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10143058 No.10143058 [Reply] [Original]

Simple question: What causes hair loss?

>> No.10143062

Dihydrotestosterone attacking the hair follicles on the head.

>> No.10143066

>>10143062
How to prevent this?

>> No.10143068

Not enough protein.

Remember to swallow, kids.

>> No.10143069

>>10143062
K you can delete this thread now OP

>> No.10143084

>>10143066
There are different "solutions" like minoxidil and finasteride that essentially lower your testosterone production, and thus dihydrotestosterone (DHT) concentration in your body.

Unfortunately they can have the side effect of chemical castration. I'm not even kidding.

The best is to take low doses of minox while you still have a lot of hairline left.

>> No.10143093

>>10143084
Is there any effect on your DHT from every day habits? Like working out or sex/masturbation?

>> No.10143115

>>10143093
No idea. Go on google

>> No.10143137

Dont really know if I buy into the "its DHT, here buy propecia and rogain".

In real life what I have noticed is that people that work out and life a fairly healthy life often have a nice set of hair/hairline. It's often the fatties/workaholics that loose it.

>> No.10143143

>>10143058
Bad genetics

>> No.10143163

>>10143143
This

Seriously whole life is based on genetics.

>> No.10143193
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>> No.10143214

>>10143137
A good portion of the guys at my gym are receding.

>> No.10143219

>>10143193
Is he about to vomit?

>> No.10143507

>>10143137
>>10143214

Yeah, that's definitely not true. Actually, most guys I know who lift regularly have receding hairlines.

>> No.10143526

>>10143219
He must know what his head looks like..

>> No.10143861

>>10143507

Exactly, Creatine is a bitch

>> No.10143882

socialism

>> No.10143889

>>10143093
I still jack off 1 or 2 times a day plus sex with gf on 1.25mg of finastercide and 2mL of minoxidil every day. If your libido goes down then just stop taking it.

>> No.10143925

>>10143889
Is there any regrowth? Or is it just stopping any further loss?

>> No.10143958

>>10143084
this is incorrect, minoxidil increases bloodflow locally on you scalp, and finasteride blocks conversion from testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. btw, testosterone gets converted to estrogens too, so if the DHT pathway is blocked....

>> No.10143966

>>10143958
and thus minoxidil has almost no sideeffects, whereas finasterid can really fuck up you hormones, make you depressed, lower your libido, etc.

also studies have shown that sideeffects can remain, even when you stop taking the finasteride :(

and lastly for everyone who thinks they can just take a 5mg pill, and cut it in half two times, it doesnt work that way because the pill has a coating that is necessary so that it doesnt get destroyed in the gut. if you cut the pill, its completely useless

>> No.10144000

>>10143925
I was on minox only for a few years as a preventative since my dad is bald. No side effects at all and unsure if it was preventing anything but it did make my hair grow quicker.

But over the course of three weeks earlier this year I lost about 50% of the volume of my hair in the front and on a spot right above my crown. I freaked out and buzzed and it looked ok at about 1.6mm length and I went on finastercide as well. Within 4 weeks (no joke) it had all but grown back. It is crazy thick everywhere now and I have grown about 12cm length in 5 months. Very, very happy.

If you sense any loss in volume I would get on it ASAP and if you don't have any side effects just stay on it. I heard it doesn't work for some people but might as well try, you can just stop if it doesn't do anything for you.

No regrowth on hairline, but... I have always had a high hairline dating back to photos 10 years ago so I am not sure if there was anything to regrow there.

>> No.10144010

>>10143966
This is me:
>>10144000
And I just cut a 5mg pill (sourced from inhousepharmacy.biz) and have had good results.

>> No.10144018

How do I tell if I have male pattern baldness?

>> No.10144026

>>10143058
Simple question: Why don't you google it?

>> No.10144164

>I've never taken finasteride
>It causes irreversible damage1!!111, I read on slybaldguys.com and yahoo
fucking ridiculous.
year and a half on finasteride here.
hair nice, cock nice, work-out nice, studies nice.

>> No.10144180

>>10143058
masturbation.

>> No.10144181

>>10144018
Look at your hairline

>> No.10144265

Just buzz your head with a #1
Don't try to fight your destiny /b/ro

>> No.10145208

Take a look here OP:
http://www.herballove.com/solutions/herbal-hair-loss-solution-hair-follicle-regrowth

>> No.10145521

Fuck I am so scared to start propecia lads

Hold me

>> No.10145666

>>10145521
What's the condition of your hair now?

>> No.10145709

>>10144180
not true lol i'd be long bald if that were true

>> No.10145726

My dad had very fine, dirty blonde hair that greyed and receded. my half brother (same) has tight tight irish curls from his mother and is receding but he is late 20s.
obviously female pattern baldness doesn't really apply but my moms hair is very thick and very wavy.

my hair is also pretty thick and a bit straighter than my moms. the only person in my family that we can compare it to is my maternal grandfather, who had very similar hair in his youth and right now in his early 80s is still type 1 and noticeably thick even though he keeps it crew cut now.

i'm 20 and my hairline is still straight across like it has always been, no recession on temples or anything. even though I push it back (basically young stalin cut) and loose a few hairs i see plenty of new growth to replace any shedding. barber always comments on thickness.

i'm gonna be fine for a while right?

>> No.10145734

>>10145726
same father for half brother*

>> No.10145779

>>10143058
cum.

>> No.10146041

>>10145666

Norwood 2 hairline but it's starting to thin

>> No.10146051

>>10145521
i took the plunge a couple of months back having spent years being apprehensive. my hairline got to the point where it was making me feel shit so i got on finasteride.

it's been 2 months now and not a single side effect to report. also no change in hair yet, as you'd expect. but given the lack of side effects i wish i'd started on it a couple of years back

>> No.10146063

>>10144164
did you experience any regrowth? what was your hair like before you started on it? do you supplement it with anything like minoxidil? how old are you?

>> No.10146073

>>10144010
do you cut the pill into 4 and take 1.25 daily? 7 days a week?

>> No.10146078

Is finasteride prescription only?

>> No.10146084

has anyone here who used finasteride for a long time stopped using it? I've been on it for nearly 4 years and I'm probably going to stop soon so I'm wondering if there are any side effects of stopping

>> No.10146090

>>10146084
your hair will probs fall out surely?

>> No.10146104

>>10146090
yeah I'm definitely expecting that. I meant anything you might not necessarily expect, since I'll probably have s surge in dht

>> No.10146113

>>10146104
what made you want to give up and accept your fate?

no idea about side effects from a surge in dht but if you're worried maybe ease off it rather than outright quit?

>> No.10146144

also what do people do with minoxidil here?

I use the regaine foam and ive cut down to once a day - sick of having sticky hair all of the time so i only put it on at night. it's half life is 22 hours so once a day seems to be fine

i grow a patchy beard so for fun i wiped the residue from my hands onto my cheeks, saw noticable results within a month or so, much fuller and cheek hair was starting to join on to chin hair

once i stopped it fell out though lol

>> No.10146157

>>10146113
it just didn't really work for me. I had no side effects while on it, but I'm past the point where I should have shaved it so I'm gonna go through with it soon

>> No.10146158

>>10143058
Loneliness

>> No.10146163

>>10146158
that does seem to be the case tbh

>> No.10146177

Any truth to the myth that masturbation causes it hair loss?
I've heard it brought up a lot, but I've yet to see any solid sources either proving or disproving it

>> No.10146189

>>10146177
i doubt it tbh, if you think about it some super attractive male model with a full head of hair probs fucks as many girls as the average 4chan poster wanks, yet he's got a full head of hair

also wanking hasn't been ok for most of human history yet there were bald people in the past and there are bald religious nuts today

also i first noticed my hair properly receding when i was in a relationship, having about 1 wank a month

>> No.10146195

>>10146177
If you can find a correlation between DHT production and masturbation, then that would be the case

However, that doesn't seem to be the case

>> No.10146204

>>10146177
If that were the case, every man on the planet would be bald. And half the women.

>> No.10146272

How much will propecia affect muscle growth?

>> No.10146715

>>10146272
it doesn't

>> No.10146822

I have thick hair and the texture is incomparable to anyone in my family, so I don't know how the genetic lottery has fared for me. I'm 18 and I haven't experienced any form of hair loss, but I'm paranoid about thinning. Is it a good idea to start using minoxidil as a preventative?

>> No.10147256

>>10146822
not until you see some form of thinning, as soon as you do, get on it, until then, don't

>> No.10147286

OP, you might want to check out beta sitosterol. It's alleged to block the conversion of testosterone to DHT (which causes hairloss and prostate problems).

I only just started taking it, so I can't give a personal account but many guys who take it claim they slowly grew back hair. Beta sitosterol is cheap as fuck, btw.

>> No.10147391

>>10147286
can it be taken in conjunction with finasteride?

>> No.10148475

I'm 19. I've been on fin for a year and minox for about half. No sides. My hair is "fine to good". I'm not so vain about my hair as I am scared about losing it and losing out on girls and my mental heath at such a young age.

It's a beautifully complicated and tragic thing - balding in your teens.

You think, oh, there goes any shot at fame (I'm a musician), there goes all shot at any 9s and 10s.

But it's an immediate, crucial, solitary test of your mental health. You pass? What happens? You fail? Then what? You go bald?

Is the better alternative not having to ever worry/notice this shit - ie having normal youthful hair.

(More personal context: I have better than average looks, a great sense of humour, am skinny of fuck, think I have a weird shaped skull, and have never had a GF).

Currently I am popping quarters of Fin each night and applying liquid minox haphazardly in my hair, which I will do after this post.

My biggest fears are the neuro-toxic (GABA?), psychoactive effect of fin, the chance of my sperm's DNA being altered, the chance it may not be doing anything at all (it's hard to tell when obsessive).

The biggest win is that my hair looks fine and should maintain and that I should be able to stop thinking about by the end of the year, I hope, if it's still maintained or better by then.

>> No.10148488

Ive been on fin for over 1.5 years
its at the least slowed the the lost and at most maintained things. I want some regrowth.
Will minox retain its gains so long as I use it or will it lose the regrowth over time?

I wish they would hurry and approve dut for hairloss

>> No.10148506

I've noticed my hairline receding, so I just took the plunge and went with a buzz cut.
People actually say that I legitimately look better now than I did with long thick hair (I know it's not just family and friends being nice to me either, since I also got opinions from people here). Not saying it's for everyone, but you should at least consider a buzz if you have hair problems.

>> No.10148522

>>10148475
You've been given an early pass to manhood. An early reminder that life isn't fair. A chance to be a leader, and you threw that away. You just fight and fight to hold on to one aspect of yourself - your hair.

Look at the chart in OP pic. When you get older your hairline will change, and your hair will thin in a certain pattern depending on your genetics NO MATTER WHAT, but YOU WILL NOT NECESSARILY go bald

Take it from someone who is 26 with no signs of balding - I have to shave my head. Having the hair looks stupid! When I grow hair it looks like I'm wearing a wig because I have the face of a man but luscious youthful hair of a teen. The contrast is silly

Hopefully you get your priorities figured out one day

Oh, and if you think you're career as a musician isn't possible because of hair loss - your a joke and can just fuck off anyway

>> No.10148748

>>10148522
>26 with no signs of balding

fuck you, your opinion on balding is invalid.

until you have to deal with the anxiety and stress that comes with hair loss you can stick your feel good opinions up your ass

>> No.10148841

receding hairline is from stress
the crown/vertex is from genetics
full bald is from fapping to chinese cartoons all day

>> No.10148875

>>10146073
Yes. Once a day every day.

>> No.10148886

>>10148488
I must have been really lucky to get so much regrowth so quickly. Maybe because I noticed quickly while others have allowed follicles to permanently die by going on fin too late.

>> No.10148899

>>10148886
what was the first thing you noticed and how long did you wait before starting the drug?

>> No.10148917

>>10148748
eh that's a fallacy. I have a shit tier hairline and will probably go bald in mid/late twenties.

I understand the feeling of panic you described, but maybe it's better to try to not worry so much about how you look. it probably won't make you any happier. I don't know im tryna figure this shit out

>> No.10148932

>>10148506
I feel like this approach is probably less cuck

>> No.10148935

>>10148932
yeah, me too.
i've read a lot of the stuff on hair loss forums and after a while it occurs to you that the majority of those guys are probably like in their mid 30s with no career and no wife/girlfriend, just a lot of time on their hands to think about hair loss. the only way to truly deal with hair loss is to just accept it and get on with your life.

>> No.10148939

it seems that most of the serious side effects occur shortly after quitting finasteride, not while taking it. hopefully none of the guys in this thread who are taking it have to deal with anything.

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>>10148935
Yeah for sure. Anxiety every day about maintaining your physical appearance is no way to live. Im gonna go for the one flew over the cuckoos nest a few more years and then buzz it.

>> No.10148959

>>10148942
yeah nice one. i think /fa/ worries way too much about hairlines, when in reality you can be like a norwood 4 and still look good.

>> No.10148978

like just cus you have a shit hairline doesn't mean your gonna be bald before you're like old. There's a bunch of people in like their 40s-50s who've had shit hairlines from when they were like 20 and it hasn't changed that much since. Honestly i'd never thought about hairlines before i started browsing /fa/. Like i get balding like costanza style looks shit but fuck it's not gonna happen to most people just cus they have shit hairlines. And if it does get that bad you just fucking shave it.

>> No.10148988

look at deakin from anco, he's got a shit hairline and volume but it looks exactly the same now as it did like 10-15 years ago if you look at photo

>> No.10149168

>>10148988
i think you underestimate how many people take finasteride or minoxidil or something

>> No.10149267

Does nizoral actually do anything or is it a meme shampoo

>> No.10149277

>>10149267
i've been using it with minoxidil for 5 months (started on fin 1 month ago). hard to say of course but it feels like it does absolutely nothing at all. i still use it though as it's a good anti dandruff and it makes your hair feel nice. worth getting tbh if you're would be using anti dandruff shampoo anyway. you can only use it 2-3 times a week though

>> No.10149347

>>10149267
Works great for dandruff.

>> No.10150394

>>10148475
Generation /fa/

>> No.10150629

are you guys putting minox on your hairline

it says not to do that but i have heard of it happening

>> No.10151345

>>10150629
Everyone does it
Go on hairlosstalk forums and look at the 'success stories' forum
Keep in mind these are best case scenario typically.
The box instructs you to only apply to vertex because that's the part they clinically tested.
Testing the front would require another set of expensive clinical trials.
Also the front is much more sensitive to dht but it doesn't mean it won't work

>> No.10153721

bump

>> No.10153777

I'm balding and I honestly don't give a shit, but goddamn, other people do

>> No.10153930

>>10153777
i'm balding and i give a massive shit tbh, it makes me feel like crap on a daily basis and has done for years

>> No.10154045

>>10143058
Living in sin

>> No.10154076

hair loss in males is a sign of high testosterone.
which is probably why it's not /fa/ since people who obsess over fashion are unapproachable manlets/cucks

>> No.10154097

I miss baldchan :^(

>> No.10154181

r/tressless is a decent resource for anyone wanting more info on this btw

>> No.10154236
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10154236

It has more to do with genetics than any other factor by far, let's take Arnold Schwarzenegger as an example.

For his whole adult life he has been on an unrelenting schedule of constantly lifting weights and taking self proclaimed massive amounts of steroids essentially maxing out his androgen receptors which will in fact has put him in the fast lane to losing hair.

Yet at 67, he still has about the same amount of hair as some unlucky 40 something's.

>> No.10154246

>>10154181
>any hairloss forum
>decent resource
Topkek. Hairloss forums are the most pathetic/depressing thing on the Internet. Everything that needs to be said about hairloss is: buy Fin or Minox or both and use it and see if it works and no matter what, live a happy life.

>> No.10154319

>>10154246
yeah i can agree with that, lots of people there saying they want to kill themselves but also through there i found where to get a years supply of fin for £30 so i see it as a decent resource. also decent doesn't mean good

>> No.10154435

>>10144018
Won't know until it happens. If it's symmetrical then you have hair loss. If it's asymmetrical then you may have something else that can be treated. A dermatologist will tell you if you're uncertain.

>>10146822
Sounds like me. My hair was thick and super curly, everyone else in my family had thin, straight hair (inb4 illegitimate child) and no one at least within the past four generations have had any hair loss on either side. At about 25 my hair started thinning, five years later it's just thinner but I haven't lost any hair.

I said fuck it and started shaving my head. Not everyone has the head or look for it. Thankfully it works for me.

Nowadays with a DE razor, shaving soap and shaving brush I quite enjoy shaving my head. So much so I do it every day now rather than every other day like I did with a cartridge razor.

>> No.10154579

>>10143058
being male

>> No.10154892

>>10154246
what about penis enlargement forums? are they more pathetic/depressing?

>> No.10155080

post yer hairlines
i bet some of you motherfuckers aren't even balding, just overreacting to the post puberty receding

>> No.10155087

There are 3 causes:

-DHT production -- which is genetic and the leading cause of hair-loss
-Very high levels of stress
-Radiation

>> No.10155194

I'm 24 with a perfect hairline. My dad is 54 with a perfect hairline and not a gray hair on his head. What is the likelyhood of me balding and when will it start. Please /fa/ I'm so scared.

>> No.10155541

>>10154076
wrong
>>10154181
tressless is not a good place. dudes there are willing to do ANYTHING to save their hair because they are probably literal 3/10s and will go down to 1/10s without hair. r/bald, while still full of ugly dudes, is much better

>> No.10155580

>>10155194
What about your mom's dad?

>> No.10155671

My hair loss doesn't match any of those types..

>> No.10155675

>>10155671
That's because you're a special snowflake.

>> No.10156109

>>10155671
what is your hair loss like?

>> No.10156804

>>10143058
lack of cash generally makes your hair fall out