VIRGIL ABLOH DEBUTS LOUIS VUITTON SS19 LIVESTREAM

[Anonymous No.13458060]

GET IN HERE! Livestream start in less than 10 mins!

Get comfy, get a blanket or your favourite oversized sweater and a cup of your favourite beverage.

http://melkoghonning.no/vi-streamer-live-fra-virgil-ablohs-debutvisning-for-louis-vuitton/

https://www.crfashionbook.com/

[Anonymous No.13458062]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLoTrv_aLC4

[Anonymous No.13458065]

https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/stories/men-spring-summer-2019-show

[Anonymous No.13458070]

it has begun

[Anonymous No.13458092]

holy shit the absolute state of /fa/ no one is interested in this. virgil might be a hack but it's still interesting if you are interested in fashion.

[nekuro No.13458094]

isnt this the dude thats friends w/ a bunch of rappers

[Anonymous No.13458103]

Anything virgil makes is a shit version of other peoples ideas, he is not effay and ruined LV which was already struggling

[nekuro No.13458108]

>>13458103
destr0yed
i like his name though (dmc)

[Anonymous No.13458109]

>>13458062
>wears necklace that says REVENGE
>frame cuts to a cotton bush

Why can't people just not make things political for once

[Arachni No.13458115]

Why do all their shoes have green laces?

[Arachni No.13458123]

These pants are disgusting

[Arachni No.13458124]

This shirt is gross and why tf are the gloves and laces green.

[nekuro No.13458128]

well that was pretty bad
just so bland

[Arachni No.13458133]

IMO much of the collection was either gaudy or basic. The only things that I liked were a trench coat and a vest.

[Anonymous No.13458154]

It was fucking great (not from a design perspective, I'll give you that), LVMH taking big W's. Kanye and Virgil at the end, fuck. But of course, expect nothing but "shit fucking garbage nigger" comments here. The man is currently arguably the most influential designer and you're eyeing those Jordans because of him, admit it

Sales of LV men +15% bare minimum, that's why he was hired and that's what he delivered.

[Anonymous No.13458169]

>>13458154
But its shit

[Anonymous No.13458192]

>>13458169
Who gives a fuck if it's "shit", this is a business. The sales are about to take off big time. Virgil is worldclass when it comes to branding. The story between him and Kanye is too good and he just managed to leverage that into a sellable product. The clip of him hugging and crying with Kanye, on a LV show, at France, while Kanye is #1 Billboard, hits you on a such a deep level, that you'll have a shit ton of young black people buying LV for that moment alone. The new LV man is fresh and modern. It doesn't need to be amazing designwise. Go watch some 90's mcq if that's you want. LV is here to make money, not impress 20yo 4chan kids who shop exclusively at sales (that's me also, don't take it personally)

And yeah, that's Kim, Travis and Kendall playing a siderole in the picture. Don't think for a second this wasn't engineered by the best marketers in the business

[Anonymous No.13458198]

>>13458154
But shit is really wack

[Anonymous No.13458234]

he played it really really safe.

[Anonymous No.13458239]

>>13458192
we're here to discuss the clothes not the weird personality cult of the designer.

[Anonymous No.13458244]

>>13458192
cute!

[Anonymous No.13458245]

pretty meh

[Anonymous No.13458249]

I don't care about any of the fashion shit I will never buy LV anything. But Kanye and Virgil together again, tears flowing I cried a hundred billion tears for them.

[Anonymous No.13458255]

never forget

[Anonymous No.13458315]

>>13458060
Fucking Subhuman Amerimutts ruin everything

[Anonymous No.13458362]

>>13458255
I really, really want to watch this anime

[Anonymous No.13458364]

>>13458192
Fashion shows disgust me. Just like when I was in the high fashion district in Paris. Bunch of Bourgeois sheep.

Yuck.

[Anonymous No.13458365]

LV has always been gaudy shit for tasteless rich folks, I don't get how this is any worse than previous collections

[Anonymous No.13458427]

>>13458092
I'm on the west coast. You think I'm gonna watch a live show at 5am PST for a brand I care little about and a designer I care less about. Trust me. Abloh/LV will get memed on for their entire relationship. No need to rush. Just relax and enjoy the shit show at your leisure.

[Anonymous No.13458440]

>>13458060
" HACK "

[Anonymous No.13458445]

>>13458154
>you're eyeing those Jordans because of him, admit it
Jordans will outlive this meme designer
kys

[Anonymous No.13458446]

>>13458060
>VIRGIL ABLOH
discount Demna
>LOUIS VUITTON
discount Balenciaga

[Anonymous No.13458453]

>>13458060
" DESIGNER "

[Anonymous No.13458457]

>>13458446

not even fucking close. horrible comparison

[Anonymous No.13458464]

>>13458154
>talking about fashion like it's competitive fetching
>>>/sp/

[Anonymous No.13458466]

>>13458092
>holy shit the absolute state of /fa/ no one is interested in this. virgil might be a hack but it's still interesting if you are interested in fashion.>>


lmao chill out dog , we get it you have one peice of Off white

[Anonymous No.13458886]

>>13458109
I’m black idk why this post made me lol but thanks anon

[Anonymous No.13458919]

>>13458315
Enjoy your ban

[Anonymous No.13459098]

>>13458154
This is true.

[Anonymous No.13459176]

>>13458457
not him but virgil is still a discount demna

[Anonymous No.13459218]

>>13458255
iconic

[Anonymous No.13459563]

Flame emojis
bro im CRYYYIIING rn tho its so lit
blacks are genius YAAAASSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.13459575]

[Anonymous No.13459588]

This trend of oversized pants is fucking garbage. It looks like ridiculous clown pants. Get some fucking pants that fit!

[Anonymous No.13459637]

>>13459588
Is that cudi? Lmao didn't know he's a manlet.

[Anonymous No.13459660]

>>13459575
As long as the boomers are crying im good
Everyone commenting on the lv instagram are huge brand whores

[Anonymous No.13459674]

Larping 101

[Anonymous No.13459678]

>>13459674
lmao fucking chink teenagers

[Anonymous No.13459693]

>>13459660
>>13459674
Jesus, these people are fucking losers.

[Anonymous No.13459696]

>>13459674
oh man gah damn

[Anonymous No.13459709]

>>13459678
>>13459693
>>13459696
>bruh dese guys don kno bou finna cop muh streetwear dis da lit wave senpai we made it bruh he an artist KANG

kys

[Anonymous No.13459714]

>>13459709
Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.13459716]

>>13459709
>all I want is like a sweater with the monogram on it

[Anonymous No.13459730]

>>13458255
hiphop fans started assuming Kanye was gay because of this photo lol, it dominated the discourse for years

[Anonymous No.13459736]

if you have to save up all that money then maybe...

[Anonymous No.13459749]

>>13459736
What do boomers think luxury is, aristocrat core?
Whether or not you think the collection is fashionable, it is undeniably "luxurious" in the sense that it is incredibly extravagant

[Anonymous No.13459756]

Kiko kostadinov is shitting on virgil on his ig.

[Anonymous No.13459764]

>>13459756
based

[Anonymous No.13459788]

yikes

[Anonymous No.13459793]

>>13458192
i want to agree with you, but it's not true. the paradigm has shifted completely away from the tidal wave of "collective". these fashions are just like being in a tiny echo chamber, where they all congratulate eachother for being so inclusive and collective. it;s the same as the nba and nfl, to be quite frank, no one gives a fuck about slavery, gen z doesn't even know who hitler or stalin is, or even reagan or nixon, or jfk. all they care about is how they have nothing, and all these people from other places are here, being propped up as "fashion" designers, and it doesnt hold any water any more, the "feel good" inclusive bs that was indocrinated into the boomer gen and gen x, has ended. no one gives a fuck about your feefees for being black.

[Anonymous No.13459799]

>>13458192
>Kanye is #1 Billboard
this literally means absolutely nothing. the music industry (which is basically the rap industry) is a failing industry. its like hollywood, there is no more profit in it. because there is no more middle class. the biggest boom for the "modern music industry" which is rap music and shitty rnb crap, happened in the 90s with children of baby boomers becoming teenagers, right afte the 80s with run dmc, where it was initially spawned. there is no more middle class, and no more endless disposable income from these teenagers now. and you can get music for free anyway. there is no actual value, in the industry, same with fashion, when the fashion industry exists solely to prop up shitty streetwear made in vietnam crap, that cost 1$ to make, there is no actual value. the value comes from the real economy. all the actual real economies are in asia now. they actually add real value, because they take the raw materials and convert it into goods, which they then export to the echo chambers in France and USA and England, and Germany. Made in Germany, literally means nothing now. Because all the components are imported from China.

[Anonymous No.13459857]

>>13459788
kek

the whole insta story

[Anonymous No.13459895]

>>13459749
But the clothes aren't at all extravagant -- they're not nearly as distinctive as the baroque of Gucci, the technofascism of Prada or the subversive or disruptive™ qualities of demna's shite. Tonal greys, whites (off-whites xD epic) and sickly greens, odd contrasting side bags, pooling baggy pants, poorly tailored shirts and jacket/hoodie combos aren't extravagant at all, they just reflect what is hot in insta streetwear right now. Doesn't really make me think of Louis Vuitton, nor does it establish a new, compelling look for what is a meh nouveau riche brand

The extravagance was the a location/spectacle of the show for such unexceptional clothes

[Anonymous No.13459926]

>>13459895

yea im not sure what the vision was for this. i remember him saying he wanted to focus on bags as clothing items, but even they where really underwhelming. I wanted this to be good but the show was kinda trash


>>13459588
pointless opinion

[Anonymous No.13459977]

>>13459926
Hmm yea I feel that any styling vision was secondary to the statement made by Virgil's coup -- the breaking down of barriers yada yada. I agree, the accessories were't great (for a company that centres on selling gaudy accessories to aspirationals) and the statement sweaters such as the Yellow Brick Road one seemed like such desperate attempts to jump on the Raf/dries/etc hype train

[Anonymous No.13459980]

>>13458060
o boi kering is laffin at this shit

poor cuck virgil not allowed to fuck with their branding in photoshop or what kek

[Anonymous No.13460001]

>>13459980
lol

[Anonymous No.13460010]

>>13459926
All opinions are pointless. These pants don't fit and it looks bad.

[Anonymous No.13460020]

>>13459756
Rofl

[Anonymous No.13460266]

>>13459756
Kek. Imagine how he feels. Went to fashion school and spent a few years learning about stitches, fabrics, fitting etc and suddenly out of nowhere this american guy got hired by LV because he used inverted commas in his designs.

[Anonymous No.13460274]

>>13458092
people who don't care about high fashion aren't interested, neither are people who do care because it's hypebeast trash

[Anonymous No.13460286]

>>13458154
>>13458192
>Who gives a fuck if it's "shit", this is a business
people who actually care about fashion and not two niggas embracing (WOW POWERFUL)
God I hate hypebeast """"culture""""

[Anonymous No.13460310]

>>13460286
lolzzors, agree

[Anonymous No.13461076]

>>13459588
i laughed so hard when i saw cudi blocking the runway with his huge ass pants and his eyes almost closed

[Anonymous No.13461243]

>>13459788
I don’t get it. Is he saying Virgil is biting him? This pictures from Kiko’s Instagram.

[Anonymous No.13461254]

>>13461076
I didn't notice that was cudi. I was surprised that the models for such a big event didn't know how to walk and ended up in a traffic jam behind one guy. Now it makes sense.

[Anonymous No.13462170]

>>13461243
Yeah I didn't get it as well. I thought it was bad tailoring at first but Kiko's stuff has similar fit.

[Anonymous No.13462185]

>>13458255
Is this JoJo Part 5?

[Anonymous No.13462239]

Collection was quite boring and safe as has been said. Quite confused the positive reaction this has Received in some circles. It’s like people thought he was going to completely destroy the house and are just pumped that he didn’t.

[Anonymous No.13462332]

>>13458239
how can you discuss the clothes without discussing the designer who orchestrated them?

>>13460010
woosh

>>13459895
I think Virgil is elevating streetwear, and the tenants of it... (Jordan, Hip Hop, Authenticity, Iterative Repetitive African Improvisation..) into popular culture., I find it easier to talk fashion to west coast frat ish people

the connection is bricolage, maybe an attempt to capture the essence of 'american craftsmanship' in the wake of globalization of production.

Virgil represents an intersection of Tom Sachs and Kanye. Tom Sachs is himself an intersection of the blood-sweat-tears of hand crafting and fine art. Tom Sachs is the hands. Kanye West is a figurehead of american music for the past 14/15 years. Kanye West is the voice. Virgil is the third... He opens the path to the mind. He is the Artistic Director.

He allows us to speak, and realize our words before our own eyes.

We have

the things we hear,
the things we wear,
the things we make.

We have a complete global culture.
Louis Vuitton is will live on in the next generation of culture.

Or that could be what a western-centered theory looks like.

In Kanye and Virgil are hugging. Behind them is a Japanese man.
This man is Takashi Murakami. He is a contemporary japanese artist, focusing on post-war japanese society.

He introduces the concept of 'superflat'
... which is what it sounds like

suppose we have a sphere
a superflat view of that sphere
is the intersection of that sphere with a plane, any plane.

If we take the sphere to be world culture,
and a plane to be one person's observation of that culture,
then by immortalizing a certain "observation of culture," we can derive what we saw as important from that snapshot.

In this snapshot, we see male intimacy, care, vulnerability immortalized.

With Virgil's Debut Louis Vuitton Men's Collection, these men have bridged the gap of western male masculinity and eastern male intimacy, globally.

That's worth celebrating.

[Anonymous No.13462334]

>>13462332
rip xxx

[Anonymous No.13462344]

>>13462332
nice

[Anonymous No.13462360]

>>13462332
very good post

[Anonymous No.13462430]

>>13458154
>not from a design perspective
So just money then, by that logic you should admire H&M and Zara more than this hack, they're far more lucrative companies.
These clothes are to fashion what Buzzfeed is to journalism and what fan fiction is to Literature: lazy and unispired

[Anonymous No.13462435]

>>13462332
please be a new pasta

[Anonymous No.13462499]

>>13462332
So many words in response to my narky lil post...

Murakami, Virgil, Kanye are all insiders to an incredibly successful, incestuous club that sells a lazy form of "art" as a product and as a brand, leveraging their image to produce something empty yet highly lucrative. And they don't seem to get called out for it. All this shit is so intimately related to money its sickening, from Murakami's garish factory-made pieces to Virgil's derivative profundity. It might be well marketed design but it is neither art with integrity nor is it itself saying anything beyond the surface. Whether its Murakami courting the wealthy art world or Abloh's pursuit of profit, their common art ethos is just corporate trash spun in platitudes and verbal pretension, elevated to an undue position of cultural currency. Luka Sabbat on his insta story, post-Louie V show, harping on about how they're 'pushing the culture forward' (what exactly is 'the culture"?) come to mind, its a shite culture lole. People throw around the word culture too much

Read into a cringe embrace or Murakami's self-aware consumerist superflat doctrine as much as ya like, they're both hacks.

rant over

[Anonymous No.13462720]

>>13462499
>Murakami, Virgil, Kanye are all insiders to an incredibly successful ... brand, leveraging their image to produce something empty yet highly lucrative.

This is neo liberal capitalism. The '' insiders '' are people with incredibly high intellectual property value per capita.

This is no different than current luxury goods, pharmeceuticals, etc...

it is a shadow of western culture's capitalist roots; all markets have " free unregulated market " elements to them there because they are derivative of " free market capitalism ".

These people are actually using their IP value in a very positive, imo, way. They are professing a story of self-determination, self realization that black people, oppressed people, minority people (in whatever contexts) have always dreamed of. That dream of self realization is closer to the heart of the American Dream than the Protestant " ideal city on the hill " ever was. The key of the " city on the hill " image is in its perspective. (something world culture i feel needs a lil dose of) If we are investigating an oral description a city on a hill, we then can derive the existence of the observer. A " hill " is an elevated section. So our observer (ourselves) is below the ideal. And INHERENT in the American Dream is that we cannot reach our ideal; for the image to match our perceived reality, we must necessarily place ourselves below the " ideal ".

>All this shit is so intimately related to money its sickening
It's intimately related to money because money is one of the paths we live on. It's sickening as far as life is.


> Luka Sabbat on ... how they're 'pushing the culture forward' (what exactly is 'the culture"?) come to mind, its a shite culture lole
maybe that’s not the culture and maybe he's an idiot

Are all white american teenage boys bad because white american teenage boys shoot up kids and schools?


I think you might like looking into Tom Sach's work. I found answers to your questions in him.

[Anonymous No.13462766]

>>13462720
I'm not sure I see what's uplifting in seeing minorities try to fit in white people's game. Abloh had his own brand and style and went ahead and became someone's employee to prove he could make it in the white world, on white terms.

[Anonymous No.13463018]

>>13462766
In what way has Abloh dissolved his brand into one of a
>white world
that exists in
>white terms
?

[Anonymous No.13463054]

im just going to repost my thoughts from the other thread here, as this is where discussion seems to be about virgil and LV specifically:
i liked the tie-dye and mohair gradient pieces. i liked the bag design, though im not myself interested in having any.

i dont really fathom the charge that this collection is "hypebeast streetwear." are we looking at the same collection? id put the split of streetwear to tailoring at 40:60, if not 25:75. there are clearly more trousers than jeans, more coats and blazers than jackets, and more shirts than t-shirts. its fine if you want to quibble about the merits of the design and styling of the tailoring (i find it boring on the whole), its just prudent to observe that the collection is in a different ballpark than, say, a supreme or stussy collection.

im also exhausted of the presumed "heritage" and "house" people automatically have for LV. this is not the same as Armani or Dior. LV didnt make clothes until 97, and as far as i can tell they didnt have mens RTW until... 2005?

when i think of a fashion house, they have couture, made to measure for men--if not bespoke service--, RTW, diffusion, fragrance, and accessories. LV is aspiring to be a fashion house, but they still are not there in my view. this is contrary to the complaint i have been hearing so often, as though virgil is spoiling some storied, fragile, century-old history. this is mistaken in the premise. their menswear has the same lifespan as affliction and juicy.

even the streetwear that is there, i also dont grasp how people imagine this is unprecedented. what do you call hedi slimane's punk rocker at dior homme if not streetwear, basementwear?

[myfriend !rH6y.W.1eM No.13463069]

Hahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.13463093]

>>13463069
lol. add it to the list of designers "elevating" classic sneakers

[Anonymous No.13463109]

>>13463069
>pic related

[myfriend !rH6y.W.1eM No.13463189]

>>13463093
I'm fully aware of such products in fashion history before. It's just the thing that these LV high tops
look like a fucking mishmash of Jordans, Prada, Converse and Avia. So many styles at once that they don't have their own character. If there was no LV logo in picrel, would you expect these sneaks to be actually produced by this brand?

[Anonymous No.13463229]

>>13463189
mishmash? except for the color swaps between white, grey, and black they look nearly the same. not seeing converse at all. nor prada. err, what prada sneakers do you seen in the LV?

and jordans? uh sure, in the sense that all basketball shoes resemble one another with a high top and perforated toe. thats doesnt amount to much of a critique though, its like vans ripped off keds with the authentic. or common projects achilles ripped off adidas court vantage. they look the same because they are both tennis sneakers. certain types of sneakers have the same fundamental design elements.

dont take me to be defending the LV sneaker, it looks absolutely uninspired. just disagreeing with your analysis that its a mishmash

[Anonymous No.13463232]

>>13463189
mishmash? except for the color swaps between white, grey, and black they look nearly the same. not seeing converse at all. nor prada. err, what prada sneakers do you see in the LV?

and jordans? sure, in the sense that all basketball shoes resemble one another with a high top and perforated toe. thats doesnt amount to much of a critique though, its like saying vans ripped off keds with the authentic. or common projects achilles ripped off adidas court vantage. they look the same because they are both tennis sneakers. certain types of sneakers have the same fundamental design elements.

dont take me to be defending the LV sneaker, it looks absolutely uninspired. just disagreeing with your analysis that its a mishmash

[Anonymous No.13463270]

>>13462332
there sales in Europe and south America are gonna shrink. The only place they may grow is Asia. There average customer currently doesn't give a fuck about """Virgil""" or """streetware" there middle aged. And white clothing doesn't sell well for obvious clothing. All Virgil fans will continue to buy off white for the most part. Also nice copypasta

[Anonymous No.13463551]

>>13462720
Dude I know of neoliberalism and the liberalist origins of modern Western society - they're not mystical concepts. It is depressing that the citizen or individual is reduced to a consuming unit with an allocated level of "intellectual property" and worth; Virgil and Kanye go on about the virtues of a society that freely shares ideas and IP and yet they themselves appear highly conscious of what is their own, exclusive property. Their postmodern (not in an overly pejorative dumbass Peterson sense) ethos only works for them because they're at the pinnacle, possess the cultural clout and have a loose definition of "art". Why laud them as a metaphorical 'light on the hill' when they're just men who happen to be black men functioning exceptionally well in a corporate, superficial world. LVMH must be licking their lips. Ok diversity and representation are positive (check out Ozwald Boateng), but Abloh's realisation of the dream is a result of schmoozing up to an elite club; it is unattainable for most and simply massages the flaws of a system. His empty intellectual spin says nothing much of worth while his work reflects a trash consumer culture that has been granted undue artistic value.

>Are all white american teenage boys bad because white american teenage boys shoot up kids and schools?
no...

>I think you might like looking into Tom Sach's work. I found answers to your questions in him.
He just seems like another post-80s lucrative art name centred on a self-aware yet unremarkable critique of consumer culture. I've heard the name but honestly never paid much attention, ill have a better look.

[Anonymous No.13463570]

>>13463232

the strap and color scheme

[Anonymous No.13463603]

>>13463570
thats quite a stretch. those are running sneakers first, black white and grey isnt an unusual combination second, and third the strap is in a different place. fourth, lots of high top bball sneakers have a strap. prada def not doing anything unique. you think nike ripped off prada with these af1s?

[Anonymous No.13463624]

>>13463603
He's right and it's not a stretch tho. Prada was the only house using a rubber/plastic coated strap like that. Virgil obviously looked at Prada for this (font placement, material choice, the white outline). That's like saying these Palm Angels sneakers aren't a Prada rip-off just because they also have a strap.

[Anonymous No.13463644]

>>13463624
>only house using a rubber/plastic coated strap like that
the strap on the LV is leather. if you want to get this granular, the text is on LV is on the lower left corner, where the prada is off-center.

>white outline
where? piping is another common design element in fashion. its on tuxedos, polos, jackets, and yes, common on sneakers too. if you mean the grey panel on the toe, that's far more clearly lifted from avia than prada.

>That's like saying these Palm Angels sneakers aren't a Prada rip-off just because they also have a strap.
so all strapped sneakers are a rip off of prada? wtf are you on about. do you or do you not agree that a strap is a common design element in high top basketball sneakers?

[Anonymous No.13463649]

dude is fucking garbage.
Alexander Wang

[Anonymous No.13463666]

Isn't the balmain guy a black dude as well?

[Anonymous No.13463678]

Think you guys are just buttmad at the man. Listen to some insiders and read other reports. They all say he played it pretty safe and this was more about the moment than it was the clothes. Only a couple say his accessories were pretty good. Everyone was sure the collection would sell and be very successful for LV though. Sounds to me like he didn't rock the boat. Maybe in the next one he does crazy shit.

[Anonymous No.13463680]

Better than Kim Jones.
Better than the Supreme Collab.

[Anonymous No.13463797]

>>13463551
> IP per person
I don't see this as depressing; it is simply one way of looking at a society—i would hope decisions are based on much more than just IP per capita analysis

If Virgil / Kanye were trying to say, "only certain people can wear this," that would be depressing. Somewhere Over Rainbow, on aYellow Brick Road, Dreams Really Do Come Truemotif, he is leveraging Louis Vuitton's perception that he has high IP value to show Western society that black people can be the master tailor, the artistic director of a fashion house, that fairy tales come from real life, that black people are individuals, each person as complex as the world they inhabit.

If white people are people, and black people are people, what's in between? The spectrum of "OFF WHITE," everyone, a inclusive dream... beyond color to any polarity where a spectrum describes it well.

>their own, exclusive property.
It is their own exclusive property because they made it.

>loose definition of "art".
Which parts of their loose definition of art do you not like? I want a bit more of a sense of what you mean.

>a metaphorical 'light on the hill' when they're ... black men functioning exceptionally well in a corporate, superficial world.
Anyone who is told "you can't do that," now can dream, "I can lock myself in my room making five beats a day for three summers," or Virgil and say, "I can show the world how to REALLY run a brand."

Virgil's dreams are:
>the things we hear,
>the things we wear,
>the things we make.

Virgil dreams that we are all gods, because we all can run the brands of ourselves.

[Anonymous No.13463929]

>>13463797
Mate do you work for Off-White or what? Like its a good convo and all but you sound like a zealot

Reducing an individual to having high or low 'intellectual property value' is not only dehumanising but stupidly abstractive in that it skips over why that person has gained such a level of cultural currency -- i.e. for Virgil it would be his derivate finger-on-the-pulse designing, political manoeuvring and pseudo-intellectual mystique intimately tailored to our consumer landscape.

Yes LV is being used as a positive legitimating platform (and LVMH is using Virgil and his blackness), but what is the message? Black man triumphs within the white man's world? Triumphs at being a corporate hack? Succeeds in creating ridiculously expensive clothes for tasteless nouveau riche types? Black success is often so interlinked with not only victory over institutions (which I think is fair enough) but also with money; look at that Apeshit video by the Carters. Good on them I guess for making it into the elite... it really helps all the plebeians out

>It is their own exclusive property because they made it.
Virgil and Kanye - in lectures, tweets and samples - express a doctrine where nothing is sacred and everything may be copied or imitated -- a free sharing of ideas that is rife for abuse by those with currency. Virgil's whole ethos is derivative, trend-conscious design.

>Which parts of their loose definition of art do you not like?
Virgil should stop eulogising about his mediocre expensive products being art (i.e. art with integrity) and should stop harping on about blurring boundaries between high art and consumer culture etc. It's been done to death since Warhol and represents a negative movement away from careful or considered, dare I say it, "original" practice that actually says something interesting and shows unique talent.

[Anonymous No.13464341]

>>13463929
The irresistible appeal of Black individuality - where has all of that gone?

The very people who blazed our path to self-expression and pioneered a resolutely distinct and individual voice have too often succumbed to mind-numbing sameness and been seduced by simply repeating what we hear, what somebody else said or thought and not digging deep to learn what we think or what we feel, or what we believe

Now it is true that the genius of African culture is surely its repetition, but the key to such repetition was that new elements were added each go-round. Every round goes higher and higher. Something fresh popped off the page or jumped from a rhythm that had been recycled through the imagination of a writer or a musician. Each new installation bore the imprint of our unquenchable thirst to say something of our own, in our own way, in our own voice as best we could. The trends of the times be damned

Thank God we've still got musicians and thinkers whose obsession with excellence and whose hunger for greatness remind us that we should all be unsatisfied with mimicking the popular, rather than mining the fertile veins of creativity that God placed deep inside each of us

[Anonymous No.13464430]

>>13463797
That's a whole lot of bullshit
Abloh's just a rich dude with the right friends who sells long sleeve tees with stripes printed on them to asians and teenagers.
His designs are anecdotical, he's just slapping prints and logos he did not design on basics (+a few boring "runway" looks). You are either a shill, or a shabbos goy, or a tasteless black/asian consumer, or all three

[Anonymous No.13465620]

>>13458255
kanye is gay, literally
my gfs friend fucked bradley cooper, met kanye, he is gay, bradley even laughed when she was surprised

[Anonymous No.13465637]

>>13463929
real black success is killing cops, and being maoists, dealing drugs, killing snitches and opening kindergartens and public kitchens

real black success is poisoned by the fbi and executed while sleeping with a bullet in the forehead

[Anonymous No.13467060]

>>13463109
Damn what shirt is tha? Looks comfy as hell

[Anonymous No.13467068]

>>13459588
Is this Calvin Klein

[Anonymous No.13467071]

>>13459716
All I want is another hoodie with a trench coat again dat LOUIS HOODIE BRUH

[Anonymous No.13467118]

>>13464341
>the genius of African culture is surely its repetition..new elements.. etc.
>a principle underlying the fundamental process of development and human life is the genius of one culture

I like you man; I like your phrasing, I like your passionate approach... but that one was fucking brutal llooooolllll. You are literally describing the process that every single thing in every single culture went through over time; there was no way in hell that was ever going to work; it's like saying breathing air was the genius of the far-east.