/wt/ - Watch Thread: Black Gold Edition

[Anonymous No.14564803]

This thread is about the appreciation of exceptional timepieces, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make an exceptional timepiece.

> Required viewing for new people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrvxafi_Zc

Guides:

> Watch essentials 102: https://pastebin.com/Rc77hhXV
> Purchasing used watches: https://pastebin.com/f44aJKy2
> Purchasing straps: https://pastebin.com/SwRysprE
> Guide for plebs: https://imgur.com/a/NFMXDuK
Should I buy this fashion brand watch?

> Scroll through this album first: https://imgur.com/a/6CNO8

"Suggest a watch for me."
> Your budget
> Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, flieger, etc...
> Desired bracelet option, e.g. leather, nylon, metal
> Wrist size or desired watch size, e.g. 24cm / 50mm

Previous thread:

>>14559501

[Anonymous No.14564807]

FIRST FOR AUDEMARS PIGUET

[Anonymous No.14564816]

>>14564807
looks fake

[Anonymous No.14564825]

Have a great week, Bills and Mikes.

[Anonymous No.14564868]

My new tissot visodate

[Anonymous No.14564872]

Too cheap to buy Rolex, too much of a snob to buy a shitter. I think watches are over for me boys.

[Anonymous No.14564873]

>>14564803
I think that's the first sinn that I actually like how it looks.

[Anonymous No.14564881]

>>14564872
You’re a snob who doesn’t own a decent watch? How does that work exactly?

[Anonymous No.14564893]

>ahem
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[Anonymous No.14564901]

>>14564872
i understand this problem my friend. rolex, patek, lange, journe or nothing. the shitter life is nothing but embarrassment

[Anonymous No.14564940]

>>14564881
It's just autism. They're like Archie except they don't have the money and they're not pretending.

[Anonymous No.14564944]

>>14564901
>journe

[Anonymous No.14564949]

>>14564940
>i spent 2k on a german sinn! XD!
holy fuck lmao

[Anonymous No.14564957]

>>14564901
>>14564940
>>14564944
>>14564949
>sinn is a good 'value proposition'

[Anonymous No.14565016]

buying my first adult watch.need it for work. I like this one, just looking if anyone has other recommendations.
>any movement
>chronograph
>date
>looks professional
>sub 750usd

[Anonymous No.14565020]

>>14564949
>>14564957
Pure unadulterated autism.

[Anonymous No.14565024]

>>14565016
>adult watch
>sub 750usd
uhhhh

[Anonymous No.14565060]

What's the best blue dial nautilus replica?

[Anonymous No.14565095]

>>14565016
Cheaper is better. You can get a Seiko chronograph for around $100 that will work fine. You have to spend real money to get a decent chronograph movement if you care about that sort of thing. If you don’t, then you should just get a cheap quartz.

[Anonymous No.14565109]

>>14565016
I own several Pateks and Rolex but I always am in awe of Christopher Ward designs

[Anonymous No.14565156]

>>14565024
>first job
>first watch
>am 25

[Anonymous No.14565166]

>>14565156
Seiko Presage

[Anonymous No.14565172]

[Anonymous No.14565174]

>>14565156
Why didn't you get a Rolly for graduation? Why are you getting your first job like 10 years after everyone else?

[Anonymous No.14565175]

[Anonymous No.14565183]

>>14565174

Rowlecks used to be like 4k for graduating seniors, now it's double that unless you buy an Air King.

[Anonymous No.14565212]

>>14565172
huh

[Anonymous No.14565220]

>>14565212

[Anonymous No.14565222]

ok /wt/
i've only owned cheap watches before and i think im ready for something really nice, i'm thinking about a rolex or something like that but tell me if im being retarded, im an avid surfer so i want something thats 100 percent waterproof with metal band. I want to be able to wear it casually and ideally up to black tie, and i want it to last for fucking forever.
Is there something that fits this description?

[Anonymous No.14565223]

>>14565222
casio a168, doesn't get much nicer then that

[Anonymous No.14565232]

>>14565223
>trolling level : WEAK

[Anonymous No.14565238]

>>14565222
What did you own before?

[Anonymous No.14565239]

>>14565232
if you want a watch to surf in, thats what you should get. If you really want to burn money I guess a breitling aerospace is rugged enough, can't get sand in it since the bezel is fixed

[Anonymous No.14565241]

>>14565174
>Why are you getting your first job like 10 years after everyone else?
5yr college 3 year flight school

>Why didn't you get a Rolly for graduation?
Flight school

[Anonymous No.14565249]

>>14565241
So, why didn't you get a Breitling then?

[Anonymous No.14565252]

>>14565238
i've owned a cheap seiko before and well as a weird brand that i can't remember the name of, they were both metal and i've also owned a couple of timex expeditions
>>14565239
i'd rather not wear a casio with a suit or a tux

[Anonymous No.14565254]

>>14565249
Should I save up for a navitimer? Kind of a big purchase for a first watch

[Anonymous No.14565263]

>>14565254
Every kid who goes to pilot school gets a Breitling, are you from a poor family? Diversity scholarship?

[Anonymous No.14565265]

>>14565252
For surfing get something on a metal or rubber strap, but keep it to leather or metal for a tux. Maybe some kind of Orient dive watch for your surfing.

[Anonymous No.14565273]

>>14565263
> Every kid who goes to pilot school gets a Breitling
False

Dont want to ask anything from my parents after they spent $65k for flight school alone.

[Anonymous No.14565305]

>>14565095
I think ill do that. Maybe a speedmaster after if i really get into it

[Anonymous No.14565308]

>>14565016
>Seiko RAF chrono
>need it for work
>flight school

I see where you are going with this, but get the real deal, homie.

[Anonymous No.14565317]

>>14565183
>>14565263
These posts make me genuinely sad to read, to think someone could be so unloved and this is how they attempt to cope. I hope you're able to turn things around anon

[Anonymous No.14565335]

>>14565239
>what is a divewatch
I'm not surf bro, I'm just saying your trolling is
W E A K
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[Anonymous No.14565342]

>>14565335
ok

[Anonymous No.14565352]

>>14565222
Your only option is Rolex. You’ll look like a cunt wearing it with a tuxedo but no one cares anymore.

[Anonymous No.14565423]

Should I buy a Seiko or a replica watch?

[Anonymous No.14565450]

>>14565423
Seiko has some worthy stuff; replicas just if your only interest is larping.

[Anonymous No.14565451]

>>14565423
Grand seiko replica

[Anonymous No.14565453]

>>14565252
Uniroincally a Casio Oceanus would make the trick quite ok.

[Anonymous No.14565455]

>>14565453
This anus looks better

[Anonymous No.14565456]

>>14565453
huhuhuhu anus

[Anonymous No.14565458]

>>14565450
Larping as a rich businessman or a rapper seems fun though

>>14565451
Do they even make those?

[Anonymous No.14565460]

>>14565455
no it loses titanium and any trace of personality

[Anonymous No.14565467]

>>14565460
>huhuhuhu
Titanium is shit for watches, only retards buy into that

[Anonymous No.14565480]

When a maaaaaaan loves a wriiiiiiiiiiiistwatch, can't keep his mind on nothing else. He'd trade the world for a good thing he's found. If it is baaaad, he can't seeee iiiiit. It can do no wrong. Turn his back on his best shitter, if it puts the new watch down.

When a maaaaaaan loves a wriiistwaaaaatch, spend his very last diiiime. Trying to hold ooon to what he needs. He'd give up aaaall his comforts, and sleep out in the raiiiin. If that's the way it has to be.

When a maaaan looooves a wriiistwaaaaaaaaaatch. Yeeeaaah. I give it eeeeeverythiiiing I've goooot. Oohhh ohhh. Tryin' to hoooold ooon to its precious love. Oh wristwatch, oh wristwatch, please don't treat me baaaaaaad.

Wheeen a maaaaaaaaaan looooooves a wriiiiiiiiiiiistwaaaaaaaaaaaatch deep down in his soooouuuul, it can bring him such misery. If it is playiiiin' him for a fooool, he's the last one to knoooow. Loving eyes can neeeeever seeeee.

Yes when a maaaaaaaaaaan *LOOOOOOOOOVES* a wristwatch, I know exactly how he feeeeels. 'Cause wristwatch, wristwatch, wristwaaaatch, I am a man. When a man loves a wristwatch. Ohhhhhh. When a man loves a wristwatch. Yeeeaahhhh yeah. When a man, when a maaaan, oohh, when a man loooooves a wristwatch. Yeeeaahhhh yeah. Oooh ooohh. Yeah.

[Anonymous No.14565487]

>>14565467
no.. it's pretty good, weightless, literally half the reason to get an oceanus

[Anonymous No.14565489]

>>14565480
it gets funnier the more you post it

[Anonymous No.14565490]

>>14565480
My Rollie don't tick tock, it just glide
Keep starin' at it and you might go blind

[Anonymous No.14565491]

>>14565467
t. never owned a titanium watch

[Anonymous No.14565500]

>>14565489
I agree.

[Anonymous No.14565501]

>>14565491
but I have and I consider titanium a negative.

[Anonymous No.14565523]

>>14565263
>being this entitled

[Anonymous No.14565543]

>>14565016
>>14565174

They don't understand just how much it costs to go down your career path. 65k was cheap as well, I know a friend who needed £125k in the UK. Most learn in the Raf or Military for a reason.

Go the cheap seiko rought, the guys right. Get the speedmaster later but navi is nice to, they are for different tastes but the speedmaster movement is pretty bulletproof. Rolex GMT would be good to but maybe not a first watch.

[Anonymous No.14565559]

where can i buy a rolex explorer 114270 for less than $7000 AUD

[Anonymous No.14565568]

>>14565559
Nowhere.
It's only worth half the asking price anyway, I wouldn't bother.

[Anonymous No.14565570]

>>14564868
lil stunner

[Anonymous No.14565587]

>>14563873
Late reply but yes, absolutely. A single sudden hit will damage the winding stem, but is you always at the end of the day set the watch on a hard surface crown down you can slowly blow out the keyless work. Now this was a problem in the old days, so I don't know how much modern movements, or quartz movements with somewhat flexible plastic mainplates will be affected.

Also fuck entire /wt/ for being devolved into a circlejerk of mindless consumer bugmen.

[Anonymous No.14565605]

>>14565587
I was about to answer it last thread, but by the time i woke up were up to a new thread.

If the crown is recessed there is a good chance that a light blow won't do much damage, especially if it's a screw down crown. However if the blow is hard enough to damage the threads it'll likely damage the movement nevertheless. I think the worst i've seen is the stem and crown threads breaking from a direct hit on a ceramic tile, alongside with both the crystal getting cracked and coil flying out of place.

Also in most cases keyless works on simple watches are some of the more solid pieces of the watch, though they rust the most frequently as that's the main ingress point.

[Anonymous No.14565656]

MY NEW GSHOCK OVERHANGS AND IT LOOKS RIDICULOUS ON MY WRIST BUT I LOVE THE WATCH

[Anonymous No.14565672]

>>14565020
>sinn wearers calling others autistic

[Anonymous No.14565827]

Does it bother Rolex owners that Tudor is proof that Rolex watches are highly overpriced?

About the same level of finish, and the case is even better finished on the tudor for some models. ETA or In-house Tudor movements are about as accurate and reliable as Rolex. None of the movements are decorated much at all, so there isn't much difference at all to speak of.

Different brand tho... So a rolex is like 2-3 times as expensive, but NOT 2-3 times better by any stretch of imagination. Which ultimately means that it's that much overpriced for what it is.

[Anonymous No.14565836]

>>14565827
its like every hobby you dumb faggot. once you reach a certain price point you back up against diminishing returns. is rolex obviously better than tudor in every single way? yes, no one would argue against that. is it 3x better quality-wise? probably not.

[Anonymous No.14565844]

>>14565827
Its like everything; a road bike that weights 10% less can easily be twice the price.

[Anonymous No.14565853]

>>14565836
But it's not obviously better in anything but the movement, and even that isn't particularly better. It might be slightly better in some ways but the finishing is about the same, the material is the same, same factory and build. Dial might be better or more exclusive on most rolexes tho. But it's not very obvious at all that Rolex is better specs for specs and material/quality-wise. They SHOULD be almost the same price when you ignore brand recognition. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are paying a LOT more for just the brand, and maybe a couple of minor differences in quality.

[Anonymous No.14565859]

>>14565844
Everything isn't really like that. Some things are. Most things aren't, because with most things people are not willing to pay twice as much or three times as much for almost the same. People are with Rolex tho, because it¨s Rolex.

[Anonymous No.14565861]

>>14565827
I'll buy tudor when they drop the retarded snowflake hands and they go back to the rose logo

[Anonymous No.14565865]

>>14565861
Snowflake hands are ugly as fuck, yes

[Anonymous No.14565876]

>>14565853
the movement is definitely better, its not even close.

>finishing is about the same
no. its literally not even close.

>material is the same
no. even if you are talking about SS, it is completely different.

>same factory and build
no. not anymore.

>dial might be better
it is.

>you are paying a LOT more for just the brand
sure. again, diminishing returns.

dont get me wrong i like tudor, i own a pelagos, but you are off base with a lot.

[Anonymous No.14565895]

has there ever been anything better?

[Anonymous No.14565904]

>>14565876
>the movement is definitely better, its not even close.
Yes it's very close. 1 or 2 seconds per 24h difference maybe, both will keep excellent time forever, highly reliable and cheap to service. It's about the same. You can't argue that the Rolex movement pounches much harder than a Tudor movement, you just can't, because the differences are almost non-existant, and defintely not meaningful to you unless you want to brag about that 1 second of difference (if you even have a second difference at all to speak of).

But ok, let me say this, even with the admittedly MINOR differences in quality, that are basically so minor that they are basically meaningless, you are still paying a SHIT load of money for just the brand, as you seem to agree on. Is it not kind of weird to think about how cucked people are with the brand recognition?

[Anonymous No.14565914]

>>14565895
Yes, plenty of divers on the market today are better made and better finished. The only thing that is particularly good with the sub compared to competitors, but not so much that it makes much difference, is the movement.

[Anonymous No.14565918]

>>14565914
The movement isn't the best either
Corrected that for you

[Anonymous No.14565923]

>>14565904
im not sure where i said the differences are MINOR, i did not say that and i do not agree with that. all i am saying is that there is not 2-3x the price in quality upgrades, but there is definitely substantial quality upgrade. it can only get so much better once you hit a certain price point, its called diminishing returns as i said. whether its worth it to get a watch that is ~30% better at 3x the price is a personal decision. this is the way it always goes.

a $20 bottle of wine is 10x better than a $5 bottle. however a $200 bottle is 15% better than a $20 bottle. is the $200 bottle worth it?

a $30k new car is 5x as good as a $15k new car, a $70k car is 20% better than a $30k car...is the $70k car worth it?

this is how consumerism works faggot

[Anonymous No.14565924]

>>14565914
>Yes, plenty of divers on the market today are better made and better finished.
such as? even so, the aesthetics, proporitions and overall design of the sub is bar none. thats just the way it is.

[Anonymous No.14565938]

>>14565923
You may not have said it, but the differences ARE minor.

[Anonymous No.14565941]

>>14565938
>t. butthurt poorfag who struggled to afford a fucking tudor

[Anonymous No.14565945]

>>14565895
FMD the maxicase is so ugly

[Anonymous No.14565953]

>>14565941
>hurr durr you must be a seething poorfag if you don't agree to be cucked by rolex prices

[Anonymous No.14565954]

>>14565938
youll eventually come around my friend. you are in the same cycle every watchboi goes through.

>get into watches
>wow rolex is so expensive why do people even buy these what a rip off lmao
>god so gay its so stereotypical and normie i am 2 quirky and unique for this brand
>ok maybe the designs really are pretty good
>ok well i guess they are sought after for a reason
>ok ok, they are perfection, i was just being a le quirky faggot

happened to me, happens to everybody, will happen to you.

[Anonymous No.14565960]

>>14565953
>being this much of a seething poorfag

[Anonymous No.14565970]

>>14565954
You are wrong, the part when someone "realizes" that Rolex is worth it after all, are just them being transformed by the watch enthusiast community. Enthusiasts are sheep and they tend to follow the opinion of the masses, just like everyone else is in most things in life. Rolex is doing great reputation-wise. And you are wrong about me on where I am in the cycle. I have been at the Rolex enthusiast state for many years. I still like Rolex. I don't hate them. I have owned Rolex too. I don't anymore. I am at a state where I don't care as much about watches anymore (I still care some of course), and I just think to myself, why the fuck do we pay that much more for a Rolex when alternatives aren't much, if any, lesser? I know the branding is the reason, but most people don't want to admit it. The best example to prove this point is GS. Shit brand, but much better watch in almost all respects. Price on the product is based on the brand.

[Anonymous No.14565974]

>>14565970
k

[Anonymous No.14565975]

[Anonymous No.14565993]

>>14565970
hi craig

[Anonymous No.14565996]

>>14565970
So thinking about GS, do they have any mechanical watches that match the 2spd spec that Rolex has? If so, how much do they cost?

[Anonymous No.14566000]

>>14565970
can you imagine literally typing out these words

just lmao. absolutely seething

[Anonymous No.14566001]

>>14565970
perfect, absolutely perfect. thanks for the new pasta anon

[Anonymous No.14566051]

>>14565672
But I don't have a sinn, how did you come to that conclusion? Oh right, the autism.

[Anonymous No.14566054]

The pros and cons of vintage watches? (Omega/Rolex)

[Anonymous No.14566059]

>>14566054
Good brands for cheap.
Outdated movements and expensive servicing.

[Anonymous No.14566060]

>>14566054
pro: some people think they look pretty cool.

con: everything else. they are old, fragile,and expensive to own

[Anonymous No.14566061]

Guys, I'm 18 and just finished my summer job, looking for my first watch.
It doesn't have to be a chronograph, don't really care.
My budged is about 100$,
It can be quartz, something to go with sharp casual clothing. Leather strap prefered.
I very much like the style of the watch on the picture.

[Anonymous No.14566065]

>>14566061
Save up some more and buy a seiko.

[Anonymous No.14566068]

>>14566065
The one in the picture is 70$ tho. I can buy it. Is there anything else you can recommend, though? I'd like to consider more options before buying it.

[Anonymous No.14566083]

>>14565904
my F91W gains 0.025 spd

[Anonymous No.14566098]

I am thinking about becoming a gun slinger.

What watch would you recommend?

These are the types of themes that follow me around everywhere I go to give you a better idea of what my daily life is like.

https://youtu.be/mLXQltR7vUQ

https://youtu.be/AFa1-kciCb4

https://youtu.be/999RqGZatPs

https://youtu.be/6MZw_Iv0wdU

[Anonymous No.14566101]

>>14566098
what the fuck are you talking about anon

[Anonymous No.14566116]

>>14566101

I seek to live by the way of the gun

[Anonymous No.14566122]

>>14566116
a Sinn comes to mind

[Anonymous No.14566127]

>>14566122

[Anonymous No.14566172]

why cant grand seiko fucking get it right? great quality, amazing finishing and just shit fucking shitter designs. fucking shit for real it looks like the watch a redditor who moon lights as a graphic designer would wear what a fucking piece of shit

[Anonymous No.14566189]

>>14566122
>a sinn comes to mind

[Anonymous No.14566193]

>>14566172
They really need to make one with a blue dial

[Anonymous No.14566199]

>>14566193
theyve done that and its still disgusting. the shape of the hands is disgusting, the hour markers are disgusting, their text is disgusting, the case shape is disgusting,the bracelets are disgusting, they just cant get anything right

[Anonymous No.14566210]

>>14566199
spring drive and titanium?

[Anonymous No.14566215]

>>14566189

Multiple sinns come to mind

[Anonymous No.14566218]

>>14566215
And they all are perfect

[Anonymous No.14566220]

>>14565970
>>14565996
Please respond

[Anonymous No.14566224]

>>14566215
>>14566218

[Anonymous No.14566226]

>>14566224

damn, Gay Seiko truly is a lifestyle on its own

[Anonymous No.14566229]

>>14565996
Spring drive watches are 1spd according to Seiko. You can get one for well under $5k.

[Anonymous No.14566257]

What are the best dive watches ever in terms of function, aesthetics, and history? No Sinn or Rolex, already know those.

[Anonymous No.14566259]

>>14566215
>>14566218

[Anonymous No.14566263]

>>14566098
Some kind of pocket watch.

[Anonymous No.14566267]

>>14566257
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms.

[Anonymous No.14566271]

>>14566257
Omega Sealord

[Anonymous No.14566276]

>>14566267
this

>>14566271
kys

[Anonymous No.14566281]

>>14566257
Citizen Aqualand JP2000

[Anonymous No.14566286]

whats a good comfy autumn/winter watch for the coming season?

[Anonymous No.14566287]

>>14566286
>seasonal watches
What in tarnation?

[Anonymous No.14566294]

>>14566287
my local habitat is 90% overcast/raining

[Anonymous No.14566296]

>>14566287
cosplay gunslinger bro pls

[Anonymous No.14566305]

>>14565827
>Does it bother Rolex owners that Tudor is proof that Rolex watches are highly overpriced?
Does it bother you that you're poor?

[Anonymous No.14566327]

>>14566257
JLC master compressor diving

[Anonymous No.14566340]

>>14566305
Never been poor in my life

[Anonymous No.14566372]

Tudors are all ugly compared to classy clean Rolex designs which makes the whole thing a non-argument. The hour hands alone is a disqualifier.

[Anonymous No.14566375]

>>14566286
Not that nasty chink shitter

[Anonymous No.14566381]

>>14566286
What phone did you use to capture this? Really good looking photo.

[Anonymous No.14566389]

>>14566372
>le snowflake hands XD!!
THEY LOOK FUCKING GLOBULAR AND DISGUSTING KYS TUDORFAGS!!!

[Anonymous No.14566396]

>>14565954
This but I’ll add I was never into modern Rolex. The vintage pieces are what attracted me but finding a good matte dial sub with original dial and hands was difficult. Not to mention that 5512 and Red 1680 prices skyrocketed. This led me to take another look at modern Rolex since what I wanted was an everyday watch that I could actually take on dives. Not something I’d have to baby like a red 1680. After seeing and holding the modern sub up close I decided to go for it. No ragrets. The newer bracelet is awesome and the latest 3135 movements are proven tanks.

[Anonymous No.14566401]

>>14566396
mad jelly of that hulk friendo

[Anonymous No.14566431]

Along with the watch that I am looking for, I would probably be wearing a Cutter or Gambler.

[Anonymous No.14566434]

>>14566431
Wear a Gamer instead

[Anonymous No.14566439]

>>14566434
if i had a genuine konstantin chaykin i would post it here every day

[Anonymous No.14566442]

>>14566257
Vostok Amphibia

[Anonymous No.14566506]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bEZBEaTSss

Identify this watch please, you can see it well in the last few seconds.

[Anonymous No.14566513]

>>14566434
That'd be a great watch for working at a carnival.

[Anonymous No.14566529]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAloneDating/comments/cs40v5/27_f4r_clearing_out_yesterdays_wrong_impression/

>PS : I am a watch connoisseur. I have recently bought my first hublot. If you are a watch person, we are going to be best friends.

Found you a gf /wt/, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.14566570]

>>14566529
>connoisseur
>hublot

[Anonymous No.14566597]

>>14566434
if you want a clown watch, get a Seiko

[Anonymous No.14566615]

What watch would fit best into a metalhead outfit ?

[Anonymous No.14566651]

>>14565827
Wtf are you smoking, tudor finishing is trash. Omega latest models fit and finish blow them out of the water. Not to mind rolexs, you need to handle the and not watch them on youtube

[Anonymous No.14566653]

[Anonymous No.14566655]

>>14566529
>27
too old

[Anonymous No.14566729]

>>14566651
I agree 100% on the last bit, but I still think tudor and rolex is very close in finish.

[Anonymous No.14566750]

>>14566434
Image having a dedicated halloween watch.

[Anonymous No.14566758]

>>14566068
depends
silver / steel might be more applicable than gold, particularly if you wear those tones elsewhere (necklace, earring, belt buckle, etc.)
silver+black strap might look generic compared to a bolder gold+leather, but it will tie more fits together and in general makes for a better all-around fitmaker / compliment
i saved getting a gold tone watch for my second, although I went with the gold band because I'm gaudy it still compliments earth tones well

[Anonymous No.14566801]

So I mend Seikos and my favourite daily, an A134, has really stiff buttons.
Any idea on what to do? Oil?

[Anonymous No.14566803]

>>14566801
didn't expect to see a man of supreme fucking taste itt
can't help you but i wish you the best

[Anonymous No.14566810]

>>14566801
Wild guess: if the buttons have O-rings, consider replacing them.

[Anonymous No.14566826]

>>14566801
silicone grease

[Anonymous No.14566829]

>>14566803
>>14566810
Someone suggested the circuit bridge needs to be re-bent but the buttons are stiff even without the circuit being connected.
>>14566826
Should I ask the local watch serviceman to do that? All I ever touch is the crystals/screens, bands, pins

[Anonymous No.14566850]

>>14566829
>Should I ask the local watch serviceman to do that? All I ever touch is the crystals/screens, bands, pins

Assuming what were talking about is general button stiffness and not contact issues with the circuit, you might as well try it yourself. I haven't done it with any old Seiko chronographs but i did so on some old Landeron chrono and this couple of the 3133's i had a few years ago.

Silicone grease acts like lubricant for o-rings, and usually works fine for metal pushers even if they don't have any o-rings. I might have a few pictures of the Landeron pushers since it did have ancient o-rings that were in good enough shape to be left alone. You might as well ask the serviceman, though i suspect even a small dose of WD-40 might help.

[Anonymous No.14566865]

>>14566850
Yeah, it's not contact issues. I can't see any o-rings but I'm sure your suggestion is spot on. I've got a work meeting in town so I'll ask the nearby watch place for a quick $10 job.
I really appreciate your help anons, should've asked earlier.
I've got a silver A134 arriving tomorrow that I bought just for the spring bar as its something like 1.25mm. It's got a broken circuit so I might be replacing that and I'll have one of each colour then.

[Anonymous No.14566882]

>>14566865
I've always been interested in these early digitals, though never quite found one that was good enough to pull the trigger,

Might try to get a nice A158 from eBay or a bundle off Yahoo.jp again.

[Anonymous No.14566897]

>>14566882
I like the A158. Obviously quite similar to my A134s.
Pic related is what I truly desire. Didn't even realise it was in Aliens until I was looking on Ebay. Can't be fucked with a G757 because they're easily a couple of hundred.
Never checked out Yahoo JP though!

[Anonymous No.14566900]

>>14566897
Forgot image - Seiko Pulsemeter

[Anonymous No.14566912]

>>14566897
>>14566900
I'd get a G757 in a heartbeat if the better examples weren't so overpriced. Though if you're looking for the funky stuff search for one of the Citizen ana-digi's with the temperature sensor. (898X movement family)

[Anonymous No.14566920]

>>14565827
I love Tudor but it's nowhere near Rolex. I know this place is full of retards who whine about Rolex but lol no. With that said buy and wear your Tudor with pride, the retards here who will shit on it wear slav or nip trash

[Anonymous No.14566936]

>>14566803
>supreme taste
>that
cull yourself, nerd

[Anonymous No.14566941]

>>14566936
lol get bent dork

[Anonymous No.14566948]

>>14566912
Will do, I'm about to head off to bed - nightshift life.
Pic related is my Mortima. My favourite non-Seiko that I own. Thermo is a bit unreliable though. Weird stuff is my jam.

[Anonymous No.14566961]

>>14566948
retard

[Anonymous No.14566979]

>>14566948
Why delete it? Apart from it being ugly as fuck and you being a seiko autist, makes no sense to delete it

[Anonymous No.14567068]

>>14566061
What about "Orient 3 star" white dial with leather strap? It's automatic and cheap, you can find them between 50-100$

[Anonymous No.14567075]

>>14566193

[Anonymous No.14567143]

>>14567075
laughable

[Anonymous No.14567355]

>>14567075
not spring drive

[Anonymous No.14567369]

>>14564803
Is nixon /fa/ or casio is the only way

[Anonymous No.14567377]

>>14567369
This is better

[Anonymous No.14567389]

>>14567377
looking for a gold one if possible, all my shit is silver/grey

would also like some inspo, to pair with a gold watch

[Anonymous No.14567396]

>>14567389

[Anonymous No.14567473]

>>14565970

fuck it, i'll give you a clap, yeb!

[Anonymous No.14567484]

>>14567355
who cares? spring dive is for faggots and that watch is still ugly as sin

[Anonymous No.14567499]

>>14567484
JESUS CHRIST GS IS YET TO MAKE EVEN A SLIGHTLY ATTRACTIVE WRIST WATCH FUCKING SHIT !!!!

[Anonymous No.14567512]

>>14567499
>>14567499
Plenty of good watches out there. No idea why you want a soiko so badly considering they unironically want thousands for that ugly shit

[Anonymous No.14567517]

>>14567512
did you even read my post you complete faggot? jesus christ what a fucking retard lmao

[Anonymous No.14567534]

Hey /wt/ people, i need a little help, my brother give me this watch and Say yo me that if i can fixded i cand get The watch, first of all, i don't now if this is a true Casio, so... Some one can helpme telling me if this is a true Casio tough solar?

[Anonymous No.14567540]

/k/fa/

[Anonymous No.14567542]

>>14567534
Stupid clover

[Anonymous No.14567550]

>>14567517
Yes, according to your post you're upset that they haven't made a good looking watch yet which means you're upset they don't have one. Only someone who wants one would be upset over that shit
Now kys and hold that L, retard

[Jordache No.14567552]

>>14566098

sundial, par'ner

[Jordache No.14567554]

>>14566215

what about your dad's? you know.....

[Anonymous No.14567555]

>>14567542
Looks like an AQ-S800W-1B2

[Anonymous No.14567563]

>>14567555
>AQ-S800W-1B2

no, no, no it's an AQ-S1800W-1B2.001

[Anonymous No.14567572]

>>14567550
>i dont want good looking watches
wtf you retard lmao. iw ant every manufacturer to make attractive watches, so does nearly everyone you mentally disabled faggot. unfortunately only a few have been able to pull it off and GS is far from being one of them.
how does it feel to have actual autism?

[Anonymous No.14567577]

>>14567572
Go back to middle school. You clearly didn't think through what you typed and are desperate now because you can't put in words and be clear about what you actually want to say. Be glad it happened on the internet because if it hadn't IRL you would be humiliated for the imbecile you are.
Keep with the meme replies, brain dead idiot

[Anonymous No.14567578]

>>14567555
>>14567563
Oh shit, i'm so dum, yeah that code it's in The back, looks like it's a real one, thats a good one

[Anonymous No.14567584]

>>14567577
wow. this is genuinely sad to read. im so sorry you are so completely braindead, as if you actually knew how to read, you would see my post says exactly what i just explained to you. i would tell you to kys in a jesty kind of internet way but now i honestly feel like you might do it. so sorry my friend, hope things turn around for you

i hope your chinese casio is treating you well.

[Anonymous No.14567592]

>>14567584
>Is too stupid to express himself in word
>posts a watch he likely owns as an "insult"
Keep at it, sugar

[Anonymous No.14567600]

>>14567578
Update, i search and looks like this is a AQ-S1800W 1E

[Anonymous No.14567604]

>>14567600

AQ-S800W-1B2.E.e

[Anonymous No.14567685]

>no manual wind amphibia that is as thin as a komandirskie while retaining the 200m water resistance
why even keep on going bros?

[Anonymous No.14567694]

>>14564807
Peegay

[Anonymous No.14567715]

>>14565914
If I was doing actual diving, I'd want some with a much more substantial dial and hands, and a locked down crown on the left side.

[Anonymous No.14567739]

>>14566172
This.
I would pay 15k right now for a GS with a royal Oak design and a spring drive movement.

Design at GS is shit! their new 2019 sports line is clown tier large, they need more 37-41mm steel sports.

[Anonymous No.14567798]

Would a perfect sport ever be made?

>Tudor
beta onions shitter
Black Bay has no date and fake rivets bracelet is reddit tier shit

>Sinn
beta onions shitter

>Omega
le speedy xD I like #speedytuesday because I study engineering and a nerd oh did I tell you it went to the moon? NASA FLIGHT QUALIFIED am I right guys ..oh and pls take it off on a rainy day
Planet Ocean 8900 too blingy to a point I can't even ready the fucking dial at all and the earlier seamaster powered by a 2500 shitty reliability movement

>Breitling
bling bling no fuck off

>Panerai
bad decision and regrets your constant companion, why not also wear it on a wrist?
italian engineering level mine field of in-house movement

>Seiko
this ugly mall brand now also comes with the most atrocious quality issues
Snowflake fucking sucks in person, titanium really ruined the watch feels insubstantial like chink shit from aliexpress

>ROWLECKS
116710LN has blingy polished center link, clearly pandering to mainland communist chinks
16570 explorer II feels flat as fuck could really benefit from another 2-3 mm height to feel proportioned
sub, everyone has one so lolno
explorer, air king and milgauss all hipster trash and no date
datejust either has PCL oyster or JINGLY JANGLY JUBILEE

[Anonymous No.14567814]

>>14567798

What's wrong with current Seamasters and ATs?

[Anonymous No.14567820]

>>14567814

The laser etch dial, reeses peanut butter cup He escape crown isn't going to age well at all

Also any watch whose main marketing ploy is a connection with hollywood or let you cosplay is more beta onions crap

[Anonymous No.14567823]

>>14567798
cringe

[Anonymous No.14567828]

>>14567798
Too negative. Watches isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.14567830]

>>14567798
>Perfect sports
AP Royal oak

[Anonymous No.14567838]

Are there any digital watches with varied or unique features that aren't smartphone OS garbage?

[Anonymous No.14567845]

>>14567838
https://www.amazon.com/Casio-Mens-CA53W-1-Calculator-Watch/dp/B000GB1R7S

[Anonymous No.14567846]

>>14567820
Don't know about no Hollywood, I just think ATs are genuinely attractive and it's not a style I see often. I guess there's the "homage" through Seagull, but I don't know anything about that company. Like with Daytonas, Datejusts, or Subs, you can find a dozen companies that replicate the look close enough.

As for sports watch, be a man and wear a Reverso.

[Anonymous No.14567852]

What watches do you think Aniki would've worn?

[Anonymous No.14567875]

>>14567852
you can't really fist someone if you're wearing a watch, you might lose it in their anus

[Anonymous No.14568077]

Should I get the Tudor 36?

[Anonymous No.14568133]

>>14567875
Why would you just both hands?

[Anonymous No.14568142]

>>14568077
No

[Anonymous No.14568154]

>>14568142
Why what's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.14568185]

Do any of you guys wear your watches while you sleep? What about while you shower?

[Anonymous No.14568188]

>>14568185
yes, no
my soiko 5 needs all the help it can get to maintain a power reserve

[Anonymous No.14568193]

>>14568154
It looks like a shitty explorer knock-off

[Anonymous No.14568235]

>>14568193
It doesnt.

[Anonymous No.14568243]

>>14564868
Well done, Thiccobro.

[Anonymous No.14568245]

https://youtu.be/_rxL3MQlRoM?t=192

Seiko confirmed high-test timepiece.

[Anonymous No.14568246]

>>14568185
No, yes. Unless on leather straps.

[Anonymous No.14568250]

buenoas dias sinnores

[Anonymous No.14568260]

>>14566098
>>14566116
no clue what you're talking about, anon
but you're pretty based

[Anonymous No.14568272]

>>14564901
Sorry, but all Swiss watches are shitters and marketed to retard normies who don't know anything about watches. Horology peaked with the Slava tank.

[Anonymous No.14568309]

>>14568154
Its dial doesn't match at all

[Anonymous No.14568319]

>>14567685
Take the rotor off and put a thinner caseback on

[Anonymous No.14568324]

[Anonymous No.14568325]

>>14568077
boomer watch for boomers that are too poor to buy a Rolex

[Anonymous No.14568333]

Are there any respectable/recognizable military-style watches? I'd get a Rolex but I don't want to look like an old boomer.

[Anonymous No.14568363]

>>14568333
>>14568250

[Anonymous No.14568391]

>>14567540
Replace the lunette you mongol. It's around 10 bucks on ebay.

[Anonymous No.14568392]

>>14566286
Finally someone with good taste

[Anonymous No.14568411]

>>14568363
I mean a real watch, that just looks like a wall clock?

[Anonymous No.14568427]

Who the fuck is shilling Sinn, they are a garbage brand. Overpriced muh tool watch, fit and finish is just okay, like £500 micro brand tier. Watching to much youtube "urban", he like Seiko to so that says everything.

The only mid tier German watch brand you should be buying is Stowa.

[Anonymous No.14568432]

>>14568427
"Fit and finish" are Zionist buzzwords to peddle overpriced crap

[Anonymous No.14568438]

>>14564868
>>14568243

Never been a fan of the case shape

[Anonymous No.14568441]

>>14567798
>date

[Anonymous No.14568443]

>>14568432
Well anyway you look at it, Sinn watchs look like shit and feel like shit. Hows that for buzz words "look shit feel shit" £1000 for a seiko teir bracelet!

[Anonymous No.14568502]

>>14566172
>I don't like X because it's for Y type of person
Imagine being so cucked your whole life was based around which labels you do or don't attach to yourself. Literal snowflake feminist faggot mentality

[Anonymous No.14568534]

>>14568443
>>14568432
>>14568427
>>14568411

it's okay we bros we all gonna make it

one day you can afford a real watch too

[Anonymous No.14568542]

>>14568534
That looks much better, what's the chrono precision though? Doesn't seem like it has a dial for 1/10s or anything?

[Anonymous No.14568552]

>>14568534
I have good watchs, sub, reverso, speedy. That Sinn with it's fake fucking luma looks like shit because if it and a 30 minute and 60 minute chrono are a joke. Drive bezel on a chrono, don't even start me.

One of you fags bought a Sinn and that's all we seen now sinn sinn sinn Nd they as trash watchs.

[Anonymous No.14568556]

>>14567604
>>14567600
More good news, i put The watch under solar light and looks like it's charging ir someting, now it's in that mode, but at The same time a butom it's not working, later i gona open The watch to see if i can do someting

[Anonymous No.14568557]

>>14568552
A-are you okay? Should we call an ambulance?

[Anonymous No.14568585]

>>14568411

you can go full stolen-valor-core with Sinn too. They are official suppliers for German special forces

[Anonymous No.14568592]

>>14567798
Perfect sports watch?
Vacheron Constantin 37mm overseas
Rolex oyster perpetual 34/46mm

[Anonymous No.14568675]

>>14568427
>Stowa
At least sinn make their own cases and didn't buy shit from china. Fuck stowa really jorg schauer is a fucking shady jew.

[Anonymous No.14568681]

/fa/

I am broke and i need a watch that is reliable and also good looking, should i get a Casio A158 or a Casio A168 ?

[Anonymous No.14568695]

>>14568675
not true

>>14568681
get a job

[Anonymous No.14568701]

>>14568534
Sinn is garbage compared to Damasko

[Anonymous No.14568728]

Post underrated or overlooked watches

[Anonymous No.14568751]

>>14568681
A158 has a shitty micro led backlight
A168 has an electroluminescent backlight

[Anonymous No.14568756]

[Anonymous No.14568807]

>>14568333
bro just google military watches

[Anonymous No.14568812]

>tfw small wrist
never realised it but my left wrist is pretty small, got a watch with a leather strap and it keeps sliding down my wrist even when I've got it on as tight as possible

[Anonymous No.14568822]

>>14568812
What is your circumference?

[Anonymous No.14568838]

>>14568701
show me 1 (words: one) good damasko watch

[Anonymous No.14568901]

>>14568838
Literally any of them. And all their materials tech comes on their entry level $1100 models instead of $1700+ for Sinn. Not to mention through-hardened steel is superior to surface coated ‘tegimented’ steel, and Sinn had all their cases made by Damasko until recently

[Anonymous No.14568911]

>>14568807
Yeah but they're all some random brands that no one knows.

[Anonymous No.14568918]

>>14568911
bro you're being retarded

[Anonymous No.14568920]

>>14568901
I just wish they would hire a graphic designer for one afternoon and acquire a proper logo

Something like the DIN D would be perfect

[Anonymous No.14568937]

>>14568681
I'd your that broke, don't bother. You need the money more. Use your phone. Just get a g shock square if you have to, last you a lifetime

[Anonymous No.14568940]

>>14568756
Fieldwatch... 30m..... best hope it doesn't rain

[Anonymous No.14568941]

>>14568756
ready for a fecal displacement procedure

[Anonymous No.14568991]

>>14565156
>>14565166
Second for Presage. I think I'm going to buy one right before I start law school so I look professional to normies without breaking the bank.

[Anonymous No.14568997]

Any modern chronos that look like this but have proper water resistance and screw down pushers and all that?

[Anonymous No.14569059]

>>14568901
too bad their nicer models are not in the current lineup

[Anonymous No.14569131]

>>14568324
Is that real or did you just photoshop it for some weird reason?

[Anonymous No.14569181]

>>14568325
Most boomers don't consider Tudor to be nothing but a shitter tier Rolex. It's the millennials who fell for the marketing.

[Anonymous No.14569196]

>>14568675
The Shinn shill is losing his cool. Fuck off, Shinn shill

[Anonymous No.14569217]

>>14568756
Racing tropic rubber strap and 30m quartz field watch. Nature's way of signalling danger.

[Anonymous No.14569221]

>>14568333
There is one, the IW500901.

[Anonymous No.14569264]

>>14568997
Looks better than any s*nn chrono

[Anonymous No.14569305]

>>14568592
I got excited with that VC, but it's over my budget.

[Anonymous No.14569315]

>>14566267
That's the one

[Anonymous No.14569327]

>>14569305
Get a rep

[Anonymous No.14569334]

>>14568997
Short answer: yes. Long answer: out of production.

wr 200m

[Anonymous No.14569338]

Don't get all the Sinn hate on here. I've only worn two watches regularly, a Sinn 856 and a Rolex GMT Master Pepsi and I've never found the Sinn lesser or deficient in any regard save for flash.

[Anonymous No.14569343]

>>14569334
Did you post the wrong pic by accident?

[Anonymous No.14569345]

>>14569338
it's only guy who happens to sell soikos on ebay lmao

[Anonymous No.14569351]

>>14569343

Maybe? Maybe not. Wake up!

[Anonymous No.14569356]

>>14569334
Something about weekday display watches with the days in German is very sexy to me.

[Anonymous No.14569362]

>>14569351
That one is much better, link?

[Anonymous No.14569370]

>>14569356
>>14569351

Worry not, Sinn has got you covered (at least on the grey market)

[Anonymous No.14569373]

>>14569362
It's called the 'Modell 103 Klassik' and it's not in their current line up (which is a shame)

[Anonymous No.14569380]

>>14569370
Is the big hand the second hand for the chrono? This looks almost perfect, post ref and back please.

[Anonymous No.14569391]

>>14569380

"Modell 103 A Sa"

[Anonymous No.14569396]

>>14569380
>Is the big hand the second hand for the chrono?
>>14569391

I'd go with yes

[Anonymous No.14569433]

I nead a beater watch. Is this bad boy worth it?

[Anonymous No.14569441]

>>14568728

[Anonymous No.14569455]

>>14569441
Why does this look like 10 times more expensive than >>14569370

[Anonymous No.14569470]

>>14566098
Holy shit son you have been playing too much rdr2.

Also, are you me? Check this out for more inspo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpghQf6RSz4

[Anonymous No.14569472]

>>14569455
>

(not to mention that it really is 10x more expensive)

[Anonymous No.14569480]

>>14569472
How much is it? It just has a really expensive look to it but I can't define why.

[Anonymous No.14569482]

>>14569455
Because it actually is.

[Anonymous No.14569483]

>>14569373
>it's not in their current line up
How often do they come up with new stuff? Is it every year or every few years or what? Maybe there will be something similar soon?

[Anonymous No.14569505]

>>14569483
not an expert, but they do release roughly 5-10 new models every year

[Anonymous No.14569507]

>>14569480
$14-17K depending the case (steel vs ceramic). You get a in-house flyback chrono with a vertical clutch and column wheel that you can actuate underwater without worrying about water ingress.

[Anonymous No.14569513]

>>14569507
>$14-17K
That's ridiculous, you can get 3 Rolexes for that.

[Anonymous No.14569533]

>>14569513
Blancpain mogs rolex

[Anonymous No.14569534]

>>14569513
3 vintages datejusts or any modern steel piece on the gray market.

[Anonymous No.14569539]

New thread

>>14569535


>>14569535
>>14569535

[Anonymous No.14569561]

>>14569534
>>14569533
LOL

[Anonymous No.14569563]

>>14569539
2 posts early

[Anonymous No.14569568]

>>14569563

[Anonymous No.14569690]

SKX013

[Anonymous No.14569930]

>>14565453
honestly I love this but I wish Casio would give their Oceanus range its own independent branding a remove Casio markings from it entirely. Not that there's something necessarily wrong with Casio, but on a $500 watch saying Casio kinda cheapens it imo

[Anonymous No.14570011]

Looking for a new watch to celebrate finishing uni and getting a job. Roughly $1000 USD budget. Looking for something versatile; could be a diver, flight watch, or anything else as long as it's not too dressy or too "tooly". Also not a big fan of chronos. Preferably 39-42mm case.

Right now I'm looking at:
CW C60 Trident Pro
Visitor Vale Park Officer
Sinn 556 or 104

Any suggestions are appreciated.

[Anonymous No.14570461]

>>14569513
How much do you think you're paying for VC, PP, Breguet, Piaget, or AL&S? Rolex is like standard Swiss luxury, and then you have super luxury.