/fa/ - Fashion

>>7931561
Lol that article is fucking ridiculous.

People know what they're getting into when they turn up for a Terry Richardson shoot. Ultimately if your photos get published you'll be rich and famous. Not a bad trade off for some of Terry's love juice if you ask me...

>>7931575
>People know what they're getting into when they turn up for a Terry Richardson shoot

"Let me preface this by saying I am fully aware that this was bad decision making on my part and that the true purpose of me sharing this is I want people to know what is possible in these situations"

>reading
>hard

>>7931631
Letting somebody cum in your face and lick your ass and not leaving.

>>7931631
how do we know she isn't exaggerating/overemphasizing for attention? happens all the time

>>7931758
The question is, why would anyone blindly trust some anonymous reddit post in the first place?

>>7931758
This kind of Terry Richards story is really fucking common, and there's no reason to expect that. That said, anyone doing a photoshoot with him knows EXACTLY what to expect.

>>7931561
He's an awful photographer.

>>7931833
it's hard to do what he does actually technically speaking his work in post is what i mean
it's harder to do what he does than you may seem to think

>>7931561
Would you let Terry Richard cum all over your face if it led to your entry into the world of modelling?

>>7931884
Actually not.
t. Photopro

>>7931758

Why would anyone admit to something degrading and embarrassing for attention? Some of you neckbeards are so fucking stupid.

And the whole "you know what you're getting into" argument is awful as well. Just because the poor highschool dropout knows what they're getting into when they go and get a job at McDonalds doesn't mean McDonalds shouldn't treat their employees like shit.

>He even directed me to squeeze his balls as hard as I could so that they pushed back up into his body

>tfw never did this before

>>7931561
I wouldn't want my picture taken by such a boring photographer.

>>7931575
>People know what they're getting into when they turn up for a Terry Richardson shoot.
Yes and no. If you're of some importance (a celebrity) he's not going to harass you hard. But if you're some no name hot chick then yeah.

>>7931884
>it's hard to do what he does actually technically speaking his work
It's not. But that isn't my problem with him. His shoots just don't have the depth that his idol Helmut Newton's did.

>it's harder to do what he does than you may seem to think
If "you" is someone who has no knowledge or intermediate knowledge of photography, yes. Photography in general would be harder than they would think.

>>7932052
GO DO IT RIGHT NOW THEN FAGGOT
POST RESULTS
I BET MY LIFE YOURS LOOK LIKE SHIT

>>7932105
>Why would anyone admit to something degrading and embarrassing for attention?
to be fair a lot of dudes on 4chan have done it

>>7932107
fuck i didn't even read the article but now i have to because this is funny

>>7932107

Sometimes when I'm having a really intense nut they'll do that.

>>7932114
bet my life youd think terrys looked like shit if they weren't full of 9/10s
but that dudes probably look like shit too

>>7932157
im not just referring to his celeb shots for rolling stone and that shit where it appears over exposed(but it's really not that's the trick) against the white background bro
he has other shit that is just swell

>>7931561
jesus christ that websites layout makes me nauseous

>>7932176
>he has other shit that is just swell
shit yeah i honestly forgot
his "legit" work is bretty gud i'll give it to ya but what he's known for sucks

>>7931818
I've seen plenty of his shoots and I wouldn't expect him to end up splooging in some models face. It doesn't even make sense. Those pics aren't going to be published

At least he's considerate and felt bed when he found out she had a boyfriend.

>>7931561
>go to photographer that takes pictures of himself jizzing in girls faces
>complain when he jizzes in your face

huh

>>7931884
it's not that hard it's just a mounted flash firing straight forward against a white backdrop. he may have a few lights set up maybe, but for the most part his whole style is that high contrast sharp blown out look.

he's a capable photographer, but it's nothing I couldn't do if I had his connects. it's all about who ya know. his vogue shoots were cool sometimes tho

i would drink uncle terry cum for free. he's hot and a major DILF in my books!

he also jizzed on jesse pinkman

It's Terry fucking Richardson. If she did a goddamn google search prior to the shoot, she would have known what she was in for.

She deserved to have cum blasted all over her.

FYI the model was Charlotte Waters.

>"I am fully aware that this was bad decision making on my part"
Okay that takes care of that.

>>7933994
i want to fuck the feminism out of her

>>7933996
>>7934000
>>7934007
>/fa/ isn't a liberal cesspool of scum
Thank you fucking based god.

>>7933990
GIVE ME YOUR HOT STEAMY LOAD, BITCH!

>>7934007

Why would anyone just assume that he would necessarily do this kind of shit to them? For all they know, this shit about Terry could have just been false rumors, or maybe it's only happened a handful of times. It's not like everyone going into a Terry RIchardson shoot comes out sodomized.

If you're a 19 year-old model, you're probably willing to take the risk because this shoot could be a huge boost to your career. It doesn't excuse someone (who is aware of the position most of these younger models are in) for taking advantage of someone else.

tl;dr

>Someone does something bad
>But it's okay, because he's known for doing bad thing

>>7934016

lol, holyfuck

(still looks better than he does now)

>>7934026
cause he still had hair

>known rapist rapes someone
>it was their fault they know what they were getting into

>>7934016
do you think terry would blast his load on trunks sisters face

>>7934036
>rape
This word gets thrown around so fucking much it's almost laughable.

>>7934016
Saleve?

>>7934042
rape culture is a part of our world

>>7934047

Though I understand what rape culture is and I agree with the basic premises of the theory(?) you just fucked up by posting that.

From my experience, 4channers think rape culture actually means men are being brainwashed to go out and forcibly rape women.

unless you're just being sarcastic. In which case >lel >nice meme >*tips fedora* >nice meme

>>7934036

And still, no one in this thread can comment on this fundamental flaw in their reasoning.

>>7934042
rape used to be such a serious and vile word. when you heard it you sat up and took notice. now people just roll their eyes.

>thanks feminism

He's a fucked up individual

Idont how this guys shows his face in public after all the loses he's taken

Do better

>>7934047
She didn't have to put his penis in her mouth and make him ejaculate... You do know that right? It's called being a fame whore and doing what YOU think you need to do. No one raped her, you're a fucking idiot. The word rape needs to be preserved for people who are ACTUALLY raped. It's extremely insensitive and cruel to trivialize it's meaning you heartless wench.

>>7934054
autism

He's got that illoomiedoodie mind control magic

>Someone drives up to a liquor store late one night in Detroit
>Store is robbed and the person is killed
>"LOL IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY SHOULD'VE KNOWN"

>Someone enlists in the Marine Corps and is sent over seas.
>Gets blown up by an IED
>"LOL IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY SHOULD'VE KNOWN"

>A newlywed couple decides to have a baby, understanding that there are always risks when it comes to childbirth
>Mother and child both die while going through labor
>"LOL IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY SHOULD'VE KNOWN"

ITT: People defending a whore who feels guilty for sucking off an old creeper.

>>7934057

>Now people just roll their eyes

Yeah, maybe it's a problem with the general public, not feminists.

Part of feminism's aims are to reveal other forms of coercive sex acts as rape, because for the most part, forcible rapes (i.e. crazy man jumping out of the bushes) is incredibly rare.

I'm not saying there aren't cases where the lines get blurry.

But for the most part, you know it's a problem when most people don't consider getting a girl drunk with the intent of having sex with her comparable to rape.

Ontologically speaking, there's not really a difference.

>>7934073

nice meme :^)

also

>posts meme
>doesn't offer counter argument
>mfw

4chan pls

>4channers think rape culture actually means men are being brainwashed to go out and forcibly rape women.

no they think that it's not rape unless the person's held at gunpoint or being physically threatened.

Coercion, pressure from peers...none of that comes to mind, does it?

*tips fedodo*

>>7934084
Before #feminism rape was an extremely serious issue and people would essentially wish to castrate anyone who did something rapey. Now, rape can apparently transcend time and take on multiple different forms, such as movies where two consenting heterosexuals kiss.. Feminism is a joke and ironically they are extremely sexist.

Has anyone ever watched Irreversible?

> Consent isn't the absence of a forceful no: it's the presence of a yes.

But she admitted to signing multiple release forms.

Did she read if they said 'Terry will eat your ass and shoot jizz all over your face'?

>>7934085
autism

>>7934089

Because being put in an impaired state by being held up at gunpoint and being put in an impaired state by intoxication are no different. Thus, consent is required in one and not the other.

Okay.

>>7934092

>#feminism

Oh shit I had to throw up
oh shit
okay

>Now, rape can apparently transcend time and take on multiple different forms

No. It's just about being consistent with what you categorize as rape. If physically coercing someone is considered rape, why would that not also mean that other forms of coercion are rape?

Also you act like feminism is some new, homogenized movement, when in fact, it's gone through several different periods and there are several different strains that agree and disagree with one another.

>Feminism is a joke and ironically they are extremely sexist

Yeah, no, only a sliver of extremists are sexist. For the most part, feminists are interested in challenging gender conventions for the sake of both men and women.

>>7933990
whats with celebrities doing this? to me the thumbs up just indicates they agree with his sleezy ways

>>7931561
Is that whole story a satire of the way rape is talked about in the 21st century?

>>7934107
>If physically coercing someone is considered rape, why would that not also mean that other forms of coercion are rape?

Okay so if i go to a bar and tell some bimbo that i am a millionaire, the next day she can cry rape?

>>7934116
The thumbs up is his code for just been fucked.

People seem to be missing the point here. If he was actively trying to sexually assault her, the last thing you would do is take pictures and have a pile of evidence waiting for a lawsuit.

>>7934084
>getting a girl drunk

lol

as in forcing liquor down her throat?

or as in some slut getting wasted and regretting sucking a dick the morning after

>>7934121
O rly?

>>7934107
>consent is required in one and not the other
whut

are saying that it is OK to take advantage of someone while intoxicated or no?

>>7934145

Depends on the level of intoxication on whether it is considered 'taking advantage'.

Bitches do lie though

Pretty sure everyone has had a bitch accuse them of taking advantage idleast once in their life

>>7934158
ur on 4chan arguing about feminism

were prob the only ones in this thread that have even seen a vagina

>>7932916

>Do you even Terryworld?

>>7931561
Not this conspiracy thread again. We discussed this a few months ago

>>7931561
how do i see the really nsfw pictures? ive seen em before but cant find any

>>7934118

This is what I mean by lines being blurry. However, it doesn't take much to coerce someone when they're drunk. They're both physically and mentally impaired. If you were to just tell some chick that you're a millionaire, it would probably take a great deal of effort to actually convince her of that. Such an elaborate ploy would be pretty creepy (and borderline sociopathic) in and of itself.

>>7934132

>knowingly trying to fuck someone who is in no position to make rational decisions for themselves isn't taking advantage.

Okay. You got me there Baby Pickles.

In cases where both parties are intoxicated, I wouldn't necessarily call that rape (I know some do, but I don't.) However, if one person is sober and the other is drunk then you have a problem.

Here's a story

>be me, walking with a friend late at night, when a car turns around the corner
>the car is driving slowly down the street ahead of us
>the car eventually ends up slowly running into a light pole and flipping over
>me and my friend rush over to help
>the guy is cut up, glass everywhere, moaning in pain
>"oh shit anon, we have to call the police!"
>Driver says (obviously intoxicated) "n-no i-im fiine. Wrelly, dunt call da police. Em okay."

>>7934145

I was (sloppily) saying that most people consider lack of consent the problem in one (gunpoint) and not the other (intoxication).

>>7934158

I said this earlier - why would someone lie about something that is ultimately embarrassing, degrading, and shameful? I'm not saying it never happens. But logic dictates that MOST people wouldn't want to lie about something like that because of the stigma attached to being the subject of sexual abuse.

>>7934150
Are you familiar with the Steubenville case?

That shit is not OK. Girls going through something like that only to get labeled as "whores" and hazed sure as fuck don't deserve it. Your attitude is morally repugnant and disgraceful.

>>7934171

Buy his book, also his old website used to have way more raunchy photos, someone on /p/ had saved them all, and posted the entire collection to /p/ various times.

>>7934165

>jezebel
>supporting the jezebelian jew with your pageviews
Even boards that aren't /pol/ know better than this.

>>7934185
if u dont think u can say "no" when drunk u shouldnt get drunk

>>7934185
>blurry
that anecdote is somewhere in the "grey area" of rape for you? lol wow

>>7934071
those are terrible examples. it's more like

>someone walks into a minefield that is clearly labeled as such
>gets blown up
>and no one was surprised

>>7934202

Because it wasn't much of an anecdote. He made it sound like "lol so I just walk up to dis bitch and tell her i'm a millionaire and she instantly comes home to fuck me."

I'm distracted right now with something I'm reading, so sorry if I'm not being 100% rigorous and clear in my posts.

>>7934192

Or maybe you shouldn't take advantage of people who are drunk, especially when you're 100% conscious of what you're doing.

trunks, pls.

Just stick to threads about fashion. Because I kind of like you.

But you're also really stupid.

>>7934203

Yeah, because Terry Richardson was like "okay, but just before we do this shoot I must warn you that I'm gonna need you to jerk me off. Is that cool?

>>7934209
feminism is bullshit
girls get drunk at parties becuase they want to have sex

if they don't want to have sex they won't go to parties where all you do is get drunk then fuck

>>7934216

But you're not even sieg, and if you were you would be an old fatass who blew through your parents money with college and now can't find a job. Everything you say is irrelevant, nerd.

>>7934192
that would require logic and reasoning

>>7934223
i am sieg, keep talking shit, i'll just keep encouraging rape.

you're probably fat, trunks isn't into fat fucks

>>7934230

You're probably too fat to rape anyone, sieg. You're just as innocuous of a threat as neckbearded bronies are, lol.

>>7934209
i get drunk and rail all the time

do i go crying rape bcuz i decided to ahve a mickey before putting my dick in some girl?

no

actually 1 time i got my dick sucked and i didnt rlly want to but i was too monged to say no i was like passed out

did i press charges after

no cause it was my fault for drinking so much

>>7934242
how dare you take responsibility for something that is your responsibility!

Bitches usually lie to avoid being bullied by other girls for being a slut

I've seen it with my own two eyes to many times

>>7934242

No, because you take the mickey under the assumption that you will be having sex. The choice was made in a sober state of mind.

Also, just because you didn't press charges doesn't mean that nobody else should press charges. The event obviously didn't scar you in any way and you seemed pretty okay with it once you were in a sober state of mind. Cool. Good for you. This isn't fucking kindergarten dude. "Treat others how you would like to be treated" doesn't work in the real world.

>I am a masochist.
>So it's okay for me to harm other people.
>Because I would like the same to happen to me.

Also, stop trying hard to seem like you're not trying hard when you post. It's fucking embarrassing. That's some insecure highschool shit.

>>7934256

>I grew up in a bad neighborhood and got beaten up by black kids all the time
>Therefore, all black kids are violent

lol anecdotal evidence doesn't count breh

>>7934262
I'm not saying this case isn't sus
Cause Terry's a confirmed pedofile

But off top girls lie about rape often

>>7934258
>No, because you take the mickey under the assumption that you will be having sex.

u dont know that misandrist pig

and what is it my job to go back and time and read girls minds to see if they wanted to rail before they started drinking? how do i know if a girl is too drunk to say no or not? what if were both drunk?

>I am a masochist.
>So it's okay for me to harm other people.
>Because I would like the same to happen to me.

wtf are u talking about? i told u i didnt enjoy it how would u even infer that? are u rlly this mad bcuz i choose to accept responsibility instead of ruining someone elses life cu\z of something that didnt even kno they were doing wrong?

>>7934270
Arguing about rape with some Norma bates tier crazy slut

>>7934270

I've already stated that in a case where both parties are drunk I don't consider that rape, unless the intent was for you to get her and yourself drunk knowing very well that she wouldn't normally want to have sex with you.

You should be able to tell if someone is too drunk or not. If you can't, then fucking wait until she's sober to try and have sex with her. Or go jerk off.

I brought up that analogy to show that you can't just get away with saying "well, I'm okay with getting fucked while I'm drunk, therefore, everyone else should be okay with it."

It's not that you chose to accept responsibility. Again, it's obvious that while sober you really didn't give a fuck that it happened. And if you did give a fuck afterwards and if it did seriously upset you and emotionally scar you, then go ahead. You have every right to call her out on it, granted that she was sober or had gotten drunk knowing very well that normally you would've said "no".

>>7934268

Statistically speaking, false rape accusations are pretty rare. And again, common sense dictates that it's way more embarrassing and stigmatizing to admit to being raped. I don't think anyone is willing to go through the social and legal ramifications of false accusation just to avoid being called a slut.

And even then, they'll still probably be called a liar and a slut.

>>7934279

But I'm a dude.

And ur just made because a fat Russian took advantage of you.

It's okay sieg...let it out.

>>7934289
Your blind b

U don't get bitches, I can tell

>>7934289
>unless the intent was for you to get her and yourself drunk

u cant "get" people drunk

its their choice to do it

either they know theyll fuck when drunk and are saying ok by drinking

or they know they wont fuck drinking and wont fuck u

>Statistically speaking, false rape accusations are pretty rare.

what like 5% of "rapes" get taken to court?

that makes the other 95% false automatically

innocent until proven guilty

and thats not counting the ones that get thrown out of court (another 50%?) and the ones where the girl admits to lying (lower number)

>>7934294

>lol i can't think of anything else to say so...ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem

And I have a gf, fgt

>>7934299
omg ive been arguing w/ a guy this whole time

wtffffff i thought it was some fat tumblr slut

kill urself dude u might as well not have a cock thats how much of a pussy u r

>>7934292
it's not sieg it's trunks pretending to have some backup

>>7934021
You summed it up wrong it's
>someone is known for doing something bad
>you go there, he does exactly that
>you complain about it

>>7934305
Are you retarded or something?

>>7934296

You can encourage someone to get drunk under false pretenses. Is that more fleshed out for you to understand? People aren't infallible. Deceit is common.

>What like 5% of "rapes" get taken to court?

Yeah. Often because most rapes go unreported. The reason being that (like stated before) it's extremely embarrassing to admit to a rape. Also, oftentimes rapes are committed by close family members and friends. Not only do you have to deal from the shock and pain of being abused by someone you trusted, but also, you have to consider the consequences of calling out someone so ingrained in your life and the lives of people close to you.

This isn't even accounting for the fact that many girls get pressured out of reporting rapes to the police.

Also, it's extremely hard to prove you were raped. You basically have to leave directly from the place you were raped, to a hospital, and get a rape kit test. That's hard enough. Imagine how hard it would be if you were forcibly raped and injured.

Also, most police officers don't properly investigate rape accusations. Many guys don't even get brought into custody. And like you said, only a small percentage get taken to court.

So what should the assumption be?

Should we assume that rape is something so serious that most people wouldn't lie about it, and that our means for proving rapes are inadequate?

or should we just assume that most people who claim that they've been raped are liars?

I'm not saying we should automatically assume that someone who claims that they've been raped are telling the truth.

However, it's most often the case that they're automatically assumed to be lying.

>>7934324

It's not like Terry does it to everyone.

It's not like knowing that he does it makes it right.

It's not like everyone who goes to a Terry photo shoot necessarily knows everything about him.

And even then. With the way his actions are treated, you would think that all these accusations are just lies.

>>7934305

But you dress in diapers and dresses. You live with your parents. You're a balding hick who can only get laid when you're drunk. People actually like me and I dress like a normal person. You're hated by a bunch of autists who post on a Chinese cartoon board.

>>7934192
cute idealism man

>>7934329
>here drink this liquor we will uhh fall down some stairs or something def no sex!

master genius
>>7934345
>You're hated by a bunch of autists who post on a Chinese cartoon board.

oh fuck how can i live with myself

btw you know youre referring to yourself with this right?

ITT one anon with sound reasoning brings up some reasonable points about rape and trunks thinks it's okay to spout logical fallacies because he got laid once.

>>7934355

lol, of course you can't provide any actual counter argument.

gg scrub. gg.

And did you honestly just do the "i kno u r but what am i?" thing? Holy shit dude. O i am laffing.

>>7934357
itt anon samefags

>>7934369

itt Terry Richards samefagging the entire thread

>>7934334
He did it all to you...

does anyone have the pictures of that chick with terry juice on her face? or the jamie peck ones? (at least the one that was in Purple)

I need them for Reasons.

>108 posts
Really? Did it happen while it was Aussie power hour?

s-so
we're still talking about fashion, r-right guys?

wow, what a scumbag.

>>7931561

>beloved by the fashion world
aye lmao

https://www.bloglovin.com/blog/3862593/i-miss-the-old-terry

enjoy :)

>>7934209
Sooo, does that mean last week when I was sloshed and my fiance was sober that I was raped when he put his dick in me?

I mean, I didn't want to at first but then he started kissing me and putting his hands down my panties. I resisted for a little while but then I started going with it. He put his dick in me, I enjoyed it. Was I raped?

Honestly though, actual non-consensual rape happens all the time, whether people go to the cops about it or not is on them. BUT false rape, in my opinion, happens even more and is probably why actual rape victims don't report it. They fear that they'll be lumped in with the fakes.

> have friend in a sorority
> always complains about not having a man or getting laid enough
> she goes out every weekend
> gets drunk
> goes back to guys room
> comes back, "i wuz raeped"
(this happens 5+ fucking times)
> I decide to be a good friend: call cops for her, give her a place to stay
> a few months later she comes out and says no rape ever happened, she just regretted the cock she got and didn't want to seem like a complete slut
> I grow some ovaries and tell her to stop being such a cunt, actual rape happens and she's part of the reason why nobody takes it seriously anymore

Terry Richardson is an overhyped skeeze-bag and not the greatest photographer IMO, however, those girls had a choice as to engage in sexual activities with him and his crew or not. They could have left, but it might have damaged their careers. They did it to continue on in an industry that might spit them up a few years from then. I hadn't heard of the situations with Richardson until a few months ago, if I was a model who honestly had never heard anything about him and trusted my agent, I would have gone in there thinking everything was going to be fine and dandy and would have been put off by the whole ordeal when it happened. That being said, girls who WILLINGLY stay and participate know what they're doing and are consenting in order to boost their career.

makes sense

is this man /fa/, /fa/?

>jezebel

w2c

>>7935138
he gives it to you for free after cumming on your face

>>7935138
nooooooo Miranda is too pure and orlando bloom seems like kind of a pussy so I bet he would let it happen :(

but I guess they do have a kid so maybe not

>people trying to make the case that rape by persuasion is entirely one party's fault
It's a grey area. That's why this whole thing is so complicated.

However, the fact remains that when an adult gives consent to a sex act, there's nothing illegal about it, and there shouldn't be. But what exactly is consent? Obviously if she said, "oh yeah terry blow that load on my face please," then there'd be no issue. It would have certainly been illegal if she said, "put your dick away, faggot. i'm out of here." But, from what we know, neither of those things happened. She just kind of let it happen. And that's what nearly always happens in similar cases where the girl regrets just being passive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_consent

Unfortunately, most people have a tough time saying no, especially women, and especially to somebody you perceive as being more influential, powerful, or important than you. It probably goes back to some evolutionary shit.

I mainly feel bad for the boyfriend though, especially since he probably (statistically, don't tip any fucking fedoras at me) has no idea this happened at all.

Terry ain't gonna get a leather jogging pant.

>>7935214
idk i personally feel worse for the person who got uncle terrys juice shot onto their face

>>7934357
yeah, this

>>7935214
Yeah, legally terry's in the clear. He's not some break through the window rapist. He's manipulative. What he does is closer to what child rapists do. He's very nice, friendly, constantly compliments the models, and then slowly pushes their boundaries until they're doing something they otherwise wouldn't consent to.

This is probably what a lot of rape looks like, it's just next to impossible to convict anyone on it unless there's a minor involved. I'm not even saying we should be able to convict someone for "raping" in this manner. It's not an issue of legality, it's an issue of being a decent human being and understanding how your actions can affect someone else emotionally and psychologically. I can only imagine how used and disoriented some of these girls must have felt after Uncle Terry jizzed all over their hopes and dreams.

>>7935235
Wtf is wrong with his fingers

>>7934209
>Just stick to threads about fashion.
fuck off
we don't want him in those either

>>7935268
>this guys not raping anyone, how can we still make him look like a rapist

lol

>its like hes having sex with kids, only theyre adults!

LOL

>>7934013
>/fa/ is the home of thirsty terry apologists
FTFY

>>7935268
Um... if they don't actively say no to Terry's advances, then he's not guilty of anything that a man at a bar trying to get laid wouldn't be guilty of. I mean, at a bar the girls are drunk-- where these girls drunk?

I think what you have here is a case of regret. Richardson isn't attractive physically but is maybe one of the most attractive guys in terms of status. The girls are submissive around him and at the very least don't want to disappoint him. At the very most they want to be able to brag to themselves about swallowing a famous man's cum. They are starstruck and willing. Regret isn't rape.

when you see it...

>>7934013
>>7935333
I find posts like that hilarious because Richardson is the result of liberalism. There's nothing more liberal than Richardson. He could never exist as he does now in anything but a very liberal society let alone a conservative one.
But it doesn't surprise me that /pol/fags who cry about liberalism and jack off to hardcore porn an hour later can't adopt consistent ideologies.

>>7935334
>where these girls drunk?
more like desperate
tbh i don't accept the concepts of consent and maturity held by most legal systems or people so i don't think coercive dudes at bars or whatever are much better
the difference is dudes at bars probably have to try harder lol because terry has such an authoritative advantage

the girls are dumb
the guys are dumb with the added con of being predatory
so it's like having a dumb dog that pisses and shits everywhere and lets itself get near dangerous dogs when it should know better
and having another dumb dog that pisses and shits everywhere and is a danger to other dogs

both groups are basically unworthy of having the agency they have now and need to be controlled for their own goo. fascism4lyfe

>>7935339
ow fuck my eyes

>>7935041
>BUT false rape, in my opinion, happens even more
you're wrong

>>7935333
there's two sides to every story and although i pity the poor girl for the shitty situation she was in, you have to realize that she willingly put herself in a situation that she was expecting. we all know Terry is a sex fiend and rapist, so I doubt anyone's surprised. the thing is, she knew what was going to happen, was aware of the traps and fell into them anyways

>>7935380
>we all know Terry is a sex fiend and rapist

lol no he isnt

>>7935041
>BUT false rape, in my opinion, happens even more

you're wrong and that is the REAL reason rapes aren't reported, because people hold that view and victims are treated with immediate skepticism

>>7935389
if they arent reported how do u know theyre real

lol o rite ur tumblr feminism blog told u that so it must be true

>>7935400
arent you that bald virgin?

this bitch fucking loved it

>>7935407
epic meme /b/ro

I can't tell if there are actually SJW feminists on 4chan now or if the people in this thread are just trolling

>>7935400

https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1

1.Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2008-2012


Just give it up, trunks. You're a fucking moron.

>>7935413

>SJW
>Social Justice Warrior
>Social Justice
>Social Justice is bad

>>7935412
no need to get defensive, im sure youre just waiting for the right girl to roofie. i assume that why this guy is your idol

>>7935235
kanye kardashian is so based too bad hes a bitch

>>7935413
oh no !!! everyone is not le 4chan rape approver, who can i laugh w/ about rape while i hide from my mom in my room~~

>>7935418
let me rephrase

IF THEY ARENT REPORTED HOW DO U KNOW THEYRE REAL

>>7935413
i bet youre one of those newfag 12 year olds who actually thought the 4chan racism shit wasnt a social parody.

>>7935441

not sure if willfully ignorant or actually retarded

>>7935446
no im not sure if youre willfully ignorant or actually retarded

if these 60% of rapes arent reported to the police or are proved to have happened in court, how do you know they happened? because the person claimed they did? that isnt proof im sorry

>>7935441

It's probably drawn from 1) the number of women/men who admit to having been raped in the past and 2) women/men who admit to have had raped in the past, accounting for a margin of error (i.e. the inevitable liars) and then comparing that number to how many rapes get reported to the police.

Then again, why would the Justice Department have some sort of agenda, let alone an agenda that requires them to admit how ineffective they are in preventing/punishing rapes?

let me rephrase

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB?

goddamn Canadians.

fuck.

>>7935453

I WILL NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT I DID NOT EMPIRICALLY SEE FOR MYSELF

>>7935453
I think whatever one of those 3 outfits that you own you have on is somehow restricting blood flow to that tiny baby brain of yours

>>7935331
lol, you're such a piece of shit

>>7935456
>1) the number of women/men who admit to having been raped in the past
>admitted

*claimed

>>7935456

to clarify, this is to say women/men who admit to having been raped and never reported it themselves, as well as women/men who admit to having had raped in the past but was never convicted for it.

>>7935461
yeah statistics are based on facts not feelings

sorry

>>7935475

Like, how do you even function in day to day life?

Do you just assume that everything anyone says is a lie unless you can empirically verify it for yourself?

Do you really think that the majority of people who say that they're raped are liars? Considering a case where the rape occurred years or decades ago, what would someone have to gain from saying they were raped?

>>7935334
you have no idea what you're talking about. you think women are "starstruck" by richardson? fucking idiot

>>7935492
>Do you really think that the majority of people who say that they're raped are liars?

yes

this seems like a really shitty biased way of saying "i have no evidence but you should believe me anyways"

>Considering a case where the rape occurred years or decades ago, what would someone have to gain from saying they were raped?

not getting bad feelings about sucking some dudes dick when u were drunk

>>7935380
how do you know what she was expecting? a lot of people probably just know him for sexual candids, but they're a far cry from "squeeze my balls until they go up into my body"

>>7935513
if u dont want to squeeze some old hairy dudes balls up into his body

dont fucking do it~!

wow

>>7934329
>You can encourage someone to get drunk under false pretenses. Is that more fleshed out for you to understand? People aren't infallible. Deceit is common.

>encourage someone to get drunk under false pretenses
>same thing as coercion

I know you really and truly believe this, but you have to understand that most people perceive a very serious difference between these two things

>>7934289

>Statistically speaking, false rape accusations are pretty rare.

Most estimates put it around at least 2%, and in some cases that's just the ones where police followed up with charging or threatening to charge the accuser with filing a false report.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I assume that if police departments did less scrutinizing of the person filing the report, people might feel more casual about making a false accusation.

>>7935268

I wouldn't dispute that he's not a nice person, but admitting that what he's doing does not legally constitute rape and should not legally be rape, then calling him a rapist anyway is kind of lame. He's a douchebag, a sleaze, a manipulative asshole, even. But "rapist" means he rapes people. What he's doing isn't rape. Bill Clinton is a rapist, Terry is just a sociopathic pervert.

>>7935492
>Do you really think that the majority of people who say that they're raped are liars?
This is kinda the case though. 'regret-rapees' are in the majority and devualing the real thing, which is horrible but these bitches will do anything for a bit of money and some validation.

>>7935492
>Comparing rape claims to everyday life

>what would someone have to gain from saying they were raped?

Probably attention. Desperate tumblr fucks wanting to "fit in".

Yes some people are that retarded.

>>7935502

What about people who claim allegations of rape in non-party context?

Like people held at knife point and raped are liars or are you saying you just don't believe that girls who were drunk at parties are raped?

Because if it's latter I agree, I don't see "making stupid drunk choices" as rape.

I've been lit as fuck and when an unattractive chick comes up I just tell them to fuck off or w/e

not hard

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what sort of things are 'acceptable' or not and what qualifies as rape around here (and everywhere else for that matter). First, we do not know the contents of the waiver which the model signed. If the contract she signed with Richardson was written well and generally enough, then Richardson did nothing wrong. However, we can't know that so I'm going to assume here that the waiver basically didn't say anything about the controversial bits. Second, nowhere in the article is Richardson accused of using force. The writing leads me to believe that not only was the model free to leave at any time, but that she was simply directed to act and complied. If this was the case, then again, Richardson did nothing wrong. The only way for Richardson to have done anything wrong in the situation described in the article was to have touched the model without consent. However, it is clearly stated that he touched had consent to touch her at some point, and it is not established that there were any conditions to this.

>>7935502

So if that's your disposition, why do you believe anything? Why believe anything anyone says or any or the majority of the knowledge you have about the world? I ask again, how do you even function in day-to-day life if you assume the majority of phenomena and anecdotes you encounter are lies? Are you a fucking solipsist?

>not getting bad feelings about sucking some dudes dick when u were drunk

Let's clarify then...

Why would someone lie about being molested, especially when they never pressed charges and aren't planning on pressing charges?

Why would someone lie about being forcibly raped, especially when they never pressed charges and aren't planning on pressing charges?

Why would someone lie about being drugged and raped, especially when they never pressed charges and aren't planning on pressing charges?

Why would someone lie about getting drunk and then coerced into fucking several guys, especially when they never pressed charges and aren't planning on pressing charges?

Everyone that I've known who has been raped never pressed charges, and they have nothing to gain from telling me. If anything, they only have something to lose.

>>7935543
Next, the issue of rape. Rape is fundamentally an issue of property. Rape occurs when one violates another's body in a sexual manner (personally I don't see the point in having separate definitions for rape, assault, sexual assault, etc as they are all immaterially different sorts of property violations). The question is then, what sort of acts in what sort of situations constitutes a violation? The answer is that an act is aggressive when it is undertaken without the consent of those it effects. This is a sentiment that is generally agreed upon, however, many people get a bit lost when translating this idea into real life. Some people get hung up on the context of consent, a common issue is that of drunkenness, ie, that one cannot give consent while inebriated due to decreased rationality or the like. This is a flawed argument. One is no less culpable for their actions whether they are drunk, depressed, asleep, or retarded. If you drive drunk and kill, you are responsible, if you get high and buy an expensive item you must pay, if you are mentally challenged and attack a passerby, you are culpable. The same is true of inebriated consent. Your current state of stupor does not excuses you from responsibility in any situation. Furthermore, as a reminder, the definition of consent is as such: permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.

>>7935541
the people held at knife point are the 40% that go to the police

the drunk sluts at parties are the 60% that spread rumours and lies cause they know they have no chance in court

>>7932105
Internet culture.


Surprised you've never met someone willing to admit "something degrading and embarrassing for attention".
Did you go to highschool? There are plenty of those types there.

>>7935551
Given that, I turn to the idea of implicit contracts; this is the idea that one can implicitly engage in a contract, eg, without verbal or written agreement. The best example of this idea is that of a meal at a restaurant- at no point during any stay at a traditional (as in not buffet, fast food, etc) restaurant in my life have I agreed verbally or in writing to pay for my food before eatin it. However, I am still obligated to pay for it because by making use of the restaurant I have implicitly agreed to compensate the business for their product. So too, with all else. This is not to say that a flirtatious gesture constitutes an implicit contract. Quite the opposite, in fact. I bring this to your attention primarily to deal with issues in which an act is committed, that at the time, seemed perfectly consensual, only later for it to be claimed otherwise. Participating in such acts without force or resistance would place one into an implicit contract with the other.

>>7935524
>I wouldn't dispute that he's not a nice person, but admitting that what he's doing does not legally constitute rape and should not legally be rape, then calling him a rapist anyway is kind of lame
The law is not the only standard from which we define reality let alone moral reality.

and why the hell are you calling Clinton a rapist?

>>7935550
>So if that's your disposition, why do you believe anything? Why believe anything anyone says or any or the majority of the knowledge you have about the world? I ask again, how do you even function in day-to-day life if you assume the majority of phenomena and anecdotes you encounter are lies? Are you a fucking solipsist?

why are u trying to equate statistics with everyday situations

>Everyone that I've known who has been raped never pressed charges, and they have nothing to gain from telling me.

lol except ur sympathy

>>7935543
>>7935551

you are absolutely right

still though - we should be conscious of how people can be coerced and physically encouraged into sex, which is a product of traditional conceptions of male and female

>>7935543
>it is clearly stated that he touched had consent
someone not saying anything does not mean that they "consented" to being touched

>>7935530

>'regret-rapees' are in the majority

citation needed plz

>Probably attention. Desperate tumblr fucks wanting to "fit in".

Yes some people are that retarded.

You sound pretty retarded yourself. It's been said already -- admitting to being raped is embarrassing and degrading. You are assumed to be a liar if you say that you've been raped. I'm not saying there aren't people who lie. But all these things considered, how many people would want to lie about something like that, when if anything, you're at a loss.

>>7935571
>i didnt say no but it was still rape

tumblr pls

>>7935502
jesus christ you are literally someone who's ok with rape. that explains so fucking much what a fuck up.

>>7935566

>why are u trying to equate statistics with everyday situations

Where are the statistics that give you reason to believe that the majority of people who claimed to have been raped are liars?

>lol except ur sympathy

So my sympathy is worth the risk of me possibly looking at them differently, being disgusted by them, not believing them, and revealing something about yourself that is traumatic?

>>7935583
depends what u call rape

some creepy dude in an alley with a knife? rape

2 drunk ppl going at it? not rape

>>7935559
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

You're right, I oughtn't use the law as my standard for what is or is not rape, but I honestly don't believe that what he did was rape because when you compare it with the things that we do legally describe as rape, like physically forcing someone to have sex with you, it's not really comparable, in my opinion. Tricking someone into having sex is a morally very shady thing to do, of course I think that (and I wouldn't want to associate with someone who acted that way), but I can't call it by the same word that I use to describe violently force-fucking somebody. I don't think anyone else should confuse the two, either.

>>7935582
It's not tumblr, it's the fucking legal system you moron

>>7935586
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case

>this isnt rape

ok bro.

>>7935441
>>7935453
>>7935485
>>7935502
>>7935518
>>7935554
>>7935566
>>7935582
>>7935586

real talk you need to lay off 4chan for a while this is some seriously sociopathic bullshit youre spouting. believe it or not, rape has existed before tumblr and "attention seeking party sluts" and it was even more underreported in the past.

Honestly, I think if this thread has taught us anything it's that trunks is a very sad and genuinely awful person.

>>7935594
in what sense is that "2 drunk ppl going at it"? how is that a proper refutation of what trunks said?

>>7935588
>Implied consent is consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather inferred from a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction).

>>7935594
she wasnt drunk she was fucking passed out

>>7935586
>some creepy dude in an alley with a knife? rape
is this qualify?
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2048423/monica_bellucci_in_irreversible_rape_scene/

Another thing to take from this thread - despite the semantics behind the word 'rape', I don't think you can reasonably argue that Terry Richardson is in any way a good person for what he does.

>>7935591
>Where are the statistics that give you reason to believe that the majority of people who claimed to have been raped are liars?

empty unproven claims should not be included in statistics, statistics are facts

>>7935594

I'm not really an advocate of dudes taking advantage of really wasted girls

but you and I both know this example is cherry picked

Also most of you should realize that the law states in Canada (B.C for certain) and many states that having sex with an individual under the influence of drugs and alcohol is grounds for an allegation of rape.

>inb4 "the law is dumb and I'm right"

>>7935602
and that leads the line, at what point are you so drunk that you cant consent, what level of incapacity. cant move? cant talk? moans? cant say no because they are so drunk?

>>7935617
everyone knows Canadian law is pretty fucked though

we don't have freedom of speech, either

>>7935610

trunks did you ever attend school ever

that's not what a statistic is...a statistic could very well quantify the number of alleged rapes that turned out to be false

I don't know if you're retarded or if you skipped 1st grade reading comprehension

>>7935631
well he IS a manual worker....

>>7935618
>cant say no because they are so drunk?

yep when ur unconscious like i said

>>7935643
You've never seen someone who's so drunk that they can barely walk and talk but is conscious? I guess you dont go to many parties

>>7934107
physical coercion results in no consent possible, inebriation changes nothing. It's the difference between force and, well, nothing
Being consistent about rape is probably the biggest problem to do with it after the crime itself. I would take what you said and flip the sentence around, as in, if rape is coercion, then, all forms of coercion are just as abhorrent as each other, in that they all constitute a violation of personal property.
>>7934185
There is no difference between inebriated and not inebriated that you can create and not be arbitrary. The drunk can create all sorts of other contracts while drunk and are responsible for crimes committed, therefore they can consent to sexual activity. I agree that it is irrational for someone to lie about something of this nature and that there is no unusual reason to doubt the story
>>7934242
>no cause it was my fault for drinking so much
precisely
>>7934289
The intent literally does not matter. The only issue of importance is the act committed. Killing a man to save 5 others is still immoral.
>>7934296
>u cant "get" people drunk
>its their choice to do it
>either they know theyll fuck when drunk and are saying ok by drinking
>or they know they wont fuck drinking and wont fuck u
true
>>7934296
>innocent until proven guilty
true
>>7934329
deceit=!coercion
>>7935041
>those girls had a choice as to engage in sexual activities with him and his crew or not
exactly

>>7935631
>a statistic could very well quantify the number of alleged rapes that turned out to be false

it would need to be rapes that were PROVEN false

not claimed to be

a fact, not an unproven claim

otherwise 100% of rapes would be "false" because every rapist would claim hes innocent

goddamn dude you are fucking retarded

>>7935643

I provided a case earlier where me and a friend saw a drunk guy crash his car, and when we said we were going to call the police he told us not to because he was okay...

despite the fact that his entire face was cut up and he was upside down in a wrecked vehicle.

How would you rate the competency of that man? Should I have just assumed he was right about being okay?

>>7935651
if u can barely talk u can barely say no

barely saying no is enough

>>7935656
so he chose to drink alcohol and made poor decisions because of it?

sounds like a girl sucking a dick at a party

he will still be held accountable for his actions in court tho, unlike the girl getting "raped"

>>7935653

>intent literally does not matter

You hear from friend A that friend B killed a guy.

"Oh my God, that's horrible I can't believe..."

Friend A tells you that friend B killed a guy in self-defense.

"Oh. Well that's different."

>>7934357
mm this

yo trunks homie you should really drop this discussion and educate yourself a bit

hell i have to deal with sexual harassment shit simply for looking vaguely feminine, being an actual woman this is a big part of their everyday life

nobody calls two moderately drunk-but-consenting people having sex rape, and you're 11 times more likely to get killed by a fucking comet than to be falsely accused of rape. chill out

>>7935571
The model clearly consented to being touched for the purpose of the shoot. AFAIK it's normal to ave photographers/crew make small adjustments/directions by touching models.
>>7935567
absolutely, coercion is utterly abhorrent in all its incarnations
I can't help but respect a lot of feminists for their commitment to disseminating scientific understanding of the sexes and removing coercive restraints on female activity, but I also have no choice but to conclude that feminism has a lot of stuff wrong, mostly in the practical aspects of their policy considerations, which just reinforces the fact that the only movement that is dedicated th to true and universal end to coercion is Voluntaryism AKA libertarianism AKA Anarcho-capitalism

>>7935671

>missing the point by this much

The point is, that the drunk man is not competent, which is why I don't grant his request that I not call the police. He is incompetent because he is drunk.

The drunk woman is not competent, which is why even if she seems okay with me sticking my dick in her, I refuse her request until she is in a sober and competent state of mind in which she can make decisions which reflect her honest, rationalized wishes.

>>7935656
>How would you rate the competency of that man?
very competent.

he knows that the penalties of getting a DUI far outweigh the temporary discomfort of a few bumps and scrapes.

>>7935689
nah dude my fat slut of a sister boned some dude once, i dont think she was even drunk? she just regretted it cause she was hardcore christian

already the next morning shes saying she was "raped"

my mum told her if she tried to take it to court she would go against her

like fuck imagine having ur life ruined like that over nothing, that poor guy

>>7935707
and ya i know this shit sounds trailer trash as fuck

>>7935693
>it's normal to ave photographers/crew make small adjustments/directions by touching models
you're not right, but we aren't talking about minor adjustments are we?

>>7935693

>feminism has a lot of stuff wrong

True, but feminism is not a homogenized movement. There are lots of disagreements amongst feminist thinkers. Relatively speaking, feminism is a very young movement. Realistically speaking, it's only had traction for maybe half of a century. Compare that to nearly the entirety of documented human existence and knowledge being guided from an almost solely patriarchal account?

There are radicals and there are a lot of reasonable people in the movement. I'd say that most feminists I've talked to and most writers I've read are pretty reasonable. It's just that the radicals, unfortunately, attract the most attention.

And tumblr doesn't help when you have a bunch of non-academics inefficiently arguing their cases.

>>7935707

trunks, I would like to know what you think about >>7935694

And apologies for your inbred, hick Canadian family.

I've seen enough Trailer Park Boys to pity you.

Who says this story is even legit? Like I could write the exact same thing and no one would believe me.

>>7935725
its a dumb argument dude it doesnt even make sense

you refuse requests from drunk people? ok? what if the drunk dude asked you to take him to the hospital?

>>7935693
>Voluntaryism AKA libertarianism AKA Anarcho-capitalism
i could tell by your other posts that you were underage, but this just puts the nail in the coffin

>>7935736
out of all the things you said in the thread this might just be the dumbest.

are you just being willfully ignorant at this point or do you not legitimately realize how dumb you fucking look right now?

>>7935736

haha, wow, ur dumb.

I refuse requests from drunk people that obviously go against what I can only reasonably assume are their best interests.

Just like denying a drunk girl's request for penis because I can only assume her best interests are to decide whether or not she wants to fuck when she can actually rationally think about it.

Or rather, refraining from trying to get a girl to fuck me until I can know for sure that she's capable of making rational choices.

>>7935749
u dont fuck drunk girls cause u think they wouldnt fuck u sober?

sounds like ur just ugly man

kek

it's funny that you guys rip on trunks so hard for being "white trash" and whatever else

like because you're learning about the women's movement at university, you're better equipped to guess the motives of the women who get drunk at the parties that trunks goes to

if it's true that he's as trashy as you say, in theory the women he's talking about would also be pretty trashy. If that's the case, it might be that you just don't know very much about them because they're not a part of the very isolated culture you belong to. it might also be the case that trunks has real experience with them, and that might be worth more than all your theorizing about how women act in general.

I find it hilarious that in general, liberal-leaning arts students will read a book and be totally wowed by shit like "historiographic metafiction", authors telling them that "folk histories and stories may be just as valid as 'official' histories that ignore the experiences of the working class", etc., but if someone who is actually working class disagrees with them using anecdotal evidence, they dismiss is as the incoherent ramblings of a trailer trash idiot. They love listening to the working class as long as they already agree with them!

>>7935728

Because

A) Why would someone lie about something that they know 1) they have no way of proving 2) they have nothing to gain from 3) is very embarrassing and degrading and 4) will only make people assume she is a liar?

and

B) Terry Richardson has been accused several times of this very same thing.

>>7935779
>they have nothing to gain from

shes featured on a huge blog and has millions of sympathetic supporters doesnt she?

>>7935777

Nobody is disagreeing with trunk's anecdotal evidence.

We're arguing with him because he can't get it through his thick fucking hick skull that he has no reasonable reason to believe that most rape victims are liars (amongst other things.)

>>7935777
i think u overestimate the tumblr kids in this thread

christ i thought trunks was just a harmless idiot before this thread but knowing that hes willing to viciously marginalize a serious issue that affects millions of women because of his contempt for his sister and is pretty worrying

>>7935777
holy fuck, new pasta

trunks is still a faggot though lel

>>7935787

Support her in what way? What can they do besides say "Oh honey, I'm sorry that scum bag shot a load on your face."

Wow. Great payoff.

Oh, and then there's the other hand. All the people who will automatically assume she's a lying slut.

>>7935791
no reasonable reason to believe that most rape victims are liars

innocent

until

proven

guilty

>>7935793

>implying you understood any of that

>>7935716
We aren't, my point is simply that its unlikely, if not impossible that the model didn't give consent to be touched in some fashion and that it is also unlikely that any limits were placed on this consent, which provides leeway to push farther than expected.
>>7935720
I definitely understand that, which is why I say I have a lot of respect for some feminists, but violently disagree with others. My point is basically that libertarians do all the things feminists do right (and basically none of what they do wrong), but better, and on average, are a lot nearer to all being right.
>>7935740
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm 18. I am curious as to why you think freedum is such a childish thing.

>>7931561
>Their attitudes were so upbeat and like everything was just you know silly or cool or whatever that the blend from weird to crossing the line was somehow blurred as it happened.

I HATE THESE BLURRED LINES
I KNOW YOU WANT IT

>>7935802

You keep saying this and yet you're ignoring the fact that it's almost impossible to prove that you've been raped.

>>7935795
oh ya bro 9 out of every 10 girls are raped over a million times in their lives anyone accused of rape should be put to death also sometimes saying "yes" isnt rlly giving consent!

there are u happy tumblr? pls go now
>>7935798
>Support her in what way?

im sure she can figure something out, she seems like the resourceful kind of girl that will do anything for a shot at fame (like squeeze terrys balls)

>>7935806

Libertarians think a lot of fucking stupid shit. So many of them are insane conspiracy theorists worrying about the NWO.

>>7935819

Why do you always cherry pick arguments and ignore all others when you're embroiled in an internet debate?

It's like you enjoy making yourself look as dense as possible.

>>7935812
ever thought that

maybe

just maybe

thats the reason 99 out of 100 "rapists" get away free?

not because the evil patriarchy but because its almost always he said vs she said?

>you will never plow a girl so well it makes the feminist news

>>7935791
I was just musing in general on something I find funny

it's true that trunks is not very good with reading comprehension and makes his points badly sometimes

he reminds me of a friend I had who did that a lot, but I knew the guy and I knew he was bright and genuinely insightful sometimes, he just sucked at putting it into a formal argument, and often misread other people's posts

I don't think I would have called him dumb because I really don't think it would be a fair description. I just think there was something lacking in his language skills that made it hard for him to communicate what he thought, and even then, I only thought that about his ability to read and write, specifically. He was better at communicating his thoughts through speech.

I don't know trunks, so I can't say whether that's an accurate description of him, but he can be genuinely witty and sometimes he has pretty good instincts; I don't think he's stupid. He just has a habit of misreading things and phrasing his arguments in inexact ways not suited to a formal argument. I think it wouldn't be unfair to call him a little bit illiterate, but I don't think he's an idiot, far from it.

in this argument in particular I don't agree with some of what he's saying, but I'm in pretty close agreement with him about what is, and what is not, rape.

>>7935832
Lel

>>7935849
ive been up for like 17 hours usually i 0wn the e-arguments my game is weak rn

>>7935826

I...I just can't anymore. Holy shit. You have like zero reading comprehension or any skills to infer from suggestions.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

>>7935872
you're butt status: rekt

>>7935849

Well then next time please, argue in trunk's place.

Because even if I disagree with you, you at least seem able to articulate yourself without slipping into logical fallacies, spewing ad homs, and making every other comment some facetious expression.

>>7935859
don't worry trunks, you fight the good fight

>>7935820
yeah, true, but the only thing I care about is whether they understand the sanctity of property rights, and they pretty much all do. What they say about FEMA camps and NWO is immaterial as long as they understand rights.

>>7935805
>implying elements of it were in any way esoteric or confusing

>jezebel.com
fucking feminist shit im glad this guy that looks like absolute shit is exploiting his retarded fame to fuck even more retarded hot sluts obsessed with fame and money. If this guy wasn't famous he would be married to a 300lbs warpig but he is getting more pussy than us with hot females because women are dumb and want fame and money. FUck that shit

>>7935859
shit, I'd be slipping really bad if I was up for 17 hours

ok that explains a lot then

why don't you go get some sleep

>>7935268
If he looked like Brad Pitt no one would complain. He just wants to enjoy the good life like everyone else and since he doesnt have the face, he has to resort to that bullshit.

>>7935268
If he looked like Brad Pitt no one would complain. He just wants to enjoy the good life like everyone else and since he doesnt have the face, he has to resort to this dumb ass fashion bullshit.

It's Terry Richardson, you should know what you are getting in to.


Not only that, you know these girls can say no right? Yeah I bet he is pushy but fuck that. Are you telling me when fucking Miley Cyrus does a shoot for him she sucks him off and gets cum blasted?

If you haven't the ability to be firm and say no you shouldn't do a shoot for Terry OR do modelling in general, you are going to get abused.

>>7934131

>>7934065
I agree with this

time to cop some american apparel

>>7936023
To be fair, they may feel that saying no will cost them their career because TR is well-connected and there's certainly pressure for them to demonstrate that they're 'serious' about making it in the industry. In any other professional field, we would consider such a pressure to be disgusting and unacceptable. But we accept it in the world of modelling. Why?

>have a boyfriend
>get naked for, and willingly jack off another man until he blows on your face (was not forced to do any of this)
>do it all just to "get your name out there" in your field of work
>literally, she literally just said 'fuck the world' and sold her body just for some one who is half-famous to take pictures of her
>IT'S ALL HIS FAULT HE FORCED HER TO DO EVERY SINGLE BIT OF WHAT WAS DESCRIBED, AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THIS TO BE MADE UP DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE IS 0 EVIDENCE AND IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS AFTER THE FACT. SHE IS A MARTYR AND AN EXEMPLARY YOUNG WOMAN
fucking women.

I don't care about the girls. I don't care about the rapes. I just have this fantasy of killing famous photogs and then take a pic using they favorite method or configuration. Would be funny.

>>7936912
This

>>7936959
This, man, this.
Would be /fa/ as fuck
>Anton Corbijn I'm coming for you

>>7936959
Or u could jus do it better than him

>>7934185
>drunk guy flips car
>still has the judgement to avoid police involvement
>BEING DRUNK MEANS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE RATIONAL ASSESSMENTS
>THIS ANECDOTE PROVES DRUNKEN HOOKUPS IN A VENUE FOR DRUNKEN HOOKUPS ARE RAPE

You're not all that bright, are you.

>>7935041
>They could have left, but it might have damaged their careers.

>That being said, girls who WILLINGLY stay and participate know what they're doing and are consenting in order to boost their career.

Waht propagates this kind of thinking is rape culture, plain and simple.

If the girl was told beforehand that sexual activity was to be anticipated during the shoot and she had second thoughts afterwards, ok, maybe it's not accurate to classify it as assault.


This girl was young and helpless, what she had undergone traumatized her. It's almost unconscionable to pass off such an invasion of human rights as "par for the course". In what possible context could the promotion of predatory behavior be excusable? Girls like her used like pieces of meat while being told that they're "strong" for not speaking up against their abusers are not the winners here. It's not as simple as let some ugly old man have sex with you and boom you've got the job, no repercussions at all. What dignity is there for the people trying to make it in these casting-couch industries? It's shitty sexism and ignorance that makes victims feel guilty.

>>7935994
>looked like Brad Pitt no one would complain.
Reverse that situation. Pretend it's a woman perpetrating the assault. If you're not consenting to what's going on, paralyzed by terror you aren't having a good time buddy.

>>7937379
Dude, women should be strong enough to say "no" as soon as they feel uncomfortable in a situation like that. Instead of defending the young and helpless, we should be empowering them to stand up and think for themselves. Is it their faults for not saying "no" and consenting to something that made them uncomfortable, yes it is. It doesn't matter if she knew beforehand that there was a slight possibility of sexual activity. Richardson asked if they wanted to do nudes and pushed them if they responded negatively which is completely wrong of him. But why can't we just teach women to walk out of those situations? Hell, I had an ex once who forced himself on me and I womaned up, told him to take a hike and I left the situation. I know some other girls aren't as strong-willed but why should we depict women as these delicate, easily-traumatized little flowers?

>>7937540
>women should be strong enough to say "no" as soon as they feel uncomfortable

Trouble is, not everyone can. Never blame the victim bro.

>we should be empowering them to stand up and think for themselves.

Yes. By shunning predatory behavior and holding the perpetrators accountable.

> Richardson asked if they wanted to do nudes and pushed them if they responded negatively which is completely wrong of him.

I agree.

>But why can't we just teach women to walk out of those situations?

Self confidence is earned, not taught. Again, why focus on women as if they're the only party involved?

>Hell, I had an ex once who forced himself on me and I womaned up, told him to take a hike

Good for you, anon. You have more initiative than many other girls who find themselves in your situation.

Ultimately the responsibility falls on the people like Terry. They don't have to coerce young girls into sexual situations that veer into rapey territory. But they're scumbags who'll never change. Not unless they're barred from coming in contact with vulnerable individuals. Yet, he's made a world famous photog renowned the world over.

What a fucking joke.

>>7937540

if i was a girl i would be pretty angry at the fact that a fellow female willingly holds ideas that support rape culture (but in all likelihood you're just pretending to be hoping it makes your volatile shit more acceptable [it doesn't])

>jezebel
>270 posts and 36 image replies omitted. Click here to view.
Somehow, I thought we were at least above this ilk. Apparently not.

Sasha Grey's shitty book has a character obviously based on Terry. The parts involving him are the only interesting/compelling parts because aint' nobody's asshole snorting a pinch of chili powder or Sasha talking about how jizz is the meaning of life.

>Bundy says, ‘Take a look at this.’
>And he swipes through a series of photos on his phone so fast that at first I can’t make out what I’m looking at, except a blur of clashing colors and close-ups taken at extreme angles.
>Bundy’s swiping through the pictures on his phone like a rookie salesman so nervous about giving his first Powerpoint presentation to a room full of important clients that he forgets to let go of the remote and races through all his slides at once.
>The slides he’s been up for three days non-stop without sleep to get finished in time for this, his first big sale. All gone, in less than half a minute. And he’s left standing there, looking up at a big blank screen before he’s even finished talking through the first slide, hoping he’s still going to make his commission this month.
>Bundy’s not nervous, he’s just excited. But he is trying to sell me something. He’s trying to sell me on the idea of snorting a line of cocaine racked out along his penis.
>This is what the photos are of mostly, I realize, when he lingers on one just slightly longer than the rest. A portfolio of girls doing exactly that. And this is his pitch to the unwary. Not an easy sell, but he’s giving it his all.

(there's a bit of Hunter Moore in this character too, and later he's partially responsible for an Amanda Knox-style suicide with the Bob Dylan cards in her Youtube suicide note video)

>>7938023

>We’ve only just met. Actually, we’ve only just been introduced, by Anna. Bundy doesn’t say, ‘hi’ or ‘nice to meet you’. He says, ‘take a look at this’. And out comes his portfolio of conquests.
>This is what Bundy does.
>He trawls clubs, bars, clothing stores, fast-food outlets, supermarket checkouts for cute girls. But it’s not enough for them to be cute. They also have to be willing.
>He calls it ‘making new friends’.
>Proof of these encounters appears daily on his website, Bundy’s Got Talent, for a worldwide audience of bozos.
>Sounds innocuous. It’s anything but.
>In the armed forces, they call it ‘mission creep’. When a military campaign oversteps its original boundaries and shifts objectives.
>This is porno creep.
>When pornography oversteps its boundaries and pretends it’s something it isn’t.
>Almost as soon as Bundy’s new ‘friends’ have made his acquaintance, he pulls out his camera and tries his damnedest to encourage them to do one of three things, right there and then.
>Flash tits. Parade pussy. Suck cock.
>On a good day, all three.

>Bundy says, ‘You’re not like all the other girls.’ And I know he’s spinning me a line that’s probably worked a thousand times before. But not this time.
>‘How so,’ I say, ‘because my mouth is connected to my brain and not your cock?’
>He pretends not to hear.
>Bundy gets us both a drink, me and Anna. He gets mine wrong. I ask for orange juice. I get a Screwdriver. He thinks I wouldn’t notice.
>Cute trick.

>Bundy’s talking to this girl, and he knows he’s got her where he wants her but she’s still playing hard to get. And so he pulls his trump card.
>Bundy says, ‘I promise that once you see my cock, you’re gonna want to put it in your mouth. I guarantee it. I double guarantee it.’

>Trouble is, not everyone can. Never blame the victim bro.

Except the woman in this story wasn't a victim, she consented to everything. Just because she regretted it afterwards, doesn't mean it was rape.

>Ultimately the responsibility falls on the people like Terry. They don't have to coerce young girls into sexual situations that veer into rapey territory. But they're scumbags who'll never change. Not unless they're barred from coming in contact with vulnerable individuals. Yet, he's made a world famous photog renowned the world over.

No, the responsibility falls on individuals to be responsible for their own actions and to not blame others for decisions that THEY have made that they later regret.

>>7938023
>And there I was
>About to get bulldozed by 5 basketball players with dicks big enough to make them baseball players

>>7938221

no, no, that's later when she gets "procured" by Bundy for an Eyes Wide Shut party.

>>7935344

>being so retarded you believe that most people align directly with one one party

>>7935453

FOR ONCE TRUNKS MAKES VALID POINTS AND TUMBLR REDDITOR LIBERAL FUCKS BAND TOGETHER TO SPREAD THEIR FEMGENDA

make a valid point against trunks instead of calling him retarded+

>>7937599

wahhh we're so weak, its all the mans fault, wahhh we can't say no

shut the fuck up

I really don't think I can browse /fa/ after seeing the amount of actual femshit stupid fucks we have on this board

>>7938789
>>/r9k/
pls go

>>7931561
wow i learned so much today

>>7938793

spoonfed liberal pls go

>>7934036
Rape victims don't voluntarily at the raper's house for a visit. Your argument is invalid.

>>7938868
shut the fuck up

>>7938874
you read too much george r r martin or something?

>>7937599
>They don't have to coerce young girls into sexual situations that veer into rapey territory. But they're scumbags who'll never change. Not unless they're barred from coming in contact with vulnerable individuals. Yet, he's made a world famous photog renowned the world over.

Okay, where do I start?

Let's do it from start to finish.

>They don't have to

It's not a question of whether he "has to" have sex with these girls. The question is whether the sex was consensual.

>coerce

No coercion was used. You're stretching the definition of the word in applying it here. I won't provide you with a dictionary definition in this post, I'll assume you can look it up.

>young girls

Weaselly choice of words here. "Young women" would be more to the point. We're talking about people who are legally adults who should be more or less able to handle themselves.

>into sexual situations that veer into rapey territory.

"veer into rapey territory" is a pretty vague term that essentially is a way of saying "it's like rape but it's not rape".

continued in next post

>>7937599
>>7939911
>But they're scumbags who'll never change. Not unless they're barred from coming in contact with vulnerable individuals.

You can't be serious. You worded it in such a way as to not propose what ought to be done about people like him, except to hint that maybe a solution to the problem is to ban contact between him and every child and woman on the planet (only viable way of doing that is jail time). Why? Because he had questionably ethical consensual sex?

>Yet, he's made a world famous photog renowned the world over.

Because of the photos he takes? We didn't make him famous as a reward for working tricks to get women to suck his cock

>>7939916
/sighs

All that just went way over your head didn't it? You've missed the point by about a mile.

It's never, never ever the victim's fault. He had no right to make such advances whether she was naked or not. Implied consent does not apply to this particular scenario, because she was "led" into under false pretenses (modeling).


> who are legally adults
> who should be more or less able to handle themselves.

But not yet mentally mature enough to fully understand what they're getting into, right? Why would she disclose her experience in that AMA if it was all fine and dandy? You're grasping at straws now.

> The question is whether the sex was consensual.

If the girl's word is anything to go by, she was certainly not the willing participant we'd like to believe she is.
>I'll assume you can look it up.

Don't sass me bruv. You can reasonably conclude that he used his status in the industry as coercion.

>only viable way of doing that is jail time

He's a sexual predator. If he was any other committing heinous acts, he would immediately be dealt litigation and subjunctions. Sexual harassment cases are precarious and hard to prove even without people second guessing a victim's account. Being a highly sought after photog makes his predatory, lechery ways even more disconcerting b/c it gives him easy access to naive girls like her.

I'm only being this insistent because you seem to find it hard to believe that what I've proposed is possible. Why?

>>7937379
>rape culture

>>7940154
"Dumb people are always blissfully unaware of how dumb they really are." - Patrick Star

>>7940146
>/sights
stopped reading right there

>>7937613
We, the observers of this discussion, do not care one bit about your feelings. Your feelings do not make us any more likeley to swing your way.
Frankly, you, as a person, are irrelevant to this discussion.

>>7940181
stop

>>7940178

>>7940146
>If he was committing any other heinous acts*,

>>7940146
>It's never, never ever the victim's fault

Is this a slogan or something

You say it like it's some kind of truism, like it cannot be argued

>>7940146
>If the girl's word is anything to go by, she was certainly not the willing participant we'd like to believe she is.

if the girl's word is anything to go by, she did not refuse him, and performed the sex act

>>7940146
>He's a sexual predator.
Yeah man he preys on people who consent to having sex with him

somebody call the police

>>7940178
>anime reaction image

regardless, I agree with you, I should have stopped reading at /sighs, too

>>7940241
>>7940241
No, it can't. It is the mantra of all defense attorneys errywhere for a good reason.

The person perpetrating the acts can choose whether to do so or not, the receiver has no choice in the matter. So the burden of proof rests in the defense trying to prove the perp's involvement.

>>7940248
>she did not refuse him, and performed the sex act


She didn't actively participate. Hence why she was "nervous and paralyzed".

>>7940258
>>7940266
why /fa/ why

I know i'm not the best debater in the world but come on.

>>7940277
What fucked up sense of agency you have.
How do you even get out of bed in the morning with such a pesimistic view of humanity.

>>7940277
>It is the mantra of all defense attorneys errywhere for a good reason.

Yeah, because it's effective rhetoric?

>>7934065
I'm pretty sure a victim of "ACTUAL rape" would agree that Terry is a fucking rapist you dumb fuck.

>>7940277
>She didn't actively participate. Hence why she was "nervous and paralyzed".

She said she unbuttoned his pants, took his cock out and sucked it, she was certainly an active participant. Her being nervous is irrelevant, being nervous doesn't mean you were raped.

>>7940900
>I was being directed to do things
>being directed


She wasn't doing it out of her own free will from what I've gathered. Could anyone fill me in on what I'm missing here? Have I not been clear, or is subtlety is completely lost on you guys....?

>>7941439
have you ever been in a sexual encounter in your life?

if you're giving/receiving ANYTHING it's BEST if somebody tells you what they want and how.

people aren't fucking mind readers

>>7942417


Oh my g o d

>implications, what are they

>>7941439
>She wasn't doing it out of her own free will from what I've gathered.

How on Earth did you gather that? Being told to do things doesn't mean you didn't have a choice to do those things.

>>7942612

Good argument m8.