/fa/ - Fashion

>>9554359
>just now realizing 95% of the population is pleb as fuck

What if they're actually right and we just can't see it?

>>9554371
you're retarded if you think any form of art is objective

>I would make them much nicer clothes

kek

>going to a fashion show to ogle the models
They're there to present the clothing without any influences like big breasts or thick thighs.
Just go to a high dollar strip club if you want that shit.

>>9554359
>people who aren't into fashion don't understand high fashion
wow thanks op you blew my mind I cum on cat she hiss at penis i had black labrador i cum so hard at him now I have dalmatian

you fucking salad, OP

the one mistake you did was reading the comments on YouTube

they are infamous everywhere.

lurk more

>>9554389
God damn, this.

>>9554382
Actually it could be nice to see some of the dress on more curvacious model.
Sewing a dress for a ironboard chick is easy mode, managing to make something decent looking and perfectly fitting for a fatty is the real challenge.

>>9554402
Back to mfa

>>9554402
kill yourself fat fuck

It's probably some 15 year olds making these comments, you're just giving them the attention they want

>>9554410
I say that from a seamstress POV.
Of course being super thin is the best if you want to be fa/, as everything but form fitting slut dresses is going to look good on you.
But sometimes you want something a bit more challenging like a cow-titted grill.

>>9554375

Weight isn't art, the way you walk isn't art, the faces you make aren't art... You can be objective about these things, and yes I think some art forms can be "objective" such as literature, not that it matters since I don't think fashion is art to begin with.

>>9554402

>curvacious model

what does this mean?

>>9554432
A chubby girl with tits and a butt and a waist. Like Liv Tyler for example..

Because skinny girls are hot and homie ain't down with the thickness.

>>9554428
you really have no idea how art works

>>9554442
>not liking both

>>9554455

Brilliant. You're right.

I've been studying this since before your testies dropped, don't bother.

>>9554428

>design isn't art

how fucking dense are you jesus christ

>>9554359
They think of fashion as function that incidentally looks good instead of art.

>>9554468
If you actually had been studying it, you'd know why everything you said is retarded.

>>9554469
>design is only art when it's in the form of some abstract geometric shit

how's high school treating ya?

>>9554380

>>9554479
Damn you're dumb

>>9554479
>strawman

I dunno you tell me :)

>Implying all of you aren't arguing like high schoolers

>>9554458
There is only one that you could actually admit to dating without being ashamed.

>>9554479
thats a nice assumption friend

>>9554469

i agree, fashion can be very beautiful and even 'artistic' just as cars, buildings, furniture... but they're primarily utilitarian products, unlike paintings, plays, sculptures... do you think potato chip packages are art? i mean, they were "designed" right?

>>9554490
>Implying your friends wouldn't high five you for hitting this

>>9554499
who's this semen demon

>>9554478

Oh no, please explain thoroughly.

>>9554498
i think it's a bit ignorant to just say "oh fashion isn't art because it has a mainly ultilatrian purpose"

i think that doesn't do justice to the artists in the field of fashion

to say what the Comme Des Garcons camp is doing isn't art i think does that them great disservice also i don't think all fashion's primary goal or purpose is utilitarian, look at couture or really any runway fashion these aren't exactly practically designed items, they seem to be definitely aimed at aesthetics over function

Plato was right

>>9554499

this is just your average basic bitch college titcow, i would fuck her but i wouldn't take pride in it, unlike dating a real master race fashion model

>>9554359
Will Valentino now become a mainstream pleb tier luxury brand?

>>9554518
Well, what did that fucker said?

>>9554532
"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams"
- Plato

>>9554517

>i think it's a bit ignorant to just say "oh fashion isn't art because it has a mainly ultilatrian purpose"

why?

the fact that something isn't art doesn't mean that it can't be amazingly beautiful, intricate, artistic... it's no disservice

halloween costumes are also aimed at aesthetics over function, do you think they're art?

>>9554359
implying /fa/ isn't made up of these people

have you seen the zara lookbook that is modern day waywt?

>>9554517

Where do you draw the line? What makes couture art but not clothes from Walmart? At the end of the day couture is sold and most of it is meant to be worn as well, it's just more exclusive

>>9554545
costuming absolutely can be art
halloween costumes ehhhh, maybe depends
the mass produced walmart tier crap, probably not

i am biased in terms of costuming as art my grandmother was a professor of costuming and what she did was absolutely without a doubt art

>>9554568

>the mass produced walmart tier crap, probably not

why not? this is like saying music stops being art the moment it becomes popular or appears on mtv

>>9554582
>>9554562
>>9554545

fam u got me thinking

i gotta reevaluate some shit

>>9554582
The music you're talking about is well polished, meanwhile walmart clothes are done out of shitty material with shitty finitions.

>>9554582
>>9554562
>>9554545
>>9554606
lol...the stickmen I draw in class while not paying attention is art now?

>>9554484
>>9554487

>criticize his uninformed a of what constitutes art, infer that he has an rudimentary understanding of art, design, the creative process involved in both. Lel, what a strawman.

>LOL U R STUPAD, HURRDURR

damn kiddies

anyway, i finished brewing my tea so I'm back.

>>9554617
yes, yr actually a genius dadaist lmao

>>9554634
oops
>*criticize his uninformed opinion of what constitutes art, infer that he has an rudimentary understanding of art, design, the creative process involved in both. Lel, what a strawman.

>>9554640
still a hell of an assumption

>>9554635
damn time to drop out and make art history I guess. All those art teachers who said I was crap, they will be sorry... SO sorry

>>9554614

irrelevant

>>9554442
Skinny girls are cute. Curvy girls are hot.

FAT IS NOT CURVY.

>>9554499
>implying i would tell them anyways
i try my best to never brag about myself and dont talk about personal stuff

>>9554522
Where the hell do you live that she is typical?

>>9554649


If you believe you're being misunderstood, defend yourself in a substantial way. don't just keep repeating "that's one hell of an assumption". you're being unnecessarily evasive and it's doing you any favors.

>>9554678

have you ever been to college?

>>9554545
that's false equivalence, my friend.

Fashion has many functions. All occurring within a context.

>>9554689
Most of 4chan is in college, don't be retarded. You're dodging the question.

>>9554678
lol ever been outside?

>>9554694
>Most of 4chan

bullshit

>>9554698
Most of 4chan is male, between the ages of 18 and 24, and works for small wages and/or takes classes. NEETs are slighted for a reason. Moot releases demo data all the time, educate yourself.

>>9554697
If she were the norm, that image wouldn't be as viral as it is. Backtrack it and you'll see it's a consistent repost not only here but practically anywhere on the internet. You're an idiot.

>>9554707
>demo data all the time,

how large is the sample size of people used to determine these statistics?

there's too many unknowns here, I don't feel confident about this.

>>9554568
>>9554545
my high-school art teacher (many years ago) told our class that art has to have a message/statement. obviously walmart crap doesn't have a statement because it is purely functional.

tbh i don't know if i agree with my art teacher's perspective but i wanted to share the point of view

>>9554707

it's a 1000 times more likely to see a girl like that on the street than a girl that looks like a fashion model, i don't even know what your point is anymore

>>9554730
>art has to have a message/statement

I agree, but there's more to it.

McQueen's collections, for example. They're not just intricate, bespoke clothing but they are statements as well.

>>9554730
No, art must have no function other than itself.

>>9554778

what's the statement?

>>9554778
>McQueen's collections, for example. They're intricate, bespoke clothing and statements as well.

i need to reread the shit i 'm writing b4 i post more often

>>9554359

I think by insulting everyone who doesn't join you in drinking the Kool-Ade, you are at least as much of a simpleton as they are.

Pro tip: Haute couture runway is largely a giant in-joke and you aren't in on it.

>>9554730
>>9554778

these lighters are statements as well, are they art?

>>9554797
>There were those who found his picture of women with sex-doll lips and sometimes painfully theatrical costumes ugly and misogynistic.

^
From the little summary on style.com

He's parodying his fashion conscious audience. He's often alluded to the impression he has of fashion industry. He's said that fashion to be him is "storytelling" and all about theatrics, he didn't appear to enjoy the pretentious attitudes of his customers.

"You want me to create something edgy and sexy? Perhaps something the those wishing to flaunt that wealth would lust after? Here it is, my interpretation of the modern woman in all her vulgar glory."

>>9554797
>>9554797
>There were those who found his picture of women with sex-doll lips and sometimes painfully theatrical costumes ugly and misogynistic.

^
From the little summary on style.com

His work is parodying his fashion conscious audience. He's often alluded to the impression he has of fashion industry. He's said that fashion to him is "storytelling" and all about theatrics. He didn't appear to enjoy the pretentious attitudes of his customers.

"You want me to create something edgy and sexy? Perhaps something that those wishing to flaunt their wealth would lust after? Here it is, my interpretation of the modern woman in all her vulgar glory."

>>9554820
the lighters *aren't* a statement, they are a tool. i suppose my teacher oversimplified. i guess going off her line of thinking, art primarily exists for its message, while non-art primarily exists for other reasons. for 'art' that is functional, i would say if the message is more important than the function, then it is truly 'art'. my use of 'message' includes just being beautiful for the sake of beauty.

what is art?????

>>9554873

>for 'art' that is functional, i would say if the message is more important than the function

so you agree then that fashion in general isn't an art form, since 99% of the pieces aren't deep extravagant political statements, they're just normal pretty clothes like this

>>9554947
i don't know, where do you draw the line between form and function? as i said a 'message' can just be beauty, so political statements aren't necessary. i think if the thought put into the form outweighs the thought put into the function then it could be 'art'. of course, you have to draw the line somewhere, and i don't feel comfortable doing that. also i don't really believe in what i am saying, i am just trying to explore this perspective

>>9554979

well i don't believe it either

a company can sell vegan snacks and put lots of thought into the packaging and put a vegan message on it but at the end of the day it's just a bag of chips

beauty isn't a message, it's too vague to be anything, a flat screen tv can be beautiful, it isn't art though, and neither is fashion

>>9554778
anons please disreguard every word this dude is spouting

it's nonsense with keywords

mcqueen was a failed tailor who resorted to theatrics to make a name for himself in costuming and sold it as haute couture to the mainstream

>>9554873

So one of the parameters of defining art that my fellow curators like to toss around is that it has no practical or functional value. This puts clothing and crafts in the design category (and not art), but jewelry in more of a gray area.

Is it important to declare fashion an art? The word doesn't in itself carry any value judgment. There's bad art. There's brilliant design. Etc.

>>9555072
>mcqueen was a failed tailor who resorted to theatrics to make a name for himself

someone's incredibly jealous, aren't they? He enjoyed enormous success and was one of the most celebrated designers of our era. what do you know about bespoke apparel?


and here you are, trying to rouse a "depressed" chick.

Truly deplorable.

>>9554792
here
>>9554850

>>9555106
you don't have depression, you're a bubbly weeb idiot transplant from /cgl/ who is trying to go "goth" thinking that kids your age into CCP like it

>>9554402
Plus sized fashion shows already exist, and I'm sure the designers interested in that are already involved in it. Please post a picture of something you've made before telling a layman what is and what isn't a challenge

>>9555117
You're still an ugly troll, sieg. Time to retire.

>>9554359
Does every form of media need to have a fat chick and a minority in it to appease the masses?

>>9555142

>>9555138
guess it's time to retire when someone less attractive comes around to take your spot under the bridge

go ahead TM....go ahead

>>9555150

>>9555150
tubby pls go

>>9555174
>tubby

is it you anon?! i miss you ;D

>>9555160
>>9555174
elementary samefagging

why do you still post here? go plz

this thread is full of people attempting to criticize definitions of art by bringing up kitschy shit that satisfies the definition but is essentially "bad" or "tacky" or "ugly" other "negative aesthetic descriptor"

what this form of criticism fails to address is that there can be tacky or ugly art. there can be bad art. art does not have to be refined or of masterful quality (unless that's inherent to the proposed definition). no matter how you define art, you will find pieces that are undoubtedly art but that either disagree with your definition or at least your aesthetics. you have to make room for a definition of art to include "bad art". this is pretty fucking basic shit, like, art history 101 shit.

who here rofled at this thread? ｡ﾟ(ﾟ＾ਊ＾ํ )ﾟ｡

>>9555178
mhmm, yes, quite so, quite so, old man. yes.

you will regret this here actions, ya balmy toad. i swear on me mum!

>>9554694
>Most of 4chan is in college
>mfw
Most of 4chan is in high school. That should be extra clear based on how people choose to dress here on /fa/.

>>9554614
Far from all music is well polished. Slap some autotuned bitch on a mainstream beat and bam you've got yourself a hit song.

>>9555195
every time i respond to you i get the feeling that i am purposefully stepping in dog shit

you're the dog shit of /fa/

just fucking worthless

>>9554499
>Implying you have confidence when you need confirmation

>>9555264
youve done me in for sure this timr, toady(･_･、)


my...last wishes...are....are....that /fa/ cherished the very memory of my tepid attempts at debating

plz...

>>9554682
You're literally retarded he said X and for some reason you think he said Y, then criticize him for saying Y and when he says that you're making a hell of a assumption you ask him to defend him and Y opinion.. Maybe he said Y somewhere else idk but if he didn't this is a retarded conversation

>>9555314
>>9555264
both of you just fucking leave. /fa/cist is the only good tripfag here

>>9555342
He's likely the only one actually worth of tripping, there's a few that's better than the average poster at least but half of them are nothing but shitposting attentionwhores.

>>9555342

yeah but he's gay

>>9555337
> he said X and for some reason you think he said Y

the fuck are u talking abot? Is your own reading comprehension that bad?
He was arguing that fashion isnt totally utilitarian and that it could be 3edgy5me avant garde bullshit too which seemed to imply that there was a distinct lack of creativity involved in making most clothes. The same creativity and innovation present in creative endeavors and shit is present in clothing design, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. People have been adorning their bodies for millenia. Prehistoric women choose partners who could create the most elaborate and impressive handaxe. Therr was intention and messages behind these creations.

now go talk to someone more on ur fucking level turbopleb

>>9555264

In all fairness, you might be the only trip here that would cause most of us to experience visceral, physical revulsion should we encounter you in real life.

As shitposty as this place has become I don't entirely understand why you think it needs a representative from the body odor / diabetes segment of the population.

>>9554364
>he doesn't know what plebs are

Are you just now realising how retarded you sound?

>>9554359
>>I'm sorry, but there's more to this world than being really-really good looking.

that's just a Zoolander reference.

>waaa why can't anyone be a pretentious teen like me

-r/fa

>>9555399
>>9555399
The aforementioned creations are art, in case you couldn't arrive to that conclusion on ur own.

>>9554428
you are an idiot
art can literally be anything

>>9554359
Did you include the movie reference as obtuse bait?

>>9555337

This

>>9555647
see
>>9555399
and please fuck off, you little shits can't get any more repulsive. Did your mothers drink alcohol while pregnant or something? Holy fucking shit, please die.

>>9555635

if art can "literally" be anything then art doesn't exist

>>9555779
art anything you create with the intention of appealing to some sense

>Art is a diverse range of human activities and the products of those activities, usually involving imaginative or technical skill.

>n. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium

fashion is artistic, i.e pleasing to the senses by the sheer fact out clothes are revelatory and meaningful, whether plain and ugly or not.

I don't know if my view is one that's particularly popular or not but yes, fashion can be art.

>>9555856
*by the sheer fact that our

and to make this clear. I WAS MOCKING VERSACE, don't put that much thought in my derisive bullshit.

ugh i feel queasy from having to write out "versace" ...god you people...

>>9555869
here's some fucking "art" for you assholes

>>9554359
ben stiller is shit
owen wilson is shit
zoolander was shit
zoolander 2 will be shit

fuck whoever allowed them to pay for the promo to be be taken at that show

makes me more angry than the fucking comments

>>9554402
>>>tumblr
>>>mfa
>>>fedoralounge

just go away

>>9554509
k

The attributes you used for an example all have artistic value an merit based on the audience and artist. It's not up to you to determine what is/isn't art, it's your opinion if you don't like it/don't get it/are a little bitch.

It's just like the fags who pretend they like Classical music who hate modern music. It's simply, "muh superiority." In fact, you can't even accurately criticize something, you have to resort to undoing it. Think about all the stupid Americans who say the same thing. They don't understand so they attempt to remove it from any facet of understanding. Everyone else, in their mind, is just trying to sound edgy or smart by liking it.

You can also appreciate art without liking it, that's one of the cool things about art.

Continue to make ridiculous claims further proving you actually don't know what you're talking about.

>>9554730
Does your teacher not have a grasp of post modernism or Avant Garde?

>>9555962
>being assmad about a fun, funny publicity stunt
>have shit taste
leave fa faggot
>>9555984
I believe that most precure modernism makes the statement of what. and what isn't objectively functional in a post revolutionary society. The united States of America have been occupying this movement for some years now, and I look froward to what art brings to the political world in the next few years. Gay people are bad.

>>9555962
I bet you're a really boring and or annoying person

>OMG they're all ugly flat chested sluts. And they have terrible taste in fashion. Does everybody in Europe wear such lame clothes and suck dick?

I fucking hate white social media girls

>>9555996
>>9556000
if it wasn't shitty actors promoting a shitty movie then I wouldn't care

if i went to a fashion show, i would be interested in the clothes not a sequel to garbage and would be angry for the time they took away from me

>>9554359
every-time i see this faggot i want to tell him to fly away with ears and take his shitty movies with him

>>9556053
That is a shitty reference and you should be ashamed for feeling superior because of it

>>9554499
If I fucked a filthy fat kike such as that Id do my best to keep it a secret from my friends.

>>9554499
Disgusting, I can tell from her fatness that her pussy absolutely stinks of armpits and piss

>>9554499
Flabby spic. No thanks.

>>9556066
it's not a shitty reference its making fun of his ears

what does this have to do with feeling superior

he's a bad actor who makes bad movies along with owen wilson

>>9555978

Wow! You're a huge idiot. The saddest thing is that you probably don't even suspect it.

None of those attributes have any artistic value as such, they can acquire some significance within the context of a work of art, such as a painting, but not by themselves.

You're such an idiot. Did I say fashion isn't art because I didn't like it? Did I say that was the reason? Because you wrote a whole paragraph on that. Fashion isn't art for the reasons that have been pointed out here already. Read the threat again if you still don't know what they are. The fact that I like/dislike it is irrelevant. Again, you're a fucking dumbass.

And yes, you can appreciate art without liking it. Did I say you could not? Who are you even responding to???

You say I don't know what I'm talking about and to "prove me wrong" you proceed to respond to a bunch of claims you imagined I made, thinking you're "teaching" me something, hahaha. I hope you realize how much of a fucking moron you are by now.

Are you fucks still going on with this?

why did you people have to derail my thread

all i wanted was a discussion on what these idiots on youtube were saying, not all this philosophical nonsense

go to /lit/ or something

>>9555978
>>9555926

>>9554489
Underrated, ya'll are no better

>thread about shit comments
>shit comments itt
Why we gotta be like this /fa/m?

>>9554359
fuck owen wilson and ben stiller

shitty fucking actors shitty fucking movie

>>9558310
agreed

>>9558310
>ben stiller
maybe
>owen wilson
nah man

>>9555041
What would you say about beautiful pieces of engineering, like ships, cars and jets...
Let's take the F22, Lockheed recently stopped producing that because it is too expensive and too flawed for the price.

The jet does meet its intention of being quick and deadly, but there are better jets out there.
The design especially is something I'd consider artistic, because it looks pretty beautiful.

Is the look of something irrelevant if it's parts function? I would say not at all, there are beautiful people and ugly people and ugly people are still people, serving a cause, maybe a 10/10 girl/boy is wasting their life away on drugs...they are not serving their purpose as intended, or maybe they do by looking good, maybe that is in fact art by itself, a sense of beauty that not necessarily every man can see.

Maybe appearance is even more important to most people than function, how else would the Apple products be such a success, they are in general flawed products, their design is mostly their selling point- therefore people who are buying it not only because of a mainstream appeal, are considering art and design for more important than function.


Think of it fucks

>>9558320
Name two /fa/ movies that Owen Wilson has been in.
We know you can name one. Everyone can.

I love the butthurt in this thread.

>fashion is super serious business

>>9559149
midnight in paris
darjeeling limited

>>9559149
is zoolander actually /fa/ though

>>9559196
you sick fuck, you call those movies?

>>9559196
he was in the royal tenenbaums but had a smaller role. midnight in paris is definitely great

>>9554432

>>9559216
>pic related
The type of MEN im into

>>9559216
that thong raises too high

>>9559226
shut the fuck up faggot.

>>9555869

yr upset about my trip? lmao
you kno whats really silly we agree more or less when it comes down to it

>>9559249
Your*

>>9554455
>>9554468
There isn't a clear definition of how art works and where you draw the line. Everyone's going to tell you different shit about what is and what isn't. It depends on the person, the artist, and their shared interaction with the piece. It can be or it can not be

>>9554640
when will finally be purged of shit trips

>>9555449
I think you might be autistic

>>9554673
This.
>tfw skinny gf
>tfw starting to miss the thickness
>no face for this feel

>>9559216
eh, nah, I'll stick to girls that look like boys

>>9554560
Please post a fit sieg
Please
Show us how it's done.

>>9561058
lol, so dumb, leave her and take a thick girl so that there are more skinny single chicks and less single chubsters

>>9559216>
The high test meme is so fucking real.
My dick can't handle those fucking thighs.

She'd have teeth marks on those tits for the rest of her life.

my knee is fucking up

>>9559216
this has to be shooped. I mean her hips are as wide as her fucking shoulders wow wtf

>>9554850
I've found a new appreciation for fashion shows.

>>9561171

you realize this 'statement fashion' is like 0.5% of fashion shows right?

>>9561119
That's rare but a real thing. They are never, ever single.

>>9554380
>that fucking fat bald guy to the right
kek

>>9561429

that's what they tell you so you can fuck off

>>9558285
Most people on here are sadly, no different from those "simpletons" they dislike.

>>9554820
They probably could be in a warhol-ean way. Shitty art, just missing intention.

I'd say Art is just something creative intended to be expression. Ofc runway shows can be art

>>9558310
>>9555962