/fa/ - Fashion

>>9046417
is this what you really look like hani, just wondering

Posting some Jan Jan.

>>9046486

>>9046493

>>9046469
not really, that photo is like 3 years old at this point
i look different, not necessarily better, but i'd like to think less ugly
>>9046486
if you didn't know, all the knitwear in project #2: redeem, and in fact in almost all of jan jan's work that I know of, was knit by antwerp's master knitter, hilde frunt, which i think is a great example of how jan jan keeps everything local, even though china is the "go-to" place for knitwear, especially more experimental stuff (like sibling or yamamoto do)
>>9046493
the sakiori pieces are so beautiful, really upset that the felted wool sweat sold out all ready

>>9046417
Damn this shit is actually on point

>>9046498

>>9046417

hani, why do you keep making these threads?
do you think we care about jarjar van asche?

Hani you dick stop trying to force designers , it makes them seem like a joke.

>>9046417
fuck off hack to caretags

>>9046721
some people seem to?
>>9046726
eh, i've seen talk about and purchase of schneider go up quite a bit, which is great, it's great to see smaller labels get some recognition and support

the best thing to do about a thread you don't care about is ignore it
reasons why people might not like jan jan
it's not affordable for the base
there's no second hand market
it's not redeeming for a lot of body types without extensive styling

>>9046748
I think Jan Jan's clothing is just nice to look at as art.

>>9046762
good for you

>this thread again

>>9046748
i understand it's not affordable for a lot of the high-school-age students on here, but there do seem people who buy acne, or even rick at retail
and i'm not particularly tall, nor muscular, but i find jan jan's clothing incredibly accommodating, more so than even yohji, i have friends even shorter whom it looks great on
but yeah, if people don't like my thread, they can ignore it as easily as the hair or "copornot" threads
>>9046531
such a beautiful piece

>>9046794
jan jan, objectively, commands much higher prices than rick and acne.
acne, which is specifically filling the kind of bridge between designer and fast fashion at a pricepoint which is just below designer.
rick, t-shirts at retail go $300~?
i'm looking at a jan jan raglan right now that is $100 more.
keeping in mind jan jan does not have nearly as many employees, shows blah blah to chip in for.

i'm not saying jan jan's clothing is unflatering or only for certain body types but that his sizing is very ambiguous and more a measurement of 'the volume of cloth used' opposed to how it pulls against the body. fundamentally someone approaching maybe... a zara cardigan compared to a jan jan cardigan will find the zara cardigan much more accomodating or easier to wear, because the jan jan is stylistically intimidating/ostentatious.

why is your thread any better than a cop or not thread?
this is actually a thinly disguised and extensive grails thread.

Just a little advice Deux. Instead of just spamming JJVE everywhere and making these threads, why not make a thread dedicated to artisanal pieces and designers. I would be very interested to see what some of the more intelligent and competent people here would have to say about that.

>>9046843
there's no reason this thread can not become that.

>>9046832
I don't think Jan Jan is directing his designs toward people who would shop at zara or unwilling to spend a lot on simple pieces since that seems to be more what your getting at. No fast fashion donning fashionista is going to give a fuck about the quality or material of a piece, just the price and what it looks like. This is the same with most people here, the majority of posters here can't afford JJVE that is very right, but they also don't have any interest in him. This means having enough money isn't even the problem it's just a lack of taste or an unwillingness to break away bomber, Black skinnies, and chelseas attire. If someone truly loves his pieces understands the work that goes into every single step in making the pieces then I'm almost positive they would have little hesitation to drop $400 on a shirt. Which is similarly priced to Rick unless I'm mistake, Rick has also had pieces much higher priced that Jan Jan and I would argue that the quality isn't even up to the level Jan Jan has set.

>>9046850
It basically did last time. I just think if it was labeled as such more people would notice it or be willing to post. Where as now it's basically the same people posting as last time, not to mention many people won't even click on this thread because they think it's spam.

>>9046832
on the rick store, a pair of astaire pants costs 500 euros, the swinger pants cost a comparable amount - the balloon pants, both cropped and full-length, in different materials, all float around this price, some a bit over 500 euros and some close to 450 or even 400
similarly to outerwear, jan jan's outerwear, say the felted wool coat with the sakiori collar, is about 400 euros less than similar rick outerwear, like the belted wool coat, and jan jan's "kimono blazer" is far less, just around 900 euros
if we're further looking at price: jan jan doesn't sell a ton of basics in the same way Rick does to offset costs of some other things - almost everything is low production run, and it all gets sold. and because there are very low production runs and it isn't outsourced to an extremely competitive italian firm making a relatively huge (relative to jan jan's output that is) number of pieces, especially for tees/tanks, jan jan certainly isn't producing as efficiently as rick, but in my opinion, it's certainly a better product - none of the textiles rick has used are anything like those i have from jan jan
the zara comparison is complete trash - you could say the same thing about any number of designers - because they don't appeal to the target demographic of fast fashion, who are perfectly fine with uninspired or outright plagarized design and cheap synthetic blends because it's cheap, its not accommodating? in terms of fit, it's far more accommodating and universal
>>9046865 covers it far better and more eloquently than I do
>>9046843
it's just to discuss his work, it's basically me being evangelical, but hey, the same thing worked for schneider on here

holy shit you people care too much about clothes...

>>9046865
>>9046865
umm...
no ones trying to mind read jan jan and no one is in the position to mind read jan jan. taking an avaerage audience, maybe one on /fa/, that is not interested in much else but how a garment accommodates themselves aesthetically i think the values instilled in a zara cadigan translate more tactically than that in a jan jan.

wow, i just finished reading your post and it pretty much entirely agrees with what i've said.
the reasons why people won't show interest in jan jan:
>>9046748

this also reminds me why sruli would put out like... booklets or huge disclaimers about the product - to try and translate it to the consumer.

>someone truly loves his pieces understands the work that goes into every single step in making the pieces then I'm almost positive they would have little hesitation to drop $400 on a shirt.
i mean sure, but to be honest i'd much rather a rick tee because i understand it better and it's actually, pretty genius - in how it concerns for the customer, and i'm aboud dat.
but i don't see it in jan jan.

yes... rick has had pieces that go over 10,000...
but if we're taking t-shirt for t-shirt or trouser for trouser 'contextualising it' then they operate on a similar price point, jan jan being a touch more expensive.
naw, soz - a rick t-shirt shits on jan jan.

>>9046915
>/fa/ - fashion

>>9046895
>>9046843
yea tbh i didn't really consider buying anything from jan jan until this thread, for what it's worth

>>9046519
so you're still ugly?

post recent pic

>>9046895
umm, your whole comparison is a facade.
you need to compare things which are similar
so i'll take this
http://www.openingceremony.us/products.asp?menuid=1&designerid=1832&productid=119450&sproductid=119451&color=BLACK&size=S
and i'll pit it against a pair of rick wool pants
http://www.rickowens.eu/en/men/products/ru14f2350zl-09
after conversion the rick pants are $30 cheaper.

the rick trousers have a more complex cut, and are more time consuming to produce yet operates at a lower price point.
(wool tailored trousers vs wool jogging pants)
the next closest rick peice were a pair from drkshdw that were 300e.

you need to compare likes...not this random meaningfulness bullshit
you know you can't bull shit with me so stop.

>jan jan doesn't sell a ton of basics in the same way Rick does
yes he does, i'm looking at a page full of simple knits, t-shirts and jogging pants.

you're correct but jan jan also doesn't need to pay for those costs or production, the costs of fashion week twice a year, the costs of advertising, the costs of shippping, the costs of paying his army of staff etc, all these things are made up by selling the product.

rick has different and more ambitious textiles than jan jan, there isn't even a need to argue this. rick can afford more and can do more, and does more.

umm, the point of the zara comparison, which you've misunderstood is that a jan jan piece, looking at it from a average consumer view, looks whack and hard to integrate into said persons wardrobe (I WOULD IMAGINE) which is why maybe it's not being ripped off by fast fashion houses. the zara piece, in comparison, in the condition of 'how will i wear this' is a lot more approachable for the popular.

i'm actually... not interested in continuing this with you until you kind of.. tailor off your bull shit straw manning, or comprehend things rationally.

>>9046918
> i think the values instilled in a zara cadigan translate more tactically than that in a jan jan
this is complete crap
i talked trouser for trouser in >>9046895, and outerwear too, to say nothing of knitwear either - which are similarly priced for wool (and linen, not that i've seen any linen knits from rick), and the yak knit is similarly priced to the more distressed knit that's reminiscent of some CDG ones - i don't know how handiwork factors in, but the yak jan jan sources is certainly more expensive than virgin wool
i don't know who's responsible for rick's knits, probably someone contracted by olmar & mirta, but i know my linen knit is fantastic, and a friend claimed the yak knit from redeem is the best piece of knitwear he's ever worn - also probably being handknit on a far smaller scale than rick's knitwear
>>9046957
not going to happen

>>9046978
it's not crap because zara's volume sold proves my point exactly.
it translates better for the average consumer.

you'll need to reference better, because you didn't compare similar... or even provide anything real, you just did a bunch of hand waving and assumptions.
take a deep breath, one step at a time.
we can get to the knits later... right now we're dealing with wool pants.
we can get to cdg later, right now it's JJVE and rick.
>yak jan jan sources is certainly more expensive than virgin wool
can you prove that?
i would imagine that since he said he sourced it from local farmers in mongolia... but the current economic climate in mongolila kind of facilitates important and foreign enterprise... so i wouldn't be surprised if it was fostered at a trade show or something.
for all i know about how rick sources his virgin wool he could be nurturing a small herd of sheeps at his estate in paris and shearing them all himself.

i really don't care about the anecdotal probably bias opinions from you or your friends.

>>9046918
You seem to be just unwilling to take into consideration that Rick is not everyone's favorite designer or even favored aesthetic. You are just as bad as all the people here who only accept the uniform and go crazy for the most boring and derivative designs, just because you don't understand the designer or piece does not mean it isn't worth the money.
>values instilled in a zara cardigan
What does that even mean, are you saying that Zara has some underlying ethos, hidden message or political agenda. A zara piece will always stick out in the wrong way. The best example that comes to mind was a fit dyeldave posted a little while back. He was basically cloning that one Rick fit used on the Birthday card, instead of using a Rick cardigan or poncho or whatever he used a zara Cape. And it looked exactly like you would expect sure it is oversized and draped and black but it just made him look like this bloob of black with geos sticking out. JJVE can't even really be compared to Zara imo their fanbase(?) are polar opposites. I don't know why you are so fixated on zara but w/e moving along. Rick isn't cheaper than Jan Jan though, why you refuse to accept this is beyond me. Deux was right it's the opposite they are similar prices but Rick is usually slightly more. You also funnily enough forgot to mention my comment on Ricks quality which has slowly been dropping, even though prices are the same. Obviously you have a very different style from me but that shod be no reason to be close minded to another aesthetic.

>>9046978
>>9046973
Arguing price point and comparing his work to Rick, or Zara is just a waste of time.

His clothing is beautiful and interesting and unique.

>>9047011
TL's peepee is getting soft merz. What else am I forgetting?
>Price=!quality
>more trivial zara comparisons
And lastly
>zara buyers are the same people who buy artisanal clothing.

>>9047013
?
no, where have i assumed that?
why are you like... trying to personally attack me.

"values instilled in a zara cardigan"
so, trying to disposition myself as a zara consumer, i would imagine that i have very little concern for the design or ethical integrity of the product - therefore these subjects are censored to me and the values i hold most important are the ones a zara cardigan manifest so eloquently "the values instilled in a zara cardigan, as i understand them (as a zara consumer)".
i don't look at the waywt so i don't have that reference.

so, again, i made the comparison to translate why someone might have trouble relating to a jan jan product, using the zara cardigan as the antagonist, they're polar opposities in many ways but there are also share characters. they're both cloth and they're both wraps. different materials, different cut, similar~ shape, similar utility.
i made the zara comparison because it made sense in the context i was constructing, i could use anything.
sorry if i offended the local JJVE cultists by having his name in the same sentence as zara.

rick is cheaper then jan jan... and i proved it...
i, proved, it. using real retail examples.

that's true, but even if we look back - maybe four years when it wasn't but operated at maybe a cheaper price point then it does now it was even more affordable than jan jan.

why are there like... these weird flecks of personal attacks
is the jan jan consumer so insecure they can not hold a conversation without restorting to some absurd ad hominem ?

>>9047015
>>9047030
this is so bizzare...
it's like, these people really want a conversation (>>9046843) but the minute something resists their pet designer they just resort to these obscure personal vendettas

be rational.

>>9046973
or compare these trousers: http://www.ateliersolarshop.be/product/trousers-20-by-jan-jan-van-essche
with rick's cropped astaire?
http://www.rickowens.eu/en/men/products/ru14f2359wl-09
i'm not an expert in pattern-making but the construction on the balloon pants don't seem particularly simple?
i also compared http://www.ateliersolarshop.be/product/coat-6-by-jan-jan-van-essche and http://www.rickowens.eu/en/men/products/ru14f2979td-09
yes the rick piece has more complex construction but the handwoven collar on the jan jan jacket is very time consuming in itself, and the jacket in question is considerably cheaper
and you're acting like opening ceremony's buy constitutes all of jan jan's output for a project. everything gets produced, but even opening ceremony doesn't do a buy that's anywhere near complete - other stores like table of contents and suspension point picked up the trousers, knits, jackets, sweaters, even the yak cardigan. go on h lorenzo's buy instead of OC even
and it's true that rick has to factor all these things into the price, but keep in mind how much bigger his production runs are, and how much more he sells, hence how he can distribute the cost over a far wider range of pieces, and how he can benefit off economies of scale in these runs - when you buy an insane yardage of fabric for your tees, at a lower price per yard, of course you can do things cheaper

>>9046973
as for textiles, different, of course i will acquiesce, but more ambitious? i prefer what jan jan is doing, working with natural fibres for the most part, and textiles with a lot of handiwork - hand felted wool, handwoven sakiori-type collars and cuffs - which i appreciate, and feeling the different textiles, there's a beautiful amount of variety (just from the patchwork on my pants, which is made from about 30 different textiles) perhaps rick is more experimental but what jan jan is doing is very ambitious, much like geoffrey, in a current world of synthetic-heavy blends even from great labels like schneider and kolor
and again, i don't know why you're evaluating jan jan's work from the point of the basic consumer? it just seems like a waste of time: yes, the zara consumer, this lowest common denominator, in the same way rick (beyond perhaps some of the jeans) or yohji's work probably wouldn't, especially when you take price into consideration? Most people don't like ambitious and experimental clothing or even textiles, so it just seems like a red herring to bring into a conversation about the merit of a fdesigner's work
or bullshit strawmanning as you say..

>>9047043
I was honestly confused why you were so hellbent on using zara as a comparison. The vast majority of zara consumers will never buy anything higher quality than zara so it just seemed strange. And yes some Rick pieces are cheaper I would still say a majority are more expensive.(I hope you don't mind if I don't quote specific points and just infer what I'm referencing from your post)Of course Jan Jan's pieces have hold a look that is not easily adapted too but that is the same for Rick. A person completely decked out in Rick looks very strange to average Zara consumer. Again you have dodged the question of Rick's quality and materials vs. Jan Jan's. His materials may be cheaper and his process might not take as long but that in no way means a piece is inferior. By asking you to address that statement I am by no means attacking you I just want to know what you think. Lastly I have no vendetta against you. Do I not like how you conduct yourself on the Internet sometimes? Yes sometimes. Do I think you can be rude and spiteful? Yes. But just like I would hope you the latest of me, I hold no personal feelings to you. Don't be such a victim not everyone is out to get you, your a pretty cool guy besides that, and I have said it before I respect your knowledge and what you have done. I guess it's just not for me all the time.

>>9047052
this is a poor comparison,
i'll do a better one. it's actually blindly obvious what would be the better example, i wonder why you ignored it.
rick
http://www.rickowens.eu/en/men/products/du14f4380f-09
jan jan
http://www.ateliersolarshop.be/product/trousers-20-by-jan-jan-van-essche
rick cheaper by $200
the seat gusset being different
materials similar however

looking at the cut, they offer very similar range of motion/utility but in this model rick chose to keep the panel extending into the back of the waistband while jan jan chose to enclose it before the waist band.

as far as that is concerned i don't think there is much difference in sewing procedure. pattern difference.

the astaire trousers or whatever are actually more time consuming to produce than both...

why are we comparing these two jackets?
they're entirely different
god this is so stupid.

yeah, but you made the argument that jan jan doesn't make a lot of basics or something - but he does (and that's really promising).
i didn't deny the existence that jan jan makes other things outside of t-shirts and jogging pants, it was again, to prove that he does make basics or whatever.

>and it's true that rick has to factor
the reason i didn't bring it up, when i easily could have much earlier is because it is incredibly hard to compare ricks operation to jan jan's. RICK has more costs - full stop. even if we qualify that cost of production % reduces with volume there are other things money is poured into (like the rent and upkeep of his flagships) but the way he's structured his company means that it translates back to the clothing and therefore the clothing affords it. the whole, dynamic consideration is too hard to have but again, the ending sentiment is - it's way more expensive for rick.
jan jan is smaller so the costs of production are relatively HUGE therefore the cost of producing one jan jan t-shirt (excluding fabric consumption) is greater, and that's what gets translated into the price

>>9047015
>beautiful and interesting and unique
I bet that's how'd you describe yourself too given the chance you special snowflake fuck

>>9047115
LOL
why the FUCK
are u autists arguing about which is more affordable
who fucking cares

rick owens could charge 50% less on everything he sells and still make a healthy profit, hes even lowering production costs further.

jjve is a smaller operation and could easily justify starting at a higher pricepoint

what does it even matter though, fucking sperglords arguing about which one is more competitively priced like its a matter of their artistic integrity/merit

honestly the mental gymnastics that must occur in u simps infantile brains to turn a 'discuss a designers work' thread into

"YEH BUT LIKE U GOTTA COMPARE THE PIECES AND LIKE THIS PIECE IS LIKE 75% SIMILAR TO THIS PIECE BUT I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE AN EVEN BETTER COMPARISON, SO WE LOOKED AT THE DATA AND WE ReALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DATA AND ANALYSE THE DATA SO WE CAN ASCERTAIN WHICH DESIGNER OF LUXURY CLOTHING GOODS IS MORE JUSTIFIED IN SELLING THE THINGS THEY DO AT THE PRICES THEY DO"

fuck u 'people' are braindead

>>9047076
rick's textiles are more ambitious
HUN, under mainline.
i actually... don't feel like i need to prove this, go watch a few rick shows or something.

Geoffrey is different since it's all recycled or very particularly selected.

why are you like...suddenly jumping around designers - i don't have the time to consider everyone at once...
it's not a red herring at all in the context i provided.

>>9047092
you need to put aside your obligations to the lord and Savior JJVE and be more critical about why and how things operate.
sorry, your umm "rick shit is more expensive" argument is a complete fallacy, and i've proved that.
you're right, it could be the same for rick. but i used zara, not rick - this is a strawman
i'm not saying that JJVE is any less intimidating than rick, it could be just as alien to the zara consumer but i contextualsied zara and JJVE because the subject is JJVE and zara is a noteworthy extreme.
i didn't say the pieces were inferior but that the price point is higher which is one of the reasons why it may not make sense for someone to buy.
your question is entirely meaningless, sorry.

your whole this is flecked with personal attacks, whether you appreciate it or not - that's the reality.

why are you so concerned with me, god you're weird.
what is this like... pathetic 'i'm not mean you're mean' bull shit. go moan somewhere else.

>>9047154
I love you pigfuck.

>>9047154

keepin it real

>>9047165
i haven't handled Hun, because you know damn well I haven't had the opportunity to - the stores I've been to only stock mainline rick and sometimes some denim, and i don't have access to a flagship? so how is one tiny facet of
and yes, it's all VERY particularly selected, as is jan jan's? like geoffrey, jan jan tries extremely hard to select only from local mills, working with them on new textiles - however, he does source some things, like alpaca, yak, etc from other places and some other yarns from the knits from an italian textile manufacturer.
i just use comparisons because for me its the easiest way to facilitate understanding i.e jan jan uses natural textiles, because like geoffrey, he thinks it makes a better product that wears better with age, and like geoffrey, works a lot with the natural colors/natural dyes for the same reason
the cdg comparison was just a visual comparison: i didn't know the product name but it reminded me of the similar low-gauge sweaters i'd seen from comme? sorry for assuming you were familiar with them, i'll just link the product page instead next time

i'm not the one making the personal attacks the person who wrote >>9047092 isn't me

>>9047220
so how is one tiny facet of rick's work suddenly representative of his use of textiles all across his menswear*

>>9047220
i've never handled hun.
i didn't say JJVE's wasn't but that it's different - in that it's not very experimental as it is concerned about providing a really solid product.
good for JJVE, but rick's textiles are still more whack. you're just kind of repeating the same thing. yes JJVE has good textiles. are they as varied and diverse as rick's? no.
yeah, the JJVE and GBS example actually works wonderfully. but i think GBS is more about conserving and inventing a product which is still brilliant from what would otherwise be remnants or discarded (from second hand stuff) using old European sewing techniques, which JJVE doesn't priortise.
who cares about the CDG comparison, it sounds stupid.

Is this the aspergers thread?

>>9047225
it's not
it's that hun, rick owens mainline, furniture, drkshdw, and lily are all facets of the owenscorp company. which is considered rick's works.

>>9046417
Can somebody ITT please prove that they actually own something from JJVE?

>>9047266
pretty sure Hani owned 1 piece, every other person who posted in here besides him and pigfuck is probably piss poor

>>9047165
Sorry for wasting your time. You are just making everything I'm saying a superlative at this point. I like Jan Jan I don't worship him and I haven't been talking about him any less than you have Rick.

OK Rick costs less money awesome, you can now brag that to every person you meet on the street(this is not a personal attack). Quality is not irrelevant at all if Rock's prices are cheaper but the craftsmanship isn't on the same level the money you spent on Rick is entirely pointless imo(disregarding the incredibly different styles). I might be putting to much emphasis on quality and the materials but it seems to be a benchmark of if something is worth buying and spelling out some serious money or not.

I am not concerned with you per se, it is more I don't want you to think I hate you for some silly reason. I don't. My writing style seems to be negative by default even if it is not intended; so when I was saying all that maybe it came off as rude but it was not meant personally I can promise this.

>>9047283
why don't you read what you post, this is just embarrassing.

>>9047283

>>9047115
as for the comparison between the pod shorts and the balloon trousers, i'll admit that it's my lack of knowledge in patterncutting, but it seems the way rick cuts the drop crotch on the pods i've tried on is so different to the cut of the crotch on my jan jan van essche pants, which are similar to the balloon pants. there is the back panel that extends all the way to the waistline where in the jan jan pants there is just the centre seam that extends up from the diamond insert (gusset i suppose) at the crotch, where the panel seems easier to fit
do you mind explaining it to me?
>>9047266
give me a second and i will take some pictures!


> jan jan doesn't make a lot of basics or something
i wasn't denying anywhere that jan jan makes basics, but what i was saying is that jan jan doesn't make a lot of anything is what i was saying. he may make more tees and trousers than some of the coats (which are produced in fewer than 3 or 4 per size if i recall correctly), but overall he's not making a lot of basics to offset the costs of other pieces ( i don't mean a lot of basics as in a lot of styles of basic but more that individual "basic" styles aren't produced in a great number)

and with the latter part: doesn't that means we're in agreement? per piece for jan jan the costs are higher and hence that is why the price is high whereas rick has higher costs overall but due to the scale at which he produces and sells his able to better distribute them over the garment - the cost of manufacturing the garment is decreasing but the price is supplemented by the other costs (Rent, wages, michelle's jewelry, etc)

>>9047294
>michelle's jewelry, etc

Fucking lol'd.

>>9047294
what do you mean by cut?
you just repeated the exact same thing i typed right back to me, but like, paraphrased it really badly.
no, go read a book.

>>9046469
hani, if you look this bad why even bother with fashion?

we all know about all your shitty fashion phases. they've been plastered all over the internet and this is just going to just be another one of those.

you're a joke lol

?>>9047291
>>9047290
Nice

>>9047266
Line sweater from uhuru sasa, patchwork pants from proceed

>>9047333
wow i bet u can see ur gyno really good in that, cute

post a fit!!

>>9047306
woops i didn't finish your post

so, this is the initial thing you said
> jan jan doesn't sell a ton of basics in the same way Rick does to offset costs of some other things
but he does, he does make basics, and probably a proportionally = amount to rick (given the difference in volume)
no, we're not in agreement because your initial point was 'jan jan's shit is (money wise) cheaper than ricks' in which i went to completely (and successfully) deny you.
and NOW you're in agreement - yes, jan jan stuff costs more to buy.

wow actually.. the way you've understood it is completely wrong
i'm drawing on information i learned from a economics class like three years ago. but your rational doesn't operate in a commercial economics scheme... go read a book on economics too...

Rick can offer a BETTER product and CHEAPER product because his company more efficiently distributes the workload and therefore dollar for dollar is more competitive than jan jan's
rickalsosellshimselbetterbuthat'sdifferent

>>9047341
rick is shit dude lmao

fucken fanboy faggot buyen ss14 geos from ln-cc
ahahah

>>9047306
ok, if you won't explain, what book?
i assume it will be a ~800 page patternmaking textbook?
>>9047341
we're in agreement about where the costs in the prices comes from
and that's literally what i said? going back to >>9046895
> jan jan certainly isn't producing as efficiently as rick, but in my opinion, it's certainly a better product

and you've yet to conclusively prove that rick's shit is cheaper? like yes its difficult to compare the products, and there are some where jan jan is more expensive (pants and shirting), some where rick is more expensive (knitwear, outerwear), and some where they're about at parity (hoodies/sweatshirts). their pricing is entirely comparable, and in cases cheaper?

saw some patchwork trousers @ tokio7 for cheap a couple weeks ago in ~31 for you nyc /fa/ggots

>>9047343
Why are you trying so hard to act relevant? Go start a Raf thread using the same 15 pictures you always do.

>>9047291
You really are a strange person. What did I say to you that hurt you so bad that you completely shut down any sort of discussion we were having.

>>9047383
say that to my face bitch, u see this is? this me on my way to the wrestling gym, doubt a punk bitch like u could stand toe to toe with an OG mothafukka like me

>>9047370
someones already recommended you a book. go read that

?
in that post your sentiment was that rick costs a bit more and jan jan a bit less
maybe i misunderstood but i'm fairly certain throughout you were pushing 'rick is more expensive'

but i've made... real examples... using real comparisons.

as far as i'm concerned - my argument is more conclusive and real than your argument has ever been.
yes, of the pieces that are similar rick has consistently operated at a lower price point.
irrefutable, until proven otherwise.

>>9047401
i do plan to at some point, but there are other things i'd rather spend money, even the $80, on at this point, hence why i was asking for that specific explanation? but its no matter, i will just acquiesce out of my ignorance, you *are* probably right

and my initial argument was that people who can afford to buy rick at retail can afford to buy jan jan at retail, and then you were talking about how much more expensive he is - i gave some examples at similar price points, and it spiraled from there
yes you can say "its not comparable" for some items like knitwear and outerwear that don't have directly similar pieces - but thats because rick and jan jan are making very different products as it seems to me, i'm just going for the closest
i did give real comparisons giving webstore links and talking about the items in questions

Live dammit

>>9046417
>>9049008
Man, I'm really thinking about buying that kimono jacket but Idk... have to sleep on it. Have a bump, though.

>>9049153
yo, you know what
how aboud you buy it for me
i'll tell u what's up
and then if you want it i'll send it to u

no worries m8 - opportunity of life time but i wont b upset if u sleep on it
good nite swet princ3

Guess I'll post some stuff in a similar vein.
>fairly new designer using extremely high quality materials and equally high level craftsmanship

>>9049227
thanks for telling us who it is.

>>9049227
Aitor Throup's Veil Jacket

>>9049243
>>9049242
You are so very welcome

Sadly it looks like he will not be putting out collections like this anymore since his move to G-Star, hopefully in a few years this passion for creation from concept will come back and we will all have from him.

>>9049263

>>9046417
jesus christ that du's ugly

>>9046915
The opposite really. Too many people here are completely morons who can't hold an intelligent conversation about fashion to save their lives.

i'm gunna buy some jan jan based on junior's recommendation

wish me luck friends

>>9050079
As much as I agree with you, it is like 4chan it's like asking /mu/ to stop talking about Taylor Swift and Kpop there are just to many normal people out there who aren't into the more inaccessible things and would much rather stay safe in their little bubble of normality. It's just to much to ask not everyone can be into the experimental or Avant garde because the nature of those words is that, if everyone liked something that was way out there it would be way out there anymore it would normal. It is kind of sad how small the percentage actually is of people who are really interested in fashion here. But unless something unimaginable happens it will remain this way, and people like that guy will continue to make comments like that even though this thread is one of the best threads that has happened in a long time.

>>9050101
I think it could look quite interesting on you considering how tall you are.

AMA Request: Merz

this is actually a really fucking lame conversation
it's like, economics 101.

all that it provides for the thread is that some of the JJVE cultists on /fa/... are raging fanboys.

>>9050622
We get it you don't like him, so you can leave now. No one is telling you to say.

>>9050564

hi. i'll bite. don't read this place much, maybe posted twice over the past two years. kind of weird seeing mentions of my name.

>>9052080
Bullshit. But mice try everyone knows you post here regularly. But anyways
>marry, fuck, kill
>Hani, TL, Faust

>>9052103

so was this 'ask me anything' or 'tell me anything' ...?

>>9052080
why did u first start posting on sz and here

>>9052130

sz: i was looking up mentions of something i was involved in at the time and found some on sz and sufu. it just so happened that this was within the first couple of days of sz's existence.

here: had a brief and pointless exchange with tl at his urging. apparently he felt more comfortable talking to me here than elsewhere. truth be told he was more coherent possibly because of the char limit.

>>9052140
hey man u look cool and sick in ur skirts and really powerful like u can maintain a really strong erection even after climax

>>9052147

hi. i don't actually own any skirts. which isn't to say that i'm not open to wearing them, but have not met one I would actually like to.

also, you seem very interested in erections.

>>9052156
merz impersonator whyd u scam that dude man
thats soo
so
low

>>9052178
merz scammed who?

>>9052178

oh. some guy i sold something to 4 years ago suddenly demanded money and i ignored him. anyone can accuse you of scamming. hell, you don't even need to put anything on sale for someone to do that. its kind of like they accuse people of sorcery in africa, put tyres around them and set them on fire. except instead of dying its a bunch of second-rate trolls keking on supertrash. kek indeed.

>>9052178

hey dude have you ever watched the movie "American History X"? If so what did you think about it

>>9052199
fake merz or not i suggest u post regularly
having an absolute blast conversing with u on the internet my man

>>9052156
what do you think about the 4chan fuccbois who shit up your forum

>>9052205

i'm afraid that isn't happening. this is a one-off engagement. i'm cutting myself off from these things because they take up time. plus i've a forum to run that i've kind of neglected.

a bunch of people were responding to anons with my name so i figured may as well directly answer some things in a final gesture.

one funny thing I keep noticing is how much grief TL gets here, and that is a sharp contrast to him being like the biggest cheerleader for 4ch that I've ever spoken to..
he loves you guys..

>>9052213

who do you mean? there's jr, who actually has good taste in music. and he mostly keeps to talking music. there's.. tl. every time he makes a 'serious post', i get several comments from lurking folks who ask 'who is this guy and why does he absolutely not make any sense in anything he writes?' ..and i think that is it? maybe a trunks fit on rare occasion.

>>9052204

good performance from norton
the basketball scene gave me an erection

obviously the intended subtext is that racism is bad/violence and hate is cyclical and generational/hate begets hate etc.

although the ending, from a purely perfunctory perspective only perpetuates that niggers are simple minded scum.(obviously not the intended function)

>>9052223
tl is a dumb faggot and whenever he tries to talk about anything in-depth he writes unintelligible, incomprehensible babble because hes simply not very intelligent.

he also has wide hips and shit taste

if it is merz(doubt it) ban him from unwoven so he has no where to go

>>9052247

>wide hips
i never noticed..

>ban tl
its not the kind of place where i swing around the ban hammer daily. his take on whatever is interesting once you get past the fact that he tries to follow 3-5 tangents at once, so i don't think he is stupid.

>>9052255
this is tl
u let him discuss avant-garde FASHION
on ur FORUM?!?
ughhh the humanity of it all!
he doesnt even discuss fashion as a manifestation of sociological paradigms as dictated by the cultural syntax of 19th century prussian didacticism

uhh it just makes me sick
i take fashion very seriously and this CRETAN treats it like its some FRIVOLOUS game....pathetic

i unsubscribed from unwoven and ceased all my funding to ur internet forum because of him

>>9052255
how do you respond to pigfucks truthtelling

>its drivel mate, circular redundant clauses and empty words written by 21 year old art students in their second year of university or worse, written by mid 20/30 something 'adult males' who wear dresses and post earnestly on online fashion forums.

>i love going on unwoven, gives me them good cringe feels "woooo these people are fucking stupid"

>unwoven is the most embarrassing of all
>in a league of embarrassing boards
>in a genre already inherently embarrassing (online fashion forum)
>unwoven is the most embarrassing, lame, oblivious, pile of steaming shit

hmmmmmmm?

dead @ birthday thinking he was having a legitimate convo w/ tl while misinterpreting everything he said

why unwoven is shit:

asians

shit posters post too much (tl,hani,trouble,senpai)

good posters post too little

>>9052289
sounds just like real life tbh

>>9052284

>pig's thought on unwoven

well, its many things to different people. and there are more people out there who think the mere subject of discussing clothes is something that should by right induce discomfort. since there are some that want to talk about the stuff we discuss on there in the way that we do, it has a place.

i don't spend a lot of time anxiously wondering about criticism from people i'm not aware of. don't imagine others on there do any more so.

> tl, avant-garde fashion, prussian didactism

some of the stuff he wrote sounded exactly like that. but i think he has contributed worthwhile thoughts. just don't get him going about sruli. at any rate, unwoven isn't an avant-garde fashion forum, but clothes are an important subject that connects many others.. and then there is wywt as a habit.

im having an absolute blast in sufu waywt, i feel like this will get me banned but got dam

its wild and whirly
its rough and tumble
but
it
is
fun

>>9052295
;)

>>9052295

i'm not sure they are ready for your level of dedication.

>>9052303
i was in the shower what did u say in chat m8e

>>9052294

shut the fujk up

>>9052319

your wish is my command. its been pleasant enough. if you're thinking some anon's post to be mine from here on, i assure you it will not be the case.

>>9052324
come back soon!

>>9052319
Watch the potty-mouth, honey.

>>9052326
fucken manlet

>>9052336
my height compares to a dozen sufu users stacked on each other

i think i'm good

>>9052342

what is merz's forum?

also what's the sizing like on jjve? 6/165 here

>>9052288
Nice. I would disagree with you though I felt that I held my own in that discussion and stayed true to my argument.

Hani come back to your thread seeing you try to hang with pf and trunks is embarrassing.

>>9052803
unwoven.org
its hella sick
heck im thinking of pledging this season

>>9046417

Is JJVE /fa/'s new meme designer?

>>9052951
Nah one guy is just spamming it everywhere like with Schneider but I mean if you had to like two new designers those are some of the best.

OP W2C this mans fabric poncho
it is bootiful

>>9052803
unwoven.org
its hella sick
heck im thinking of pledging this season

>>9053840
It's just a square scarf

>>9053840
it's the wrap shawl from c#3 in awe, seen here
>>9052803
sounds like you'd be a medium in the newer pieces, as for the one size fits all pieces, there's little room to worry about sizing lol

>>9054771
>sounds like you'd be a medium in the newer pieces,
thanks man

>>9046417

>tfw no artsy fashionable bf

Hows the fit on jjve's clothing? I'm not so if most of these oversized pieces would look as nice as someone who's only 5'4 and average weight. I imagine tall and slender people could pull it off as with most things. Any opinions?

man I fucking love knits, this shit looks so pretty and comfy

I wish I could find it used, then I could afford it

>>9055049

Yeah you're right, 5'4 LMFAO just kill yourself why are you even on this board dont even try

>>9055147
When will they learn?

Just reroll.

>>9055147

5'4" is average. that memes tired out

>>9055222
>5'4" is average

In peru?

>>9055147
in the u.s, 5' 10" is average

>>9055230

For a woman in America. Most women here are around 5'4

>>9055398
Women don't know how to use computers though.

>>9055412

You're right bro, this is actually her boyfriend typing it up for her. She wanted to know if his pieces would still look all right on people around her height

>>9055049
depends on the piece to be honest
i can imagine the knits and sweatshirts would work relatively well, everyone has to roll the sleeves anyway
the jackets and pants, definitely not, nor the tunic-type pieces

>>9052803
http://nwvn.net/

>>9057769
The thing is I wouldn't even really call Unwoven a fashion forum. Fashion is the base of all discussion there but it almost always goes off on a tangent almost immediately.

>>9057839
Neat WAYWT tho.

gotta bump