/fa/ - Fashion

>>9321255
I'm pretty stoked on Olaf Hussein

>>9324090
It's actually SS14, but a lot of this collection be dropped in SS15

Ervell

>some raf ss15 is online
>500 dollar graphic t shirts
>the designs are topman tier
why raf, why

>>9324266
A lot of the t-shirt designs are pretty interesting, especially the white ones imo. You don't need to worry about the prices at all, except for specific items Raf always goes on sale
Why do you think the designs are Topman tier?

>>9324332
because you can make the same thing by overlaying 5 random photos in the free 30 day demo of Photoshop

Acne SS15

I guarantee this will be the next meme sweater on /fa/. Definitely gonna cop one for myself because it looks cozy as fuck.

>>9324332
also Raf Simons t-shirts are about the same quality as $10 Everlane or American Apparel t-shirts, so they're nowhere close to being worth $500

unless you feel a five minute mspaint job will make up the $490 price difference

>b-but they'll go on sale for $200 end of season so it's still really cheap!! and it's designer!!

if you're going to buy raf simons stuff get the sweater with the earth and spaceships and shit

>>9324379
this is the one

it's not ss15 but it's really cool and will still remain in style during ss15

a lot of fast fashion stores are making dip dye sweaters now so i don't see why you should spend money on the Raf Simons ones, especially as people who own them have complained about the very low quality (wrinkly collars, low tier fabric etc)

>>9324374
>>9324379
those shoes are amazing!

>>9324396
Yeah, they're new velcro shoes from Acne!! They're not out yet but you can buy them in 2015

>>9324379
>b-but they'll go on sale for $200 end of season so it's still really cheap!! and it's designer!!
..this isn't what I was getting at. I didn't say they were going to be 'cheap' at any point, I was saying that the initial price point doesn't matter for most of the products

>>9324371
Cool. I don't care much for Raf SS15 but some of the collages are pretty nice, and I like the white t-shirts

>>9324387
it's aw14. the quality on that sweatershirt is the same as on all his others, so if they're shit quality then this one is too. it is very wrinkly in person and the fabric could be described as 'low-tier', doesn't look like anything special. raf hasn't released any dip dyes for aw14 or ss15 though

>>9324379
>>9324387
i bet youve never handled raf simons clothes

>>9324412

Is it that obvious? I wish there were filtering available on the mobile site.

I like these

>>9324429

>>9324430

>>9324407
You just restated everything I said, but OK, at least you get it

>>9324412
Yeah I don't really think it would fit in my wardrobe so I don't own any obviously
Do you?

>>9324432

>>9324439

>>9324441

>>9324421
there is

>>9324445

>>9324449

>>9324374
Acne ss15 is weak

>>9324452

>>9324456

>>9324454
you're weak

>>9324459

>>9324462

>>9324466
OK great dude, stop posting the meme shoes we've all seen tens of times already

>>9324477


>/fa/ is a board that exists to please ME!! People have no right to post things they like!! The fact that I don't know anything about fashion is irrelevant, I decide what goes on around here!

How can you claim to have seen these ten times already? Nobody owns them. How can you call response trails meme shoes? About one fit has been posted with the 'gundam' colourway. Ever. Or do you think all rafidas are the same shoe?

Why don't you contribute and stop whinging?

>>9324484
this might just be the most accurate description of him ive ever read

>>9324484
If somebody has ever used the words meme shoe unironically you should filter them if possible.
In fact filter the phrase 'meme shoe' itself.

>>9324484
I'm not talking about seeing them in WAYWTs of course they're new, i'm not THAT dumb lol

But you/someone is always posting the same pics like >>9324459 in ALL the cop or not threads, ALL the sneaker generals, ALL the streetwear inspo and what not

Don't you have anything more original to contribute? no wonder people complain about /fa/ turning to a hugbox/hivemind

I miss 2008 /fa/

>>9324538
>I miss 2008 /fa/
Kid you stated that Raf pieces were poor quality while mentioning that you were going to buy an Acne piece lol... And then you go ahead and say that you haven't handled any Raf pieces... Get off your high horse you ignorant, dire cunt.

>>9324538
Because they're the only images available? I haven't been posting these around very much, but as far as I know they're the only ones that exist. If somebody wants to know if they should cop or not, are they supposed to make an image out of nowhere to please you? If somebody is posting these to the sneaker general to inform people/for advice, should they shit out a different image so you don't have to be bored any longer? Come on. You can't complain about me posting original content when all you do is talk about things you don't understand and post pictures of Cara. As far as I know these images haven't been posted before (>>9324462 >>9324466). Are you happy now?
How is /fa/ turning into a hugbox? It fucking isn't. It's always been a bit of a hivemind. If you've been here since 2008 you should know that.

>>9321255
m8 I'm still copping fw14 as much as I can

Copping these.

>>9324374
>>9324379
is this a fucking joke. everything is ill fitting and oversized to the point of looking comical. even the shoes are clowny.

>>9324612

>>9324387
that looks like a fucking print on demand shirt. WTF?

>>9324273
fuckye

>>9324612
not feeling the white laces or whatever, ugh

>>9324433
dont comment on things you dont know shit about,i own a ton of raf shirts including two from the current collection and they are extremeley well built and of high quality

>>9324627

Full memeochrome is necessary

I need some fucking shorts. I like the ones Rick make that aren't pod shorts with extreme drop crotch (can't remember their name right now) but am open to other suggestions. Any ideas?

>>9324538
kid you were probablly in your diapers in 2008 stop embarassing yourself, youve been called out on so many things so far and you still havent killed yourself,i wonder why

>>9324569
So you're saying I need to spend thousands of Raf Simons clothes just to be able to post about them? Wow lol you've got to be kidding me

People can talk about Lamborghinis and NASA rocket ships and can offer educated opinions on them without ever having been in one

Get off your high horse

>>9324700

Can they?

A huge part of knowledge is experience.

>>9324700
So you're comparing parts that may be compared through benchmarking, and therefore do not have to be seen in person to judge, to the material and build quality of a piece of clothing? Ok champ. If you spew nonsense about Raf pieces being of poor quality (which is completely false) while having never even handled any Raf pieces, I'm going to call you out on it. If you can't handle that, please refrain from posting bullshit in the first place. Thanks.

>>9324273
bateman core

>>9324712
And experience doesn't have to be first hand.

There are people who never fought in the American Civil War but could still tell you more about it than the people who were in it

>>9324714
Alright I believe you, relax buddy. I'm only saying that I read from here that raf simons is bad, but if it's not then ok

A lot of people lie here because they say Acne is as bad as H&M even though they don't own anything from Acne, and actually it's very good

>>9324615
It's AW14 Raf Simons
have you heard of him?

>>9324613
how's your first day on /fa/ going? it's called "fashion" if you haven't heard of it :^)

>>9324779
fuck off. ill fitting is the shittiest new trend in fashion. up till this point most things were form fitting or slim.

Judging by various runway shows SS15 is gonna be cool. I'll probably be copping a lot of rain gear and a few pairs of shorts/shirts as my spring and summer wardrobe is pretty bare.

>>9324768
Acne is "ok", certainly not H&M quality, that's hyperbole. It does leave a lot to be desired though in terms of textural play, uniqueness of stitching/build, and actual material quality; it's definitely not "very good". An example of a good midrange brand would be Our Legacy (around the same price as Acne, perhaps even slightly cheaper), as it does all of those things quite well.

>>9324801
Yes I admit that is true.

Acne Studios is not the cutting edge when it comes to pushing the limits of materials, proportions, designs etc. as some brands like MA+ have done. However, quality is not the only reason I buy clothes for, otherwise I would just wear clothes that are simply long-lasting and durable (LL. Bean, Carhatt etc come to mind)

I am a fan of Acne because their minimalist design philosophy resonates with me, and I feel comfortable having a wardrobe that is very simple yet thought-provoking.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, because I do not own any Raf Simons clothes and therefore have no right to judge you. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and to wear what they want.

>>9324785
you don't know very much about fashion do you?

>>9324897
I guess the main reason Acne is shitted on here isn't because of what it looks like, some of their stuff genuinely looks good. However Acne trys to portray itself as a higher mid range brand with subpar quality. I'd be very much okay with Acne if they didn't charge designer prices for subpar quality. If im playing as much as secondhand REAL designer prices for brand new Acne stuff it better have a reason for being just as much as second hand designer. But it doesn't. Hence why it's shit. Trying to charge designer prices for slightly better H&M quality and design shit.

>>9324613
you probably own selveged raws and redwings lmao

>>9324768
>I read from here that raf simons is bad

Yeah and you'll also read that it's good. You can't base your opinions off of one random anonymous person saying something, they also might not know what they're talking about. With clothing you really can only attest to the quality of something YOU have owned/handled

Personally, I've only owned Raf shoes, one pair of Portugal made velcros and one pair of RafxAdidas. Neither are fantasticly made but definitely leagues ahead of fast fashion stuff

Now im not going to come on here and talk like I know anything about Rafs clothes just because Ive got some shoes
Also btw dont buy Acne denim. Tried some Ace Cash out a while back could not tell the difference between them and my $40 uniqlo stretch denim

>>9324615
"I'm a huge pleb."

>http://www.style.com/fashion-shows/fall-2014-menswear/raf-simons

>>9324785
I pray that this is bait.

>>9324959
>>9324982
I agree with you entirely.

For example, a lot of Acne's knits are synthetic blends, and at their "casual luxury" price point you would certainly expect better materials like 100% wool. Also, I admit that alternatives to many of their simpler pieces can be found for much lower prices at fast fashion brands like Zara or Aritizia.

However like I said, Acne is one of my personal favorite labels. Their clothes are very clean but they never give off the impression of being "basic". They manage to get people to stop and look twice without being outlandish or garish at all, and that's what I like about them.

I know you can get better quality clothes from actual designers secondhand, but I would rather wear clothes that I'm comfortable with instead of trying to fit in with the ideals of an internet forum. But yeah, I completely respect the fact that not everyone is a fan of Acne.

>>9325040
surprisingly rational but

> they never give off the impression of being "basic". They manage to get people to stop and look twice without being outlandish or garish

what the fuck man, no one is stopping to look at black skinny jeans or a graphic tee, maybe their lookbook has stuff ugly enough to turn heads but thats not what 99% of acne consumers are buying

>>9324785
>new trend

>>9325040

man you are a living example of being a pleb. fuck you and your shitty brand acne. enjoy your overpriced crap.

>>9324583
also resu is in like every single thread I go in. If he wanted to stop seeing the same thing over and over maybe he should take a break from 4chan for a few minutes.

>>9325040
No one is looking twice at you when you're wearing full Acne... Maybe if you look like these ss15 models but that's not the attention you should want at least in my eyes. Like you said Acne is simple I would say basic but lets stay away from that right now, its not minimalist though. People who defend Acne always use that word and to this day none of them have actually proved through any method that Acne is minimalist. The designs are boring and basic that doesn't mean you can just slap some word on it so you feel can feel a little better about your cop. honestly now that I think about it Acne probably started charging more for their pieces because people started calling it minimalist like it was something special. Im going to tell you to stop wearing Acne if you like it that much but you need to realize its not as holy as you are making it seem. Lastly just so you know there are plenty of designers doing similar stuff to Acne but with much more inspired designs and higher quality.
>>9324982
Rafs quality has varied a ton. I cant speak to in depth because like you I haven't handled to much but from what I have even when he was in his fabled olden era some of his pieces were less than up to par. But also when he was sourcing his garments directly from Belgium they were truly amazing. Now its obviously still ok definitely better than Acne but not really comparable with other brands in a similar price range

Acne jeans are only good thing. I have owned Levis. April77 and Patrick Ervell jeans and Acne still takes the cake. Most everything is shit though.

>>9325047
Yeah I guess that was the wrong phrase to use. Of course, nobody is going to pay attention to a pair of indistinguishable skinny jeans.

Take for example Acne pistols - there's nothing about them that will attract attention like >>9324449. Still, I find them beautiful for the same reason why so many people like Common Projects.

The beauty is in the details. They're sleek - almost plain - and would not look out of place at all in your everyday wardrobe, but they still manage to give off a sense of 'cool' once you take a minute to admire the design that went into them.

But yeah, I can't really argue if Acne's styling looks good or draws attention, because I know you and I have pretty different tastes. But thanks for sharing your opinion dude.

>>9325302
Can you not see how cheap that leather looks? The seams also look really bad, it seems funny that if they are such a minimalist brand they really aren't trying very hard to making minimalist clothing.

>>9325143
>No one is looking twice at you when you're wearing full Acne

Yeah, I admit that wasn't the best word choice. What I meant was that if somebody did stop to look twice, they would eventually notice the small details that aren't immediately obvious.

This is the same with many other fashion labels and real designers. For the most part, art as a whole works in the same way.

You could easily walk past this painting and dismiss it as just a couple of red rectangles. But if you really took a minute to think and contemplate what it is, you would feel the painting 'speaking' to you - there's something about the soft edges, the energy in the colors, space, and depth that just resonates with you inside.

Anybody can make a plain white shoe, but why are Common Projects so popular in today's fashion, when thousands of other models of shoe are not?

Some clothing like >>9324332 definitely have a deeper intended meaning behind the seemingly meaningless overlay of pictures. However, there are clothes that don't necesarily need to have this deeper meaning to have a meaning at all.

You don't need to be well-versed in fashion or have an art degree to analyze them; they simply speak to the viewer in a very straightforward manner, and you can 'feel' their beauty in a way.

>>9325342
Most people hate Rothco thouh... So many people call him a hack and even more people who dont have any idea about art would say they actually like this. I know very few people who actually understand and appreciate him. As for the clothin I really dont understand what little details you are talking about with Acne pieces its not some ACR jacket that you can assassin creed style slide your phone out of your sleeve or some crazy ccp suit. Its just boring middle of the road garments. People bouht common projects for the same reason the bought Acne or PE or OL to feel like they bought designer clothing while staying completely safe stylistically speaking. If someone wanted to be expressive or o outside the box and get and still have a white designer shoe there are MMM painted gats, ramones, even Lanvin. CPs are almost always babbys first big cop so people dont want to buy anything that is to out there. You seem to know what you are talking about but youre letting your biases come in the way of that.

>>9325342
hey just dropping in to say you should have said 'see a picture of' rather than 'walk past' because ain't nobody walking past a rothko and not being hit by it

>>9325414
Are you really so far up your own ass that you refuse to believe some people could genuinely like these designers/labels? I'd kiss your CCP Tornadoes, master, but you probably won't let me! That's fine though, I'll live!

Our Legacy initially started out as a safe label, the creators said so much themselves--reinventing traditional menswear with more interesting materials/cuts. Just basics. Recently they've upped their game in terms of creativity, I believe.

Really, you're right to an extent, but it's incredibly arrogant of you to belittle the work of creative designers. To call them boring with no grounds.

Look at the way Ervell experiments with materials, how he's moving away from slimmer cuts--is this what you'd call boring? Or does something have to be distressed to high hell to excite you?

You don't need to try to diagnose people and tell them why they like what they do.

>>9325465
I never said they were boring besides Acne I like some of OL stuff and alot of PE stuff its just incredibly safe. I really dont see how I am being arrogant I'm just stating my opinion. Your the one being defensive as fuck and accusatory. Obviously our styles are very different but that doesn't mean you can just right it off for that reason.

>>9325490
Wasn't trying to write your opinion off, obviously it's okay to hate the fuck out of these brands. It just seemed like you were dismissing them based on something that just plain isn't true.

I didn't argue about Acne because it's unfortunately true that a lot of their pieces really are basic. That doesn't make them completely bad though

Please accept my sincerest apologies,

Your Faithful Kohai ;3

>>9325490
safe does not mean bad
CCP reproduction commissioned orders are all labeled with "SAFE", even if it were a dip dyed flourescent green u-sole tornado zip.

I think dressing up means different things to different people. To you, maybe a successful designer represents someone who can produce glamours yet subversive objects..

I think when we look at a label that's successful it's important to consider why it's successful, not just in the realms of its visual prowess but also how its presented itself to the public

take maybe the aggressive and disciplined (consistent vision) of acne in what they produce and their more classic take of the runway vs maybe... well, let's take ccp since we're familiar who only utilises a lookbook and some buyer presentations in derelict buildings occassionaly... and some theatrical performances with crippled models but... let's keep it simple for now (in all regards, not a typical Parisian runway)

both successful for different reasons. But why?

>>9325490
Safe isn't necessarily bad though.

There's a market for well-made, subtly superior to basics clothing like Acne.

I don't want to look like a runway model. I don't want to look avant-garde. I like clothing that fits me well and feels good ( high quality ). While Acne isn't always the embodiment of this - their good stuff is popular for the same reason CPs are.

>>9325465
sounds like he hit a nerve, thats incredibly boring, its some played out marble print shit every single one of these boring ass "designers" have been doing for the last 5 years, a rain jacket, black pants, black shoes, its incredibly fucking boring, all of this has been done so many times before, none of these designers bring anything new to the table, people like them because they have marginally better quality and far more exclusivity than h&m or topshop. if i wanted boring ass designs i could buy them handmade in london from the best materials available, not buy cheap mass produced albanian factory garbage for the same price. youre seeing "beauty" and "creativity" that isnt there, sure its subjective but graphic tees with words printed on them, ripoffs of old jil sander shirts, nasty rainbow print jackets and plain white sneakers with gold numbers printed on them arent art bud. these are my 150$ boots, what the fuck is 150$ get me *generic euro designer shop*? a witty slogan tee and a hat with an N stitched onto it

>>9325504
Thanks for being reasonable through our little discussion. Most people would have just reverted to throwing insults by now. hope we can do it again sometime :)

>>9325529

>>9325529
>black pants, black shoes, its incredibly fucking boring, all of this has been done so many times before,

and you did it every day for waywt last year lmao

smh get your ass out of here

>>9325529
>i have different style and this is why it is better

please stop talking

>>9325539
>>black pants, black shoes, its incredibly fucking boring, all of this has been done so many times before,
>and you did it every day for waywt last year lmao


FUCKING REKT

>>9325527
Why is it popular?

I think it's just smart demographic research and intensive targeted campaigns at the right markets.

>>9325542
>all styles are equal please dont hurt my feelings

u wouldnt be spewing this bullshit if i wore ed hardy and armani exchange

>>9325529
>i could buy them handmade in london from the best materials available
how
wher
> these are my 150$ boots
how
where

>>9325544
epic but were talking about designers n runway shows not my outfits

many of them are boring esp when taken with cellphone camera that doesnt show any details

SS15 IN STORES WHEN?

>>9325529
Well I like it anyway.

It isn't as if Ervell is the extent of my interest in fashion, I just don't think it's at all fair to dismiss a designer like that with pretty much no grounds. You're actually trying to tell me why I like something. Doesn't that strike you as at least a little bit arrogant?

I was talking more about the jacket anyway, I think it looks great. Do you have an example of something similar that's been done before?

:^(

>>9325548
That's because you know about fashion and work to put your outfits together in a way that fits your aesthetic.

Just because you wear J cut waxed pants and I wear plain black jeans doesnt make us different outside of the aesthetic we're going for.

>>9325549
>>9325534
forgot to link img

i understand not everyone cares enough to research buying ie trousers and find them for a good price but that doesnt mean they arent objectively better than acne max cash

>Trunks makes his usual idiotic post
>Discussion crumbles into a chorus of "LMAO REKT"
People still haven't blocked his trip...

>>9325545
A lot of people (myself included) have an interest in fashion but don't necessarily want to walk around looking like a retard. I'm confident in what I wear because it fits well and looks good. I don't stand out in a crowd because I don't want to

>>9325519
I would say besides the obvious answer of people have very different taste, the answer would be that some people simply dont want to look safe. They want to look different. Which is what designers like CCP catered too, I really dont think that you believe that CCP or anyone in that same vein are safe in the terms I was talking about. Also I might be wrong but didn't CCP gain a lot fan base only after he stopped designing? Where as Acne is popular and still growing larger and larger right now because of ads and shows. I definitely should have phrased my dislike for safe clothing in a different way or at least safe in regards of Acne and PE, but I will stand by that I dont like the boring safe designs as seen in Acne Studios.

>>9325559
its just a generic long hooded rain jacket, walk into any zara and im sure u could find one, i dont know how you could think something so simple and bland could possibly have been "invented" by ervell

>>9325579
?
I'm not sure if that is related to my post.

However "stand out" did remind me of one of those great things Rick said.
I think the question was "best way to stand out from a crowd?"
Reply being "Pop a boner"

>>9325319
I hate to ask this, but have you actually handled them? They're not handmade by artisans or anything, but people buy them for $500 all the time.

>>9325572

>>9325587
probably because people are fucking stupid

heres a pair of brand new handmade guidi leather boots, 102$

>>9325596
trunks give me alternative to acne ace cash?
they are honestly shit
botn in general and for the money
and I fell for them
But now they fade and are pretty old so Im looking to replace them

>>9325585
Sorry, I mean to elaborate on the interest in fashion.

I mean that I find an interest in cut/feeling of fabric/ interesting things to do with silhouettes. But what makes things divergent and interesting is their divergence from the norm. I like to stay close enough to the norm that I can still pass off as an average dressing person but I know that my shoes are the most well-made in the room when I walk in. It's not a bragging thing but it's something I find cool. Dressing full avant garde throws the whole "playing on norms" thing out the window for me - I don't want to be noticed for my clothing. It should be a frame for what I do want people to notice - me

>>9325583
So what is it that you want? Honest question--what is it that you look for in a garment. One you want to keep and wear for yourself rather than sell on. No, you can't just pick one up in Zara, and of course I don't think Ervell invented raincoats.
I'm aware that Ervell isn't the most exciting designer in the world, but he certainly isn't boring. That isn't even my main point either. It was mostly about shitting on a designer then trying to present you own opinion as if it were the objective truth. Based on the fact that you just don't like him.

>>9325587
>because its expensive it must be good
I can go buy a givenchy tee right now for $600 do you honestly think it is worth all $600? No its a shitty printed graphic tee at least comparably speaking for the price. Same with these shoes its $500 of overpriced mediocre leather. Nothing noteworthy and certainly not worth paying for.
>have you actually handled them
No Im sorry I dont spend my free time handling women's shoes. Thats also rich coming from you saying you hadn't handled any Raf but you were still somehow in the right dishining out uninformed shit. At least what I am saying is backed up from personal experience and many many second hand stories.

>>9325599
Levis or if you want a nicer pair of pants Naked and Famous

>>9325582
You're right, people have different tastes, but I don't think that terminates the discssion of "why this brand is successful" since they all have underlying realities that construct which are independent of "taste". Like, they all produce clothing made from cotton (this is a bit facetious).

I don't think CCP is about being different, I actually don't think CCP designs for a specific client at all. It's like a kid from Antwerp just went wild and completely skipped on all the marketing and administrative strategy lectures and went straight to the nearest smelter with broken silverware to cast cock rings and mangled belt buckles.

I think this is evident when you look at the ccp clientele, who come from all strata of social society. From aging Hollywood movie stars to 18 year old kids flipping second hand clothing.
He made some weird shit and did some even weirder dealings.

You don't have any authority on what I believe... Stop considering that. What I wanted to make you aware of is that SAFE, how you define it, even in the context/industry which you define it in is false, because SAFE to CCP just means the same shape done twice.

No, that's not true either, people on stylezeitgeist were frothing over ccp in 2008 and i think earlier (go to the thread, please correct me if I'm wrong) and his final official collection was in 2010. Unless we say that he stopped desiging in 2005 where deepti took over... but i still think he was invovled then (maybe to a lesser extent).

CCP is still growing financially, which is why it stills has active buyers and still sells out in shop (without ads ever and a new collection for almost half a decade).

How would you define safe? In a meaningful way? Because to me it just sounds like "I don't like ACNE and I'll use this word "safe" to crystalise my hatred"

>>9325616
>judging quality of leather by looking at one shite picture of it

>lel

>>9325618
lol ok maybe I shouldnt've said ALTERNATIVE
I want something better
levi and n&f are cheap shitty shit

>>9325558
in SS 15, I would assume.

>>9325414
I see what you're trying to say, but is it really necessary to pursue more "designer" pieces? What's wrong with having a stylistically "safe" wardrobe if you feel it looks good, and you're comfortable wearing it?

Think about things you enjoy:

Maybe you like cooking? Are you still a good cook if you stick with "safe" recipes that you know taste great? Or is it necessary for you to experiment and come up with your own recipes to be a good cook?

Or do you like going on rollercoasters at the theme park? Do you have to go to the world's top coasters and learn about every aspect of their design to have fun? Or can you just appreciate the thrill, without going deeper into how they work, and who the best roller coaster designers are?

My point is that we all have different priorities. You wouldn't have the time to go after every single hobby in the world. It's unreasonable - even childish - to expect everyone to hold the same interest in fashion as you do.

>>9325637
>n&f
there isnt anything special about them but they're defintely superior to both aces and levis
why do you think they're shit? did you try them out?

>>9325599
>>9325599
drkshdw or julius

both can be had for ~75$ shipped for decent versions and if ur willing to pay the full retail price tag u can have any drkshdws you want and any julius outside of a couple models and the recent season shit

examples

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rick-Owens-drkshdw-Detroit-Cut-/261728578655?pt=US_CSA_MC_Jeans&hash=item3cf03d2c5f

http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b167798625
>>9325610
has to have perfect fabric, perfect fit, and good price or ill just flip

interesting design is optional, have to wear some simple shit cause all statement pieces usually looks stupid

>>9325649
im laughing so fucking hard that you actually gave rick and julius as a reasonable replacement for acne black denim

are you that fucking clueless?

>>9325610
bithturd is this you? fucking retard cunt whoreson.

>>9325604
Okay, so you're utterly obsessed and aware with how you establish yourself to strangers while also ensuring that you're upsetting the power balance through your (self established) superior clothing?
Let's say that this is true and you succeed.
However you don't want the clothing to be hearlded as the focl point of your fame, you want it to establish your presence but not be credible for it?
Do you think that's reasonable? That the genesis of your confidence (clothing) can be divorced and held separate from your accountable existence (not-clothing)

>>9325629
handled it, its the in the lowest tier of non bonded leather

>>9325657
No. I'm pretty sure Birthday would shit on Ervell just as hard as Trunks. I like to think I'm a lot more reasonable than Birthday

>>9325655
simple black denim is a pretty good alternative to simple black denim id say

if it sounded like he was looking for more garbage i would have said slp

>>9325655
They are reasonable replacements. They're cheaper, even
What's the issue?

>>9325664
ok sry for mistaking you for that turd. you have similar ways of expressing your thoughts.

>>9325658
lol what the fuck? you just made like 100 baseless assumptions about me

my point was this:

> i have an interest in fashion
> i want to show my interest in a subtle way

Of course I'm aware of how I present myself to strangers. I'm not "utterly obsessed". The reason I dress well isn't to impress strangers.

Beyond that, I don't want my clothing to establish my presence. It's undoubtedly a part of my character, though, there's no denying that.

Quit projecting onto me you fag; the genesis of my confidence isn't my clothing. It's just another part of my character

>>9325665
>>9325668
just wear these bro you'll be set

#lesskeddit

>>9325677
Seems we share the same outlook on fashion. I enjoy having simple, well-made basics. I don't really care if anybody notices them or if strangers online say I'm not "effay" enough.

Everyone on /fa/ says this, but why dress for others? Wear what you want.

>>9325342
Did you actually just compare Acne to Rothko

>>9325665
yep rick ownes are normal black jeans

>>9325686
Not sure if I'm interpreting your correctly but how are these extreme

>>9325708
Exactly. I'm not entering a fashion contest every time I go to school

At the same time it's an aspect of myself and as such it's important to have a grasp on it. I don't give a shit if I'm "safe" "boring" or "not effay"

>>9325677
It's not baseless because I based it on what you've conscripted in that post.

If there's something you disagree with be specific. But to me, it's painfully self conscious, if it makes you uncomfortable that's the project.
Maybe you've misrepresented yourself however, that'd be fair.

You say you're not obsessed with strangers yet your only stated clothing objective relies on the interaction with other people (regardless of their position to you)
>close enough to the norm that I can still pass off as an average dressing person but I know that my shoes are the most well-made in the room

does a persons character establish their presence? are they not both explicitly interlinked?
If that's true then how can you maintain that clothing does not establish presence while it is also a facet of yourself (which radiates arranges presence)?

I'm really not concerned, I'm just wondering if you're aware of your own parody. We're anonymous here, you can just claim "i was trolling" and there is exactly no consequence.

In that same post you recognised clothing as part of your character. Also confidence as part of your character. So is your confidence and clothing both independent elements of your character?

>>9325719
>I don't give a shit if I'm "safe" "boring" or "not effay"
and thats why u made 30 posts defending urself online

>>9325713
It was an analogy for the sake of clarification.

I didn't imply that the Swedish guys who made Acne are anywhere near Rothko's level, if that's what you're getting at.

>>9325664
>>9325657
You do realize bday has been posting quite often in this thread right?

Acne and new Raf discussion. Epic, guys

>>9325665
>>9325668
He wants replacements for basic, clean black jeans, not jeans with weird ass cuts. The drkshdw jeans have that weird double inseam and julius stuff always looks pretty distressed.

>>9325734
People are discussing Acne and Raf because they were posted in the first place, post what you want to be discussed and it'll happen

>>9325731
Which posts?

>>9324612
KVA?

>>9325143
>>9325582
>>9325616
>>9325414
>>9325490
>>9325604
Pretty sure about these.

>>9325596
>>9325588

Those are actually nice.

>>9324090
>>9324256
>>9324374
How can you be excited about these? They are so bland. Nothing about these lines is exciting, no interesting (or even particularly good) cuts. These lines don't use particularly lux fabrics either. This is so boring and you have no taste

trunks, where are you getting those IE boots from? Are they second hand at those prices?

>>9325722
>You say you're not obsessed with strangers yet your only stated clothing objective relies on the interaction with other people (regardless of their position to you)

What I meant by that is more relating to the societal norm and less so the norm of that room. I think the shoe thing made it seem like I'm putting myself on this higher level than everyone else and want to be recognized for that. That wasn't my goal in saying that nor is it my goal in wearing CPs, for example. What I meant by that was more that I know I am well dressed by society's standard. To me, clothing is an aspect of my character and by wearing nice shoes, and clothes that fit me, I am aware it's an aspect I've worked on and have improved upon through my life. That's my goal in dressing on a daily basis - I used to dress bad in clothes that didn't fit me and now I wear clothes that fit me.

A person's physical presence is a stepping stone to understanding their character. There's only a couple physical aspects of yourself you can work on and improve and clothing is one of them. You can call that being obsessed with strangers or you can call it self improvement. Clothing, posture, etc. I don't think that clothing is independent of confidence - in fact, being well dressed is a good indicator of a confident person, imo.

>>9325785
its the trousers, not the boots, second hand prices yes. erik doesnt make boots afaik, he uses andrew macdonald i think for photoshoots and lookbooks

>>9325772
We've already had this discussion.

Enjoy thinking fashion is objective.

It isn't even as if you're knowledgeable.

>>9324387
that looks like it belongs on big cartel

>>9324466

>>9325815
raf belongs on big cartel post 2004

>>9325807
>andrew macdonald

Thanks. I agree with the acne discussion, I have a few items from them and the overall quality is slightly better than H&M. The hype around that brand is massive.

Do you have any sites that I could use to find some decent boots?

>>9325787
Cool, we can agree then that you think you had portrayed yourself poorly in the initial post and are instating a modification.

social norm is only active in its consideration. how is social norm nominated? is it held to a indiscriminate scale or is it by the popular opinion of different individuals (no matter its conception (television, internet, parental, reading, etc))?

Isn't to produce a facade on social standards immediately enmeshed in concerns of society. Again, society defined as the collective efforts of humans (people).

Okay - clothing as a character, like an arm, leg etc.

i think a person can emit a character without being aware of their pre-established physicality.
Presence not in contour but in occupation.

Nothing denys your awareness of someone else real/non-real gaze. Which is a prominent narative in your "epilogue" which you've reasserted, despite flaccid attempts to diminish. It can be self improvement, it can be that, but then is it self improvement to ratify social alignment?

It doesn't take long to capture the breadth of contradiction you've scattered amongst so few posts. If you read them back now - your posts in succession. Does it make sense? is it chilling?

>>9325841
any proffered styles/designers? price range?

>>9325852

$400 cad, preferably lower.

>>9325869
size?

>>9325885

8

>>9325887
u got lots of options at that price but heres some ideas

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANN-DEMEULEMEESTER-Black-Tall-Boots-Size-40-EU-fits-41EU-7UK-8US-/171634171566?pt=UK_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item27f6319eae

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ann-Demeulemeester-Calf-Leather-Work-Boot-sz-41-/301283367318?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item4625e35996

http://www.grailed.com/listings/49919-guidi-ankle-boot

http://www.grailed.com/listings/36014-guidi-ankle-boots

http://www.grailed.com/listings/35758-julius-engineer-boots

http://www.grailed.com/listings/26075-inaisce-brown-drifting-sneakers

http://www.grailed.com/listings/8425-attachment-backzip-boots

ss13 thread? sweet

>>9325939

Trunks, what would you wear with those guidi ankle boots? What kind of pant?

>>9325939

Thanks trunk.

>>9321255
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>>9325040
>>9325465
>>9325610
How the fuck are you meant to wear this shit in summer
There's fucking coats and shit
You're going to be drowning in sweat

>this entire thread

high fashion is retarded

you're all retarded

>>9325850
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Be more concise, please.

If you're trying to say that clothing shows your personality: yes, it can, if you want it to. But it doesn't always.

>>9326307
im the guy hes talking to and i have not a clue what the fuck all that means

>>9324429
>>9324430
>>9324432
>>9324439
>>9324441
>>9324445
>>9324449
>>9324452
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>>9324466
If I ever saw someone wearing those in public I'd say "nice crocs" just to see their reaction

>>9326734
where do you live?

>>9326734
lmao

>>9326734
>hey thanks, champ
>*pats you on the back*
>chuckles once, haughtily

>>9326307
Be specific.

All I'm saying here is that to mount concerns on some sort of social prerogative is still established in a diligent awareness of other people.
to mould self in reflection of other.

That's the entire posts point, it's not so complicated - google each word in turn.

>>9326734

and i would say, it's pronounced "rough semens" ;)

>>9326794
heh

>>9324273
>>9324374
>>9324379
>>9324638
>>9324914
>>9325465
>>9325610
>>9325708
whats the fucking point of this? are you supposed to wear this in your normal day? you'll look like a retarded fucking autist holy shit this is stupid as fuck

why dont anyone make shit that actually LOOKS FUCKING GOOD not this retarded edgy shit holy shit this belongs in fucking star wars not 2015 earth normal people will fucking laug hat you like the retarded posh cunt you are

>>9328086
sorry dad

>>9326018
>implying this isn't appropriate attire in spring
Non-nordic subhuman detected.

>>9328086
>I've never seen runway shows before
Get out.

>>9328119
>Get out.

>hurrdurr i dont actually have any arguments to defend these shitty piece of shit fuck clothes so ill just tell him to get out, that'll show him!!

you're a special kind of retard huh?

>>9324387
wish the sun on this wasant felt/whatever material it was, it's pretty thick though

>>9325414
feeling very rekt about now

>>9326760
I'm not trying to insult you or anything; I'd love to have a proper discussion, but I really don't understand :/

>>9328231
hm

>>9324256
>>9324273
When is Ervell even coming in ffs

>>9325649
i have yet to see any DRKSHDW or julius under 150$

>>9325939
i really wonder sometimes why people hate you so much

>>9325649
>http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b167798625
HOW EVEN DO YOU BROWSE JAP SITE

>taking trunks's opinions seriously and talking with him like he's a real human being

this board truly fell from grace

issey miyake spring summer 15 was amazing

>>9334217
>trunks posts weird outfits sometimes
>no longer human

>>9334209
google translate isnt that hard to use dude

>>9333955
i got a drkshdw detroit black jean off 170 usd last month, on ebay
keep eyes open
but there is some shit that doenst get listed when you search for it so go into sellers stores and type your shit there

>>9325821
WHAT THE FUCK THAT'S A SIN

>>9335253
Why's that?
Man can't spray paint his Rafs?

>>9334550
lmfao

>>9334555
ty dude ur a SAVIOUR