/sprezzatura/ - Mediterranean and Menswear General

[Anonymous No.15740456]

This thread is for the well dressed man and those seeking to improve their dress by exploring colors, patterns, textures and other styles while appearing more mature, elegant and refined.
>What is “sprezzatura”?
Required viewing: https://youtu.be/_QG4lTMjWtY
Required reading: https://parisiangentleman.co.uk/2017/02/24/how-obsession-with-sprezzatura-can-kill-the-sprezzatura/
>Do I have to be European to wear this style?
Absolutely not. Anyone can wear this as long as they are confident and don’t care what people think. You should be dressing for yourself, not for others. Is this style more common in Italy and other Mediterranean countries? Absolutely. But you could wear this wherever you are.
>How is this different than Trad/Ivy/Prep?
Whereas the /TIP/ threads favor classic styles and tailoring, wider fits and more drape, Mediterranean and modern menswear favors slimmer cuts, tailored closer to the body to accentuate and flatter your body. Slim fit is allowed and in many cases encouraged.
>Where should I start?
Start with sport coats and mix and match with trousers. Experiment with colors and patterns. Don’t be afraid of color. This isn’t business style, where bland conformity is the norm. We want to be colorful, and experiment with fabrics. Wear linen, wool, cotton, anything you want.
>Where can I find good inspo to draw from?
https://www.instagram.com/giorgiogiangiulio/
https://www.instagram.com/davidgandy_official/
https://www.instagram.com/carlos_domord/
https://www.instagram.com/parisian_gentleman/
https://www.instagram.com/fadiblanc59/
https://www.instagram.com/fabioattanasio/
https://www.instagram.com/justusf_hansen/
https://www.instagram.com/jcl.84/
https://www.instagram.com/franz_1955/
https://www.instagram.com/danilocarnevale/
https://www.instagram.com/thewomaninatie/
https://www.instagram.com/sonyaglyn/

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[Anonymous No.15740478]

>>15740456
Forgot adding these links:

https://www.instagram.com/luca_rubinacci/
https://www.instagram.com/sartoria_peluso/
https://www.instagram.com/sartoria_a.caraceni/
https://www.instagram.com/sartoria_dalcuore/
https://www.instagram.com/cifonelli_official/

Someone else suggested them in the last thread

[Anonymous No.15740538]

>pocket square
>all that jewelry

Trying too much.

[Anonymous No.15740809]

>>15740456
Love the style. Great for when I was in Amalfi. Now its getting into winter you cant really dress like this as such due to the weather but im excited for next summer.

[Anonymous No.15740831]

>>15740538
Pocket squares is not trying too much.

[Anonymous No.15740833]

>>15740809
That's how I dress in Sweden. It's fine temperature wise.

[Anonymous No.15740963]

Should I wear a pocket square with a tweed jacket? On the fence about it due to the rustic origins of tweed.

[Anonymous No.15741211]

>>15740963
I do. But usually its some rougher material and not silk. I have a coarse linen square in a muted color I usually go with.

[Anonymous No.15741437]

>>15740538
agree on all the bracelets.

but there is nothing wrong with pocket squares

[Anonymous No.15741440]

What’s the closest thing to a female equivalent of sprezzatura?

[Anonymous No.15741453]

>>15740809
>>15740833
Wool jacket & pants, scarf, some kind of wool hat, maybe an additional sweater, overcoat.

[Anonymous No.15741456]

>>15740538
>smoking

[Anonymous No.15741484]

Spezzatura*

[Anonymous No.15741499]

I'm trying to get one good shirt that fits me well but I really need some help figuring out shirt sizing. How much larger than my body does a shirt need to be? For instance, I have a 31.5 inch waist, how wide should my shirt be at the waist? How much space do I need in the chest? I'm even more confused trying to make sense of the actual measurements of the shirts I own.

[Anonymous No.15741658]

>>15741499
A rough guideline is that an additional 3 inches is tight, 4 is normal, 5 and more is loose.

[Anonymous No.15741681]

>>15741658
Thank you, so it's generally acceptable to have excess fabric in the waist billow out?

[Anonymous No.15741737]

>>15741681
Yes, although it looks cleaner the less excess there is, of course. You can make them fit closer to your body by sewing darts in the back, or have an alterations tailor do it.

[Anonymous No.15741828]

Big fan of Pini Parma's pants. Just ordered another pair that will be here next week. For sub 200 pants, you can't really do better

[Anonymous No.15741831]

[Anonymous No.15741834]

[Anonymous No.15741838]

The most effay people are alwas the tailors themselves

[Anonymous No.15741840]

Post your dream /sprezz/ watch. Pic related is mine

[Anonymous No.15741848]

How do Italians and other Yurocucks cope with the fact that Asians do European menswear better than they do?

[Anonymous No.15741850]

>>15741440
Full sprezz but for women. It exists

[Anonymous No.15741855]

>>15741850

[Anonymous No.15741860]

>>15741850
>>15741855
Or just go full Queen Latizia core and mix European style with /trad/ style

[Anonymous No.15741865]

Asians are just so much better at it

[Anonymous No.15741869]

>>15741848
Why would we care? We appreciate it for what it is

[Anonymous No.15741883]

>>15741869
You sure seem to wretch and seethe whenever Americans or Canadians post in these threads

[Anonymous No.15741887]

>>15741737
One more question, is it important that a shirts shoulder seams are the same width as my shoulders or can the seams be a bit smaller?

[Anonymous No.15741895]

>>15741883
I doubt any European does. Seems to mostly be other US trolls.

[Anonymous No.15741938]

>>15741850
just looks like a dirty slag desu, where is the effortless elegance?

[Anonymous No.15742012]

>>15741828
Post fit

[Anonymous No.15742145]

>>15740598
Ghurka pants. Or just high waisted pants with side adjusters.
They're basically all I wear anymore.

[Anonymous No.15742198]

This is what I'm going for. Dress pants, high waisted of course, shirt with the top buttons undone, and some loafers. Looks nice and put together, but done casually, so no one thinks you're dressing up.
I try and do this and sometimes I just think I'm too young for it. I'm 30 but look 20.

[Anonymous No.15742206]

>>15742198
Or something like this, replacing the shirt with a polo. I still like to wear a sport coat when it fits

[Anonymous No.15742247]

>>15742206

What is the name for this type of high waisted pant? Seems to have a sort of tightening clasp and doesn’t need a belt

[Anonymous No.15742254]

>>15742247
I answered you here my dude>>15742145
Look up gurkha trousers, or just high waisted pants with front fasteners and side adjusters.
Collaro, Luxire, Yeossal, Pini Parma, etc. all do that style for a pretty decent price. 200 USD is typically how much they cost, just covert that into your currency to get an idea.

[Anonymous No.15742255]

>>15742254
Some more examples to get inspo from

[Anonymous No.15742257]

>>15742255

[Anonymous No.15742261]

>>15742257

[Anonymous No.15742263]

>>15742254
You rock my manskerino.

[Anonymous No.15742328]

>>15741887
Shoulders are the most important point when it comes to fit. Get them exactly aligned with your own. Pretty much everything else can be easily tailored.

[Anonymous No.15742342]

>>15742328
Pretty much everything can be altered by a good tailor, assuming there is enough excess material. But changing shoulders basically requires you to take the item apart and rebuild it, which is simply too much work when you can just get the right size in the first place

[Anonymous No.15742355]

Once you go high waisted you will NEVER be able or even want to go back

[Anonymous No.15742379]

sprez is just adult prep

[Anonymous No.15742381]

>>15742379
I don't get it. What is prep meant for then?

[Anonymous No.15742390]

>>15742379
Stop, the two styles are different

[Anonymous No.15742452]

>>15742381
prep is youth while aiming for bizcaz
sprez is bizcaz while aiming for youth

[Anonymous No.15742490]

>>15742452
This post is so fucking retarded I'm not even going to type up why, I'm just going to hide it

[Anonymous No.15742656]

>>15742342
Thank you for being patient with my retardation. You saved me from making a purchase that probably wouldn't have worked out.

[Anonymous No.15742683]

>>15741848

do they tho? i've never been to asia but my impresion is they are heavy into streetwear

[Anonymous No.15742690]

>>15742656
Yeah my man, with shoulders, that's like the one thing you absolutely want to get right the first time.

[Anonymous No.15742694]

>>15742683
Maybe the teenagers. Average guy past college age will dress well.

[Anonymous No.15742699]

>>15742683
Oh yeah, Asia has a big menswear scene. Hong Kong especially, but Singapore and Japan have big scenes too. Even places like Thailand do.
Streetwear is literally for young people. Once someone is 25 they'll look back and cringe at that shit.

[Anonymous No.15742700]

>>15742699

[Anonymous No.15742758]

Tfw

[Anonymous No.15742808]

>>15742758
Trump is peak sprezz because he's so effortless. You know he puts no effort into those great fits of his

[Anonymous No.15742828]

>>15742808
That jacket doesn't fit at all.

[Anonymous No.15742831]

>>15742683
streetwear is mainly what youngsters, who are more visible due to media, wear

menswear reigns supreme

[Anonymous No.15742918]

>>15742831
There's a reason it's called "menswear". It's what actual men wear.

[Anonymous No.15743055]

>>15742918
let me follow up your old punny observation with another tired pun
men swear lol I’m so funny love me

[Anonymous No.15743575]

>>15742758
american politicians have 0 sprezz
although trump had some in his earlier years

[Anonymous No.15743650]

>>15740456
>This isn’t business style
I wish I knew where to get good info on business style. Most people wear garbage clothes, the same applies to this board. I think business style is underexplored and has a lot of potential.

Basically menswear that is simple and elegant and looks business like but not bland. Unfortunately it's a pain to find good stuff when you're a /fit/izen because everything is either slim or obese fit these days.
>pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.15743658]

>>15743650
By business style, it's meant like the disgusting off the rack charcoal suits that don't fit that everyone in banking or business wears. That uniform of conformity and lack of awareness of style.
I work in finance and hate seeing all the boomers in gigantic suits that don't fit with stacking on the trousers and collar gap.
Wearing suits doesn't mean looking like an office drone.

[Anonymous No.15743677]

>>15743658
You are on point.

What do you wear at work? Casual "business style" is difficult but not as difficult as something elegant that you can actually wear at work.

[Anonymous No.15743745]

>>15743677
I'm not important enough to wear a suit, so I have some freedom to dress how I want.
Typically, I'll wear some high waisted trousers and a shirt tucked into it. Shoes are loafers typically, but occasionally oxfords. If it's colder I'll wear a sport coat but usually I don't as it's always hot in the building
What I've discovered with business casual is that it doesn't matter what you wear as long as 1. You tuck in your shirt, 2. Your shirt has a collar, and 3. You are wearing leather shoes.
Following those rules you can wear stripes, checks, solid collars, button downs, spread collars, etc. Lots of ways to mix it up. Pants can be high waisted with side adjusters, or a belt. You can wear cotton or wool or even linen depending. You have loads of colors and patterns to choose from to get creative

[Anonymous No.15743898]

So is the sprezz consensus anti belt?

[Anonymous No.15743967]

>>15742808
>sprezzatura
>looks like shit
gee i guess an effortless hobo is sprezz too

[Anonymous No.15743970]

>>15743898
In general, yeah. I hate belts and don't wear them as all my trousers and suit pants have side adjusters

[Anonymous No.15744403]

>>15743650
>Unfortunately it's a pain to find good stuff when you're a /fit/izen
MTM and bespoke. Costs more, wears better, lasts longer

[Anonymous No.15744795]

Pini Parma cotton trousers arrived today. They come with an unfinished hem so I'm trying to decide on a cuff or not

[Anonymous No.15744801]

You guys are such fucking losers. What exactly is sprezzatura about meticulously documenting the clothes you've bought, and the clothes you're wearing, on an imageboard? Just fucking buy the clothes and wear them. If you had any taste, you wouldn't be here still.

[Anonymous No.15744806]

>>15744801
based, FUCK SPREZZ AUTISTS

[Anonymous No.15744810]

>>15744801
Wow, because of your very original and fresh post that we surely haven't seen a million times by now, I'm definitely going to do what you said.
Thanks anon, you have changed my life

[Anonymous No.15744812]

>people are STILL intimidated by people dressing nice
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15744958]

>>15744810
Good
>>15744812
Shut up

[Anonymous No.15744978]

>>15744958
Filtered

[Anonymous No.15745218]

>>15743898
Belts say one thing: my pants do not stay up on their own. They're inherently a signal that you have no idea what you're doing.

The only case where they make any sense at all is if you have ULTRA-CASUAL obviously non-tailored items like shorts.

[Anonymous No.15745327]

Good morning. Busy moving to a new place, so lots of stuff packed. Improvised a mask as a pocket square.

[Anonymous No.15745417]

>>15744801
Imagine posting this while obviously browsing /fa/

[Anonymous No.15745419]

>>15745327
>mask as a pocket square
I thought I was the only one doing this.

[Anonymous No.15745424]

>>15745417
>tu quoque fallacy

lol

[Anonymous No.15745457]

>>15745419
Nope, third one doing this. Especially the folded masks from cloth already look like a pocket square anyway.

[Anonymous No.15745465]

>>15745419
>>15745457
I keep my spare there. Don’t me you’re storing used masks in that pocket?

[Anonymous No.15745539]

>>15745465
>wearing a mask

[Anonymous No.15745543]

>>15745465
No, used mask goes in the back pocket of my trousers.

[Anonymous No.15745556]

>>15741848
One day they are gonna make something without copying it first

[Anonymous No.15745565]

>>15745556
what about paper money and fireworks?

[Anonymous No.15745621]

Started my next project, a jacket that goes with my trousers.

[Anonymous No.15745624]

>>15744801
it has to look effortless, not actually be effortless, retard

[Anonymous No.15745630]

>>15745621
Based tailoring anon.

[Anonymous No.15745708]

>>15745621
Cool! What's the cloth?

[Anonymous No.15745714]

>>15745708

it's actually sugar paper

[Anonymous No.15745736]

Let's see who has better taste /tip/ or /sprezzatura/. What fragrances do you use anons?

[Anonymous No.15745752]

Lads where to buy Ghurka pants in Europe?

[Anonymous No.15745754]

>>15745736

i got 5 bottles, old dior homme, dior homme intense, frederic malle french lover, chanel no 19, hermes orange vert

[Anonymous No.15745791]

>>15745736
Blamage, Black Afgano, Stercus

[Anonymous No.15745849]

>>15745708
It's a cotton twill

[Anonymous No.15746048]

Where to get Ghurka pants in europe?

[Anonymous No.15746061]

>>15744795
Cuffs are pretty much a must if they’re pleated pants, the only exception is if you’re a manlet and want to appear taller then don’t cuff

[Anonymous No.15746177]

>>15746061
You do realise you're full of bullshit?!

[Anonymous No.15746306]

What should I look for in /sprez/ bracelets and necklaces?

[Anonymous No.15746327]

>>15746306
Whatever you like

[Anonymous No.15746482]

>>15745327
Pretty good

[Anonymous No.15746578]

So I've been doing a lot of research on Pinterest and other clothing sites. The reason some sport coats look Chad and others look virgin seems to be shoulders and texture.

Can anyone recommend brands with unpadded shoulders? I'm really unfashionable at the moment and I'd like to look dapper at 26

[Anonymous No.15746582]

>>15746578
>dapper
i recommend you kill yourself and stop reading shit like gentleman's gazette. Preferably in that order too

[Anonymous No.15746586]

>>15745736
only things from those tiny testers you get at the shop

[Anonymous No.15746599]

>>15745218
>signal that you have no idea what you're doing
that sure sounds like some theorist faggotry

[Anonymous No.15746648]

>>15745218
Can't the exact same thing be said of side adjusters?
Besides, it's not irregular for one's waist to fluctuate in size. How are belts unwarranted if this is the case? I think that a much more convincing argument against belts is an aesthetic one, but at the same time there still can be nice belts that are pulled off well.

[Anonymous No.15746851]

>>15746578
Look up anything neapolitan style. They do very light and mostly unstructured jackets. No padding in the shoulders

[Anonymous No.15747005]

>>15746578
Suitsupply's Havana fit, Spier&Mackay, Poszetka, Boglioli, L.B.M., Lardini, Pini Parma, Ring Jacket, Cavour
Pretty much all RTW sportcoats are soft shouldered kek

[Anonymous No.15747014]

>>15740456
More like /fag/

[Anonymous No.15747524]

>>15745218
Suspenders, side adjustors, ghurka closures and buttons say the same thing

[Anonymous No.15747525]

>>15745327
You missed a button on your sleeve. Why was it unbuttoned in the first place?

[Anonymous No.15747886]

>>15747525
Oops

[Anonymous No.15747890]

>>15747525
Fucking noob

[Anonymous No.15747975]

>>15747886
Did your buttons fall off every single jacket? Why don't you get them fixed? If not why would you ever unbutton a sleeve? What purpose does that serve?

[Anonymous No.15747976]

>>15747890
Not the guy who asked, but signalling working button holes to others is overrated

[Anonymous No.15748013]

>>15747975
If you have to ask then you'll never know

[Anonymous No.15748038]

>>15748013
Sounds like you don't have an answer.
Do you leave your fly unzipped as well?

[Anonymous No.15748102]

>>15747976
I once read that a British Gentleman has working button holes, but decides to leave them closed anyway. I‘d say having them open is a sign of sprezz then.

[Anonymous No.15748114]

This is my today fit. I always find it hard to go sprezza in winter, and I fear I lean too much into tip.

[Anonymous No.15748153]

>>15748114
Sew buttonholes into your coat then leave them open

[Anonymous No.15748174]

>>15748153
On the cuffs? I don't know it's a peacoat i don't think it would make sense

[Anonymous No.15748224]

>>15748114
T h i c c (the coat)

[Anonymous No.15748334]

>>15748102
>sprezz = opposite of British Gentleman
got it

[Anonymous No.15748421]

Can a shirt jacket be sprezz?

[Anonymous No.15748446]

I know this may not be the best place for asking, and what i'm asking is autistic, but could someone pull off a necktie over a mandarin collar if it stays put or it would be too much autistic?

[Anonymous No.15748479]

>>15748334
I mean it is in many ways, isn‘t it? The ultimate ideals for a British Gentleman in terms of dressing are conformity and understatement. Italian tailoring, and therefore what most people today would deem sprezzatura, is about individuality and showing off. I‘d say those are pretty polar opposites.

[Anonymous No.15748500]

>>15748479
British tailoring
>never button bottom button of jacket
>keep clothes clean
>button top button when wearing a tie
>no high-waters or full breaks
>jacket sleeves should show a small amount of cuff
>no sneakers with suits
>zip your fly
Show off your individuality by doing the opposite of the above.
Or show off your individuality by unbuttoning your cuff, no one has ever done that before and you certainly did not come up with that idea by witnessing others doing it first.

[Anonymous No.15748556]

>>15748446
I think the collar band AND the tie visibly going around your neck would look odd

[Anonymous No.15748681]

Can I get a quick rundown on flannel sportcoats?

[Anonymous No.15748711]

>>15748681
I don't get the question

[Anonymous No.15748721]

>>15748174
On the cuffs, but that was a joke

[Anonymous No.15748768]

>>15748711
I'm not sure whether they look sporty enough to be worn as a sportcoat. Some of them look too suit-like to me.

[Anonymous No.15748780]

>>15748768
I'd say they are casual enough, but in case you have a specific item in mind already you could post a pic of it.

[Anonymous No.15748802]

>>15748768
That will depend on the pattern but so long as there is some variance with your trousers they are fine for colder months. A good flannel jacket is one of the most comfy things you can wear, like being wrapped in a thick blanket.

[Anonymous No.15749008]

Any decent pair of stitched desert boots for under £100?

[Anonymous No.15749087]

where can i buy a good silk scarf besides Drakes?

[Anonymous No.15749199]

>>15749087
Vintage. Found some wonderful silk options that way.

[Anonymous No.15749311]

>>15748446
Jesus, just don't attempt to do that

[Anonymous No.15749427]

>>15741831
What pants to pair with this?

[Anonymous No.15749969]

I don’t know how this „bulge“ below the neck was created please ignore it

[Anonymous No.15750554]

>>15749969
Bad posture created the bulge
Fit looks pretty good otherwise. Sleeves might be a tad too long

[Anonymous No.15750649]

>>15745327
Like the loafers but the rest is try hard peacocks

[Anonymous No.15750661]

>>15742145
>>15742247
>>15742254
>>15742255
>>15742257
>>15742261
>>15742355
H I g h
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[Anonymous No.15750670]

>>15741840
Tbh I want a nomos tetra. It's not my grail but still too much to justify now. I also still dress like a bum half the time

[Anonymous No.15750777]

>>15750670
Great taste anon.

[Anonymous No.15751145]

>>15748500
Why do you hate working buttons so much, are you too poor to afford them or what?

[Anonymous No.15751174]

>>15751145
Working buttons are fine, but there is no purpose behind it other than "look, I belong to the secret club of people who want to show other people that at least one button on my cuff works, but the wouldn't get it, because they are not part of our secret club. How awesome is that?!"

[Anonymous No.15751265]

>>15749969
Great loafers and jacket fabric. Sizing looks totally off though. Armholes are gigantic and buttoning point is super high. Sleeves too long.

These are practical rather than stylistic criticisms. Getting them sorted would give a ton more comfort. Aside from them it's aesthetically a solid 8/10 fit.

[Anonymous No.15751278]

>>15751145
Who said anything about hate?
It would be pretty tough to be too poor to afford them considering they are almost ubiquitous now. Every chinkmade suit from SuitSupply has them. Note the feminine manner of speech in accusing others of poverty.
What is the point of leaving your cuff unbuttoned? It no longer signals a quality suit, as even poor quality jackets have them. It serves no functional purpose. It serves no aesthetic purpose - suits are designed to have clean lines at the ends of the limbs, not the top-half equivalent of boot cut. It is not original or expressive of individuality because so many people do it in imitation of others. You did not spontaneously decide to leave a cuff open - you saw other people doing it who saw other people doing it, and imitated them.
As >>15751174 says the entire point of leaving a cuff unbuttoned is to signal to other like-minded people, essentially peacocking, no different than Mystery with his chains and hats except he sought to attract women, you seek to attract the attention of other men.
Leaving a cuff unbuttoned is the menswear equivalent of rappers with bejeweled grills. Attention and approval seeking from others in one's peer group.

[Anonymous No.15751282]

Opinion on this safari jacket?
It's linen.

[Anonymous No.15751294]

>>15751282
Idk, looks cheap

[Anonymous No.15751408]

>>15751282
ecru kinda sucks ass as a colour, but it looks good otherwise

[Anonymous No.15751409]

>>15751278
based

[Anonymous No.15751412]

Why do you assholes get so butthurt at people wearing hoodies?

[Anonymous No.15751414]

>>15751278
but everything that everyone does is signalling in hopes of attracting like-minded people. you’re being awfully dismissive of anon and are devaluing their preferences which have no direct impact to you.

[Anonymous No.15751415]

>>15751412
what are you doing on a fashion board if you have to ask shit like this?

[Anonymous No.15751418]

>>15751414
there is signalling and there's being an obvious unoriginal twat. Having your cuff unbuttoned is the least unique "unique" thing possible. That shit is on par with pizza socks and ironic t-shirts

[Anonymous No.15751419]

>>15751412
Is >>15751348 your fit?

[Anonymous No.15751420]

>>15751414
>everything that everyone does is signalling in hopes of attracting like-minded people
That you would say this and presumably believe it is sad, very sad. Perhaps you should read more and think about why you live the way you do.
Feel free to explain how reading is signalling as you presume it to be.

[Anonymous No.15751431]

>>15751420
Perhaps I should have been more clear. All that you do which you display to the world to be seen is signalling. What you do in private, because it isn’t communicated to others, isn’t signalling. If you were to read a book in public and make a big deal of it, you’d be signalling whatever cultural meanings “reading a book in public” carries. Of course, how people interpret your public display will vary.

[Anonymous No.15751433]

>>15751418
Though you make a personal value judgement in calling it “unoriginal...least unique...” it’s signallig all the same. I do agree that people who go for it tend to, in my limited experience, be twats.

[Anonymous No.15751440]

>>15751433
very intelligent observation that people dress for others. All of fashion is signalling then

[Anonymous No.15751445]

>>15751431
>All that you do which you display to the world to be seen is signalling
but what you said is
>signalling in hopes of attracting like-minded people.
If I read a book in the park, am I seeking to attract other book readers or do I just want to be in the sun? Your original like-minded statement is absolutely false and unreasonably infers intentions.
>All that you do which you display to the world to be seen is signalling
This could be true, but what do you mean by signalling? Isn't there both intentional and unintentional signalling? A stain on your shirt is signalling but if you aren't aware of it can you really be said to have signalled for a purpose?
More to the point - what does unbuttoning a cuff signal? To whom? What is the intention behind it? It very well may be accidental but then why was it unbuttoned in the first place? Who unbuttons cuffs nowadays, certainly not surgeons.

[Anonymous No.15751455]

>>15740831
>>15741211
>>15742145
>>15742699
>>15743970
>>15744801
>>15745327
>>15745424
>>15751414
>>15751418
>>15751431
>>15751433
based

[Anonymous No.15751464]

>>15751445
The talkative anon took the symbolic interactionist pill. We live in a constructed symbolic world of our own making. Language, text, music, clothes, stains; they all signal, regardless of intention, culturally variable meanings and are interpreted with the same variability.

[Anonymous No.15751474]

>>15751464
Lol never could swallowbthe complex interplay of interpreting and signalling as basic supposition to explain societal structure. It’s good microlevel shit for understanding the eye to eye perspective which I tend to enjoy more in fiction but I’m more of a cliché post-modern functionalist.

[Anonymous No.15751478]

>>15751414
>>15751418
>>15751431
>>15751433
>>15751464
>>15751474
Ma’am this is Wendy’s. As based as you all are, take your education away from here. You make me feel insecure over my idiocy for filling my head with fashion knowledge and not practical life skills or logical thinking and philosophical inquiries

[Anonymous No.15751494]

>>15751464
So what does an unbuttoned cuff signal?
Intentionality.
There is no reason for a cuff to be unbuttoned. Doing so is an intentional, deliberate act. This flies in the face of any claims to 'casual, effortless elegance'.
Can anyone tell me the difference between a menswear homo opening a cuff and Lil' Nog MC getting a diamond encrusted grill? Everyone outside of their circles looks at them with surprise, disgust or contempt. Both are ostentatious displays to flaunt wealth, whether real or not. Both are ways to say 'look at me, fellow fellows'. Both are New Money, flashy, gaudy ways of grabbing attention.

[Anonymous No.15751506]

>>15751494
As much as I agree with all you’ve said, my inner professor compels me to tell you that whatever meaning you derive from the intentional act of unbuttoning is wholly the consequence of a complex interaction between your and others’ appraisal of the world’s symbols, resulting in a personal and ”unique” stance shaped by your biography, cultural and temporal situation, and other increasingly relevant sprezz terms.

[Anonymous No.15751544]

NIGGA NOBODY NOTICES THE CUFF BUTTONS.

If you did notice I’d probably be friends with you for being a sartorial cool dude.

[Anonymous No.15751551]

What type of overcoats do you like?
Trying to figure out a style i like while looking more casual since people ask me if I'm a Mormon

[Anonymous No.15751554]

>>15751408
They had the green version but it's sold out

[Anonymous No.15751578]

>>15751506
>everything is subjective
>nothing means anything
Thank you Professor PoMo. I see you like Derrida.
I challenge you or anyone else ITT to give a better description of what unbuttoned cuffs signals.

[Anonymous No.15751599]

>>15751578

>unbuttoned cuff
I work with my hands.

[Anonymous No.15751603]

>>15751578
>unbuttoned cuff
sexy señoritas will smell the tiege henley?hanley?

[Anonymous No.15751606]

>>15751578
>unbuttoned cuff
please notice my uncontrived and unintentional unbuttoned cuff because I am in the know if you didn’t know I am privy to a world of men with a discriminating taste in clothes

[Anonymous No.15751608]

>>15751599
Then the jacket comes off

[Anonymous No.15751610]

>>15751578
>unbuttoned cuff
oh, so you noticed it? no, it’s not a fashion statement. It’s about manly practicality. Let’s me wash my hands without getting the sleeves wet, change a tire on the road, among other mAnly things

[Anonymous No.15751614]

>>15751610
This post is proof you have never changed a tire and most likely almost never wash your hands

[Anonymous No.15751665]

>>15751610
people who genuinely do those things just pull the sleeves up because they dont give a shit, unbuttoning the cuff is just being a pretentious faggot

[Anonymous No.15751669]

>>15751599
you either:
- work inside and your jacket should be off
- work outside and shouldn't be wearing a blazer

[Anonymous No.15751756]

>>15751554
Looks too military imo

[Anonymous No.15751780]

>>15751554
looks lovely

[Anonymous No.15751797]

>>15751780
It's Eduardo de Simone (neapolitan tailor)
His stuff looks solid. I love his polo coats.

[Anonymous No.15751928]

My Dockers unironically fit great, despite being boomer pants, just need a bit higher a rise.
Anyone have any experience with Luxire cloning a pair of pants and making tweaks to them? I want to take these boomer Dockers and make the waist higher and add cuffs to the bottom

[Anonymous No.15751984]

>>15751494
Do you not understand the difference between subtlety and ostentation?

[Anonymous No.15752045]

>>15751494
Every fucking thread you throw the same tantrum about cuff and every fucking thread you just get told to blow it out your ass and every fucking thread it just makes you more mad.
Holy shit dude, just get over it

[Anonymous No.15752130]

>>15742247
w2c shirt in this pic?`

looks comfy as hell

[Anonymous No.15752154]

>>15752130
That dude is the creative director of Puroego, a Spanish menswear brand, so probably check out their website. He might be wearing something from there

[Anonymous No.15752170]

>>15752154
I might just be blind, but I can't find it on their site

Thanks for the help though, anon

[Anonymous No.15752186]

Everytime I try to dress sprezz some asshole outside always shouts at me to "just wear a hoodie!". How do I cope /sprezz/?

[Anonymous No.15752206]

>>15752186
By telling him to "cope"

[Anonymous No.15752211]

>>15752186
Tell him "seethe" and he'll do just that

[Anonymous No.15752229]

>>15742247
Side adjusters - the front is just a very extended tab
drop93 has a lot of trousers with extended tabs & no belt loops if you want to check that out. you can use it just to look at different brands, even used the stuff is kind of expensive but they have black friday sale going on now

[Anonymous No.15752257]

>>15752186
This is in Florence, correct?

[Anonymous No.15752355]

>>15752045
Every thread? This is the first time here, once in another thread that wasn't the general. Exaggeration does not suit you.
'Every' thread, i.e. the two it has been brought up in, you have accused me of raging and being angry while posting in quite a hostile manner yourself. My posts are up there for all to see. i have laid out my position quite clearly and as logically and coolly as possible. Let's see how you replied
>fucking
>fucking
>blow it out your ass
>fucking
>Holy shit
>get over it
Who is mad here again?
Furthermore, as I recall the one other time I posted in a thread about this you claimed that a working cuff is the sign of a quality suit. That is false. Every SuitSupply suit comes with working cuffs, half the brands coming from China have them, even H&M probably has jackets with them. You were wrong then and still wrong now.
inb4 'let it go' and 'no one cares'. You care, which is why you replied to me the last time and this time as well.
Go button your cuffs

[Anonymous No.15752479]

>>15752355
Holy shit dude shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.15752672]

>>15752130
>>15752170
I checked his entire instagram for that pic because he's usually really good about tagging brands, but I didn't see that pic. Sorry

[Anonymous No.15752882]

Fellas, what are some versatile leather shoes? Buying my first pairs this week

[Anonymous No.15753104]

>>15742247
John Travolta
Stayin Alive core
circa 1975

[Anonymous No.15753140]

>>15752882
What are you looking for? Loafers, oxfords, derbies?

[Anonymous No.15753475]

>>15752479
Nah
Reminder that you, in imitation of others, unbutton your cuffs solely to flaunt the quality of your suit even though working cuffs are not a sign of quality. Neither you nor anyone else can give a good, sound reason for doing so because admitting that you do it in a vain attempt to brag about your clothing to other men is too embarrassing.
Inevitably you will rage at this post and simultaneously accuse me of being mad.

[Anonymous No.15753538]

>>15753475
>proceeds to write more shit no one will read because he's fuming mad
Tl:dr

[Anonymous No.15753543]

>>15753475
TL;DR
>justifies his wearing of unfunctional buttoned cuffs and seethes at those able to unbutton

[Anonymous No.15753544]

>>15753538
>Inevitably you will rage at this post and simultaneously accuse me of being mad.
Thank you for admitting I am right

[Anonymous No.15753549]

>>15753543
Unbuttoned cuffs = SuitSupply

[Anonymous No.15753578]

>>15753549
SuitSupply = Quality EXPENSIVE Suit

[Anonymous No.15753587]

>>15753578
Quality EXPENSIVE Suit =/= Good Taste

[Anonymous No.15753590]

I'm Italian and I don't think OP (or the other people posting ITT) knows what "spezzatura" really mean.

[Anonymous No.15753595]

>>15753590
Who fucking cares, you ostentatious peacocksuckers.

[Anonymous No.15753602]

>>15753595
>ostentatious peacocksuckers.

Again, you think that because you don't know what "sprezzatura" means, you U.S. suburban mall-brand shopper.

[Anonymous No.15753606]

>>15753602
Way to follow up an obvious ad hominem with a logically unsound conclusion.

[Anonymous No.15753613]

>>15753606
I'm saying that sprezzatura shouldn't actually be ostentatious, you illiterate fool.

[Anonymous No.15753617]

>>15750777
Thanks. Nice watch, the Orion looks great.

[Anonymous No.15753620]

>>15753613
Ouch, anon is calling everyone names, not realizing that they are entirely different people lmao

[Anonymous No.15753630]

>>15753613
Do you not realize that “casually” wearing out suits is in fact ostentatious? You really have a warped perspective as to what looks normal or not in real life. Have fun living in contrived clothes picture books and fake photo shoots.

[Anonymous No.15753682]

>>15753544
Didn't read. But you'll reply to me again anyway

[Anonymous No.15753686]

>>15753590
No one cares

[Anonymous No.15753689]

>>15753630
Tbh I don’t know why other sprezzers don’t realise this. It’s fine to be sprezz, but to think that you embody casual elegance in those outfits is just delusional.

[Anonymous No.15753706]

>>15753630
>>15753689
preach it baby!

[Anonymous No.15753765]

>>15753590
Cool, will you tell us?

[Anonymous No.15753800]

>>15753543
Where exactly did he do that? Me for example, I hate unfunctional button cuffs, but I still button all of my working cuffs.

[Anonymous No.15753847]

I just can't bring myself to wear full suits, and I don't like sport jackets with any sort of structure to them. I am all about casual elegance and comfort. I try to look nice and elegant but without going over the top.
Anyway, do we like safari jackets? They look nice with some high waisted trousers and a shirt, but not as spergy as a sport coat in the wrong setting. Collaro does MTM and I can pick material, color, pocket style, etc, all for around 250USD.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.15753863]

>>15753847
perfect for a safari in the maghreb!

[Anonymous No.15753895]

>>15753682
You did, and I will
Button your cuffs

[Anonymous No.15753898]

>>15753847
MTM for 250 is cheap, suspiciously cheap. Make sure you know what you're getting.

[Anonymous No.15753925]

>>15753898
It's cheap because Collaro is a Singaporean brand. You don't have to pay the "made by white people" tax you'd get on a MiItaly or MiUK garment.

[Anonymous No.15753928]

>>15753898
Also forgot to mention, 250 is for cotton, they do linen and wool for much more, 300-400USD. But I like cotton because of how casual and light it is

[Anonymous No.15753937]

>>15753925
If you're OK with it then go for it. I highly suspect they have a Chinese factory and at those prices QA can't be hgih. Then again at those prices it isn't too bad even if it turns out crap.
If you buy it post pics here so we can see it.

[Anonymous No.15753982]

>>15753937
Made in Singapore, my dude. I'm gonna order one

[Anonymous No.15754034]

This is the sprezzcore that I'm into

[Anonymous No.15754046]

>>15753847
Safari jackets are cool, we had some inspo a few threads back

[Anonymous No.15754159]

Can you wear a sportcoat with different colored chinos? Wanna up my office dress game but I don't want to wear a suit.

[Anonymous No.15754176]

>>15754159
Yes, I am surprised, that you needed to ask

[Anonymous No.15754214]

>>15753847
Man, I love safari jackets. They go with everything : high waisted trousers, jeans, shirt, sweater, boots, loafers, etc.
I prefer the ones with a shirt colar like pic related.

[Anonymous No.15754228]

>>15754159
I don’t think you can’t. I think you cannot maybe if only?

[Anonymous No.15754426]

>38% Wool, 31% Cotton, 31% Silk
cop?

[Anonymous No.15754522]

>>15745327
different socks please

[Anonymous No.15754578]

>>15754426
too short, anorexic lapels and tight armholes

[Anonymous No.15754581]

>>15754578
Short indeed, but the lapel seems to cover half the shoulder and tight armholes are actually a good thing

[Anonymous No.15755207]

>>15741865

[Anonymous No.15755375]

https://www.taylorstitch.com/products/gibson-jacket-in-olive-herringbone-wool
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.15755523]

>>15755207
I love this picture.

[Anonymous No.15755536]

>>15755375
Weird design, cheap fabric.

[Anonymous No.15755573]

>>15754426
it's shit. pass.

[Anonymous No.15755934]

How to be sprezz in the cold?

[Anonymous No.15756285]

>>15743575
What about these two?

[Anonymous No.15756454]

>>15756285
>that hideous disgusting skelly lapel
Want to throw up

[Anonymous No.15756732]

>>15755934
srs?

[Anonymous No.15756774]

>>15756732
Srs
I mostly do linen shirts and pants, unlined loafers, cotton jackets, etc. I don't actually know how to do it in the cold

[Anonymous No.15756869]

>>15756285
Those suit on the right fits terribly with atrophied lapels. Left is too short with a buttoning point too high.
also >derbies

[Anonymous No.15756900]

[Anonymous No.15756907]

>>15756454
this is /sprezza/
you're looking for /thinspo/

[Anonymous No.15757002]

>>15756907
Your post makes no sense. We hate the skinny suit and lapel meme here.

[Anonymous No.15757006]

>>15757002
really?
you're all about the vomit, huh?
fine.
i will go then.

[Anonymous No.15757015]

Sorry

Haha I'll be honest I didn't read your followup post because there was no indication that you were gonna continue your thoughts and the fact that someone posted in between your two posts made me immediately think that it was an entirely new post from a different person. No offense meant to you and upon reading your other post it's clear that we are on the same page.

[Anonymous No.15757036]

>>15757015
>>15757006
Real schizo hours up in here

[Anonymous No.15757054]

>>15757036
? How? I was apologizing for the misunderstanding

[Anonymous No.15757085]

>>15754581
tight armholes usually create a shitty bunching effect which might not be apparent from the front but is noticeable from the back

[Anonymous No.15757087]

Is a suit jacket with completely unstructured shoulders too fashion forward in USA? I have the body of an anorexic woman so padded shoulders seem a little silly on me.

[Anonymous No.15757109]

>>15757087
Maybe try lightly padded shoulders? For that body type an unstructured shoulder is probably going to look even sillier

[Anonymous No.15757209]

Is this endgame /sprezz/?

[Anonymous No.15757220]

>>15757085
This is categorically wrong and criminally misinformed. Armhole sizing has nothing to do with the back fit. Armholes must be high, tight and snugly fitted under the arms or you're going to have compromised comfort and greatly reduced mobility.

>>15757087
Structured jackets are the way to go for twinks. Note that structured does not mean boxy meme-powersuits from the 80's, but rather a moderate-heavy interlining and appropriate padding on the shoulders.

[Anonymous No.15757262]

is there any world in which breaks do not look terrible?

[Anonymous No.15757370]

>>15757262
4 looks good
5 is full penguin core and pretty based
others look bad

[Anonymous No.15757484]

>>15757262
5 is Trump, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15757488]

>>15757484
Correct.

[Anonymous No.15757512]

>>15752186
Move

I left my little Irish town for a job in Boston a decade ago, moved back recently to be closer to my family. Between being asked if I was an FBI agent/professor and being accosted by beggars I eventually decided to keep my nice clothes for nicer places.

[Anonymous No.15757513]

>>15757087
Mang, I live in the US and I pretty much only wear unstructured jackets unless I absolutely need to wear a regular suit to work or something
No one cares. Just wear your clothes

[Anonymous No.15757519]

>>15754034
I'd say thats streetwear. I like it too though.

[Anonymous No.15757521]

>>15757262
The picture you posted is disgusting, but for more formal outfits and occasions, some break is encouraged.
No break or showing ankles is very casual, slight break is more formal, but too much break is just sloppy boomer tier

[Anonymous No.15757729]

>>15757521
Maybe a quarter break if you have to. Left is best in this.

[Anonymous No.15758068]

>>15756774
It's called wool

[Anonymous No.15758229]

Wool Scarf with denim shirt

[Anonymous No.15758241]

>>15740538
agreed

[Anonymous No.15758246]

>>15756900
these guys look like shit

[Anonymous No.15758253]

>>15758246
Agreed. They just look off, especially from the waist down

[Anonymous No.15758256]

>>15758229
looks terrible

[Anonymous No.15758259]

>>15758256
Your mom looks terrible

[Anonymous No.15758283]

>>15758229
Cool bib, baby. Is it to make sure you don't spill food on your shirt?

[Anonymous No.15758386]

>>15758229
What are you doing

[Anonymous No.15759028]

How do you guys take care of your cotton trousers? Do you still get them dry cleaned like wool ones or just toss them in the washing machine?
I was cooking during my lunch break so I was wearing my /sprezz/ pants and fucking oil splattered on them. They're 100% cotton so I think I'll just toss them in the wash

[Anonymous No.15759036]

>>15758229
You attempting that aviator scarf knot thing? Looks like a bib right now. Honestly, I’d rather see you naked and sleep on your hairy rug of a chest.

[Anonymous No.15759041]

>>15759028
Heat might set the discolouration. Blot stained clothes the moment they’re sullied.

[Anonymous No.15759550]

This is basically how I dress. I don't do ties and shit, that's spergy as fuck. Imagine wearing a tie to go grocery shopping.
But I still try to look nice and usually end up looking better than 99% of people in hoodies and sweatpants.

[Anonymous No.15759559]

>>15759550

[Anonymous No.15760052]

>>15759550
Neckties aren’t “spergy.”

[Anonymous No.15760073]

>>15759550
>I don't do ties and shit, that's spergy as fuck
Sperging about what you think is spergy is spergy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15760397]

>>15760073
By your logic, that makes you the sperg.

[Anonymous No.15760408]

>>15760397

[Anonymous No.15760457]

Still unpacking here. Lazy borderline sexcore for a street party happening in the city.

[Anonymous No.15760482]

>>15760457
>those windows
imagine living in jail

[Anonymous No.15760537]

>>15760482
Sliding gate. It can open. How can you not love South Africa?

[Anonymous No.15760544]

Africa

[Anonymous No.15760562]

>>15760537
>how can you not love a niggerfied shithole where rape and AIDS is rampant?
Oh gee, I wonder

[Anonymous No.15760577]

New kino from The Armoury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjalikDUWls

[Anonymous No.15760588]

>>15760562
the taste of chocolate makes it worthwhile

[Anonymous No.15760612]

>>15756285
pure sprezz on the right

[Anonymous No.15760702]

THE GREATEST FIT

[Anonymous No.15760704]

>>15760702
Spergzzatura should be ashamed of their peacocking ostentatiousness when people like this exist

[Anonymous No.15760802]

>>15756869
There is literally nothing wrong with the fit of the suit on the left, retard.
Right suit has pig disgusting lapels, though

[Anonymous No.15760805]

>>15760802
You dare avert your eyes from the poverty you uphold? >>15760702

[Anonymous No.15760861]

>>15760805
No one cares. Stop off-topic posting

[Anonymous No.15761911]

What item of clothing should i buy next?

[Anonymous No.15761936]

>>15761911
Take the capsule wardrobe pill. After a certain point you’re just buying things just to buy them

[Anonymous No.15761965]

>>15740456
Having traveled to europe I definitely envy that people care about how they look over there. As much as I'd like to get into sprezzatura it just sticks out like a sore thumb in the midwest

[Anonymous No.15761974]

>>15756900
jeans are the ultimate flex in sprezz, if you can't incorporate jeans into your sprezz look just go back to prep

[Anonymous No.15761982]

>>15761936
I'd like too but I'm fairly hopeless at it because I dont know what I'm doing lol

[Anonymous No.15762010]

>>15759550
nobody wears a tie to go grocery shopping, they wear ties to social events and to work

now the real question is are chelsea boots /sprezz/

[Anonymous No.15762013]

>>15762010
I think Chelsea boots are disgusting. I see them and I immediately think of the (literal) faggots I'd see at my university wearing them with their skinny jeans with ripped knees and extra long t-shirts.
Not to mention that chelseas are the official boots of sexcore

[Anonymous No.15762060]

>>15762056
NEW