/fa/ - Fashion

[Anonymous No.10290958]

how do you all feel about d gnak?

[Anonymous No.10290970]

>>10290958
derivative

[Anonymous No.10290981]

>>10290970
>derivative
how so?
I feel he has a bit of originality, most designers aren't going to be innovative or even groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.10291089]

A lot of his silhouettes are clearly derivative. That doesn't in and of itself bother me usually but the way it's executed (read: quality and price point) is what gets to me. It's aimed at people who want the rick look without paying that price but the quality is just not on par. Particularly the shoes. Also he has like three lines and I cannot keep track of them well enough because they produce similar shit. D by D, d. Gnak, Kang D... I think it's the d by d shit that is soooo bad. Too many prints, unecessary zippers or asymmetrical details, really stiff and cheap cottons. Zara tier.

[Anonymous No.10291118]

>>10290981
his designs are derived from rick owens most clearly, but he also hops on whatever else is trendy at the moment.

most designers won't be innovative, but some of this stuff is laughably rip-off. the big black and white sneakers are straight out of rick owens. the elongated tops with the cut-out in front are also rick. skirted and panel-front trousers straight from rick again. arguably also from cdgh+ and julius. same goes for the geometric applique. the bold white or black stripes are lifted from hood by air. sleeveless outerwear from raf simons. the black bomber jackets are very close to rick's bomber jackets, but they are also generally trendy.

theres a wool coat with a button neck that is derived from a rick design. the drop crotch shorts look far too much like pod shorts. the shoes in your op pic are an undeniable rip off of the sock ramone design which recently were released for mens collections.

i'm looking at s/s and f/w 15 fwiw. i dont want to have to make a collage. if you can't see how its derivative you've probably only recently looked at RO clothes.

[Anonymous No.10291134]

I have a couple of pieces. Pants and Kicks. Quality is fine. I don't mind Kang. Makes me think of Rick x KVA circa 07-09. Re: derivative. Frankly I couldn't give a shit provided the pieces look good. The collections are all over the shop so you kinda need to hunt for dece pieces. Would buy again.

[Anonymous No.10291135]

>>10291118
so you're only argument is he copies rick? plokhov does the same thing, even boris, I feel some of what kang does is pretty futuristic in a high tec sense, sort of like y-3.

the whole goth ninja avant garde aesthetic in itself is derivitive, isaac sellem, julius, and many others basically make the same things and and copy eachother.

[Anonymous No.10291149]

http://www.complex.com/sneakers/2015/05/rick-owens-nike-cease-desist

derivative food for thought.

[Anonymous No.10291174]

>>10291149

This is on the grounds of trademark infringement, not design.

[Anonymous No.10291198]

>>10291174
He designed a Frankenstein high-top sneaker called the Geobasket with a logo that combined elements from several iconic sneaker brands, with Nike's Swoosh being the most prominent inspiration. "If I was gonna wear them I wanted monster trucks on my feet. So I made my own parody combining Puma, Nike, and adidas motifs," Owens reveals.

:/

I wasn't referring to the trademark infringement content. He says it himself. Word it how you like but the sneaker derives elements from other designs.

[Anonymous No.10291227]

>>10291135
>so your only argument

i wasn't aware i needed more than one. in my first post i said it's derivative. in my second post i said how. i take it that you aren't disagreeing with me. especially since your only reply is saying everyone else is derivative too. that doesn't refute the point(s) i made. it's true that designers take their ideas from elsewhere, but what we're talking about here is a guy who copies most of his ideas from one designer.

plokhov, boris, sellem, and julius have devleoped their own 'language' to a greater degree than d gnak. yes, the whole avant-garde aesthetic shares territory, but these designers are bumping into each other, whereas d gnak is following rick's lead stepping into his footprints. i mean an idea that pops up in a rick collection will literally appear in d gnak's collection one season later (like the geometric applique).

take any of the other designers you named, you won't find this pattern. plokhov is more capital-g Gothic than rick. boris' clothes have more emphasis on the dyeing and washing processes than rick, whose clothes are generally clean. julius isn't nearly as architectural as rick. you also won't find 1:1 copies of rick's designs or ideas in their collections, especially not in such great concentration.

you mention kang is futuristic, well, so is rick owens. retro-futurism to be precise.

last, no, i didn't argue that he was ONLY derivative of rick. how is your reading comprehension? i also mentioned ideas lifted from raf, cdgh+, julius, and HBA. if you can't see how julius is more original than d gnak, i can't say much more at this point than you need to train your eye and look at more of these clothes in person. it will come with time.

[Anonymous No.10291310]

>>10291149
>>10291198
margiela took the german army trainer, DBSS took reebok, etc etc. some designs become so ubiquitous they are free range for poaching. the most clear example aside from the basketball high-top is the converse chuck taylor design. designs from the united states and british armed forces are the basis for probably half of all outerwear in menswear today.

yes, designers will draw on existing designs, especially widespread and historically established ones. what i'm talking about with d gnak is you can see ideas from rick owens appear in his own runway a mere season or two later.

in the quote you posted also notice that there is SYNTHESIS. a combination of motifs from three different sources into one. this is a very important step. many designers will take a basic or popular design, such as the harrington jacket, and make some kind of change to the design at a fundamental level. this can be deconstructionist, as is the case with a now defunct brand like nom de guerre. it can be interpreted into the broader vision of the designer, such as thom browne. some designers combine two different designs into one garment, this is clear in junya watanebe's menswear. this synthesis or interpretation isn't happening in d gnak. or it is happening to a far lesser degree.

also note that rick only had to change the element that looked like the swoosh, not the entire design of the shoe itself. see pic. the design is quite different.

[Anonymous No.10292085]

>>10291310
which model of reebok is like the dbss? i always thought they looked like ewings, just curious

[Anonymous No.10292873]

>>10291198
DERIVES some elements, not straight up copying designs. He changed the silhouette of the tongue, sole, and toebox pretty drastically.

[Anonymous No.10292884]

>>10292873
>>10292873
post some straight up copies. exact copies.

[Anonymous No.10292890]

>>10292884

[Anonymous No.10292904]

>>10291118
hahahha pathetic RO fanboys at it again

Rick rips like a motherfucker himself, but good you only know one designer.. Fucking /fa/

[Anonymous No.10292911]

>>10292890
he has changed the sillohette of the sole. drastically changed. it has raised grooves around it and is wider...

[Anonymous No.10292917]

>>10292904
rick invented the black t-shirt. accept no imitations.

[Anonymous No.10292921]

>>10290958
People in this thread are literally calling RICK(!?!??!) original.. Lmao he has stated several times that he is HIGHLY >inspired from other brands and that sometimes he even combines other shoes from other brands the way he would have made the/those shoes. He clothes is so plagiarized in many cases that it's nauseating to hear y'all defend him as an orginal designer. He even denies it himself.. Fucking Rick fanboys are the fucking worst fanboys

[Anonymous No.10292929]

this thread confirms that rick fanboys are morons.

[Anonymous No.10292932]

cinzia hackraia all over again fucking hell mate the copycats wont cease

[Anonymous No.10292933]

>>10292911
>drastically
no
>>10292904
I agree, no doubt other designers rip from him though.

[Anonymous No.10294111]

>>10292932
>black and white color ways, and ankle shrouds are considered to be derivitive

[Anonymous No.10294899]

>>10292904
>Rick rips like a motherfucker himself
Any examples, please?

[Anonymous No.10295026]

>>10294899
exploder parka

[Anonymous No.10295057]

>>10295026
Who did he copy it from?

[Anonymous No.10295063]

>>10295057
raf

[Anonymous No.10295066]

>>10292921
no that's wrong. He usually cites costume designers/cultural movements/architects as inspirations.

admittedly he has taken some cues from Rei.

This guy is just awful. If you look at the pic in the op and think that looks good, i son't know what to tell you.

It's like something a 15 year old rap genius community contributor would think is really deep high fashion. Every single article is a watery knockoff.

[Anonymous No.10295067]

>>10295063
What model?

[Anonymous No.10295068]

>>10295063
lul what are you doing.

>>10295026
fair to say that his general dropcrotch pattern is p heavilly inspired by the commes des garcons one.

The trash in thist hread is not even close to rick garms tho

[Anonymous No.10295074]

>>10295068
>>10295067

[Anonymous No.10295086]

>>10295074
What is that?

[Anonymous No.10295091]

>>10295086
aw04 n3b parka.

[Anonymous No.10295092]

>>10295091
*n2b

[Anonymous No.10295097]

>>10295074
wow man you posted a picture of a really standard menswear item. That's like posting a picture of tennis shoes from the 70s and calling adidas/cp etc frauds

Anyway, the only aspect of the exploder parka that is really interesting is the hood

[Anonymous No.10295105]

>>10295097
lmao, ok, it's pretty obvious that the exploder is influenced by raf's rendition.

[Anonymous No.10295106]

>>10295091
>>10295092
oh okay

[Anonymous No.10295135]

>>10290981
no originality, what he's stolen in no particular order

>rick owens
>ann d
>helmut lang
>boris bidjan saberi
>balenciaga
and to a lesser extent, song for the mute, ktz and what looks like a mild reference to yohji.

[Anonymous No.10295190]

>>10292085
Afaik dbss soles ARE reebok soles. Not sure about copying designs tho. To me DBSS stands out enough to not be associated with reebok besides sourcing some material from them