/fa/ - Fashion

>>9765548
I hope it changes people's buying habits. Brand ethics is something I feel is very important and needs to change. Not only is it unethical to pay people peanuts to make clothes in atrocious working conditions but without a doubt, clothes made by people paid a decent wage working in a decent environment are better quality. The extra pay means more pride in the job and better quality control. I sometimes wish we still lived in a time where clothes, shoes ect. were made locally and would last a lifetime. Sure you would pay a fair bit more for it but hell, buying one pair of good quality, ethically made boots is worth 20 pairs of ZARA knockoffs.
People need to get out of the mindset that a T-shirt should cost $3.00. It's an item of clothing, not a packet of gum. It should cost you more and will in turn last longer.

If it gets covered in shows like Oliver's or Stewart's there's a higher chance of people actually giving a fuck.

Say people overnight stopped buying fast fashion, what happens to the people making the clothes? The problem is so huge at this point, if we are talking about ethics, it's not enough to just pull out. Everyone has contributed to this, we have all relied on cheap clothes.

>>9766324
there are no ethical consumers in global capitalism.

>>9766343
):

I won't lie, I started lurking here about a month ago, because I thought it was time I've started caring about how I present myself. I'm overweight and I've started losing weight consistently, so I figured it was time also started boosting my self confidence by presenting myself better.

I can say confidently, you guys dress well.

I can also say confidently, I will never pay more than 100 dollars for shoes, 25 dollars for a t-shirt, 30 dollars for an overshirt, 30 dollars for a pair of pants, 10 dollars for a pack of socks, 100 dollars for a jacket, or 60 dollars for a sweatshirt or sweater.

It simply isn't worth more than that.

You know Oliver's running out of topics when he touches on fashion.

>>9766369
Shoes are deffo worth it the rest I understand.

>>9766369
It's no different than paying for any other hobby in my opinion. If someone is going to spend 4-5 hundred dollars on a gaming console or new piece of technology, why wouldn't I pay the same for something I like and actually care about? My expensive pieces of clothes will probably outlive any new tech anyway.

>>9766369
Just kill yourself already you fat fuck.

I never understood what you guys mean by quality, what the fuck are you doing with your clothes that they need to be so rigid?

Shoes and jackets should be your most valuable items imho.

BUT if I can cop jeans from Bershka for $5, sweaters from Zara for $10 I'll fucking do it, nothing can beat their sales. I don't care if they only last 1 year, they last even longer but I don't mind changing my wardrobe every season and donating my clothes.
I mean if you can, great but if you're saving up for 5 months to buy a sweater then there's a problem.

>>9766369
I'm sort of with you, though my price ceiling is a bit higher for everything. Especially shoes. Shoes are a big investment. I do feel like a lot of people on /fa/ overpay for a lot of what they wear due to designer labels and markups. but it certainly is ridiculous how little some things cost compared to what the cost of materials and labor would be. I feel like there are very few articles of clothing which are sold at actual value--cheap stuff is under value because of near-slave labor, and designer stuff is hideously marked-up in cost.

>>9766369
You can look fine that way, but you won't find immense quality in that range unless you only buy used forever.

Good cashmere feels awesome and you can tell, so do silk and rayon and other fabrics. Some of the more expensive things have better construction.(note: some).

The difference is, you use fashion as a means to an end, to look better, and feel good, and there's nothing wrong with that, but many of us(myself included) find fashion fascinating, look forward to new collections, what designs theyre gonna use, what materials, etc

It becomes somewhat of an artform. and there is a premium to that. You also have to realize that when you buy a 25$ shirt, that it was inspired after a long line of trickling down from the 200$+ shirts. probably a year or more after the original was made. Zara, H&M, and PacSun, oh and urban outfitters are especially guilty of this. I wonder how many more jerseys with 00 on the back i'm gonna see 2 years after Givenchy made the hentai one(correct me if i'm wrong)

so yeah you pay for name, but you also pay for the form, quality, and design. and of course markup.

again, theres nothing wrong if you dont want to, just dont think its because of some moral high ground.

>>9766380
It's not just standing up to general use, it's maintaining the look of being near-new, and it's the way the material feels, and how comfortably it bends and stretches, and how well the clothing fits on your body (which of course varies from person to person, but if it matches a reasonable average body, that's good).

>>9766369
If you actually care about the way you look and want to present yourself well,you'll eventually spend more. Maybe not on tees and shirts but pants,outerwear, and shoes you'll find it very difficult to purchase something of quality that isn't over your set limits. I guess you could shop solely at Zara, H&M and any other cheap retailer but you will be buying garments just about every season because they will fall apart after that. I like having my pieces for a while and know that I don't have to worry about it falling apart. If you don't feel the same then I guess that's fine just know you'll probably he spending more overtime than someone who buys a nice piece and doesn't have to replace it.

>>9766403
Most people itt seem too fucking dense to understand that apparently.

>>9766369
Your ideas of what clothes are worth are heavily influenced by low prices made possible by slave labor. We are so used to paying nothing for disposable clothing that we may scoff at paying a decent amount of money for for clothing. I certainly used to feel that way. I felt paying a premium for fashion was for suckers.

The uncomfortable truth is that in order for you to maintain that position, you need other humans to suffer. You may not want it to happen, and most likely, you don't even think about it, but these are prices made possible by human suffering.

This of course is not limited to fashion. Most everything we get cheap is because someone was paid nothing (McDonald's etc). This is how the vast majority of wealth is controlled by such an amazingly low percentage of the population. It's not Rick Owenses of the world at the top of the food chain, it's the ZARAs. People fuck over their workers in order to get Joe Shmoe hooked on their cheap products. The most money they pay is given to creatives so that they can use their talents to keep their brand fresh looking and in the public conscious.

The extra irony is that cheap solutions are almost always bad for you in some way. I think this argument can definitely be made foe fashion, but I wont get into it.

Their needs to be a change. I'm personally sick of the way things work, and feel guilty for my contribution to all this bullshit. So I've decided to dedicate all my free time to fighting tumblr feminists. The world needs to know how ILLOGICAL they are.

>>9766395
Here's your correction: Givenchy made a shirt that says Pervert with the number 17. The shirt you're referencing is from internet culture digesting that design

>>9766417
Also wanted to say it kind of proves your point

>>9766369
bump your price range up a tiny bit and you've got it bud

>>9766398
People who just see lots fit pics online don't understand how great garments made from quality fabrics look and how shitty it reveals fast fashion to be despite trendy cuts

>>9766414
I'm glad you said that part about Rick. People think he and other designers are making some huge fucking profit off their collections. Of course they are making a fairly large profit but so much if that goes into the next show and to further their brand. High fashion designers make a good amount of money but nothing like the fast fashion ceos. Plus I would argue the money they are making is earned infinitely more than any fast fashion company.

It's weird to see liberal media churn the Indignation Machine.

>>9765548
jon oliver just panders to the same audience as jon stweart

poorly educated, wannabe intellectuals
they just side with liberal ideals because "that's what smart people do" and when at starbucks just parrot whatever mainstream liberal ideal is hot that week to pat themselves on the back

the more tumblr SJW types go for for rachel maddow and her nonsensical shit

but it doesn't change the fact that the people who subscribe to these ideals presented in programming are merely just sheep who want to laugh along with "what everyone else is doing and thinking"

with that said

discussing the topic at hand

my opinion is no, these people don't have a lot of money. Liberals in general are low income/no income low/no assets types hence they all support welfare, public education and student loan reform types of policies. big government is just a side effect of liberals crying for more services to improve the dismal lives they live in.

they cannot afford "ethical brands"
and they fall for green washing marketing schemes

wise consumers liberals are not

educated and well versed in various aspects of life in order to determine ethical practices in goods production liberals are not

hype, trend driven and fear motivated liberals are.

if you tell them the world is goingto implode due to global warming unless they buy a prius

they will buy a prius

if you tell them that banning all gunz ever will stop all school shootings they will vote for whatever ear-marked profit motivated bill you want them to.

>>9766491
I don't like Jon Oliver, but these are just facts

>>9766524
See, this guy knows his shit. SJWs, man. Goddamn.

>>9766464
There are big names having financial struggles for sure.

The best profit typically lies in accessories, fragrances(maybe shoes?) etc. not clothes, although that does depend a lot between different designers/brands.


I recall reading about it a while back but does anyone know how designer markups compare to fast-fashion ones? I read something on fashionspot about it a while back and apparently the margins are very similar.

tbh I think the size of the fast-fashion industry is inasane, I believe h&m alone sells more than 600 000 000 items every year.. and they aren't even the largest lol(up there though)

They're also the worlds largest consumer of cotton

To you guys shopping at fast-fashion stores, how often do you need to replace your items? also do you sometimes just buy what's trendy and throw it away(or stuff it furthest into the closet) after a few wears?

>>9766524
So liberals are dumb.

Well done sieg, you figured it all out! For a minute I thought you were just a drooling faggot but you really are smart!

You have a heart of gold, don't let them take it from you!

>>9766524
Good job you wrote and bunch of bullshit that everyone already knew. Good for you buddy

>>9766324
>Say people overnight stopped buying fast fashion, what happens to the people making the clothes?

I'm actually curious what happens once there aren't more places to make stuff for dirt cheap, obviously it's mostly done in Asia right now but I think it will start to gradually pass over to Africa at some point. I know h&m has started doing that already.

hypothetically sooner or later all countries will have decent living standards and wages, what happens to fast-fashion at that point?

>>9766581
They begin to firm their own businesses and actually begin to develop their own country instead of being completely dependent on others. If everyone becomes developed to the point where they can worry about the working standards then I would guess that everyone would see the affects fast fashion has on the people but also the planet. Then I would assume that a more locally based clothing system would come about with less and less focus on outsourcing labor. I don't think you could ever completely eradicate cheap clothing but if they were to stop outsourcing and bring labor to home then I'm sure wages would go up as well as equality because if you're the one making your own clothes you wont make a piece that falls apart in less than a year.That is assuming that all of the middle east, Africa, and all other very underdeveloped areas could reach this level of development in a reasonable time.

>>9766524

This seems like a good thread to ask, what are some companies the manufacture only in North America? I'm asking about NA specifically because I'm not interested in buying imported goods no matter what country they are from even if it is a brand like nonative that manufactures in Japan or something similar in Europe, my reasoning is I would rather buy a tomato from down the street than one shipped in from Chile.

I know Reigning Champ and Wings and Horns are made in Canada besides the shoes which are made in Italy.

>>9766689

shitty apparrel

>>9766689

Pointer, Rogue Territory, LL Bean, Red Wing.
Go nuts.

>>9766703
I'm looking for brands that don't do any importing for their brands at all, just because llbean and redwing are American companies does not mean their merchandise is. Are you picking up what I'm putting down here?

>Jon Oliver
respect yourself

>>9766717
llbean makes the bean boots in america from american materials

the other shit is not

redwing, and pointer are the same way

but if you buy american everything your aesthetic will be VERY traditional work wear oriented due to the nature of american clothes