/wt/ - Watch Thread [Patek Perfection Edition]

[Anonymous No.13967538]

This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a functioning timepiece.

> Required viewing for new people:
https://youtu.be/XvLhJamAjAs

> Used watch guide:
https://pastebin.com/f44aJKy2

> Strap guide:
https://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

> watch essentials 102:
https://pastebin.com/Rc77hhXV

>Previous thread: >>13964856

[Anonymous No.13967557]

[Anonymous No.13967565]

>>13967557
Oh god, wait until the GS psychos gets a hold of this pic

[Anonymous No.13967599]

>>13967538
Why do we need all this thread spam? Get a fucking grip loser

>>13967557
Can't imagine people paying thousands for this, fucking horrendous, my skx has better finishing than that.
"Hand crafted art" my ass, they are just fucking people over with marketing, they are worse than fucking DW

[Anonymous No.13967608]

>>13967557
Source of this image? This looks like some 50 year old patek. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.13967610]

>>13967599
>my skx
lol Stop reading right there. Kys

[Anonymous No.13967611]

>>13967608
It is indeed a vintage Patek

[Anonymous No.13967613]

>>13967611
Good to know.

[Anonymous No.13967615]

>>13967610
>lol
stopped reading there, kys pajeet

[Anonymous No.13967624]

>>13967615
trash comeback

[Anonymous No.13967704]

>>13967615
Ironically, your response shows that you did read the rest of anon's post, you mongol.

[Anonymous No.13967722]

Is there anything cringier than people who obsess over a singular brand and feel a desperate need to shit on every other brand as a result?

[Anonymous No.13967731]

why the fuck are there like 3 watch threads up

[Anonymous No.13967789]

>>13967731
This is why we got kicked off /g/

[Anonymous No.13967832]

>>13967789
Not really. That was actually the beads and Tudorfags blacked posting, and his constant reporting of his own beads and blacked posting.

[Anonymous No.13967863]

>>13967722

Tudor.

[Anonymous No.13968142]

Happy new year, guys.
I wish you all an horological gf in 2019.

[Anonymous No.13968288]

Wrist(let) check

[Anonymous No.13968393]

New based Williams
https://youtu.be/-Umdb91Rzfo

[Anonymous No.13968418]

What is he wearing?

[Anonymous No.13968430]

>>13968418

[Anonymous No.13968446]

>>13968393
Isn't this the guy who bankrupted himself destroying an Air-King he didn't even pay for yet, and so went from reviewing Omega, Tudor and Breitling to Vostoks, Seiko, G-Shock and Steinhart?

[Anonymous No.13968458]

>>13968393
Yeah it is.
>based
Lol, this cuck flipped his entire collection to be able to buy the shittiest Rolex in the current line-up, second hand even, then let himself get distracted by the bitching wife and kid, leaving the watch on the roof of the car, that the original owner didn't even decide on selling yet. Then went on a Youtube crying like a bitch, LITERALLY crying (now deleted).

This fucking self-cucking loser is hardly what I'd call based. Even Archie makes better life decisions.

[Anonymous No.13968459]

>>13968446
kek hilarious if true

[Anonymous No.13968460]

>>13967565

[Anonymous No.13968469]

Is it ok to wear a Rolex Submariner with a suit at a wedding?

[Anonymous No.13968471]

>>13968459
Unfortunately it's deleted off the Internet, but it was pretty cringy.

[Anonymous No.13968473]

>>13968469

[Anonymous No.13968481]

>>13968446
How did he ruin the air king?

>tfw there are people who go bankrupt just because they have to pay for an air king, LOL.

[Anonymous No.13968485]

>>13968469
>>13968473
That's fucking disgusting. Get something like pic, or at least a buy a $60 Poljot from Ebay. Both are literally more respectable choices choices that a fucking Submariner.

>>13968481
Forgot the watch in the box on top of his car and drove off. Idiot flipped his entire collection, including a GS just to buy that.

[Anonymous No.13968487]

>>13968473
Those fucking guards tho

[Anonymous No.13968495]

>>13968469
It's ok, because people think it's cool nowadays, but if you want to be a little conservative and true to traditions, you should wear a dress watch.

[Anonymous No.13968497]

>>13968469
It's "ok" because normies dress horribly and Sub owners all love to LARP as James Bond, but it's not really ok.

>>13968473
Like this guy who likes his sleeves to be 6" too short.

[Anonymous No.13968510]

[Anonymous No.13968519]

ultimate watchpill

[Anonymous No.13968530]

>>13968519
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.13968540]

>>13968510
That's a render though, not a real watch. IRL they don't even come close to Seiko finishing.

[Anonymous No.13968548]

>>13968540
Literally perfection

[Anonymous No.13968560]

Got my grail

[Anonymous No.13968566]

>>13968560
Me too.

[Anonymous No.13968567]

>>13968560
Good for you. Hope it’ll bring you happiness in 2019.

[Anonymous No.13968571]

>>13968560

Nice.

[Anonymous No.13968576]

>>13968567
>>13968571
What the fuck? Where's my congrats?

[Anonymous No.13968606]

>>13968566
oof
https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0665/98/1530726398034.png
https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0652/64/1522124002430.jpg
https://i.warosu.org/g/thread/S66198971#p66205309
http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/87937690/#87956623

[Anonymous No.13968770]

>>13968606
Interracial anal sex.

[Anonymous No.13968788]

>when you open up the pic and see the second hand move a tiny bit

Just me?

[Anonymous No.13968792]

>>13968788
Seek help.

[Anonymous No.13968793]

Can’t believe we made it through the year.
Have a great party, guys.

[Anonymous No.13968805]

>>13968606

why even fucking bother with a tudor if you gonna get a fake? Get a rolex or a patek. or get a jlc or vacheron if you don't want to get attention

[Anonymous No.13968813]

>>13968805
It's not fake.

[Anonymous No.13968818]

pls r8

[Anonymous No.13968819]

Dude who was selling the Doxa Synchron on ebay, did you ever rescue it before it got sent out to that mudgook?

[Anonymous No.13968825]

>>13968818
Loosen the strapper and get off the crapper my bro

[Anonymous No.13968841]

>>13968788
Just your imagination

[Anonymous No.13968844]

>>13968818
can i have your arm after it dies off

[Anonymous No.13968848]

>>13968841
cheap watch desu

[Anonymous No.13968851]

>>13968848
Yeah I sold it a while ago, but I also sold my camera that shoots videos. Now I have one that shoots video again, but I haven't tried it.

[Anonymous No.13968856]

>>13968851
What do you have now

[Anonymous No.13968862]

>>13968856
Nikon D810. I just take photos, I don't care about video.

[Anonymous No.13968864]

>>13968844
i think i fucked up

[Anonymous No.13968872]

>>13968864
i reiterate, MAY i have your arm after it dies off like a skin tag

[Anonymous No.13969277]

>>13968818
Love the cum stains

[Anonymous No.13969316]

>>13968446
>>13968458
>>13968459
>>13968471
>>13968510

yes he made a video crying about it and asking for donations. People actually donated money and watches to him so i'm sure he more than made it back

some guy on reddit bought the destroyed watch off of him for $600 and has since fixed it up

https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/9r3bee/rolex_airking_road_rash_odb_update/

[Anonymous No.13969324]

>>13969316

[Anonymous No.13969341]

>>13969316
so he esentially spent around $3500 (not counting labor) to almost completely rebuild it and it still looks beat to shit.

was it worth it or should he have just bought a new one

[Anonymous No.13969354]

Alright /wt/, I'm a sperg with no sense of time and am in the market for my first watch - looking for:
>Everyday - Casual Wear
>Minimalist design
>A timer present with good sound

[Anonymous No.13969357]

>>13969316
Wow his favorite Rolex is the ugliest one in their current lineup? Then trashed it lol.

[Anonymous No.13969387]

>>13969354
>no budget

[Anonymous No.13969486]

>>13969354
Casio Gshock

[Anonymous No.13969661]

>>13969486
Why does this 5539 Patel have “EMAIL” on the dial? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYyE_CKBBTw

[Anonymous No.13969672]

>>13969661
It's a French word meaning enamel, it predates electronic mail. It means the watch has an enamel dial.

[Anonymous No.13969806]

Wrist check, post em.

[Anonymous No.13969907]

>>13968510
That actually made me lol

[Anonymous No.13969928]

>>13968818
go to gym

[Anonymous No.13969950]

What is the most sleazecore watch, /wt/?

How about these:
>Rolex Datejust / Day-Date / Sky-Dweller
>Casio A168WG
>70s vintage Seamaster

[Anonymous No.13969967]

>>13969950
i'd say a fucking yachtmaster in gold instead of skydweller desu

[Anonymous No.13969973]

>>13968458
>>13969316
>>13968471
You can still find the video of him crying and begging here:
https://vimeo.com/208759747

[Anonymous No.13969983]

a timeless classic.

[Anonymous No.13970012]

>>13969983
You fucked up, the timeless classic is an F-91w

[Anonymous No.13970016]

>>13970012
True connoisseurs know that the true timeless classic is the f-84w

[Anonymous No.13970051]

>>13970012
>>13970016
what's the big difference anyway

[Anonymous No.13970054]

>>13969983
>yachtmaste
>>13970012
>>13970016
>>13970051
which is the most effay?

[Anonymous No.13970059]

>>13970051
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Product-From-Japan-Casio-Standard-Digital-Watch-F-84W-1/123402541543

This is the oldest still in production digital watch which can be yours for only $15.
Production started in 1986 vs f91w on 1989.

[Anonymous No.13970068]

>>13970054
You have 24 hours to order one

[Anonymous No.13970095]

>>13970068
>>13970059
>>13970054
>>13970051
>>13970016
>>13970012
>>13969983

[Anonymous No.13970096]

>>13968473
>wearing a steel link with formal wear.
NO.

[Anonymous No.13970104]

>>13970054
A square G-shock

[Anonymous No.13970132]

What distinguishes a Seiko from a Grand Seiko? Both are so bland you can’t tell them apart

[Anonymous No.13970137]

>>13970132
>Both are so bland you can’t tell them apart
Only if you never held them side by side irl.
In person the difference is night and day.

[Anonymous No.13970138]

>>13970132
Why pay more for a Grand Seiko? Why even buy a Seiko?

[Anonymous No.13970141]

>>13969661
>>13969672

Always funny to me that enamel in watches is considered this fancy thing, when my main association with 'emaille' is cheap kitchen/camping stuff like pic related..

[Anonymous No.13970142]

>>13970138
Because the external finishing is better than even the finest upscale European brands (barring perhaps the microbrands like Voutilainen, Dufour, etc.)

[Anonymous No.13970157]

>>13970095

[Anonymous No.13970162]

>>13970142
Both of these watches look similar it doesn’t justify the cost >>13970138
>>13970132

[Anonymous No.13970164]

>>13970162
>Both of these watches look similar it doesn’t justify the cost
See >>13970137

[Anonymous No.13970166]

>>13970054
i'm actually digging this one to replace my F-91w

[Anonymous No.13970169]

>>13970162
>justify the cost

As opposed to what?

[Anonymous No.13970172]

>>13970169
You’re paying for a watch that says Seiko on the dial

[Anonymous No.13970174]

GOD TIER:
ArchieLuxury

OKAY TIER:
Watchfinder & Co.
Caseback Watches
Nick Shabazz

ANNOYING CVCK TIER:
Take Time w/ Patrick Marlett
Theo & Harris
The Modest Man

SUBVERSIVE JEW TIER:
The Time Teller
Federico Talks Watches
Roman Sharf
Marc Goldberg

BOOMER TIER:
Watch Repair Channel
Watch Time LA
Nutnfancy

BARGAIN BASEMENT TIER:
Teddy Bulbasaur
24 Hours At A Time
Just One More Watch
The Casual Watch Reviewer

SHIT TIER:
The Slender Wrist
Armand The Watch Guy
Perth WAtch

NASTY CHEAP FUCKER TIER:
The Urban Gentry

[Anonymous No.13970178]

>>13970172

You're saying people buy Grand Seiko's because they're in the market for anything that says 'Seiko' on the dial? If that's what you're saying I agree.. If you just want something to say 'Seiko' on the dial, there are certainly less expensive pieces that meet that requirement.

Something tells me that isn't why people buy them though.

[Anonymous No.13970179]

>night and day difference

[Anonymous No.13970182]

>>13970172
I guess the japs don't perceive brands the same way you do, and aren't ashamed to put a more working-class badge on top-end products. For example the arguably most luxurious personal limousine in japan isn't a lexus or rolls royce it's a toyota.

[Anonymous No.13970183]

>>13970179

What meme are you trying to push here, anon? That's neither side by side, nor IRL..

[Anonymous No.13970186]

>>13970157

[Anonymous No.13970190]

>>13970179
See >>13970183

Go hold them side by side irl.

[Anonymous No.13970191]

>>13970182
That’s why they’ll fail, they may do okay in their country’s market but by being known for shitters, it just won’t work. A watch person doesn’t graduate from affordable watches to Grand Seiko, they go Swiss.

[Anonymous No.13970194]

>>13970183
>>13970190
You can tell apart a shitter from a Rolex just by photos without having to see them irl. There’s nothing distinct between those two Seikos.

[Anonymous No.13970195]

>>13970191
>Seiko will fail
k

[Anonymous No.13970198]

>>13970194
>There’s nothing distinct between those two Seikos.
Until you hold them side by side irl.
Then the difference is night and day.

[Anonymous No.13970201]

>>13969967
exactly, sky-dweller is awesome

[Anonymous No.13970206]

>>13970198
Maybe.

[Anonymous No.13970207]

>>13970206
No. Not maybe.

[Anonymous No.13970209]

Grand Seiko is gap galore lmao

[Anonymous No.13970211]

>>13970209
basically Citizen

[Anonymous No.13970212]

>>13970194

>Rolex
eheheh


The most distinct difference between those two photos are the filters and sharpness by the way. Why you would use two non-macro fuzzy stock photo's to 'prove' your point is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.13970213]

>>13970191
>A watch person doesn’t graduate from affordable watches to Grand Seiko, they go Swiss.
That's an awfully broad generalization. Due to my mechanical background I certainly wouldn't pay significantly more for a european watch if I could get something just as good or better from the japs at a better price.

[Anonymous No.13970214]

>>13970209
Lol

[Anonymous No.13970218]

>>13970213
>just as good
cope harder faggot

[Anonymous No.13970219]

>>13970214
>>13970209
That's a mechanical GMT, it's many years old.
Bracelets start wearing out the second you put them on, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.13970220]

>>13970191
>Swiss

One of the most overrated stamps in the world though, mainly due to Yanks into thinking it's of superior quality just because it's 'Swiss'. Not just watches either, 'Swiss Chocolate' has a similar effect..

>>13970209

>Bracelet

Arguably not even part of the time piece tbqh.

[Anonymous No.13970224]

>>13970213
It’s not though, it says a lot when 9 out of 10 people’s attainable grails are Swiss and 9,5 out 10 grails are European.

[Anonymous No.13970230]

>>13970224
9 out of 10 people probably prefer hip hop orrap music to classical what's your point?

[Anonymous No.13970231]

>>13970220
>reddit spacing
your cluelessness is understandable

[Anonymous No.13970233]

The elephant’s in the fucking room. It has SEIKO on the dial and it’s a Japanese watch.

[Anonymous No.13970235]

>>13970224
Congrats for being like 9 out of 10 people, I guess.

[Anonymous No.13970238]

>>13970233
Two major upsides for anyone who knows anything about watches.

[Anonymous No.13970239]

>>13970231
>GRAND SEIKOOOO

[Anonymous No.13970242]

>>13970239
where in my post does it say I like Seiko?

[Anonymous No.13970243]

Money no object, are you going for a Swiss watch or a “Grand” Seiko?

[Anonymous No.13970246]

>>13970224

>9 out of 10 people don't think for themselves about crap and just do what the rest does

No shit. Still doesn't say anything about the inherent quality of things that have a 'Swiss' stamp on them.

>>13970231

>How DARE he use the enter key for which it is intented

Sure m8. You still haven't explained how stamping something 'Swiss' makes it magically better than anything else.


>>13970233

And?

[Anonymous No.13970248]

>>13970242
It’s for the reddit spacing guy

[Anonymous No.13970250]

>>13970233
Maybe you've led a sheltered life the japanese have a good reputation for all things mechanical engineering and watchmaking is largely mechanical engineering on a smaller scale. To underestimate them like european car and motorcycle manufacturers did is foolish.

[Anonymous No.13970251]

>>13970246
Yes it’s just a stamp just like there’s only one race, the human race! The Swiss stamp is just a social construct!

[Anonymous No.13970254]

>>13970246
>coping this hard for being a reddit spacing faggot
Just look at the watches lmao, japanese watches aren't even comparable in terms of quality ESPECIALLY for the price they ask for
>>13970248
that's still me bucko

[Anonymous No.13970255]

>>13970243

Grand Seiko because Spring Drive.

>Swiss

Why not German? Why are people in this thread so obsessed with the 'Swiss' stamp? Are you an American or something?

[Anonymous No.13970256]

>>13970254
The only interesting Japanese watches are Seiko Spring Drives. Nothing else.

[Anonymous No.13970259]

>>13970255
Apparently they've forgotten that swiss watches used to be the cheap alternative to the more established brands from france and england.

[Anonymous No.13970261]

>>13970259
>used to
Exactly. Not anymore.

[Anonymous No.13970262]

>>13970250
It all boils down to Seiko trying to break into the luxury market by introducing a luxury line. They can’t and won’t ever overcome the Swiss, no person would choose a Jap watch made by a brand known for cheap watches over a Swiss watch, even if you price them the same. Most likely, 75% of the luxury market are snobs and no snob would wear a watch with Seiko on it. This is just the truth.

[Anonymous No.13970263]

>>13970251

Yes, just a stamp. A stamp that means something, obviously, but still a stamp that says very little (or nothing) about inherent quality.

>>13970254

>Being this made at people pressing the enter key
I can kind of see how it triggers you, with your shift-key being defective and all.. Maybe you should buy a new Swiss Made keyboard, anon.

>The price they ask for
If it's worth it to you, get one. If it isn't, don't.. It really is that easy sometimes.

>>13970248

>Pressing enter is bad

Lmao at your entire life m80

[Anonymous No.13970266]

>>13970255
No, see my grails post “9,5 European watches” >>13970224

[Anonymous No.13970267]

>>13970263
>seething
You are pathetic in all aspects.

[Anonymous No.13970268]

>>13970261
The point is things change. The japanese are in a similar position to the swiss of yesterday.
>>13970262
I'm a snob and I'd definitely get a grand seiko or even a regular seiko.

[Anonymous No.13970269]

>>13970262

>It's all marketing, fluff, memes, prestige, trends, snobbery and Americans that think 'Switzerland' is a magical place

No shit. It still doesn't say anything about the quality of Grand Seiko's , or anything Swiss made.

[Anonymous No.13970271]

>>13970268
You’re an outlier.

[Anonymous No.13970274]

>>13970267

>seething

Kek. I don't care for Grand Seiko or Swiss watches, I just enjoy these kinds of back and forths with Yanks about their beliefs and dreams.

[Anonymous No.13970275]

>>13970268
>creates the quartz movement almost wiping out the art of watch making and crafting
>wants to be ditch the discount brand idea
Seiko should just stop making shit mechanical watches and just focus on quartz if they like it so much
>>13970274
not a yank

[Anonymous No.13970277]

>>13970271

So what?

Why would you ever go with the masses on something as personal as buying a watch? If you just want to tell the time, look at your phone or buy a Casio.. If you're going to spend a couple of hundred, or thousand on a watch, than just get what you like. If you're worried about retention of value you're probably too poor to make the purchase anyway, and if you're worried about what other people (bonus points for 'on the internet') think you're a faggot regardless of what you wear.

[Anonymous No.13970280]

>>13970275

So the reason you're mad is mostly that the Japanese cornered the market for regular watches that people actually wear? If more people feel like that that would explain a lot of the impotent rage in these threads..

>not a yank
Details.

[Anonymous No.13970284]

>>13970277
It’s discussing Seiko trying to shake its shitter image. Which they won’t ever accomplish.

[Anonymous No.13970286]

>>13970275
It's only your perception that seiko are a discount brand. They've always made everything from shitters to ridiculously expensive stuff.

[Anonymous No.13970287]

>>13970286
If it’s only a couple of us with that perception, Seiko wouldn’t be trying to devise a strategy to shake off their cheap image.

[Anonymous No.13970289]

>>13970277
You can buy whatever you like and I agree with you, just don't claim it's a better watch. Just say it's better for you personally.
>>13970280
I'm not angry, I just don't like Seiko (except for Spring Drive) and believe you can get an objectively better watch from a better brand for the prices they ask.
>>13970286
I don't perceive them as a discount brand, they do that themselves and many do because of their past. They can try and play the luxury game but they have to dramatically increase the quality if they want a chance at competing.

[Anonymous No.13970292]

>>13970287

If they were really trying to shake that image they'd probably just market all their regular steel divers for 8k and put the proceeds into marketing and a bit of polish like Rolex did tbqh.. However, Seiko seems to value of fact that their watches are actually sold and worn.

[Anonymous No.13970294]

>>13970289
>because of their past.
Your perception is based on ignorance of seikos long history of expensive models so I don't place a particularly high value on it.

[Anonymous No.13970295]

>>13970191
They should have chosen a totally different name for their premium watches, not just putting 'Grand' in front.

[Anonymous No.13970296]

>>13970292
Rolexs aren't worn?

[Anonymous No.13970299]

>>13970294
expensive=/=high quality
They are either a luxury brand or an affordable brand, if they want to be both "Grand Seiko" isn't a good strategy and they should learn from Rolex and Tudor.

[Anonymous No.13970305]

The Grand Seiko is just unremarkable. The fact that you have to justify it with you have to see it irl!!! just proves that. This is what Seiko is trying to market as luxury, something you can’t distinguish from same-isch wristshots, nothing stands out between the two. The thing is, if I saw these photos as a non-watch person, I won’t be impressed by either and think it’s just the same watch.

[Anonymous No.13970307]

>>13970295
I like it. It comes from pride. You would prefer a mindset of shame and trickery?
>>13970299
That's basically saying people are too stupid to make objective judgements and will instead base their buying decisions on marketing. That may be true, in the west at least but in japan a brand can be both low and high end.

[Anonymous No.13970313]

>>1397029
>sold and worn.
Ever heard of Rolex waitlists?
>>13970295
They won’t ever admit their mistake though.
>>13970294
>>13970307
And who are they trying to sell their “luxury” watches to? The westerners.

[Anonymous No.13970316]

>>13970307
Luxury goods are luxury for a reason, there’s a reason why luxury brands don’t sell cheap stuff, it waters down their image.

[Anonymous No.13970318]

>>13970307
>That's basically saying people are too stupid to make objective judgements and will instead base their buying decisions on marketing
EXACTLY lmao, just look at Rolex and Omega. Omega has a much stonger history and heritage of innovation while Rolex is a marketing genius, the result being that Rolex sport models cost 3000$ more than Omega's.

[Anonymous No.13970321]

>>13970316
>>13970313
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.13970324]

>>13970313
>And who are they trying to sell their “luxury” watches to? The westerners.
It's not so much a case of trying to sell to westerners as a case of satisfying demand and streamlining the buyer experience. Grand seiko has been doing just fine with nothing but JDM models for a long time they don't need the western market it's more of a bonus.

[Anonymous No.13970332]

>>13970305
They’re not marketing to Grand Seiko fans, they’re marketing to people who don’t know about Grand Seiko. Take a look at that pic, it doesn’t inspire you to buy a + thousand dollar Jap Grand Seiko watch when you can buy a Seiko watch that looks the same in photos for less, or a Swiss watch for the same price or a little bit more.

[Anonymous No.13970344]

>>13970324
It is though, that’s why they’re trying to push through the western market and shake off their shitter image. Reading forum posts about watchspotting in Japan tells a different story, the Japs barely wear GS.

[Anonymous No.13970348]

The “Grand Seiko SBFAHJS8307” sure does sound luxurious.

[Anonymous No.13970351]

>>13970316
It doesn't necessarily work that way in japan. While lexus and toyota are basically the same company in many cases the toyota badged product is more luxurious and higher specced than the lexus competitor. Another oddity is leather seats. In japan the highest trim level is often cloth, not leather.
Maybe this stems from a greater awareness of marketing deception among the general public or an ability to judge things on their merits and not the meme. Who knows.

[Anonymous No.13970354]

>>13970344
Correct. Asians are going crazy over Rolex, just look at Hulk prices over there, meanwhile 2 20x30 meter Seiko billboards just got hung in my city center. They are trying so hard.

[Anonymous No.13970358]

>>13970348

[Anonymous No.13970365]

I'm looking for a watch that doesn't have any electrical components whatsoever, and is <10spy. Willing to spend as much as is necessary. Suggestions?

[Anonymous No.13970367]

>>13970351
You keep saying “in Japan” when the discussion is them trying to market and convince westerners their Grand Seiko is luxury. It doesn’t matter what it is in Japan. My point “Seiko will fail” will continue to be true until they stop thinking but “in Japan!!”. It’s a different fucking market. If you’re competing European watches with heritage and your heritage is cheap watches, you better be doing something extremely impressive, not just slapping Grand on the dial on a watch that looks like a regular basic Seiko.

[Anonymous No.13970370]

>>13970348
This. What’s up with their naming scheme? Letters and numbers is so lifeless. No character.

[Anonymous No.13970376]

>>13970367
>My point “Seiko will fail” will continue to be true
But your "point" has never been true at any time in history and will likely continue to be untrue into the future.

[Anonymous No.13970383]

>>13970376
>Continues to ignore the rest of the argument.

[Anonymous No.13970385]

I'm going to be pulling the trigger on a gshock D5600 or a GWM5610 in the next few days.

>>13970305
>>13970132
What the heck is the model of the "standard" Seiko there? It's beautiful.

>>13970174
nutnfancy made the list! Nice!

[Anonymous No.13970387]

>>13970376
They’re not failing at selling 40$ watches, their failing at being treated as high-end and luxurious which is what they’re trying to do with Grand Seiko.

[Anonymous No.13970388]

>>13970174
It’s up, gents!
Get in here for pure class.

https://youtu.be/NHYHEVSGxSk

[Anonymous No.13970391]

>>13970370
And other manufacturers don't use reference numbers? I'm wearing a 114270 right now, is that not "luxurious"?

[Anonymous No.13970392]

>>13970385
Ref SVKDK1838089

[Anonymous No.13970393]

>>13970383
>ignoring an argument that is based on ignorance
like pottery really.

[Anonymous No.13970396]

>>13970391
It’s not the reference number, it’s having a name. The 114270 is the Explorer, get it?

[Anonymous No.13970401]

>>13970396
As far as I can tell seiko don't name their watches the public do. Sumo, turtle, samurai, flightmaster etc aren't official names afaik

[Anonymous No.13970414]

>>13970401
You’re missing my point.

>The “Grand Seiko SBFAHJS8307” sure does sound luxurious.

It’s one of their biggest problems. There’s no memorable name.

[Anonymous No.13970418]

>>13970396
The Explorer is maybe not such a good example since there's only one variant, but if I was wearing a DJ then there's a bunch of different color and metal and size variations all called Datejust so you still have to use the reference number to specify one. I agree that GS models don't have very catchy names, but it seems pretty pedantic to not like a watch because you have to call it by a reference number.

[Anonymous No.13970432]

>>13970414
Maybe the way they operate makes names impractical. They have an absolute fuckton of models.

[Anonymous No.13970436]

>>13970296

They weren't at one point, which is (part of) the reason they went so heavily into the 'luxury' marketing, even though most of their most popular watches are traditionally 'tool' watches.. You don't have to sell as many watches if you manage to market them at exorbitant prices.

>>13970313
>Ever heard of Rolex waitlists?

All part of the marketing.

>>13970305

They're both boring as fuck too, I don't see why you keep spamming those 2 watches. Does anyone in this thread even want either of them?

>>13970299
>>13970313

Isn't Credor their super luxury thing though?
>The westerners
Wasn't the Snowflake (their utter most memed watch from what I know) actually a JDM only model? Seiko loves putting out JDM-only things.

[Anonymous No.13970438]

>>13970418
We are discussing their strategy and their failures. Does Rolex market the DateJust as “116234” or as the “DateJust”? It’s not about having reference numbers or not. It’s hard to market your watch as “Grand Seiko SBXHSK173929”. There is no charm, no character.

[Anonymous No.13970442]

>>13970418
Jesus Christ you are insufferable. Luxury entails all these little detail that you CANNOT neglect if you want to be considered a luxury brand. Yes even names are important.
>Cool watch, what is that?
>Oh this? It's my Royal Oak Offshore, what's that on your wrist?
>This is my SBGH255 !

[Anonymous No.13970446]

>>13970438
>>13970442
So if GS started using catchy model names, would you buy one?

[Anonymous No.13970447]

>>13970436
>Seiko loves putting out JDM-only things.
Isn't that the case with most jap things though? They always keep the best shit to themselves.

[Anonymous No.13970458]

>>13970436
>Credor
the only reason they are pricy is precious metals use lmao. In today's world does JDM even mean anything? If you want it and have the means, you are getting it regardless of JDM.
>>13970446
The names are only the beginning, like I said in my previous post, it's one of many details that make a luxury brand such. I wouldn't buy one even if it had a "cooler" name (just look at Credor) because they are still objectively bad watches (except Spring Drive).

[Anonymous No.13970464]

>hate a brand so much that you go out of your way to make sure it's the topic of every thread, every day
Really makes ya think

[Anonymous No.13970475]

Here’s some facts: Seiko is watch brand known for cheap quartz watches. Seiko is also Japanese. There’s a lot of watch snobs that turn their noses at Grand Seiko.

Knowing those facts, imagine a non-watch person that knows of Omega and Rolex, looking at a Grand Seiko and learning of the price. “You’re asking 7k for a SEIKO!?”.

That’s something that is common and is quite difficult to shake off and shaking that off doesn’t start with “buy Grand Seiko SBJXJSK282010”.

[Anonymous No.13970478]

>>13970458
>In today's world does JDM even mean anything?
Of course it does. Getting it is one thing, getting it maintained or repaired is another. Owning something that was never meant to be sold in your area always seems to find a way to bite you in the ass.

[Anonymous No.13970482]

Kill one, marry one?

[Anonymous No.13970486]

>>13970478
You're probably right, I didn't even consider servicing before I typed my post.
>>13970482
Oh Jesus... keep the left one.

[Anonymous No.13970487]

>>13970174
Archie does not deserve to be higher than the boomer tier. Possibly lower.

Also, Gentry should be very high on the list because it's high quality production and entertaining. I think I'd place him on the "okay tier" list.

[Anonymous No.13970491]

>>13970174
>Watching youtube videos of pathetic men yelling about wristwatches
Why?

[Anonymous No.13970496]

>>13970482
Kill left
Marry right

[Anonymous No.13970499]

>>13970475
One of the reasons why people buy European watches is because of the brand’s history and heritage. What is Seiko’s heritage? Cheap fucking quartz. If watch snobs who knows watches turn their noses at Grand Seiko, how much more will a regular person react once they learn of the price and realise they can buy a European for the same price? It’s something they will have to overcome but I really don’t think they will.

[Anonymous No.13970501]

>>13970482
If I had to have one of those I wouldn't settle for anything less than the ripley since that's where the watch derives its meme power. Getting anything else seems kinda pointless.

[Anonymous No.13970504]

>>13970487
>>13970491
Watchfinder is the only channel worth watching. London Watch Collector is also bretty gud

[Anonymous No.13970508]

>>13970499
>What is Seiko’s heritage? Cheap fucking quartz
There you go again with the willful ignorance.

[Anonymous No.13970511]

>>13970487
The best part about Archie is that the character says not to do and be the person Paul actually is. He's a shit tier YouTube personality and an even more shit tier person going off his own definitions.

[Anonymous No.13970521]

>>13970508
Are you wilfully ignoring the huge stain on their heritage comparable only to the Holocaust in Germany?

[Anonymous No.13970522]

>>13970179
I've seen a GS IRL alongside my sarb033, and I can tell you that there is a difference, but it's not by much when you look down on them normally. It's almost like holding the same watch (not quite, but almost). But when you are using a loupe to look at the microscopic details they are very different. There are less flaws in the GS, you see. When looking at the sarb033 with a loupe there is a fuckton of "flaws" everywhere, if you want to call it that, it's not really flaws because they're not meant to be well finished anyway. When you look at the GS you see flaws, but a lot less of them. In fact they look very nice. For the most part. The GS models that are in the "lower end" I mean. I haven't seen the GS in the 10k range.

[Anonymous No.13970527]

>imagine talking shit about the brand that nearly killed all Swiss watch making
The only reason they didn't continue wiping the floor with the Swiss in observatory trials was the wimps banned then from competing as well as their breakthrough watches.

[Anonymous No.13970528]

>>13970521
>implying the holocaust was real

[Anonymous No.13970531]

>>13970528
Based

[Anonymous No.13970535]

>>13970508
You’re telling me they’re not known for cheap quartz?

[Anonymous No.13970536]

>>13970531
and redpilled

[Anonymous No.13970538]

>>13970527
>breakthrough watches
citation needed
>>13970536

[Anonymous No.13970544]

>>13970499
Meanwhile Rolex, Omega, AP, etc have a proud history and heritage which they are today carrying on and respecting by producing bedazzled oversized watches for rappers and new money Chinese and Arabs.

>>13970521
You mean a stain like that time half the Swiss brands almost went under and got gutted and pieced together into a big shitty conglomerate run by a Lebanese conman?

[Anonymous No.13970545]

>>13970482
Kill the Ripley, marry the Bishop.

[Anonymous No.13970548]

>>13970522
Do those less flaws justify paying 6000+ more?

[Anonymous No.13970553]

>>13970535
Even if that were the case it's ignorant since seiko occupy both the low and the top end of quartz watches. Up until the 80's some seiko quartz were more expensive than submariners.

[Anonymous No.13970556]

>>13970544
Bedazzled, you mean aftermarket additions by kikes?

[Anonymous No.13970558]

>>13970544
Rolex is the only one you could argue for if this was 40 years ago
>>13970544
Watchmaking is an art, the East doesn't understand it and now is trying to emulate it like everything in the history of mankind. Quartz is disgusting and having it be a part of their "heritage" is disgusting especially considering what they are trying so hard to appear like now. I'd rather buy an Oysterquartz than a Seiko (except Spring Drive) and I don't say that lightly.

[Anonymous No.13970562]

>>13970553
Seiko can’t put all that justification on an advert and expect to sell. You just have to admit that to the common people Seiko = cheap quartz watches, these are the same people Seiko is marketing Grand Seiko to. You’re too thick to get that.

[Anonymous No.13970571]

>>13970556
https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/watch-collection/royal-oak-offshore/26473BC.ZZ.8043BC.01/
https://www.rolex.com/watches/day-date/m118348-0054.html
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-specialities-olympic-games-collection-32158445251001

>>13970558
There is literally absolutely nothing wrong with quartz watches.

[Anonymous No.13970573]

>>13970538
https://www.seikowatches.com/ca-en/special/heritage/
Click worlds first or milestones

[Anonymous No.13970579]

People can argue about how Grand Seiko has better finishing all you want but there’s tons, and I mean tons of people out there buying watches they don’t like just to build a relationship with the AD so they could get a chance to purchase a model that’s sold out. Why are people doing this when Grand Seiko is sooooo much better?

[Anonymous No.13970582]

>>13970562
Actually the 'common people' probably don't know anything about seiko at all. They might know casio. The average normies exposure to seiko probably doesn't go any further than the timing equipment at sporting events on tv.

[Anonymous No.13970585]

>>13970579
>buying watches they don’t like just to build a relationship with the AD so they could get a chance to purchase a model that’s sold out
Wow, how L U X U R I O U S.

[Anonymous No.13970594]

>>13970548
Depends. Firstly you only pay 3000 - 5000 for most GS models, and those are the kinds I've seen close up with a loupe. I understand your sentiment about having "seiko" on your dial. When you're at that price range you could be looking at Omega or Rolex, and there are plenty of other brands too that may make you feel better when you look down on your wrist. I'd also say in personal experience that you will get about the same level of finish too when you go for the popular swiss brands in that same price range. GS are hand polished tho, as in a skilled person will hold the case with his own hands and polish it on a machine, and there is a sentiment to owning something that is finished by hand too, that you may or may not be concerned about. Whether that handfinished case is better looking is kinda up to you, I find that it's not always the case. But the sentiment that handfinished is cool is one I share at least.

[Anonymous No.13970595]

>>13970571
>There is literally absolutely nothing wrong with quartz watches.
Buy whatever you want I don't care, in my opinion they are 2 different things: mechanicals are timepieces and quartzes are just objects to tell the time
>Offshore
Offshores are meant to be extravagant and attention-grabbing
>day date 36
lady's watch so diamonds are ok
>Omega
it's one of 100 000 000 of Omega's special "limited" editions and they are clearly running out of ideas. Shit watch that no self-respecting man would ever wear.

[Anonymous No.13970598]

>>13970571
>not picking the rainbow Daytona or the zebra datejust
https://m.rolex.com/watches/baselworld/new-cosmograph-daytona/m116595rbow-0001.html

[Anonymous No.13970601]

>>13970585
The brands are yes, the desperate people’s method not so much.

[Anonymous No.13970604]

>>13970595
Rolex are very proud of their gemstone watches
https://m.rolex.com/watches/find-rolex/gem-set.html#gender=man&g=1

[Anonymous No.13970608]

>>13970598
Ok not gonna lie that Daytona looks sick. The zebra datejust is for women so I don't care.
>>13970573
Half of those "milestones" and world's firsts include digital and quartz watches. P A T H E T I C

[Anonymous No.13970609]

Grand A. Lange & Söhne < sounds like they’re compensating.

[Anonymous No.13970615]

>>13970604
Gemsetting is reallly impressive. I can't remember the reference no. of a particular GMT with 400 hand-placed gems that is horrid in my eyes but impressive nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.13970616]

>>13970608
>the state of this post
Sup niqqa fina bout to bust a cap in seiko niqqas ass up in here

[Anonymous No.13970621]

>>13970616
You can say the word nigger on 4chan(nel) anon, don't be afraid.

[Anonymous No.13970623]

>>13970608
>Half of those "milestones" and world's firsts include digital and quartz watches. P A T H E T I C
>half those milestones are pushing the limits of current time keeping technology while the Swiss are stuck in the past sucking each other off in trials everyone else is banned from
P A T H E T I C

[Anonymous No.13970624]

How does Seiko handle boutiques? I’ve heard they opened a boutique in Hamburg and it’s empty as. It’s telling. How do you get people to come inside the boutique with SEIKO plastered outside to sell them a Grand Seiko? I bet it’s even more difficult when you’re right next door to a Rolex boutique.

[Anonymous No.13970627]

>>13970623
Seething

[Anonymous No.13970628]

>>13970624
For the most part, seikos are sold in boutiques that aren't a "Seiko boutique" but rather an AD that sells various brands.

[Anonymous No.13970630]

>>13970624
Well at least you probably won't find a seiko boutique staffed by fat ugly niggers. Can't say the same for rolex sadly. kek

[Anonymous No.13970631]

Calling Grand Seiko luxury is like calling a trans man she because it’s their “pronoun”.

[Anonymous No.13970633]

>>13970630
I hate Nips, Chinks, and Niggers so it’s equal. And that is disappointing, is that an AD or an official Rolex?
>>13970628
You can’t just keep selling through ADs without boutique presence.

[Anonymous No.13970642]

>>13970631
KEK.

[Anonymous No.13970645]

>>13970633
according to the retarded rapper in the video it's the "rolex shop"

[Anonymous No.13970647]

>>13970370
You guys are right but I honestly think it’s a Japanese thing for whatever reason. Just look at Lexus, perceived as a high end brand (at least compared to Toyota) yet their naming scheme for all their cars is a bunch of random letters and numbers like the LS 500, ES, GS, IS, LC, GX, etc. I don’t get it at all.

[Anonymous No.13970651]

>>13970458
>I wouldn't buy one even if it had a "cooler" name (just look at Credor) because they are still objectively bad watches (except Spring Drive).
What do you mean they’re bad watches? I don’t know a ton about GS but I was under a different impression.

[Anonymous No.13970652]

>>13970348
Your right the Rolex 116189BBR is so much better for a name.

[Anonymous No.13970653]

>>13970630

I imagine it appeals to the US customer base tbqh..

[Anonymous No.13970657]

>>13970652
For me it's the Patek 7300/1200Awhich is clearly a great name

[Anonymous No.13970659]

>>13970370
>>13970647

Probably because Japanese names are notoriously retarded when translated to western languages. It'd al be shit like 'Pink cloud' or 'spicy grasshopper'.. Japanese videogames also have the most retarded names and titles..

[Anonymous No.13970661]

>>13970652
You’re*. And read: >>13970396
>>13970414
>>13970438

[Anonymous No.13970664]

>>13970458
>objectively bad

?

[Anonymous No.13970665]

>>13970657
Patek is Patek. You can’t compare SEIKO to Patek.

[Anonymous No.13970667]

>>13969973
Sorry lying son of a bitch. His acting is good but a genuine person can see through his deciet easily.

[Anonymous No.13970668]

>>13970659
Nah pink cloud and spicy grasshopper are chinese style names. Japs have their own wacky engrish naming style like the datsun sunny super excellent

[Anonymous No.13970672]

>>13970665
Your right, Seiko is more of a dufour tier brand

[Anonymous No.13970674]

>>13970668
Supel Exerent

[Anonymous No.13970694]

Anyone who thinks Seiko is on the level of Patek is delusional.

[Anonymous No.13970697]

>>13970694
in general they aren't but seiko do have a few watches costing several hundred thousand dollars.

[Anonymous No.13970702]

>>13970697
Not him, but I'm curious which watches are those? i'd like to check them out

[Anonymous No.13970705]

>>13970697
They aren’t. Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.13970706]

>>13970633
BASED, i hope it's an AD
>>13970651
They are bad for the money, you can get an Omega or a JLC for the price tag of a GS and you get a much better timepiece of higher quality and attention to detail, just look a the pictures posted above.
>>13970664
They have nothing special about them, the quality and finishing is sub-par for the price.

[Anonymous No.13970708]

>>13970702
The ones with the minute repeater compication

[Anonymous No.13970715]

>>13970652
>Rolex 116189BBR
You mean DateJust?
> Patek 7300/1200A
You mean Twenty~4 ?

[Anonymous No.13970723]

>>13970631
Underrated

[Anonymous No.13970730]

amongst 300 dollar upmarked 110 dollar amazon seikos, kohl's also carries these fucking marc anthony watches that have nearly the same diameter as a tennis ball who the fuck is wearing these things

[Anonymous No.13970735]

>>13970706

GSs aren't all that expensive though, and if macro shots are any indication they're finished rather nicely.

>>13970708
>>13970702

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=C3-n0hZlhuI

Wouldn't ever buy one myself.

[Anonymous No.13970751]

>>13970735
>Wouldn't ever buy one myself.
They have that other blue one with a tourbillion that cost a few hundred grand if you don't like the repeater one.

[Anonymous No.13970766]

>>13970715
Seiko names their watche ranges after the calibre / movement
>spring drive GMT
>9s
>high beat GMT
ect
But you will say it doesn't count even though it makes knowing what the watch is easier than a generic name that covers an entire range no matter what the movement is on the watch.

[Anonymous No.13970787]

>>13968485
for an... air king?

[Anonymous No.13970799]

>>13970766
So memorable. So catchy. So charming.

[Anonymous No.13970810]

>>13970799
Pretty girl like you needs to be charmed huh

[Anonymous No.13970828]

>>13970799
Exactly my point. If I say Nautilus, you immediately know what I'm talking about. If I say Spring Drive minute repeater it's just a movement and a complication, nothing iconic.
>>13970810
Oh wow you have him all figured out don't you...

[Anonymous No.13970852]

>>13970828
If you say grand Seiko you instantly know the grammar of design design so know about as much as you do when someone says Royal Oak.
Movement, material, and more are all up in the air. If you say grand Seiko spring drive you know almost exactly what watch it is. Damn Japs and not using silly names when they just say what it is so people know what your talking about. They should call them the "reach around 3000" so you can jerk off about the names as much as you do for mountain jews.

[Anonymous No.13970858]

>>13970852
Based stroke poster. But seriously, how much more vague can you get with "seiko spring drive". C'mon.

[Anonymous No.13970864]

>>13970858
Narrows it down to a handful of watches that are all very similar. Saying Nautilus ranges from the handful of decent ones to the nigga bling complicated retard ones. How much more vague can you get than that?

[Anonymous No.13970880]

>>13970365
What do you mean by "<10spy"? Under most reasonable definitions it is not possible.

[Anonymous No.13970891]

>>13970880
What's the most accurate mechanical watch? Best I can think of off the top of my head is that Seiko VFA that's like +2/-1 per day or whatever it is

[Anonymous No.13970902]

>>13970891
COSC is +/-2

[Anonymous No.13970910]

>>13970902
>COSC is +/-2
Except it isn't if you spent 10 seconds to google you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.13971066]

>>13970305
>I've never seen a GS irl but they're unremarkable

[Anonymous No.13971150]

>>13970891
The vfa is +/-2. All modern Rolex are +/-2spd. I believe patek tourbillon are specced at -2.4/+1.4 if memory serves.

Observatory chronometers from the 60s achieved significantly better precision, often hitting mean rates better than 0.3spd and Max positional variances below 3spd.

The zenith zo342 is probably the tightest specced wristwatch that doesn't use electricity, at 10 seconds per month.

[Anonymous No.13971188]

>>13971150
>Observatory chronometers from the 60s
What?? How and why? What is "observatory chronometers"
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.13971220]

>>13971188
Observatories used to test and certify the accuracy of mechanical watches back when mechanical watches were all that existed.

They held accuracy competitions too, and they banned Grand Seiko when they won a few of those back to back.
https://wornandwound.com/grail-found-ultra-rare-grand-seiko-sale/

[Anonymous No.13971224]

>>13971188
Up through the late 60s major astronomical observatories certified watches as observatory chronometers if they met very strict timing criteria. Brands also competed to have the best-scoring watches as a matter of prestige. The most well known were the competitions at the neuchatel observatory, but there were others. Most observatory chronometers were purpose-built for competition and never sold to the public; Rolex sold 136 observatory chronometers, Girard perregaux sold 662, and Seiko sold 70-some, I believe. They achieved their precision through painstaking adjustment via huge amounts of manual labor; many movements were tested several times over the course of years, with adjustment in between, before being certified.

[Anonymous No.13971232]

>>13971220
>back when mechanical watches were all that existed.
This isn't really totally true; tuning fork watches came to market in 1960. But tuning fork watches through the end of the competitions in 1968 never approached the level of precision that observatory chronometers required, largely due to their inherent positional variance.

[Anonymous No.13971236]

>>13970631

[Anonymous No.13971243]

cop?

[Anonymous No.13971249]

>>13971232
I mean in a practical sense.

Mechanical watches were like 99.999% of all watches made, bought, and worn before quartz.

[Anonymous No.13971256]

>>13971224
Why aren't normal watches more accurate today tho, with technological advancement? I mean, not necessarily as accurate as those watches, but at least more accurate than -2/+2
This all made me a bit angry, it makes me think that none of the watch companies are even trying anymore. In fact this is absurd. I thought -2/+2 or even cosc was actually good. It's not, apparently, it's just LAZY FUCKING NON-INNOVATIVE SHIT RATES.

[Anonymous No.13971268]

>>13971256
Getting any more accurate than that with a normal swiss lever movement is easier said than done. Those observatory chronometers only did it through exceptional hand work and cherry picking good components. You reach ever diminishing returns.

[Anonymous No.13971273]

>>13971243
Yes
Dial looks cool

[Anonymous No.13971284]

>>13971243
also considering this one (same pretty much but different face)

I like the visodate a lot too but it's out of stock

[Anonymous No.13971288]

>>13971273
looks like the floor of a urinal in a luxurious hotel

[Anonymous No.13971300]

>>13971268
Sounds more like they are too lazy to try. And I'm not even talking about getting 0.3 spd, I mean like -1/+1 for example. I'm sure that if companies like Omega or Rolex tried to be innovative, they'd manage to mass produce something like that with today's techology.

[Anonymous No.13971308]

>>13971256
it's called quartz or spring drive
but you people are too pretentious to look at them

[Anonymous No.13971312]

>>13971300
Again, easier said than done. Especially if you want it done cheaply. Trying to make a swiss lever super accurate & doing it cheaply is basically an oxy-moron at this point. As for innovation there is the silicon oscillator which still uses a lever and escapement wheel, but a vastly different oscillating mechanism. That's really the only way you'll have a "cheap" super accurate mechanical watch.

[Anonymous No.13971319]

>>13971243
Look into one of the flavors of mido commander, it's around the same price range last I checked.

[Anonymous No.13971321]

>>13971308
I know about spring drive and quartz, but no, I am talking about mechanical watches. It's crazy that we're not at -1/+1 now in today's age, if they could make 0.3 spd in the 60s (granted it was expensive and very hard back then)

>>13971312
Maybe they should stop spending 400 dollar building a rolex and selling it for 8000. Maybe they should spend 2000 on it and sell it for 5000 or something, then we'd have -1/+1 and they would have their cash.

[Anonymous No.13971324]

>>13971249
Im not sure if that's true in the 60s. The accutron was a huge commercial success; even if it was fairly specialized I think it's fair to say that it was not rare.

>>13971256
As >>13971268 said, getting a mechanical watch that precise is still a question of a combination of luck of draw on parts and tons of hand adjustment, which isn't cheap. Rolex's achievement of making a million watches a year specced at 2spd is a staggering one.

That said, to be fair, advances are being made. Zenith's new oscillator is a fantastic technical feat precision wise and should be capable of mass production. Citizen is pushing the limits of quartz precision with their new 8mhz watch. Hoptroff released a cesium-regulated production watch line. But it's true no one (besides Rolex) is investing in producing high-precision traditional mechanical watches at scale.

[Anonymous No.13971329]

>>13971300
Because they don't need to try. Buyers of mechanical watches don't give a shit about being within one second per day. Regular COSC certification is more than enough to ensure your watch is accurate enough that you're not going to be running late to a meeting because your watch was 10 minutes slow. If customers really cared about accuracy that much, then they would choose quartz instead which is more than an order of magnitude more accurate.

[Anonymous No.13971338]

>>13971284
>Powermatic 80
Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.13971344]

>>13971338
Powermatic is good tho, so you sound like someone with no clue.

[Anonymous No.13971346]

>>13971321
Guaranteeing 1spd *on the wrist* is extremely challenging; even most observatory chronometers would not have reached it. That implies the rate of a watch is very stable under many different positions.

All the 2spd watches of the 50s and 70s (gp, zodiac, longines, Seiko, maybe some others) used 36k balances that quickly went out of style due to their high wear rates and short service intervals. That Rolex achieves what they do with 28.8k movements is remarkable. High-frequency oscillators (like what's found in the new zenith) would likely be needed for what you're proposing.

[Anonymous No.13971355]

>>13971346
*60s and 70s

[Anonymous No.13971357]

>>13971324
>>13971346
If Rolex can do it, then others like Omega and JLC and whatever else with lots of cash can do it. I refuse to believe that Rolex have some kind of trade secret that no other watch company are clueless about.

Just fucking DO IT already. I understand that Omega wanted to make that meta test to their watches, and basically just over night they were able to make that happen. I'm betting they could do what Rolex does too, they just need to spend the extra cash.

[Anonymous No.13971359]

>>13971319

I'm liking this one

[Anonymous No.13971360]

>>13971243
whats the ref?

[Anonymous No.13971369]

>>13971357
No one has as much cash to throw into R&D as rolex does, last I checked. Again all of this is way easier said than done.

[Anonymous No.13971374]

>>13971369
Well, maybe it's not easy but they should try to innovate a bit more. All of them. I hate watches now. I'm gonna throw my watch collection into the garbage now. BRB...

[Anonymous No.13971377]

>>13971359
The 60s styling is pretty nice. If I didn't already have a vintage silver dial watch I'd be tempted to get one of those myself.

>>13971374
I'll gladly dispose of them for you :^)

[Anonymous No.13971383]

>>13971377
Too late, I threw them away. It was a couple of pateks, a JLC, Omega, a Zenith, and A Lange. They were all shit, I threw them over to the neighbour. He yelled "WTF" at me, and I said, EAT SHIT (and I meant the watches)

[Anonymous No.13971392]

>>13971383
I chuckled.

[Anonymous No.13971393]

>>13971150
The new VFA is +3/-1
https://www.grand-seiko.com/global-en/special/newdesigncollection/#vfa
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/grand-seiko-vfa-sbgh265-introducing

Also bonus VFA and Seiko accuracy history https://www.grand-seiko.com/us-en/special/10stories/vol3/2/

[Anonymous No.13971394]

>>13971321
How mush are you willing to spend on that?
I bet that's why they don't make them.

[Anonymous No.13971398]

>>13971360
what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.13971400]

>>13971394
I'm willing to spend thousands of dollars on mecanical master pieces with accuracies like that. If that was a thing I would fucking do it.

[Anonymous No.13971401]

>>13971374
Most innovation in recent years is about making the watches more hardy (shock and magnetic resistance) and last longer per wind.

Which is arguably more important than maximum daily rates because those affect your rate significantly.

[Anonymous No.13971409]

>>13971398
the reference number for that model

[Anonymous No.13971413]

>>13971344
Is the powermatic 80 the movement that's half plastic and had a beat rate of like 2hz

[Anonymous No.13971418]

>>13971413
No, it's a great fucking 2824 movement.

[Anonymous No.13971421]

>>13971324
>Im not sure if that's true in the 60s. The accutron was a huge commercial success; even if it was fairly specialized I think it's fair to say that it was not rare.
Compared to mechanical watches they were very rare.

[Anonymous No.13971425]

>>13971418
what.

>>13971413
3Hz

[Anonymous No.13971426]

>>13971418
>says "powermatic 80" right on the dial
>no it's a 2824
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.13971428]

>>13971409
T086.407.11.061.10

[Anonymous No.13971431]

>>13971426
If you don't know what I mean then..... read about it.

[Anonymous No.13971436]

>>13971431
It's based on the 2824, but it's still a powermatic 80, and not the 2824 itself.

[Anonymous No.13971447]

>>13971436
It's basically a 2824 tho, that's what I mean. And it's great.

[Anonymous No.13971449]

>>13971447
No, you stupid faggot, it's a RUINED 2824.

[Anonymous No.13971465]

>>13971449
No, you don't know what you're talking about silly person. Off you go.

[Anonymous No.13971473]

>>13971465
It has a plastic escapement doesn't it? And it has a regular power reserve but they turned the beat rate way down to last longer. And it's the same disposable movement in that swatch abortion

[Anonymous No.13971481]

>>13971473
Nothing about it is ruined. Explain please why you think it is. Then if you are wrong I will laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.13971485]

>>13971481
Exactly, disposable plastic escapements are a good movement feature.

[Anonymous No.13971488]

>>13971428
thank you

[Anonymous No.13971489]

>>13971485
>disposable plastic escapements
As promised I will laugh at you now
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[Anonymous No.13971491]

>>13971481
Movements that are adjusted by laser and so are unserviceable by anyone who isnt in the search factories is a great improvement.

[Anonymous No.13971492]

>>13971465
Are you literally retarded tho?

They're unserviceable.

>>13971473
>they turned the beat rate way down to last longer.
I've recently serviced an early 2000's Tissot with a similar method, only was better executed. The geartrain was 21600bph, but the barrel was the same size as in the 2824, so a thinner, therefore longer mainspring could be fitted, increasing the power reserve to I think maybe 50 hours, I can't remember. Only these everything was still metal, and the decrease in beat-rate and mainspring torque only increases the lifespan of the movement.

>>13971481
Wow, you're a fucking assclown. I'll spell it out for you: it cannot be serviced, it is disposable. Since parts are restricted, only an authorized Swatch service center can "service" it which means swapping out half the movement every five years. Maybe the entire movement. If you think that's alright you literally need to be murdered.

[Anonymous No.13971496]

>>13971492
WRONG

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[Anonymous No.13971498]

>>13971496
Swatch dont sell any spare parts or replacement movements for the powermatic 80. Strange that to fix a cheap low end movement you have to send it to the factory to be binned then replaced with a new one every 4 years.

[Anonymous No.13971502]

>>13971496

[Anonymous No.13971506]

>>13971491
>Movements that are adjusted by laser and so are unserviceable
This is, as far as I'm aware, not true. If you're talking about the laaer adjustment of the sisten 51, that's a different movement. All the powermatic 80 movements I've seen have eccentric weights for regulation, and laser adjustment of the balance would not have any impact on the serviceability of the rest of the movement.

[Anonymous No.13971515]

>>13971506
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f6/tissot-powermatic-80-problems-3036370.html
>The biggest problem your watchmaker is probably running into is that the timing is fixed by laser at the factory.
I'm going off this. I have another couple posts saying the same thing but that could be effectively internet myth that spread. There was one a while back that I saw where someone tried the screws and it didn't fix the issues but that thread may have ended up saying he used the wrong special lube for the plastic shit.

[Anonymous No.13971522]

>>13969983
Nope. Pic related is.

[Anonymous No.13971530]

I love how there are no real photos of the pallet fork and escape wheel, even though they're supposed to be "revolutionary".

[Anonymous No.13971538]

>>13971530
This one?

[Anonymous No.13971543]

>>13971538
That's the sistem51 isn't it?

[Anonymous No.13971544]

>>13971538
That's a Sistem 51, an even more repulsive Swatch trash.

[Anonymous No.13971603]

so between a mido commander and the stone dial tissot >>13971243

what would be a better buy?

[Anonymous No.13971617]

>>13971603
What would you rather, your dad shit in your hands or your mum shit in your hands?

[Anonymous No.13971627]

>>13967538
pleb here but also well aware im going to get abuse
So i'm after a dress watch the same kind of style as a daniel wellington.
I've looked at seiko, orient etc and theyre all fuck ugly.
any suggestions?
$300 max

[Anonymous No.13971633]

>>13968818
nigga loosen that strap ur wrist looks like a fucking hotdog link

[Anonymous No.13971645]

>>13971627
Wat

Where are you living that Daniel Wellington dress watches are more than $300?

These are sub $100 watches...

[Anonymous No.13971654]

>>13971627
Look at citizen stilettos there is a few really nice ones with similar aesthetic. Next for me would be some orient ones but you said you didn't like them. Then try looking at long island watch or something like that and come and ask here if it's a decent watch. Most their watches are ok but a fair few are shit

[Anonymous No.13971656]

>>13971645
Does /lit/ have a learn to read thread for adults
>description of what he likes
>a max price for recommendations

[Anonymous No.13971695]

>>13971645
are you retarded?
i said the same style as daniel welington.
now find me a watch that looks like that with a mechanical movement or good quartz for <$300

[Anonymous No.13971718]

>>13971656
>>13971695

>I'm after a nice watch, I have 10k to spend. I really like the look of Rolex watches

"how about a rolex?"

>Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.13971723]

>>13971695
$300

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13971957]

looking for a 38-40mm iwc pilot under $400
Obviously i cant afford an iwc so any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.13972022]

New thread:

>>13972017
>>13972017
>>13972017

[Anonymous No.13972037]

>>13969983
It truly is

[Anonymous No.13972046]

>>13970174
>ArchieLuxury
>God tier
>not shit tier