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>> No.12538453
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>> No.12539225
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Chest tattoo idea... yea or nea?

>> No.12539288

>>12539225
It looks like half of the people here want to have this tattoo, so if you wanna manifest your lack of creativity then do get it

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>>12538442
Want to get this in the butt
I see it as a reference of "god is dead" and I'm currently studying philosophy
I have a nice butt (man)

>> No.12539303
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Eva

>> No.12539314

>>12538442
Instead of telling people 'no, that's idiotic and tasteless'. I'm going to agree with the person, let him tattoo himself and regret his retarded decision. let's hope everyone on /fa/ can agree on this so tattoo threads can finally die.

>> No.12539337

>>12539314
epic
>DAE: Tattoos arent cool because too many people have them??? NOT having a tattoo is more unique than HAVING a tattoo something something meaning something

UPVOTE!!

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>> No.12539350

>>12539303
those hips, gotta be female?

>> No.12539354

>>12539337
Post your tattoo you triggered newfag. I bet it's shit.

Why not do something more meaningful to remember or dedicate something instead of permanently scribbling something on your body.

>> No.12539356

>>12539299
Respond to me or i kms im not kidding :(

>> No.12539362

Have tattoos ever not looked retarded?

>> No.12539363

>>12539225
just fucking do it already jesus christ

>> No.12539365

>>12539299
>>12539356
I like it dude! why on your ass though? get it front and center so people can read/see it.

>> No.12539367
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>>12539354
I actually dont have tattoos, didnt you read my post
Tattoos are meaningless, I like deep meaning as I am fairly intelligent (inb4 "no ur not", I actually am)
I would never desecrate my skin with shitty images, also its against my religion(Im jewish) to get tattoos:)

pic related, a typical degenerate swine's tattoo

>> No.12539368

>>12539365
Im not sure, I guess it's something I only want certain people to know
Also, I think it being in the butt just makes it better

>> No.12539371

>>12539367
not even him but this has to be b8

>> No.12539374

>>12539368
get it on your ribs! then the only people who can see are people who see you shirtless. or somewhere around the top of the thigh.

>> No.12539377

>>12539367
>tfw to intelligent to recognize im very stupid compared to actual intelligent people
Being smarter than your trailer redneck family or your nigger buddies doesn't make you intelligent my dude.

>> No.12539379

>>12539374
Thanks for the advice, I'll take it in count

>> No.12539382
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>>12539371
Not bait at all
Stay mad tattoo fags, but Tattoos are a sign of low education and real intelligent people express themselves by improving the world and find meaning in external things tattoos are a form of narcissism and pseudo-art
>>12539377
oh fuck off with the >hurrr ur not smart im smart
Listen, I am in UNI for Accounting and Economics and have very good grades, Im not saying im a genius, but Im much smarter than the average "hurrr im an artist and tattoo have meaning" crowd

>> No.12539384

>>12539367
*tip*

>> No.12539386

>>12539382
holy shit guys this kid's taking classes as a university. somebody get MENSA on the phone

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>>12539384
*tips american spirit cigerette*
>"tattoos are so fucking epic my boy"
*sips craft beer*
>"I love art bro, this image has SOOOOO much meaning to me"
*fuck sister in his parents trailer*
*begs dad for moeny to buy more beer*
>"yes indeed I am an artist, ome must express themselves through art, ahhhh yes"

>> No.12539392

>>12539382
Lolol. No one gives a fuck about your accounting degree. Everything is narcissism, you posting about how smart you are for doing the degree that no one else is dull enough to go for and thinking that makes you smart is narcissism.

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>>12539386
he's not a genius but hes just above par with good grades DAMN DUDE

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>>12539382
>In uni for accounting and economics with 'very good' grades

>> No.12539396

>>12539367
>>12539382
>im jewish
>im superior to all the goyim cattle
>accounting degree
anon pls stop

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>>12539396
>>12539395
>>12539392
What's that, you drew a little tattoo picture?? , made a little sketch of "meaningful art"/s, you uploaded some racist /pol/shit to 4chan? Well, let me take this opportunity to congratulate you, the monkey learned a trick. Look at you, uploading comments. You're already spewing your vile filth all over the computer, huh? Congratulations! You must have an IQ in the double digits!
Here's a little piece of advice. The next time you're gonna unload your jealousies and inadequacies online, here's a little piece of advice. Here's a little piece of advice, slick. Next time you're gonna go on the computer (mommy and daddy bought you a new computer!), you're going to unload your jealousy and inadequacies on somebody else, on a stranger? Just make sure you don't pick Sam Geno, the son of the Papa Geno Pizza empire.
I've bought people like you. I've destroyed people like you. It's nothing for me to call up my father, and have every pizza jockey in the nation have a photo of you, right above their oven. Thinking about you, my personal army of pizza makers. They'll put sauce on you. They'll lay you out. Swing you around in the air just like in the old movies. Then they'll destroy you. Piece by piece. Piece by delicious piece. Cheesy piece by cheesy crusty piece. They'll destroy you.
That's option one. Option two is you can apologize to me. Just say you're sorry. Takes a big man to apologize, don't it? Humble yourself before a god, a pizza god? Anyway. That's about it. Go fuck yourself.

>> No.12539402

>>12539382
>Stay mad tattoo fags, but Tattoos are a sign of low education and real intelligent people express themselves by improving the world and find meaning in external things tattoos are a form of narcissism and pseudo-art
we all know. that's what I said in the first place you retarded goyim. also there's no reason for you to speak like a personified fedora

>> No.12539407

>>>12539377
>oh fuck off with the >hurrr ur not smart im smart
>Listen, I am in UNI for Accounting and Economics and have very good grades, Im not saying im a genius, but Im much smarter than the average "hurrr im an artist and tattoo have meaning" crowd

Except I never said I am smart. You just make up something up to defend yourself because you don't have anything to actually do. Dumdum.

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>>12539407
heh just for that smartass little remark, ill make sure your filthy goy pig wife gets blacked by a group of 3 of my top BBC agents, you fucker

>> No.12539415
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Where's that cool medusa one that gets posted often? Also what are some paintings that would look good as tats? I was thinking about pic related

>> No.12539417

>>12539413
you'll have to wash off the cheeto dust from your fingers first

>> No.12539435

>>12539413
I dont have a wife because I'm an autistic fuck.
Heh, nothing personnel, kid.

>> No.12539437

>>12539303
I love NGE but I'm sorry this is just hideous

>> No.12539444

>>12539303
Klinefelters strikes again

>> No.12539493

>>12539225
What does it even mean?

>> No.12539587
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What do you guys think?

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>>12539367
Wow I'm so shocked at who's behind this post

>> No.12539600
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>>12539493
>meaning
>2017
well spook'd mi amigo

>> No.12539601

>>12539587
very cool where you gonna put t

>> No.12539602

>>12539601
RIght above my D
My shaft is gunna extend from the "loop" of tenticles in the middle right below the body of the octopussy

>> No.12539603

>>12539602
sick! you find a guy to do it

>> No.12539609

>>12539603
yeah, my buddy has a cousin is really good at art and wass gunna stick and poke it for me

>> No.12539614

>>12539600
>HEY GUYS I KNOW WHO CAMUS IS LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I'M SO PHILOSOPHICAL AND CULTURED

>> No.12539622
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>>12539614
>he thinks Camoo is some sort of obscure pretentious author
holy shit, it keeps getting better and better

>> No.12539637

>>12539601
Either on my chest or arm

>> No.12539711

>>12539622
lel it worked

>> No.12539715

>>12539493
papa bless

>> No.12539716

Tattoo thread = cringe festival

>> No.12539747

>>12539587
Every dudebro has an octopus tat now, sorry fella. They're still cool looking though, just not the most unique.

>> No.12539764
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12539764

Yo what do you think about mine?

>> No.12539805

>>12539764

It's alright

>> No.12540009

>>12538453
underrated post

>> No.12540015

>>12539622
Do you usually take this much bait?

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>>12539415
This?

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>> No.12540655

>>12540649
thats actually well done wtf

>> No.12540692

>>12540649
wow best grill desu

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>>12540649

>> No.12540921

>>12539347
your arms look like a page out of an explorers notebook

>> No.12540924

>>12539399
you got lazy at the end

>> No.12540962

>tfw 4chan makes you realize how embarassing and childish tattoos are and i actually have considered getting one of this disgusting millenial stickers permenantly on me

thank fuck i'm not like the rest of you normies

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>>12540962
Get something cool at least

>> No.12541232

>>12539493
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram#ICXC

>> No.12541237
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12541237

Too basic?

>> No.12541243

>>12539225
if you get it get it on your rib cage

>> No.12541265

>>12541237
Christ it looks likes a rub on one hahahah

>> No.12541266

>>12541237
>tribal anything
KYS. if you're gonna get a terrible tattoo at least get something modern, not from 2004

>> No.12541279
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12541279

how he do it

>> No.12541284
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this is my current tattoo

I want to get some other tattoos, I just wanted to know if you guys thought they were consistent with the one I have now and if they looked good

>> No.12541286
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>>12541284
First one I wanted to get maybe i'll actually get it with the hands on black and without the circle

>> No.12541288
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>>12541286
second one I wanted to get, these are my first choices but I'll post some more later

>> No.12541294

>>12541288
>>12541286
>>12541284
woah dude you are so mysterious and vague, i bet you have a next level existential view of the world

>> No.12541315

>>12540636
eyes are crooked, hand looks fucked
>>12540637
foots too small but looks kinda cute
>>12540639
eh
>>12540642
would be hard to place but i like the concept
>>12540645
why
>>12540646
iz a'ite, feels generic though
>>12540649
colored rly well but the head seems dis-proportioned to the original style, might just be the angle
>>12541214
eeehhhhhhhhhhhh, nice shading but pretty meh
>>12541237
this is literally the most basic you can get you filthy basic bitch.
>>12541279
looking ugly is a talent in some cases
>>12541284
given that this is a simple drawing with intensely tasteful, albeit inconsistent, hatching; and the ones you want are just pure silhouettes, no it will not match at all.

>> No.12541324

Tattoos are degenerate.

>> No.12541332
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should i actually get this done?

>> No.12541345

>>12541324

YES. Never get a tattoo. You will lose your chance of making it in the workforce. Plus they are nasty.

>> No.12541358

>>12541345
I don't like tattoos as well but i have a scar
I'm thinking getting a tattoo to cover that scar
is that a good reason?

>> No.12541364

>>12541358

Actually never seen tattoos for scars. Still wouldn't go through the pain though.

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>>12539225
Chest tattoo idea... yea or nea?

>> No.12541458
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What does /fa/ think of this?

>> No.12541724

Bump

>> No.12541736
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What do you all think of getting this tattooed across my back? I'm Persian, and i think some Persian miniatures lend themselves really well to full back tattoos.

>> No.12541758

>>12541332

Fucking no

>> No.12541762

>>12541458

rose looks a bit shit. I'd get a more literal image of a rose rather than that style.

>> No.12541776

>>12541762
What do you mean by 'a more literal image of a rose'

also if anyone has a good idea of something other then a rose to put in the rectangle pls tell me

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>>12541776

Something more real and less stylistic.

>> No.12541809

>>12541458
isnt that from a schlomo allbum

>> No.12541825

>>12539225
fucking hell mate
if you need all this time thinking about it, don't get it
i doubt you have the personality to pull it off

>> No.12541893

>>12541809
Yeah it's from a shlohmo album. That's why i'm trying to find something else to put in the rectangle. I love the style but i just don't want to copy it from shlohmo

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What do you guys think?

>> No.12542272
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12542272

Would Morrowind concept art make a good tattoo?

>> No.12542377

>>12539367

kys fucking kike

>> No.12542390

>>12541214
i hope this is bait

>> No.12542477
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Trad all the way

>> No.12542495

>>12539595
Best design itt

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>> No.12542510

>>12539225
only if you're orthodox christian, otherwise, why would you tattoo one of their symbols?

>> No.12542545
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What do you guys think of these, not sure where to put them yet.

>> No.12542549
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12542549

What about drawing your own tatoo?

Im working on mine
I'll draw some girl or feminine body. New ideas are welcome

>> No.12542552

>>12542549
Give her one small defining feature, like a mole piercing or tattoo.

>> No.12542556

>>12542552
>>12542549
Give her a tattoo of herself for an endless cycle.

>> No.12542563 [DELETED] 

>>12542549
>>12542552
>>12542556
KEK. Funny thing is that is a nude from a friend o mine

>> No.12542584

>>12542505
nice concept

>> No.12542609

why do people actually get tattoos?
I really want one and I can't tell myself why.

>> No.12542617

>>12542609
It's a form expression and feeds snow flake syndrome.

>> No.12542623

>>12542609
Because they want a draw on their body.

>> No.12542707

i want to get a long straight line, about 40cm on my shoulder-arm, at the end of the line it suddenly curls around points bacck the other way and then the word 'yes?'...it symnolizes the struggles \i have overcome

>> No.12542713

>>12542609
makes you more attractive (peacock feathers)

>> No.12542715

>>12542707
i have a Lion and a tribal tat that both symbolize struggles I have actually overcome - and the journey I have been upon. the journey, of life

>> No.12542725

>>12542707
>>12542715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_iob2MwGw

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>> No.12542916

Ive yet to meet anyone that looks good with a tattoo. And never will.

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>>12541893
Sahgay

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>>12542916
Thats cause most ppl don't take care of their bodies and are Auschwitz skinny or obese slobs
If your even rometely fit they look pretty good depending on the tattoo

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>> No.12542967

>>12542923
god damn i love this movie

>> No.12543153

i really like the idea of tattoos on my hands but i do a trade, so will i have to wait until i have time off or something so the tattoo doesnt get damaged?

>> No.12543155
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12543155

tattoos are degenerate and gay

>> No.12543164

>>12542549
>horrible fingers
>right shoulder connected to the neck
>boobs do not work that way

don't draw your own tattoo

>> No.12543293

>>12540642
Thoughts on this on a shoulder?

>> No.12543312

>>12539399
I agree that tattoos are stupid but man, economics really isn't a degree to be proud of.

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>>12543155
what did you just say about me you little bitch?

>> No.12543953
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I just did it a few day ago, no need to explain what it is I hope

>> No.12543973

>>12543953
>no need to explain what it is I hope
An edgy meme from a shitty movie?

>> No.12544003

>>12542962
>japanese tattoos
>on a white person
Do people actually think this is ever a good look?

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>>12539382
>I am in UNI for Accounting and Economics and have very good grades,

>> No.12544008

>>12541736
extremely yes/10

>> No.12544072

>>12539382
Fuck off nerd

>> No.12544084
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12544084

Thoughts on watercolor?
People say it doesnt age well, but Ive had this backpiece 3 years and it still looks just as crisp as the day I got it

>> No.12544097

>>12541332
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

>> No.12544133

>>12544084
The watercolor design itself aged well, but the subject mater did not. Well bazinga'd my friend!

>> No.12544146

>>12544084
Holy shit guy

>> No.12544152

>>12544146
lol, yeah I know I'm a nerd, but its what I grew up on, and I would't trade it for anything

>> No.12544158

>>12544152
You're not a nerd, you're the most entry level faggot I've ever seen and you need to get the fuck off my board. You're like a freshman in college who gets her first check of daddy's money for rent and blows it on a triforce tattoo to prove she's "not liek teh other gurlz ;)"

>> No.12544168

>>12544158
>muh secret club
oh fuck off already, just because something is commercially successful doesn't mean you can just call it "entry level" as an insult
The Beatles are the best selling band of all time, however nobody would ever use that as a negative to demean them, as a matter of fact it can be used as proof of their creativity and talent
I agree pop culture today is shit, but historyically something being popular doesnt mean its bad

>> No.12544173

>>12544168
;) nah I love watching the new THE FLASH(tm) live action show on the CW! Never be ashamed for liking what you like. Ignore the haterz. Fedoras are IN this summer!

>> No.12544178

>>12544173
>doesnt have an actual argument
>resports to le hat meme
epic, simply epic

>> No.12544184

>>12544178
Sure I don't have a 5 paragraph persuasive essay on why getting a tattoo of a bunch of super hero logos is a bad idea, but I don't have a massive backpiece that looks like some Sheldon Cooper alt-art either..

>> No.12544186

>>12544184
you also have a wife that fucks black men, sooooooo....

>> No.12544192

>>12544186
>getting married
Try again sweaty

>> No.12544212

>>12541758
but it would be ironically ofc
>>12544097
P.A. lol

>> No.12544222

>>12539367

>fairly inteligent
>religious

choose one

>> No.12544226

threadly reminder that pop culture tattoos make you look like a vapid cunt with no personality, buy a t shirt instead if you like a movie or superhero.

>> No.12544236

>>12544222
lol Im an Athiestic Jewish

>> No.12544265

>>12543953
Pretty gay my dude.
Getting something related to religion in the year of the flogging 2016+1

>> No.12544283

>>12544168
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.

>> No.12544289

>>12544283
uhhhh yeah, you've got autism m8

>> No.12544300
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12544300

>>12544289
>not knowing Scaruffi

>> No.12544302

>>12544084
was this on purpose?

>> No.12544327

>>12541332
I do like this one.

And I do not understand the ((cringe)) behind being known as a person who, goes is in any way affiliated with 4chan, and visiting a slower (related to other boards) thematics board.
>muh secret club meme

>> No.12544369

>>12539382

Being smart and being intelligent are two different things. Let that sink in for a bit before you post again.

>> No.12544377
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12544377

>>12544003
What are you a racist?!

>> No.12544481

>>12544302
yeah
Its called watercolor its a pretty popular style right now
check out this shop, they do a lot of black and and water color work

>> No.12544598
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12544598

Thoughts? I was think this on my forearm or shoulder.

>> No.12544599
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12544599

Hi /fa/ does any1 do stick and pokes? I got this one on my leg a couple months ago, what do you think?

>> No.12544614
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>>12544599
Here's a current picture of it. Man it hasn't really aged well lmao

>> No.12544620
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>> No.12544622
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12544622

How would this look on my bicep, vertically?

>> No.12544629

There is a photo of a man with with short-term chewing gum tattoos all over his face.
Does anybody have it?

>> No.12544659

>>12539764
Looks cool

>> No.12544662
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12544662

This but with vampire teeth maybe

>> No.12544666

>>12542609
If you want one isn't that reason enough?

>> No.12544738
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12544738

>>12544599
>>12544614
Wtf...

>> No.12545059
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12545059

This?

>> No.12545067

>>12542272
Yes but I'm partial.

>> No.12545075

>>12545059
good luck finding an artist who can do giger

>> No.12545084

>>12541332
hey eliza, can i smell your fingers pls.

>> No.12545086

>>12539600
>2017
>post-modernism
>rejecting meaning

I'm literally fucking dead, you're sheer stupidity has killed me and I am haunting this keyboard, forced to shitpost for all enternity because of your raw mental retardation.

>> No.12545136

>>12542962
I used to love the look of these tattoo's but after A while I realized what >>12544003 said and decided against it

its also a all or nothing thing with traditional japanese tattoos. it just looks unfinished as hell when you only get a portion of you body done.

>> No.12545161

>>12544599
There's a monk in Thailand that gives those tattoos for $75

>> No.12545189
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12545189

>> No.12545193
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12545193

>> No.12545194

>>12545193

gas chambercore

>> No.12545221
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12545221

hows my cover-up guys??

>> No.12545228

>>12545221
Beautifully done imo. But why the monkey?

>> No.12545392

>>12545228
*tips fedora*

>> No.12545425

>>12545194
Lol

>> No.12545468

>>12545193

OY VEY

>> No.12545469

>>12545059

Gigger it's always a good decission

>> No.12545483
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12545483

i want this on my forearm with some minor alterations, what do you guys think?

>> No.12545499

>>12544481
i think he meant the shitty subject matter, not the technique. The only way one can see this and think its cool is with a lethal dose of drugs and autism.

>> No.12545525

>>12544265
It's what Samuel L. Jackson says in Pulp Fiction before killing someone.
Garbage nonetheless

>> No.12545540

>>12539747
I agree. But In the end it does not (or rather should not) matter whether a tattoo is unique.

>> No.12545544
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12545544

>> No.12545546

>>12544662
>This
yes
>but with vampire teeth
no

>> No.12545594
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12545594

>>12544662

well not bad anon, not bad at all, going now with pic related to the studio, thanks a lot

>> No.12545711

>>12545594
Fight me faggot

Where ya gonna get it so I can copy pasta?

>> No.12545729

>>12545594
Pic or didn't happen, two hours tops for that in a decent size

>> No.12545797
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>> No.12545807
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12545807

>want to fully ink my arms
>but also want the tattoos to have a deep meaning to me and not just be some random shit
Everytime
>want to tattoo my hands
>slightly afraid future employers might think i'm a criminal or white trash
Makes think huh

>> No.12545808

>>12542505
I fuck with this

>> No.12545822

>>12543164
just a sketch, bro

>> No.12545827

>>12539390
You're mixing up at least two or three stereotypes here, come on Anon get your head in the game

>> No.12546109

>>12545797

we still here reddit-lover

>> No.12546353
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>> No.12546428

>>12545807
just take your time filling you arms up bro, get shit that means something to you. get hand tattoos if it won't affect your career field.

>> No.12546429
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12546429

Got this done in Amsterdam recently

>> No.12546452

>>12544622
stupid

>> No.12546467

>getting tattoos for "meaning"
lmao guys

>> No.12546509
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12546509

>>12544377
yes?

>> No.12546512

>>12544084
AVENGERS ARE SO COOL

>> No.12546515

>>12544289
gtfo

>> No.12546516

>>12546467
>going to get a phoenix flying up my arm from flames and onto my shoulder blade to represent how I'm always flying higher, and how I rise from the flames of my life....

Cringe fest

>> No.12546521
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12546521

>>12546467
this, tattos are actually retarded.

if they have a personal meaning why would you want to show that to everybody in a form of drawing? why do you want attention so much?

if they not have any meaning, why are you doodling yourself permanently?

>> No.12546648

>>12546521
As a reminder to myself. My gramps died, so I put a tattoo related to him in a visible place ofy right arm to remind me all the valuable stuff he taught me.
That didn't really happen, but just a valid reason, and I'm sure there are many others. I'm sure you could come up with some, but you don't because you just want to throw shit at other people. You're being irrational on purpose.
Tell me, if you dislike tattoos and people who make them so much, why are you here? Do you not realize that purposefully entering a thread of things you do not like just to get upset is deeply retarded?

>> No.12546674

>>12546648
>As a reminder to myself
really? do you need a permanent post-it for remind you something?
Im here because i like how they look, but the people who do it are actually retarded

>> No.12546686

>>12546648
are you so fucking dumb you can't remember important advice from your family? You need to literally permanantly sharpie the advice on your arm so you don't forget.

Why not tattoo your fucking name on your face so each morning you're reminded when you brush your teeth?

tattoos are for pathetic losers

>> No.12546729

>>12545228
Fell for the evolution meme

>> No.12546744

>>12538453
Just here to say fpbp

>> No.12546822
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12546822

I find it odd how many regular ppl in society either like or don't mind tattoos, but SOOOOO MANY 4chaners hate them with a passion, and the ones that do, like the weirdest or cringeist edgefest looking tattoos I've ever seen, like watercolor and tarot card tattoos, and geometric hipster bullshit or video game tattoos, it's the weirdest pool of opinions I've ever seen

>> No.12546834
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12546834

Thinking of getting something very similar too pic related. I'm thinking of having the snake coil more neatly around my arm and maybe putting the head in a different position. thoughts?

>> No.12546864

>>12546822
4chan hates things that are completely innocuous because they manage to convince themselves that they're connected to "SJWs" or normies or whatever and project their hatred for those groups onto whatever thing it is

>> No.12546955

are stick and pokes temporary ? ( in a sense that they only last a few month)

>> No.12546992

>>12539399
top kek

>> No.12547034

>>12546955
no

>> No.12547041

>>12546834
it will cost a lot of money, take a lot of time and be considerably visible
you would have to be 100% sure to do it and as you are asking in a anime forum if you should get it then you definetely arent anywhere that level of certainty

>> No.12547056

>>12547034
so they just look like shit after two month forever ?

>> No.12547077

>>12547041
I've wanted one pretty bad for quite a long time. just wanted some outside opinion's

>> No.12547082
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12547082

I like this sleeve alot, but I need to build my shoulders and biceps and triceps up bigger to make it flow as nice as this pic

>> No.12547108

>>12547056
They look exactly as good as they are done. If you WANT it to be temporary you can manage it with nonpermanent ink.
Stick and pokes can look good forever.

>> No.12547112

>>12546955
they last for about a couple of years until they fade away. it doesn't take long for them to look shitty and smudged (half a year ish)

>> No.12547157

>>12544084
Please be bait, please be bait, please be bait...

>> No.12547185

>>12541785
>>12541736
You have to be really careful about getting something that's so heavily detailed. Tattoos fade and blur with time.

>>12545136
Those traditional Japanese tattoos are also yakuza (Japanese mob) tattoos. A skinny, white nerd with a gang tat would look pretty ridiculous. The same person with a Japanese gang tat would look even more ridiculous.

>>12542272
Yes.

>> No.12547222

Does anybody have a pic of the skeleton drinking wine leaning against a tombstone? I know it's a meme, but I want to get something in a similar style and I don't know the name

>> No.12547341
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12547341

>>12546686
Now that's not very nice anon. It's not because I may forget it, it's because it holds an important meaning to me and having it on my body is something meaningful for me. Can you really not imagine why someone may want to have something which holds very important meaning to him in his body? Come on, I think it's in the back of your head but you're so entitled with your own opinion you just ignore it

>> No.12547342
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12547342

>>12546834
You shouldn't copy tattoos of other people anon. It means you're stupid and uncreative.

>> No.12547355

>>12539399
weak pasta bro

>> No.12547358

>>12547082
I don't think it's that well done.

>> No.12547361

>>12540649
best gril 10/10 based anon

>> No.12547912

>>12543315
[LongKnives Internally]

>> No.12548059

>>12540649
>shit girl
>shit tattoo
Who would of thought

>> No.12548184

>>12548059
*would've

>> No.12548317

>>12546864
>>12546822
Absolute protip, it is only autists caring so much about this. Tattoos don't need a deep meaning, they don't look stupid if done right, if you have multiple ones they should have the same style. Now that is all.
Normal people don't care that much and just get their tattoos.

>> No.12548347

>>12546429
What shop?

>> No.12548521
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12548521

its just painted on.

>> No.12548772

What do you guys think of celtic/celtic-inspired symbols as Tattoos? I'm thinking of getting a tattoo and it would probably be something like this or my country's flag or family coat of arms.

I'm probably going to go ahead with it once I find an artist nearby that I want to go with but can you guys post any nice inspo type stuff for this kind of art or any examples of it done right for me, please?

>> No.12548776
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12548776

>>12548772
Fuck, forgot a pic.

>> No.12548893

>>12548776
If you are nordic the valknut is okej or else it is just as bad as getting a japanese tattoo if you are outside from japan

>> No.12549031

>>12539367
>I like deep meaning as I am fairly intelligent (inb4 "no ur not", I actually am)
Let me guess, you tell girls you're a 'nice guy'?
Pathetic weab

>> No.12549040

>>12539399
Jesus this is either really good b8 or you're really REALLY autistic

>> No.12549048

>>12540645
Retarded and edgy, just like the movie

>> No.12549061

>>12545221
my biggest complaints about this tattoo is the E=mc^2 and the question mark. If he put something like a feynman diagram instead, it would be better.

>> No.12549150

>>12548059
>would of

go fucking kill yourself and your whole useless cuckfamily you fucking niggerloving cocksucking cunt of a fucking shithead.

GO LEARN ENGLISH AND STOP RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE

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12549173

>>12545086
Its a fucking drawing on your body. Cant i just have it because i like it?

>> No.12549175

>>12549173
>it's a fucking hat on my head.
>can't i just have a fedora because a like it?

Except you can take off a fedora and throw it away easily.

>> No.12549178

>>12549175
>can't i just have a fedora because a like it?
Yes, you can. Its your head, my dude.

>> No.12549188

>>12549175
If you dont dress well because you like to look good,but because you ""have to"", you're the autist one, not the fedora neckbeard.

>> No.12549193

>>12549188
>>12549178
Not sure you fellows are following the point. Tattoos simply look bad. You should not want to look bad, what is the benefit of it?

>> No.12549277

>>12548772
Just answer this question: were you born in America? Don't tell me about your heritage, your whatever, I don't care, just tell me, where did you pop out of your mom?

>> No.12549282

>>12548772
>family coat of arms

FYI a Coat of Arms as a tattoo is a really sucky idea but more than that a Coat of Arms isn't just for everyone with a family name. That was a trick invented to sell mugs and plaques to people.
You are entitled to use Arms if you are directly descended from the particular man that was awarded them and can prove it.
And, cynically, even if we had the pedigree linking us back to that guy: somewhere in the family tree a dude probably got cucked and we aren't actually related to that guy anyway.

>> No.12549459
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12549459

I was thinking of getting geometric/"serious" tats on one arm and something psychedelic on the other. I know It depends on what I get, but what do you think? Autism?
Something I had in mind was a black tree, the leaves like colorful watercolor splotches.
Pic fucking unrelated.

>> No.12549594
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12549594

What do you guys think about this, I've been thinking about getting this, without the yeezus
I still haven't decided where would be the best place to put it
I'm also open for any ideas to alter it, like maybe having dying flowers instead

>> No.12549691

>tfw still 11 weeks to wait and see if it's worth getting a tattoo of the Evolution of the Arm

>> No.12549993
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12549993

Rate my tattoo then,
Photos taken after 2nd session - still have 2 more to go. Yes, it's looks red and kinda shit - It's much better now

>> No.12549995
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12549995

>>12549993
Aaaaand 4chan fucked up rotation. Of course.

>>12549459
Sounds awesome

>> No.12549999

>>12542925
saved to tattoo inspo

>> No.12550016

>>12549999
Check 'em

>>12549993
>>12549995
Looks bretty good, post it when it's done!

>> No.12550064

>>12550016
Thanks, will do. In 2 months...

>> No.12550080

I'm 22 and i'm about to get my next 2 tatoos.
I feel like i'm too old for this shit sometimes.

>> No.12550093

>>12539368
Dude, butt tattoos are great. Especially if there is an element that complements or contrasts the goofiness implicit in butts. I would say your choice succeeds at doing both.

>> No.12550164

>>12544084
you basically have a batman-tramp stamp

>> No.12550170
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12550170

dumping medieval stuff

>> No.12550172
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12550172

>>12550170

>> No.12550177
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12550177

>>12550172

>> No.12550178
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12550178

>>12550177

>> No.12550180
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>>12550178

>> No.12550183
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>>12550180

>> No.12550472

>>12549993
its a work in progress so don't take it to heart when I say It looks like shit

>> No.12550664
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12550664

Had this piece done today, thoughts?

>> No.12550671

>>12550664
looks good mang

>> No.12550684

>>12540642
dude that's so fucking metal
i want that

>> No.12550688
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12550688

>>12542255
cool as fuck

reminds me of pic related

>> No.12550756

>>12550664
Ur artist did good job.

>> No.12550788

>>12550756
Thanks man.
It’s my birthday present from my sister, she’s still an apprentice,
but heck.. free tattoos for life yo

>> No.12550941

>>12542477
>Traditional
>Blue
Get the fuck out of here

>> No.12551088
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12551088

I'm considering getting this tattooed on my leg.
(It's an album cover)
Any thoughts?

>> No.12551093
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12551093

>>12551088
Also considering on getting this one
(without the writing, of course)

>> No.12551912

>>12551088
This will look like a 5 year old did the tattoo

>>12551093
This by as too much detail - after blurring a little bit it'll look like crap

>> No.12552201

>>12539347
Encyclopedia arms, neeeeeerrrrrrrd!!!

>> No.12552258

>>12543953

worst in the thread desu

>> No.12552283

>>12550664
Nice, well done.

>> No.12552290

>>12546822
>
Who would have thought neo nazi basement dwelling obese virgins who care about fashion could be weird.

>> No.12552300

>>12544662
>>12545594
I saw this and thought it was fucking cool. When I first saw it I wanted to get it slightly redrawn to be modelled more after my own teeth and jaw, but I just realised that it's already the same, down to the three middle inscisors.
Fucking rad. If I head out for a tattoo anytime soon defininitely getting it.

>> No.12552400

>>12539347
These scientific illustration tattoos look amazing. Can anyone link me to flash designs of this style?

>> No.12552500
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>>12542272
Impressive.

>> No.12552510

>>12545221
>*goes to reddit once*

>> No.12552528

>>12541237

baby's first design

>> No.12552531

>>12544084

oh my god this is awful

>> No.12552608

thinking of getting pic related on my leg, would do in my inner arm but my job doesent like arm tats. thoughts? never gotten a tattoo before so im unsure if the nearby artists can do this detail. i love linework any suggestions?

>> No.12552631
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>>12552608
holy shit i forgot the picture

>> No.12552641

>>12544084
congrats on having probably the shittest tattoo i've ever seen

>> No.12552665

>>12550664
Can I stole this?

>> No.12552671

>>12552631
I liked it

>> No.12552724

>>12551088
Kiss the anus of a black cat :3

>> No.12552753
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>>12549193

>> No.12552768

>>12545221
u changed shit for shit, respect.

>> No.12552822
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Thinking of my first tats and want to start off small. Was thinking of getting a lip tat that says kiss me, not sure if I want it in print or cursive. Second is a perforated line over an incision site under my pec with "cut here" under it in print.

r8 my thoughts

>> No.12552890

>>12542272
This is beautiful, I'm stealing that idea

>> No.12553113
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I want to do something like this. But I gotta lift more and make enough money to pay a decent artist.

>> No.12553127

>>12541430
Hell ya

>> No.12553149
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r8 me

>> No.12553156

>>12544084
Jesus. This is so fucking gay

>> No.12553300

>>12552300
Where? black pic op here, I'm thinking left forearm under nice so the top would be where my inside elbow joint is, or just centre haven't decided yet

>> No.12553344

>>12552300
Also change it at least a bit don't be a dick like the guy who stole the idea

>> No.12553404

>>12553149
L10/10

>> No.12553649

>>12549993
looks good but you have to work out more to pull that off

>> No.12553683

>>12548521
>Mirror's Edge core

>> No.12553826

>>12552631
Not really feeling the three lines between the circle and the tree, would probably just go with the lower half.

>> No.12553849

>>12544662
I have this tattooed

>> No.12554004

>>12553849
Pic gayboi

>> No.12554136

>>12550177
Opinions on this as a chest tattoo minus the Latin writing?

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>>12554004