Soul Revolver DMC5 Coat: Details and Thoughts

[Anonymous No.13478510]

For some reason my last thread was not only removed, but not put into the archive either. So, I'm starting another one, this time with a better subject title that won't throw off Anons from /v/.

This jacket generated interest here, and so did the obviously unthinkable intent on getting it and wearing it as often as possible, so I thought I'd create a thread to elaborate on these issues. I plan to post a few pics of actual details of the jacket, discussing some pros and cons, and in the future if I can I'll do a fit pic or two with different aesthetic experiments. But also I'm free to answer questions about this jacket in the context of a larger society, and all the problems and associations that relate to it.

It's clear that whenever I'd like to talk about these things, I end up hijacking other threads for a few hours, and I don't want to do that. Ledder Jackettes General should be for any leather jackets. This thread here will be for this jacket only.

Thanks to all those who responded to my last two threads....I wish I could remember what was left unsaid in the previous one.

[Anonymous No.13478529]

A few things just to start.

I wore this out last night, and in truth it didn't make that much of an impact. No one stared at me on the subway, no one stared at me in the pub, no one beat the shit out of me for wearing a videogame jacket...the bottom line was that wearing it in public didn't actually matter. As I mentioned in a post on the other thread about odd jackets that people wish they could wear, the only one who asked me about this was a female who I know, and whom I would guess only wanted to know if SR make one in a woman's pattern (because she's never seen a design like this before and also obviously because her fake leather rain jacket is shredding to shit).

The main point I wanted to make was that if the jacket fits you and is an extension of your personality, then it really doesn't come into the equation whether or not to wear something like this. The issue which I think many of us will notice clearly is what happens when people get a jacket from a famous movie and put the rest of the costume together, even though it's not necessarily an extension of your personality. Getting a Scorpion jacket and dressing like Ryan Gosling in Drive, toothpick and all....or getting a Fight Club jacket and dressing like Tyler, bumblebee sunglasses and all. In some ways, it makes sense: either the person is emulating a character they admire, or they are following a costume designer's aesthetic that works on film...in both cases, it's 'safe' to do.

Unfortunately, it's still just playing a character, and thus the old adage of 'the jacket wearing you instead of you wearing the jacket'. So, you can definitely wear a jacket like this, but it has to be an honest extension of your personality (and note: PERSONALITY, not AESTHETIC...the two are different).

Now, onto a few details.

[Anonymous No.13478536]

I should probably preface this by saying that the purpose of these posts are to help inform any Anons who genuinely want to purchase this particular model from Soul Revolver. As tempting as it is to label me a shill for SR, the reason behind it is actually more simple. When I found this jacket years ago, I thought 'that's a cool jacket...maybe I'll get it one day'. That day came a few weeks ago...but when I wanted to do some background research on the jacket (the jacket, not the game), I found that there was literally NOTHING about it online. SR has it on their website, and there's a review or two...but beyond this, almost no real-world pics, no postings on leather forums or anything like that....if I didn't know any better, I'd think that no one has bought this jacket, or if they did, they didn't want to broadcast the fact. These could be the reasons...or there could be others. Anyway, I couldn't find anything on it, and even though I could ask questions of the customer service rep at SR (she's awesome, btw), it was still a little unnerving because it's quite a chunk of change.

So, I thought I'd show a few things about this jacket that, at least for me, I would have liked to have known about it before buying.

First, the jacket is atrociously difficult to photograph, so please excuse the light diffusion. The leather is beautifully oiled and supple, and the antiquing appears to be done as a paint or 'finish' of some kind. It's definitely not a leather based antiquing...it's something that is applied. This doesn't seem to react to water (my jacket was almost soaked last night, with no ill effects either to the jacket or me inside of it), as the water will bead off anyway. But it's something to know. To the naked eye, the antiquing doesn't look as artificial as I thought it might. The flag is a proper patch, sewn on, and is also slightly dirty and 'antiqued' the same way as the rest of the jacket.

[Anonymous No.13478538]

I'm glad they did the patch in colour, as the red really brings out the red details of the jacket, and the blue pops out really nicely as the only hard contrast.

The red sections are 'antiqued' along the edges, where one would 'expect' wear. This is the only thing that one could complain about the antiquing looking slightly fake. For me, I don't care...I've hand-distressed jackets before, so my eyes will see when it's real and when it's not...it's rather obvious. But to the casual person on the street, the colour essentially looks opposite-faded...where instead of a colour simply losing its colour and going towards the white spectrum, this is doing the opposite...going towards the black spectrum. Either way, as a complete package, it looks fantastic in life, and in all lighting situations.

The red is very dark, almost purple sometimes. In the evening, or at night, the red doesn't register at all, so unless you're wearing it in direct sunlight or some place that is very well lit, it's not going to even come close to the fluorescent red that we see so often on the less refined versions of this design that exist online (particularly from the Chinese).

Incidentally, every edge is finished beautifully, no problems with stitching or anything else like that. I haven't found a flaw on the jacket...and for a jacket this large and complex, that's definitely saying something for Soul Revolver's Italian factory.

[Anonymous No.13478544]

The back of the jacket has a 'batwing' shaped piece that is at the base of the hood. On the pictures, it looks like it is the actual base of the hood, and that this is how the hood attaches to the rest of the jacket. But in truth the hood is already attached to the jacket, and this piece is a kind of 'add-on' piece of leather that is attached at three points (the three bat tips) but able to rise around the edge. You can slip your hand underneath the panel, and feel the underside of the lambskin (which is smooth and suede-ish). But, it is NOT a vent, and it is NOT how the hood attaches to the jacket. Also, the hood is not detachable, which for some people is a necessity but for me was not. I wanted a jacket with a hood...that was the whole damn point. But it's important to know that it's a part of the body of the jacket....it could be a deal-breaker for some people.

[Anonymous No.13478550]

There are two hidden side pockets, one on each side. The openings appear along one of the seams, so the jacket tends to hide the fact of pockets when it's being worn. They're perfectly placed, at least for my arm length, though one could complain that they are a little too shallow (not large enough). You could fit a smartphone in there...but there's no guarantee that it wouldn't slip out (given how slippery they are these days) as you sit down on a public transport bench. That being said, there are two interior pockets, one of them clearly shaped for an ipod or phone, so perhaps I should say that these outside pockets serve excellently as hand warmer pockets, but not for larger objects. Again, they are finished very well, like the rest of the jacket.

[Anonymous No.13478555]

>>13478510
>DMC5

Thats not DMC 5 faggot, thats a faggot reboot for faggot people

[Anonymous No.13478557]

Glad you like it OP!

[Anonymous No.13478558]

>>13478555
Also no one recognizes it because the reboot undersold because of how shit it is.

[Anonymous No.13478566]

Last pic for now. The bottom of the back of the jacket is separated, but it has a button clasp as any long coat should have in case you need to keep it closed to keep out the driving wind/rain. If you're wearing the jacket open while sitting down, then it'll be fine...but if you plan on sitting down with the jacket buttoned up, then I'd suggest unbuttoning the bottom back flap so that there isn't too much pressure placed on the connection. The connection isn't by any means weak...there are many stitches and things to reinforce this area, but at the same time I don't see the reason to test the strength of it due to laziness.

This is, without a doubt, a very practically designed jacket. Yes, the aesthetic design is taken from a videogame, as close as they can do it. But in terms of making a real-world garment that serves a function (leather rain coat with hood), it serves it very well. It shed water quickly and efficiently last night, and it didn't take too long to dry. Because the leather is already soft and well oiled, it hasn't picked up any serious creases yet (which normally happens with new leather that is still stiff), but I expect it'll happen in the coming weeks.

As I mentioned earlier, the construction of the jacket is top tier; it's comparable to the JAL I have, which is definitely in a higher league of hand-made art. Everything is well thought out, all the hardware works reliably and is securely fashioned, and there's no waste or poor execution of stitching and things like that.

As I mentioned sometime in the last thread, the leather panels are all high quality lamb, even on the interior panels, and even though it was antiqued, they didn't try to hide inferior leather under the antiquing.

[Anonymous No.13478572]

>>13478510
mods deleted it. probably because it made it to the 'popular threads' section on the front page and attracted all manner of /v/ here. its on warosu though

[Anonymous No.13478579]

Some have balked at the price. If we say this is a 500$ jacket, then bear this in mind. Long leather 3/4 coats (without hoods) that are worn over suits usually start around $500, but since they are normally made by fashion houses (like Hugo Boss, Ralph Lauren, etc.), the markup leads to these jackets starting around $1200. I think there is a genuine misunderstanding about the actual cost of leather production, specifically with regards to higher-grade leather. Not every skin is blemish free, and like wood grain or other natural materials, the fewer blemishes, the higher the cost.

My Boss long coat was 1600 when new, and that was 1990's prices. I can't imagine how much it would cost now, and it's a very simple design (though the tailoring is superb). Leather jackets cost money, and good leather jackets cost more money. It's part of the sacrifice.

>>13478555
It's DMC5 because that's what Soul Revolver calls it. https://www.soulrevolver.com/mens-leather-jackets/mens-replica-leather-jackets/dmc5 I'm well aware of the misnomer, but I'm going by what the company who produced that item I'm talking about calls said item.

>>13478557
Thanks....it's fucking awesome.

>>13478558
That's what I've been thinking. So many people hated it, that I wouldn't be surprised if normal gamers wouldn't even recognize it. Granted, the 'controversy' that the redesign of Dante generated could actually be a Streisand effect of a kind...that so many people hated the new Dante that they have his design etched into their heads. But it's just an hypothesis....

>>13478572
Interesting...I had no idea something like that could happen. Given the title of it, I can understand the confusion it caused...a lot of Anons were saying that they came to that thread from /v/, but I had NO idea how they knew to come there in the first place, nor why they were so mad when they found out it was about a jacket and not a game. My mistake, but an honest mistake.

Captcha is giving trouble...

[Anonymous No.13478582]

>>13478529
leather looks pretty good

[Anonymous No.13478593]

>>13478510
Can we ban OP

His faggotry will spread

[Anonymous No.13478595]

>>13478510
please get these sneakers OP and post with the coat in the next thread

[Anonymous No.13478632]

>only 7 posters
Stop OP

[Anonymous No.13478640]

>>13478582
Yes, the leather is indeed very nice. I had heard very good reports about their Italian factory, and this jacket absolutely lives up to that reputation. The leather is soft, supple, and the grain is uniform yet individual (which is how natural grain should be).

>>13478595
I actually have a pair of Chuck Taylors, the leather ones....but I've already paired that and it doesn't work. The problem here is a function clash problem....a raincoat with shoes that are in no way, shape, or form waterproof. But there's another thing that is a problem with this kind of design of shoe going with this style of jacket.

Soul Revolver did a wonderful and terrible thing. By making the jacket form fitting, for 'slim fit', they made it so that everything else either has to follow the aesthetic or be obtrusive as a clashing element. In the very first thread, I was talking about how in my research on fashion it became apparent that the fashion world views a leather jacket as 'the piece of interest' to the eye, no matter what jacket it is, and no matter the design. It's the centerpiece, and everything else around the jacket has to either conform to the aesthetics without overblowing it or be different without being distracting.

The shoes in your pic look waterproof to a degree, but their bulbous shape do not at all adhere to the aesthetics of a slim fit long coat. Like wearing a slim suit and clown shoes. If things were more airy or baggy, then the sneakers could work....but because the general shape of the jacket is one of close fit, the shoes just don't help you because they're the opposite of that.

>>13478632
Why? If this thread dies, it dies. But hopefully the Anons who are interested in this jacket will learn more about it before it's gone.

[Anonymous No.13478642]

>>13478640
But that's not Chuck Taylor

[Anonymous No.13478653]

>>13478642
I know....but my aesthetic reasoning still stands. The shoes in your pic still look bulbous and not in any way protective...there's something seriously wrong with that combination when you're wearing a long leather coat that is form fitting.

It's not a critique of the shoe, it's a critique of the combination. I don't think it can work, and after seeing how my chucks look (they're not the same, I know...but they're damn close in terms of aesthetic) I'm not willing to go that far out. For me, chucks should be worn as they are in your pic...with shorts and a t-shirt. Sporty, well-ventilated, and comfy. Function over form man....at least in this case.

[Anonymous No.13478660]

>>13478595
>>13478642
>>13478653
There is one exception I could think of. If they did chuck taylors in all grey or red, and all the white rubber parts were either black or grey or dark red. THEN I could see it working.

The white rubber sticks out hard, and the tips of one's toes are the last things you need to see poking out of the bottom of this jacket. Long coats tend to serve the function of drawing attention AWAY from the feet, towards the head (that's why they look so good with hats). The last thing you want to do is subvert this (unless you're Rian Johnson). Maybe I should put it another way...I do not wish to subvert the already admittedly unusual aspect of this jacket....it is absolutely as fashion would dictate; the centerpiece that cannot be ignored.

I'm genuinely amazed that the 'rules' of fashion I've read about actually make sense and aren't just bullshit. I never used to believe it...but I'm starting to understand it....

[Anonymous No.13478667]

>>13478660
What abour these then?

[Anonymous No.13478672]

>>13478667
Again, not really possible. The blue is awesome, but the lighter coloured toe cap and base are the problem.

One thing that seems to be universal in fashion aesthetics is that white or near white colours make objects look larger to the eye. We know this in general; if we dress in black, we look slim, and if we dress in white, we look bulgy. But it's more than that.

When we see white accents, our eyes tend to go straight to them because it's unlike what we normally see in nature except in the sky, and we only look to the sky to see things that are coloured against the sky. In other words, we look to white things in order to instinctively see a contrast, and our eyes do not tell us where the border of a white element is because it's assumed instinctively to be infinite, like the sky.

With white objects, it's the same; we see something that is white, but we have a hard time distinguishing the outline or border of the white object unless it's placed against something else that is darker coloured. With dark coloured objects, the shape and lines are much easier to differentiate.

The possible correlation exists as to why we also have, throughout human history, developed writing systems by the preference of making dark marks on lighter objects and not the other way around. But the reason I say this is only a possible correlation is because it might have been simply a limitation of the material at hand rather than anything else.

Anyway, no white toe caps. If the shoes are all white, then maybe...but nothing where this contrast exists. Plus, I still think it'll look awful regardless because in my view the shoes should be as dark as the grey of the coat or darker....nothing that has lighter accents or highlights.

[Anonymous No.13478751]

>>13478529
>>13478536
>>13478538
What the fuck is up with the England bullshit? Union Jack is a fag!

[Anonymous No.13478756]

This thread is gold lmao

[Anonymous No.13478764]

>>13478751
Perhaps you misunderstand the purpose of my post. Don't think of the flag as a flag, with all the political and historical associations. Think of it as a colour scheme or a textural difference. The point of the photos was to point out the use of blue, which is only hinted at in the colour scheme (in the antiqued red bits, it's dark towards black which could be misinterpreted by the eye as a bluish, purple tint), as well as how well it pops against the rest of the piece.

I understand it's possible to take things a little too figuratively, but really...just look at it as a bunch of pieces of leather stitched together, with different colours and a patch on the left shoulder. That changes your perspective immediately.

>>13478756
Thank you! Incidentally, this is one of the most comfortable jackets I've ever owned, especially for sitting down to a relaxing evening. I've never felt so comfy...and those who were concerned about the hood being 'too large'...well, it's actually on the 'small' side if you are looking for a traveling cloak style hood, which must be larger. This one is just large enough to cover the head without slipping off in the rain...but there isn't room for error. For my head, it's fucking perfect. But I think I've said that about this jacket in general so often that people might think I'm making it up.

It's tough to help people understand how hard it is to find a jacket that works for them, in terms of aesthetic, fit, and everything. This one just nails it.

Here's a pic without a flash, so you can get a better idea of the 'real' colours. It's very attractive in person....a kind of 'burnt' blood red. And it smells nice too...

[Anonymous No.13478767]

>>13478756
The worst part about all this is that the jacket does not look bad, its just that OP keeps posting six-seven paragraph long posts and its cringeworthy.

[Anonymous No.13478773]

>>13478767
There's a lot of information to impart, dear Anon. As tempting as it is to condense it, there is the obvious problem of losing the details in the process. Furthermore, the more information an Anon has before purchase, the better of they will be, wouldn't you say?

As for the jacket 'not looking bad', it's fucking stunning considering where the design came from. I can understand that lots of people who are familiar with the revamped Dante debacle will have a vision of this jacket in their minds that is what we see in the game, but it's simply not possible in real life, for lots of reasons.

For instance, something I was going to mention earlier is that there is no way anyone can get the look of the videogame in real life, for a simple programming fault when it comes to fabrics and layers. You see this in the concept art, but you also see it as the character moves in the game (I've seen a few playthroughs, just to get an idea of where this jacket came from). The basic issue is that leather, as a layer, is very different to things like fabric which tend to be far thinner, however in the game the leather jacket looks like it's the same thickness as any other fabric on the character, not only in how it rests but how it moves. Bunching of leather, and how leather will change shape depending on certain curves of a human body (like elbows, shoulders, etc) is not mimicked well on the game at all, and in short, it results in a look which is unattainable, even in hyper-thin people. Leather cannot act as a 'second skin' unless it is truly a second skin, like what Moss wears in The Matrix or Pfeiffer wears in Batman Returns.

For a long coat, it tapers at the waist properly, it has shoulders that are wide but not too wide (it's actually very 'British' in terms of fit that way), and as I mentioned the hood is perfect size, at least for me. cont.

[Anonymous No.13478775]

>>13478773
>cont.

It begins

[Anonymous No.13478778]

>>13478773
Its not bad looking. Theres nothing more to it. Soul Revolver seems okay but you’re just blatantly shilling it. It has nothing to do with the original. Its an edgy black and red leather long coat. Its extremely edgy and unappealing but it looks quality. The only reason it doesnt look bad is because of the appearance of quality.

[Anonymous No.13478782]

>>13478767
cont.

The sleeves are slightly long (by an inch, if you're going by suit sizing), but this is actually better for me because there are no gaskets where the sleeves attach to the body of the jacket. I know it looks like it, but it's an illusion created by the 'batwing' panel at the back. If you don't have articulated arms on a leather jacket, then when you hold your arms forward, like if you're on a bike, for example, then the sleeves retract (in my case by about 2 inches).

So, in this case, if my arms are held straight down, the cuff ends at my finger knuckle (the first one at the end of the upper part of the palm), but if my arms are held straight out front (like Frankenstein) then the cuffs end at my wrist, and if I cross my arms in front of my chest (like I'm listening intently but disagreeing) then the cuffs go past my ulna.

I love this jacket...and the more I wear it, the more I'm satisfied that it actually fulfills all my expectations in terms of comfort, practicality, fit, and obviously functionality.

tl;dr for both: Long posts are necessary in order to be precise and accurate. Furthermore, this jacket fits my body, my life, and my needs perfectly.

[Anonymous No.13478787]

>>13478782
But they aren’t. Your tldr was enough. Its autism at this point. Also your cuff shouldnt go past the bottom of your hands when your arms are at your side. Don’t put lipstick on that pig because what you described sounds like the sleeves dont fit you correctly.

[Anonymous No.13478791]

>>13478775
You're welcome to write a long post as well...and I can assure you I'll read it and respond to it if it contains valuable observations and insight. I don't just waste words here...they all have purpose.

>>13478778
I understand your perspective. Soul Revolver, in my view, is on the middle tier. You pay a little more, but you get what you paid for without being ripped off. If you go higher, you're looking into territory where the fit and finish is not as important as the name....that's where I tend to draw the line. I hate paying for the name, especially since I am intimately well aware of the actual costs involved in making jackets. To me, it's insulting for a company to charge more than 1500 for ANY leather jacket....there's no justification for it. But that's the market for you.

I disagree with your assessments however, some a little bit, some more. It's definitely close to the original as seen in the finished DMC game....though not necessarily similar to the one seen in the prototypes. It's not an 'edgy black and red leather long coat', it's grey and red. Furthermore, while I can concede your opinion that it's 'edgy', I still have yet to find anyone here who can define for me what that means. It seems to be just another word thrown about when something is associated with the typical shooter/loner who only feels comfortable interacting with society by putting on a hard edge to everything they say and do, perhaps in the hopes that someone will think, 'I should really get to know this guy...maybe he has a heart of gold underneath that hard 'mysterious' exterior'. Or maybe you're simply mistaking the coat for the character of Dante in that particular iteration....I don't know.

It is however definitely quality, and in that respect I agree with you. The devil is definitely in the details, and this coat gets them right or improves upon them.

[Anonymous No.13478798]

>>13478787
They are, and since I created this thread, I think I am afforded some leeway in this regard. Incidentally, is it always you who diagnoses me as being autistic, or is it just another word that people throw around here when they are too lazy to read everything? You do understand that this thread is meant for people who have recently shown interest in this jacket...I don't write all of this just to piss off people who don't like reading walls of text.

Regarding the cuff. Normally, I would agree with you, however leather jackets are an entirely different beast. Motorcycle jackets that are used for riding are notorious for having sleeves that are way too long...that's one of the reasons why you'll see so many rock stars push the sleeves up above their elbows...it's not for style, it's because if they left them down where they end, it would look long. Since the cuffs of motorcycle jackets also tend to have adjustments like zippers down the length or button snaps, it's very costly to have them altered, but this is actually a non-argument to begin with because when you ride a motorbike your arms are forward anyway, and the most annoying thing is to have sleeves that are not only too short when you're in this position but to have sleeves that tend to ride up from the wind and shit. So, if you work with normal riding motorcycle jackets, you are used to this.

Secondly, the lack of articulated shoulder/sleeve attachments is a very important consideration with a material as unforgiving as leather. Leather simply doesn't expand and contract the way that other materials will.

The rule which you state is correct for suits, and other clothing made of fabric. But for skins, I'm afraid you simply are applying the incorrect rules. If you're buying a leather jacket solely for fashion and not function, then I can agree with you. But if you're buying it for function, then I'm afraid you are simply incorrect.

For (((you))) tl;dr: Incorrect diagnoses everywhere.

[Anonymous No.13478812]

Perhaps this is as good a time as any to say a few things about leather jacket expectations. The misunderstandings in the last Anon's post are not the first utterings of these concerns on these threads on leather jackets, so perhaps I should try to clarify a few issues.

1) Leather absolutely does not stretch, not in the capacity that normal synthetics will. The general rule about leather is that it may expand if you purposefully stretch it (i.e. wet it, then put weights on it to stretch it out), but in general, leather is subject to your body's shape as well as how you move your body compared with how the leather is sewn together. This means that, as an example, if you get a jacket that has a 40 chest and you're 38-39, it'll be okay but look slightly big on you...and if you are 41, it'll be too tight and you'll either have to lose weight or sell the jacket. It's not like polyester or anything like that, where you have a range of a few inches either side of the size of the leather. Leather only fits down, but when you fit down you risk having it look too big for you because the 'frame' of the jacket will tell everyone that your body is too small for it (like a very small crab that has a huge shell).

2) The connection point for the sleeves to the body of the jacket will vary in construction depending on the company as well as the individual design. It can be constructed like a normal t-shirt, or it can have bits of extra fabric or even 'accordion' style expansion joints that allow for the movement of the arm to not stretch or stress the fabric under the armpit. Modern riding jackets (like ones by Alpinestar and other makers) are not made of leather anymore, but still have stretch panels and expansion joints because this is what riding jackets require. Older leather jackets will simply have extra panels of leather in the armpit area, or behind the joint on the back....cont.

[Anonymous No.13478818]

cont.
...you might find accordion style gaskets, with elastic built into the inside of the jacket to retract the panels when they are not in use while stretching forward to grip the handlebars.

The jackets with these gaskets, due to the automatic retraction of the sleeves, will allow you to have the effect that the Anon above had declared...that the 'cuff shouldn't go past the bottom of your hands when your arms are at your side'. This works with jackets like this....but with jackets without gaskets, you have a problem. Either the sleeve is long with your hands at your side but normal if you have your hands raised (like my coat) or the sleeve is normal with hands at your side but way too short if your hands are raised. Incidentally, I have a jacket like this, and it is very annoying, especially if you're sitting at a table with friends, resting your arm on the surface while you nurse a beer. The cuff retracts past your wrist, and you get the ST: TNG effect (watch any of the main characters after season 3 when they raise their hands above their belly-button...the cuff retracts HARD).

So, when you're choosing jackets, you have to take this into account too. It's just part of the sacrifice for this material.

[Anonymous No.13479448]

Small update: I'm going to finally address today the concern that another Anon had about the tapering of the jacket towards the waist. Earlier pics didn't take this issue into account at all, and given that the first full-body pics were quick-n-dirty shots with me just wearing houseclothes, it really wasn't indicative of what is possible with this jacket.

If any of you have actually read this far, then I'm grateful, and I'll be around to answer any questions you have (though as is standard with a site like this, I may not answer immediately if I'm not online). The questions can be based on the jacket itself, or leather jackets in general (though those will get a more varied response on 'Ledder Jackettes General'), but I've had quite a lot of experience with the material and the pitfalls of owning jackets, so I think I can be of help to Anons here. Thanks to all, pics coming soon.

[Anonymous No.13479452]

this nigga writing a novel about his retarded coat

[Anonymous No.13479480]

>>13479452
Leather is a deep topic, my man. Given how good/terrible it can make a person look, and also given the lack of knowledge behind many posts about it on /fa/, I think it's necessary to do some in-depth posting so that some Anons can learn why certain things work with this material.

Due to the size of the garment, the placement on the body, etc., a leather jacket will make or break the aesthetic of the person wearing it, as well as their intentions of what they want to portray or project to the society around them. That's why it's so difficult to get into it (unlike shoes, shirts, or even suits), and that's why it's so difficult to understand it. Furthermore, the cost is prohibitive so it's not possible for people to 'experiment' with leather jackets. Ultimately, the understanding of it is lost or held only by those who have gone through the painful and expensive process of trial-and-error.

I'm hoping to help alleviate some of that here, because /fa/ has helped me in the past in terms of understanding areas of aesthetics (specifically regarding shoes...that's something I've never understood until now...). In other words, I'm 'giving back'.

You're welcome to contribute, of course, but this thread is specifically about this jacket, and long jackets in general as well because the fit is essentially the same, and all the problems that come with it are the same. You may have noticed how many posts come around about 'how to wear a trench coat but not look like a shooter or Matrix wannabe'....well, hopefully the sum of my posts will elucidate how this can be done, and why you need to do certain things in order for it to work in a general sense.

If I am indeed writing a novel, then so be it. I prefer to see it as a set of installments with illustrations. Does that comfort you?

[Anonymous No.13479483]

>>13478510
this is some next level shit posting

[Anonymous No.13479507]

Neck yourself. Now.

[Anonymous No.13479711]

>>13478579
>Its DMC5 because Soul Revolver is retarded

You've convinced me to never buy their shit

[Anonymous No.13479743]

This thread is pure cringe

[Anonymous No.13479766]

>>13479483
Just wait....

>>13479711
They're not retarded, it's just that at the time I think they really didn't think it would make a difference. DMC was the 5th game in the series I think, so they naturally wanted to distinguish the design from the other ones, therefore they called it DMC5 Dante. The problem is that now they're actually making a DMC5, hence the confusion. Your feeling about not wanting to buy their jackets is understandable. But, if in the future you're looking for a leather jacket in that price range, they're definitely a company you should consider.

>>13479743
Just you wait....

[Anonymous No.13479783]

Okay, so I did some experimenting today. Some things I knew would work, and others I was trying to see what happens when you put them on film. In general, I was genuinely surprised at how well this coat works with more formal clothing, but given the lines it should probably be a no-brainer. But if you're used to only seeing this coat as being an extension of Dante-core, then perhaps you'll share my surprise.

The following posts will not include any discussion about shoes....my collection of shoes is very limited, so in truth there is absolutely no point discussing it now. Also, all the images were taken in the mirror, so I've reversed the image so that you get the true image rather than the reflection, so it'll look like it would on me if you saw me in the street. In addition, please forgive the fact that a few of the pics will be slightly out of focus...when you don't use a flash, the exposure is longer, and shaking can occur. But you'll get the idea.

The purpose of the following posts is to give interested Anons realistic ideas about what this jacket can look like on a normal person in good shape. I'm not model skinny, nor am I Hemsworth built. Just your average Joe who runs regularly, lifts regularly, but also has a job that involves a lot of core muscle use (hence my 'barrel' body). So, let us begin.

[Anonymous No.13479799]

This is the combination I wore the first night out that I had the jacket. Dark blue jeans (Levi's, slim fit), black v-neck shirt (large weave pattern). The v-neck always works with long coats, but in this case I think it's possible to do a v-neck that goes deeper into the chest. With a long coat, you can do a long v-neck because the elongation of the head frame is compensated by the length of the jacket...if you do a deep v-neck with a short jacket, the proportion is wrong.

The colours work, as they're all dark, and even the dark blue of the jeans work without any clashing or problems. In the evening, or in the rain, everything tends to fall into the black/grey colour anyway, so it's not noticeable or a problem. As before, the fit is fucking perfect for my body, and SR really did a good job on that.

One last thought about the shirt. If it's black, then you can increase the texture of the shirt because you don't see the texture as a clash with the jacket. If it was a bright colour, the texture might come out too much and clash. But I have yet to experiment with that...we'll see.

[Anonymous No.13479808]

It's very difficult to show the subtle taper this jacket has towards the waist. If you button the 3 top bottons, then it closes up and the taper is obvious in person, but on film (probably due to the 2D flattening of everything) it just doesn't come out much (nor does my posture when taking the picture help).

Anyway, from what I understand SR has this kind of taper for their jackets regardless of the design, which is why they describe them as 'slim fit'. I think it's fair to say that if you're wider at the waist than you are at the shoulders, these jackets will probably not fit you at all.

[king Don No.13479810]

>>13478767
How’s about you fuck off if more than two lines gives you a headache plebbo....

[Anonymous No.13479816]

A similar pic from the side; the jacket not only tapers at the sides towards the waist, but also from the front and back. Again, it's tough to see on film, but it's much more apparent in person. In some ways, it reminds me of the approach that was used for the Littlefinger costumes in Game of Thrones; they're always tapered HARD towards the waist, then then flare back out at the bottom. Granted, the actor is far thinner than I can ever get, so it's easier to accomplish (you can use shoulder pads to widen out the top, which is what costume designers usually use)...but you understand what I mean.

[Anonymous No.13479827]

The next two are similar, yet slightly different. I didn't get a good shot of the hood up last time, but I figured out how to do it. Here it is when the jacket is buttoned up. The hood is not too large, not too small, and if you have a normal sized head and you don't have an afro, then it's perfect. Quite frankly, I love this look more than anything, because it's not screaming 'I'm a videogame try-hard'. It's just a grey leather jacket with a hood in the rain. I understand that many may not agree, but these are my thoughts and impressions regardless.

[Anonymous No.13479828]

>>13479799
Given the length of your posts you strike me as an attentive lover, is this femanon correct? Xx

[Anonymous No.13479832]

>soul revolver
i wanted exactly this coat when i was still in school. so lucky my mom did not get it for me. i mean, i have no friends either way, but right now i have no enemies either.

[Anonymous No.13479833]

This is with the jacket open, but the hood still up. You'll notice that the side tapers are nearly lost entirely, and the shape becomes Donald Trumpish in terms of just rectangle. It's not a bad thing really, but it's what you have to expect with long coats, which all tend to turn into rectangles if they're not buttoned up. Never forget that long coats get their shape from the widest part of the body and then drape down like a waterfall, so if your shoulders are the widest (as they should be), then you just get a tapestry hanging squarely. That's why long coats tend to be buttoned at the waist to cinch it up, and give the body some shape and form.

[Anonymous No.13479834]

do you seriously need to go into this much depth? I don't want to read a book to get a feeling for a jacket. I understand you want to inform anyone interested in this jacket... but holy shit, this much text is not necessary!

[Anonymous No.13479836]

>>13479827
Haha bro the red “accents” look like a roasties beef curtains! It’s a vag coat bruh!

[Anonymous No.13479837]

*Snap*

[Anonymous No.13479844]

I will respond to the posts momentarily...I don't want to lose my train of thought.

This is with grey suit trousers and dark blue shirt: the first more formal attempt. Collared shirts are surprisingly fine with this jacket, as long as you take into account the basic colour scheme. Grey trousers, incidentally, are perfect no matter what, but then again that seems to be an obvious choice. The suit trousers are not slim fit, just normal, so this again is proof that this jacket can work with non-slim fit, as long as the colour and/or texture do not distract the eye.

[Anonymous No.13479854]

I can’t imagine spending hundreds of dollars on a video game costume jacket only to spend hours typing an essay defending it on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.13479856]

However!!! This is a purple collared shirt with the same trousers. You'll notice that it's not nearly as interesting. There are a couple possible reasons why (the shirt is identical to the blue one in terms of manufacture, just a different colour), but my hunch is that the purple is not far enough away from the red of the jacket to be interesting to the eye, but not close enough to blend in and be a kind of 'match'. So, it's in-between, and thus I think it just doesn't look good at all.

I have had reservations about putting any sort of red colour with this jacket....and this confirms my concern. But maybe one day I'll find a shade that looks good....for now, I think I'll avoid it. But collared shirts are definitely a go if need be. The only problem is that I tried on this jacket with a suit jacket underneath, and it's just not possible to do so without crushing the suit jacket inside. This jacket fits close to the body...it has no room for anything extra. One layer only.

[Anonymous No.13479860]

>>13479844
>>13479856
you're making a beginners mistake here.
nobody will notice about all this stuff youre talking about.
wear your coat with confidence if you like it, but you're wasting your time trying to teach us right now.

[Anonymous No.13479864]

>>13479844
>>13479856
if you can spend 500 on a coat, spend the other 500 on the rest of your wardrobe holy shit

never wear that kind of collared shirt unbuttoned or without a tie.

do you work in IT or sales or something or still at school.

[Anonymous No.13479867]

>>13479856
Wew
You could fit a whole revolver in all that extra space at the cuffs of your oversized sleeves

[Anonymous No.13479870]

The great experiment. This is 'clean' Dante core, which is not something I'd ever wear in public but I thought I'd include here for laughs. The undershirt is standard, but clean, and the skinny black jeans are clean, undistressed.

Lots of things to talk about here. I'd never wear an undershirt in public...I think it looks lazy and shitty, even on a hot day (that's what Linen shirts are for). But of course it works with the coat because of the big neckline. This was not something that occurred to me at all until I started thinking about why v-neck shirts work so well with long coats. Undershirts have the same benefit: a long neck line. The colours of course work with the rest of the aesthetic, so nothing to talk about there.

It was interesting to me, to really think about the 'why' of this combination, as my instincts would never put these things together. Even an wearing a standard biker jacket with an undershirt to me seems 'dirty'....but I can understand why the designers went with this combo. In real life, it works on film, just because of the colours and shapes. Very interesting to me....

[Anonymous No.13479871]

>>13479856
>This jacket fits close to the body...it has no room for anything extra. One layer only.

No shit sherlock, you don't need to write a dissertation defending your proof on how to wear this jacket to know it was designed to only be worn like video game character, only a tank top or tshirt underneath

[Anonymous No.13479874]

>>13479871
So many fat jelly cunts here. Dante you realize /fa/ is full of ugly fat people yeah?

[Anonymous No.13479876]

>>13479870
if you have to to put this much thought into a garment after purchasing it, don't you think it would be the more intelligent thing to do this before dropping $500 on this jacket?

this is the only good fit out of all the abysmal ones you posted because it actually fits the grunge aesthetic the designers were going for. the jacket is supposed to look lazy and shitty you fool, not classy and refined like the way you think about your writing and mental processes.

[Anonymous No.13479877]

Last, but not least, the vest option. I'd initially thought this would be a good idea in my head, but upon execution I was gently surprised at how well it worked. Again though, it's because of the lengthening of the neck line into the body....when you do that, the proportions all work out.

I did briefly try doing a shirt with done up with a tie, but this doesn't work at all. Once again, it's related to the neck line. When you have a tie, the neck line is high, and the tie going down segments vertically what people can see of your chest. This fucks with the proportions, and unless you're really fat (and need the vertical help), I think this is not a very good idea. Or at least, it's not a good idea for my body.

Okay, so that's it for now, and I'll try to answer the posts that have come in. Thanks for your patience, enthusiasm, and of course, incredulity and frustration...lol

[Anonymous No.13479878]

[Anonymous No.13479882]

>Play too many video games
>Perception of fashion is created by nerds and too much time indoors
>Buy $500 gay vampire costume leather jacket
>Dress like a gay vampire
>Post pics of self to 4chan
>Spend hours typing proof-level responses and paragraph essays defending purchase
>Reply to every kind of critic with snark and a verbal “fedora tip” level of snark
OP, please, log off, go outside.

[Anonymous No.13479891]

>>13479810
I appreciate the support Anon, but I've encountered this kind of response so often that it simply doesn't register anymore. But I appreciate it nevertheless.

>>13479828
But but, I thought 'there are no girls on the internet'?

>>13479832
Shit man...you must be young. They haven't had this jacket for that long, have they? You could still get this jacket...and certainly the Italian factory is far better in their production than what they had before. 'i have no friends either way'....sorry Anon, I hope that will change soon. 'i have no enemies either'...well, to be honest I like having enemies...it's proven to me that I make a difference in this world. Things will get better for you Anon, if you take hold of the world by the horns and make it conform to your wishes.

>>13479834
Yes. As I've mentioned, the devil is in the details. The more you know, the more you can take into account when it comes to a subject. It may not be valuable to you, but I know it's valuable to others. Take the time to read it, I don't waste words or thoughts.

>>13479836
Yes, it is vaginal, isn't it. You should see it from the front when the hood is up...

>>13479854
It isn't a defense Anon...it's a documentation. There is nothing to defend, and if I didn't like the opinions of Anons here, I simply wouldn't spend the effort to post. But you already knew that, didn't you?

>>13479860

You'd be surprised. Usually after a few days, I get the responses that are serious, and not just random Anons falling into the thread and making a cute comment. The only thing is that recently I've tried to keep the discussion about this jacket limited to this thread, because occasionally serious questions would arise on the other two (Ledder Jackettes and the one about costume fashion) and I'd always feel guilty about hijacking a thread just to deal with questions about my jacket here. It's okay Anon, I know what I'm doing, and I appreciate your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.13479902]

>>13479864
The shirts are simply an option during the evening; I wear suits often, but normally it's ONLY proper white shirts, French cuffs, etc. Never coloured shirts like this. It seems I may have forgotten to mention it. The bare white collared shirt with the jacket doesn't work at all....you need something to lengthen the neck line. I didn't bother to take a pic of it because it's a dead failure, and doesn't require discussion really.

Regarding the collared shirts being unbottoned without a tie, it's actually a very common thing where I live, and as I've mentioned before, you always have to take your own society and culture into account when it comes to aesthetic designs. No, I don't work in IT and I'm not still in school. If I were in IT, I'd probably be a little overweight, and a little suicidal (I don't like computers that much)....

>>13479867
This has come up before. You'll never get a leather long coat with sleeves that are tapered hard unless they are adjustable (i.e. lengthwise zippers like on a motorcycle jacket). Normal leather long coats that go over suits also have large cuffs...it's just the way it is. Granted, they are designed to go over full suits (jacket and all), whereas my jacket is simply a jacket. While I could agree with you, I simply don't like the idea. I have rather large hands, and small cuffs make my hands feel restricted. It's not a justification of the design (though it could be interpreted as such)...I treat it as yet another thing about this jacket that suits me personally. But I understand where you're coming from.

[Anonymous No.13479906]

My dude please just go to reddit malefashionadvice if you are seeking actual serious responses from people. The moderation and culture there makes it so that people are more likely to calmly discuss things with you.

You are wasting your time here on 4chan

[Anonymous No.13479915]

>>13479871
I think you've missed the point of this thread. When I started the very first thread about this jacket about a week ago, the biggest issue which kept on coming up was about if I was going to look like an idiot dressing up as Dante. I tried to communicate that this was NOT my intention at all...that I had enough ideas of wearing this jacket with 'normal' clothing that it wasn't going to be an issue. This means that the current thread you're on is really about fulfilling that idea: to show what is possible, what isn't possible, and what directions one can go to turn this from a video-game jacket into a normal piece of hardware.

The mention of the jacket being form-fitting is actually because of something you probably don't know about. Soul Revolver is known in the industry for producing jackets that fit like SuperDry jackets, only slimmer. The joke is that you can only wear a thin t-shirt underneath them, and if you dare to wear a sweater, the zipper will break. Even with a long, large coat like this, the fit holds true for SR. There still is no room for anything else. This is not because the jacket was designed to be worn like a video-game character. It's because SR fit is very specific to their company and seems to be universal in all their designs.

>>13479874
I understand your concern, but I would never make that assumption. It takes all kinds of people to make a world, and we're all at different points in terms of our fitness development and maintenance. The last thing I'm going to do is say that 'ugly fat people' are to be ridiculed. Only in the past decade have I taken my health seriously enough to learn how to maintain it a little better every day. We all have our flaws, Anon, and I won't begrudge someone who criticizes my enthusiasm...I'll simply either ignore them (if it's an obvious troll) or try to inform them of my reasoning. There's enough hatred in this world...we don't need to add to it, do we?

[Anonymous No.13479934]

>>13478751
Bunch of posers, man

[Anonymous No.13479943]

>>13479876
This is why I'm sad that my 2nd thread was deleted and not moved to the archives. I detailed in that thread what I'm going to tell you now in brief. I've always loved the design (after stumbling across it on their website years ago...I've never played the game), but only recently did I decide to actually buy it. I knew what I was going to wear (see the first fit pic with Black v-neck and blue jeans), and I had options along those lines. But Anons on that thread expressed interest in seeing what else I could come up with, hence this thread you see today.

Interesting about your thoughts on the Dante-core fit...while I think it works, it's definitely not something I'd ever wear in public. It's a costume in this iteration....not a coat that has a purpose. And I do disagree about the other fits being 'abysmal'....but I think you were being extreme to make a point.

>the jacket is supposed to look lazy and shitty you fool, not classy and refined...

I disagree entirely with this statement. The coat as manufactured by SR isn't 'supposed' to look like anything. It's a coat. The materials are refined, the cut is refined, and the only thing that is grunge is the antiquing of the colours. You really do have to separate your expectations based on a video-game from the real-world iteration of this jacket...the two are definitely separate entities, and I think I've managed to prove that in this thread. So, what I'm saying is, I disagree with you because I think there are far more options available than the restriction of Dante Core.

>>13479882
>hasn't played videogames in years
>Perception of fashion is at odds with nerds, and spends enough time outside to get tanned.
>Buy $500 vagina long coat (thanks Anon!)
>Dress like normal human been.
>Post pics of self to 4chan to inform and discuss with 'fans' of the jacket.
>Spend hours typing responses and paragraph essays to dissect, discuss, and document purchase.
>Reply with kindness and thoughtfulness.

:)

[Anonymous No.13479958]

>>13479906
I don't like Reddit. They're idiots who are only interested in group consensus.

>You are wasting your time here on 4chan

That's one of the reasons I like 4chan. It's an hilarious waste of time if I need a break from real life. That being said, people here are far more likely to be honest, even indirectly. I value that. It's one thing if someone says, 'kill yourself faggot'....but it's another if when I ask him why he said that, he'll actually have reasons that I can think about.

For instance, the last Anon who was rather aggravated and made the comment about the Dante-core pic being the best fit....I honestly thought it was not the greatest, though not terrible. But that's because I see the combination as awful because of my aversion to wearing undershirts in public...in other words, it illuminated for me an inherent bias I have which maybe I should reconsider. Even if that Anon was just being polemic, it was still valuable to me to hear what he had to say.

Thanks to everyone...I think I've finally caught up. I hope this was of use to some people, and if you have any questions, I'll try to answer them (if not now, then when I'm online again).

One last shot...I really like the white-shirt-black-vest-black-trousers combination...it's kinda formal, kinda relaxed, kinda reserved, kinda extroverted...Love it.

[Anonymous No.13479963]

>>13479891
i'm 21. i wanted this jacket when i was 15. so it's been a while.

[Anonymous No.13479979]

>>13479963
Yeah, I thought about this jacket for about 4 years or so. Here's the thing Anon, and I'll be honest with you.

My social group consists of people who don't play videogames, and who didn't grow up playing videogames the way that many young people experience today. Furthermore, when I go out with them, we tend to talk about hard issues related to societal problems, politics, etc. Granted, it took years to form a group like this where everyone is respectful, thoughtful, etc...but the point is that if I were to ask any of them if they knew what 'Devil May Cry' is, they'd say, 'Don't you mean, 'devil may care'? (which is a saying of a kind)' When I went out two nights ago, no one recognized the jacket for the source, and if any strangers did, they didn't 'point and laugh' the way that our worst imaginations can come up with. As I've tried to communicate, this for me is first and foremost a raincoat in leather that has a hood. By using it for that function, in a culture where no one gives a damn about the source material, it simply serves the function while being slightly more extrovert (because of the red paneling) than a normal grey rain coat. See what I mean?

If you're in good shape, then this coat would be fine for you. But if you hang out with people who know the game, or are living in a culture/society where people dress conservatively, then perhaps you'll stick out. We get a lot of unpredictable rain where I live, so raincoats/umbrellas are always a necessity. But if you live where there's lots of sun, very little rain, etc...then once again, having the jacket will look out of place on you.

There's nothing wrong with the jacket itself. It's what happens when you transplant that jacket onto your body, your personal style, and the environment you live in. Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.13479982]

>>>/cgl/

[Anonymous No.13479989]

I thought people who owned the jacket from Drive were autistic, but this is autism on a whole new level.

I know you have convinced yourself that the jacket looks good, but everyone thinks you look retarded. Nothing you've posted looks good with that shit ugly jacket. You might as well be wearing a three piece suit with socks and sandals.

[Anonymous No.13480006]

[Anonymous No.13480015]

[Anonymous No.13480024]

Dude you are seriously autistic. You have written in this thread at least 8000 words about your weeb coat. You want to justify spending a fuck ton of money on that shit with this or what?

[Anonymous No.13480027]

[Anonymous No.13480030]

[Anonymous No.13480033]

[Anonymous No.13480128]

>>13479877
Fatty

>>13479878
I'm already bald. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.13480151]

It honestly doesn't look as bad as it should, OP. You don't quite pull it off, but it could be a lot worse. Are you Asian?

[Anonymous No.13480203]

Holy fuck kill yourself OP

[Anonymous No.13480523]

What do you guys think of my coat? I'm going for Officer K in BR2049

[Anonymous No.13480545]

Know what OP ? Do you. If your happy with your purchase then own it like a mofo. Long leather overcoats are still a very bad composition choice so I won't validate that; but I'll validate the confidence to wear a piece and try to make it work.
THAT is /fa/.

[Anonymous No.13480558]

>>13478510
Whatever you may like, you do not wear trenchcoats in public. You look like a retard and an autistic school shooter

[Anonymous No.13480692]

>>13480151
I appreciate your thoughts, but in all honesty I'd like a bit more, if you can spare the time. You say, 'You don't quite pull it off...' Can you elaborate on this? Aside from the obvious fact that you're not interacting with me on a personal basis, so charisma and force of personality are simply non-existent in this context, what are the specific issues that encourage you to come to that conclusion? I'm asking seriously, and honestly, as I'm curious what elements look less than ideal to your eyes.

>Are you Asian?
No. Does my skin look extra yellow because of the lightbulbs we use? (energy saving my ass...)

>>13480545
I appreciate the sentiments Anon. I am happily 'doing me', and this jacket will see more action tonight. Interesting what you say here:

>Long leather overcoats are still a very bad composition choice so I won't validate that...

Like the other Anon I responded to, can you elaborate, if you have some time? I'd really like to know what you mean by this, particularly 'bad composition choice'. Is it in terms of shape, drape, colour palette, figure...everything? I'd be grateful to hear more about this.

>>13480558
Trenchcoats can serve a purpose, if you have the correct climate. I see them downtown often. Obviously if one wears a trenchcoat in the middle of a summer with no rain, or inside of a school, then it becomes a social or fashion statement, and then is subject to higher scrutiny....but fortunately this isn't a trenchcoat, so it's not a problem.

[Anonymous No.13481277]

Fuck this board I'm out

[Anonymous No.13481621]

Oh my beans this guy again

[Anonymous No.13481679]

>>13480523
Actually much more reasonable desu

[Anonymous No.13481689]

>>13480006
>ocular patdown initiated

[Anonymous No.13481691]

i think the jacket looks better than i thought it would. If it were without the red accents i’d consider buying it myself. I recommend you wear simple stuff like henleys or thermals with that jacket

[Anonymous No.13481839]

>>13478510
>DMC5
Thats the coat from DmC the shit reboot.
THIS is the DMC 5 Nero coat.

[Anonymous No.13481853]

>>13478660
>If they did chuck taylors in all grey or red
They do

[Anonymous No.13481860]

>>13481691
Awesome! I have one Henley, and it never even occurred to me to try the combination. Thanks for the suggestion...I think it would look really good!

>>13481853
Then, it's a possibility. But to be honest I'm not going to buy them just yet. I don't know about you guys, but Chucks are fucking uncomfortable for me if I walk in them for more than an hour...I don't know, something to do with my foot geometry and the fact that it's basically a flat piece of rubber. They're excellent for foot grip in lifting...but awful for just about anything else.

[Anonymous No.13482192]

This thread is pure gold, keep those comments coming! Pic related is probably the closest I would come to wearing a movie/bideogame coat.

[Anonymous No.13482338]

>>13482192
The funny thing about the coat you mention with your pic is that it's just a standard pea-coat, though perhaps these may have been modified slightly to allow for the weaponry. Pea-coats are very common in certain places, and no one would really think of it being 'from a movie or videogame'.

I've taken my jacket out two nights now, and it's very much now 'normal' to me in terms of wearing it in public. This is the usual case with fashion...the more you wear it, the more it simply becomes normal. Of course, I realize the danger of this adaptation, but it holds true even for something as outside of my normal aesthetic as this coat.

You may not believe it, or you may think I'm trolling here, but in all seriousness, if you dress appropriately with this jacket, then it no longer seems 'extravagant' enough to warrant comment or scorn from even the most hardline people. From the rear, it's a normal grey leather jacket with detailing under the hood...and from the front the red is so muted and dark as to be a gentle change from the norm. It's really far less strange in real life than people here seem to predict. But that's THIS jacket in particular. I can't say the same for shitty companies that do a cosplay version of this, with bright colours, fake leather, shit fits, and so forth....

[Anonymous No.13482358]

>>13478510
holy fucking shit dude

[Anonymous No.13482467]

>>13479870
this is the closest to a good looking fit you've posted all thread

[Anonymous No.13482485]

>>13482467
Similar to:
>>13479876

So, I have a few questions for you guys specifically:
1) Are you making fun of me?
2) No, seriously, are you making fun of me?

When I took the pics of Dante-core, it was FOR LAUGHS because I thought it looked ridiculous. But now two anons have said it's the best type of fit in any of the pics I've posted.

3) Does it look like the best fit to you because it is essentially what you expect with the jacket (i.e. Dante-core)? In other words, because it fulfills the original costume look, it looks the most 'right' to your eyes because of prior expectations?

I don't get it, honestly....and I wish someone would explain their ideas behind the feeling. It would really help....

Also, if you are just making fun of me, that's okay too....but if you're serious, then I'd really like to know what reasoning is behind it all, because then I can learn something...

[Anonymous No.13482503]

>>13482485
The only fit pic worth taking of this autismo cancer rag is of it on fire in a dumpster with you wrapped in it....

[Anonymous No.13482538]

>>13482485
Lmao op is feeling buyers remorse already and is trying to justify his shitty purchase

[Anonymous No.13482581]

>>13482485
I am not making fun of you. You have a misguided perception of basic fashion fundamentals probably from where you live or your lack of exposure to modern fashion, aesthetic, proportions, etc. What this board considers under the catchall therm "effay"

What you lack is an understanding of how to match things, as well as why certain things look good. There are a breadth of inspo threads on fa that are for somewhat shitty but at least grasping for a "look". There's a reason costume designer is a profession because they know from years of experience that this garment goes with this outfit and this outfit fits in the context of this world in this film.

Another thing is balance. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the term statement piece, but this jacket the most statement of pieces.

This anon's jacket >>13480523 is also a statement piece but it relies less on details and more on the general construction/texture/color of the jacket. See the texture on the collar, the little scuffs on the chest. Wearing a piece like this entails that the rest of your outfit be understated, hence the tees and the plain pants.

Your jacket is filled with distracting details. Bright red lapels, unconventional patterning on the sleeve, and worst of all the extremely outdated back and hood cut. There are two ways you make this fit work. You go all out full victorian gear and dress like an eccentric peacocker. Satin waistcoat, suit pants that match the jacket's texture, and leather boots. Basically vanhelsing. The other way is the grunge punk way the game designers are going for.

[Anonymous No.13482596]

>>13482581
>>13482485

If I have to boil it down for you, this jacket is wearing you, you are not wearing this jacket.

[Anonymous No.13482671]

>>13482581
This is AWESOME! This is precisely what I wanted to hear, so thank you for taking the time to spell it out. First off, your assessment of my knowledge of modern fashion is spot on, that's one of the reasons I came here in the first place last week. I'm still learning about issues of colour, texture, proportions, etc, but much of it is still a mystery to me (like appreciating sculpture, which I've never been able to do). But, I'm slowly learning (though it may not show).

I agree with you on nearly everything you said, and what interests me the most is your last paragraph, where you detail all the elements of the jacket that are problematic for the aesthetic and look of the jacket. This is what NO one before has talked about specifically, hence why I value your post so much.

My first thread from last week about this jacket was all about the question of what could go with it aside from the Dante-costume. As you can imagine, I didn't get many responses that were serious, and none that actually detailed the specific problems of the jacket that must be either adapted to, circumvented, or celebrated. Yours is THE FIRST to do this in detail, which allows me to ask you some follow-up questions.

1) The van-helsing look is something that came up very early on in my thinking, and at least my attempts with a normal black vest/white shirt proved to my own eye that the combination of suit-like shapes would work with a jacket like this. But help me to understand, if you can, just once more. When you mean 'suit pants that match the jacket's texture', are you meaning something along the lines of wool or slightly distressed suit material a la Jack the Ripper? That would be my guess...but as I said, I'm still learning here.

2) Why does the grunge punk aesthetic work so well with this jacket? I've been trying to figure out if people like the combination only because it's from the game, or if there is something else that tells their eyes that it is 'correct'.

[Anonymous No.13482674]

>>13482581
>>13482596
cont.
On that second question regarding Grunge. What I wanted to say was that clearly there are aesthetic reasons for this, or at least your post gives me this impression. Could you elaborate on this for me?

My heartiest thanks to you....this is PRECISELY what I've been waiting to discuss with someone here.

[Anonymous No.13482958]

Reminds me of Buffy desu

[Anonymous No.13482997]

>>13482674
There’s nothing more to say. You bought a costume piece that is best worn.....AS A FUCKING COSTUME PIECE. Now go buy a pair of Frye Smith Engineer boots, leather pants and a fucking burgundy waistcoat with 19th century fob before fucking some Morlocks you sad sack motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.13483223]

>>13482997
The greatest difficulty in understanding anything that is potentially subjective in terms of judgement comes from the leap between understanding 'how' to do something and understanding 'why'. Understanding 'how' allows us to imitate, but understanding 'why' allows us to create.

I've endeavored, though my posts on other threads and boards, to always help people who have questions, no matter how naive or ill-worded they may be, and my intention is always to help them not only understand if something fails or succeeds but most importantly why something fails or succeeds. When they understand the 'why', then they can develop their own judgements about themselves, and be more honest about whether or not (as an example) an aesthetic suits them.

I thought your post before was remarkable because it had the potential 'why' behind it, and I was genuinely hopeful that you'd share this understanding with me. It looked as if we could have delved into an interesting topic, not only for myself but for anyone else who is lurking and interested. Understanding 'why' Dante-core works with this jacket is exceedingly important to me...I already know that it works, but I want to know why. The knowledge of 'why' would help me to apply those ideas to other areas of fashion and aesthetics in general, and to even understand things that at the moment do not at all make sense to my eyes.

I will ask you again, if you will reconsider, to help me understand 'why' to the questions I posed to you. The steampunk victorian suit thing makes sense to me, but it already made sense to me before. I can see the 'gothic' connections of the jacket very easily, and the long coat is a standard with suits. All of that makes sense.

But the Dante-core, that doesn't make sense to me at all, aside from the fact that it was in a videogame as the final costume. If you know 'why', or even if it's just a hunch, would you be kind enough to posit here?

I'm grateful nevertheless for your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.13483247]

Incidentally everyone, it looks like Ledder Jackettes general didn't survive....so I guess you might as well ask questions here if you have any...

[Anonymous No.13483312]

>>13482674
>>13482671

Just got back. I mentioned this before, but if you want to actually discuss this kind of stuff, I'm telling you just go make a reddit account and get good advice from people on /r/malefashionadvice

I admit I was shitting on you earlier too on one of your first threads but it's mainly from how bewildered I am of your approach of soliciting fashion advice started on 4chan instead of other online resources.

on to the points.

1. your guess that it is something like the 1880s late victorian era style is close. i'm going to list off some designers that borrow elements from menswear during the late victorian/bustle period:
alexander mcqueen fw 09/10, julius by tatsuo horikawa, yohji yamamoto FW 2015 and 2017, m.a+ by maurizio amadei. these guys are all hallmarks of what is today known as modern gothic or dark avant garde fashion. they take old traditional cuts and exaggerate parts of it. all use leather, suiting fabrics like wool/cotton twill/etc, and in the case of yohji/mcqueen red accents.

i can't fully articulate why suit pants would work with this jacket, i just have a feeling it does based on the works of designers i've been exposed to.

2. grunge and alternative/punk counter culture is the other archetype of this jacket style, and also happens to be the the subculture that Dante falls under. this has a different history but you have to go back to how a leather jacket came to represent counterculture. leather jackets were associated with military gear, then bikers, then parallel adoption in 1960s by american greasers and british mods of the tough guy archetype (james dean, steven mcqueen. you use something that is anti-culture such as military gear, and subvert it as a form of protest. pic related is a ww2 leather trench coat

[Anonymous No.13483380]

>>13483312
So >>13482997 wasn't you then? Just another Anon posting as you?

>>13483312
This, this is exactly where I wanted to take things. First, THANK YOU for taking the time to write this out...you have NO idea how grateful I am.

Okay, I'll try to go point by point.

> I'm telling you just go make a reddit account and get good advice from people on /r/malefashionadvice

The reason I don't go on Reddit anymore is that it is in many respects a race to the bottom. I used to post there in my area of expertise (obviously NOT fashion), and what I quickly learned was that the site promotes group consensus as opposed to correct information and knowledge. I've always found 4chan to be something of a crucible when it comes to ideas, where I can get ideas that are entirely against mainstream thought, so that's why I'm here instead of there. It's not so much for finding something that is 'right', it's about finding something that is honest. And I get far more honesty than on reddit.

Regarding your point 1 response. I'll have a serious look into the designers you mention; it never occurred to me to look at modern designers using this aesthetic to inform me of how to dress with this jacket...I was always under the assumption that it's a matter of determining what possible aesthetics go with the jacket, and then building an individual fashion out of combinations of those that fit my body and personal style/personality. In other words, I'm trying to run before walking, in a sense, but it's a fault in my nature that I have difficulty keeping in check. So, I'll look into it.

2nd point response: I'm fortunately quite familiar with the leather jacket history in general, perhaps more so focused on motorcycle jackets (as that makes up the majority of my collection). The grunge thing I understand on the most superficial level i.e. the full combination. What I don't understand is why individual pieces in the aesthetic work while others don't. cont.

[Anonymous No.13483398]

>>13483312
I'm clearly having difficulty transcribing my thoughts, so perhaps I'll try and describe my thought process so you can tell me where I've gone wrong.

1) Historical associations with pieces of clothing, and ultimately 'function determining form', makes sense to me. I see why certain things are the way they are (B3 jackets, for instance), and I see why they tend to go with certain items of clothing well and others not so well. That's the easiest to me. Long leather coats are, in this category, 'obvious'. Protective garment, over usually an army uniform. It's not an accident that my normal long coat is a Hugo Boss, nor is it an accident that I'll never wear it over my black suit if I happen to be in Hamburg.

But, what I have significant difficulty with is this:
2) Historical styles repurposed for contemporary combinations, either to make an artistic statement of irony, rejection, recomposition, etc.. This is where things go all to hell for me. The punk use of leather jackets in their rebellion makes sense, especially in the historical context of the boomer 80s..that is something that makes sense to me. Instead of fine fabrics, we get torn jeans, etc. A leather jacket is fully functional over form, whereas much of the high society clothing was form over function, so again, full rebellion. I get that (I think).

But let's take the pic you posted of the ww2 Nazi long coat (if it has the buttons on the back, then it's definitely from that pattern). You have the usual torn jeans, t-shirt with illustration, 'wild' hair, and shoes that are almost boots with the jeans tucked in. The first ideas that come to mind are this:
1) The t-shirt adds some visual interest to a blank grey/green canvas that the coat creates (a shirt and tie would probably do the same, but I'm guessing here based on past experience).
2) The jeans are tucked into the boots to emulate the old military style, but with a 'contemporary' flair (a guess....???)
cont.

[Anonymous No.13483405]

>>13483312
>>13483398
cont.
3) The colour palette is relatively uniform: grey, black, white, blue. Nothing out of the ordinary, nothing popping out except maybe the shades which are on the side of yellow.

While it wouldn't be the first combination I'd think of, it all seems to work for my eyes. The old style coat goes well with jeans that are distressed enough to seem 'old'. The shirt adds some visual interest, because if it were just plain black then it would be really boring as hell. While I personally hate the jeans tucked into the shoes, if I'm right about the callback to the military style boots, then it makes sense (it's one of the things I also hate about the Dante-core...the tucked in pants to the boots...).

Okay, so how far off am I in my deductions? This is where I learn the most....when you can tell me what is right, what's wrong, and why.

Man, if you were here I'd take you for a drink post haste and pick your brain until you either booted me out of the pub or drunk me under the table (all the while wearing my favorite new jacket). In all seriousness, my infinite thanks, and I look forward to your response.

[Anonymous No.13484285]

This is one of the most gloriously autistic things this board has seen for some time

[Anonymous No.13484294]

>>13483380
It’s called samefagging...

[Anonymous No.13484315]

>>13479878
I am a sinner, but a humble servent

[Anonymous No.13484633]

>>13483312
A few more thoughts, sorry to bombard you with them, but I think I'm getting closer to the core.

>i can't fully articulate why suit pants would work with this jacket, i just have a feeling it does...

Suit pants DEFINITELY work with this jacket...the second night out I was wearing dark grey suit pants, and certainly in the pics above that use them it looks absolutely fine from the bottom down. My question for you was more on the lines of 'what did you mean specifically when you said:
>suit pants that match the jacket's texture
Were you thinking of 'twill', or other textured trouser material that you'd see in an 1880's suit rather than the smooth fabrics we see today?

Lastly, I think I can spell out my question for your properly (it seems a good night's sleep was what was needed).

When fashion is recombined from its original purpose, certain elements are kept and others are jettisoned. Maybe the elements that are kept are exaggerated, maybe not. The re-combination with other elements that used to be considered entirely disparate obviously relies upon the expertise of the fashion designer, knowledge of what works and what doesn't, and their instinct for things that no one else would think of doing.

But here's where it goes a little nutty for me. I can always find a designer to emulate i.e. take their combinations and just copy it until they come up with something new. That's relatively easy in my view. What I'm trying to do with this jacket is find things that work with it that are not already part of an established aesthetic.

I realize this is a complex topic, and it seems to grow the more I think about it. Societal factors play a part, economy of people and materials, but the one thing that seems to disappear entirely is original function. That becomes a kind of 'hint' to the whole visual aspect but not an actual core facet of the idea. In other words, it's like an added spice, but not a food group.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13484656]

>>13484633
cont.

It all comes down to this: I want to create MY OWN aesthetic in which this jacket is one element (albeit probably the most visually dominant, as any long leather coat would be). I can always copy the Dante-core, or the slasher-victorian-steampunk core...but to me that's boring (though, of course, reliable and well-tested).

To do this, my thinking is that because the jacket already has become an extension of my personality, the only thing to 'solve' is to determine what elements work and what don't, not based on what has come before or cultural norms, but based on the combination 'rules' (I have no better word for them) that designers seem to follow. That's why I was laying out my ideas throughout this thread as I went along, like in mathematics where the examiner asks you to 'show your work'. It allows people to critique the thinking, not the result, and allows me to learn where I went wrong.

As an example, I think my reasoning that is related to the elongated vertical neckline working with a long coat is sound. In modern times, we've seen it over and over again (the most recent iterations being 'Sherlock' with his no-tie unbottoned collar, or the 9th (I think) Doctor Who with his Submarine Leather coat and v-neck shirt/sweater). This shape combination seems to be a 'dead cert', because it elongates the head (in liew of a hat which people no longer wear), thus settling the proportions of the head vs. the coat better. This is something that I'm sure of, though I'm always open to hearing why I might be wrong and what can be better.

This shape idea works with the undershirt (low round neck), v-neck (large or small, still works), and (though I'm still experimenting with this) collared shirts that are no-tie and unbottoned. The collared shirts 'should' work...but now I think the collars have to be a little more flaring or extravagant to work with the collars of the jacket.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13484665]

cont.

So, in other words with the collar I believe I know two things: how it works, and why. This allows me to switch out from the Dante-core undershirt and do something different that is much more in line with my personality and needs (the v-neck).

The reason I'm asking you so many questions is because I'm trying to determine the other elemental 'rules' that go with this jacket, not only in colours (which I think I've figured out) but in shapes and textures (which is clearly where I need massive help).

I hope that makes sense...thanks for wading through all of it.

Obviously, if anyone has any ideas on this, they're welcome to contribute as well. I'm open to anything, as long as you can describe the reasons that underlie the combination. Once again, I understand the ease of just saying, 'well, this designer did this...just go with it'...and you'd be right. But I want to know 'why' something works and 'why' something else doesn't, because it'll help me to create my own, which is what I assume good fashion is, ultimately. Thanks to everyone.

[Anonymous No.13484697]

>>13484656
One minor addition:
The collar shape thing - this is also why a button-down shirt with a vest works with this jacket, especially if they're contrasting (white shirt, black vest).

[Anonymous No.13484927]

These would work well OP.

[Anonymous No.13484929]

Consider this for headwear complimenting the red accents.

[Anonymous No.13485504]

Another random discovery: The necklace is important if you're wearing a turtleneck or a shirt that doesn't have definition for a low neckline. It never occurred to me ever before, but having a necklace visually serves as the demarcation, the lowest termination point of the neck.

Fuck...and I thought people wore necklaces just because they liked them. I had no idea it could affect the perception of the neck and head so damn much. Then again, in women's fashion it's very important...but I never took it into account for men's.

[Anonymous No.13485528]

>>13484927
K E T C H U P
M U S T A R D

[Anonymous No.13486635]

>>13484927
Too small, I'm afraid...

>>13484929
Not battered enough..

[Anonymous No.13486679]

there will never be a thread greater than this.

well done OP either you're the greatest fucking troll on the planet or 11/10 on the syndrome meter

[Anonymous No.13486686]

>>13478767
since when reading insightful text about a creation of sorts is cringeworthy? enjoy eleventh grade next year, underage.
this is some solid work op, don't bother reading comments from obnoxious cunts

[Anonymous No.13486706]

>>13481839
i want it so bad

[Anonymous No.13486711]

>>13478798
hmm, you should try different pants, these don't work
and high-cut boots are a must
also, nero's jacket in 5 is much more wearable, it's basically a navy parka

[Anonymous No.13487303]

>>13486679
Oh, I'm sure someone will create one, probably not for a piece that is this out-of-the-ordinary, but still with the same question: what else goes with this. You have to realize that there are always two options for people when it comes to fashion: copy, or create. I'm trying to create, but I guess it's easier for me to think about it that way because I never played the game that the coat came from. It's not tied to that aesthetic or character for me at all, so I can come at it with a 'clean slate'. It's just a long coat, single-breasted knee-length, with red trappings and a hood. Believe me though...if this were a troll job, well....3 threads of my time and effort just to get a few reactions of the same old thing (which all boil down to 'OP is regretting dropping money on this costume piece') seems a little excessive. In other words, the joke would have been done after half a day.

>>13486686
Thanks Anon! The process has been very interesting to me. For the past decade and a half or so, I've slowly and gradually experimented with one or two pieces that are outside of my norm, just to keep me on my toes and 'honest' with myself. But now that I'm in better shape than I was, more options are open to me. I know that people don't like this coat...I get it. I personally love it though: my eyes like the colours, the drape, the functionality, and all of that. It's something that if I saw in a shop hanging up, I'd want to buy and wear, no matter what. It's always been like this for me though...if I see something that is reasonable that I can afford, and that suits my tastes, then I go for it. But I've been genuinely surprised at how limited the thought process can be for some people regarding something like this.

If you take a business suit, just a business suit, and you look around, you can get the feeling that there are a few things going on. cont.

[Anonymous No.13487319]

cont.
1) the general populace, how they wear a suit, and what they think is generally appropriate (let's say, a grey single-breasted suit, with a white collared shirt, with a tie and brown leather shoes and belt). Slim, but not tight fit. 100% of the population will not notice it, as it fits in predictably.

2) The 'astounding' fit suit: the person wearing it is in top shape, the suit fits them as if it were custom made, and this allows them to use patterns and fashion-forward-thinking ideas to push the boundaries. So, perhaps a grey-checked suit, with accoutrements to match. Let's say, 30% of the population will notice this primarily because of the fit first, but then they'll notice all the wonderful things about the upgraded choices of fabrics, textures, and accessories and then think to themselves, 'I should try dressing like that', all the while not taking into account the issues of fit and personal fitness that contribute to the possibility of going this route in the first place.

3) The fashion-forward designer suit. This is a big jump, but I see it all the time (surprisingly at weddings more than anywhere else). A one-off for the season, something that is perhaps only thought about on the runway, and is made up of combinations that immediately catch the eye but can only work well on a stick-figure model and work rather poorly when human curves get in the way of the lines. If you wore it on the street, everyone would notice it because it's so odd, and it may not have any lasting power past the season it debuted in because the meaning behind the combinations will have become cliche or irrelevant with time.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13487332]

cont.

I think these are reasonable breakdowns, at least in general, for the concept of the male suit. Option 1 is what we see in offices, Option 2 we see usually in higher-ups who can take more care of their body and nutrition and can also afford better tailoring or cuts, and Option 3 can happen anytime, and usually due to the event (i.e. wedding) the 'costume' gets a pass that it wouldn't get otherwise.

Now, the reason I'm typing all this out is because in my eyes, this coat falls under the 2nd category, the 'astounding fit' suit. But I know I'm definitely probably the only one who thinks this; most of the reactions here, even from serious Anons, would put this into the 3rd category (fashion-forward designer suit, but in this case, it wouldn't be seen as a good thing, it would be seen as a costume only). This disparity alone is interesting to me, of course, because I don't see it as a costume, and never have. It was ALWAYS a hooded leather long coat with a specific, unusual design first, and I realize it's not possible for people who know the game, even in passing, to simply wipe that association from their heads (the same way that anyone who knows Indiana Jones would not be able to wipe the association regarding his leather jacket+Fedora combination).

That's why there is a comment every once in a while about 'OP isn't listening'. Believe me, I am listening, it's just that my point of view regarding the jacket does not take into account any type of 'source material'. There are dangers in this of course, which have been noted and experimented with throughout this thread. cont.

[Anonymous No.13487362]

cont.
The serious Anon who posted a little while back was talking about how important it is to take into account the ideas of fashion designers; that its not an accident and these people have a lot of knowledge to back their combinations and aesthetic ideas. Again, I completely understand this, and that was never an issue in doubt to me. Obviously there are things that work, and do not work, and great designers not only learn the 'rules' but learn how to bend them, extend them, or break them on occasion (which usually serves to make a 'statement' of some kind). This approach is applicable to nearly all creative arts, so it should be familiar to people who are dancers, musicians, painters, poets, etc.

What fascinates me about all of this is that I have personally taken this jacket 'out of context', not only by choice, but by ignorance. I never played the game, I have no idea what Dante's personality is (or 'should' be, according to fans of the series), I don't know if the jacket has any significance in the game other than the fact that he's wearing it (i.e. does the garment have some super power or something, is it something he loses and has to get back in a mission...stuff like that). To me it's just a jacket, but to anyone who has played the game, it's far more than that.

I can make the assumption that Dante-core works with this jacket simply because game designers take a lot of time to perfect their designs, especially for a main character whom the customer plays. If it's a side character, I could understand more aesthetic risks, or things that don't 'really' work but will perhaps not be as noticeable, but for the character that is being played all the time, that's days of play where the character is being seen from every angle...it needs to be solid. So, it's safe to assume that Dante-core is well thought out.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13487381]

cont.

But here's 'the rub' to me. I liked this jacket long before I knew of the character, or the look, or anything like that. It was simply 'an option' that was on SR's website amongst their other designs. I've only ever seen it as a jacket, with nothing else. Granted, they have a pic on their website of the character, but it's stylized. The Dante-core is there, but it was not something I took seriously because quite frankly I could see so many other options working well, and since I don't dress grunge anyway, it wasn't an issue. In other words, the jacket was just a jacket, and the question would only be (in my thinking at the time) about what works well with the colour scheme (which was the original question of the very first thread).

Practical real-world experience has allowed me to see things I never thought I'd ever see people wearing. Both when I was in Tokyo for a while but also in the city I live in now. And the strangest thing to me, (Tokyo not withstanding), is that fashion here is forcefully being worn by people who are not in the best of shape physically and still no one complains about it, points at it and laughs, etc....none of that. Either the force of personality has overcome that (which I think is part of it), or the fashion world has become so fractured and so recomposited, especially in the younger generation, that it no longer matters if someone is following a core of any kind, as long as the combination is a direct extension of their personality...that the extension is what matters, not the adherence to a designer's direction and choice.

This is where my drive comes from. To understand the reasons why certain elements work, and certain elements do not, but then to use those rules (combined with my personality) to create looks that represent me, not a style that is necessarily already followed recognizably by groups.
cont.

[Anonymous No.13487397]

cont.
Dressing in Dante-core works for the jacket, but is immediately easily identifiable as grunge/late-punk (sorry for the terminology, I think you all know what I mean). Dressing with a pin-striped, slightly distressed suit with a vest is immediately easily identifiable as late-victorian potentially 'steampunk'. The point is that each of these options, while excellent for the jacket, simply fall into yet another category of everyone else, and all the associations that these groups create in the minds of others in society.

As I don't fall into either of these categories in terms of dress, it's important to me to learn specifically why these combinations work. I've been learning so far, and things have progressed (for instance the 'discovery' about necklaces I posted a little while back...or the hypothesis about the boot with tucked in trouser legs emulating the military look of a century ago). I don't know about other Anons here, but while I understand the value (and there is value) of following an established core by an established designer, there has to be a point where we go beyond imitation and tailor the ideas behind the design to our personal situation (body, personality, and society we live in). I'm trying to do that...but it's obviously very difficult.

Anyway, thanks to everyone, and I always appreciate ideas.

>>13486711
Interesting regarding the pants: what precisely about them 'doesn't work' in your eyes? Is it the colour? the fit? For what it's worth, the post you referred to included the very first pics I ever took, out of haste and enthusiasm, where I wore a simple t-shirt and my slim blue jeans I always wear around the house. Nothing special, and the pics were more to show off the jacket rather than any style that was to be associated with it. However I have worn it out with the slim blue jeans, and they work really well I think...but that's why I ask.
cont.

[Anonymous No.13487407]

>>13486711
cont.

The high-cut boots seem to be a consensus here. I think I understand the reasoning, but could you elaborate precisely 'why' they are a must, for your eyes and from your perspective? I'd be very interested to hear it.

Interesting what you say about the Nero jacket. To me it's problematic from the get-go; the left arm or right arm (don't know which, as I've seen photos with either) is gone below the elbow, which already puts this jacket into 'costume' or 'post-apocalypse' core. There are lots of other elements which make it seem entirely impractical, and that is a standard dealbreaker for me (every piece of clothing must be practical in my wardrobe). And (shock!) I find the design to be boring as hell.

So, there we are.

[Anonymous No.13487445]

Oh, one other thing I'd intended to mention but entirely forgot.

I did a brief search on Reddit just to see if there was in fact anything about this jacket. I came across one thread from a few years back, with a guy positing the question of if he should buy 'this' jacket (it was the same one as mine, by SR). The consensus was for him to grow up, get out of his mother's basement, dress like an adult for a change, etc.....so, not much use there. Thought you guys would like to know. In a world as unpredictable as this, it's sometimes good to know that some things never change.

[Anonymous No.13487447]

>>13487303
>>13487319
>>13487332
>>13487362
>>13487381
>>13487397
>>13487407
Holy shit this reminds me of that thread on /fit/ from ages ago where the guy was taking pictures of girls in the gym without permission and posting them with little stories, then he got kicked

[Anonymous No.13487455]

>>13480523
Not too bad anon
Can't say much for the buttplugs on the mirror

[Anonymous No.13487565]

>>13487407
Post recent fit. I want to see the silhouette drape.

[Anonymous No.13487628]

So, OP, what do YOU think is your personality? What items have you seen other than this jacket that are compatible with it?

Because the jacket definitely has (for lack of a better word) grunge/punk "dude with attitude" connotations, mainly due to the distressed leather -- in itself an interesting choice of material for a long coat -- along with the unconventional blood red color of the sleeve ends and especially the lapels. You've gone over the history of leather jackets, etc. earlier on. But the interesting thing about the jacket is that the fit and cut is typical of a more dressy item, e.g. the lapels themselves, and what you called the "bat wings" in the back that are directly lifted from classy 50s and 60s trench coats. And then there are the uniform vibes, partly due to the fact that overcoats originated in the military, but also the flag which almost could be replaced by an armband. WW2 laceless leather boots, calf-high or knee-high, come to my mind. There's many cultural connotations at play here and many directions you could take, depending on what boundaries you are comfortable crossing.

In my mind, I don't see a grunge/punk dude analytically and meticulously decomposing the matter like you've been doing in these innumerable paragraphs. So if we forget about what works WITH the jacket, what other elements of your personality could be extended by concrete items? What is your taste?

[Anonymous No.13487637]

>>13487628
>So, OP, what do YOU think is your personality? What items have you seen other than this jacket that are compatible with it?
("it" being your personality, not the jacket)

[Anonymous No.13487641]

>>13487628

>>13487381
Epic samefag.

[Anonymous No.13487658]

>>13487641
OP doesn't need my help to keep himself going, faget. Just wanna see what the kind of guy who'd buy a video game dracula jacket has in store. This shit is more interesting than 75% of the threads right now.

[Anonymous No.13487667]

easily the most fascinating and entertaining thread I've seen on this board. Idk how someone like OP even finds /fa/

[Anonymous No.13488144]

>>13487565
>>13487628
>>13487637
>>13487658
>>13487667
Thanks to everyone; I promise I'll address each issue (some of them require going into a lot of detail, but time is pressing at the moment. I wanted to show you guys some interesting (to me, anyway) things that I experimented with today. There's a lot to discuss, so I'll get this out of the way first, and then as time permits later I'll try to get to your thoughts/questions/suggestions.

First, I tried on a pair of lighter-grey trousers I have...they're not suit pants, but they're close enough in terms of cut and material and yet they have enough striping pattern in them to be slightly towards 'vampire' core. I came to an interesting conclusion: They will work IF and only if the top part of the body (shirt or tie or whatever) is more interesting to the eye than the pants. So, it could work if I wore a white shirt, but not a black shirt (when I tested it with my standard black v-neck, the trousers stuck out like a sore thumb). The conclusion I came to was that if the trousers draw the eye, then things look weird...so if you're going to wear trousers like these, then you have to compensate for it by wearing something even more eye-catching on top. I would guess vest, patterned tie, etc....busy, in other words.

[Anonymous No.13488165]

This made me almost fall over in disbelief. I had initially ruled out white or off-white trousers with this jacket, because in my head-rules of what I knew, the trouser colour should always be darker than the jacket that covers it. And that makes sense....if you're wearing a white suit (which traditionally only exist in summer/hot countries), it's unlikely that it's cold enough to warrant wearing a jacket over it, so that wouldn't even be an issue.

But just for fun I tried one of my pairs of off-white beige chino style trousers. They're not slim cut by any means...they're the type of 'comfy' pants that you'll see people where with a golf shirt. For the moment, forget the top part of the picture, and just look at the colour combination of from the waist down. It works to my eye, and I don't know why. My guess is that beige has red/green undertones (earth colours) which do not conflict with the grey of the coat and go with the dark red of the jacket interior. But this is just a guess...I have no fucking idea why it looks good to me. Maybe a military connection? (it's not as dark as military beige...but still...a hint of it?)

To go further, I tested a pair of white linen trousers underneath, for colour, not for anything else. Of course, it looked awful...so pure white as trousers is a no go, for sure. I can't think of any possibility where it would look good.

[Anonymous No.13488179]

I tested as well an issue of colour which has bothered me about this jacket, and the colour red in general. My instinct would tell me 'don't wear any red underneath the jacket because it has enough red...maybe red shoes, but definitely not a red shirt or red tie. But of course, I said, 'fuck instinct', let's just see what happens.

I have a normal red (like a swiss army knife red) shirt which I put with the jacket, just to see what would happen. You can see here what the result is.

On the one hand, I honestly can't say that I hate it....but there is something about it that seems to 'mute' the red of the rest of the jacket. Furthermore, the red on top actually brings out more of the blue of the jeans and the flag...so again, it seems to affect far more than just the jacket. Yet another thing about colour combinations that I never really thought about until now.

[Anonymous No.13488194]

Here's what I was talking about with the red shirt blotting out the red lapels...they (the lapels) don't really look red anymore, they look purple or 'burnt'. It's a strange as hell effect. If I were wearing a white shirt with this, the lapels are red. If I wear a red shirt, the lapels are not really red anymore...they're something else. Which makes me think of another problem in general with fashion which I have a great amount of difficulty with.

I've heard fashionistas talk about how certain elements or colours can overwhelm everything else. I never really understood it, but I think I'm starting to now. This shirt is either too bright, or too 'focused' in terms of its colour. Because of this, any shade of red around it gets wiped out towards the shade spectrum it's part of (so if it's dark red, it goes blacker, and if it's light red, it goes whiter).

I honestly don't know what to make of this. I don't know if this looks good or looks bad, and furthermore, I have no idea if this makes the jacket look less 'costume' and more practical, or what. My guess is that it does...because the red on the jacket is blotted out, and all you get is a grey jacket with a 'hint' of red. But that's just a guess...I'm curious what you guys think about it.

[Anonymous No.13488212]

Earlier I had mentioned how tough it was to get an idea of how much the jacket tapers to the waist. It's a gentle taper, but it's definitely noticeable in person. I tried to get a better shot....the silhouette is gently modern, where it doesn't seem to go too far or extreme but at the same time it doesn't even hint at the old 80's style everything is baggy or boxy. This ties into what Anon here >>13487628 was talking about, and which I'll address later today hopefully. This is also why this jacket has been such a conundrum for me in terms of finding an extension of my own style for it. Because of the combination of many different elements (gothic back, modern silhouette, 'wealthy' material of leather being used, yet distressed and antiqued to make it 'used'....), my mind says, 'well, it should go with anything!', but obviously this isn't the correct approach. Is it possible that a jacket with so many disparate elements put together actually has a more RESTRICTED combinatorial potential? That's the question I've been trying to solve (with your help, of course).

[Anonymous No.13488224]

I've been thinking hard about stripes, so I wanted to experiment with something rather neutral just to see. As I think we can all agree, grey/black works with this jacket, so I brought out a shirt of mine that is grey/black but has horizontal stripes. The idea being that it doesn't get in the way of the perception of the lapels (which vertical stripes would), but would serve to make the torso 'interesting' but not so interesting as to interfere.

This is the result. This particular combination (blue jeans, grey striped shirt with high neck) I think looks really good; I can't find a flaw except that maybe someone would find it too boring or something. The shirt has some texture to it, but not enough to be distracting, the stripes are evident but not distracting...etc. In other words, I think everything looks good, and I think I understand why it looks good.

The colours work, according to the rules. The shapes seem to work (especially with stripes that can artificially change the perception of the neckline), and the texture adds visual interest but is still within the boundaries of what goes with leather as a material (i.e. hardy, slightly refined, and 'warm' looking).

So, I think this is a kind of 'stage 1' of Norm-core for this kind of jacket.

I'll be back, maybe not for a while, but I'll definitely be back, and when I return I'll be able to properly respond to everyone. My thanks to you all as always for your ideas and critiques...I'm learning a hell of a lot, and I hope that the discussions are helpful to others too (not only about this jacket, but about combinations in general).

[Anonymous No.13488267]

I think OP may be having a nervous breakdown!? Well wouldn't you if you'd dropped EUR500 on that cancer horse blanket....ZINGA!

[Anonymous No.13488533]

Okay, so I have a bit of time, so I'll try to respond while I can.

>>13487565
All of the pics have been taken within the last week since I got the jacket last Thursday or so. The best silhouette drape is probably shown in >>13488212, or at least, it's the most true. The leather is thicker than fashion lamb, which is a few mm thinner; this leads to a slightly heavier jacket for this size (my Boss long coat is lighter), but it also leads to a truer drape from the density. Costume designers will use leather jackets lined with leather (so, two layers) in film because it tends to drape better and blow better with artificial wind. This jacket is almost the same, only SR did it by making the lamb thicker, not adding a second layer (though there is some interior leather, but only on the top half. This pic >>13488165 shows just how vertical the drop is...it's heavy enough that there is no bunching or any sideways distortion. Awesome jacket...simply awesome.

Regarding the fit of the jacket. SR constructs their jackets (all of them, not just this one) to be 'slim fit'. What this translates to is a fit like SuperDry jackets, which tend to have shoulders that are a little narrow in the general pattern. You can see where this leads: if the shoulders are naturally narrow on the pattern, then everything else will be narrower by proportion. This means that if you measure your jackets by your shoulders and chest, then the waist will be tight on the general population. Having a beer belly isn't possible with a jacket like this, nor any jackets in their stable. The second element to their fit involves the fact that they take their sizing from your true size, not your size above a t-shirt. I'm not sure how they calculate it, but their jackets go along with the idea of wearing only one thin layer of clothing above your skin, and then the jacket. You can't layer on sweaters and shit...it's just not possible.

[Anonymous No.13488567]

>>13487628
In terms of my clothing personality, that's a VERY tough question to answer. I can best describe it as being a combination of simplicity and function, all within the boundaries of what society I happen to be living in (when in Rome, as they say). However, only within the past few years have I been more focused on actual fit and expanding my colour palette, the reasoning being very simple: coincident with this expansion was the intention to be more thoughtful about my own level of personal health and fitness. When you lose fat and put on muscle in the right places, more things look better on you, until finally you reach an odd stage where off-the-rack things look excellent without any adjustment.

So, in a sense, to answer your question directly, I'm still experimenting with possibilities that were not open to me before. I don't have a 'core' necessarily, as weather and purpose tend to determine everything from beforehand. In the same way that suits are an 'easy' decision to make depending on the function (grey, blue or black), as an example 'sunny weather + meeting friends at a pub = Option 3'.

In the past I always favored jeans (dark colours though, no bright blue or green or anything risky) as a casual trouser, and on top pretty much anything that went with the climate. Then, as my body got into better shape, I started to wear leather jackets. My stable right now is 7 strong, not including the long coats for the suits, and they represent pretty much ever iteration of the basic leather jacket aside from the double-rider, which I've talked about in a previous thread. With leather jackets I had to be much more careful about what I wore with them, and that's what has led me to expand my colour palette, as the jackets are quite varied in terms of everything (material, finish, colours, design lines, etc.). cont.

[king Don No.13488586]

>>13488567
Post some pics of the other jackets. Thanks for your lovely posts donte.

[Anonymous No.13488649]

>>13487628
>>13488567

cont.

With leather jackets, I ended up altering my style to suit the jacket, which may be a 'no-no', but I honestly didn't care. I valued the 'look' of the jacket more than my own flexible fashion of what I wear with it, so it was 'jacket first', everything after. Dark blue jeans always work with a leather jacket, so that wasn't a problem. It was the rest that I had to slightly adapt to (a black shirt always works, white shirts work fine on certain jackets, collared shirts work for only two of the jackets, etc.). Beyond this though, when I'm not wearing a leather jacket (which is a statistical rarity), anything goes, and I don't really care as long as it fits well and compliments my figure and skin tone.

One limiting factor is my figure and frame: I'll never be model-skinny, nor would it be beneficial for me to be that way for my job. What I'm trying to maintain here is a slightly above average muscular frame, mixed with just enough fat to be 'famine' resistant. So, average in shape guy.

But this is in itself a limiting factor. A great majority of clothing and fashion looks great on people who are model thin...but that's just not a reality for me. I'm not 80's chunky, but I could never pull off most british fashion, as an example. This also means that things like grunge don't really look good on me, because I'm not 'heroin-chic' enough.

In combination with >>13488586, here's one of my other jackets...it's one of the oldest I have, but it was custom made for me from a startup company that sadly no longer exists. I posted it before on the other ledder jackettes general, but that thread is now kaputt. This is just an example though...my proper riding jackets are not necessarily 'generic', but they're definitely not haute couture. I've gotten very comfortable with the slim-fit black t shirt, jeans, and jacket. It's so damned easy, and doesn't require effort. This new jacket however requires far more effort..

[Anonymous No.13488671]

>>13487628
>>13488649

cont., so in short, I don't really have 'a style', and I'm capable of shifting into styles depending on what works well for the body type (so anything aside from styles that require extreme body thinness to make sense).

Now, to your excellent breakdown on the jacket. I agree with everything. In particular:
>But the interesting thing about the jacket is that the fit and cut is typical of a more dressy item, e.g. the lapels themselves, and what you called the "bat wings" in the back that are directly lifted from classy 50s and 60s trench coats.

Early on (before I got the jacket in hand) I thought that the shoulder 'bat' piece was vented, like the true trench coats from that earlier time period. But they're not at all...they're just an extra panel of leather that fulfills the design from the game. I will admit, I was a little saddened by that...

The 'military' connotation is definitely a strong one to my eye too, and that's why I think things like the tucked in pant legs into large boots or high-top chunky shoes makes so much sense, even though it's very much outside of my current general wear (I NEVER tuck in pant legs...I think it looks stupid, and it's appeared as a trend that EVERYONE who is 'fashion-conscious' in my city is copying now). But, no matter how much I hate the look, it make sense with the historical aesthetic this jacket gives off. So, I have to consider it seriously.

>There's many cultural connotations at play here and many directions you could take, depending on what boundaries you are comfortable crossing.

This is what I've been struggling with. The more I look into this jacket, and the more I think about it, the more options and directions I think I could go. The problem is determining what suits my lifestyle best, and what is the most practical (which is what I truly care about the most).

cont.

[Anonymous No.13488682]

>>13488649
fuck op actually looks good

[Anonymous No.13488699]

>>13487628
>>13488671
cont.
>In my mind, I don't see a grunge/punk dude analytically and meticulously decomposing the matter like you've been doing in these innumerable paragraphs. So if we forget about what works WITH the jacket, what other elements of your personality could be extended by concrete items? What is your taste?

I'm not grunge/punk, and have never found the aesthetic at all desirable to emulate. Nor do I have a body type that seems to be consistent with that. I've always dressed somewhat more formal than people around me, and it's only recently that I'm trying different things. If I were to take a guess, at the risk of the usual ribbing, I'd say my personality is one of trying to make people around me feel better through humour or hard talk, being the loudest to laugh, the first to introduce myself, and all in all the guy who tries to always find the good in things (given how much sadness, despair, and abject poverty I've seen and encountered in the world).

I love learning to understand things, particularly why things work (not only mechanisms, but also behavior-related), and I love debating with people in my field of expertise. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that nearly all my personality traits seem to lead to the same conclusion: I'm basically a friendly 'academic' of sorts, who can dress however he wants because of his field, and because his body is just a shell, his clothing just a costume, and what matters has always been the meaning within his words. I should be in a tweed suit with elbow pads, but those rules no longer apply because history has gone beyond that.

So, I can go almost any route, but what I gravitate towards is the something that isn't a core of any kind...just clothes that 'work' with the jacket without being a part of any trend. I hate belonging to a visual 'group', because it's like trying to be original and ending up predictable and uninteresting. Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.13488717]

>>13488699
cont.
One last thing: that's why for the most part my dress with a leather jacket has always been 'non-descript. It's not just because it works with any leather jacket (black t and jeans) but it's because it's not readily identifiable as 'X-core'. I'm just the guy who always wears a leather jacket...not the 'punk', the 'rocker', the wannabe pilot, etc.

I very much appreciate your post...man, this is the kind of serious conversation I'd always hoped that we could get to in this thread. Thank you.

>>13488682
Thanks. This was a first experiment, but they got my measurements dead-on. The design was based on a jacket made by Dunhill, but as the original was no longer made (and is exceedingly rare in my size), I had to make do with a replication. But you can see what I've been talking about earlier. Black t shirt, blue jeans...it's so damned easy. The jacket is dark brown, with a dark red interior (the leather is actually two-sided, so there is no lining...the red is the opposite 'suede' side of the single panel of leather).

All my jackets save two fit like this: the two I bought from Wested. Their sizing is really off the mark, but they're made for their majority clientele (average-to-overweight British people).

I have to admit though, it gives me a bit of a chuckle that your post belies a kind of surprise or shock...lol Thanks though. I know it looks good, and that's why I wear it.

One thing that is important to note about this jacket. Like the DMC long coat, this short jacket was a design that I liked from the get-go, without having any associations of character or anything else. I like the colours, the contrast stitching, all of it. So I bought it. It wasn't too hard to find stuff that went with it, and stuff that didn't. But it's not a complex jacket; it's essentially a modified single rider jacket, a very common design from the 50's and which you can see extended into vintage looks.

[Anonymous No.13488771]

>>13487658
> Just wanna see what the kind of guy who'd buy a video game dracula jacket has in store. This shit is more interesting than 75% of the threads right now.
>...kind of guy who'd buy a video game dracula jacket...
>video game dracula jacket

Thanks man...that made me smile.

>>13487667
Thanks man...it's been a hell of a ride for me too.
> Idk how someone like OP even finds /fa/
Well, they say that once you're here, you're here forever...But like everything in life, this started as an experiment. I may have mentioned above that unlike Reddit, I find that people here on nearly every board are far more honest than they are elsewhere. On reddit, consensus and group opinion matter more than truth, whereas here it's almost the opposite (especially when group consensus is attacked even though the event may simply be cohencidence).

So, I thought, 'what the hell.' I didn't have any ideas for this jacket other than slight extensions of what I already wear with my leather jackets. but I was sure that this one in particular would require a little more tweaking. What I didn't expect was just how broad a range is possible, and now I'm starting to see elements of the jacket that a week ago I wouldn't have noticed. That's thanks to Anons here who have suggested ideas, some of which I would never have considered, but now have started to think about seriously. A radical learning curve of sorts.

But I'm convinced this could never have happened on Reddit. As I mentioned somewhere above, I had done a search about this jacket there earlier today, only to find that the only person who talked about this particular version of the jacket by SR was turned down with the usual 'don't wear it' comment. That's useless to me, for all the aforementioned reasons.

Remember...I'm not crazy...everyone else around me is though.

[Anonymous No.13488800]

this thread is a CIA psyop MKULTRA style manchurian candidate trigger word: faggot

[Anonymous No.13488870]

[Anonymous No.13488896]

[Anonymous No.13488920]

>>13481679
>>13482581
>>13487455


<3 <3 <3

[Anonymous No.13489115]

Is this really Dante?

[Anonymous No.13489126]

>>13489115
Which post?

[Anonymous No.13489240]

>>13478510
What the fuck OP

[Anonymous No.13489855]

>>13478510
if i saw you in public with this hot topic tier piece of trash on, i'd laugh at you with my friends behind your bak

[Anonymous No.13490069]

It's time for some non-/fa/-related hard truths, OP. Your posts strike people as "too long" because you write poorly. polite sage for offtopic

You're too long-winded. Compare this:
>>13478773
>There's a lot of information to impart, dear Anon. As tempting as it is to condense it, there is the obvious problem of losing the details in the process. Furthermore, the more information an Anon has before purchase, the better of they will be, wouldn't you say?
to
>There's a lot of information here. I want to help out anybody who might be thinking about buying this coat.
"As tempting as it is" is bullshit. Cut it. "There is the obvious problem..." No shit, you disagree. Cut it. "Furthermore" is excessive. There are no "details" in anything I cut. Your unnecessary use of long words, introductory phrases, and appositives makes your writing a chore to read, and it sounds "like an essay" when you're actually just rambling. Use your vocabulary sparingly. You need to cut the chaff, or nobody will take you seriously. I anticipate that you might complain about writing style, but if you can't adapt your style to a context, you're not a stylish writer, just a bad one.

[Anonymous No.13490287]

but why are you wearing a halloween costume in July?

[Anonymous No.13490389]

>>13490069
Acknowledged. Disagree. Satisfied?

>>13489855
Can't see you. Hood up.

>>13490287
Caribana.

[Anonymous No.13490545]

>>13487397
raw dark blue jeans never work in general
jacket is a big presence, and other parts need to level with it visually - texture, detail, particularity of a piece
so far you're unable to complete even a single look with it

[Anonymous No.13490615]

>>13490545
Thank you, that's very interesting indeed. Am I interpreting your thoughts correctly to mean that, as an example with the blue jeans, they don't have enough textural and colour variety, that they are too 'boring' for the jacket? That in this way, the intention would be to make the jacket less of a presence by incorporating MORE presence into all the things that go with it (i.e. distressing in the jeans would increase the presence, or even forego jeans entirely and go for a trouser that has much more of a pattern to it?)

The same question applies to the upper body too...are you suggesting that I go with, say, a shirt that has a lot of texture or pattern to it, or even a neckline shape that is unusual or odd?

Furthermore, does this in any way relate to the odd occurrence that happened yesterday, where I discovered that normal red would blacken out the red on the collars and cuffs, essentially making the red of the jacket seem less visually significant?

In short: increase the complexity of the stuff worn with the jacket to decrease the perceived complexity of the jacket? Or is it just about getting the rest of the stuff UP TO the level of the jacket, trying to match the complexity of it rather than diffuse it?
Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous No.13490761]

[Anonymous No.13490950]

I can't believe this happened.

God Bless 4Chan.

[Anonymous No.13490951]

>>13490615
>>13490545
Sorry, further to this. Do you think the trousers would be better if they went in the direction of a kind of military core (not camouflage, just black military kind but without tonnes of pockets)? More hard-edged?

I was hoping not to go this route, but it would make sense, especially if it's taking the military vibe of the coat and expanding on that. The high boots would fit into this as well...is that the kind of direction you're thinking of?

[Anonymous No.13491098]

Literal cosplay-tier, hideously overwrought jacket and this nigga thinks he’s dealing with black blazer levels of versatility. You bought a piece of fancy dress gothic, that’s why you’re having pairing difficulty you doubt-addled fuck.

[Anonymous No.13491172]

ohhh nooooooooo

[Anonymous No.13491229]

>>13491098
I appreciate the thought underneath all the colourful metaphors.

This is definitely a realistic concern that has developed which I had not at all envisioned when I got it. For me in the past, clothing was always versatile within reason, usually with function being the key determining factor for me. A shirt is a shirt, and as long as the colours don't look awful with the trousers, then it should be fine. Everything was rather interchangable, and I really didn't think about it. As time went by, the first thing I tried to fix as fit...and I think I've got that down. But now there's another stage (actual combinations and the rules therein) which I'm only starting to discover and explore.

The more time I spend talking with you all, and really thinking about why certain things go together and why other things don't, it is looking like this jacket is unfortunately quite limited to two basic aesthetics: vampire/gothic or grunge. I'm still hoping that I'll find a way to expand the possibilities, of course....but for now this seems to be the case.

In any event, no one in the real world has noticed the fashion discrepancy at all, so that's comforting (though it's probably a testament to how little the people here and the ones I interact with really care about serious clothing aesthetics). It's not to say that I won't still try to improve things...but thankfully I haven't gone too far the other way to the point where it really is laughable in person.

What seems to save it is the fit. Because it fits me well, and is quite consistent with my personality, it seems to get more of a 'pass' than if I were too fat for it or something like that.

Anyway, thanks as always for the thoughts, and I'm going to continue experimenting with ideas.

As a minor update, I tried those lighter grey trousers again from >>13488144 and the pattern and colour actually work REALLY well if I choose the shirt properly. Vampire it is...

[Anonymous No.13491329]

I'd like your opinion on something guys, particularly the Anons who have suggested and supported the idea of gothic/vampyre core.

So far in my research, it seems that one of the underlying universal features of this basic style involves lots of layers. A kind of extravagance of material (which supports the idea of Vampires spending their time acquiring wealth, but also gothic in the sense of late victorian layer on layer). If this is true, then I may have come to an impasse with applying this style to this jacket.

The jacket, as I mentioned before, is really built for one layer underneath. Even if I just do a collared shirt and vest (which in my mind works fine as a starting vampire/Victorian style), it's almost too much.

The obvious answer is one I'm sure you'll all shout at me right now: 'you idiot, it's a Dante costume'. And you're right, of course...he only wore an undershirt underneath.

That being said and established, can anyone think of any possible alternative (and if you could provide a pic that would be awesome too) of a top that is vampire/Victorian enough that you think would work with this jacket, so that I could keep it to one layer underneath instead of two?

My gut tells me that it's possible...it's just about finding 'the right thing'. The problem, as many of you have rightly pointed out, is my complete lack of experience in this aesthetic. Thanks in advance.

For the disgruntled Anon who doesn't want to read walls of text:

tl:dr One layer Victorian/vampire collared tops that go well with this jacket. Pics needed and appreciated. Go.

[Anonymous No.13491406]

One other thing that came to mind. If you have a chance, could you consider a small thought experiment.

In War of the Worlds (the Spielberg version), Tom Cruise's character wears a modified motorcycle leather jacket throughout the film from the time of the attack to the very end. As was described by the costume designer, the character loses layers of clothing throughout the film but the jacket stays the same (for symbolism). Anyway, the point is that he undergoes slight changes to the costume, but the jacket stays the same on top the whole time.

The same thing incidentally happens in Minority Report (again, same director and actor). His JAL jacket stays the same throughout, but his costume changes at least 3 times underneath it (the most extreme is when he's no longer wearing black or dark blue and is wears instead tan/grey pants). In all cases, the jacket looks fine, though I don't particularly like the last combination (and perhaps that's the point).

So, I'd like you to consider something, and if you could, let me know your thoughts. If Dante were to change his costume, like in a movie, but if the jacket were to stay the same (as an 'iconic' piece of his look), what do you think he'd wear that was different to the undershirt/distressed black jeans? I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.

Once again, for the impatient Anon:

tl:dr If Dante changed his costume but kept the jacket, like a movie character, what would he wear under the jacket that was different?

All ideas are welcome, and thanks for your time.

[Anonymous No.13492065]

>>13491406
> Thought experiment

OP have you considered seeking government funding for the unraveling of this most pressing matter of our age? Think of the benefit to countless future generations if the answer to the eternal question “ What will make me look like less of a gauche freak with a garish costume flea blanket”, were answered?

[Anonymous No.13492069]

um sweetie?

*snap*

[Anonymous No.13492077]

>>13488179
>ecko unltd
Jesus I’m dying

[Anonymous No.13492377]

>>13492077
I know...I haven't seen that company for a while now (do they still exist?). I'm still amazed at how easily the normal red blacked out the red on the lapels....I would never have predicted that.

>>13492065
I think 2015/16 proved without a doubt that you guys en masse combine more enthusiasm and intellectual power than any government in the world, and furthermore, the gains here help everyone who cares about the subject. I know it's easy to fall into the thinking of, 'it's a costume, so wear it like a costume', bu there's far more to it than that.

Everyone who cares about fashion goes through a development phase when they start to slowly shift from a generic style that the society around them supports (including 'rebellious' styles) into something more personal that is still within the range of visual understanding but also a clear extension of their personality. When we're young and experimenting, we might get the 'uniform' first of the aesthetic, and then blend in, where as when we're older, we do the opposite (our personality is rather well defined, and we tolerate shifts in that much more poorly).

This isn't about answering a question about a single jacket on a single person. It's about expanding the understanding of a shift process for anyone who wishes to read about it. If we were discussing a garment that was rather conventional, but had an unusual pattern, for instance, then the answers would have been there long ago. But instead, I have this:

1) Jacket, long, knee-length. Would be fine, EXCEPT it's made of leather. Already unusual, and tied to schooters and other misfits of society. Historically tied to military, most notably, Nazis or German U-boat.
2) Grey leather. Normally should be black if it's a leather long coat, so again, unusual.
3) Red interior. Not a problem. Red lapels? Unusual, and can be a problem.
4) Slim fit with slight taper. So, a cut that is more modern than vintage. So, 1 layer under.
cont.

[Anonymous No.13492403]

>>13492377
cont.
4+) Also, because of the more modern fit, you've lost the capacity to do something 'ironic' I think compared with using an older pattern or actual vintage coat. The pic from this excellent post >>13483312 cannot be done with my jacket, because it's not sized to house a suit/uniform underneath. Because my jacket looks tailored to my frame, it doesn't look historically connected in terms of fit. It's like a modified homage or something.
5) Hood. Part of the reason I bought it, for purely practical reasons. Tied to dystopia/blade-runner depressive core where everything is rainy and sad. Atmospheric, but again, the associations are there (hole-up....I never thought about going this route....I might have to do another wall of text about that).
6) If it were just the hood, then things might be manageable, but the back shoulder-piece which hearkens to the old 50's trench-coat vents is shaped, for lack of a better word, like a batwing. This visually looks gothic, no matter how I slice it, throwing the back of the jacket into the vampire/victorian/steampunk core. The red colour of the interior and cuffs contributes to this as well, especially because it's dark red/blood red.

This is a VERY unusual piece for lots of reasons, and I am beginning to understand why so many people hate it (even though I still love it). Intellectually I can see the inappropriate combinations, and the lack of connection with modern life that you guys might lead or the society in which you live. I get it, I really do.

But it's just not something I experience at all. I've worn the jacket out twice, tonight will be the third night. I haven't had any problems related o the jacket, socially or otherwise, and I don't expect to (given that I'm trying to make better choices about what to wear with it). This has been made possible by Anons here who have given me good advice. In particular, I'm going to try some boots tonight with the black jeans....tucked in (GASP!)
cont.

[Anonymous No.13492412]

>>13478510
Stop trying to make this happen.

[Anonymous No.13492417]

>>13492403
cont.
But basically in terms of real-life, this jacket has performed beyond expectation. The buttons are serious and secure (and don't blow out in the wind), I've been kept really dry (the jacket is surprisingly well made), and all in all, as a practical piece of hardware the jacket is easily in the top range of the pieces I have owned in leather.

So, the practical aspect and the actual fit on my frame is not something I worry about at all. The fashion combination however is where everything becomes a mystery because either there are many directions I could go or there is only one. I could be lazy and just say what has happened: that no one notices any problems with the combinations I've worn so far. That's the real-world experience. But it's obvious that things can be better, hence this thread.

>>13492412
NEVAAH!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.13492423]

Now, as a separate but still important question. Are there any rules about mixing organic materials with inorganic? In other words, wearing leather but also wearing polyester instead of obviously cotton or something like that?

It's tempting to think of wearing something like a dry-fit layer underneath this jacket, but I think the weave and light diffusion would look really odd. In other words, my instinct tells me that this jacket needs normal materials and not 'futuristic' ones. But at the same time, due to the fit of the jacket, the materials can't be too rustic either (like, a scarf that is hand-knitted or something where the weave is huge). It has to be somewhere in the middle, right?

As always thanks in advance for your insight.

[Anonymous No.13492424]

This is awesome OP.
You're autistic, but it's endearing.

Don't let the haters hate.

[Anonymous No.13492425]

>>13492417
It seriously feels as if you want to convince yourself by convincing others. Just wear it if you like it, don't create thread after thread about how great it is. Nobody cares. Nobody asked for it. Nobody really wants to know.

[Anonymous No.13492435]

>>13479958
The goofy red cuffs and lapels really ruin it. They push it into faggot territory to the point where I would be somewhat embarrassed to socialize with you.

[Anonymous No.13492445]

>>13492424
It's okay. We all learn at some point...the question is if we think it's important to even ask for advice or if we're deluded enough to say, 'I know what I'm doing, and you're all wrong'. Currently, this jacket works for my environment (weather-wise and socially), there's nothing that's going to change that. But I want to see what else is possible to make it better. It's really that simple, and I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. You have no idea how valuable posts like >>13491098 are. Though they may be full of venom (ironic or serious), they also include very important points like this:
>this nigga thinks he’s dealing with black blazer levels of versatility
That's HUGE to me, and really nailed the problem I'm dealing with. For a long time I saw clothes only as combinations that society had agreed upon: we wear this with that because it's a black tie function, we wear this with that because Marlon Brando did in The Wild One, etc. Haute couture is still a complete mystery to me; one of the Anons earlier had pointed me towards some designers and their collections in the past few years that might be along the aesthetic lines of this jacket...and in all honesty, most of it I found to be beyond any understanding, real-world function, or beauty. To be clear, it was 'interesting' visually and intellectually, to see what combinations where being put together, where things worked well gently developed into each other and where things were forced into opposition, to make a point. But in terms of any emotional aspect of 'I'd like to wear that' or something like this....nope. Nothing there. Maybe one day, I'll understand it better...but for now it seems like it exists just to push boundaries, not to establish new ones. Anyway, thanks for your encouragement Anon.

[Anonymous No.13492456]

>>13492425
So far, this is the 3rd thread, and probably the last given how slowly it moves. The first was because I just wanted ideas of what colours go with the jacket, the second happened last week when I got the jacket and wanted to detail a few things about it (but that thread got deleted and was not put into the archive, for some reason probably tied to the title), and this is the latest. I know it may seem excessive, but as you will have noticed, I don't post about this anywhere else. There was a "Ledder Jackettes" thread a few days ago that went Kaputt, and I tried to not talk about it there even though one or two supportive Anons were asking about it, but other than that, everything about this jacket and my challenges with it stay here. I don't like turning people away, but if you find the subject matter personally offensive, it might be an idea to simply not read this thread at all.

Regarding 'convincing yourself by convincing others'. I think I've covered this ground before, but I'll reiterate in short. If I needed to convince others, I wouldn't be here. I do wear the jacket, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I'm here so I can get more ideas of how to better integrate my own ideas with the jacket (which I've learned over the past week has its own very strong aesthetic projections).

>Nobody cares.
There are some who do, who've been kind enough to post. Even hard criticisms show that they care to some extent, so I think you're incorrect on this.
>Nobody asked for it.
Absolutely true. But a gift is best given when unlooked for, and a person only becomes a hero when responsibility is THRUST upon them....
>Nobody really wants to know.
Once again, there are Anons who have communicated otherwise, so as a blanket statement, you are again incorrect. YOU may not want to know...and that's okay. As I said before, it might be best if you simply ignore this thread. But you're always welcome to come back.

[Anonymous No.13492462]

>>13492435
That's fair, but again if you see the colour comparisons, the red is actually very dark. The pics are taken right now in a bathroom with wall mirrors and lots of lighting. So, bright. Like, a summer's day bright. I wear this jacket out at night, to places that are not well lit at all, and usually only if it's going to rain. Even if it were just normal lighting I wouldn't have a problem with the jacket at all, but in dark situations like this, it's almost unnoticeable.

> I would be somewhat embarrassed to socialize with you...

Checkmate Anon...as I type, I'm wearing the jacket right now.

[Anonymous No.13492480]

>>13478660
Not chucks or sneakerboots. Wear a proper black leather boot, combat or otherwise

[Anonymous No.13492715]

Before I go out, I just thought of something to try. I was trying on the jacket with one of my underarmor shirts, as they're the closest-fitting shirts I own, and though they're technically for athletics, they fit me well and have no waste of any kind. Then, I put it with one of my patterned trousers (they're not jeans, they're polyester I think) that are cut like really form-hugging jeans. Instead of leaving the shirt untucked, I tucked it in and added a small belt buckle (though I did try a larger one, and I thought it looked a little too much for what I was going for). The idea was to start with something simple, and slowly try more complex things as I go along.

The whole thing looked great to me, but then I realised what I was doing. This is basically a simple modified Luke from ROTJ, only with nods towards Dark Forces or other expansion areas of Star Wars. Then I realized that so many 'characters' wear hooded jackets in there too, so perhaps there is the possibility of looking into that direction. I don't mean explicitly dressing up as a Star Wars character, but I mean just looking closely at the combinations of colours, textures, and shapes being used for long hooded coats.

This slightly relates to my thought about 'Blade-runner/dystopia/depressive core, as well as the question I posed later on about whether or not mixing synthetics (in this case, the underarmor shirt) with organics (leather jacket).

I'm curious as to what you guys think. My eyes like it, of course...black to me always looks good no matter what. But the addition of the belt separates the body simply, and also falls in line with so many 'superhero' looks that happen to use long coats.

[Anonymous No.13492722]

Perhaps it's closer to what Anon here >>13487628
was asking me. If it were really up to me, I'd keep things as simple as possible and let the coat just be itself. To me, this kind of combination is ideal...but it's clear that there are very real objections to this idea.

Anyway, it surprised me in a good way.

[Anonymous No.13492730]

I have two pics for all the Anons who've had concerns about the 'brightness' of the red. Here's a shot taken in normal, though low lighting, without the overheads.

Obviously, the shape is what we see the most beyond anything else. cont.

[Anonymous No.13492734]

With a little more light, we get the hint of a different colour palette on the lapels and cuffs, but it's still towards the dark shade entirely. Actually, this pic is far more accurate in terms of what one normally sees.

There are shitty replicas of course that have very bright colours, but the real-world reality just isn't like that. It's like if you any of you have ever sat in a make-up chair, with all the bright lights about a foot from your face. You see everything in a kind of 'hyper' reality...but then you walk over to the snack table and it all melts away into normality.

As always, thanks for your ideas and thoughts...I'm curious how offended you guys might be by the 'Jedi-core' idea.

[Anonymous No.13492893]

[Anonymous No.13492898]

>>13492445
Keep posting combos buddy.

[Anonymous No.13492903]

>>13492898
Last before I go; these are more clear shots regarding 'Jedi-core' tests. In short, I really like these combos...but again, for all the reasons I mentioned above. It's familiar, it's comfortable, and it's practical. But the familiarity issue is what influences my eye the most, I think, and which I should be rightfully suspicious of.

[Anonymous No.13492910]

One other thing: these shots were taken with natural light only, no overheads or fluorescent or anything. I'm not sure what else I can do to show you guys the reality of the red and how non-extreme it actually is. It's not subtle, but it's definitely not screaming the way that people might think.

>>13492898
Thanks, I definitely will as things develop. What do you think of the latest idea? Better? Worse? Same? And if so, why?

Thanks everyone!

[Anonymous No.13492972]

Now OP, when you figure this out in a month's time, I want you to make sure to post your ascended fit pics here so we can bask in their gothic glory

[Anonymous No.13493118]

Is anyone actually reading his posts? I started to in his first thread, but gave up really quickly.

Does anyone actually think this coat looks good?

Why is he using a camera with lower resolution than most cell phones?

Does anyone else think it's strange to pair a $500 coat with Target tier clothing? It really ups the autism level.

How can one prevent themselves from reaching OP's total lack of self awareness?

I have so many questions.

[Anonymous No.13493439]

>>13492903
Yep, Jedi fuckin works breh!

[Anonymous No.13493444]

>>13492910
A tee with a lighter shade of gray would be interesting....

[Anonymous No.13494040]

>>13492462
You're missing the point, in your attempt to self justify. Not only do the red parts make it look tacky and "costumey", but now you're committed to having to color match against that awkward shade, not to mention the god-awful "weathering."

[Anonymous No.13494045]

>>13492910
Quit being a little bitch and just wear it with a dark gray t-shirt and faded BDUs.

[Anonymous No.13494164]

>>13492972
I have no idea how long it'll take. Sometimes I think there's progress, and then I get some more advice and it seems like I've only taken two steps backward. It's hard because I'm really fighting my instincts in order to try something I've never thought about seriously. Also, I've almost never photographed myself this much before, so it's a totally different kind of scrutiny (i.e. it's one thing to see a combination in the mirror, but it's another to see it on film...the experience is quite different). Thanks for your interest Anon...right now the Jedi-core thing may be the direction I follow first, as it's closest to what I normally wear when I'm out anyway.

>>13493118
I'll try to take your lines one at a time.

Clearly some people are interested, but I do understand that it's a slog if you're not interested in the subject matter. One of the reasons for my long posts is to alleviate the need to ask questions about things which I could easily preemptively answer in the long post, as related to the main issue within: if I'm as comprehensive as I can be, then any Anon who gives me a suggestion or idea will at least have the most information they can have in order to develop their response. It's like dressing for the weather: it's nice to have a daily report, but it's far better to have an hourly projection using the satellite and radar.

I think the coat looks good, and in all honesty, that's all that matters to me. I never started any of my threads to ask if anyone likes the coat...they were about ideas of what to put with the coat. The coat being awesome is just a given...lol

Most of the camera shots are taken in a mirror that isn't quite clean...hence the slight distortion. You'll find a few shots that are much cleaner where I'm not holding the camera. I'm sorry, but it's the best I can do.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13494187]

>>13493118
>>13494164
cont.
Target tier clothing? Dear me...you need to wear more leather jackets Anon. Most leather jackets are far more expensive than what you'd wear with it. I think I mentioned it in a previous post, but you have to understand that normal leather jackets from reputable companies START around $500 and go up from there. The majority of the cost is in sourcing the skin of the animal, not the design or anything else. When it's from a name brand, the price skyrockets. $500 is cheap-to-middle range for a leather jacket, but it's definitely inexpensive for a long coat (which normally start around 800 or so, especially ones in lambskin). Normal cafe-racer style jackets will be paired with jeans (normally less than $150) and a shirt (normally less than $80)....and if you really shop well, you can cut this easily in half. I think you've misunderstood the categories in which this jacket falls...it's not haute couture, it's not designer....and as such, the thought process that a '500$' jacket automatically requires pieces of the same value alongside with it is somewhat ludicrous, not only because of what it is, but in the tradition of leather jackets in general. A $500 t-shirt is far different from a $500 lambskin long coat with lamb lining....

The last question cannot really be answered, but I have a feeling it was asked in exasperation more than anything else. You're welcome to ask, but in all honesty I'm not sure what it would accomplish. If you were to read my posts...all of them, then you'd have a better idea of what has been happening for the past week. So, maybe that is what could answer all of your questions entirely, and is perhaps the main flaw in your approach.

>>13493439
You think so? Honestly? I really like it, and I think it works well. But if you do, then at least that is progress of a kind. The combination, as I mentioned above, was an accident...but it turned out to be really nice to my eyes. Thanks Anon.

[Anonymous No.13494194]

>>13492903
Looks terrible. Saturation is all off.

[Anonymous No.13494204]

>>13493444
Yes, I think you're right about this. I managed to establish that grey would always work with this jacket, no matter what. But, now I have a question for you.

Do you think it would be better for the grey of the t-shirt to be LIGHTER than the grey of the leather, or DARKER? Here's what I'm thinking.

The purpose of having a grey t-shirt over the black pants would be to provide a contrast, and also make the torso look bigger. The contrast under the jacket increases the illusion of the neck being elongated and thus head larger. So far, so good. But, do I go for a lighter grey towards white, so that the contrast is more significant against the grey of the jacket....or am I looking to simply try a grey that ONLY serves as a contrast to the black pants, but not a contrast to the jacket? I'm curious as to your thoughts on this (or any other Anon who has some ideas).

>>13494040
Bear in mind, the post I was replying to (>>13492435) was, for lack of a better word, unhelpful and uninformative. So, I responded by trying to point out why that Anon might have needed to reassess their perception.

I'm not sure how many more times I should say this, so perhaps this will be the last time. I'm absolutely committed to keeping this jacket and wearing it as much as I can. In the past week since getting it I've worn it out 3 times, including tonight. That's actually a lot, considering that this week has been a freak-week of sorts in terms of going out. The point is, there is nothing that is going to change that. Accept it. I will continue to wear this jacket, so any complaints about how much an Anon hates the jacket is irrelevant to me. What I only ask for is possibilities that my eyes cannot see or that my imagination cannot come up with that go with this jacket. That's the point. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be.

>>13494045
I understand the aesthetic behind it (BDU), but I'd rather not push the modern military core just yet. So, we'll see.

[Anonymous No.13494206]

>>13494194
Fair enough, but I need some help in understanding what you mean. "Saturation is all off". Saturation of what? Colours? Lack thereof? I have no idea, and fashion shorthand is useless with me because of my aforementioned lack of experience. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.13494236]

I think I should expand on a few points...sorry, I have a drink in me, and I'm tired, so my thoughts aren't as well organized.

>>13493118
The 'Target tier clothing'...what specifically was this in reference to? Perhaps by being more specific, we can discuss it towards a finer degree of precision. Or, was your point the one I alluded to, that it's about the monetary value of the coat being too high for the stuff that is being paired with it? If it's the latter, then my earlier post stands...but if it's the former, then we can talk more about it. Just let me know what specific elements are problematic to you.

>>13493444
Something that came to mind. In terms of t-shirt, what do you think would be a good collar to go with? The one I use in Jedi-core is very close, and so far v-neck shirts seem to also be winners. I suspect a high-necked (almost modified mandarin collar) shirt would be awesome (like the sleeveless mock-neck that Tom Cruise wears in Minority Report underneath his JAL), but those are very hard to find. So, what do you think (from my earlier post, what kind of 'grey', and from this one, what kind of t-shirt in terms of collar)?

>>13494045
A few days ago I tried to give a modified military core some serious thought, but I always came to the same unfortunate conclusion (which I don't think I posted here): military trousers are not really cut to be slim-fit...they're a little more baggy, for obvious practical reasons, and this conflicts heavily with the slim-fit cut and taper of the jacket itself. I don't think it works pairing baggy stuff underneath a slim covering (even though obviously the opposite works). It's a really tough call...I'd have to see it to believe it. That's why I never really wanted to go down that route.

There might be BDUs that are more slim fitting...could you suggest any? I don't think I could go with ones with lots of pockets, accessories, etc. It would have to be really clean, but rugged I think...what say you?

[Anonymous No.13494303]

>>13493118
the coat looks target tier anyway, expecially with the faux 'worn' look

[Anonymous No.13494421]

>>13494204
I'm honestly glad you be like your coat and are committed to wearing it. I think people in general need to worry less, have more fun, and stop stigmatizing the doing of stereotypically autistic things. So good on you. I still don't like the way the lapels and cuffs are a different color though.
>>13494206
The colors on your coat have a "muddiness" about them. When you pair them with flat high saturation colors of non-fatigued clothing it looks awkward and out of place.

>>13494236
Yeah, the busyness of camouflage pattern on your pants might actually help distract attention from how gay your coat looks.

[Anonymous No.13494474]

>>13494421
I appreciate your thoughts, so thanks Anon. And I understand the fact that you don't like the different coloured lapels and cuffs...for me it's what drew me to the jacket, so, what can one say.

'Flat high saturation colors'. I get the part about non-fatigued clothing, that makes sense to me I think. Can you elaborate specifically regarding flat high saturation colours (in other words, just tell me what colours you mean). My interpretation of it is flat (so no texture or pattern) and high saturation (I assume 'purer' colours, like pure red, pure blue, pure green and not a shade of any of them like light red or dark blue. If so, then I think I get it. You're trying to tell me that the jacket looks fatigued and 'used' in a sense, and therefore the clothing worn with it should also have a fatigued and 'used' aspect to them. This would agree with your mention of fatigued clothing....but in terms of colour, I'm lost. Would you mean wearing a shirt that, as an example, had colour that was faded or washed out? The texture I think I get...but it's the colour I need help with on this point.

Finally, thanks for your thought about 'how gay your coat looks'. Are you using that specifically to mean something a homosexual would wear, or are you using that in the 90's derogatory meaning (as in, a substitute for 'faggoty')?

Thanks Anon!

[Anonymous No.13494479]

>>13494421
>>13494474
Further to the colour question, does that actually explain why grey tends to go so well with this jacket? I mean, not because the jacket is grey, but because the jacket is antiqued, therefore grey is essentially a 'used' or 'antiqued' version of black? Or, conversely, a 'dirty' and 'unwashed' version of white? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.13494494]

>>13494421
>>13494479
Sorry, one last thing. Maybe when you said 'flat' did you mean 'non-reflective', like matte as opposed to gloss? Lots of possibilities. As I said before, I am not familiar with fashion lingo, so I require a little assistance with these things. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.13494536]

>>13494187
Wow. Thanks for explaining how much leather jackets cost. This is a fashion board, pham. I've owned many leaver jackets over my lifetime. Everything from vintage Perfectos to new Lewis Leathers. This is a board where retards drop $800 on chinese manufactured meme sneakers. You don't need to explain to us that leather products are expensive. I'm just saying that the extravagence of this statement piece does not match your style.

The fact that you're posting pics that don't show the most deal-breaking piece of any fit, the shoes, shows me how lost you are. I'm gonna exit this thread now, because I don't have any positive energy for you. Goodluck newfag.

[Anonymous No.13494859]

Do you get chix in this?

[Anonymous No.13495005]

>>13494494
Flat as in having high uniformity of color saturation. For example, any two points on a fairly new item of clothing typically will have the same degree of color saturation. On an old and heavily weathered piece this will not be true.
The two do not mix well from a visual standpoint.
I'm phone posting, otherwise I'd draw you a diagram.

[Anonymous No.13495027]

>>13494536
I'll have to disagree with you about the intent. The 'Ledder Jackettes' thread that was created about a week ago proved through the questions being asked on it that there were many Anons who were not at all familiar with the intricacies of leather jackets, either in terms of where to buy, how much to expect to pay, etc. to the issues of fit, design, and so forth.

My DMC jacket is a statistical oddity, both in terms of the actual numbers of jackets to the design itself, and therefore it's not like the normal cafe racer combo that the majority of leather jacket customers will buy. That is why this thread exists: the purpose of this thread is to solicit advice from Anons regarding colours, textures, and other things that might go with this jacket BECAUSE it is extremely unusual. It has all the problems/benefits of leather, but entirely unique problems regarding what goes with it. The former elements I fully understand, but the latter I do not.

I understand this is a fashion board...again, that's why I'm here to ask for assistance. Since Anons here have more experience with much more exciting aesthetics than I am, it makes sense to at least see what people can come up with. And thanks to many Anons, I've learned a lot so far.

You're lucky to have owned vintage Perfectos..they're very difficult to get in wearable condition, not to mention actually fitting well. Was yours horse-hide or cow-hide? No star or one star? I'd be interested to see.

>I'm just saying that the extravagence of this statement piece does not match your style.

That's absolutely fair to say, and easily the most important point. So, can you suggest some ideas?

Regarding the shoes: I mentioned far above that shoes would not be in the discussion just yet. Last night I was going to go out with boots, but then the whole Jedi discovery happened, so that derailed the tuck-in experiment which would be more towards military core. Anyway, the top is more important right now.

[Anonymous No.13495055]

>>13495005
I think I understand. This leads to a rather interesting, if not unique problem associated with leather jackets in general, and I'm curious as to your thoughts.

The general consensus with normal riders is that the more distressed (if it's natural distressing), the better it looks. I'm not talking about Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade type distressing, more like Raiders style. Gently distressed, definitely worn in and conforming to the body shape of the owner.

Usually with this kind of situation, the owner will still wear 'normal' clothes underneath the jacket: the jacket itself ages, but everything else doesn't.

The 'antiquing' of my jacket is meant to simulate this kind of aging colourwise, so as to skip the usual 15 year period of wearing the jacket out. So, here's the conundrum to me.

By the old standards, wearing my jacket with fabrics underneath that are flat would be okay, as it is the jacket that ages, not the stuff underneath. BUT! Your critique points to the combination problem aesthetically of pairing a large item of clothing that is absolutely not flat with lots of stuff that is.

Furthermore, I am now leaning towards your point of view even though mine used to be in the other direction. When I think about it now, wearing a distressed biker jacket with a fresh new T-shirt and jeans that are clean seems odd, when before it never used to seem strange.

This may be a strange thing to ask, but is this why people buy pre-distressed or torn jeans for hundreds of dollars? (I've NEVER understood that) With leather I understand, but with any other fabric it always seems like it's just shortening the lifespan of the garment dramatically, but now I think I'm getting it. If the purpose is to alter the flatness, to bring life to the garment as opposed to it being uniform, then that makes sense (distressing being the tool to bring life by textural differentiation, colour fading to do it by colour). Am I in the right direction?

[Anonymous No.13495058]

>>13494536
>>13495027
Actually, I should expand briefly on the boot thing. To me, the boot issue is easy to solve, far easier than anything else. I can (gasp!) copy the Dante-core boot thing and everything will be fine. The top though is where things are very difficult for me (shirts, maybe even a cravat or scarf, collar types, necklines, etc.); that's where I need the most help. I agree with you that the shoes matter, of course they matter. But to me it's the simplest thing to solve, so I'm not going to bother anyone here about it. Sorry you can't stay Anon, but thanks for your thoughts and critiques anyway. Maybe I could send YOU some positive energy? I seem to have it in abundance today....

[Anonymous No.13495101]

Wow. The lengths OP go to describe every nuance and reason behind his choice of clothing but still he has yet to compile a single good looking fit.

[Anonymous No.13495109]

>>13495101
He won't purchase new shirt and pants to fit it in trust me

[Anonymous No.13495266]

[Anonymous No.13495269]

>>13495058
You’re inspiring others Donte! Fuck the haters. You should lend this anon some support with potential fit advice based on your own experience - >>13493890

[Anonymous No.13495340]

>>13495101
Well, if you've read every 'nuance and reason', then you'd understand that I'm still in the process of learning how to construct a good looking fit. You're welcome to suggest some ideas.

>>13495109
At the moment, I'm trying stuff out from my closet as is. Though it's definitely possible that I may have to acquire a piece or two to make things better, it definitely wasn't in the plan, and so far in real-life circumstances both the Jedi-core idea and the old v-neck/blue jeans seem to work just fine. Expanding the wardrobe is always an option, it just wasn't the first one I wanted to follow.

>>13495266
I'm a MEME!!!!! That's so cool. I didn't even have to try...lol At least you took the pic where I suck in my gut (but sadly my fingernails still look long).

>>13495269
I'm not sure if this Anon is serious though. That design was done for the movie by JAL, and it was a minor alteration of a Swedish military jacket. JAL makes them though, so Anon might as well go with the original (which uses shearling) and not SR. They're heavy, and warm, but not much use unless the Anon lives in very cold climates. Personally, I've never seen the appeal of this jacket...yes, I know, Bain....but beyond this...it's just a military parka, nothing special.

That jacket can go with a bunch of things, so I don't think Anon needs my help. It's essentially a 60's/70's style military parka, so anything modern like jeans to anything military core like camo works well with this jacket. The one thing you need for sure though is a turtleneck...a nice warm woven Scandinavian turtleneck.

[Anonymous No.13495389]

>>13478510
If I saw you I would just think "That guy owns several swords and wanks to hentai." and move on with my life. No one is gonna say anything to you in real life except black teenagers. If you pass a group of black teenagers, they're gonna push your shit in, and they're gonna be right.

[Anonymous No.13495614]

Holy shit how many words can one person write about a fucking coat? Jesus.

[Anonymous No.13495629]

OP here,

Just copped some new sunglasses to go along with my jacket. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.13495649]

>>13495629
Try harder faggot. Donte is on point stylistically and wouldn’t wear that trash...

[Anonymous No.13496183]

Is OP the most autistic poster /fa/ has ever had?

Or is OP the best troll /fa/ has ever had?

[Anonymous No.13496259]

>>13479878
I am a sinner, but a humble servant

[Anonymous No.13496629]

>>13495389
That's fine; in our world it is necessary sometimes to determine if a person is a threat or not merely by sight. In some ways, that's precisely what /fa/ is all about; signalling through clothing our place in society, or outlook upon society, and of course, our political and social leanings and priorities. Clothing is a beacon, a costume that helps us to identify with a group for protection and immediate understanding. In some ways it is for me as well...and in other ways not. We cannot wholly emancipate ourselves from the meanings that are inextricably linked to our fabrics, our skins...but ultimately that is not for us to decide anyway.

I do not think like you. I don't judge people based on their uniform, their attempted individuality-costume. I always judge them on their actions. If I saw someone wearing this jacket, I'd probably think, 'nice jacket...but probably too extravagant for me.' Then I'd probably think, 'do they have THAT much confidence to wear that in public...or are they simply deluded?'...of course, if their body language and the way they interact with people confirms the thought, then it would be thus: 'they see something, a possibility that I do not, and they are utterly content and happy with that'. Am I as happy, and if not, why?

Your comment about black teenagers notwithstanding, while I fully understand your perception of judging people solely by their appearance, I think our world has shown us the potential of nearly infinite possibilities regarding the apparent match or contradiction between surface and core. Sometimes it's necessary to wait, to be patient, to see the rare event of the core penetrating the surface, breaking through in wisps of hinted excess or celebratory declarations of honesty and direct intent. And sometimes we are disappointed, because it leads to nothing, and proves that our initial instinct was dead-on. A tragedy of life...

tl;dr: We exist, and if you're patient, you can find us.

[Anonymous No.13496642]

>>13495629
I never feel into the 90's core flat 'futuristic' glasses look...though in some ways I do severely regret not buying a pair of Gargoyles. Vintage ones sell for a lot, but the mirroring apparently peels off quite easily...so the quality wasn't that good to begin with. They still make excellent pistol practice safety goggles though....

>>13495649
I appreciate the vote of confidence. If one were to take a poll, I'd probably be considered 95% crazy by the Anons who've posted here, and 3% 'getting there, but needs work', and that last 2% from the Anons who like my Jedi Core...As I said before, it's 'progress of a kind'....lol

Can you please explain to me though, without irony or jest, why you refer to the character as 'dOnte' instead of 'dAnte'? I don't get it at all...was it a simple misspelling that became a meme of its own, or is there a reference to the game that I don't know about? I always thought it was Dante....

>>13496183
I'd only be the best troll if I suddenly posted one day, 'Sorry guys, experiment over. I returned the jacket, I just couldn't find anything that would go with it'. I'm letting you know, without any doubt, that WILL NEVER HAPPEN! This coat is easily the most comfortable coat I've ever owned...I'm NEVER getting rid of it.

Also, why does autism keep on coming up? I know it's been a meme for a while, but seriously....Explaining something properly, or caring about something in detail doesn't imply autism at all. If you want to understand something seriously, you need detail...that's the only way to really 'level up'. I can understand it being used for ironic purposes of course...but by now in this thread, it's boring as hell.

Maybe I should put it another way. Is there nothing that interests you, such that you'd like to deconstruct it to the barest essentials, to understand everything about how and why it works, and then reconstruct it, but to YOUR own plan, and not someone else's? Aren't you passionate, Anon?

[Anonymous No.13496721]

I love you OP

[Anonymous No.13496729]

>>13496183
OP is the best person to ever grace this shit board

[Anonymous No.13496739]

>>13496183
He's the most based poster

[Anonymous No.13496748]

10/10 thread op is a God

[Anonymous No.13497179]

imagine investing this much time and effort into discussing one jacket, one single jacket, and being delusional enough to genuinely believe that anybody here gives a single shit

[Anonymous No.13497555]

>>13496721
>>13496729
>>13496739
>>13496748
Thanks Anons, I'm glad that this thread could be of use to people, and that my failures can serve to inform those who may also be trying to find their own voice and stumbling through aesthetic possibilities.

I have a very minor update: I've been experimenting with glasses and hairstyles. No, I'm not going to post any pics here, but I wanted to let you all know of some rather startling conclusions I have come to (well, they're startling TO ME, but you guys probably know this kind of info already):

1) You'll never see someone wearing a hooded long coat and sunglasses. It looks ridiculous, and the reason is simple. The function of the jacket is antithetical to the function of sunglasses. It only exists in anime-mode or fantasy genres, and in real life it is a blatant and obvious signal of the origin. Furthermore, when you wear sunglasses, the eyes are 'enlarged', so you've got a further problem. Hooded long coats make the head look smaller, and when you enlarge the eyes at the same time, you get the insect look that is wholly unattractive on men. Men look better to women when their eyes are small, or shielded, not big and baby-like. So, if you have a hooded long coat, be wary...it doesn't matter what material it is, or what design....if it has a hood, you probably shouldn't be wearing sunglasses.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13497577]

cont.
2) Even prescription glasses might be a problem here. I don't wear glasses at all, and if I do, they're sunglasses, so this doesn't apply to me but will apply to others. Hooded long coats like mine, given the design lines and function, don't seem to project 'intellect', which is a universally accepted aesthetic projection of the normal prescription glass. You'd have to get a frame that is heavy, or at least towards grunge/gothic in order for it to be serviceable. It seems that this jacket is a much bigger problem for a person's head than I could ever have thought, not only because of how the hood frames the head but how the jacket in total affects the perception of the features.

3) Facial hair is, surprisingly, something that works well if it is used to exaggerate or enlarge the facial features that are beneficial for masculinity projection. So, 5'oclock shadow which accentuates the jaw line (regardless of if you have a weak or strong one), moustache/van dyke combination to accentuate the mouth itself, etc. Beardies need not apply; this jacket looks like shit if you have a full beard because it destroys the neckline entirely, blending the coat into the body like Hagrid. It seems like, for the moment anyway, that the 5'o'clock shadow works best, because it falls in line with the distressed yet refined look of the jacket (aesthetics match nicely), a kind of 'rough, didn't have time to shave but still look awesome' kind of situation. In fact, this is something that this jacket excels at...looking like it's always on a hook in the front hallway, ready to be grabbed at a moment's notice to run out into the rain for an 'adventure' (of course, in real terms this means being late for the bus, or picking up that bottle of wine you forgot to for the dinner party).

cont.

[Anonymous No.13497593]

cont.
4) head hair. The most extreme scenario is that one can go bald, and the jacket looks great. I'm not bald or balding yet, but at least I know that in the future it'll be fine. The shape of the hair is rather interesting; if I wear the jacket without styling my hair (i.e. it's bed-hair, sticking up in all different directions), the jacket looks amazing, no matter what else is underneath it. If I style my hair the way I normally do (a little more formal, combed backwards), then it automatically makes the jacket seem either more formal or too informal for my hair. It's as extreme a difference as we see when we wear a suit, only with the opposite hair scenarios: if we wear a suit with excellently combed hair, we look like a million bucks...but if our hair is disheveled, our face dirty, etc, somehow the whole thing looks awful.

My guess here is that the bed-head hair serves two functions: it matches the 'get-up-and-go' practicality of the jacket, but it also more importantly makes the head look larger. One of the great difficulties of long coats in general is that the head tends to look really small (even when Trump wears his long coat, his head looks tiny even though he does have a big head). Unless you're model proportions, this is going to be a problem. The solution (this might be a chicken-and-egg scenario, but there's no need to get into that) in the old days of trench coats and long coats was to have a hat that would balance things out, and make the head look larger and taller. But today, we don't wear hats.

I always come back to the Cumberbatch Sherlock situation. His Belstaff long coat only looks good on him because his hair is large and curly. He has a big 'crown', which allows him to balance out everything with a scarf even. If you imagine him bald, or with hair like the 9th Doctor Who, then things go awry, and the coat looks too big on him, and it fails.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13497594]

>>13496642
I don't think anyone here considers you crazy neither in the positive nor the negative meaning of the term. You don't need to be bold to consider pulling that jacket as it isn't that unusual. The reason it garners so much attention here is because this board is very insecure and as a result resistant to change. Hopefully your thread will encourage more anons who want to play with this kind of silhouette and garments to come out of the woodwork.

[Anonymous No.13497601]

cont.

Right now, my hair is the medium length for the lifespan; I get it cut every 6 weeks, and we're in week 4 or so. By week 6 it'll be longer (it grows like weed), so I'll get to see how the jacket works with a larger crown. I think it'll look good, but as I said, I'll see, and I'll let you know.

Bottom line Anons: I had no idea how much a jacket like this would affect everything else, or as it probably should be stated, how much my own style and aesthetic may or may not be incompatible with a piece this specific. You can do almost anything with a leather biker jacket, it's all been done, and all the possibilities have been supported/exemplified by celebrities or the media. But with a hooded leather long coat like this, you really have to think much harder. It's not just about the colours (as I thought at the beginning of this adventure)....there's so much more to think about.

[Anonymous No.13497636]

>>13497594
That's comforting to know, but I don't know if I can agree with you about the jacket not being 'that unusual'. I've never seen anything like it in person, and hooded leather coats are so rare in general that for me it's been a very difficult process trying to find ideas that are 'established' in the real world. The only 'guide' that exists is Dante-core. That's one option, and I'm trying to find others because I can't believe that there is only one way to wear this jacket....that would be something of a milestone in fashion, I believe.

A jacket that is shaped like a cafe racer but having an odd colour scheme is still a cafe racer: you have half the problem solved for you in terms of the basic style you wear with the jacket along with the functions you wear it to. But this jacket..it's like there are parts of the jacket that contradict itself (which probably explains the feeling of Anons who say that this jacket is something of an aesthetic abomination), so it's not an easy thing for me to figure out.

I could very easily just wear it with whatever, and not care, which is what I'd be doing if I didn't take the plunge here. And in truth, it would probably have been fine because people here don't really care about that sort of thing. But, that's not why I'm here, of course.

I hope that this thread is encouraging to people too, but I know there are limits. I love this kind of silhouette, which hearkens back even to the older shapes of the classical era (think Mozart): the coat past the waist. It continues on in the Victorian period of course, and though it disappeared for a while (military long coats are longer, to the ankle or so), it has come back in various forms (lately we see it in Westworld or other media).

The danger though is that I know it's by nature a more conservative shape, because it essentially serves to hide the waist and trunk. It works on formal wear nicely, though it can look a little old-fashioned. cont.

[Anonymous No.13497653]

>>13497594
>>13497636
cont.

But it's also been lumped into the shooter/misfit core of kids who feel the need to wear protective clothing in order to feel protected. If everything is covered, then nothing can be assailed. This is something that will take decades to undo in the public consciousness.

It's a very tough thing, this jacket. But there are ways out, it's just a matter of finding them.

I can understand this board having an insecure vibe sometimes though, and it makes perfect sense. People here are experimenting, looking for options, and not wanting to look like fools. I get that completely. It's tough getting fashion advice to begin with, even from a 'friendly' tailor who tells you how to improve, but you can see in his eyes that 'there's nothing that can be done'....lol I've experienced that. But then...imagine getting fashion advice from a board where you can be called all kinds of insults and things. Fashion is a personal extension of all of us, whether or not we want to admit it, and we take it very personally when it's criticized, or worse, mocked.

But I tend to look at fashion as just another thing that we can change and adapt, like a hairstyle, or glasses, or whatever. A critique about what I'm wearing is not something I interpret as 'your personality is shit/stupid etc'....it's more along the lines of 'there are better combinations out there, and you're missing them' or 'you can project your personality more clearly by doing this'.

I don't know...maybe I'm just an idealist. Thanks for your thoughts though. This has been and continues to be a most interesting challenge.

[Anonymous No.13497754]

OP is troll. This copy pasta.

[Anonymous No.13497987]

>>13497754
Are you retarded? He's written a lot of very long and very detailed responses to posts in this thread. He could be trolling, but if so he's a troll who still spent 500 bucks on this awful jacket and spent days typing essay-length posts, so that might be the even-more-autistic of the two options

[Anonymous No.13498173]

>>13497653
You call the board insecure but you're the one repeatedly writing several hundred word posts trying to make a bad purchase work. I'm sorry pal, but if you have to think about it this much, it's never going to work.

[Anonymous No.13498190]

>>13479507
Facts

[Anonymous No.13498342]

It’s essentially something a deranged cosplaying lesbian would gravitate towards towards, the coat is inherently dykish....

[Anonymous No.13499314]

>>13478510
>>13497601
keep posting op

[Anonymous No.13499391]

Op you should look into adam jensens clothing from deus ex. Slim black cargos etc

[Anonymous No.13499633]

>>13497754
>This copy pasta.
OH my god....If someone else did this before, I'd like to meet him. At least he could provide me with a 'Cole's Notes' version of what to do. Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed the discovery process so far, and I've learned a lot, but still...at times I wish there was a shortcut...you know, 'In the event of leather covering, wear this inside and don't wear that...'

>>13497987
Thanks man...I appreciate the sentiment, even if I disagree with your assessment of the quality of the jacket (I wouldn't say 'awful'...the term 'aesthetic abomination' seems to fit the majority of viewpoints from other Anons). And, again with the autism.....dear oh dear.

>>13498173
If you'd read what I was responding to, it was another Anon (>>13497594) who had talked about insecurity on this board. My response was taking the other Anon's point of view into consideration, and responding appropriately. Has it suddenly become impossible to hover the arrow over the post reply number to see what I and other Anons are responding or referring to in a post? I could understand the possibility of a technical glitch, but it still works for me...

>>13498342
In all seriousness, in what way is the coat 'dykish'? There's nothing about the coat that overcompensates on the masculinity line (like, say, a Bullfighter's jacket), which is usually what happens when the more masculine of the lesbian pair wants to up the impression. Similarly, the lines of the jacket absolutely move towards a moderate to hard v-shape that is just not possible with most (I'd say all) women who are not bodybuilders or pole jumpers. Maybe the colours I could understand...but even the grey antiqued leather just...isn't right. Maybe if it was black....

>>13499314
I intend to, but it's been a VERY busy weekend, and I don't really want to post unless I have something of use or value to tell you guys.

[Anonymous No.13499646]

>>13499391
Interesting, thanks for the heads-up. In fact, on this note, is there a reason, or at least, is there a tradition in video-game designers to have characters wearing 3/4 coats like this often? I can understand it from the point of view of flow: if a character is running around (which most do), then you can have the jacket flow out behind them and it looks cool, no matter what. But is that the only reason? Similarly, I get the impression that there is a tradition in certain parts of Anime that tend to link with older 'western' lines that are stylized, and again, the 3/4 jacket tends to come out, not necessarily because flowing in the wind is a necessity but because of the links to the western jacket that always went to the knee (the 17th/18th century European clothing in particular).

Anyway, back to Jensen. So, earlier on I came to the conclusion that cargo pants can work as long as they're not camo, and as long as they're not heavily accessorized (they need to be slim, and can't have lots of pockets that enlarge the thighs or whatever). With the slim silhouette of this jacket, it is vital that the legs stay clean or else we get the dreaded 'swordmaster of doom' scenario (you know, like the one in pic related). Thick wide trousers with a jacket that only falls just makes everything look like a brick, and while I understand the viewpoint from 1997 or so that bricks symbolized strength, the reality is that today it looks extremely poor. cont.

[Anonymous No.13499663]

>>13499391
>>13499646
cont.

Within this thought process, to me it's utterly clear that the trousers must be slim fit, no matter what. Suit material, jeans, whatever...but must be slim fit. So, in a sense, we agree:
>Slim black cargos etc
If the jacket were larger, able to take a few layers underneath, then I could fully agree with your suggestion about cargos; what holds me back are the pockets problem. But there's another thing too.

Cargo pants go towards the military vibe, which I've looked into with this jacket. The biggest restriction I have found towards going in this direction at all is that the jacket seems to be averse to high necks of any kind. Collars simply don't look good on it, and I think it's because of the red lapels and hood. I've been image searching in my spare time, trying to find any situation where someone wears a collared shirt with a hood....it just doesn't exist. The standard way of doing things with a hooded jacket is to either go thin turtleneck (if you need a collar of any kind) or t-shirt and 'down'. There is no collared shirt with tie combination for this kind of jacket.

I realize that military core doesn't require a collared shirt at all, but it's something that to me comes out of the same historical tradition as the longer coat like this. And because the jacket doesn't have much else that is military (usually long coats have the two buttons/belt combination at the back, as well as adjustments on the cuffs), I'm leaning towards thinking that this jacket may be of its own segment or genre, a kind of 'flow first' core. It's hard to explain, and I might have to do it later, but the bottom line is that pre-established cores that are readily identifiable in current society just seem to conflict with this jacket if used in their purest expression, probably because the jacket takes something from one, something from another, and so forth. cont.

[Anonymous No.13499675]

>>13499663
cont.

This combination would normally suggest a jacket that could be paired with any of the aesthetics it uses...that's what I would think, anyway. But in reality it seems to be the opposite: when you pair it with something along one of the lines, it conflicts heavily with another line in the jacket. Hence why I ended up with Jedi core to start off.

Something else that is very important to note. It seems that it's a universal concept to have a hard centerline with 3/4 jackets of this kind. A belt, it can be heavy or light, depending on the jacket design, but you see it EVERYWHERE. Any movie character, video-game character, or random design that uses a 3/4 coat (and it doesn't even have to be leather) seems to require a hard beltline. I have no idea why, and I think it looks great, but it seems to be a 'rule' that I will need to follow forever with this jacket. It's not a problem, and finally I get to use one of my belts that for a long time was sitting at the bottom of a drawer. But still, it's a discovery nevertheless.

Finally, as much as I like your Deus Ex idea, the biggest problem here is that I can't do any serious military on the top. I can't layer lots of cables and stuff on the torso because the jacket doesn't have room for it. It's literally 1 layer underneath, because anything more just doesn't look good. So, the buildup of stuff that you would see on a character like Adam (even centerline buckles and stuff) just isn't feasible, nor do I think it looks good with the jacket because the jacket itself isn't utilitarian enough to warrant the stuff underneath.

Thanks for your ideas, I always appreciate them here!

[Anonymous No.13499723]

One more thought regarding the hard beltline.
It explains the reason why Dante-core works as well; he has a hard line that separates colourwise AND texturewise his torso and legs. A light coloured undershirt vs. black trousers, cotton vs. distressed something (probably jeans material)....everything is cut at the waist.

Fuck...it's all tied together. I wonder if the materials have to be tiered in terms of roughness vs. smoothness. In other words, one could easily say that cotton (or even flannel) is one step down from jeans in terms of softness, right? So....does that mean (with Dante-core) that the torso should be one-step softer than the legs, regardless of material (so if you went with leather trousers, the torso should be something harder like a jean's shirt?).

I have to think about this...because the other thing is what happens if colours and textures are reversed due to the visual impact. The use of lighter colours on top enlarge the torso, that's fine, and we use darker colours on the legs to make them look smaller, that's fine. But then we do the reverse with texture, if it's Dante-core: we use a thinner texture on the upper body and a thicker one on the lower. In other words, both sides compensate for each other.

Again, this needs more thought. But anyone is free to chime in here...I'd be interested to hear what you guys think about this. If I can figure out this aspect, then I can get very close to a kind of modus operandi regarding this jacket. What to pair, and how. Thanks everyone!

[Anonymous No.13499725]

Can't tell whether this thread is intricate bait or advanced faggotry

[Anonymous No.13499728]

>>13478510
>I have become autism, destroyer of worlds.

[Anonymous No.13499803]

Put me in screencap thanks

[Anonymous No.13499815]

>>13499803
Me too, hello future anons

[Anonymous No.13499851]

>>13499723
Problem guys, I've reached a chicken-and-egg impasse regarding the texture and colour issue.

Okay, here are the two possibilities.
1) When you have a lighter colour, it draws the eye more and makes things look bigger. Because of this, it is ideal to do a texture that is simple, to avoid overdoing the whole thing. Similarly, with a dark colour, it draws the eye less, making things look smaller. It's therefore ideal to do a texture that is more complex in order to keep the piece interesting. In short, COLOUR is the arbiter of texture.

OR

2) If a piece is a darker colour, it ALLOWS you to make the texture more complex IF you wish. If a piece is a lighter colour, it RESTRICTS your ability to use complex textures. So, colour doesn't select texture, but restricts or allows possible textures. Building this way, it would make sense to take the texture first, hence TEXTURE is the arbiter of colours.

I can't tell which causes which, or if they're so interlinked as to be inseparable (I'd guess the latter). Does anyone here know which would be a limiting factor....which do you guys use? Texture to determine what possible colours, or colours to determine what possible textures?

Lastly, I still haven't been able to figure out what 'texture' leather is. It's defined everywhere online as being 'a texture', one that is on the complex side of things. What texture is it? It's not woven, and it can be matte or gloss. It definitely has a grain, and depending on the age and animal, you'll see the grain in different ways. Or maybe the whole thing is just a bad question, and it needs to be assumed (like asking 'how happy is green').

Lots of questions today...but I don't know any answers to this...

>>13499728
>>13499803
>>13499815
Are you guys assuming I'll be preserved forever like the girl from the graduation pic? How did they put it, 'Pls be nice'....lol

[Anonymous No.13500393]

Lots of developments Anons! I took the time today to deconstruct the Dante costume piece by piece, thinking about why everything is the way it is, and I've figured out a few things. As always, I'll preface this by saying, 'You probably already know this..', but to me it's like splitting the Atom. Here we go.

1) The boots. The boots are chunky, but more importantly, the trousers are tucked in. WHY are they tucked in, you ask? To make the foot look larger. It's that simple. When you have the trouser break extend over the shoe, it makes the foot look smaller, but if the boot is high, it makes the foot look larger. It's NOT the same as women, because they use a heel to offset the perceived length of the foot and turn the added visual length into length OF THE LEG (!!!). Since men don't wear heels, this doesn't happen...the foot looks larger, that is all. The reason for making the foot look larger with this coat? So that it offsets the size of the jacket, which is automatically large thanks to its length. Yes, it comes out of the military tradition, but this is precisely where it in fact diverges from the 17th/18th century tradition that I alluded to earlier, and why I was in many ways wrong about that connection entirely. Their shoes make their feet look dainty, along with their stockings and pantaloons. The military thing is entirely different.

2) The belt, the halfway point, and how it works: So, if this coat is going towards a formal appearance, then a belt is absolutely required. Higher makes the legs look longer, lower makes the torso. Regardless, a belt buckle that draws the eye is required IF the belt is not prominent (i.e. a black belt on white trousers, or something contrasting). Hence my glossy one for Jedi Core. But here's the key: the belt is a requirement for the formal look because NOTHING seems to look formal if it is left untucked.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13500398]

>>13499803
Same 2bh lads

[Anonymous No.13500415]

>>13500393
cont.
Formality and tucked-in stuff is all related, and it seems that you need to start off with everything formally correct (everything buttoned up and tucked-in) BEFORE you start making adjustments and loosening shit to make it seem more casual (the last button on your vest being undone, the last button on your cuff sleeve undone, etc.) You can't build it backwards.

If you want this jacket to go towards a casual appearance, then you have to leave the shirt untucked, and therefore no belt is required as it would be covered. BUT! You still need the hard halfway point break. The only way to achieve this is to have contrasting colours (like Dante's white/grey top and black bottoms). If you do a black on black jedi core without the belt and untucked, you can't see a halfway break, and everything looks like a black hole. Similarly, if you do a Dante core but tuck-in the undershirt and add a belt, there's too much making the break.

3) The shirt and collar potentials: The neckline has given me significant problems over the past week. But here are the keys. The jacket provides serious angles to everything on the top. All the lines are straight, at regular angles. To alleviate this angularity, Dante-core uses an undershirt, which is really just a low swooping round neck. This combination (lots of sharp angles surrounding a round inner part) is a part of the solution: the two (sharp and round) compliment each other, but also accentuate each other (they each look more extreme). This is why round necked shirts work in general, and why collared shirts with a tie or not don't work at all. Additionally, the undershirt is a far better solution than the normal t-shirt precisely because the neckline is so low; it falls about halfway down the lapel, cutting the angle in half with a circle. This looks good proportionally, even if the neck line is slightly higher or lower (as that falls into Pythagorean proportions or rule of thirds proportions.

cont.

[Anonymous No.13500429]

cont.
When I thought I had solved it with the v-neck shirts, it was because I thought the problem was only with the length of the neckline. What I didn't realize was that the v-neck shirt follows the angles already present in the jacket, which leads to visual boredom. The shapes don't complement or accentuate each other...they agree to the point of blending in and disappearing. So, that's why opposites are important.

So, now I can create something of a modus operandi, at least based on Dante-core first.

1) Decide if formal or not. If formal, belt is required, shirt must be tucked in. If informal, shirt is left out, no belt used, and the colours between shirt and pant must contrast heavily enough to provide equator line.

2) If formal, one can consider the turtleneck or mock neck, but it must be a thin turtleneck or else it'll interfere with everything that is going on around the neck (the hood and hood material). I'm still not sure how to do this...a necklace may be required in order to make that curvature between the lapels that is required to break the angles.

If going casual, then round neck shirts are a must, no v-neck because it doesn't break the angle. If a high round neck, consider a necklace (again, I still have to figure that out...I don't have any necklaces that long), but if a low round neck, no necklace is required.

3) Trousers must be slim fit, no matter what. As long as they are darker than the torso, because I've tried the opposite and it doesn't work at all. Blue jeans don't work, even though I thought they could before. Black or grey trousers/jeans work fine. I also discovered why the tan trousers (but not white) worked with the colour scheme, but also why I might have to jettison that idea (I'll do a write up on pants at some point; in short, tan trousers are essentially 'dirty white', which relates to grey as 'dirty', which is the jacket colour and antiquing).

cont.

[Anonymous No.13500442]

Can somebody find his fucking wordcount so far
This is amazing to see

[Anonymous No.13500447]

>>13500429
cont.
4) Boots: always trouser leg tucked in, design by occasion. I think buckles on it are superior to laces, if I can help it. We'll see.

Now, the challenge is a simple one. I have to find options that are within the same function as the individual elements of Dante-core but are more adapted to my lifestyle and personality. The shirt so far is going to be the toughest...I have no fucking clue where I'm going to find something that has a low neck like that but isn't an undershirt or some kind of strange 'pro-wrestling' outfit. Or maybe I seriously have to look into the necklace option, even though I don't wear necklaces. Something...there has to be a way to break up the lapels. Maybe a scarf.....hmm....

Thanks guys, and any suggestions or critiques are always appreciated. Do you guys think my method and conclusions make sense, from a fashion standpoint?

[Anonymous No.13500488]

The coat is inherently vaginal, there’s a gynecological bent to it that’s more than suggestive. It’s the red flanges. You’re wearing withered labia....

[Anonymous No.13500569]

Amazed that this thread is still up

[Anonymous No.13500939]

>>13483312
This picture is awesome. It seriously makes me want to stop giving a fuck about normies and start wearing my leather trenchcoat more often.

[Anonymous No.13500974]

>>13486711
w2c these pants

[Anonymous No.13501494]

>>13500939
Man, if caring about normies prevents you from wearing clothing that is meaningful to you, then honestly, forget about the normies and just wear what makes you happy. I realize that that advice is just a shortcut to looking like shit sometimes, but really, when you think about life, how precious it is, and how short it can be, why not wear what makes you happy (as long as you're not walking in an area where you'd be likely to be beat up or robbed for wearing what you have on).

I love this jacket, and I know I'll get many years out of it. I still have to iron out a lot of the details (I've decided I definitely need some kind of necklace, not for Dante-core, but to create the artificial low neck line curvature), but things are coming along. But I'm definitely NOT ashamed of wearing the jacket in public in the current Jedi configuration (which is good, but not great, and definitely needs some refining).

Maybe you should do what I'm doing...take some time and research possibilities for your coat and see if you can make things more ideal for you, reinventing it in a way that doesn't immediately imply the 'shooter' core that seems to cling to the leather trenchcoat design like a bad perfume. And you're right, the pic is awesome, and I'm starting to understand it a bit more now in terms of why certain things are combined instead of others. Go for it man...you can do it.

[Anonymous No.13502087]

>>13499803
>>13500442
https://imgur.com/a/aQ3hvnP

[Anonymous No.13502191]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.13503431]

Well folks, I won't have time to experiment again for a few days, and by that point I think this thread will have been consigned to the archive. Before it does, I wanted to thank you all for your advice and ideas, and I promise to come back and let you know if any other cores develop that are appropriate to use with this coat. It's a tough one, no doubt about it, but the relationships between various elements are making more sense to me now, so I think from here on out it'll be steady progress.

Incidentally; the scarf things works, and can be used in lieu of a necklace. I don't wear necklaces, and the ones I have from the past are no where near as long as is necessary, so I might be going with a scarf possibility for now. But, for those curious about the option, the scarf has to be rather thin for it to work...thick scarves take up too much room and distract from the lapels. For the same reason that long coats tend to work well with thin ties, long coats work well with thin scarves.

Good luck to you all in your experiments in fashion. Don't get stressed about trying something new or potentially failing...it's only through this that we learn.

Until next time.

[Anonymous No.13503452]

>>13478510
> this pic
Best bait I've seen on /fa/ thus far.

[Anonymous No.13503605]

>>13503431

The problem isn't discovering some magical combination that'll make this thing look good, because there isn't one. It'll look like a costume whatever you pair it with. The red makes it look ridiculous. If it weren't for the Union Flag it'd make you look like an SS commander.

If I saw some steampunk/goth wearing this with New Rocks and leather trousers and a top hat I'd think he was a pretentious tosser, but at least the coat would fit in a bit better.

[Anonymous No.13503637]

>>13503605
Don’t you think it looks somewhat vaginal too, what with the piss flap like flanges?

[Anonymous No.13503728]

This is an epic thread, OP I'm really glad you like your jacket, these haters can go jump in a lake

[Anonymous No.13503789]

>>13503605
Op seems like a nice, if highly autistic fellow, but yeah that coat just be reminded me of those cunts who would wear pirates of the Caribbean coats on public in a desperate attempt to nail underage poon.

[Anonymous No.13503937]

>>13503605
Curious...lots of things here.
>discovering some magical combination...
Obviously not. As those who have followed this thread can attest, my search has not been along these lines at all. The purpose was to find out WHY particular combinations work well with this jacket and why others do not. It was never enough to just say, 'dress like Dante'...that's useless. There are reasons for things (for instance, why the undershirt looks better untucked for this kind of drape), and I wanted to know the logic behind the reasons. I'm not interested in anything magical...if you know the rules behind the illusion, then you can create your own magic for others to wonder at.

>look like a costume...
Of course. All clothing is a costume, the real question is if the costume serves to promote the ideas you want your public to think of. A suit is a costume, and we wear it to the office because that's the uniform of the office. Matching pajamas are a costume too...since most people, if given their choice, would just wear anything and NOT want anyone outside their immediate family to see them. I'm sorry Anon, but once you recognize clothes for what they are in society, only then can you be free.

>look like an SS commander
That's actually my norm in many respects. I have two long leather coats which go over my suits, and the black one is a Boss, which is cut in their notoriously sharp lines. Over a white collared shirt, black tie, and black trousers, it is very SS indeed, very imposing, and suitable for my social interaction at work. So, it's not at all alien to me.

>the coat would fit in a bit better
Yes, this is one of the greatest problems I've been having to figure out. It's a natural instinct to put this coat into the steampunk/goth because that's where it came from, obviously. But that's simply not where I'm going with it in terms of aesthetic. I've already solved quite a number of problems understanding why Dante-core works. cont.

[Anonymous No.13503948]

>>13503605
>>13503937
cont.
When these strategies are applied to other aesthetics, they work with minor adjustments (the mid-line curvature of the neckline, for instance, is universal, as is the belt/no-belt adjustments to all pieces in the structure). So, it's getting better. But it will take time, it's not something that can be solved immediately by someone as inexperienced in fashion as me.

Incidentally, leather trousers absolutely DO NOT work with this coat....the problem is the uniformity of material. Unlike motorbike riding coats (which are either waist cut or complete trench), 3/4 jackets are utterly useless on motorcycles, and are thus not part of the aesthetic. Given that leather trousers are only worn in this aesthetic or as a derivation from it, you'd have a severe conflict of function. That can work, if you're a world-renowned designer...but not if you're me.

Secondly, and most importantly about leather trousers, is that they take up too much space. The way the coat is designed, it requires trousers that are not massive. They can be thick in terms of actual material (all the way to jeans) but not wide or heavy looking, which leather trousers almost always are. There's a mass to leather trousers which just doesn't exist in other materials, and it would be severely detrimental to the jacket, which is in many ways designed to look very light (the taper, for one thing, hints at this, but also the heavy shoulders vs. tight waist is very much the opposite of the 'weighty' jackets that you'd see on shooters or Matrix fanboys). There's much more to this coat than trends, and there's a good reason why Dante's costume involves distressed slim-fit/skinny trousers/jeans.

[Anonymous No.13503976]

>>13503728
Thanks Anon! I'm glad I like the jacket too. I was very worried when I ordered it, not about the design, but about the fit. It's always a significant risk to buy anything online for fit, but leather has to fit your body precisely; you can't have something wrong, and if you do, unless you take it to a tailor, it'll always look wrong. The jacket fits my body like a glove...easily one of the best fits of any of my jackets. The challenge, as you've seen, is to find other things that go with it that are not Dante core.

>>13503789
Thanks Anon, I try to be nice. Life is too short to spend making people feel bad. I can understand the reminder of the pirate core, which definitely came about after the 2nd movie or so. But like everything in our society, these things go in waves. When the first Jurassic park came out, people wanted to dress in 'archeologist' core: flannel, hats, all of it. Then that died out. Titanic came out, and people started experimenting again with early 20th century ideas, both in suits and in leisure (suspenders became a thing again). Then that died. Then the Matrix, and so on. It's all the same. Does anyone here remember when Gladiator came out, and the year after, all the women were wearing heels with those leather lace things up their calves, like the roman sandals? Honestly...it's all the same. Eventually, the trend dies out, and people go back to what they're comfortable with, until the next big thing comes around.

The greatest thing about this jacket for me is that I still have a hard time placing it in time. It doesn't scream 2005 or whatever...it has the lines of a modern but not too modern 3/4 coat, with random things attached to it. The back panel could be a little 1970's. The hood is definitely 'unique'. The front is clean, suggesting 90's or early 2000. The colour scheme goes to Victorian blood mania / jack the ripper core. The arm panels are essentially pixellated in terms of shape (so, 2003+).
cont.

[Anonymous No.13503992]

>>13503789
>>13503976
cont.
The point is, I like the fact that for the people in my circle and greater society, it's not possible to narrow this coat down to a single thing. It can suggest a lot, if I can get the combinations right. And it'll never be dated like big shoulderpads on women from the 80s or oversized clothing from the 90's on everyone. Even the super-slim suits that we see today are really just an outcrop of athletes being in good shape wearing suits to go to the arena, and their pics being plastered over the media. There never used to be such an obvious physical standard when I was younger...but now there is. And I don't honestly think that that will change (well, I should be more specific. The slim suit thing may relax a bit, especially with the reemergence of double-breasted suits....but I don't think the superslim suit will disappear, because there are too many men who take their nutrition and physique seriously for this to happen). We can think of the slim suit as being 2007ish. But my coat....it is not restricted by it's design to an aesthetic that is based in a specific period of history. It's in many ways, timeless (oh man, that statement will really make people here cringe).

So there we are.

[Anonymous No.13504006]

Carpal tunnel syndrome the thread. 299. Someone kill it.

[Anonymous No.13504078]

https://imgur.com/a/aQ3hvnP

[Anonymous No.13504129]

>>13501494
I've mostly been avoiding doing it as a courtesy because I don't like frightening people. But really the few people who are scared of me are frightened regardless of the trenchcoat, because they're Christian boomers and soccer moms who feel threatened by anyone who isn't a Christian boomer or soccer mom.

[Anonymous No.13504260]

>>13504129
Well, a trenchcoat is imposing, no matter what. But it can always be softened (the most of course is to put a suit and tie underneath it, like Bogart style). Even if it's not full suit and tie, you can still go for more refined fabrics that the trenchcoat will cover (I don't know...maybe Chinos instead of suit pants, a knitted sweater...no military gear of any kind....I'm just guessing here). Furthermore, the shoes are a dead give-away: if you make your shoes more refined, you'll be less likely to frighten people, I kid you not. You know how much effect a steeltoed high black boot can achieve...well, same thing goes for a more refined but relaxed shoe (like a brogue of some kind). Again, something that doesn't give any vibe of being either military or military wannabe.

Of course, you're hearing fashion advice from someone who clearly doesn't have the authority to give it, so take it with a grain of salt, of course. But if the weather suits it, wear the fuck out of it and remember that you only live once. Good luck Anon!

[Anonymous No.13504707]

>>13503992
What do you work at that requires you to look like a Nazi?

[Anonymous No.13504715]

Add me to the screen grab!

[Anonymous No.13504799]

>>13504707
In my area of expertise, people come to me to solve their problems. I'm essentially the 'last resort' when others fail. This does NOT involve violence, or anything like that. However, a certain authority is convenient to maintain.

>>13504715
HEY! How's it wearing man? Yours arrived around the same time as mine. Has anyone complimented you on yours yet?

[Anonymous No.13504837]

>>13504799
Do you broker bail bonds or something?

[Anonymous No.13504860]

>>13504837
No no, far more intellectual work than that. As I said, I'm the last resort when someone can't solve a problem in my field, so I'm in many respects a kind of consultant, or adviser of a kind. I'm not a 'friend' to someone who requests my thoughts and help: I'm their superior. The one thing that the Germans got right about their uniform design in that time period was the intent on establishing a visual 'authority' which other uniforms of the time did not necessarily have. Suits and ties do that automatically compared with the common man, but when you go downtown and everyone is in a suit and tie, you're part of the rabble once again. So, I can distinguish myself by going one step towards that authoritarian aesthetic, and given the work I do, it makes perfect sense.

There are some things in psychology that will always be universal in terms of perception. I simply take advantage of those instincts when I'm wearing formal clothing.

[Anonymous No.13504909]

>>13504860
>>13504837
>>13504799
>is a systems administrator
>"I'm essentially the 'last resort' when others fail"

[Anonymous No.13504921]

>>13504860
lol this guy must be a troll, literally no one is this fucking bad at trying to brag about a shite job

[Anonymous No.13504990]

Let's put it over 310.

>>13504909
I think a better suggestion would have been the Microsoft Tech Support hotline (I think everyone hates them more)....but I appreciate the effort you put into your post.

>>13504921
The job is excellent, but it took me a while to get into. Now I can finally choose my hours, which is great, but since there are very few people who can do what I do, sometimes I have to go in or conference-call. It's not the type of work I can sub-contract out....and at times I wish I could. But I love what I do, and the compensation is appropriate, so I'm happy.

To the end of this thread. Wear your jackets, and don't heed the noises of the madding crowd.

[Anonymous No.13505523]

>>13504860
You work at a pawn shop

[Anonymous No.13506188]

>>13505523
No, pawn shops are very depressing, and in some ways, they don't actually help people at all. It's very sad, actually.

Goodbye.