2020 No.15751061 File: 266 KB, 1024x1024, 26zwgg20k5x41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Phoenix

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:42:16 2020 No.15751068 File: 312 KB, 900x542, Webp.net-resizeimage-15-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Darwin, Australia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:43:13 2020 No.15751070 >>15751059 And this is why Phoenix is the most patrician choice. It's a truly modern city that isn't just coasting on the fumes of a bygone era.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 03:19:22 2020 No.15751103

>>15750322
Oxfords quite nice. Obviously the architecture is world class (but not everywhere) but it's also a quick drive to some scenic spots. However if you walk far enough from the centre it does become a lot worse. But that goes for everywhere.

Cambridge is a similar case but I've spent a lot less time there.

London is pretty cool. It's my go to city so I'm a bit bias. There are some really cool areas. Big changes to kings cross are cool and it's always quite there at least when I go. Parks are all very nice. Always a lot of pop up galleries. Street food is lacking but you can find some good stuff if you look around.

Tbh cities are pretty meme-tier. I spent most of my time at home just in the countryside and then I go on holiday I just travel town to town, only briefly seeing cities because unless you know someone who lives there or really do your research you'll just fall for tourist traps.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 03:42:07 2020 No.15751137

>>15750322
>>15751059
this is completely true, i live an hour outside the city and have been going in my whole life, at this point in time it's truly a lifeless husk playground for rich people. there is not one single person i've come across in the city who isn't either a trust fund kid/yuppie or a complete poser trying to live some bohemian lifestyle they saw on tv, often both.

new york used to be a place for weird people to come and be themselves and pursue their own interests; in 2020 there is not a single person in new york city not trying to be cool or recognized or famous. desu the internet ruined all types of genuine subculture around the globe and turned any interest you could possibly have into a circlejerk commodity. only go there if you want a $12 smoothie

>>15751070
imma keep it real with you chief that is not even remotely true

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 04:38:15 2020 No.15751235 >>15751068 that unironically looks comfy. All you need is some mosquito coils and you good to go

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 04:42:11 2020 No.15751240 >>15751070 PHOENIX LMAOOO

>>	Me !1n6WugqKa6 Mon Nov 30 04:47:03 2020 No.15751245 >>15751068 reminds me of the outdoor prisons in mexico

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 08:26:34 2020 No.15751616 >>15751058 yikes

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 08:29:47 2020 No.15751619 >>15751070 Phoenix is just another fuckin stop on the freeway, nothing else

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 08:43:10 2020 No.15751633

>>15750322
>NYC
>Effay
>actual NYers leaving in droves
>infrastructure and security coming apart at the seams
>Chinese nationals buying out prime real estate harder than Canada
>business running amok since enforcement agencies there are a joke
>tourists crowding out fukken everything and make your life miserable
Sure

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 08:50:22 2020 No.15751636 Johannesburg

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 09:42:08 2020 No.15751746 The guy trying to shill phoenix lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 09:47:02 2020 No.15751759 >>15751070 Phoenix isn't even the best city in Arizona

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 10:09:04 2020 No.15751788

>>15750322
nyc is literally a shithole. a walk outside penn station yields you an overwhelming amount of heroin addicts congregated together. trash everywhere, smells like shit. rats run across your feet. beggars asking you for money. and everyone who isn't a new yorker comes here and claims they are because they now live in kips bay and claims nyc is /fa/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 10:10:57 2020 No.15751793 >>15751633 This. In my 24 year lifetime corporations and the wealthy have taken over the city. The city’s culture is dead and gone, replaced by a carefully constructed simulacrum. It’s basically a fucking theme park.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 10:53:19 2020 No.15751869 >>15750921 try uptown then

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 11:01:42 2020 No.15751885 >>15750351 hope u wear a mask while having SEX

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 11:01:50 2020 No.15751886 >>15751633 >>15751793 This >t. Brooklyn

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 11:32:42 2020 No.15751966

>>15751793
the only thing more played out than new york is claiming new york is played out and dead. seriously look around, the city is mostly working class people, kids and young families, and it remains the only major walkable city in america where people actually interact with one another across racial lines in a sustained and meaningful way. it's the best we got

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:06:58 2020 No.15752054 New Orleans is the most culturally unique city in all of the continental US

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:18:59 2020 No.15752075 I feel like, if I city doesn’t have a make out point where you can see the skyline then it’s too big. I don’t think big cities are the most effay. Little towns no one knows about definitely are the most pretty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:26:40 2020 No.15752091 >>15751103 where do the weird people in london hang out now that camden/shoreditch/dalston/peckham are played out?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:30:18 2020 No.15752100 File: 265 KB, 717x1024, 20070810_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Helsinki

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:32:47 2020 No.15752109 >>15751966 >>PHILLY BLOCKS YR PATH

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:34:10 2020 No.15752113 >>15752054 certainly as far as local, homegrown culture is concerned... but i'd argue that new york is the most culturally distinct due to its diversity

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:35:25 2020 No.15752117 >>15752109 i don't know if i could deal with philly's segregation. also the white hipsters are uglier than the white hipsters in new york, and somehow they stand out more too

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:49:34 2020 No.15752137 >>15752113 Every culture is represented here it’s just not as big. There’s a reason so many New Yorkers move to New Orleans when they get sick of the city

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:51:02 2020 No.15752142 >>15752100 How does one get into Sweden?

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:57:33 2020 No.15752156

>>15750322
Right now I'd say London. England has been setting mainstream trends for the last couple of years and people can't seem to get enough of it. For high fashion it's probably still Paris but only homosexuals care.

Whites in New York are still dressing the same as ten years ago and blacks have always dressed like shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 13:18:48 2020 No.15752195 >>15752137 it’s a shame new orleans won’t exist in 50 years. it’s a great city

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 13:23:11 2020 No.15752215 >>15752109 This. Philadelphia is the better NY and will make a name for itself in the next 4 decades that people will be talking about Philly like they do about NY right now. We on the come up.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 13:33:44 2020 No.15752249
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>>15750322
>Cheap
>Hot chicks
>Cultured (if you're one of those fags)
>Big city benefits but small city feel
>Huge universities and young people because of it
>Did I say cheap?
>Actual varying climate with distinct seasons, cooler months 2/3 of the year, so you can actually dress nice

So, MTL is king.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 13:38:52 2020 No.15752265 >>15752249 But Igor lives there, gross

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:07:08 2020 No.15752346 >>15752265 I mostly go on /o/, /out/, and /fit/. Who the fuck is Igor?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:27:52 2020 No.15752389 >>15752249 I love Montreal. It's like if Brooklyn was a stand alone city, except with cheap rent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:29:11 2020 No.15752396 >>15752346 >>15752310

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:41:23 2020 No.15752422
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>>15751633
>>15750322
>>15750333
>>15751137
I lived in NYC from 2010-2014. I went back in 2018 to visit and it was significantly worse than when I left. NYU has bought up most of NoHo, Homelessness has increased drastically over the last decade due to constantly rising rents. And they have completely neglected the Subways because rich people don't use it. Like, things were already gentrified in 2010 (I was friends with a couple of rich kids from the UAE and Vietnam respectively), but it wasn't as bad as it is now (at least prior to the pandemic. I hear some rumblings about rents coming down due to rich people leaving NYC for houses in White Plains and Westchester). The fact that they are tearing down a Mid Century Natalie de Blois SOM designed skyskraper and gutting the interior of Philip Johnson's Sony Building is frankly disgusting.

There are many things to still love about NYC, most of which are the permanent architectural fixtures of the city that can't be easily destroyed because of historical protection, but most of everything else died or has become so commercialized that there is nothing of the old charm left.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:42:06 2020 No.15752424

As someone who has always imagined Baltimore as a shithole, I recently went to Baltimore and was very pleasantly surprised. Beautiful architecture, interesting culture, good mix of grunge/poverty and academic wealth. Probably not the most fa but definitely up there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:43:59 2020 No.15752438 >>15752424 Also, it isn't overrun with faggots like New York and God forbid LA, at least to my knowledge. The blacks are holding down the fort.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 14:51:03 2020 No.15752462
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>>15752422
btw, my vote is Savannah, GA. Simply the nicest downtown I have ever walked around in, almost entirely beautiful historical buildings and with still not too insane housing costs.

Hasn't been insanely commercialized yet either. Worst part about it is that it is a college town but at least it's an art college and not a some kind of sports obsessed state school.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 15:01:18 2020 No.15752496 File: 1.30 MB, 1795x1067, athensdowntown.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15752462 savannah is great, seconded. athens is another good town in ga

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 15:08:06 2020 No.15752519 >>15751061 This is one of the most depressing images I've ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 15:12:22 2020 No.15752529 >>15751793 You heard it people. Corporations and the wealthy took over New York City... but only in the past 24 years!

>>	Me !1n6WugqKa6 Mon Nov 30 15:12:37 2020 No.15752533 >>15752215 lmao holy hell i just made a post about how they both suck....you guys need to travel more

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 15:22:08 2020 No.15752573 >>15752091 >weird people you're just an npc

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 15:40:46 2020 No.15752646 >>15751068 comfy af consoomers btfo yet again - they just can't seem to win!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 15:44:51 2020 No.15752662 >>15752438 its a shithole then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 16:03:49 2020 No.15752718 >>15752662 You don't understand the charm of the hood.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 16:07:30 2020 No.15752729

>>15751619
>>15751746
> The 5th biggest city in America, and the ONLY new and modern megacity in America, is just a highway stop.
LMAO denial. While you're cooking in the summer heat in your 100 year old lead-painted asbestos filled Brownstone, Phoenicians are comfy and cool in their modern air conditioned buildings. Funny how that works when Phoenix is the one in the desert, but that's the power of modern technology. Too bad New York is full of crumbling old buildings that lack modern amenities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 16:09:09 2020 No.15752732 >>15750322 NY is a fucking shithole, I'm never living there again

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 17:46:05 2020 No.15752949 >>15752718 no I don't care about poverty. Black people controlled poverty though is absolute shit I will avoid with every ounce of my beings t.retard who had to grow up in oakland

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:36:53 2020 No.15753085

>>15752718
baltimore is great, but i wouldn't necessarily agree that "the hood" is charming. the best parts of baltimore are majority black, middle class, vibrant neighborhoods. sometimes a bit rough around the edges, community oriented, friendly, where people are comfortable playing music on the sidewalk, drinking and smoking outside, where dive bars are actually fun to hang out at. but i wouldn't necessarily call sandtown winchester charming

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:38:35 2020 No.15753089 Stowe, Vermont

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:52:02 2020 No.15753116 >>15752117 >>15752215 these are both true

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 20:15:12 2020 No.15753310 >>15752424 what spots/areas would you recommend in Baltimore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 21:00:35 2020 No.15753437 >>15752424 Legitimately want to check out Baltimore.

>>	Me !1n6WugqKa6 Mon Nov 30 21:24:15 2020 No.15753499 >>15753437 east coast dope capitol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 21:26:53 2020 No.15753506 >>15753310 Mt Vernon area, Fells Point

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 11:56:29 2020 No.15754967 >>15750322 God how I miss walking pass the brownstones on the way to see my mom at AMNH.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:04:37 2020 No.15754982 File: 45 KB, 373x332, 1510255837484.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15751061 >Sprawl Good luck spending all that money you saved from a house on a car retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:07:16 2020 No.15754992 File: 420 KB, 720x405, screenshot01478.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 >jew yark

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:07:48 2020 No.15754994 >>15752422 I grew up in New York and idk how it is now but I have never felt a sense of community like I had there. I lived in the Bronx and pretty much everyone there knew each other and took care of each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:09:37 2020 No.15754996 >>15750322 hebrew hands typed this

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:11:42 2020 No.15755002

>>15752422
the public transportation is happening in Europe too. You get shit skins and dirty mutts from 3rd world countries and expect civilized well off people to take public transportation...fuck off.

I actually enjoy public transportation, but not when it's always late, customer service is rude and you have to deal with niggers,gypsies muslims and huehues making scenes

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:17:56 2020 No.15755019 File: 270 KB, 982x726, helsinki-overview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Helsinki

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 12:18:39 2020 No.15755020 File: 1.07 MB, 2000x1333, -1x-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's Tokyo. Saying it's Paris, Milan , NY or LA is a cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 14:00:42 2020 No.15755337 File: 1.05 MB, 3000x1541, berlin12345.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Berlin

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 14:11:01 2020 No.15755370 File: 495 KB, 1527x1080, 1527px-Bayreuth_1900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 Everyone knows it's Bayreuth

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 18:27:33 2020 No.15756079

>>15754994
it depends on where you are, but yes, it feels this way. as a white 19 year old living in flatbush i was invited to the block party, had a few neighborhood friends, my super would give me weed for free and give me and my gf rides around in his crappy 95 acura. i miss that neighborhood. i'm in harlem now and it's not the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 18:32:10 2020 No.15756094 >>15755337 Agreed

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 18:33:29 2020 No.15756099 >>15755020 You've never been to tokyo

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 18:58:00 2020 No.15756141 Greenville and Centerville, Delaware

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 20:34:12 2020 No.15756318 >>15751061 My grid city is being fucked by West and East coast transplants. Cannot afford to live in any of my old neighborhoods anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 21:23:24 2020 No.15756461 >>15756318 just remember those transplants are poorfags in their own states fleeing because they can't afford it either, you're poorer than poor people it might be time to kys

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 10:23:00 2020 No.15757543 Is Chicago effay? Moving there at the end of the month

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 10:27:28 2020 No.15757549 >>15757543 ahahahahahaha no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 10:30:17 2020 No.15757554 >>15757549 Brutal

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 10:45:50 2020 No.15757583 >>15755337 Berlin is garbage

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:01:25 2020 No.15757673 >>15752462 >>15752496 I'm from NYC, family moved down to GA and I plan on staying here after uni. What are some effay neighborhoods in ATL? Looking for something with great public transportation

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:02:54 2020 No.15757678

>>15757543
my main issue with chicago is that it’s a big city, and quite car dependent, so parking on the north side and in the loop sucks. but its public transportation system can’t get you everywhere you need to go like in nyc and boston/cambridge/etc.

also it’s a destination for ambitious bland mid western men, so it feels very fratty. also, that fucking weather.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:03:59 2020 No.15757681 >>15757673 if you’re from new york and used to it there is no good public transportation in atlanta. just get a car like everyone else and get used to driving half your life

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:09:40 2020 No.15757684 >>15752100 Helsinki is good but it isn't effay yet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:09:57 2020 No.15757685 File: 257 KB, 1000x665, cph.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Copenhagen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:58:51 2020 No.15757761 >>15757583 you have never been there it's only mostly garbage

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 13:08:16 2020 No.15757786 >>15751793 Basically what's happened to London too. You can still find interesting and cool shit but normal people are completely priced out. Also if something that is culturally interesting can be comodified, it will be.

>>	Sieg !NP2jUmGKeo Wed Dec 2 13:09:49 2020 No.15757791 File: 181 KB, 924x693, IMG_20181027_160519.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is an okay view for socal

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 13:53:54 2020 No.15757888 >>15752142 >Helsinki >Sweden

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 13:54:57 2020 No.15757891 Why do North Americans and New Worlders even bother posting their culture-less hellholes in these threads

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 15:27:23 2020 No.15758085 >>15757791 great view its not shit the filled hood suburbs

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 15:59:42 2020 No.15758184 >>15757678 >also it’s a destination for ambitious bland mid western men, so it feels very fratty. also, that fucking weather. Shit, im liking the idea of chicago

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 16:11:40 2020 No.15758222 >>15758184 enjoy living in a frozen apartheid state full of uninspired people. the beaches are fake too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 16:20:24 2020 No.15758247 Berlin, Melbourne, Phoenix.. OP the list goes on

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 16:45:25 2020 No.15758317 >>15751759 This. Phoenix might be one of the worst cities in AZ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 20:37:58 2020 No.15758973 >>15758317 i honestly cannot think of a worse place

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 20:41:04 2020 No.15758986 >>15757681 how about night life, a lot stores near me (Marietta) start closing at 8

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:41:21 2020 No.15759316 >>15758986 here in new york it’s dead too

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:58:36 2020 No.15759344

>>15750935
>>15751059
this is very true but not for the reason that >>15751137 lays out...the whole “new york was a place for weird people to do art” thing is so fucking gay and only relevant for a couple of decades of its history, this meme is why its such a fucking lame place to live now, faggots from all around the world come here to LARP out that fantasy. new york used to be interesting in spite of that, not because of it... the lame shit you see now is just the end game for that “i’m here to be a faggot” attitude...there is no room for genuine culture to grow because every little art fag boho wannabe exists soley to exploit...people have this idea that the artist class of the “old new york” were these hard luck savants but if you look hard enough into their backgrounds the VAST majority of them were EXACTLY like the little kids running around from rich families that people call wannabes now. NYC iin 2020 is seriously one of the most fake places on earth like the majority of American cities its all a giant larp

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:32:32 2020 No.15760578

>>15759344
but isn't that the case for art... period? i think a lot of young transplant "artists" idealize the early graffiti era but would likely agree that there have always been rich wannabe bohemians flooding into new york. that said, until the mid 90s there was a lot more freedom for what that lifestyle could look like. nowadays everyone who wants to live "the nyc life!!!" lives in one of three neighborhoods, hangs out at the same bars, shops at the same clothing stores. i have a couple aquaintances who are heavy into the bushwick shit and it's wild - they're reproducing the same small town dynamics of wherever it is that they came from, while paying double in rent and dressing better than they did in high school/college.

i live here now, and i don't honestly care that much about art. i like new york because it's the only city i've lived in where i can truly feel anonymous, and because i think old new yorkers are funny and cool to be around. i also like to dance under non-covid circumstances and there are some good djs here and it's fun to check out new spots. i think a lot of people assume that every 20something new yorker is some sort of egomaniac artist-hopeful but it's not true. there are down to earth people here just like there are everywhere. a lot of people just end up here, or end up staying here. a lot of people live here because they don't want to drive a car, like having 4 seasons, like the beach, they want to be surrounded by people, and they want to be able to get delicious cheap food anytime of the day. it's just a fucking place. the most toxic shit is when people act like art-inclined yuppie children ARE the city.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:33:40 2020 No.15760580 Detroit is pretty rich

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:34:30 2020 No.15760582 >>15757761 Berlin is garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:47:53 2020 No.15760610 >>15760578 >where i can truly feel anonymous all major (1M+ pop) cities are like this in my experience, and i've lived in quite a few.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:58:39 2020 No.15760633

>>15760610
for the sake of argument, let's look at the cities in the US over 1 million population, excluding new york

Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philly, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose.

all except for philly and chicago are cities where car ownership is mandatory. in my experience chicago is a difficult place to live without a car, is far too cold, and is completely culturally vacant. if new yorkers are larpers, fine. i'd still prefer that to a city where hot dogs are a source of local identity and pride.

i think the case could be made for philly - affordable, dense, decent public transportation, seems to be a place that young people are moving to in large numbers, but i've been there a few times and i'm not totally convinced.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:01:13 2020 No.15760640

art is a deeply important part of the soul of the city. you shit on art and artists because you’re midwit plebs and don’t get it, you don’t respect any art that isn’t muh mimetically representational because you are culturelets. but a big part of what makes NYC such a unique and creative place is its wealth of artists, galleries and museums. yes it was turning into a mall pre-covid, but that has to do with (((corporate interests))), tourism, and bullshit like that, not art. covid has only made the city a better place to be an artist and hopefully it will continue to be so. with all the midwestern transplants fleeing, it’s made it cheaper to rent studio space and open galleries. it feels like it’s going back to the grime of the 70s again and i fucking love it honestly.
> muh nightlife
the art and fashion worlds keep NYC alive, unique, cutting edge and interesting. without us it might as well be any other generic pleb city like dallas or cincinnati.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:04:56 2020 No.15760645

>>15760578
>a lot of people assume that every 20something new yorker is some sort of egomaniac artist-hopeful but it's not true
>the most toxic shit is when people act like art-inclined yuppie children ARE the city.
Exactly. There's a lot more to New York than the hip neighborhoods that got gentrified. I'm not sure why there's such a focus on these neighborhoods either. Maybe it's because more influencers are taking photos of themselves in Bushwick and Chinatown than in Sheepshead Bay, so other people online who are unfamiliar with New York are inundated only with images of "the hip" rather than images of union workers or bankers or old Puerto Rican ladies.

>they're reproducing the same small town dynamics of wherever it is that they came from, while paying double in rent and dressing better than they did in high school/college.
To build on your point, I think there's a misnomer here with people who levy this fact as a criticism. They frequently characterize these hip Brooklyn types as though they're trying to escape that small town dynamic and be unique. I honestly think a lot of those kids liked the small town functioned, with it's few spots, but hated being the loner weirdos in their home town, so having somewhere that has those small-town circle where there are more people like them is what they celebrate. When people make fun of these kids with the whole "You're not unique lol" shit, it's like, no shit dude, that's the point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:15:27 2020 No.15760665 >>15760580 rich of niggers

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:16:38 2020 No.15760669 >>15750322 DETROIT DETRIUT DETROITBDETROIT DETOUR

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:17:00 2020 No.15760670 >>15760633 most of the cities that you mentioned are livable without a car if you don't live in the suburbs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:01:03 2020 No.15760755 File: 855 KB, 562x598, carthage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 Livability of a city depends on your interests. If you love surfing move to Piha If you love books and theatre, maybe Wellington is your best destination.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:28:09 2020 No.15760825 New York is undoubtedly the greates city in the world. Too bad it smells like shit and is expensive as fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:30:39 2020 No.15760828 New York, Tokyo, maybe London Fuck everywhere else

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:31:26 2020 No.15760829 Munich

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:31:54 2020 No.15760830 >>15760825 Yes, the greates smelly and expensive scam

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:00:12 2020 No.15761048 File: 3.12 MB, 4320x3240, Benissqr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Benis, Iran xD

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:25:17 2020 No.15761123 >>15760829 absolutely not, fuck munich big time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:45:56 2020 No.15761178 >>15755370 lmao >bayreuth

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:08:50 2020 No.15761397 File: 1.26 MB, 3000x2000, berlinbeautiful.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15760582 >Berlin is garbage you are garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:52:10 2020 No.15761495 >>15750322 obviously Tokyo

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:56:19 2020 No.15761509 File: 59 KB, 960x882, 1596142510326.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It is and always has been London

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:58:55 2020 No.15761512 Noone mentioned Prague yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:13:44 2020 No.15761562 >>15750322 Vienna Austria, hands down. Not a single shitty fucking US city comes close tp the beauty the history and the vibe of Vienna. Its that good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:14:05 2020 No.15761563 >no mention of Rome or Florence. >>15760828 >>15761509 >>15751103 London is a concrete-jungle dystopia tier. >>15757891 There are a few gems in the garbage heap.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:28:19 2020 No.15761771

>>15761563
>Rome

went to Rome a couple years back and it was fucking amazing. since the major cities like NYC and London are so expensive these days, places like Rome, Lisbon, Montreal, Philly... that's where people are gonna be living the cool life now

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:33:25 2020 No.15761777 >>15752422 Poet? is that you? if not, my apologies. You type like him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:37:35 2020 No.15761783 >>15751235 Until you realize Australia has fucking horrifying wildlife

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:03:09 2020 No.15761837 >>15760640 i’m worried the vaccine will bring rent back to normal. practically overnight

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:18:33 2020 No.15761867

>>15761837
i know right. i moved upstate to get away, but i’m tempted to grab a cheap lease while the going’s good. i have friends moving from ridgewood into nice buildings in manhattan. but it won’t last if there’s a vaccine. shlomo and chang buying up all the cheap real estate right now, i’m scared to imagine how corporately sterilized, neutered and mall-like the city will be once everything goes “back to normal.”

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:20:38 2020 No.15761871 >>15761867 >i moved ... to get away, but i’m tempted to grab a cheap lease while the going’s good I know that feel so hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:39:06 2020 No.15761903 >>15760645 completely agree with all your points. all my friends who live in bushwick barely leave the lower manhattan to ridgewood corridor. people constantly ask me “WHY do you live in harlem?” it’s insane

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:49:54 2020 No.15761920 >>15750322 Idk, Paris and Rome are pretty /fa/...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:17:27 2020 No.15761986 >>15760645 >Maybe it's because more influencers are taking photos of themselves in Bushwick and Chinatown than in Sheepshead Bay, I agree with you but this is funny given how many Russian instagram models take photos at the sheepshead bay pier lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:20:25 2020 No.15761997 >>15757678 I live in Chicago and have never needed a car to do daily errands. Transit + walking/biking is more than good enough, maybe you're just a fatty

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:20:37 2020 No.15761998 >>15750322 It's Jacksonville, Florida

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:02:13 2020 No.15762083

>>15750322
not any burger city for sure

I'd say Berlin Amsterdam and Copenhagen for diverse kinds of fashion and also open-mindedness to lifestyles that can accommodate more unusual clothing as daily fits. Also they're located in countries with a culture that encourages /fa/ behavior: getting good quality, tasteful (ok maybe not germany) well-designed gear and clothes and other /fa/ behavior (taking care of your health, thrifting, being comfy, mixing tradition with modern stuff, etc).

Paris for more conventional fashion and the architecture.

London and Antwerp come in close too because they're important in the fashion industry, have important design schools, and have produced many talented designers, but I don't think the average people there aren't more /fa/ than in american yuppie high-income liberal arts big cities

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:03:28 2020 No.15762087 >>15752389 >Montréal >cheap rent nègre quoi?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:04:31 2020 No.15762089 >>15762087 what city offers as much as montreal for a lower price?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:19:02 2020 No.15762109

>>15762089
idk... any european city with 1-2 million people???
I grew up in quebec and rent is literally cheaper in paris (where I now live) than in montréal. When I lived in montreal a room in a shared house near Outremont (not even very central, like its on the useless part of the line) cost as much as what I'm paying now to live in a 1-bedroom apartment in Paris where I don't need to share the kitchen and shitter and have a room of the same size. Montréal is a nice city though and I'll for sure go back after univeristy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:35:06 2020 No.15762137 >>15750322 no1 mentioning taipei lmao, literally the beating heart of streetwear and asian fashion trough massive amounts of young people being able to have shops in special districts. rest of asia copies taipei, including tokyo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:48:13 2020 No.15762168 File: 253 KB, 683x1024, SML00149.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15762137 this what girls dress like in taipei? http://www.seanmarclee.com/streetfashion

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:53:28 2020 No.15762177 >>15750322 i just moved to nyc in the middle of the pandemic and it was honestly best decision of my life. the city is so diverse with architecture, style, culture, etc. every day i see something new.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:09:28 2020 No.15762215 >>15761509 London’s pretty fuckin cool

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:14:14 2020 No.15762360 >>15762177 where did you move? any neighborhoods in particular that you’ve enjoyed exploring?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:25:23 2020 No.15762369 >>15761512 detroit tier in terms of once glorious city taken over by niggers give it back to austria

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:11:27 2020 No.15762427 >>15752496 ayyyy I was passing through athens after leaving ny in september and ended up lingering, will probably stay here

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:16:01 2020 No.15762439 >>15757673 little five points in ATL is where all the thrift and record shops are oriented, other than that there's no effay presence

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 10:57:14 2020 No.15763271

>>15761986
>Russian instagram models take photos at the sheepshead bay pier
Haha, really? Guess it was a bad example. But yeah, you get my point. Let's go with the Flatlands instead. Or Brownsville. Unless people are using Brownsville for the edge. I dunno, I'm not on the gram, so whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 11:18:46 2020 No.15763319 >>15750322 Well I can’t tell you what the most /fa/ city is, but I can certainly tell you which city is NOT /fa/, and it’s Seattle

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 11:59:47 2020 No.15763377

>>15763271
Flatlands is a good example lol. Apparently a lot of white artists are moving to East New York too, but I think Brownsville remains impenetrable because it’s culturally so different from the rest of NY and also because of how much of the neighborhood is public housing. i don’t think i could live there again even if I wanted to...

But yeah, the point remains - a lot of these kids treat lower Manhattan and a few choice neighborhoods in Brooklyn as a playground, but the rest of the city remains untouched/“undiscovered”

Like why do all these move to Ridgewood and spend an hour on the train on their way to get drunk at 169 bar instead of moving to Sunset Park or Windsor Terrace, spending less, and being closer to the chinatown/les bubble they orient their lives around??

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 12:16:26 2020 No.15763398 >>15750351 >Wahhh why can't I live in The City(tm) and pay 2k/month in rent for 800 sq ft You're the scum of the earth cityfag. I hope you lose everything.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 12:22:56 2020 No.15763410 >>15762177 >Every day I see a different spic robbing a bodega Yes so diverse

>>	Me !1n6WugqKa6 Fri Dec 4 12:25:26 2020 No.15763413 >>15761783 Don’t they have just about every poisonous snake in the world? (Don’t quote me on that)...the dingos eat babies while the other animals smoke weed and do god knows what. Sounds kinda cool I wanna visit but maybe not make a home there

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 12:26:31 2020 No.15763415 File: 137 KB, 616x828, F6C13778-56F0-457E-874A-4BCC82970EF5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15763319 Agreed, this is the typical seattlite fit

>>	Me !1n6WugqKa6 Fri Dec 4 12:39:39 2020 No.15763429 >>15763415 Nobody dresses like this you are lying

Sieg !NP2jUmGKeo Fri Dec 4 12:52:44 2020 No.15763442
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>>15755020
>Tokyo
is beautiful but i can't live there full time, not much freedom. plus my car there is neglected. i have to probably buy a new one.

>leave my car sitting for years at a time and doesn't get broken into

see what an awesome country you get when you don't allow nigs and wetbacks into your country?

i bet i could leave my family house unlocked

fly back to the US and go back in a few years and everything ill be fine there

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:04:13 2020 No.15763464 >>15763398 i pay $700 dollars a month and live in a fairly large apartment in harlem with my girlfriend

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:11:57 2020 No.15763479

>>15755020
Tokyo is almost as bad as Singapore. Crowded and it's pretry much a police state when it comes to values. I mean don't get me wrong, it's 100 times better than places ruined by gangs, corruption, crime or poverty, but when talking about best places in the world, why place like that? You can get historic, well functioning places in Scandinavia or few other places in Europe without bootlicking culture.

That being said, I'll go with Zagreb.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:16:58 2020 No.15763485

>>15763377
>a lot of these kids treat lower Manhattan and a few choice neighborhoods in Brooklyn as a playground
I'm definitely guilty of treating my neighborhood like a playground, at least to a degree, but I'm not sorry about it either. I also like a lot of other areas in the city and would probably be happy living in any of them. I just got a relatively good deal on my apartment so I'm staying where I'm at.

As for 169 and the Chinatown scene etc, I'm not really hip to what's going on anymore. Most of my Bushwick friends moved away from the neighborhood years ago, either to the west coast or to Philly or whatever. But I think the appeal of the Ridgewood is that it's a little quieter and lots of those places have back yards, no? So you can have a backyard space that would be practically impossible in Chinatown or the LES where rent is also higher (last I checked). It makes sense to me, and the train rides don't strike me as much of an issue. Lots of the people I know ended up getting jobs in the neighborhoods they worked in, or if they didn't, they could only afford the Bushwick rent, which was cheaper at the time. But they'd get used to going to a bar in the LES after work before returning home to Bushwick. Also, moving from Bushwick to Ridgewood was probably easier for a lot of these folks than moving to Sunset Park away from all their friends. It's multifaceted, but I don't think pure pragmatism is really a part of the equation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:29:54 2020 No.15763510 >>15761562 munich is similar, better university though

>>	Me !1n6WugqKa6 Fri Dec 4 13:30:27 2020 No.15763512 >>15763485 NYC chinatown is a shadow of what it used to be

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:45:28 2020 No.15763545 >>15762137 Taipei is a fucking beautiful city. The skyline, the fashion, the food, the architecture, the accessibility of the mountains. Absolutely underrated city.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:46:47 2020 No.15763547
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>>15763479

Or stay in Japan but pick literally any other metropolis than Tokyo. Lesser-talked about places like Fukuoka, Sendai, Sapporo and a bunch of smaller cities in Ehime will get you a profoundly reasonable cost of living with much more enjoyable/less stressful/interesting culture. Osaka is top tier, just look at this view. Also, they are much more casual and friendly to foreigners, with some of the best food in the country and TONS of nightlife, and access to nature as well. Tokyo is definitely neat, but there are so many other options that are way more livable and have equally if not richer culture.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:46:49 2020 No.15763548 >>15750322 not a single american city can ever be /fa/ my best bet would be something like napoli, berlin, munich, vienna, sevilla, malaga, nice etc...

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:52:51 2020 No.15763560

>>15752462

Lifelong "southerner" (Charlotte) but effay/city-oriented at heart, HUGE agree. I was shocked at how much I enjoyed Savannah. Basically Charleston but more artsy, local downtown culture seems much more connected and lively, and people seem weird in good ways. Charleston but with less yuppies and more cool vibes. Great pick for the South.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 14:52:44 2020 No.15763688

>>15763485
Good points! I think also a lot of people gloss over what you were describing earlier - a lot of these people are seeking community... just like anyone. They aren’t moving to bushwick “because it’s cool,” they’re doing it because they want to be around people, make friends, etc. It’s unfortunate, but not surprising, that the nasty side of gentrification needs to be involved. But this is new york after all. Human movement is followed by massive development projects, and a few people get rich. It’s just a thing that happens.

I think treating a neighborhood like a playground is cool but it’s unfortunate that so many kids leave after a few years. I also wish they’d spend money in the community a bit more - it’s frustrating that a lot of bushwick transplant types don’t see the same value in dominican takeout joints, or Polish restaurants, or some of the last remaining old school espresso spots and spend so much of their money at businesses catered to newcomers to the neighborhood. but i also hate when people blame gentrification on 21 year olds who want to party and make new friends - and not on things like unregulated international investment, speculative investment in neighborhoods, overpriced developments, etc

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 14:58:13 2020 No.15763699 File: 661 KB, 582x519, Capture-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 Winnipeg

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 15:08:31 2020 No.15763723

>>15751059
this is true, but at least from my experience this can be said of most major cities, at least in the US. i've been to a few major cities in europe, but even they sometimes feel like a gigantic outdoor mall and not a real place to live life. it's weird. i always thought when i was younger i had to be in the middle of a major city to be successful, and the older i get, the less i want anything to do with that.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 15:15:15 2020 No.15763743

>>15756461
>just remember those transplants are poorfags in their own states fleeing because they can't afford it either
not to go /pol/, but actually it's the opposite. the people leaving shitholes like new york and commiefornia can't live under their democrat overlords anymore and have chosen to leave. the only people left in those states are people who for some reason can't afford to leave, be it money, family ties, etc. unfortunately these transplants will more than likely bring their liberal bullshit with them that ruined where they came from and turn their new locale into the same shithole they fled. and yes, i know this is a liberal board, but this is the truth.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 15:18:27 2020 No.15763753

>>15757786
Yeah
Soho/Camden/Shoreditch/Dalston are all commodified husks of their former selves at this point, think Peckham is still authentic but barely, I know artists who used to rent studios there and they say they've been priced out
From what I know, current 'cool' places are Deptford/New Cross, warehouse venues in Tottenham, artists have moved to Croydon apparently
This city is a fucking shithole tho

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 15:29:40 2020 No.15763774 >>15762137 >>15763545 Redpill me on Taipei, might be doing a term abroad there

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 15:38:20 2020 No.15763804 File: 202 KB, 1080x1350, c0b68dda79c067aae700d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 Los Angeles is great if you have some money

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:20:17 2020 No.15763936 >>15763398 I still live in the city, just a smaller one without good infrastructure. And I pay close to $2k/mo rent here anyway because I like living in a nice place.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:22:10 2020 No.15763944

>>15763753
I understand the situation’s very different in the U.K., but I really hate Americans who complain about gentrification.
In the US our problem is that rich people moved out of the city centers and we experienced decades of disinvestment. In the last decade we’ve reversed that trend, started building out transit systems again, and now some leftists are all up in arms about “gentrification”.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:23:59 2020 No.15763951 >>15750322 That image could easily be Montreal if it weren't for the fire hydrant.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:24:37 2020 No.15763954

>>15763743
Most of the people leaving California and New York are blue-collar people who can’t afford the cost of living. That’s why the Californians tend to go to Texas and Phoenix: it’s cheaper.

https://www.davisenterprise.com/forum/opinion-columns/whos-leaving-california-its-not-who-you-think/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:25:58 2020 No.15763959 File: 16 KB, 645x770, 1FD6A296-2285-4DBA-9EF5-241087DC84B9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15763743 >not to go /pol/, but >proceeds to spam poltard bullshit Lol. What’s wrong with these kids?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:26:25 2020 No.15763961 >>15763699 >posts pic of frigid snow-hell

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:27:00 2020 No.15763964 >>15763804 I don’t like sitting in traffic for hours a day. If I’m going to pay big city prices I wanna be able to use a subway.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:34:49 2020 No.15763974

>>15763944
I get what you mean about gentrification bringing economic investment and safety/aesthetic beauty, but my main gripe with it is that many people on lower incomes don't get brought up with that process of economic prosperity, and consequently get pushed out of the area in favour of yuppie transplants. This is happening all over London, not just the centre and inner suburbs surrounding the centre
I'm an artsy type from a lower middle class family living on the outskirts of London and I honestly can't envision a future where I can prioritise my art whilst remaining financially independent if I choose to live in London - rents are too high (even in Zone 5/6) and so are consumer prices. The artists living in Peckham/Hackney come from rich families so they can afford to live here, but I don't have that luxury. Wonder how much London's art scene would change if the city became much more affordable for lower middle class/poor people
Definitely understand your frustration with performative SJWs though, fuck those guys

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:38:33 2020 No.15763983

>>15763964
Subways are the armpit of any city. There's maybe 3 cities in the world with a respectable subway (none in the US).

They attract drugs, homeless, dirt, stink, panhandlers, and get upgraded on like a 20 year lifecycle (by which point the cars are caked in a 3 inch layer of shit)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:39:06 2020 No.15763986 >>15763804 LA sucks ass and is a total meme >t. Native SoCal, who left several years ago

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:45:22 2020 No.15763998 I’ve actually heard DC is the most fashionable city.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:50:06 2020 No.15764011

>>15763964
Picking a place to live in LA is just a strategic decision you have to make. I've lived in three different cities within LA county and all of them were super liveable. The traffic only sucks when you're covering more than moderate distances, or live in Hollywood, but fuck that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:53:37 2020 No.15764018 In terms of the people and fashion industry, I don't think any city can compete with Hong Kong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:54:35 2020 No.15764022 >>15764018 >The people >Ching chong

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:55:36 2020 No.15764023

>>15763688
To me the “gentrification” problem in New York is more about a shortage of housing.
In the last decade, we’ve blocked tons of new development (construction slowed way down in New York) and as a result prices rose.
Cities should be allowing more new apartments to get built, especially in the deeper parts of Brooklyn and Queens, and overall affordability will improve.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 17:01:48 2020 No.15764037 los angeles beach cities

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 17:08:50 2020 No.15764055 File: 155 KB, 500x492, 1521079114464.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15763959 nice spacing, tourist

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 17:10:51 2020 No.15764059 >>15764055 Le epic oldfag calling out reddit teehee

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 18:38:12 2020 No.15764237 File: 374 KB, 1479x964, 3aw271m9sn821.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15763983 you very clearly have never traveled anywhere. Kys coping amerimutt, enjoy your cities

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 18:39:13 2020 No.15764244 >>15764055 you are definitely a newfag

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 18:49:01 2020 No.15764267

>>15764023
i agree but at the same time the burden has been unfairly placed on neighborhoods like bushwick, bedstuy, les, crown heights, etc. i feel like there has to be a solution beyond simply building more housing because then what? bushwick becomes an entirely white neighborhood and every black and brown new yorker live together further out in queens?? i’m just not convinced that it’s so straightforward. a new affordable housing building in ozone park isn’t going to touch the ever rising rent of single landlord owner walk ups in bushwick, and families will still be displaced...

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 20:06:45 2020 No.15764383

>>15764267
>i feel like there has to be a solution beyond simply building more housing because then what? bushwick becomes an entirely white neighborhood and every black and brown new yorker live together further out in queens?
No. You build nice upscale housing all over new york, not just the ritzy neighborhoods in Manhattan, then the increased supply reduces the price of housing and NYC becomes more affordable.
In fact, you do this in all major cities.
You say you're not convinced that building more housing will help, but at the same time we have more "tenant protections" in NYC than ever in history and NYC is more unaffordable than ever. We have also built new housing at a much lower rate than normal and as a result cost of housing is at record highs.
last year more apartments were built in Jersey City than Manhattan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/realestate/new-york-city-stalled-real-estate-projects.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 21:44:24 2020 No.15764560 >>15760645 >Bushwick >gentrified It's gotten slightly nicer but it's not anything spectacular. I used to live in East Willy B and never really found myself going down to the wick for any reason.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 23:56:09 2020 No.15764745

>>15763974
It's been always like that, since the dawn of civilization. Normal folk has to work. Artists have always come from rich families that can afford their children doing that. Or super hc artists, who just don't care that they cannot afford to live, but pursue their career like maniacs anyway.

It's not a new thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 00:00:58 2020 No.15764748 >>15763512 Gentrification hits hard. Theres nothing like seeing chinese locals and shops getting pushed out in favor of yuppies' 10$ deconstructed tacos and smoothies

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 00:26:02 2020 No.15764792

>>15764383
I probably could have explained better, I don’t disagree that building more housing will make the city more affordable, i’m just saying that trendy neighborhoods are still going to get bought up and attract a very particular sort of development geared towards young transplants, and it’s a shame that people are uprooted. but yeah, nothing to be done about that - certainly no way to legislate that away. so i suppose the best thing to do is invest in building new housing all over the city

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:29:05 2020 No.15764928 >>15750322 Washington D.C. in the non ghetto areas.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:33:42 2020 No.15764936

>>15764560
Look, I know this is gonna read like I'm being a dumb troll but hear me out: when people talk about Bushwick getting gentrified, they're talking about people who call parts of Bushwick East Willaimsburg. As far as I can tell, East Williamsburg was a term that was generated by and/or used heavily by real estate agencies to advertise shoddily renovated apartment complexes to the professional media class that characterizes neighborhoods like Williamsburg. It's similar to the attempts that city officials (probably in conjunction with real estate agencies) made to rename the southern parts of Harlem "SoHa". The intention in that case is to shift the connotation from "black [scary] neighborhood" to something more akin to Soho, where there is coffee and shopping and whatever. So if you lived in "East Willy B" then I imagine you lived in the area that most people recognized as the gentrified Bushwick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:34:00 2020 No.15764938 >>15751966 I could feel the brotherly love emanating of a Dominican robbing me at knife point!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:38:51 2020 No.15764943 >>15752424 It's a shame, the cathedrals and piers are quite elegant. Too unsafe though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:43:05 2020 No.15764945 >>15752729 Phoenix literally shouldn't exist, Peggy Hill was right. Would be funny if something were too happen to the powergrid in July.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:48:52 2020 No.15764949

>>15763688
>this is new york after all
I had an old professor when I was still in college who said he loved cities like Philly cus they still had so much old architecture and so many old homes that you could feel the history of the city. He was a New York guy, born and raised, and loved New York and the parts of it that lasted, but laughed a little bit at the students who complained about gentrification as if it was some new phenomenon. It's just always been a part of the New York fabric, and with ugly consequences that seem to get uglier as this country decays.
>unfortunate that so many kids leave after a few years
but i also hate when people blame gentrification on 21 year olds who want to party and make new friends
Unfortunate is a good word for it, and I honestly think more of them would stay if it was possible to live in those neighborhoods after they were out of school and off their parents' financial teat. I mean, look at Williamsburg. Some of the early waves of kids who squatted the old warehouses and built them up are still there years later, with kids. They made the neighborhood into something, the ones who were able to stick it out (for whatever reason). Williamsburg was much less residential than Bushwick though, from what I understand, so the issue of gentrification was less significant. I could be wrong on that though.

>>15764023
>is more about a shortage of housing
Like >>15764267 I think it's more complex. There is limited space in New York. It can't expand without swallowing neighboring cities and then that becomes another political problem to solve. That's an issue Seattle has experienced by swallowing Ballard in the last decade or more.

>>15764792
> I'm glad I'm glad I won't have to move for a while because I think I'd straight up off myself if I had to look at another apartment with fucking cheap LEDs installed under a counter or in a shower-head as though that makes a space desirable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:49:59 2020 No.15764950 >>15764949 I don't know why I quoted myself on that last line but I'm drunk at this point so have mercy on me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:53:01 2020 No.15764954 https://youtu.be/Ke8TZj63F0Q

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 03:53:52 2020 No.15765006

>>15764745
Sure, but I get the impression that it's definitely easier in certain places than others.
I've heard a few people say that creative types in Montreal are able to fund their lifestyle by bussing tables 3 days a week, for example. Couldn't do that in London

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 04:07:35 2020 No.15765017 >>15751059 True

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 07:46:05 2020 No.15765248 File: 174 KB, 1228x678, bayreuth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15755370 >Bayreuth up and coming

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:02:54 2020 No.15765622

>>15750351
Everything about what you’re saying and your whole story makes me so happy I don’t live in New York. I‘m team New Orleans for life, the people are what make the city but the architecture is so different from any American city I’ve been in, the people are cool and chill honestly. NO is my favorite place I’ve ever lived honestly and when I came here I had really low expectations

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:09:32 2020 No.15765635

>>15764936
this is true but bushwick hype preceded the actual development, that’s why there are bars way the fuck out by that cemetery in highland park. sure the eastern half is gentrifying but it’s still an entirely different story than cypress hills, brownsville, and canarsie.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:11:27 2020 No.15765637

>>15764938
unironically, a dominican dude being in the position to rob you is a good indication of what i’m talking about. in a lot of cities in this country that couldn’t even happen because white people get in their cars and go home at the end of the day so it doesn’t matter where they work/where their friends live. at least here we have to actually deal with each other

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:19:00 2020 No.15765653

>>15764949
>It's just always been a part of the New York fabric, and with ugly consequences that seem to get uglier as this country decays.
precisely, that’s the bit i think some of these young social justice types are missing. and in a city like new york where development is constant and unrelenting (as it should be, really) the response has to be how to balance new development with maintaining neighborhood character/family roots.

> Williamsburg was much less residential than Bushwick though, from what I understand, so the issue of gentrification was less significant.
I think this is true - also bushwick has some of the nicer cheap housing stock in the city... those old railroad apartments are super charming. i also think that squatters in new york paved the way for kids who would have otherwise been a bit more nervous about living in a neighborhood that’s somewhat unproven in their eyes.

as for your final point, i couldn’t agree more. it really feels like there are no contractors/landlords with taste here sometimes. i’m moving in february and hoping to find something cheap, but also not looking forward to have some guy with greasy hair try and tell me how great a shoddy, cheap renovation is. “everything’s been completely redone and updated, very modern”

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:27:34 2020 No.15765667 File: 58 KB, 550x500, 1605894462358.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15763959

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:28:50 2020 No.15765670 >>15750322 >fa >city cmon son

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 12:33:21 2020 No.15765832

>>15765622
I've never been to New Orleans but I've wanted to go for a long time. A lot of my friends in New York say they love it down there, and it's only the ones who seem irrationally committed to New York who say "well, it's no NEW YORK"

>>15765635
That's a very fair point. I think Bushwick was, for a lot of people, Williamsburg 2.0. And there's a good precedent for that considering all the once-out-of-commission-industrial-buildings that would indicate historically that this is where the kids will be partying. I mean, the Covid party divide seems to be between rich people in Soho who gather in a penthouse and don't have neighbors in their building to piss off or find out, and then the younger, poorer kids gathering in Bushwick / Ridgewood warehouses and industrial lots.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 12:35:37 2020 No.15765836
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>>15764936
I’m the guy you replied to and I agree that East Williamsburg is a term invented by real estate agents.

Anyway I’m ultimately glad to see cities get “gentrified” and see new renovations/development/investment because in this country we neglected our cities for so long.
At the very least, just realize you’re making poltards furiously mad because they hate cities for some reason. Pic related.

Also NYC doesn’t have to swallow neighboring cities, it’s fucking huge and it’s already swallowed cities historically.
But I agree parts of Long Island and New Jersey need to upzone to combat the affordability issue. American zoning is completely retarded.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 12:40:32 2020 No.15765849

Btw I think the dumbest thing that happened in recent history was Brooklyn blocking the Industry City redevelopment because of “gentrification” fears. At a time when there’s a massive budget shortfall. Just shooting themselves in the fucking foot.
Meanwhile the same thing’s happening in Queens. At some point the city government needs to pull their head out of their asses and stop blocking everything nice.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 12:41:10 2020 No.15765851

>>15765653
February's the time to move. And during a pandemic I hope the rents are even cheaper than they usually are. Good luck on that one.

When I was looking at apartments years ago, I went to check out a Bushwick spot that was listed as a three bedroom for 2300, which me and my girlfriend could afford if another friend or two friends moved in with us. The apartment was literally a mid size studio loft with two DIY shacks that were being called "bedrooms" and the "third bedroom" was an opening under one of the shacks just large enough to store a twin sized mattress. I guess they were playing fast and loose with the "three bedroom" vocabulary and interpreting it as a "three bed room" apartment. I dunno how much of that bullshit is still happening but I assume it's less since those lofts appeal more to the DIY artist types and less to the tech-job types who now live in parts of Bushwick and to whom the LED crap might appeal more.

Good luck come February though. What neighborhoods do you plan on looking at?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 12:56:11 2020 No.15765876 >>15750333 New York seems like the kind of city that's only decent if you're wealthy. enough to afford a good neighborhood.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:00:03 2020 No.15765883

>>15765836
I'm not the one from your screencap but I am the guy who said
>East Williamsburg is a term invented by real estate agents.

Anyway, to your point
>I’m ultimately glad to see cities get “gentrified”
Look, don't get me wrong here, I'm not against gentrification, so to speak. I think it's a double edged sword, but I think the manner in which we upgrade our cities and let capital divorce working people from the communities they've made for themselves is more brutal than it needs to be. The gentrification thing comes in waves, and it's often that the people who make the neighborhoods "hip" get pushed out because they can't afford the rise in rents which correlate with the renovations they've made on their own apartments and the contributions they've made to their neighborhoods generally. In New York there's a lifescycle to these neighborhoods that seems to be Working class brown people - artists - hip friends of artists - tech bros- finance and party people. Then the bubble pops eventually and it gets run down and working brown people move in again. Something like that anyway.
See my comments here >>15764949 and in that conversation if you want to see where I stand.
>At the very least, just realize you’re making poltards furiously mad
If that's true, then I'm not concerned because their anger is with a caricature of me and not with my actual thoughts, opinions, ideas or actions. I'm not a fan of Democrats or Democrat policies, but I'm no Republican either. They're two sides of the same desctructuve Neoliberal economic policies as far as I'm concerned.

1/2

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:01:28 2020 No.15765888

>>15765849
industry city also had a shot at making use of wasted space (what a rare opportunity in new york) and, in fact, lightening the burden somewhat when it comes to neighborhood in the path of destruction of the concentrated, unrelenting eastern spread of hipsterdom

if development were more spread out in in the city it would be better, but this gets back to an earlier chain of responses (maybe with you) re: small town politics of bushwick, people craving community and a sense of belonging blah blah

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:04:06 2020 No.15765893

>>15765851
i’ve seen a few one bedrooms for 1600-1700 ish. my girlfriend and i could do max 1700, somewhat comfortably. going to try and end up in ridgewood, central/west harlem, maybe windsor terrace/south slope. also curious about cypress hills if we ended up in one of those pretty townhouses north of atlantic, but i’ve never had to rely on the J train so idk how feasible it is to regularly commute to lower manhattan... one things for sure tho, the city is definitely more affordable than when i was looking last year

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:05:33 2020 No.15765897 >>15765849 The AI overlords have decided that cities are not green so they are being deprecated in favor of a rural feudal system similar to that which arose in the middle ages after urban populations were decimated by the bubonic plague

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:13:45 2020 No.15765909

>>15765836
>>15765883
cont.
>>15765849
>Brooklyn blocking the Industry City redevelopment because of “gentrification” fears
I'm not as familiar with this story as I should be, but I will say that the way Industry City is now is much less exciting and interesting to me than it was years ago. More independent artisans and less corporate crap would make that area far more exciting for me. But that's a complex economic issue at its root

>the same thing’s happening in Queens
Again, I'm not overly familiar with the development in Queens at the moment, but I do remember the Amazon Headquarters debacle. I'm in favor of blocking Amazon in New York, but my perception is colored from what Amazon's development in Seattle accomplished. The wealth divide in Seattle is rather severe and the homelessness is far worse there than it was even when I lived there years and years ago. Part of Amazon's pitch was that their new LIC headquarters would offer a lot more jobs to New Yorkers, when historically Amazon has been entirely willing to let local populations flee as they replace all the locals with new Amazon populations. Now maybe LIC could have been different than Seattle, but at this point we will not know.
>stop blocking everything nice
The issue is that we can't be confident that these measures will produce desirable results for the people who live in Brooklyn. For a lot of people, preventing gentrification is considered the nice thing to do. Whether or not the brown Bodega owner who gets to upgrade his store and mark up his prices and make a better living for himself with a neighborhood full of wealthier people agrees with the white social justice warrior about gentrification being not too nice... well that's not often taken into consideration.

But I don't think the solution to these larger economic issues is as simple as tweaking the zoning laws.

2/2

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:21:36 2020 No.15765924 >>15763699 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlsjEP7L-k

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:34:00 2020 No.15765945

>>15765888
Checked.

>earlier chain of responses (maybe with you)
>>15765883 and >>15764949 are both me. If that clarifies anything.

>if development were more spread out in in the city it would be better
I was joking about the flatlands earlier, but the developers are working on plowing homes there too and replacing them with massive apartment buildings and condos there too. I think the development is relatively widespread. I think that the problem isn't about where is devloping, but how we're developing. A lot of these buildings that are being built are total garbage. They're the cheapest materials sold to the highest bidder, and apartments deteriorate within a year of use. It's also extraordinarily common for developers to promise a building with so many "affordable units" only to complete a project and go "whoops! Guess we made an oopsie and actually built a giant retail space below with only 4 luxury units which are only considered luxury because of the (to use an earlier complaint) LEDS in the shower.
I worry that even though the development is and can be more widespread, that these tactics and techniques developers use to build garbage in neighborhoods like Bushwick will and are being used in the less hip neighborhoods.

Ideally I'd like to see local councils working with different development companies to consider architecture designed by architects of their choosing who would design buildings based on the needs of those communities and their expected future needs / requirements. Hopefully the city government at large could help better fund this, put more architects to work, and wind up developing neighborhoods in ways that allow each of them to maintain a distinct style that locals can potentially have some degree of input in. It saddens me to see New York washed in an increasingly homogenous international developer style. Especially when the apartments only last a year before they become disgusting. "Tomorrow's ghettos," a coworker once called them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:37:45 2020 No.15765950 >>15764938 pics or it didn't happen

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:56:50 2020 No.15765990

>>15751137
as someone that grew up in upstate new york and visited the city a lot bc of friends and touring bands i always thought it was a nice place to visit but not for living. thats why i moved to seattle instead once i finished school i don't really want to move to NYC but if i want to be close to friends and family it feels like the last decent restort at this point. sucks desu :/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:02:35 2020 No.15766011 >>15753089 vermont is comfy as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:13:36 2020 No.15766037 I'm this close to moving back to the city. Found a cheap 1 bedroom in East Village. Fuck it, why not get a cheap lease while rents are low? I'm currently upstate, and it's pretty comfy, but I miss the city, the art. my friends.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:20:39 2020 No.15766189
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All American cities have experienced gentrification in the last 10 years and it’s been a great thing.
Why? Because the alternative to gentrification is urban sprawl, which is soulless and globalist. To restore American culture we need to restore the city centers.

It’s perhaps the most unpopular opinion but it’s correct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:27:54 2020 No.15766210 >>15764748 Taco bowls are delicious as are smoothies, sorry chang

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:34:24 2020 No.15766238 >>15763319 Seattle is /fa/ if you’re not a pussy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:29:27 2020 No.15766352 >>15766238 Seattle has been taken over by SDE nerds who have zero taste and a chip on their shoulder. It’s most definitely not /fa/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:32:17 2020 No.15766360 >>15766189 But gentrification fuels sprawl. Poorer denizens are pushed out of the city by higher rent and are forced into the suburbs.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:02:54 2020 No.15766442

>>15766360
Gentrification is the opposite of sprawl; building in the inner city vs building on the outskirts of town. And there’s no evidence that it “pushes people out” in America. What pushes people out is housing shortages driving up rent, and housing shortages are caused by idiots blocking new development because they’re scared of “gentrification”.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:22:44 2020 No.15766624

>>15766442
Even then, there’s a lot of other issues that these areas have that need to be solved before anything. The entire Rockaway Peninsula only has one hospital, one decent sized park, and lacks basic infrastructure, with no building plans for another hospital in sight. Instead, more housing, condos, hotels, and restaurants that not much people who live here can afford to eat at daily. The development taking place here caters to beachgoers and tourists more than residents, and I feel that can be said about much of the city’s development

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:25:29 2020 No.15766631 /fa/ cities: Berlin, New York, Paris, Montreal, Japan

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:28:45 2020 No.15766640 >>15763512 RIP Prosperity Dumping You gave me diarrhea many times, but I still kept eating there. Rat feces and cockroach legs may have been part of what made your 2 dollar dumpings so great, but you are missed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:30:50 2020 No.15766644 >>15760633 Houston on the comeup

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:31:15 2020 No.15766645 File: 1.10 MB, 700x933, nick crompton mao.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15766631 >Japan japan is my city

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:32:36 2020 No.15766650 >>15766645 Whoops meant tokyo lol i just woke up after binge drinking

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:36:25 2020 No.15766660 >>15766624 Right on. If it’s lacking infrastructure one way to get investment is by building luxury housing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:39:31 2020 No.15766671 >>15751070 >>15751061 >>15751058 someone redpill me on phoenix, thinking of moving there

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:50:39 2020 No.15766695

>>15766660
Implying the city needs more investment. The money used for all these condos and storefronts that were all used restaurants, could’ve been used to address actual needs. A lot of these areas have a good chunk of apartments filled with housing code violations. Issues like those need to be addressed first.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 19:26:57 2020 No.15766775

>>15752091
i mean what does this even mean? i went to all these places last summer, dalston still has alt "cool" guys and is honestly kinda nice, good nightlife blalbalallaal, shoredich is basically where every young londoner will have as an option to go to, its pretty "mainstream" for lack of a better term, same goes for camden. and peckham is like dalston.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 19:31:32 2020 No.15766781 >>15763974 artists can and do live in london, get 3-4 artists together and you can all live in a house working 5 days a week

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:44:07 2020 No.15767062

>>15760633
Chicago used to be one of the best cities for music in the 80’s (house music) and 90’s (industrial, indie rock, more house music) but the city government is pretty hostile to most of the venues that allow that stuff to thrive. We are one of the best food cities in the country but covid is closing a lot of the interesting restaurants. I’m just hoping the covid exodus is going to force commercial rents to drop so a new generation of restaurants/clubs/art spaces can open that aren’t yuppie trash

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:47:23 2020 No.15767071

>>15767062
ok, i’ll give you house music. and it’s unfortunate that the midwest exported incredible electronic music that’s caught on in major international metropolises, but today i don’t see much coming out of chicago that’s exciting. but correct me if i’m wrong, i’d love to learn more about the current scene

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:48:33 2020 No.15767076 >>15767071 meant to say unfortunate that it’s caught on and then had its midwestern roots obscured for popular consumption in the larger markets

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:54:57 2020 No.15767095 >>15752215 Philly is literally niggerville, pass

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:55:27 2020 No.15767098

>>15767076
The current scene is really fragmented.

There is only 1 good nightclub atm but a few underground spaces will operate for months at a time here and there to help keep the scene alive. The Europeans still love what little of our music makes it over there but shit is too insular and incestuous in chicago for anything to ever make an impact rn.

I’m hoping things get better once the vaccine hits and people start feeling comfortable going out. With less money for venues to book touring acts and air traveling being limited I think the local scene is gonna be interesting in the next couple years

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:04:11 2020 No.15767124

>>15767098
there's 0 house music coming out of chicago these days and if there is, it's old heads trying to relive their glory days. modern house music if of a completely different flavor now (it now comes in normie and artsy form now see: lofi hip hop and duke dumont). so shut the fuck up there is no "fragmented scene" in chicago. it's fragmented across the board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:17:34 2020 No.15767155 >>15767124 If you really think there isn’t any house music coming out of chicago rn you either don’t live here or don’t actually engage with the scene at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:34:12 2020 No.15767182 >>15767155 i’m literally telling you that i don’t live there and would like to learn more about the scene. based on what i’ve heard at clubs where i live, a lot of the house music from chicago and detroit that gets played is older stuff

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:42:02 2020 No.15767198
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>>15767124
>>15767155
>>15767182

Chicago/detroit/baltimore house died the moment "edm" became mainstream. You're only going to hear those sounds if you go to seedy fringe gay clubs but it's dead and never coming back

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:27:24 2020 No.15767280

>>15767155
oh yeah? name three house artist that were hot in the "chicago house scene" in 2019. go ahead i'll wait.

>in b4 you post some normie core trash

i live in chicago and live and breathe music you dip. i'd know for sure. stop speaking on things you don't know or understand.

>>15767198
this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:46:57 2020 No.15767314 >>15767280 Jamie 326 Garret David Ariel Zetina Hieroglyphic Being Traxx Justin Long Tevo Howard Eris Drew You probably haven’t been to many underground house/techno events have you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:48:14 2020 No.15767317 >>15767198 That music was born in seedy underground gay fringe clubs dumb dumb That’s where the real dance music culture comes from

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:03:42 2020 No.15767458 >>15767314 wow what a scene anon, a list of literally whos

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:19:17 2020 No.15767488 >>15767458 >thinking mainstream edm or business techno is culture Start going to Smartbar faggot

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:20:02 2020 No.15767489

>>15751137
This guy knows. Subcultures aren’t really a thing anymore when they can’t cultivate organically over time with the internet constantly pulling the veil back. Subcultures of decades past have been mined/distilled down to generic templates. (I’ll wear these glasses, get some Ghibli tattoos, stream anime & ‘voila!’ I’m a nerd. Maybe I’ll combo it with a grungy 90’s skater look & be both.”) Used to suck getting called “faggot” for liking niche (for the time) shit, but everything really does feel like a larp now. The age of the “weirdo” is over.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:43:54 2020 No.15767524 >>15765667 Would bet your left nut that trump has fucked a trannie by mistake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:46:23 2020 No.15767527 >>15766037 FUCK OFF

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:54:49 2020 No.15767537 someone please find me a music scene that doesn't center around techno and isn't austin

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:03:45 2020 No.15767541

>>15767489
>The age of the “weirdo” is over
not true. anybody who is actually "weird" in a fashion sense will eventually find a style that doesn't mesh with any trend. even ignoring that, you could wear an outfit that would be considered tame in one city, and be called weird for wearing it in a different city.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:04:56 2020 No.15767543 >>15767537 midwest emo revival, if you're into that

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:06:42 2020 No.15767548

>>15767541
>you could wear an outfit that would be considered tame in one city, and be called weird for wearing it in a different city.
only semi-true
most urban areas are just amalgams of subcultures who all ignore each other, even in suburban youth culture
there's no cultural conflict of fashion that exists (in america) beyond wearing a red hat or a facemask

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:09:04 2020 No.15767554 >>15767543 twitter people have been saying this is gonna happen for half a decade, no point in crossing halfway across the country if its just going to bust in the next five years

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>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:15:54 2020 No.15767563 >>15767537 newyork rap next

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:16:06 2020 No.15767564

>>15767548
>most urban areas are just amalgams of subcultures who all ignore each other, even in suburban youth culture
true
>there's no cultural conflict of fashion that exists (in america) beyond wearing a red hat or a facemask
maybe i'm misinterpreting your point here, because it seems to contradict your first point. but i was insulted by frat dudes once when i was wearing black jeans and a black hoodie. there are definitely different trends that exist and grow simultaneously, at odds with eachother.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:58:09 2020 No.15767620 >>15767458 >>15767488 if your artists were too popular he would have just called you a norman. There's no winning lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 03:02:39 2020 No.15767623 >>15755020 Tokyo < osaka you degenerate tourist

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 03:09:20 2020 No.15767625 >>15762137 >Heart of asian streetwear Oh so the fake Factory ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 03:22:24 2020 No.15767645 >>15767555 >ching chong Nah

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 03:34:27 2020 No.15767667 File: 207 KB, 1850x1000, 7OYk11vLbZ24TcBp1l4gY3b26a1gQp5EZVKMLrcHabyilByZ854130968121879363.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15750322 >not nampa, idaho

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 04:24:49 2020 No.15767726 >>15766650 fair enough lad, happens to the best of us

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 04:44:17 2020 No.15767740 File: 361 KB, 927x618, 075_chychy_260212_WEB[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It always has been, and always will be Paris

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 05:06:02 2020 No.15767765 >>15750322 >America >fashionable

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Anonymous Sun Dec 6 06:25:43 2020 No.15767855

>>15752496
grew up here. Perfect example of a town that exists due to the university, and whose aesthetic is simultaneously ruined by the university. Constant struggle to keep it from being reduced to a bunch of fast food restaurants and sports bars for the students and rednecks from the surrounding areas. The best time was always between semesters. Otherwise it's just zoomers making a lot of noise about football

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 10:21:57 2020 No.15768217

>>15767740
I feel like Paris has a lot of the same energy as certain parts of New York. One thing that struck me when I visited was how quiet it was. As an American I’m not sure I could live in such a well mannered place, I felt like I had to watch myself and make sure I didn’t speak too loud

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 11:07:19 2020 No.15768325 >>15767537 >and isn’t Austin Why settle for second place?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 11:17:34 2020 No.15768351 >>15752215 Philly is a dirty, bland shithole with the most irritable trashy people on earth. hard pass

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 11:20:34 2020 No.15768361 >>15767537 NYC jamband revival London Jazz Montréal Post Punk Philly Lofi

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:04:26 2020 No.15768627 >>15768361 >NYC jamband revival Can you elaborate on this please

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:07:09 2020 No.15768637 >>15750322 Tokyo, if you're talking about the fashion of the people, undisputedly New York or Paris for architecture and that depends more on taste

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:17:25 2020 No.15768663
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>>15767555
for a city of its size, with a history shorter than 150 years, it does have an effayness, a fashion sense. besides the boutiques that /fa/ would approve of (i.e. japanese menswear), the type of which you can find in any city, the people are superficial and care about how they look.

also
>Aritzia
>Arc'teryx
>lululemon
hates us cause u ain't us

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:18:54 2020 No.15768666 >>15765876 Just don’t be poor lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:37:09 2020 No.15768713 >>15750322 US: NYC Western Europe: London, Amsterdam, maybe Paris Central Europe: Berlin

>>	Funeral hotbox !WlIAZ6ilo. Sun Dec 6 13:45:58 2020 No.15768739 >>15768361 >>15768627 New jazz era Explain Montreal please, I know Calgary was good this time last decade

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:51:01 2020 No.15768751 >>15751070 No west-coast sprawl city can be /fa/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 13:56:56 2020 No.15768766 >>15766352 yeah, in the bubble you occupy it isn't. you sound like some transplant tech worker

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:16:50 2020 No.15768813

>>15768351
this, i lived there 9 years and it sucks. i lived in. south, north, and west philly... the city is a very provincial, hopeless, stupid and defeated place, overall. some pockets of creativity, but it's just. sparks of light in a sea of boredom and human mediocrity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:35:20 2020 No.15768846 >>15752729 >Phoenicians are comfy and cool in their modern air conditioned buildings. Phoenix is gonna go the way of towns CA and NV: always on fire.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:36:22 2020 No.15768849 >>15754982 Housing in Phoenix isn't even cheap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:37:56 2020 No.15768856 >>15758085 All the neighborhoods in LA are hood neighborhoods. The only escape is a shitty plastic enclave like Beverly Hills.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:41:16 2020 No.15768862 >>15760640 >art is a deeply important part of the soul of the city. Ninety-nine percent of all people do not give a shit about art. The true soul of any city is determined by its landlords and developers. If that's soulless, then cities are soulless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:43:51 2020 No.15768871 >>15763983 The LA subway is pristine because no one uses it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:45:47 2020 No.15768878 >>15764023 >and overall affordability will improve Except it won't until everything comes crashing down. If any apartments get built, they'll be rented out at the going market rate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 14:47:35 2020 No.15768886 >>15766238 Everything that was once cool about Seattle got bulldozed by Amazon.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 15:20:49 2020 No.15768960

>>15764949
>There is limited space in New York. It can't expand without swallowing neighboring cities
No offense but this a really fucking dense take.

Upzone the outer Burroughs and build up, not out. The burroughs of NYC arent really that dense and their zoning keeps them that way.
And another major problem is the city is trying to upzone those neighborhoods but NIMBYs block them from doing so. So the affordability problem gets worse.

https://ny.curbed.com/2020/1/13/21064039/bushwick-brooklyn-rezoning-de-blasio-affordable-housing

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 15:23:12 2020 No.15768967 >>15757685 Very nice.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 15:25:43 2020 No.15768971

Nashville is steadily becoming quite nice.
Yes it was sprawled out but there’s been shitloads of new development in the downtown through the last decade. Everywhere you look now there’s 3 new cranes. Incredible.
I think they also have a fashion scene going. They just need to get some LRT.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 15:53:27 2020 No.15769031 File: 11 KB, 200x261, unnamed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15768361 >Philly lofi

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 15:54:29 2020 No.15769035 >>15768971 How's the covid vibe out there?

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 16:09:51 2020 No.15769075

North America/Oceania:
>New York
>Boston
>San Francisco
>Vancouver
>Sydney

Europe/Med:
>London
>Paris
>Munich
>Amsterdam
>Vienna
>Milan
>Rome
>Stockholm
>Helsinki
>Tel Aviv

Asia:
>Hong Kong
>Singapore
>Tokyo
>Seoul
>Beijing
>Shanghai
>Taipei
>Shenzhen
>Macau
>Guangzhou

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 16:41:06 2020 No.15769141 >>15768971 Except all the music scene is being choked out and replaced with commercial bro-country

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 17:37:22 2020 No.15769266 File: 90 KB, 1024x681, Oslo-Opera-House-by-Thomas-Johannessen-Visit-Oslo-1024x681.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any thoughts on Norway? Moving there next year for the free education and awesome healthcare.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 17:45:12 2020 No.15769277 Any new yorkers in this thread - would you rather live in central harlem, ridgewood, or south park slope/windsor terrace?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 18:11:01 2020 No.15769336 >>15769277 Park slope all day, but that depends where I have to commute.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 18:25:37 2020 No.15769364

>>15769336
i’m working remotely a few days a week, hoping to find two days at a cafe or bar to supplement, hang out all over the city but decent commute to the lower east side would be cool.

i’m in harlem now and liking it a lot, so i am inclined to stay uptown... but i also feel so far from brooklyn

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 18:42:21 2020 No.15769402 >>15769141 Uh dude Nashville has always been the capital of commercial bro-country. It's where the big labels are headquartered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 18:52:18 2020 No.15769422 >>15757543 It’s got the best architecture of any city in the US and great food, music, parks, and museums. Lake Michigan is pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 19:37:21 2020 No.15769511 The answer is clearly Washington DC. Better than NYC and doesn't smell like rat piss

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:03:32 2020 No.15769562 >>15769511 what are the best neighborhoods in dc?

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:27:16 2020 No.15769617

>>15769562
Depends on what you want. I live in Spring Valley which is upper class young families. AU Park has younger cheaper demographic but still very white. You'll find some /fa/ spots there.Georgetown is very white girl /fa/ which is just Manhattan cont. Adams Morgan and Woodley Park are probably the best places to live in DC.

Anonymous Mon Dec 7 00:38:57 2020 No.15770065

>>15768960
No offense taken. I was speaking more in terms of long term development strategy. The world population is rising and if it continues to rise, New York WILL probably end up joining with other surrounding cities. I'm not pointing this out to say that I oppose zoning reconsideration.

But there are also problems with building up instead of out. The reason Manhattan was home to some of the earliest skyscrapers is because midtown manhattan rests on bedrock. The buildings on the southern tip of the island are dramatically smaller because they don't have a geological foundation that's nearly as sturdy. Of course as building materials and engineering techniques become more sophisticated, buildings can be made larger and less densely. I'm not familiar with the geological makeup of the surrounding boroughs, and what the building limitations might be from an engineering standpoint. I won't speak on the viability then of building up in those areas (I am neither an urban planner nor an architect or an engineer), but I would be interested in seeing how far up the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens could be built up and how many more people that could feasibly house. And whether or not that could occur practically and in a way that didn't just expand the number of expensive apartments.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-09/-build-more-housing-is-no-match-for-inequality#:~:text=Add%20more%20supply%2C%20and%20housing,economic%20growth%20in%20the%20process.&text=It%20mainly%20leads%20to%20building,end%20housing%20in%20desirable%20locations.%E2%80%9D

Anonymous Mon Dec 7 03:09:00 2020 No.15770297

>>15763398
Cities are cool. Sure everything is more expensive, but your earnings are slightly higher to offset that higher cost a bit. Plus there's always something to do in big cities, nightlife is much more interesting and people are a lot more open minded.

Last thing I'd want to do is live my life like a retiree in my 20s, in bumfuck nowhere just because of /pol/ memes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 7 03:12:42 2020 No.15770302 >>15750322 Best cities in UK?

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