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goth girl fashion

>> No.14837138
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>>14837031
only the leftmost side

>> No.14837140

>>14837031
not goth idiot drop dead

>> No.14837142

>>14837138
holy fuck this picture is a mess, absolutely based otherwise though

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Post more.

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>>14837142
That's part of the point.
Trying to draw connexions between things that are barely related to one another is always gonna be messy as fuck.

Thus the messiness illustrates how flimsy the connexions are.

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>> No.14837212

>>14837193
ah yes, the Taake trannie

>> No.14837214

>>14837138
Good image, as an old bastard with roots in goth from the mid 90s, I don't see edgethots at all related to anything Gothic, at most I would refer to them as "Dark SJW's" but probbaly even bigger cunts with added pretentious bullshit.

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>>14837193
This chick is fake as hell, she dresses in the style of whoever pays her attention and is fucking her. She has masses of self harm marks on her arms which further show her total lack of worth and self esteem and how she is searching for an identity.

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>>14837222
>which further show her total lack of worth and self esteem

>> No.14837229

>>14837214
none of them are SJW at all, you sheltered fatso

You need to realize this: not every obnoxious ugly chick who needs to die is part of this very specific group we call the SJWs. There are many many kinds of obnoxious ugly chicks who need to die

>> No.14837235

>>14837222
that's pretty hot
it means you can mold her into anything you want.
Which is precisely the reason why we want subculture girls, so that they can match our niche interests. This one can match anybody's niche interests, that's perfect.

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>>14837228
I like your thinking.

>>14837229
Oh jump off the fuck off it, incel. Almost every edgethot is young, a feminist vegan politically correct spouting moron.

Are you trying to say they are right wing or something?

>>14837235
Yeah but it would be fake, would be nice to meet a genuine goth chick, no?

>> No.14837261

>>14837242
>would be nice to meet a genuine goth chick
God no, why the fuck would anyone want to put up with their obnoxious art and philosophy.

>> No.14837269 [DELETED] 

>>14837138
>>14837214
Goth gatekeeping is fuckinng sad. You're the reason the scene always sucked.

>> No.14837271

>>14837261
Because when I got into goth, people were right wing, the aesthetics were based on Europe, myths, history, heroes, the stories and music was too. Obnoxious little art cunts are edgethots but admittedly, even the somewhat legit goths of today are just as retarded and ultra left wing.

>> No.14837274

>>14837242
No I am trying to say they are tend to only hold a handful of vaguely left-leaning ideas without being committed to them.

>> No.14837275 [DELETED] 

>>14837269
>69 of truth.

Fix your life, boomer goth. Nobody liked you because you've always been a judgemental cunt.

>> No.14837278

>>14837269
Better no scene than a polluted scene, we already have tons of old albums to dig through


Generally speaking we need less of everything.

>> No.14837279

>>14837269
Lots of goths were always snobbish about it and elite, you sound like a babybat mall goth. If you don't gatekeep, the whole thing becomes something else. The black metal scene knew that too which is why it died. It's the reason why people keep music movements too underground.

Not to mention it was a way to connect with others of a like mind, I don;t want to identify as goth and meet an edgethot "goth" who calls me sexist within 2 minutes.

>> No.14837280 [DELETED] 

>>14837271
>Goths were right wing


.... Stop projecting. You're probably the only republican goth in existence...

Autism isnt something to be proud of.

>> No.14837284 [DELETED] 

>>14837278
Scenes change and evolve, and inspire new scenes. Boomer goths should just finally coming suicide (youve been dwelling on it for 20 years, just do it already)

>> No.14837285

>>14837274
The majority are young, have pink hair, edgy and with daddy issues. They are in mist cases your average SJW with little difference. Most scenes that have teens in despite the outer images have the same internal bullshit going on.

>> No.14837287 [DELETED] 

>>14837279
You don't interact well with other people. Stop pretending like you'll ever have irl friends.

>> No.14837290

>>14837279
the BM scene is fucking thriving actually. It's been more mainstream than the traditional heavy metal scene since the mid-2000s
and it's thriving through a combination of extremely ineffectual but rabid gatekeeping that only spurs people to get into it, and mass media marketing that makes it readily available to everyone.

>> No.14837292

>>14837280
I've met plenty, and been around the scene so much. let me make it clear, they were accepting of most things, they wouldn't have beat up some homos but by today's standards, they would be a right wing. Like a racist joke or whatever would not have got you screamed at.

My main point is the goths of yesterday are not the goths of today.

>> No.14837294

>>14837284
>Scenes change and evolve, and inspire new scenes.
And that is not a good thing
>Boomer goths should just finally coming suicide (youve been dwelling on it for 20 years, just do it already)
everyone should commit suicide

>>14837285
>The majority are young, have pink hair, edgy and with daddy issues.
that's really not what SJW means. The fact that they're thots, that they willingly objectify and whore themselves online, should be enough to tell you that they aren't SJWs

>> No.14837295

>>14837287
I have plenty of friends, the goth scene fits with the metal scene and so on and everyone generally gets on really well.

>>14837290
Is it a new kind of BM though or one related to the early? Are the songs about trannies and Islam?

>> No.14837298

>>14837294
>The fact that they're thots, that they willingly objectify and whore themselves online, should be enough to tell you that they aren't SJWs

HAHAHA. Are you underage? You know nothing of SJWs or what the fuck you are tlaking about. You are obviously an SJW yourself as you paint them as some honorable people instead of total retarded hypocrites. This convo is over, son.

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how do you pull off a more tradgoff fit if you're a guy?
seems pretty hard to do nowadays without veering into eboy/LARPer territory

>> No.14837308

>>14837295
it's every kind of BM
The only BM band I can think of that isn't trying to pretend that they're elitist and hard to get into is Cradle of Filth.
Almost every other BM band is simultaneously pretending to be super exclusive, whilst also promoting the shit out of themselves, from the huge pop metal acts like Dimmu to the bandcamp bedroom BM wankers.

It's the same strategy: pretend that you don't want to be famous at all, and do everything you can to become famous. That's been the black metal formula ever since Euronymous founded his shop.

>> No.14837312

>>14837298
I literally said that SJWs needed to kill themselves, that they were ugly and obnoxious

Jesus fucking christ

you fucking caricature

>> No.14837315

>>14837299
Same poseur as posted previously.

>>14837300
Yeah man! Throw them horns up in the air!! larper.

>>14837306
That's more like corporate goth which in most cases is fine, even more so if you are older but lose the makeup. That's what will make you look stupid.

>> No.14837322

>>14837306
it's very simple: wear a suit that fits

e-boys wear suits that don't fit, that are too short, that show off their ankles, they forego the blazer, they wear dumb shit on top of it.

Do like Sean Connery in Highlander 2: the Quickening: go to your tailor, ask him for a suit, and pay him with your pearl earring.

>> No.14837324

>>14837315
>That's what will make you look stupid.
It's also what will make you goth

>> No.14837325

>>14837308
I just don't see young people liking modern BM, if it resembled the old as it would be deemed all kind of "isms" and the majority of the youth would be commies like Euronymous.

I see so many young people still in Burzum shirts who would detest Varg.

>>14837312
You don't know what an SJW is. Yes they whore themselves out, just like most feminists like being choked and slapped around. They are just hypocrites who live to virtue signal. Total cunts.

>> No.14837332

>>14837324
>thinks white face paint is what makes you goth

OK, this is why convos regarding goth online are retarded because I'd just laugh in your face irl when someone who doesn't know what something is tries to tell others things

The vast majority of goths do not wear white face paint, if you truly must know.

>> No.14837335

>>14837325
Sorry lad but I don't trust you to speak your opinion about anything, you accused me of being one of them even after having read my posts.

It's like, you witness things. And then you forget 90% of them within half a second. So I think I'll be going with my experience instead of yours.

>> No.14837337

>>14837332
Oh then they aren't goth

>> No.14837341

>>14837335
Fact is nothing to do with personal experience, that's the language of SJWs so stop hiding your true form. I wouldn't expect someone with an IQ of around 70 to listen to someone with double that. Good luck in life, kid.

>> No.14837343

>>14837325
Nobody under the ange of 20 gives a shit about metal, but that's only because they're too busy listening to edgy trap instead, not because of politics.

Nobody under the age of 20 cares about identity politics either, mind you.

>> No.14837344

>>14837337
>the definition of goth and what it means to be goth relies solely on if you have a face covered in talc and wear black lipstick
>bottomlesspit_brainlet.png

>> No.14837347

>>14837341
But here's the thing, nigger, when you witness facts, you are unable to remember them because you're a mentally ill politicuck who needs brain surgery ASAP to excise the /pol/faggotry teratoma that's eating at it. Your head is like the butchered pelvis of a trannie.

>> No.14837349

>>14837343
The majority of socialist idiots and feminists are found in the under 25s. Although it is true there are also now large groups of conservative thinkers growing within that age group. You just can't halt nature.

fa itself has a majority under 25 base and is highly left wing and identity politics fuelled. The only right wing posts are people who have crossed over from pol.

>> No.14837353

>>14837344
Not solely no

There are other requirements, including music taste and hairstyle.

It's a whole package, you don't get to pick and choose only what's convenient for you. Neither of us is goth because neither of us commits

>> No.14837352

>>14837347
So you basically prove me right all along that you are a demented SJW. It was obvious as much as you tried to play sneaky tricks around it. I just proved your low IQ. Try harder.

>> No.14837357

>>14837353
>if you are bald you can't have the right hairstyle and therefore can never be goth

Troll or a legit living brainlet meme.

>> No.14837358

>>14837352
Those aren't tricks, they're called insults, retard

Get brain surgery to un-tranniefy your cortex, cocksucker

how's that for a trick?

>> No.14837361

>>14837358
>the "tolerant" sjw rages because it has been exposed

Like pottery.

>> No.14837362

>>14837357
>I can be goth if I wanna!
no

sorry dude but it's not just a matter of feeling like it

>> No.14837363 [DELETED] 

>>14837306
All goth is larping... How have you faggots not figured that out yet?

>> No.14837364

>>14837362
I used to be in The Sins of Thy Beloved, I have played alongside Theatre Of Tragedy and know all the guys from the early BM scene. Now worship me already. Call me Lord.

>> No.14837365

>>14837361
I don't tolerate, I'm not a hypocritical faggot like you who pretends to give a shit about freedom of speech

fuck freedom of speech, you belong in a septic tank

>> No.14837368 [DELETED] 

>>14837324
Dude, high school is over. Grow up. You're not rebelling against anyone. The world has moved on.

>> No.14837369

>>14837364
Oh so you're like the random teenage metalhead that Virgin in Veil settled for cause they couldn't find another deathrocker for their act.

wow

>> No.14837371

>>14837365
>I'm not a hypocritical faggot like you who pretends to give a shit about freedom of speech

What did he mean by this? Is he losing it? You need some more onion juice, you are running low.

>> No.14837372

>>14837371
Shhhh...

Drown, little bitch, just drown.

Shhhhhh.....

>> No.14837373

>>14837369
I'm 43 but OK.

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>>14837364
>Sins of the Beloved
Cringe

This is who you've been arguing with, anons...

>> No.14837375

>>14837373
Hey Alexi Laiho is still rocking that look at the same age, it's not unheard of

>> No.14837379

>>14837374
oh jeez oh man

>> No.14837381

>>14837374
Hahah I thought "how does he know that's me" but then I noticed they sued me for the wiki as pretty much the main image. Pretty cool.

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>>14837222
Is there anything she can't do?

>> No.14837385

>>14837383
Goth apparently

but we aint seen her try yet

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>>14837315
>>14837322
yeah i should have clarified pic was unrelated, i dig the corporate goth style but am not really interested in rocking it myself.
for me it's the 80's post-punk/goth rock/deathrock-influenced style or the more modern witch house-influenced style.

>> No.14837389

>>14837383
She's cute but obviously has mental issues, maybe some borderline personality disorder

>> No.14837391

>>14837387
pretty based
the hairstyle is crucial to pull that off and set it apart from e-boy shit

>> No.14837393

>>14837031
i know an accessory for all you goth girls out there: my penis!!! bwahahahahah

>> No.14837394 [DELETED] 

>>14837385
Why they posting skinheads in a high thread?

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>>14837387
Witch house is good, very easy to carry off.

>> No.14837396

>>14837138
>>14837242
>>14837315
>gatekeeping
Things change retards, goth is an inherently reactionary style just like punk and that means over the 40 years you've spent in your basement, the things that the goth kids are reacting to have shifted and swayed, and so has their style. You can't judge if someone is "real goth" just by looking at them. If you want to be real anal about it, the only defining feature of goth is occult influence/interest. Without that, you can wear all the black you want but you'll still just be emo.

>> No.14837399

>>14837383
>combat 84
kek no wonder so many losers on this site orbit this girl

>> No.14837401

>>14837396
>punk
>anti-establishment
>now punks are government loving politically correct cock grabbers

HURR PUNK HAS CHANGED!! JUST AS LEGIT AS ORIGINAL PUNK!

How about no? You can't change something into something totally different and then say it is the same. At best you can call it "nu-punk or nu-goth" to distinguish between the scenes.

The sames as how we have feminism 2nd/3rd wave feminism as they are not all the same thing. They might have somewhat similar roots but that is where it ends.

>> No.14837402

>>14837396
>things change
they should not
not anymore at least

they should have stopped changing in 1991 to be precise

>> No.14837406

>>14837396
mallgoths, edgethots and goths don't even have the same roots

one is rooted in post-punk, one is rooted in hip-hop, one is rooted in pop punk

>> No.14837412

>>14837396

you need
-all black
-wild hair
-makeup
-jewelry
-strong interest in spooky shit
-strong interest in goth rock, darkwave, deathrock

At the very least

which means none of us qualify

>> No.14837416

>>14837412
Your dads balls are in your mouth every night though so you qualify. Congrats!

>> No.14837419

>>14837416
that makes two of us then

>> No.14837423

>>14837419
No, because it is me, your dad... son.

>> No.14837430

>>14837401
Except it isn't totally different, all the core aspects are still there: mostly black, silver jewelry, piercings, dark hair, boots, some kind of stocking/legging, the makeup. No goths dress like they did when goth started, that would be ridiculous larping bullshit because back then they took styles that were already common and warped them and exacerbated them to make it goth. People do the exact same thing now, except with modern styles.
>>14837402
Don't be afraid of change or you'll be left behind
>>14837406
They may stem from different genres but the reactionary spirit is still there. Edgethots are closer to modern day punks though, I will admit, but they can be classified as goth just as well
>>14837412
See the first one, and the genre of music you listen to isn't as important as you think, it's the themes that matter and they can be present in most genres.

>> No.14837434

>>14837430
being left behind is a good thing if things are changing for the worse

>Edgethots are closer to modern day punks though, I will admit, but they can be classified as goth just as well
just as well as not at all
>See the first one, and the genre of music you listen to isn't as important as you think, it's the themes that matter and they can be present in most genres.

the themes are far more specific than you think and so is the way they are portrayed

which makes the genres of music you like and absolutely crucial factor

>> No.14837436

>>14837430
>except with modern styles
right
thus result in something that is not goth, but something else, with a different name

>> No.14837439

>>14837430
>all the core aspects are still there: mostly black, silver jewelry, piercings

Dude you are just a retarded troll. These things are mindset; not uniform. A naked goth is s till a goth.

>No goths dress like they did when goth started

Yes they absolutely do, the goth genre has many sub genres such as rivethead to cyber. Trad goths still exist though.

Now go play in traffic, you are boring me.

>> No.14837443

>>14837439
uh, cybergoths are a subset of ravers and rivetheads are a subset of post-punks (like goths)

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>>14837430
yeah this pretty much, not sure why some people think a subculture is supposed to stagnate and not change or splinter for ~40 years.
goths as we knew them in the 80s with teased hair and winklepickers aren't around anymore because they were a product of their time. a lot of subcultures today are goth-influenced and you can draw parallels between a lot of them but that's the closest you will get.

>> No.14837448

>>14837443
Just shut up already, your trolling is boring.

>> No.14837456

>>14837446
>goths as we knew them in the 80s with teased hair and winklepickers aren't around anymore because they were a product of their time

Yes they are. They are called trad goths. Image search if you wish, the look is still very much around. Imagine replying on things you know fuck all about.

>> No.14837462

>>14837446
Oh and here is someone with the hair and look that supposedly has not existed since the 80s and yet here we have it, a new video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh5oFJ_U_ZE

tl;dr you are some retarded teenager sdpeaking on subjects them know fuck all about.

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>when teenage retards attempt to tell me about goth itt

Yeah nah, think I am going to go smoke my clove cigarettes.

>> No.14837848

>>14837138
Edgethot on the right is cute though

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>> No.14838596

>>14837848
except NOT

>> No.14838623

>>14837031
That's a guy isn't it?

>> No.14838924

>>14837280
imagine equating right wing with republicanism
you amerimutts really are braindead

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>>14837271
Almost all young women are ultra left wing nowadays.

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>>14839179
Women like this are my weakness

>> No.14839247

>>14839224
isn't there something in your head that reminds you how vapid she is?

>> No.14839276

>>14837271
Why are there so many boomers on this site?

>> No.14839283

>>14839247
Of course there is. That doesn't mean I listen to it. What are you, a faggot?

>> No.14839288

>>14837292
>>14837271
as an older person who was goth in my younger days, like actually goth, when goth was a thing, no one was fucking "right wing"

I dont know what it is up with incels on this site that want to make it seem like being right wing, or alt-right, is cool, and part of the counter culture. Its not, and it never has been. But for some reason that is a very common trend on this board.

also I dont know if you only live on the computer, but being left wing doesnt mean you scream at people in they say racist jokes. Like you dont have to be incredibly easily offend able to any minute sign of intolerance, to be left wing. Thats like saying all right wingers are incel red necks that were born of inbreeding. Like both are just sterotypes

>> No.14839300

>>14839288
>as an older person
shut the fuck up, boomer. no one is asking for your opinion

>> No.14839371

>>14839283
maybe. idk, when i notice myself getting aroused by certain types of people i just can't stop thinking about what their personality must be like. that usually kills the mood.

>> No.14839399

>>14839371
based and autismpilled

>> No.14839439

>>14839300
you shut up, that old anon is completely correct.

>> No.14839449

>>14838500
tbf goth and alt girls are rare. Yes there's a uniform look but the amount of people that dress and identify as goth is very low.

>> No.14839559

>>14839288
>implying leftism isn't objectively the least counter-culture thing in hsitory

>> No.14839566

>>14837169
it would actually make a good triple venn diagram if someone could be bothered to sort through it and make one

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You do know that all this "goth gf" shit is smoke and mirrors, right? Strip off all that make-up and they're just regular insecure women.

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>>14839698
An insecure woman who'll sometimes wear black lipstick and leather though.

>> No.14839768

>>14837383
make her father proud

>> No.14839847

>>14837396
Absolute bait. Occult can be goth, but it is NOT the essence. Goth is 80s alternative. Take it out of the 80s and you get raver, sjw crap.

>> No.14839879

>>14837395
such a normie face

>> No.14841333

>>14839698
Would destroy/10

>> No.14841405

>>14839559
It's counter-culture in the sense that it destroys pre-existing culture, thereby making room for the temporary consumerist fads we call "subcultures"

Ground zero of transgression:
Whether ironic distance is true subversion
As it is carved in the structure
Of the system being opposed

>> No.14841529

Holy fucking shit you cringetards stop arguing and post goth girls

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>>14841333 (checked)
Everyone would.

>> No.14843045

>>14839698
>makeup is used to change a person's outward appearance
somebody call the press, people need to know about this!

>> No.14843049

>>14839179
>>14839698
>>14842083
>tfw matched both of them on tinder but am too much of a bitch to ever send the first message

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Nobody cares what you autists think, and here's why:

When normies see someone dressed in a dark (or even just unusual) outfit witha weird hairstyle they call it "goth". Most know nothing about music outside of their favorite top 40 pop/hip-hop/classic rock/country radio station, and certainly can't tell the difference between gothic rock, deathrock, black metal, industrial rock, aggrotech etc. And they sure cannot differentiate between the associated fashion.
And here's the real kicker. If you actually spend any time in a goth club, you will see that there is a huge crossover. The vast majority of individuals are fans of multiple genres, and incorporate elements from all of them in their personal styles.

>> No.14843222

>>14837222

wc2 that bomber what brand is that again, is it harrington

>> No.14843269

>>14837222
>>14843222
https://www.harrington.fr/en/jackets/10-harrington-original-jacket.html#/11-couleur-black/3-taille-l

is it this one not sure

>> No.14843292

>>14837228
same, bruh

>> No.14843342

>>14843222
>>14843269
you're looking for the g9 baracuta
https://www.baracuta.com/en/shop/outerwear/g9-jacket/g9-classic-black-BRCPS0001BCNY1100.html

>> No.14843381

I dressed normie and didn't belong in any scene when I was young, but I thought the scenes and music were either about emotion, feelings of disenfranchised youth or not fitting in, and maybe some of the edgier subcultures had spiritual elements or misanthropic, bitter views on humanity. That's what it seemed like back in the day and the way I remember it, the average depressed looking edgy dude dressed in all leather either felt that he has no representation in the political system, or hated politics and politicians altogether.

You lot in this thread are making it sound like these different lifestyles were all just variants of regular fag loving commies who happened to have a distinct taste in music and clothing, but that's not the way I remember it and I frankly don't believe you. Especially the subcultures inhabited by the poor sons of factory workers, every single one I grew up with turned out aggressively right wing (and not "right wing" in the capitalist sense) compared to the yuppies in another school I went to when I was older. Correct me if I'm wrong, as all of the above is based on my personal and local observations.

>> No.14843576

>>14843381
That was pretty much my experience with the scene in the 1990s and 2000s. The rampant socialism thing gained traction in the 2010s, but even now isn't nearly what these pol incels are making it out to be. I'm a somewhat right of center rivethead, and even now honestly most people I meet in the scene hardly care about politics and are annoyed by people who try to push politics into everything.

>> No.14844854

>>14839371
look retard all you have to do is fuck her. Everyone knows you don't marry a person life that

>> No.14844964

>>14837138
Is there anything I can do to dissuade my dick from mall goths?

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14844974

>>14839224
My brother. If I wasn't ugly I would probably have suffered for it

>> No.14844976

>>14839738
This anon get it. Retards always try to point out that goth and alt girls are still women like we don't recognize that

>> No.14844981

>>14843381
nah ur rite, but we are on /fa/ so what do we expect

>> No.14845054

this goth "revival" sucks because it's mostly people cosplaying or even LARPing as what they think are cool goths

>> No.14845076

>>14839276
facebook boomers love /pol/. if they stayed there

>> No.14845172

>>14843049
the worst thing that can happen is you get rejected and go back to doing what you do now. open with some witchcraft shit

>> No.14845200

>>14837271
Sounds like you're thinking of the black metal scene, not goth.

>> No.14845506

>>14839179
They are super easy to redpill once you are in a relationship with them

>> No.14845511

>>14837031
real goths wear whatever they want because they can find darkness in everything

>> No.14845546

>>14838500
that's a wannabe bettie page generic look

>> No.14845616

>>14837383
have a personality

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>>14839559
Are you implying that conservatism is counter-culture?

>> No.14845693

>>14844964
public castration is a good idea

>> No.14845694

>>14845627
he said "the least", so clearly there are SEVERAL things that are not counter-culture

I don't see why you're trying to pitch this into a binary thing

>> No.14845697

>>14845511
yes, but "whatever they want" happens to always be the same thing, and it happens to always be black old-timey or edgy 80s clothes, which is what makes them goth

>> No.14845753

>>14843204
This is accurate. If you're too autistic to go to a goth club and see, check out the mix of bands that play the big festivals.

>> No.14845880

>>14839698
holy shit I saw her on tinder as well. South Germany here