/fa/ - Fashion

[Anonymous No.12545245]

w2c traditional goth gf?

[Anonymous No.12545253]

>>12545245

Siouxsie & the Bashees concert?

[Anonymous No.12545291]

>>12545253

i wish they were still around

but honestly traditional goth is pretty dead currently, seems like there's more punks, psychobillys, tattoo-emos & rap ""goths"" like GBC

or the tinder "emo" girls who unironically listen to 'avenged sevenfold' etc

i can only name like 5 good current post-punk or goth rock bands so it kind of makes sense

i totally relate to this sentiment

what band gigs are the best place to meet girls who aren't just daddy issue clusterfucks because that seems to be the type i attract and it is not a positive experience

[Anonymous No.12545298]

I've been dressing in a post-punk/early goth influenced style for years, and I haven't come across a single trad goth girl to cop yet.

[Anonymous No.12545300]

>>12545298
post fit desu

[Anonymous No.12545303]

>>12545253
this image has always been the definition of "goth" to me. It's like a little bible. Theres a few goth dance nights and groups here in LA but youll find most goths already have a significant other.

[Anonymous No.12545305]

>>12545291

>daddy issue clusterfucks

Good luck, they all tend to be like that unfortunately. Sad that post-punk is a dying thing. I remember going to a Peter Murphy show with my first proper girlfriend (total goth). I think he was promoting his Dust album if - must've been like 2003. She had issues too, just as you mentioned. I remember waking up to her cutting her arm with one of my shaving razors.

[Anonymous No.12545326]

>>12545245
Try goth nights at your local bar or FetLife. A shit ton hangout on there.

>Also seeking help myself
I'm a broader built guy. Not fat but bearmode with broad shoulders at 6'1.
I'm looking to upgrade my goth wardrobe but have no idea what to buy since I mainly just wear black dress shirts/tees/pants etc. What would be some good items to get given my build?

[Anonymous No.12545334]

>>12545326
some bright jewelry should be nice

[Anonymous No.12545383]

>>12545305
cutting is just a way to release endorphin when you don't feel like masturbating, it's no big deal

[Anonymous No.12545384]

>>12545326
defo some black milsurp

[Anonymous No.12545394]

seconding the goth night thing. I have multiple around me, and I live in the middle of nowhere, so I'm sure there's one near you

[Anonymous No.12545395]

>>12545394
im curious, where at?

[Anonymous No.12545411]

So they dress like that because they are sad about not having boobs?

[Anonymous No.12545413]

>>12545334
A few people said red and gold look pretty good on me.

[Anonymous No.12545531]

>>12545411
No, they dress like that because it's fun
Trad goths don't really have a clear ethos beyond their fascination for dark romanticism.

It's more about glamorizing/dispaying macabre themes than about embodying them on a personal level. At most there's the general idea that doing hard drugs is a cool way to be self-destructive, but it's not an ethical obligation and it's not specifically goth.

[ري هقوص R Y · H V Q V S !KNDY.F27NY No.12545595]

HEALTHGOTH IS BEST GOTH.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08cZFkmj2UA

[Anonymous No.12545605]

>>12545595
Fuck, these guys are from my city

[Anonymous No.12545607]

>>12545595
black and white =/= goth

[ري هقوص R Y · H V Q V S !KNDY.F27NY No.12545608]

>>12545607

AND?

[Anonymous No.12545609]

>>12545595
>sportswear
>house beats
more like niggoth

[Anonymous No.12545613]

>>12545608
and these wiggers aren't goth. They look like they're about to attend a hardtek festival in the winter.

[ري هقوص R Y · H V Q V S !KNDY.F27NY No.12545615]

>>12545613
>>12545609

GO AWAY, IDIOTS.

[Anonymous No.12545620]

>>12545615
> posts a bunch of chavs
> calls them goths
> gets mad when people point out that they're chavs

[ري هقوص R Y · H V Q V S !KNDY.F27NY No.12545625]

>>12545620

"MAD"? NO, YOU ARE JUST AN IGNORANT IDIOT WHO SHOULD GO AWAY.

[Anonymous No.12545626]

>>12545625
Speaking of "ignorant", even Michae Jackson looked more goth than those hippity-hop ghetto wesh wesh wannabe gangsta kids.

[Anonymous No.12545628]

Only eighties goth is real goth.
Mall-goth, emo, Marilyn Manson-core, health goth, nu-goth, street goth and stuff like that is not goth.

[Anonymous No.12545632]

>>12545628
true

[ري هقوص R Y · H V Q V S !KNDY.F27NY No.12545655]

>>12545628

GOTHNESS CONSISTS IN A REBELLIOUS WORLDVIEW AGAINST THE TRADITIONAL WORLD VIA SATURNINE BEHAVIOUR, SO, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IS IT THAT ADOPTING A CONFORMIST AND FUNDAMENTALIST ATTITUDE, LIKE YOURS, IS GOTH?

A GOTH IS DEFINED BY HIS/HER ETHOS, AND PERSONAL STYLE, NOT BY ADHERENCE TO NORMS, AND FORMS.

WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS MERELY TRANSPORTING YOUR OWN EXTREME CONFORMISM TO A STYLE THAT IS INHERENTLY INCONFORMIST, WHICH CONSTITUTES AN ABSURDITY; YOU ARE NOT GOTH, AND CERTAINLY DO NOT COMPREHEND WHAT GOTHNESS IS.

[Anonymous No.12545722]

>>12545655
Seems to me that you're confusing goth and hipster, little man.

goth is macabre romanticism, not just rebelliousness

Even if you were correct, those kids aren't rebellious in the least: they dress like they're gonna go jogging.

how is a jogger "expressing his rebellious worldview"? How does jogging count as "saturnine behavior"? How does "health" count as "saturnine"?
Also they all look like each other. They're trend-hoppers, not rebels.

[Anonymous No.12545725]

>>12545655
>A GOTH IS DEFINED BY HIS/HER ETHOS
No he's not.

He's defined by Robert Smith's hairstyle.

[Anonymous No.12545894]

>>12545245
>take photo of random normal 80s girl
>desaturate in photoshop
>now its goth
I dig the OP image

[Anonymous No.12545916]

>>12545245
they're out of production due to lack of interest.

[Anonymous No.12546060]

>>12545303
>in LA

Any recommendations? Haven't went to any here

>>12545722
>goth is macabre romanticism, not just rebelliousness

good description. also annoys me when people expect goth to be somber and depressed but like i'm pretty happy and generally not depressive and it doesn't mean i'm not a real goth or w/e hahaha

[Anonymous No.12546073]

>>12545916
Can I build one from scratch?

[Anonymous No.12546095]

>>12546060
bordners blue mondays

[Anonymous No.12546170]

>>12546060
I got you dude. look up some of these groups on facebook, that's how I make my events: Perversion, Helter Skelter, Blue mondays, release the bats, batcave hollywood, coven 13

[Anonymous No.12546183]

>>12545894
is this goth?

[Anonymous No.12546384]

>>12546183
no

[Anonymous No.12546504]

>>12546170

side note, i'm 19 and asexual

maybe i'll get a fake ID but not sure clubs are the best situation

either way appreciate the recommendations i'll drop by them when i can thanks!

[Anonymous No.12546520]

>>12546504

Sometimes they let under 21 in - you just can't drink. Otherwise a fake is a good option.

[Anonymous No.12546523]

>>12546504
some events are 18+

[Anonymous No.12546537]

>>12546520
>>12546523

Didn't know, I'll keep my eyes peeled, thanks

[Anonymous No.12546578]

Who else here /driving dead/?
>Pic related, it's my baby.

[Anonymous No.12546580]

>>12546578
how does one get this job?

[Anonymous No.12546600]

>>12546580
I'm not an undertaker, I just bought a hearse from a funeral home that was going bankrupt. They're incredibly cheap since nobody really wants to drive something that dead people were carried around in.

[Anonymous No.12546658]

>>12546600

with low mileage, generally, as well... although the old american V8s don't exactly sip fuel. i'd still love one

i've got an old black mercedes (w201) which is fairly appropriate

[Anonymous No.12546665]

>>12546060
Um, you're actually agreeing with the tripfag.
Learn to read, my fella.
The other guy is the one saying that if you don't dress and act a certain specific way, basically dressing and acting like a caricature, you're not goth.

[Anonymous No.12546685]

>>12545595
hows 2014 my man

[Anonymous No.12546689]

>>12546665
>6665
so close

i think the tripfag is the one saying goth is a 'rebellious worldview'

whereas he is just saying

>goth is macabre romanticism, not just rebelliousness

and i'm saying is you don't have to have the angst of a 14 year old girl who just discovered nirvana in order to be a goth

I think you may have missed "Even if you were correct" as the statements which follow that are conditional upon them being correct, which the poster asserts they are not.

[Anonymous No.12546696]

>>12546689
The other guy os merely refute his own assumption about the tripfag... basically saying "no" to what he himself declared.

You're contradicting yourself. You claim that to be goth it isn't necessary to act like a caricature (to be all angsty all the time), but then you agree with the conformist guy.

I don't think you know what rebelliousness is...

[Anonymous No.12546706]

>>12545245
I know a few but they're all in their 40s and 50s.

Going by personal experience, most of the goth chicks mid 20s through 30s seem like they either got in on the vampire thing that was big in the '90s through '00s, did fetish, or went cyber instead, though I did know a German girl with a proper deathhawk. Younger and it's mostly hipsters pretending to be goths.

[Anonymous No.12546728]

>>12546696

My understanding of the argument

>Tripfag : Goth is rebelliousness, and health goth is real goth because it is rebellious
>Other Individual's Response : Goth is not just rebelliousness, rather macabre romanticism, but if it was, health goth is not very rebellious

Maybe it's "conformist" to limit what is or is not goth, but I was agreeing only with the statement that goth can be interpreted as a fascination of macabre works.

[Anonymous No.12546730]

posting the og goth waifu

[Anonymous No.12546738]

>>12546728
It's mostly to do with the music, mate.

[Anonymous No.12546742]

>>12546738

Yeah, it originated entirely from post-punk/goth rock, and it's that 'dark macabre' image if you will that's associated to it in film, fashion, and other assorted arts.

[Anonymous No.12546746]

>been into trad goth music, subculture, and fashion for 14 years
>never had any kind of goth girlfriend despite living in a big city and hanging around record shops

Just kill me already.

[Anonymous No.12546759]

>>12546742
I mean, you're overthinking things. At the end of the day, goth is about listening to mopey music, getting piss drunk on snakebite and black at the pub and wearing lots of black in ways you and your small likeminded group of people think is cool. The difference between actual goths and pseudo goths always comes down to choice in music.

[Anonymous No.12546764]

>>12546759
>listening to mopey music

Goth music isn't always mopey.

[Anonymous No.12546767]

>>12546759

or just trying to avoid sounding elitist, that definition is the most broad i could think of

choice in music is a determinant factor in a person being real regardless of subculture - what would you say are your favourite "goth" bands?

[Anonymous No.12546768]

>>12546764
It's called being facetious.

[Anonymous No.12546777]

>>12546767
Not a goth actually. I'm way more into industrial and some of the faggier club offshoots of that, though I could definitely listen to the Sisters all day.

[Anonymous No.12546783]

>>12546777

i quite like power electronics and ebm

still always open to recs

[Anonymous No.12546790]

its called glam rock you underage and it belongs in the trash

[Anonymous No.12546795]

>>12546578

Harold?

[Anonymous No.12546796]

>>12546790
glam rock and goth had comparable aesthetics

[Anonymous No.12546810]

>>12546796

The biggest similarities is that Bowie profoundly influenced both of them. And aesthetically some might have been similar, but that's way too much of a blanket statement. Bauhaus did not look like the New York Dolls.

[Anonymous No.12546833]

>>12546685

Healthgoth isn't a fad, chief.

[Anonymous No.12546851]

>>12546783
That's a pretty wide net. What kind of recs are you after, Nitzer Ebb style oldschool EBM, or Front 242? Power noise like Soman or Noisex? Synthpop? Trance-y shite like everyone was doing when VNV's Futureperfect came out? Also, what level of entry.

[Anonymous No.12546852]

>>12546796

Glam rock directly influenced goth rock. Bowie was the biggest influence for all of the original goth bands.

[Anonymous No.12546860]

>>12546852
Bauhaus covered Bowie.

New Romantics were also a huge influence. Compare the hair styles.

[Anonymous No.12546861]

>>12546851
EBM, fan of Jager 90 and Frontal

Power noise, Ramleh, Genocide Organ

level of entry just whatever's weird and new to me

[Anonymous No.12546872]

>>12546860

I really liked the New Romantic period in music. There were some really fun bands - it's a shame it only lasted a few years.

[Anonymous No.12546909]

I know this is more an /mu/ question but what's the basics to listen to for goth music. It's weird trying to get into the music when I usually listen to stuff like Aesop Rock and DOOM

[Anonymous No.12546918]

>>12545326
dyed black flecktarn parka, maybe some rick pieces

[Anonymous No.12546922]

>>12546504
emo night at the echoplex in LA. never been but heard good things
>inb4 goth not emo

[Anonymous No.12546928]

>>12546922

Emo isn't goth, though, so this suggestion is completely off-topic.

[Anonymous No.12546943]

>>12545326

dark colors are a safe bet. Take a look at Alexander McQueen's collection from the fall of 2016 for some ideas: http://www.vogue.com/fashion-shows/fall-2016-menswear/alexander-mcqueen/slideshow/collection#23

I really associate the look with more of a facial aesthetic. Pale skin, angular features, and sunken in eyes with dark circles from cigarettes and insomnia

[Anonymous No.12546947]

>>12546909
essentials
>bauhaus
>siouxsie and the banshees
>christian death
>the cure
>the damned
>sisters of mercy

post-punk:
>joy division/warsaw/new order
>gang of four
>young marble giants

influences:
>bowie
>iggy pop
>velvet underground

personal recommendations:
>essential logic
>red lorry yellow lorry
>swans of avon
>red temple spirits
>preoccupations
>the sound
>henrys dress

probably missed a lot but it's a start

[Anonymous No.12546951]

>>12546909

Start with some of the U.K. classics like Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, U.K. Decay, Joy Division, etc, and then listen to some of the early U.S. deathrock stuff like Christian Death (with Rozz Williams; avoid post-Rozz Christian Death) and 45 Grave if you want.

[Anonymous No.12546953]

>>12546951

Also, don't listen to other people, Sisters of Mercy sucks and wasn't even popular within the goth scene at the time.

[Anonymous No.12546960]

>>12546953
>don't listen to other people
well that's boring and narrow minded
>Sisters of Mercy sucks and wasn't even popular within the goth scene at the time
well they play it everywhere now. Super fun dance music

[Anonymous No.12546966]

>>12546947

great list, desu

I'd add Echo & the Bunnymen (earlier work), The Chamelons UK, and Peter Murphy's solo stuff. Some of the Dead Can Dance's music had some real gothy undertones too

[Anonymous No.12546982]

>>12546861
Just throwing some random stuff out there since I tend to skew more melodic than muscles and hate: Pouppee Fabrikk, Calva y Nada, Paranoid, Insekt, old Leaether Strip, Plastic Noise Experience. Klinik, definitely. Maybe old X Marks the Pedwalk. Angstfabrikk is newish but does oldschool EBM.

[Anonymous No.12546987]

>>12546953
How dare you. It's fun and comforting cheese. You know the DJ's gone for a piss when the extended This Corrosion comes on.

[Anonymous No.12546988]

>>12546960
>well they play it everywhere now. Super fun dance music

Doesn't change what I said.

[Anonymous No.12546996]

>>12546988
people clearly enjoy it, so I don't think it's fair to say they suck. That's just an opinion

[Anonymous No.12547060]

>>12546730
Death is cute cute cute

[Anonymous No.12547068]

>>12546996

People can enjoy them, that's fine, but they should avoid putting them on lists of goth "essentials." Lists of essential bands should stick to classic staples of the genre.

[Anonymous No.12547071]

>>12547068
You're going to complain about Sisters of Mercy being on there but not the Cure?

[Anonymous No.12547074]

>>12547068
>>12546988
>>12546953
Sisters of Mercy are essential. They were very influential, they're a good band that makes good music, and they have a lot of personality. The fact that some early goths weren't into them is pretty much irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.12547675]

>>12545303
>LA
Well there's two Nick Cave concerts next week, you could try to find one there.

[Anonymous No.12548564]

[Anonymous No.12548571]

>>12548564
>massive New Rocks combat boots
>flat hair
not traditional

[Anonymous No.12548605]

>>12548564
where does one get a raven?

[Anonymous No.12548631]

>>12545245

[Anonymous No.12548637]

>>12548564
crowe

[Anonymous No.12548640]

>>12545245
Imma scruffle her hair

[Anonymous No.12549067]

>>12545655
has this tripfag ever made a good post?

[Anonymous No.12549126]

>>12546947
This is a really weird chart. Including nothing except the s/t debut from Killing Joke would maybe make sense if you wanted to limit the list to the goth-y side of post-punk, but then there's stuff like Talking Heads, which is obviously awesome, but clearly on the far opposite end of the new wave spectrum.

Good goth essentials though, friend. I would add This Mortal Coil. Also Killing Joke's Night Time and Revelations for post-punk. And Coil, which is hard to place in a genre but always deserves a mention.

[Anonymous No.12549344]

>>12549067
Yeah, he's one of fah's best posters.

[Anonymous No.12549423]

>>12549344
you people will latch onto anybody who displays the slightest boldness of character

the guy's a basic dickhead

[Anonymous No.12549426]

>>12549423
Anyone but collectivistic mentally ill persons like strong personalities, but that's not just what makes him a good poster.

[Anonymous No.12549683]

>>12549126
At least FoM is the darkest Talking Heads album

[Anonymous No.12549693]

w2c similar shirts?

[Anonymous No.12549698]

I think the goth style to a daily life iis a little cringy, at least these days. I also enjoy post punk, batcave and all the close genres, but honestly, I want to stay away from the goth public in my city. They are analogous to the furry groups, but with more black and make up.

I enjoy dressing in minimalist clothing, tho', black 95% of the time. Maybe it is a good way out, maybe not.

[Anonymous No.12549700]

>>12549698
>cringy

baby make big cringies in the potty! cringies smelly!

[Anonymous No.12549702]

>>12549700
Kek english is not my first language, I thought "cringy" could be a word.

[Anonymous No.12549705]

>>12549702
it's a made-up memeword that only underage youtube-watching faggots use

[Anonymous No.12549805]

>>12549700
>>12549705

There is no lower form of life than a fucking 4chan grammar Nazi, you sad cunt.

[Anonymous No.12549890]

good goth brands for men? no steampunk/cyber """"goth""""" bullshit

not really the point of the thread, but i'd rather ask here than make an new thread or ask elsewhere

[Anonymous No.12550070]

>>12549890
there's no such thing as a good goth brand

Traditional goths create their own outfits out of regular pieces that, when combined together, along with weird hairstyles/makeup, result in the goth look. The most "intentionally goth" shit they wear is jewelry and band shirts.

Wearing clothes designed specifically for goths is the mark of the mallgoth poser.

[Anonymous No.12550088]

>>12549126
Those revival picks, god damn those suck. Also, nothing by the Sound? That's too bad. Could also do with DAF's Alles Ist Gut.