/fa/ - Fashion

ill kick it off by asking if anyone has any experience with april77 jeans? i'm in need of some new jeans and was considering them due to their price and fit (on models anyway as i've never tried them on)

18 year old hs senior and /mu/ nerd here, new to /fa/ and have only been observing.
How childish really do band tees look? I'm kind of trying to look like my age and I only wear the common joy division, bad brains, and meat is murder shirts once in a while. Since my other shirts are starting to get worn out, I've been wearing these more often. I'm also trying to improve upon my looks slowly as well since I look like shit and would probably cop new basic shirts. Another question, should I get nike roshe or Stan smiths?

>>9250857
you look like a literal autist if you wear a band shirt with other clothes that don't fit you

the only excusable band shirts are punk/grungy ones where the rest of your look matches that

>>9250863
I've thought of it that way, but I think I'll get away from it more because it's more of basic tumblr blogger essentials. Thanks for the advice.

>>9250872

i mean really no one is gonna laugh at you for wearing a band t shirt of a band you like...

that all being said dont buy some hyped up generic shoe like roshes or stan smiths until you know your personal style better. its a waste of money if you never end up wearing them

how the fuck do you faggots translate taobao
whats some good shit (links if recent) you got of aliexpress

: ^)

>>9250883
Thanks for the heads up, man.
I really don't know if those shoes would fit me generally; all I know is that they look pretty cool and are inexpensive and wouldn't look edgy at all, but maybe slightly noticeable to people here where I live.
I think it would just be a bit of an improvement from what I wore prior which were vans. I bought some nikes some months ago that look like vans, they look pretty neat so I thought I may expand a bit even through they're pretty common brands.

>>9250894
i dont agree with >>9250883
roshes and stan smith and those Adidas roshe lookalike thingos are pretty basic and in black/white they look pretty reasonable with everything. If you dont mind looking like an average person i'd cop.

that being said i dont have a pair of any of these, purely observer opinion.

>>9250898
All right, just wanted to confirm if both the graphic band tees and those shoes wouldn't make me look too much of a walking meme, but I would assume it's reasonable if i'm not over 20. I'm not quite prepared to seek to become /fa/ and all that fuss yet, so I'm just going to stick to the whole normal person thing, but I just wanted to improve my looks for the grils and for myself. I appreciate the support.

>>9250898
Basically 80% of /fa/ except for the good posters will have a wardrobe that consists of roshes, black jeans, white shirts, and black parkas and honestly there's nothing wrong with that.

I just gout out of that and before it I used to have lots of graphic and cool band tees but in my advice try to branch out with your style. Don't be like me when you first discovered effay and buy all black errythang and get obsessed with designers but don't go to r/mfa and buy 10 blue button ups. Try to take ques from your peers, different fashion styles, and your interests and make something you like.

Don't fall for certain hype items but if I had to lay down some essentials I'd probably say get:
-1 pair of basic but nice shoes (nike flyknit if you're into that aesthetic or some plimsolls like *ugh* common projects)
-1 pair of nice but appropriate boots (don't get $600 baller shell cordovan boots because you'll look out of place if you've been wearing vans all your life)
-3 white shirts (if you don't know what to do, white shirts are timeless)
-(?) black jeans, get some nice properly fitted jeans, can't have too many. (I say black because black goes best with other blacks and white)

Everything else just do you and it will come naturally

>>9250959
Many thanks! Great, motivational advice to seek for better aesthetics. I will definitely follow the essentials and get what I don't have yet. I wish this was given to me a few years back though; but hey, gotta start some time.

>>9250682

OC

Would a longsleeve work with my sleeveless cardigan? If so, which kind, colour and texture should i go for?

>>9251031
please don't validate vice by reposting that bullshit

Do jeans stretch in use? The jeans in question are 70% cotton, 28% polyester and 2% elastane. Also the polyester seems kinda questionable to me, is it common to have that in jeans? Usually they're ~98%/2% cotton/elastane blends, right?

>>9251296
1. yes
2. no
3. yes

I can't imagine a polyester blend being comfortable for jeans at all, though that's not always possible to gauge by looking at numbers on a tag.

If I wear a 44 in Geobaskets, KVA backzips and Ramones (45 in CPs though, wide foot), do I have any chance of fitting into DBSS sneakers? I believe they're largest size only accommodates a US10 but I've heard they run very large. I have no way of trying these on in person in Australia (as far as I know).

>>9251344
Is polyester a bad thing tho?

>>9251358
size 3

>>9251366
Oops I was a dumb fuck and didn't read the last line. Sry.

>>9251358
They run a full size large

Can you guys recommend a carhartt jacket. I'm going today to the carhartt store. I want an all black one.

>>9251210
Pls respond

Is sucking in your cheeks bad?
I think I look a little better with my cheeks sucked in a tad.
Anyway I can permanently make my cheeks look like that without a medical procedure?

>>9251210
>sleeveless cardigan

Now THAT is gay.

>>9250682
M E A T

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>>9251652
Loose weight like crazy.

>>9250682
Darth Sideous needs some new kicks.

Any recs for a pant that fits like the APC Petite New Standard but isn't as roomy in the top block?

I want something with a ~6.75 taper (anymore will make me feel like a highschool kid I think) but I think there is too much rise and shit with the Petite New Standard, and I'd rather have something with less shit denim quality anyways.

>>9251754
B-but it's hooded :c

>>9251934
Then it's just ugly.

can someone please explain to me how customs work? im planning on buying something from germany and dont know if im going to have to pay more or what.

>>9250682
damn dementors always stealin' my sunny d

>>9251893

the Petit Standard is basically the Petit New Standard but with less room in the thighs

probably what you're looking for

>>9251080
you aren't funny, congratulations

ugh

my gf recently dyed her hair. I've been telling her just start growing it back to her natural color (a light brown), we met when she had long brown hair. Instead of doing some shit like just a regular brown/blonde like she grabbed some half dark red half brown mystery color box she's never used before.

So we get home and she puts it in, then comes out and shows me. It's pretty awful, she missed spots, and it's mostly dark red. She goes to work like this and comes back and says she got compliments (I've met her coworkers and a lot of them are just really nice). She goes to the store and gets something to fix it, and now it's all around this really deep red that looks like shit (even my mom told her).

She says she likes it too much to change it. I just don't find it attractive, and her haircut + that red reminds me of some annoying tumblr retard. It's not helping she has put on weight too.

Why the fuck is it so hard for women to just keep their natural hair color?

I don't even understand, two weeks ago she told me how much she wanted long brown hair again. Even right before we went into the store to get the hair color she was saying she wanted brown.

>>9252384
>red dyed hair.

I normally don't mind dyed hair, but why do people go with red? You'll just look like a walking tampon.

Anyone had any success with Yesstyle?

>>9252483
lol no. Is that a serious question?

Posting again because R.I.P last thread.
How to tie drawstrings like pic related? Or at least the name of the knot.
Thanks in advance.

Not very good to ask on a fashion forum but hell with it - I'm looking for some plain white t-shirts of good quality and relatively thick. No Uniqlo stuff (unless like the original supima t-shirts they had).

Thanks in advance.

And I suppose I'll also ask if anybody remembers the website that had a very nice looking fisherman sweater on it - I believe the model was half-cast. Would appreciate it.

>>9252384
she sounds way cooler than you are, dump her and spend your nights masturbating

>>9252563
you're better off asking a boy scout than a fashion board

>>9252384
Fuck, this has been bothering me for a while.

My girlfriend has red henna dyed hair, which I'm fine with. But she's going for dreadlocks. She already has this one that's kind of a really tight braid that's just left to form a dreadlock by itself. It's thick, ugly as fuck and maybe 10.15cm long.

She's told me she will let her friend make the dreadlocks cause she doesn't want to pay over a hunnid euros to get them done professionally when her hair is long enough -that should be in 1-2 months.

I've told her a few times that I don't like the idea but what can I do. I can't brake up with her because of her fucking hair. But I find her attractive as she is and the dreadlocks will fuck it up, because no doubt they'll look awful.

She's really stubborn, too, and her taste in clothes is like a mix of a homeless person, tumblr chick and a fifth grader. At least the messy dreadlocks will fit her clothes. Sigh

Beginner here. What do I look for when buying a belt? Any recommendations would be appreciated

>>9252700
1) Does it hold your pants up
2) You're a faggot

>>9252702
Never change Anon.

>>9252720
I don't plan on it bb xoxo

>>9252258
I was under the impression that the petite standard had a smaller leg opening though, so I was staying away from it.

Still, might try anyways.

>>9252702
lold

>>9251652
either drop your bf% to unhealthy levels or use makeup

WTC wingtips or derbies with a good price to quality ratio?

where can I get a good quality grey hoodie for under $200?

>>9253240
Carhartt, suppose.

is it acceptable to wear black skinny jeans, a white shirt and a black blazer for NYE?

>>9252563
That looks like an Eastland or barrel knot. You'd find them on boat shoes or something.

>>9253732
yes u fucking moron
jesus christ does ur mom still dress u or what LMAO

>>9253240
Reigning Champ. Not Carhartt, shit sucks.

asking one last time;

should i size up or down with geo's especially concerning ones from AW13 and 14

>>9254338
Size down one with AW13. You can take your normal size for AW14, but I still size down 1

I'm looking to cop a heavy jacket maybe denim or twill. Something similar to this. Something kinda pinky and black. Can anyone recommend any brands to check out?

should I cop flyknit lunar 2s or Adidas pure boosts?

>>9255105
Zx flux

>>9250959
Decent advice, on /fa/, am I in the fuckin' twilight zone?

>>9254338
The season doesn't matter, I've had SS13, FW13, and AW14, all of them you have to size down one full (unless somehow they magically used new soles and slimmed the toebox which they haven't). To the people that say "They run true to size." Yes, they will fit true to size but you'll look like Ronald Mcdonald, so size down.

Is winter over should I bother with copping winter pieces?

I used to see these shoes show up in WAYWTs all the time. What are they?

Anybody know where I could find any sort of black derby with a white sole? Googling "black derby white sole" has not helped so far.

>>9255559

Fuck me, forgot pic.

>>9255564
>>9255559
You talking about the prada creepers?

>>9255095
Levis might do you. But you never posted a price range.

w2c cheap oxfords

>>9255644
uniqlo

How do Acne coats fit?

I usually wear EU 46 (S), but on their store it reads that size 46 is an XS to them.

Hook a senpai up. Should I get a 48? I'm afraid it will end up being baggy as shit.

>>9255582
Hmm. They do look similar, but as far as I can tell, the shoes I'm looking for aren't brogued, put all the images of Prada creepers I'm seeing are. Also, the sole looks solid white in the shoes I'm looking for, but Prada creepers look like they have some bands of other colors on the sole, like blue or beige.

Still, they're close enough for my purposes, so thanks anyway, bud.

>>9255564
Adrien Sauvage x Doc Martens collaboration
Steeds.
I wanted top cop for a while but I don't like them anymore, they're still pretty nice shoes though

>>9250857
99% of band tees are fucking horrible. Especially hard rock / metal ones.

>>9250857
Cringing hard at this.

Uncle sent me this in the mail for Christmas. Look any good or is it tacky garbage?

>>9255753
Back to /r9k/ fatty.

>>9252667

>dreadlocks

niggercore detected

>>9255762
lol wut

>>9252667

be an alpha and cut her current hair off as a punishment for having such shitty aspirations.

hey /fa/ I've been looking for one of the most awful brands out there, but with no success.. it's one of those streetwear brands that sells shirts/jerseys that have the name rebels on it, back numbers and roman numerals.
there was a thread about a week ago, where this 32 year old who might have been wearing it was mocked because he was, well, 32.

pls help, i need it. i need to fucc up my wardrobe.

>>9255972

Hood By Air?
OffWhite?
Obey?
Supreme?
Pyrex?
Prada?

Any Japanese goth ninja, cyber punk that i should check out when im over there

>>9255991
Unfortunately it's none of these.. they're still pretty good though.

I saw this kid wearing this shirt that had the number 90 on it, some roman numerals, and it said brooklyn, and rebels. It was the most amazing thing i've ever seen. It wasn't a regular tee, the back was longer than the front, and the fabric seemed jersey-esque. It had an all-over roses(I think) print. Just got a quick glimpse so I couldnt ask what brand it was..

>>9251080
B A D
A
D

>>9255150
The last actually did change between AW13 and SS14 and there's been a minor but palpable reduction in the size of the shoes. So I suppose that's magic?

>>9251210
Pls respond

>>9256044
Pacsun. Not even kidding, my friend has the shirt you describe

How many people on /fa/ own genuine Geobastards and Ramonds?

>>9251080

>>9256287
1 pair geos and 2 ramones here. I don't think it's uncommon at all.

>>9251210
iron pill is that you?

>>9253828
Carhartt superior to you.

>>9256295
rick would go bankrupt in no time, if /fa/ wouldnt buy his shit

>>9251296
uniqlo?
they stretch a bit but when you wash them they'll go back to normal

Does anyone have advice on how to remove scuffs from a fully 3M reflective shoe?

>>9252613
apparently the costco kirkland ones are good
i just wear the uniqlo innerwear ones though

>half-cast
lmao
but myabe it was on tres-bien?

>>9256314
Ayy lmao
Nah, im skinny and I've got disgusting habits.

>>9256399
W2C

>>9256428
Come to think of it, I am danish though lol

>>9256461
There the Nike internationalist premium in black. I got mine at offspring.com just take care because they damage really easy

Anyone have the Uniqlo Down 4 Way Coat? How is it? Fit?

Just copped pic related on myhabit.

They are pretty dark though from the looks of it, almost black.

What color shoes and tops should I wear with these? Seems simple enough, but I feel like if I try to wear them like black jeans I'll look pretty fuccboi.

>>9251210
it would work nicely, wear like something navy, or a lighter grey. it looks nice

are these fake? they are advertised as brand new but look worn and are super cheap so feeling suspicious

>>9256614
>look worn and are super cheap
No, thats just Acne

>>9255564
w2c sweater pls ?

>>9256623

>>9250959
>Don't be like me when you first discovered effay and buy all black errythang and get obsessed with designers
why not? i do the same

>>9250959
Quality post, please keep your name on

>>9251210
i really like this outfit by the way

>>9255753
could be good for a streetwear fit!!

>>9256551
you can wear more color so you don't /have/ to just stick to black and white clothes!! they're just normal indigo jeans!!

>>9251210
is that assassins creed cosplay

>>9256705
hey faggot have you ever posted a fit here

>>9252667
Eh, you can make your preferences known, but you can't control people, so if you can't convince her, you'll have to live with it or leave.

Also, even though you can try to persuade her, try not to be an asshole about it when you do it, or else it's going to be HER making the decision to "live with it or leave."

>>9255564
w2c sweater ???

>>9252700
Eh, just get a plain black or brown belt with a regular belt buckle (don't get a fucking novelty Nintendo one or else you'll look like a Big Bang Theory character).
Belts don't have to draw a lot of attention, they should just be plain. Well, you can get more prominent belts later when you know what you're doing and why you're selecting them, but for now, all you need is a plain black one and maybe a plain brown one, both with typical buckes (the ones with the ring and the hook that goes through the hole).

>>9252702
>1) Does it hold your pants up

If it does hold up his or her pants, the pants are too big.

Pants should already fit well without a belt. You shouldn't ever "need" one, but you should always wear one.

>>9255698
Ah, I see. Thanks a billion!

I may have to find some knockoffs if the actual are hard to find or expensive.

got an ex-military olive green parka for christmas. i like it a lot. i've been seeing a lot of parkas around lately too. how do i best wear it?

also, what measurements should a 5'1" shortcore grill aim for? am currently 34-25-33

>>9256634
Looks like Geller's, though I think Simons also did a dip-dye thing.

At any rate, could probably buy any well-fitting white jumper and dye it yourself. That's been my plan for a while now.

Do you wish balaclavas were /fa/ and socially acceptable? As in "wont get you shot every time you enter a store" acceptable,

is wearing a black sweater with SLOWDIVE written across in grey childish?
Slater wears Merzbow shirts

>>9257024
>2011+3
>Get shot in Finland

>>9257034
w2c?

>>9257035
east helsinki :DD

>>9257053
made one based off the t-shirt they sell on their site

>>9255677
email them and ask you helpless faggot.

Got a $50 Macy's gift card for Christmas. What's worth copping there?

Hey, I'm new to this effay thing. Bought a pair of N&F deep indigo stretch selvedge the other day, I'm already wearing them a lot; but I feel like most of my old wardrobe isn't quite up to par with this nice pair of jeans.

I checked tuxbell for Canadian stores, but I'm still not quite sure where to cop good sweaters/cardigans for ~CAD 150. Do you know any place where I could get that, whether physical or online?

Thanks.

I got Timberlands for Christmas. Is the regular wheat colorway versatile or should I really return it for blacked out Timbs?

How do Rick dunks and Geos fit?

I'm size 45 in Raf Velcro Highs
and 45 in marigela futures
US11 in Stan smith
US11 in jordans
Would i just go tts or a size down?

I bought the norse projects elka coat and it fits great everywhere except the sleeves are a little too long and wide. If I bring these to a tailor do you think it could be fixed because I don't think you can tailor PVC.

>>9257692
Size down one

What to look for in winter jackets? I'm talking -15 degrees celsius here.
Also what are the effay appeoved winter jacket brands, prefferably something that's sleek and not too bulky, but will also keep you warm. Been looking at this one

>>9257692
>Raf Velcro Highs
>jordans
>futures
you do not have the wardrobe for these i can already tell
you will look like a NYC twitter "F A S H I O N" (asap rocky esque) kid
but they fit TTS if you wanted to not consider the above

Looking for a sleek backpack,for use during school when I'm not carrying a tote around.The pack should be able to comfortably carry a moleskine,macbook air, filofax and a DSLR on occasion.The Daypack from iise looks really nice and is the style I'm looking for but isn't limited to that.
If it helps I dress in a refined form of streetwear nothing as garish as Bape/Supreme/HBA fans would look like, e.g on a warm day i'll wear an ocbd, pinrolled chino and flyknit airmax

Thank you

>>9257778
being presumptuous never pays off. im sure youre wrong as fuck.

So basically rebooting myself even though I've been here a year, so I'm thinking of starting with sweatshirts. Who makes some decent sweatshirts? I'm 5'11 and pretty skinny. Trying to keep it mildly cheap. How are American Apparel sweatshirts?

>>9255095
Fjällräven greenland jacket

>>9257883
Post fit lol

Is End Clothing having a problem with visa debit cards? I'm trying to use a debit card from Christmas, and its saying the payment is not going through, and that the card doesn't work.
I know for a fact it has enough money on it

>>9257919
why should i post a fit? im not him, and i wasnt the one talking shit

>>9257976
bumpity

>>9257593
Bump. Online stores are fine as long as they ship to Canada.

>>9257035
In Finland you dont get shot, you get stabbed

Should I size down for Red Wing Postman's?

>>9257919
>>9257778
It was a simple question damn

>>9255564
These aren't fucking docs, they're from Public School.

Wtf kind of shoes can I buy to use when wearing buttoned shirt and light jeans? I feel so off in these.

Where do I cop some Japanese streetcore like stussy?

>>9258656
Very funny 10/10

>>9256364
Yeah he's definitely generating over 120 million in sales from /fa/'s userbase. Please never post outside of this containment thread.

req pic of those 4 guys walking down the street in monochrome shit

>>9257762
Signal boosting this

>>9258498
white pf flyers

Can someone help me finding the best sites and times to buy cps's. I get that buying at retail is a bad idea but when are the best opportunities to get the best deals?

what to wear with cotton pants
what shoes

>>9259115
I second this. Looking for white achilles low in 42

>>9259227
jeans are made of cotton, specify you nigger

in need of skinny-fit chinos...
where's a good place to get them?

>for a guy btw

>>9259232
sorry I meant wool

>>9259254
>korean girls

>>9259445
lol what a fag

>>9250857
Stan Smiths IMO. Nike Roshe are pretty meme. No band tees, go basic. White on white on white on white on white on white on white on white on white on white on white
Sincerly, Theis

>>9251210
Dude. Stop det der fucking memecore.

>>9259487
Sincerely*

>>9259254
extrem qt

>>9255564
I have this but from Cotton On and I always wondered which designer they ripped it from

>>9250883
Fuck where were you 3 months ago, I bought a pair of basketball shoes I am never going to wear because I realized I like Heritage/prep not hip-hop core

>>9259445
good thing they prepared a blanket

>>9260523
>liking prep

>>9250682
how long does it usually take for UNIQLO to replenish their stocks? all their good shirts are sold out.

>>9260547
S A L T Y
A A
L L
T T
Y Y

>>9260547

what buzzcut number is this?

>>9252667
>

>>9260592
It's hard to tell from a picture m8, how it looks like depends on density and color of hair. I would go with 5 mm, but might as well be 3, check for yourself.

>>9260592
jenny death when

>>9260583
Go Hawks!

looking for a hat like, hers where to cop?

preferably <60

>>9261102
Are you a female? It's a wide brimmed hat, not sure where to find good ones though.

>>9261102
probably urban outfitters

>>9251210
I honestly think you'll be scaring little kids if you go out like that.

>>9255564
I like everything but the shoes. Can I have your jacket? plz

>>9255695
Those blue black shoes aren't doing you any good. You should really consider replacing those asap.

>fuccboi

http://www.vice.com/read/toy-shoot-fuccboi-923?utm_source=vicefbus

>>9255724
I agree with that.

>>9255753
Tacky, wear it around him though.

>>9255780
I'll say no because I'm not a fan of those styles.

>>9257762
NICEEEEEE

>>9261162
Fuck off vice stop advertising your website here

>>9261175

>>9261193

>>9261196
>is this vaporwave?

>>9261198
>Jedi goth
>>9259505

>>9261199

>>9261200
>>9251031
>fuccboi

>>9256462
Step it up, senpai

does anyone know about the quality of uniqlo denims or their chinos?

>>9256832
thanks, ive always wanted a raf dip died sweater but can never find the ones i want for sale. lol im pretty autistic when it somes to diy stuff

>>9259445
shes Chinese mang

Can someone ID the two on the left at the front?

>>9259115
>>9259228

who ever told you only buy CPs on sale is just gloating in their own lucky purchase.


It is VERY seldom that CP achilles low go on sale, and EVEN if that happens there is an even slimmer chance it will be in your color and then even slimmer chances in your size.


So there is no best time to buy CPs achilles low on sale because they barely ever do, and it's never a full stock list when it does.


So just buckle up buds and save up that extra $100 you thought you'd save on sale. Not hard to do.

>>9261418
all my friends on /fa/ such as trunks and seig told me that you are ugly and can't dress stylishly even after living on here for 3 years so why should i EVER listen to yo???

Any /fa/ approved cargo pants, for walking, biking and other outdoor pursuits

So I'm buying some shoes on sufu for the first time, and I have never bought anything through a forum before, can someone please show me an example of what a typical invoice looks like? Is the invoice supposed to have your address?

>>9258855
i hope this is it

fuckin sick

any shorts you guys recommend for summer?

>>9261499

gant rugger canvas shorts are my personal favorite but be warned that they are short and very skinny fitting

>>9261369
RL, Nautica baseball caps

>>9261484
>tesco nylon bucket hat
2nxtlvl4me

>>9261526
Thanks but I meant the specific model. Do you have any ideas?

w2c gf

Where can i buy interesting shoelaces for my nike free 5.0s?
And is wearing interesting shoelaces /fa/ or /autism/?

>>9255972
It's HBA

Im looking for an alternative to Vans sk8 his, any suggestions?

hey guys, are levis 510 still as skinny as they used to be? i read some reviews about how they're baggier now.
also, which color levis 510 would fit best with stan smiths?

>>9262783
Nike Blazer?

>>9262805
>>9262783
warning:
14yearold-core

>>9262799
they feel like slims now. so no.

>>9262967
so what similar price range skinny jeans could you recommend?

>>9262799
they're not skinny by any definition. higher rise than mom jeans, baggier than the 511s. they really fucked them up hard.

Just copped this shirt, already have a few ideas on what to wear with it but wondering what you guys would do?

>>9261751
Autism or niggerism

>>9263213
i just mean like simple laces like this, not my little pony laces

are Levi 510s really as shit quality as the online reviews are leading me to believe? should I bite the bullet and try to find a pair to try on? I tried 3 different stores today and couldn't find a pair

>>9262799
oh shit, looks like someone already sort of asked that.

okay, so any cheap skinny jean alternatives out there/

>>9264709
I'm pretty sure 510's are one of the go-tos for skinny jeans here.

>>9250690
I bought some, very happy with them

>>9264709
>>9264777

fuck the new 510 cut. the rise is uncomfortably long and makes them either high waisted or just a little too drop-crotchy to be casual, and the leg is no longer as slim as it used to be. I tried on all the pairs we stock at my workplace and they all fit extremely inconsistently... they also flare out slightly at the hem.

if you really can't afford anything else (and I'd go qlo over the new 510 any day) at least try them on in a store, bring like 3 different pairs of the same size in and see which fits the least shitty. buying them online is a deathwish.