anti-capitalism and fashion general

[Anonymous No.12965571]

fashion isn't inherent capitalistic yet fashion is directly related to resources and our capitalist economic systems monopolizes control over resources.

Shoplifting, second hand purchases (specifically from charities via charity shopes or non-bourgeois sources via ebay etc) and DIY are options.

what are some anti-capitalist /fa/ tactics?

[Anonymous No.12965575]

>>12965571
Dress like a dirty shitter or wear le ironic brand parodies. Have fun, commie, sorry you ended up poor.

[Anonymous No.12965597]

>>12965575
anti-fashion and parody are options which I like the idea of. My trepidation is that you're still letting the capitalist hegemony dictate your fashion.

[Anonymous No.12965625]

>>12965571
support earnest independent artist run brands

its still capitalist obv but they're no corporation, and they're likely trying to make their own way as a reaction against their environment. you cannot escape capitalism under capitalism sadly.

[Anonymous No.12965633]

>>12965571
Second hand obviously

[Anonymous No.12965660]

>>12965571
>our capitalistic economic system monopolizes control over resources
>capitalism is literally the concept of allowing individuals to own and control resources instead of a state owned monopoly

Wew

[Anonymous No.12965664]

>>12965571
milsurp

[Anonymous No.12965670]

>>12965660
Yeah, because it's so much better to have few individuals instead of states controlling them. It's oligarchy either way

[Anonymous No.12965684]

>>12965575
Thats not an ironic brand parody tho

[Anonymous No.12965688]

>>12965597
Have fun at Karmaloop!

[Anonymous No.12965696]

>>12965571
>trying to ethically consume under capitalism

no matter what, something is going to be made with cheap exploited labour or materials outsourced from a poor country. Don't buy in to the "lol the x you're using was made under capitalism" meme.

[Anonymous No.12965700]

>>12965660
I'm fully on board with your suspicion of state control but your definition of capitalism is flawed.

Capitalism didn't come to fruition as a response to state ownership because it emerged prior to the existence of the state and was key in the creation of the state. Therefore it is incorrect to define capitalism in relation to the state, except in the way in which it necessitates the states existence.

secondly your definition is incomplete. Socialism allows individuals to own and control resources, it just insists that resources used in the creation of wealth are owned by the individuals who directly use them (i.e. the cobbler owns their workshop and tools, the miners own the mine and tools, the chefs and servers own the restaurant etc). Capitalism allows not only for the trade of commodities but also the means of producing commodities which has lead to the alienation of the majority of society from economic power and has condenmed them to a life of servitude.

if you make the pointed out corrections to your definition it is valid but it isn't a criticism of what you quoted. Capitalism as an economic system does monopolize control of resources in that under a capitalist economic system all reasources are controlled within alignment with the capitalist conception of property. to point out that under that system property is owned by individuals doesn't undermine that point.

[Anonymous No.12965704]

Shop at Walmart like the lumpen prole you are.

[Anonymous No.12965707]

>>12965704
lol, is that real?

[Anonymous No.12965718]

>>12965707
Yep
https://dmlnews.com/walmart-busted-selling-antifa-clothing-items/

>>12965575
>implying the communists today aren't just LARPing trust fund kids with a guilt complex

[Anonymous No.12965731]

Why do commies shit all over capitalism yet remain as much or even more materialistic than the capitalist?

[Anonymous No.12965736]

>>12965664
I've thought about that in the past but I got the impression that the money reaches the military, not individual soldiers, which is a concern

>>12965688
I dunno what that is but i'll check it out, thx

>>12965696
I totally agree that you can't ethically consume under capitalism but by mitigating consumption and seeking to do so in ways which avoid the most insidious capitalist labour practices has to be better than nothing, right?

And whilst I understand that one man can't really make an impact through 'voting with his wallet' I made this thread in the hope of discussing how one can integegrate anti-capitalism into their fashion through both consumption and expression.

Finally I also think that capitalist consumption is destructive to the consumer (not in the sense that they are also, usually, working class) and so avoiding interaction with capitalism in the way you express yourself or attacking capitalism has to be positive.

[Anonymous No.12965749]

>>12965707
ye, it's not actually produced by walmart tho, and the company that makes it seems to be one of those t-shirt brands that throws everything out there and hopes it sticks. I wouldn't be suprised if none of these shirts were every printed.

[Anonymous No.12965755]

Nothing has done more to reduce global poverty in the world than free markets. Do you want the poor to suffer and starve?

[Anonymous No.12965773]

>>12965736
>reaches the military, not individual soldiers
think of the small businesses who sell it though, they make the most profit. the military just sells off its old rags, and it will be rich no matter what. think of who doesn't get the money, no cheap made in china shit, no deceptive brands involved, everything is made for the ages. it's the logical consequence of second hand shopping and anti-capitalist ethics.

[Anonymous No.12965774]

>>12965755
Industrialization reduced global poverty and also allowed for capitalism to secure itself as the domintant economic system. Free markets have never existed so to give them credit for the fact that technology improves over time seems a tad naive but we're all on our own points on this journey, I doubt you'd credit the soviet system for the improvements in quality of life seen under its reign, I sure wouldn't (infact I'd say, like capitalism, the soviet system inhibited inevitable improvements in quality of like that would have come through technological progression).

[Anonymous No.12965775]

>>12965773
you raise good points, also I really want some magnum boots so maybe now I'll get some guilt free :)

[Anonymous No.12965776]

>>12965755
>implying free markets exist anywhere on earth

[Anonymous No.12965777]

You're WAAAY overthinking this you goddamn commie

I don't have alot of money right now cause I'm a broke student, but i like certain styles
Namely Lunarcore and Milspo

So luckily alot of the pieces I want or need for a fit, are usually pretty cheap or can easily find cheap alternatives for said pieces, places like Military surplus stores, online milsurp stores, thrift stores, and places like eBay and Aliexpress are cheap places to get the pieces I want for my fits, and having a sewing machine let's me make whatever I want and tailor the fit any way I want

Now am I going around consciously thinking about projecting some sort of cringey commie persona or way of thinking with being anti this and that?

No. I just get what I can afford until I can make enough money to get the "premium" or "nicer" pieces, which also gives me a little bit more incentive to GET A BETTER JOB

[Anonymous No.12965778]

>>12965704
HAHAHAHA
Pathetic
You'd never see a European identitarian or Alt Right shirt in any store

[Anonymous No.12965781]

>>12965736
> I got the impression that the money reaches the military, not individual soldiers, which is a concern

wtf what kind of anti-capitalist are you

Anyway both extremes have shit points imo. One side says there is no ethical consumption under capitalism so we should just have shitty consumption habbits. The other side thinks its possible and goes veggie/vegan, buys all natural products, etc.

My issue with these two sides is ethics isn't absolute, its more of a scale. Imo buying American made/UK made/ 1st world made is much more ethical then sweatshop in some shithole made since workers in 1st world countries are much less exploited (receive more of their value created) and are not subject to horrific working conditions.

Otherwise its not something worth obsessing over, the only time I take the "but its made with capitalism" seriously is if I every want to buy leftist apparel/flags/etc since profiting off of leftists figures/symbolism and using sweatshop labour to make them doesn't sit well with me, I much rather buy from a party or organization trying to raise money.

[Anonymous No.12965796]

>>12965777
I'm actually not a communist. There is a diversity of anti-capitalist politic positions including socialism, distributionism and even progressivism in some cases.

Whilst I admire the fact that you've found your style and are expressing yourself without needing to follow the set path your political apathy is concerning, I think you'd benefit from reading some noam chomsky. Liberal democracy benefits from discouraging political participation from the working class and I feel as though you are really being taken of advantage of.

Perhap contemplate why non-participation in the political process and the acceptance of your fate is seen as normal and 'chill'.

>>12965781
I agree it isn't worth obsessing over and thats why I included 'general' in the title. I didn't want this thread to revolve around a single question but rather be a discussion on the way in which anti-capitalist ethics interact with fashion. But once you put it out there it becomes what it becomes I guess.

[Anonymous No.12965800]

>>12965755
wew lad

[Anonymous No.12965855]

>>12965778
post more rare rockwell pls

[Anonymous No.12965865]

>>12965774
>Industrialization
I'm not talking about developing better farm equipment and factories, you boob. You remind me of the most insufferable know-it-all I've ever met, sixteen year old me.

https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim

[Anonymous No.12965891]

>>12965865
from the article you linked
>China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement.

Hence it is clearly not free markets which are the driving force behind a reduction in poverty.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/april-2016/chinas-rapid-rise-from-backward-agrarian-society-to-industrial-powerhouse-in-just-35-years

Clearly chinas massive growth in industrialization whilst retaining severe state controls over industry is what has caused the improvements in quality of life.

[Anonymous No.12965998]

>>12965891
Ah, I now see the error of my ways. Murdering and starving a hundred million people while obliterating a thousand years of history and culture is the price you must pay for moderate economic growth fifty years later.

[Anonymous No.12966003]

>>12965571
I basically wear nothing but cheap black t shirts and black pants now. So I guess that counts. I like fashion but I'm at odds with the whole thing since I don't really like to spend money.

[Anonymous No.12966010]

>>12965796
Only Marxism-Leninism is /fa/.

[Anonymous No.12966012]

>>12965998
Not like the capitalist states are any better in that regard

[Anonymous No.12966014]

>>12966010
Actually scratch that. ML-Maoism has peak communist aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.12966019]

>>12966010

[Anonymous No.12966032]

>>12965575
>watches 3 Sam Hyde videos

[Anonymous No.12967113]

>>12965998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighUebvtIgw

>>12966010
>>12966014
>>12966019
pfft, get real chump

[Anonymous No.12967116]

>>12967113

[Anonymous No.12967119]

>>12965571
>what are some anti-capitalist /fa/ tactics?
buy high quality so it doesn't break and you don't need to replace it
make things yourself
support your local tailors

[Anonymous No.12967127]

>>12967119
this. also buy second hand.

[Anonymous No.12967134]

>>12967127
I have a question about that. Most of the people here thrift for cheap.
How much more ethical is thrifting anyway?
The supply chain is rather unknown to me. For example, I don't know which sorting companies are involved and I don't know what the working conditions are. Thrift (vintage?), being part of the second hand clothes trade, threatens the domestic clothing industry of Africa. Also, I've noticed that thrift stores in my county always stock the same stuff, so I wonder who decides the trends.

[Anonymous No.12967154]

>>12967134
you are thinking this too much. don't buy fucking h&m trifted, but quality stuff.

[Anonymous No.12967189]

>>12967154
I'm not thinking too much.
Where do thrift stores get their clothes from?
Who handles the clothes?
Who decides what's in stock? Who are the tastemakers?

[Anonymous No.12967215]

>>12967119
support your local cobbler.

[Anonymous No.12967225]

>>12965778
why is the filename "icelandic wife" and who is rockwell?

[Anonymous No.12967226]

>>12967189
There are other places where you can buy second hand than trift stores too.

[Anonymous No.12967229]

>>12967225
ok so i'm related to her in the 7th and 10th generation (?) is that how you say it in english? Her Great*5-Grandmother and my great*8-grandfather were siblings, hell yeah

[Anonymous No.12967234]

>>12965571
pro-capitalism and anti-consumerism aren't mutually exclusive. i have no idea why commies go on /fa/ out of all boards lmao

[Anonymous No.12967238]

>>12967215
this

[Anonymous No.12967260]

>>12967226
That is true. The international second hand trade is big. I just want to understand this part of it better.

[Anonymous No.12967271]

> commie resorts to stealing
Like they always do

[Anonymous No.12967603]

>>12967234
fashion has nothing to do with your political view and theoretically doesnt have anything to do with your financial status

[Anonymous No.12967608]

>>12965571
>fashion isn't inherent capitalistic
kek

[Anonymous No.12967622]

>>12967603
>fashion has nothing to do with your political view and theoretically doesnt have anything to do with your financial status

Theoretically, sure. In reality, it's only natural.

[Anonymous No.12967631]

>>12965571
Communism is rooted solely in collective self interest and had no moral basis, you fucking virtue signaling liberal. Elitist vegan gluten free clothing won't bring about any meaningful change in society.

[Anonymous No.12967641]

>>12967622
This thread is important because you can still hav a fashion sense if you dont have that big of a budget
For me, i am not poor but i dont see a reason for myself to spend more than 150 bucks on clothing what seems to be casual for some posters here
Just because you dont have a lot doesnt mean you have to look like shit but this board seems to be frequented by very wealthy anons who tend to shit on poor people that cant affort item [X] for [XXX]$
Sad!

[Anonymous No.12967660]

>>12967631
The entire basis of every form of government is self-interest..

[Anonymous No.12967671]

>>12965597
>anti-fashion

that doesn't mean what you think it means

[Anonymous No.12967683]

>>12967641
I know man I went on a thrift haul myself yesterday, I'm really greatful for them. It's a great place to get rid of your shopping bug. I totally agree with you.

[Anonymous No.12967690]

>>12967683
i like to buy stuff from Springfield on Amazon, they have good stuff for low prices because i cant really thriftdrift in my area

[Anonymous No.12967702]

>>12965731
Repeat after me:
There. Is. No. Ethical. Consumption. Under. Capitalism

[Anonymous No.12967705]

>>12967225
George Rockwell, alpha chad assassinated because of his political success
>>12967229
That's fucking awesome man!

[Anonymous No.12967710]

>>12965781
>ethics isn't absolute
That's a very broad statement. Don't let it fool you.

[Anonymous No.12967728]

is there a way to be pro-capitalist and anti-corporation? obviously supporting "earnest independent artist-run brands" like >>12965625 said, but other than that? it seems like there's nothing else these days that isn't run by (((whatever they are))) on wall street or in some dystopian supercompound in california.

[Anonymous No.12967747]

>>12967728
Second hand for designers
Thift, chink shit, local factory made, DIY
Avoid retail like adidas

[Anonymous No.12967750]

>>12967728
don't support "artists", support small businesses that do most of the work themselves, don't outsource to other countries, deliver quality and work environmentally friendly. if an artist fits that category, if not don't.

[Anonymous No.12967770]

>>12967631
Autism suffers typically have a defecit in what is known as 'theory of mind'. This means that the cannot recognize that the way they percieve the world and the way others percieve the world could be different.

Children typically lack empathy and must develop improved social and emotional sophistication before empathy starts to influence there behaviour.

If you think that seeking to alleviate the suffering of others can only ever be 'virtue signalling' then it strikes me as almost certain that you have autism and the emotional and social sophistication of a toddler.

Your second point, however, is totally valid and it is something I have addressed in previous responses.

>>12967671
i think whats far more likely is that what you think I mean when I say anti-fashion isn't actually what I mean when I say anti-fashion. I find its often better to give people the benefit of the doubt because we all misunderstand people sometimes and it just makes social interactions easier.

>>12967728
I recommend you do some research on market socialism. whilst the liberal propaganda machine has sought (and often been succesful) to convince people that socialism means the government owns everything that isn't the case.

[Anonymous No.12967836]

>>12967770
define anti fashion

[Anonymous No.12967854]

>anti capitalist
Walk around naked then you insufferable faggot.