Should I throw this watch away if it has this movement?

[Anonymous No.15648497]

It’s an automatic mechanical watch. Is it any good??

[Anonymous No.15648541]

>>15646784

First of all, it's not an automatic movement, it's manually wound. Second of all it's a cheap shit movement worth a few cents. Yes you should throw it away.

[Anonymous No.15648629]

>>15648541
Okay mechanical then. Really? Well I didn’t pay much for it. Can you recommend a good mechanical or automatic watch? Idc about brand name just something with good movement and reliable parts

[Anonymous No.15648775]

Never throw away a mechanical watch they have souls.

[Anonymous No.15649340]

>>15648775

Swiss Watches do, but not these Chinese Shittey Watches...

[Anonymous No.15649360]

>>15648629
>reliable
>mechanical
Pick one

[Anonymous No.15649551]

>>15649360
Reliable parts and automatic then

[Anonymous No.15649580]

>>15648497
No, but you may as well enjoy it

[Anonymous No.15649595]

>>15649340
retard.
most swiss watches are made in china. (swiss made) only refers to "60% cost of watch" from Switzerland.

you could have the entire watch made in China, ship it to Switzerland, add some screws or a rotor at a vastly inflated price, and have it be count as "swiss made".
in fact, this is what most swiss brands do, it is a very poorly kept industry secret.

also, there are good watches made everywhere. Swiss watches werent even considered exceptionally good quality at all in the past. Most swiss watches were poorly made, until the quartz crisis killed half of the swiss brands and forced the rest to either merge or rapidly upmarket themselves.

[Anonymous No.15649625]

>>15649595
False.
Over 60% of manufacturing must be done in Switzerland to be considered eligible as Swiss made.
"yEaH bUt aNoN wHaT aBoUt thE rEMaInInG 40%?"
Its chinese parts. Mostly screws and other parts that no one in the western world manufactures any longer.

[Anonymous No.15649631]

>>15649595
until ww2, the best watches were made in England or America. Swiss brands were bottom barrel during this time, many even were faking american or english watches. (look up 'swiss fakes')

during ww2, all the watchmakers in england and america had to pivot to making instruments for war equipment for the war effort, and production of watches ceased. But of course, Switzerland was neutral, and they continued to make watches, and took the time to catch up. When the english and american brands finally could go back to making watches after the war, it was too late, the swiss were dominant in the market.

Still, most watches produced are poor quality, many dont even have jewels in them, there was not much luxury market or a need for it, watches were just tools.

Then came the japanese, who invented QUARTZ in the 1970s. The swiss tried to hold out against this tsunami of cheap plastic watches, but the entire industry was devastated by this easy to manufacture, durable, and highly accurate movement, driven by batteries and electricity.

This event would kill many brands over the next decade. The survivors formed alliances and groups, and the swiss changed their marketing towards LUXURY and EXCLUSIVITY to justify higher costs. All sorts of flowery language was used to colour the heritage of the swiss watch. And now you have people thinking they shit gold and are mortal gods in horology, when it wasnt really the case.

[Anonymous No.15649635]

>>15649625
do you even. Google?

>To be marked Swiss made, a watch has to meet the requirement of minimum 60% of Swiss value.

VALUE. Not manufacture.

https://www.fhs.swiss/eng/strengthening.html

[Anonymous No.15650452]

>>15648629
seiko 5
orient kamasu
can't go wrong with an NH35 or F6922

[Anonymous No.15650892]

>>15650452
Okay thanks I’ll check those out

[Anonymous No.15650904]

>>15649631
So Swiss made luxury brands are a rip off and you’re better off buying a cheaper watch?

[Anonymous No.15650906]

>>15649580
Okay will do. I’ll enjoy it till it breaks and then decide if I want to buy a more expensive one

[Anonymous No.15651368]

>>15650904
Swiss brands have a lot of wiggle room to rip you off. Some do, some dont, there is no transparency whatsoever so we can't know who makes most of their stuff in Switzerland and who just gets the movement done in China then has an overpaid swiss worker do engraving and "add value" because an hour of his work is worth a hundred time that of a chinese worker.

[Anonymous No.15651506]

>>15651368
So avoid watches that say “Swiss made” cos they could make their stuff in China and assemble it Switzerland?

[Anonymous No.15651520]

>>15651506
Only way around that would be to
>buy japanese
>buy other euros (some german and french brand do their movement in-house)
>buy vintage
because pretty much all swiss brands go for the Swiss Made label but won't disclose what happens where, unless we're talking 100k+ unique pieces.
At the end of the day, it's a matter of how much you're willing to trust them and how much you pay, really. The luxury part of the market is probably quite legit but stuff in the 100-2000€ might be exploiting loopholes.

[Anonymous No.15651534]

>>15651520
So are Japanese and European brands more reliable then?

Do you have any recommend trusted brands

[Anonymous No.15651973]

>>15651534
Depends what you mean by "reliable".
If you just want brands, let's cut to the chase : a bunch of brands just use ETA or Ronda movements, which are labelled Swiss Made, that or some japanese Miyota or Seiko ones. And now of course, there is the whole deal of chinese-made movements, some of which are legit, most of which are cheapos. If you dig around, you'll be able to find who uses what without much trouble.
>TAG Heuer
the main culprit in using loopholes in the Swiss Made label. 1990-2010s TAG got a pretty bad rep due to their obnoxious marketing, their massive overpricing and their butchering of classic designs and the quality of the movements was not always up to snuff. Basically, they were overpricing in order to funnel money to their legit R&D department to then be used by the LVMH group. They are in the process of radically changing direction to better their brand image so who knows.
>Invicta
Another serious culprit. They are known for overpricing and for also abusing """sales""" offers, advertising discounts that may very well not be discounts, the usual. So at the end of the day, if they can afford to regularly sell their shit at grey market price while brand new, chances are they make good margins and low production costs would allow that.
>Hublot
Same deal as TAG, except without the heritage and without the change of heard and R&D.
>Breitling
Pretty legit, at least if they outsource then the quality is still here. Their in-house movements are also used by Tudor.
>Rolex
Rolex is easily one of the least transparent brands out there, from the exact size of their limited releases to the completion date and delays in shipping to authorized dealers, etc. We don't know whether or not they use loopholes and outsource.
>the Swatch Group
hard to tell
Since Swatch runs some factory lines in Switzerland to make parts cheaply, it's possible that they may not need to outsource much but the pricing on Tissot or Certina's entry level can be a bit fishy.
(cont)

[Anonymous No.15652025]

>>15651534
(cont)
>a note about japanese watches
While they have a very good reputation in general, japanese makers use the same sort of loopholes to label their products as "made in Japan" while outsourcing a bunch of the labor to Thailand, Vietnam and China. Granted, they too can be pretty obtuse about it so while it's common knowledge that most of Casio's electronics now come from China and Thailand, we can't tell how much. Same deal for Seiko.
>a note about french watches
the french watch industry was once a pretty legit competitor but it has massively shrunk since the interwar period, as has most french luxury, really. There are still a few active names however. Yema has been making some waves recently precisely because they try and do as much, if not everything in house. Lip used to be fully in-house in France, now they appear to use swiss Eta movements. BRM makes movements in-house but their styling is god-awful so no one cares. Herbelin uses swiss Sellita movements that are notorious for having a bunch of their work done in south-China. Cartier always does their work between Switzerland and France and has had problem with labels in both country because the balance between the work on movements and on jewelry makes the added value about even at points, especially for their ladies' watches.
>a note about russian watches
These are usually legit. Vostok's automatic movement is legendary at this point. Raketa makes as much as possible in-house but their current designs are not winning the hearts of many customers. Vostok Europe is technically not russian and they tend to use japanese Miyota.
>a note about american watches
much like the french, the american watch brands tend to have moved production to Switzerland, be bought by swiss groups. Timex has, for the most part, stopped making their own movements and rely on swiss Eta or chinese Sea-Gull, which are alright. Ball is not swiss-owned but makes in-house movements.

[Anonymous No.15652047]

>>15651534
>a note about german watches
A mixed bag, really. Mid-level brands like Junkers or Junghans use swiss Etas or Rondas, so consider yourself warned. Nomos claims to make 95% of their work in-house. Sinn uses swiss Valjoux, which have a pretty good reputation. Stowa uses swiss Etas. Then of course, the really high end ones like Glashütte Original or a. Lange do everything in-house
>a note about british watches
they're dead, Jim
all of them
>a note about China
all of this really gets us back to China and to how good they may or may not be at making movements.
And the answer is : they are good but they are also really shit.
There are a handful of really legit factories making quality movements. The Sea-Gull movements are solid, rugged automatic movements that many use. The Beijing Watch Factory once made some good movements but their main line, the Chinese Standard Movement has seriously declined (used by Invicta, among others). However if you're willing send them specs, they can give you a quality movement like the Celadon-Grade Caliber. That thing has a 120h power reserve ffs.
However at the end of the day, most chinese quartzes will be pretty shit and the bulk of chinese movement production is no-name stuff shoved into fashion watches.

[Anonymous No.15652435]

>>15650452
>sold movement
>+/-30s per month, hand tuned with no specialised equipment
>200m wr
>sapphire crystal
>good lume
>generally good quality control
>bracelet feels a bit cheap. but you can go aftermarket for that.
>seamaster aesthetics, but still it's own watch.
the current king of value for money.

[Anonymous No.15652663]

>>15651534
Most watches are reliable, even reputable chinkshit. The value kings that aren't microbrands are orient, old seiko, nomos, vostok, sinn, damasko. But if it isn't just mechanicals, citizen and casio are king.
Microbrands can seriously pull their weight these days, but it's easy to get lost in them.