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I am a guy (male) that plans to go as an art hoe (female) for halloween, is anyone going to even get the joke?

t. lives in a suburb of portland OR

>> No.12857945

>>12857941
I think most young people would get it after you told them, but if I would just assume you were crossdressing at first

this is apretty good idea might steal it

>> No.12857952

>>12857941
why in the US it's considered insensitive to dress up as blacks and mexicans but it's not considered insensitive to dress up as women?
Is it because the stereotypes around what a woman "should" look like (long hair, makeup, wide hips) are broader and more accepted than the stereotypes around what blacks "should" look like (fat lips, flat large nose, curly hair)

>> No.12857967

>>12857952
Because getting angry at transvestitism is LITERARILY homophobia and transphobia.

>> No.12857972

>>12857945
>this is apretty good idea might steal it

Thanks, I also have my gf dressing up as a numale. the running joke is gonna be that if someone asks if we're a couple, she is gonna say yes and I will quickly cut her off and specify that we're an open relationship and start hitting on whoever asked the question

which may or may not be too ironic for the crowd around here

>> No.12857993

>>12857967
Getting angry at dressing as another race is transracialism. Fucking bigots in 2017 baka

>> No.12858001

>>12857972
That s awesome pls do it.

>> No.12858005

>>12857972
Why are you making fun of open relationships? Just shows your own maturity and lack of understanding imho. Its petty.

>> No.12858019

>>12858005
Do you even know what comedy is for?

>> No.12858023

>>12858005
t. in an """open relationship"""

>> No.12858033
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>>12858005
It's just a joke bud.

post art hoe inspo

>> No.12858039

>>12857941
>>12857945
>>12857952
>>12857972
this is autism

>> No.12858041

>>12857967
Wearing off-gender clothing is just drag.

>> No.12858052

>>12857952
Drag is all about pointing out the absurdity of essentializing gender down to clothing choices; at least, this has been an understood facet of drag since the 80s. Now, maybe a similar argument could be made for dressing up as a racial minority, but I haven't seen anyone make such an argument, and thinking about it, I'm not sure how convincing that argument could be.

>> No.12858055

>>12858005
>Why are you making fun of open relationships?
Considering most open or poly relationships develop because the female is looking for the door...

>> No.12858073

>>12858005
open relationships are one thing, "open" relationships where it's obvious the male just got pussywhipped into it by the girl, who will fuck 50x more people than he are pretty pathetic though

>> No.12858074

>>12858005
Top lel
Gr8 b8 m8

>> No.12858086

that is very /fa/ of you............ gay that is

>> No.12858101

>>12858073
That disparity will almost always occur.

>> No.12858109

>>12857941
i think you'll look dumb and people won't get it (anon is being trans a costume?). i think it's kind of funny, but won't translate well.

but if you insist post your fit so we can help you

>> No.12858128

>>12857941
>>12857972
This is horrible

t. Chad

>> No.12858137

>>12858052
This. The difference is that as a white man, white female fashion is part of your white culture, while black male fashion is culturally separate. Dressing up as and making fun of a part of your culture is acceptable, dressing up as and making fun of someone else's culture is not acceptable.

>> No.12858176

>>12858137
Well, this certainly may be a part of it. However, while the first drag queens were largely white and were appropriating the hypersexualized imagery of Vegas showgirls, drag and ball culture spread to non-white groups who started wearing whatever they wanted as a way to say they weren't those things largely because they put on the trappings in a ball or drag setting and not on the street. Of course, once trans individuals started performing drag, they made the jump to normalizing the costume.

I think the difference might be that no one is trying to normalize racial stereotypes except racist and unknowing people. It's not about the performer's empowerment.

I think the other issue is that race is often a bit more than normalized performance. So is sex, don't misunderstand me, but a lot of what makes our genders legible is, and that's what drag tries to point out.

>> No.12858177

>>12857941
>t. lives in a suburb of portland OR

Is this even a costume then?

>> No.12858180

Why is /fa/ so on about art hoes lately

it makes me quek actually

>> No.12858197

>>12858137
why are the divisions between white and black considered more momentous than the divisions between male and female
biologically, I'm pretty sure the latter is the more significant of the two
and if you can make fun of white women because you too are white (even though you are not a woman), why not make fun of black american men because you too are an american man (even though you are not a black one)
>>12858052
drag is reducing femininity to a series of stereotypes. blackface is reducing african heritage to a series of stereotypes.
I'm aware that one has a more fraught history than the other, I just don't understand why that is

>> No.12858205

>>12858177
If you're living between the 308, 205, Powell Blvd, and Vista Ave, then sure, it's not really a costume. Outside of that area though, you may as well be living in Kansas. The people change dramatically.

>> No.12858209

>>12858180
I'm still trying to figure out what /fa/ considers an art ho.

>> No.12858213

>>12858197
>drag is reducing femininity to a series of stereotypes.
Maybe on Ru Paul's drag thing, but men can drag as women, women can drag as men, men can drag as a different king (more masculine, usually) kind of man, etc. Drag isn't just about men dressing up as a female stereotype (even if that's how it started).

>> No.12858215

>>12858176
Good points.

I think the question at the heart of the issue is whether you're dressing in a transgressive way to do something positive (criticize a social structure that you have issues with, express yourself in a way that makes you happy, poking fun at an absurdity that you perceive within your culture) or something negative (caricaturizing another culture).

>>12858197
It's about culture, not genetics. White men influence white female culture and fashion implicitly and vice versa. Obviously there is music, clothing, etc. that is considered masculine or feminine, but that is always within the context of how a single culture distinguishes between men and women. A certain cultural phenomenon could be masculine in one culture, feminine in another, and gender neutral in a third. But the masculine and feminine elements of one culture are fundamentally inseparable because they are defined in opposition to each other. It is impossible to participate in white male culture without implicit participation in white female culture.

>> No.12858223

>>12858215
>dressing in a transgressive way
I think you got to what I was failing to think through here. Drag is transgressive because it fucks with the dominant culture. It's transgression is what makes it acceptable to people trying to push against the dominant culture. Conversely, a costume of a racial stereotype isn't transgressive because racial stereotypes are still part of the dominant culture. I think the phrase "punching down" might apply here.

Now, what this would mean is that you could totally get called out for certain types of drag performances; and you could conceivably make a strong case for using certain racial stereotypes while in drag (a black man wearing blackface, for instance).

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>>12857941
What is her name nad insta, anon?

>> No.12858242

>>12857952
Nah it's probably because a fashion genre is a fashion genre and a caricature used for and symbolizing mass enslavement, subjugation, opression, torture, terrorism, and murder is, well

>> No.12858248

>>12858215
>But the masculine and feminine elements of one culture are fundamentally inseparable because they are defined in opposition to each other. It is impossible to participate in white male culture without implicit participation in white female culture.
this is an interesting observation but it's still not clear to me why drag is acceptable but blackface is not.
you brought up rupaul. he uses a grotesque exaggeration of what is perceived as femininity as a costume.
Rupaul basically does the drag equivalent of blackface. Why isn't this considered offensive?
I guess you could say that blackface is tainted because of the minstrel shows but that wouldn't explain why dressing up as a mexican complete with penacho and sarape would be taboo.
Is it because genders don't have their own particular culture in the same way that ethnicities and nationalities do?
If that's all it boils down to, it just seems like ethnic protectionism.
>you can't wear dreads without my permission. I have this power over your agency.
I dressed up as a geisha last year. Some people got angry and tried to get a facebook mob on me but I'm independently wealthy so it's hard to hurt me using opprobrium of people I dislike anyway

>> No.12858249

>>12858033
where can I get those socks?

>> No.12858252

>>12858228
just a result from searching "art hoe" on google images, unfortunately I couldn't find any info

>> No.12858262

>>12858248
You're conflating two different anons. I believe an answer to why drag is more acceptable today than blackface is here >>12858223

>> No.12858265

>>12858137
BUT

Race is just a construct and doesn't really exist :^)

>> No.12858275

>>12858265
BUT race is constructed around very real cultural differences and power dynamics

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>>12858005

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>>12858005
b8 or off urself m8

>> No.12858290

>>12858137
Fashion is more relative to geological location than race dynamics.

Look at the U.S and the UK at how distinct their styles are... now look at Nigeria and Egypt

>> No.12858297

>>12858275
And physical differences. Never mind skin color. We'd look to something else (and have). But yes, Race is a constructed category that includes physical, cultural, and historical realities, and the power of these constructed categories is extant.

>> No.12858299

>>12858290
Well, dressing up as a member of a foreign country would also be considered offensive or unacceptable. You didn't really address my actual point.

>> No.12858311

>>12858248
blackface was derogatory from the beginning, drag was the opposite.

as for why something like dressing like a mexican is unacceptable, there's not really a logical explanation. society is not some logical machine, double standards exist at all points in time even if what's acceptable changes. we just happen to live in the era of "political correctness" where its acceptable to stereotype majority groups but not minorities or the opressed.

I think you should stop searching for a reason because you won't find one, dress up as speedy gonzales for halloween lmao what do I care

>> No.12858313

>>12858311
>dress up as speedy gonzales for halloween lmao what do I care
and to clarify I say this as a mexican

it really doesn't bother me.
only white people, specifically white women seem to get upset about this petty shit (there I am stereotyping)

>> No.12858335

>>12858299
I wasn't criticizing your argument mongoloid. I was criticizing the fact that you related fashion with race when is more relative to geological cultural diaspora.

And no... it wouldn't be considered offensive if it was under the guise of satire. how well you do it is completely relative to perceptive qualities of the individual

>> No.12858338

>>12858005
c
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>> No.12858345

>>12857941
sounds fucking stupid

>> No.12858371

>>12857941
gawdt dam I wanta put that whole bouby in my mout

>> No.12858409

>>12857972
fuck thats good

>> No.12858667

>>12858209
There's an old thread somewhere with people describing it pretty recently. I could try and find it. Now that it's been described people are just going off on it.

>> No.12859016

>>12858249
I think I've seen them at the bay (Canada)

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12859056

>>12858228

https://www.instagram.com/hanestly/

standpoor.tumblr.com

>> No.12859066

>>12858005
that shit is for cucks

>> No.12859082

>>12857941
>>12857972
gayest shit i ever read family

>> No.12859131

>>12859016
also Simons. I think the brand is actually called "Art Socks"

https://sockdrawer.com/collections/fun-art-socks

>> No.12859142

>>12857967
No one cares degenerate, day of the rope soon.

>> No.12859282

>>12857972
lmao that's great
don't listen to this cuck
>>12858005

>> No.12859291

>>12857972
>This is your brain on /pol/

lmao. Please do this. Seriously, it's gonna be just as funny as you think, but for completely different reasons.

>> No.12859297

>>12859291
t. nu-male

>> No.12859302

>>12857972
do some practice on us OP. Explain what a nu male is without linking that pic of the urban dictionary with the bearded guys. Then we'll see how funny it sounds.

>> No.12859317

>>12859297
Also make sure to call people numales and cucks. They'll get the joke and you'll have friends.

>> No.12859320

>>12859317
you sound truly pathetic lol

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>>12857952

>> No.12859354

>>12858137
>skin tone is culture

>> No.12859620

>>12857941
Yo, I'm in Portland too and this is officially my new costume.

>> No.12859635

>>12857941
Careful, you might win woman of the year.

>> No.12859934

>>12857972
very funny personally, I know if i did it around my crowd no one would get it though

>> No.12860062

>>12858249

Aliexpress, here's an example

https://aliexpress.com/store/product/1-pair-autumn-winter-New-Retro-Art-Oil-Painting-women-socks-men-socks-fashion-lovers-cotton/2340305_32712670997.html?spm=a219c.search0104.3.1.HZPbgi&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_10345_10547_10342_10343_10340_10341_10548_10542_10541_10540_10307_10301_10303_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10539_10538_10537_10536_10059_10534_10533_100031_10103_10102_5590020_10109_5640020_10142_10107_10084_10083_5370020_10176_10312_10313_10184_10314_10073,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_3&btsid=1370c84b-2d3d-4b1c-a40d-2c1e9f6caa00&algo_expid=ecc986d2-58f5-45dc-97f9-bb233801fa25-0&algo_pvid=ecc986d2-58f5-45dc-97f9-bb233801fa25

very cheap but not 100% cotton

>> No.12861354

>>12858005
open relationship = maturity

lmao cuck

>> No.12861967

>>12857941
People will think you're using halloween to express your sexuality.

>> No.12861987

>>12857941
Use makeup to make yourself look ironic. If you look ironic, people won’t think you’re just crossdressing.

>draw very big thick brows with a sharpie
>draw very long eyeliner extending to your temples (you can use sharpie but not recommended near eye)
>overdraw your lips with lipstick
>slap some baking powder on your nose to make it look like you’re a coke addict just like those art hoes

>> No.12861997

>>12861987

This is terrible advice

If you're hot and a little muscular, looking a bit crossdress-y is fine. If you go full autismo to try to make it clear it's all """"ironic"""" you'll come off like an insecure wanker.

>> No.12862016

>>12858005
C U C K F A G G O T

>> No.12862018

>>12858242
solid b8
made me answer

>> No.12862117

genuinely one of the most retarded ideas (you) have ever had

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12862138

>>12857941
>I am a guy (male)
t-thanks for the clarification, wouldn't want to think that you were a female guy

>> No.12862617

>>12862138
check you're pronouns shitlord

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12862685

>>12859056
Strandpoor. So she's in New York... hmmmmm

>> No.12862690

>>12862138
Rekt

>> No.12862694

>>12857941
I dunno, but Millennials were clearly a mistake. Second worst generation in human history behind Boomers.

>> No.12862701

>>12857972
I'd laugh.

>> No.12862708

>>12858005
That's the joke you dense fucker.
It wouldn't be funny if the matter at hand wasn't so serious nowadays.
Making fun of something that is regarded as funny already doesn't have the same punch.
Ie. Making fun of Hillary is fun because how serious she was about being prez / making fun of trump is basic and not so funny as the man himself is an entertainer of sorts.

>> No.12862737

>>12859291
t. nu-male

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12863047

>>12862708
>tfw the ACLU literally beheads me after I share my uncle's funny meme from Breitbart on Facebook about Hillary Clinton but comedians can literally rape Trump on tv and B. Hussein Obama gives them medals of honor even though he's no longer in office but that's how bad things are for me ;((

>> No.12863227

>>12859635
under8ed post

>> No.12863233

>>12862685
>standpoor.tumblr.com
no bro its a reference to arrested development...

standpoor is a joke on sitwell, the name of another characters last company

>> No.12864645

>>12859056
toes are not nice tho

>> No.12864792

>>12857941
>I'm a guy
>(male)
Thanks for the exaplation

>> No.12864801

>>12857941
Idk I think most people would just take you for a gay dude enjoying the one day out of the year that he can openly drag

And as for the gf being your proof of not being gay, many a gay man in the closet have led lies for lives

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>> No.12864808

>>12864801
Oh and I live in a highly gay populated city

>> No.12865902

>>12857941
late to the thread but would the suburb be lake oswego by any chance?

>> No.12865907

>>12857941
Sad that people think this style looks good. She looks dirty and sloppy. Wouldn't be surprised if she was a druggy

>> No.12866091

>>12857941
What kind of underwear do art hoes and meme thots usually wear? Cause you're going to have to pick some up as wel OP.

>> No.12866565

>>12857941
This guy has it right: >>12861967 They'll think you're a closet tranny living out his fucked up "passing" fantasies, this is a recognized behavior among people under 40 and supremely cringey.

>> No.12866577

>>12858101
Which is why you're a whipped little bitch if you agree to it.

Unironically the only kind of """open""" relationship a man can agree to with dignity is poly man/monogamous women.

>> No.12866583

These hoes ain’t loyal

>> No.12866585

>>12858223
>it's acceptable to transgress against the dominant culture
We should never have retired the use of the noose desu

>> No.12866596

>>12866091
thongs or tbacks

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>>12859056
>>12862685
>>12864645

>> No.12866684

>>12857972
this is good in theory but truly, this is just a 4chan joke, no one will get it.

>> No.12866812

>>12859056
where can I find hd pictures of her asshole, pussy, armpits and feet?

>> No.12867794

>>12857941
I'd fuck you, OP

>> No.12867845

>>12866601
oh god fucked chicks like this and when they take the "art hoe" clothes off to reveal that awful, disappointing body

>> No.12867915

>>12867845
>awful, disappointing body
wtf are you talking about nigger, those are some perfect legs and ass

agree that most art hoes have ugly body tho (usually flabby and dont shave)

>> No.12867923

>>12857972
you guys sound like the cutest couple of autists

>> No.12868198

>>12857941
>nipple piercings visible though shirt
hnnnnnng