/fa/ - Fashion

>>7905166
almost every brand there is shit lol

>>7905184

dick ovens pls go

based fucking zilli

>>7905166
Where is Saint Laurent ?

>>7905205

you could throw it in there somewhere

I made this forever ago and only chose 4 from each category

lazy i guess

they would fall under contemporary tho

>>7905202

>dat croc

>>7905166
chinese/korean tier as fuck

>>7905225

then post something else you fucking fuccboi

>>7905222

lazy dump incoming

>>7905236
Well he does have a point. These brands are the most sought after by the common Asian nouveau rich people. They buy these brands like there is no tomorrow and without any concern of style and result.

To them it's just a means to show off their money and prove they can afford the lux brands.

Which is good for those brands, financially speaking, but it spoils those brands big time for folks like us.

>>7905210
lol YSL is classic. Haute Couture should either include YSL and Balmain because they were the originals or none of those, because most big fashion houses have moved to mainly ready-to-wear instead of couture.

Anyway, what is the purpose of this thread? You posted an image but nothing to start a discussion.

>>7905166
what a shit list. where is balenciaga, slp, balmain

>>7905260

>i won't wear something because people I don't like wear it

you are retarded

>>7905298

i was counting on others to start up a discussion. i really don't have much to say atm

how about price scales?

>>7905250

>>7905337
>>i won't wear something because people I don't like wear it
Holy shit
you are fuckin retarded
That's how the world works fuccboi

>>7905337
Well okay. I like Balmain and some of the more slim/formal designs that they put out, but they're ridiculously overpriced. SLP under Hedi has some seriously cool shit, but it's also fairly overpriced.

I'm a fan of the stuff that has minimalist branding, which most 'lux' brands don't seem to do. SLP is pretty good with that. I don't really like any of the big name Italian luxury brands precisely because of the gaudy branding/logos. The clothes should speak for themselves and it's silly over the top design that makes so many of these lux brands reek of wealthy asians.

>>7905360

no, that's how fucking hipsters think you autist

if koreans started running around in dick ovens i bet you'd still wear them

you're a fucking pleb if you let other people's fashion taste dictate your own

pic related: it's you

How come Prorsum is never talked about here? They do really nice stuff from basics to outerwear.

Also, trying to talk about Kiton/Tom Ford/Etro/anything that does mostly menswear on /fa/ is pointless, OP

>>7905441

Prorsum is awesome, especially the men's line

Their outerwear is certainly top notch, especially compared to the other BB lines

It's a shame that so few stores carry it

>>7905184
Sour graped nerd pleb detected.

Enjoy your virginity dressing in obscure shit.

>>7905447
I was looking at their leathers today, would you say they're on the same tier as stuff you'd find at Dior, SLP or even Loro Piana?

btw I don't understand why commercial luxury brands are systematically bashed, if you look past their entry level accessories and shit they make exclusively for middle class plebs to show off, brands like Gucci, Louis etc have really nice stuff and remarkable quality

>>7905465

It's always cool to hate what's popular.

LV, Gucci, Fendi etc all have captured an unglamorous but important market segment which likes the ostentatious, monogram shit. These people do spoil the brand image in the eyes of certain customers, but buyers with an eye for quality and design know that the more exclusive parts of their lines still retain serious integrity.

To wit:

LV's ready to wear is as good as most anything you can find at a similar price point, and is limited to flagship stores

Gucci does excellent exotics and leathers, and their dress clothes (suits and shirts) are likewise fabulous

Fendi is arguably the best furrier in the world. Their outerwear is second to none

and so on

But back to Prorsum, I really have no idea because I've not seen any of their leathers in person.

Loro Piana is known more for their fabrics than their leathers.

Top of the mark for leathers would probably be Kiton or Zilli. These are usually 5 figure jackets

>>7905166
>Louis Vuitton
Like the granite blue/dark theme
>Prada
No opinion. Some Russians wear Prada, but otherwise the brand is dead.
>Gucci
Awful brown, red, green, but some belts are nice.
>Etro
Fantastic, extravagant clothes. You must be insanely beautiful and extravagant looking to pull them off.
>Burberry
Slightly dorkish. Males who wear Burberry look like pushovers, because they are wannabe "aristocrats". Not edgy enough.
>Tom Ford
Best suits.
>Emporio Armani
Is ok.
>Hermes
$1000 H belt. Hard to differentiate from fakes though.
>Versace
Clothes for Mexican drug lords. What is slim fit?
Absolutely fantastic interior design, pillows and bed cloth.
>Kiton
Best suits also I guess?
>Givenchy
Swag fag yolo shoes.
>Chanel
Luxury for women, nice earrings.
>Juicy
Chick clothes. Not luxury.

I'm going to NY and will be visiting Gucci and LV stores. What to cop? Belts, scarves?

>>7905166
How do you distinguish Contemporary from Pseudo, from Heute Couture? How?

I'd say ETRO is exotic.

I'd say Burberry is classic.

>>7905504

That Hermes belt pisses me off

1000 dollars for an (admittedly nice) calfskin belt with a brass (brass!) buckle, plated in like 2 microns of gold

I think it's tacky as fuck tbh

how about some belts with real gold and platinum?

>>7905520

Exotic, as in makes heavy use of exotic materials (crocodile, ostrich, stingray, viper, etc)

>>7905520

pseudo is bridgewear and stuff that wants to look flashy without actually being high quality

easiest way to tell is just look at the country of manufacture

most pseudo shit is made in India, China, Sri Lanka, etc.

>>7905496
Yeah, that's completely right.
How come we don't see more of the actually interesting ready to wear put out by those brands? They're rarely if ever available on retailer websites and when they are it's usually their monogrammed bullshit and none of the nice things.

>Gucci
>leathers
Do they? I've always thought they weren't the best at leathers at all. I figured Dior, Balmain, SLP made the best conventional leather jackets (I said conventional to exclude Rick, CCP...)

I didn't know that Fendi did good outerwear. They don't actually list any of their clothing on their official website, just like LV, that's really annoying. I guess it's to keep some kind of exclusivity to it but how am I supposed to shop then?

>Loro Piana is known more for their fabrics
Well their cashmere is immaculate (although they're not strictly the best imo) but their leathers are really, really nice too. Perhaps they aren't renowned for them but they're still very nice.

And yeah I knew Zilli was top tier. What about Bijan?

Which section would these fall into:
- DSquared
- Rick Owens
- Alexandre Plokhov
- Marc Jacobs
- Jeremy Scott

>Stefano Ricci
>Zilli
>Angelo Galasso
First time ever hearing about these.

Is that something that only the mafia buy?

>>7905575

I'm not sure about regular Gucci leathers, but their exotic leathers are great. I saw a beautiful olive bomber in ostrich leather last year. It sold for like 11k

Their regular leathers may not be up to that standard. I've always found them rather boring tbh

They don't really advertise their best lines because those usually move without advertisement. People who are regulars at any vendor usually already know what they want and what to expect

Regardless of OP's categories, I'm curious as about which brands put out the most immaculate clothing in terms of quality, materials, attention to detail...

I guess I'd have to break it down in several categories, so which brands (not including bespoke tailoring) are considered as the "end all" of the following
>classic outerwear (coats, bomber jackets, short jackets...)
>suiting and menswear (shirts etc)
>shoes
>accessories (belts, wallets, luggage, scarves, whatever)
>casual stuff and basics like tees, sweaters, jeans and trousers...

at a certain point is there even any difference between all the luxury brands? Will a Hermes leather be really different from a Zilli one? Or will a Tom Ford sweater be any different from a Loro Piana one?
Or do those brands usually specialize in something they do really well?

>mfw I see Etro's S/S for 2014
oh my fuckin god

>>7905604

lol the Russian mafia is a big customer, yes

saudi oil barons are also very keen on them

i remember one very humorous incident at the Zilli store a few months back

i walked into the store and their was some shouting in the back

went around the corner, and there were two old russian men sitting on the couch in their underwear trying on boots, while a third had practically hanged himself with a long scarf that had gotten caught on the tall shelf he pulled it down from

>>7905621

here's a quick and dirty

Suiting: Kiton/Brioni
Dress Shirts: Turnbull and Asser/ Ascot Chang
Neckties: Hermes/ Isaia
Dress shoes: John Lobb/ Tom Ford
Sneakers: Dior Homme/ Lanvin
Sportswear: Zenga Sport
Swimwear: Vilebrequin
Outerwear: Burberry Prorsum/ Loro Piana
Exotics: Zilli/ Angelo Galasso
Furs: Fendi
Accessories & Bags: Bottega Veneta
Jewelery: David Yurman
Watches: Patek Phillipe/ Breguet

>>7905621

and generally yes, each vendor has something that they do or are known to do better than anything else

the only real way to appreciate the differences is to deal with the pieces in person. all the discussion in the world won't help as much as an afternoon wandering through bergdorf goodman

>>7905642
Where did you get this info from?

>>7905642
>Brioni
>Kiton
Aren't these for old rich men? Look at the fits. They aren't slim at all. Shouldn't Tom Ford be something for younger people who are still skinny?

>>7905656

experience

feel free to edit or add to it as you like

I only put one or two in each category because i'm lazy

Kiton and Brioni are certainly not the only houses that make fabulous suits

Brioni won't be great unless you're a heavy faggot

Cesare Attolini and Isaia both make fantastic suits as well

the list goes on

>>7905642

Also

Jeans: 3x1 Denim
Tees: Louis Vuitton/D&G

>this week on things you will never be able to justify buying...

>>7905642
This thread and this post in particular are the two most disgusting things ice ever seen on the internet

>>7905715

filtered

have a happy day, Shitposter McGee

>>7905673
What about individual preferences.

For example, t-shirts. How can you say a specific brand is better at a simple tshirt, when in reality tshirts are things that are most prone to being personalized?

>>7905737

With something as simple as t-shirt, it is hard to say one is better than other

You can break it down like this:

Materials
Design
Cut
Fit
Color
Production number
Manufacturing process

the price ceiling for a 100% cotton shirt seems to be right around 500 dollars

small details, like leather piping, a patch of some special material, or a licensed design (coke bottle, AC/DC, etc) can raise the price

again, the best way to tell the difference is to get to know it firsthand!

and that's why bergdorf and other department stores are so great for trying things

>>7905634

I really like Zilli because they're like the only brand that allows a measure of bargaining over their stuff

Nobody else does that shit today unless you order bespoke, and rarely even then

does luxury include fine jewelery?

what's wrong with michael kors

>>7905166
Dior and Versace are not top tier luxe they're commercial ditto givenchy

Zillion and kiton are classic luxe brands

There are people who have never heard of kiton walking into the store front in la thinking it's some hipster store and gawk at the prices...store front accessible. To mass public isn't exotic

>>7905841

>>7905853

>Zillion and Kitten

mountain dew came out my nose

lol @ commerical luxury
filipino mothers with louis vutton handbags and gucci sunglasses to go with the sweatpants and track jacket they bought from kmart

>>7905642
somebody posted this on a thread the other day, someone had a field day poking holes in it

>>7905604
Rick is okay I've had a few shirts from them too old man fit

Their ties were popular on styleforum but they're too thick

Leather had too low armholes

>>7905576
Low end
Ricks brio I produced knife blazer is a steal compared to mainline brioni

>>7905520
Haute couture is only for women

>>7905863

i bet he was a tripfag and shitposter

oh wait, those are the same thing

>>7905872
no, just a regular anon who understood it's really, really hard to gauge quality when you're talking about this sort of level without intimate and extensive experience in what you're doing (evaluating quality)

also, everyone knows marinella ties are where it's at

>>7905873

their ties have a weird texture

too smooth or something. idk but I just don't like them

>>7905642
Ascot Chang shirts are not great

I'd rank charvet and ta higher
Charvet is real stiff to wear

Tand a I wore with selvedge denim a lot the way the collar and cuffs were cut allowed for slop ass styling I always go for

Tom ford is known for over the top suiting not foot wear the classic 4inch lapels and 5 button surgeon cuffs scream tom ford but that isn't real luxury that's more jimmy Fallon bragging about suits and apple products

>>7905885

well seeing as i have plenty of experience will all brands listed, i feel confident vouching for their quality

but as i said, it's not definitive by any means, and you could easily put 5 more names in each category and still be at the top of class

>>7905873
>Low end
Really now? They are very expensive. More expensive than Armani and some of the brands on that list.

>>7905888

yeah but his shoes are extremely well made

soles from england

uppers from italy

lined in france

etc etc

>>7905893

i've seen dick ovens go at 75% markdowns on major websites

i personally do not like his stuff because it's all desaturated and uses too many gossamer fabrics

materials wise it's not really up there. hence the discounts

>>7905883
Yeah and the lining is hella thick too

The button is a nice touch though

I just wear hermes now, they're not great but whatever

>>7905496
Saying logo piana is known for fabrics is like saying zegna is known for the fabrics sold to low end mall suiting.

Lord piana has the best non china cashmere on the market.

That one fit pic I posted with the black cardigan was from them! shirt was James Peres I believe....way back in college

props to Galasso for actually designing a pair of fucking shorts

I don't know why so many houses expect men to wear fucking trousers year round. if they make anything else it's a gay little bathing suit

>>7905891
you ignored many less well-known, but very high quality brands when you made your list, which casts a bit of doubt on your statement. that said, your openness to additions is wise

marinella makes great ties, finamore and charvet make great shirts, bruno cucinelli makes great sweaters/knits, michael bastian makes great trousers/knits, and then you have the mess of excellent italian houses like borrelli, boglioli, isaia, and so on to draw from

and that's not even going into the RTW collections of saville row houses, as well as people like ozwald boateng, whose work must also be taken into consideration when compiling lists like that

>>7905893
They don't sell kiton suits for 95% off on gilt. A steffano ricci tie will run you about $300 ish

You have that mixed into a list with Marc Jacobs and other laughable level shit

I guess to a 19 year old trying to be edgy rick skirted jeans is luxurious with common projects but it's not built to the level of some of these Japanese bespoke shoes and savile row suiting you see discussed

> talking about koniesgg, Ferrari, Lambo
> you chime in and say is my pre owned BMW 3 series luxury? People tell me it is and I saw an ex race car collector car BMW sell for a lot once at auction

>>7905918

well my understanding is that LP is heavily invested in the upkeep and breeding of high quality fabric livestock, so it's hardly surprising

>>7905930

knock yourself out then buddy. make the list better

I refuse to buy Bruno Cucinelli because their paper ads are pants on head retarded

Who the fuck thinks they're going to move luxury clothing using lines from Hegelian philosophy?

>>7905930
abstain is no longer made by crucible li wouldn't consider him as a higher end designer much anymore

If you handled some of his newer shit it's not great, like those grey level shit.

I've never owned a marinella tie or finnamore shirt

>>7905958
Japanese don't have quality shoes.

Claiming that brands that 99% of planet cannot afford are not luxury is the same as a Saudi Oil Baron claiming that anyone who is earning less than him is a poorfag.

There is luxury and there is ultra luxury. Marc Jacobs is far from laughable, since most people cannot afford it.

The same way most people cannot afford a BMW M3.

>>7905960

oh god i thought I was the only one who noticed this crap

i mean seriously, they need to gtfo with this shit

>>7905960
loro piana also dominates a large section of the market for unprocessed vicuna, and they spend thousands a year on research and breeding

plus with all their holdings in cashmere, loro p is a powerhouse in high quality fabrics

>>7905967
Bastian* cucinelli* thome grey*

>>7905973
Maybe you should wear some of these brands before citing the feats of Marc Jacobs...I've seen his products and I am far from impressed

Most people can afford a BMW
It's only $400/ month + 3 years of free maintance

Making it one of the cheapest cars to own

Japanese bespoke has now surpassed most English makers

why cant high end fashion brand make website that arent pants on head retarded?

why do i have to click 10 times to scroll through fucking poetry to look at collections not even for sale?

>>7905967
both are just brands that are all about solid quality: conservative cuts, conservative patterns, good fabric, overall just sober quality pieces

>>7905985
bespoke shoe-making or clothing?

>>7905985
>Most people can afford a BMW
>It's only $400/ month + 3 years of free maintenance
Maybe an old and shitty version. What kind of bimmer goes for $400 a month?
New M6 is a different matter.

>>7905998
Most people don't have $400 a month to spend on it. I'm talking about the world here, buddy. Just because you live in Dubai, doesn't mean everyone does.

This is just like the Mensa retards pretending everyone under IQ 140 is automatically an idiot, while they well know that it is acceptable to be in 120-130 range.

It's simply not objective to say that a wallet which costs $600 cannot be considered "luxury".

>>7905982
brand image / identity & marketing

>>7905982

a lot of brands like to strictly control their image and make customers come into the store to see their merchandise

when you look at a product online, the photography and color of your monitor effects how the item looks. they don't like that, and many of them refuse to deal with merchandise returns because 'hurr durr it looked different on my ipad"

>>7905992
Shoes

>>7905998
335i SoCal BMW dealer $0 down I believe

Toyota Camry v6 $0 dows $357 month?

>>7906009
fair enough.

clothes look better in person anyway
sucks that a lot are Italian exclusive and i cant find a lot of stores even in chicago where i live

>>7905983
Meh not really abstain dropped off my radar when he did the gant nonsense
And dropped from the BBC family

Cucinelli is okay. But there are better houses for each item. I never ended up buying anything from him.

bump

>>7905788
this is so rank

>>7905926
wtf everyone sells shorts

>>7906158

problem?

>>7906177
well duh i just said it was rank
doofus

>>7906182

do you not like skins or are you just a tasteless /fa/g?

>>7906190
embarrassing
looks like shit fat greasy men wear /w ferrari caps and lacoste trainers

>>7906193

does this look like a fat greasy man to you faggot?

these are 6 figure jackets

if you work your entire life you'll never be in a position to own something this nice

so pardon me if I can't take your dreadful taste seriously

>>7906193
correction:
>fat greasy men w/ ferrari caps and lacoste trainers who make more stacks in two weeks than most people make their entire lives

>>7906197
lmao
no he's not fat he's model
but he still looks terrible
real talk i'd like to see an outfit from you cause i can't imagine anyone looking even ok in anything like this and i would love to be swayed

why does it have to be about money and why are you angry? i just think it's tasteless, boring, ugly clothing. if both were free i'd wear all uniqlo over this stuff.

>>7906197
>if you work your entire life you'll never be in a position to own something this nice
How do you know? Maybe he is an engineer or works in finance or has a business?

How can you make this statement?

>>7906210

I'll show you an outfit when you show me an ounce of intelligence

and fucking uniqlo? seriously? have you ever bought something not marketed to broke ass college kids?

this is really like some retard in a honda civil telling the guy in a ferrari his car is shit and boring

in every possible consideration, you just have no fucking taste whatsoever. period. you've obviously never handled a garment of this caliber and never will

so enjoy your chinese rags. you can't judge something that is clearly over your head. stupid kid.

it's faggots like you that make this board absolutely insufferable to post on

>>7906225
you're conceited and prissy

>>7906210
and you're stupid

>>7906225
lol why are you being so aggressive
i dont wear uniqlo, i'm just saying that i find this stuff so tacky that if i was forced to choose between the two i would wear it

what do you like about the clothes? aside from the fact that they are good quality and expensive

>>7905853
Sieg speaking like he knows what he's talking about when in fact he's just masturbating in front of a croco leather jacket and wipes his tears with his cum tissue.

>>7906225
Actual autism.

>>7906225
Its shit haha

ITT: Poorfags who act like richfags.

Name dropping doesn't make you rich, dudes.
>Check out my tie from Mario Degli Tortellini. 8 figures, niggas.. Am I rich y-yet?

>>7906225
>you can't afford a painting so you have to like it

>>7906258
Russian nouveaux riches have the best taste ever, okay? Gold and crocodile skins and jewellery made out of elephant ivory. It's expensive so it's good. Poorfag.

>>7906232

Do you know anything about brand identity?

It's built over years and years of making exception products and surprising customers with things they haven't seen.

In marketing campaigns for fashion and jewelery houses, the world 'tradition' gets thrown around alot. That's because tradition matters. A reputation for not compromising; for not jumping behind fleeting trends; for maintaining integrity in the source materials, workmanship, exclusivity, price point and design philosophy.

When you walk into a store like Zilli, it's an entirely different experience. The lady who has been my personal shopper for years at Zilli is so dear to me that her and her husband were both invited to my wedding.

The clothes themselves appeal to me for many reasons. Zilli often combines multiple materials in a single piece.

This jacket, for example, is calf suede with a dyed beaver collar. The elastic bands on the waist and sleeves are made of carefully pinched napa leather with contrast stitching. The jacket will be lined either in cashmere or silk, or, if you want, a detachable beaver liner can be installed.

There comes a point where one grows tired with the vagaries of fashion and wants to buy something that will last him many years, or even the rest of his life. Pieces like this are not purchases so much as investments. If a man were to declare bankruptcy, it would not be surprising to see a jacket like this auctioned off as part of his estate.

Superior materials, simple but elegant designs, and expert craftsmanship are what stand the test of time. This jacket will still cut the same figure in 5 or 10 years as it does right now.

>>7906271

In the eyes of someone who follows trends, buys whatever is latest on the runway and obeys the consensus of an internet forum about fashion will not appreciate something like this, and that is fine. It's not for them. A Patek Philipe might look boring and old-fashioned to someone who likes Hublot or something flashy. But all told, the Patek is a better watch and will hold its value, like all good things do.

>>7906271
it looks like shit tho

lol @ being such a friendless loser u have to invite a fucking sales assistant to ur wedding

>>7906225
>it's expensive so it's good

Are you actually this stupid? This is literally the exact mentality generally attached to these nouveau riche "luxury" brands that ruin it for people with any interest in actual fashion. If you hate this board so much just leave, no one will miss your autistic shitposting about brands aimed at impressionable 14 year old girls and rich Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if you were both those things.

>>7906271
>in 5 years time this jacket will still be ugly
It sure will tom, it sure will.

>>7906271
i really doubt someone who shops on the reg at zilli would post here, and is old enough to be aware of the "vagaries of fashion"

>>7906271
Yeah, and it'll still look bad.

>>7906275
>>7906278
>>7906282

this must be the time of day that all the retards get back from work and start posting

was a good thread while it lasted

>mfw all the trolling ITT
The stuff that is being posted by this Zilli nigga is high class and masculine as fuck. Would buy if I could afford
>tfw dressed in a rocker/goof fusion and am starting to see my ways
Time to flip the switch and dress like a proper male
>muh wallet

>>7906291
too bad money cant buy taste B^)

enjoy youre gauche 10000$ jackets, the rest of us will look better in shit worth 1/20th the price

>>7906291
it really wasn't, all we did was namedrop throughout, no pics were exchanged, no real advice was traded

collections weren't discussed, influences weren't identified, the whole thing was absurdly superficial

which is the problem with most people who pretend to be into "high" fashion

>>7906291
Sorry ppl don't appreciate gaudy tasteless faux-luxury Guido shit.

>>7906294

except you won't

because I am already more beautiful than you to start with

protip: all the rick and goofcore in the world won't make you look like a mature male who has a secure place in society

>>7906295

blame /fa/, not me

most of you guys would rather circle jerk in your wdywt and recent cops thread

and maybe this stuff isn't 'high fashion'. maybe it's outside fashion. who cares. i like it and you're not going to change my mind, no matter how much you shitpost

>>7906294

>money can't buy taste B^)

www.rekt.com/shotsfired.html

>>7906317
post an outfit then

you probably wont because youre an insecure tastless 35 year old who wastes his money on garbage clothes to unsuccessfully lord over teenagers on 4chan

>>7906317
>I'm insecure so I need to buy expensive, luxury brand clothing to give myself a false sense of security and belonging in a world that doesn't give a fuck about me.

dat projection. the more you talk the more you sound like a caricature of some rich snob white boy with literally no taste and way too much money to spend on gaudy, tasteless luxury brands.

>>7906317
i was part of the discussion, and all i really thought of it was that there was someone namedropping and ranking shit without the slightest idea of what he was doing

which is sad, because this segment of fashion is a very interesting one, that is just given such a superficial treatment by those who claim to "appreciate it"

>>7906333

teenagers like you?

>>7906335

some would say that clothes make the man. i think the man makes the clothes. to each his own though.

>way too much money

this is supposed to be a bad thing?

i'm a broke fuck compared to some of the people i shop with

the president of 3M was in the store last week.

Prince Jefri used to shop at the New York store

>>7906317
If dressing like you're a character on the sopranos makes you feel good about yourself then by all means have fun with your life, but don't shit your $50000 crocodile panda skin camel fur lined Gucci x zili collab underpants when everyone calls a spade a spade.

>>7906360
see, this is exactly what im talking about

the name-dropping, the referencing, the "life" you all aspire to

WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING CLOTHES????

>>7906359

and you failed to contribute anything better because....

do you seriously think we could carry on a conversation about this stuff in peace for very long?

>>7906360
im new here, what's a spade?

>>7906317
k fuck off now nerd this is a board for fashion

>>7906360
like i thought, youll brag about your wealth to kids on the internet but when it comes to posting pictures of yourself, or even your shitty clothes? the insecurity shines through

here comes another excuse or maybe this will be just ignored

>>7906371
You got a point.

I mean, look at this shit, 10k-50k jackets?
This is the epitome of elitism.

>>7906360
We get it, you're rich. No one cares. You're getting rekt, just log off bro. Try reddit, maybe they'll spooge over your overpriced dadcore garbage.

>>7906371
probably not

and i failed to do that because im not in a position where i can freely buy this stuff. i have a pair of finamore shirts, a marinelli tie, and a few other assorted items from those "top shelf" designers, but by no means a complete wardrobe

i can vouch for the quality of the stuff i own, but beyond that im in the dark, and therefore dont think i should be making broad statements

and no, i dont think a conversation like that can be held here for too long due to the mere fact that most people here havent had extensive contact with these brands, so they really wouldn't have anything to say, which is why this thread was preposterous and doomed to failure from the get-go

>>7906359

I think it's interesting too. Let's talk about it.

To what extent do you think proletarian drift is harmful to the image of these brands? Will the phenomenon become more or less prevalent over time? And what solutions are there to maintain brand integrity while not sacrificing high sales figures?

>>7906399
maintaining integrity is sometimes the only way to keep your sales figures

look at burberry

>>7906403

what about them?

moving production of the brit line to china is maintaining integrity?

>>7906373

guise what's a spade

>>7906399

I think the best way to handle this phenomenon is to have multiple lines, but only advertise your main line, and less the garbage (so to speak) sell itself.

It's funny because this really amounts to making a product you're not really proud to sell.

But Versace, Polo, Burberry, Armani and others all do this. In some cases, they become more or less standalone brands themselves, as is the case with Armani.

But there's only so much dilution you can handle, and so many price adjustments you can make.

Sooner or later the old Chinese lady who finds herself looking at the same bag as a welfare queen is going to catch on

>>7906399
it's harmful if it gets to a point where the image of the brand is severely damaged (as trunks mentioned, a good example was the tipping point with burberry and "chav-wear")

but then again, the only reason brands like versace and givenchy profit is because of so called "prole-drift" (i dislike the elitist connotation of the term though)

but what i find funny and too often ignored is the cheapening of brands through their fragrance lines. i dont remember where i read this, but brands like chanel and armani derive an absurd amount of their profits from "cheap" (and i use this word with caution) fragrances, with absurd profit margins (after all, what's the cost of producing these + maintaining a skeleton team of nezes?). it just strikes me as a bit undignified for venerable brands to be surviving off of this sort of thing

then again, im no expert, so take my opinions w a grain of salt

>>7906426

let the garbage*

>>7906430

I've noticed this too. It seems like fragrance is always the least exclusive product a fashion house offers.

Some brands like Chanel and Tom Ford have real integrity behind their fragrances (firsthand creation of the various mixtures, ingredient selection, etc). But most of them I would imagine are outsourced for production in the same way eyewear is. Luxottica (not how you spell it) makes all this designer shit with the same factory process and then just stamps whatever logo on there. It's actually quite insulting to people who know better.

Same thing with watches. All made by fucking Fossil.

So many brands seem more interested in selling their image than actual products

>>7906447
ah good point, i forgot about those. yes, eyewear, fragrances and watches. all gateway products, easily recognizable, and brag-worthy for those who are into this sort of thing

strangely, this hasn't severely impacted the brand equity of these houses, although i assume that it will catch-up to them sometime in the future

but again, this all falls back to the notion of high-fashion as something exclusive, and i can't stress this enough. it should be so exclusive in fact that to sustain this system the general public (though by general public i mean "people who are below the income level targeted by these brands") must be discouraged, in all ways possible, from desiring these items. and these brands have been succesful in this regard: most people regard paying, say, 800 dollars for a pair of shoes as ridiculous and stupid (they do the discouraging themselves)

but this whole thing has been put into jeopardy by recent efforts to tap into new markets, with that typical 80s/90s mentality. but alas, we have to wait and see here, what will happen next.

>>7906481

This is part of the reason I like Zilli. Everything they make is truly in-house. I don't believe they do fragrances or watches. I assume they leave those to other makers. But their glasses are made in house, usually with precious materials.

I like that a small number of houses realize their production limitations and don't try to cash in on something they could outsource and sell cheaply. It's always funny to me to watch the salesladies squirm when I ask them where the movements in their watches come from.

>'SWISS MADE I ASSURE YOU!'

like that fucking means anything.

a lot of garbage is made in places like Italy and France

what kills me though is the shit that commercial luxury brands do with their mass market items

i mean have you heard about this shit? split manufacturing and trick stamping?

can somebody explain what contemporary and haute couture are for a dumb mexican like me?

>>7906504
oh definetely. industry standard for cheaper brands who wish to stake a claim of legitimacy to high-class manufacturing

it's truly sad we can't even trust the fucking brand selling us our stuff

regardless, it is good to know there are still a few holdouts doing business the early 20th century way, back from the time when companies would have "freres", "fills", "& sons" and so on attached to their names. a sustainable model, which sadly precludes innovation, but it is comforting to know that they will probably still be around 50 years from now

>>7906521

contemporary means the brand is of recent invention

as in, within the last 10 or 15 years, or earlier

see here for the rest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute_couture

>>7906225
>being this mad nobody likes your gucci shoes

>>7906576

w-what's wrong with my shoes?

>>7906591
Nothing wrong with them, they look comfy and probably have good quality.
The thing is that they are wayyyy tooo tacky having the all over print,
its like saying, hey look at me I can afford it.

>>7906605

I agree they are a bit tacky, but I do like them

had to put a better sole in them though because i have retard feet

>>7906591
wearing monogram stuff makes you look like a human billboard, jesus, how much Gucci pays you to publicize it? Gucci has some beautiful loafers, actually quite all their loafers are beautiful, but, hey, without the monogram nobody will know you can afford Gucci :^)

>>7905441
Very few of those brands are ever talked about here because most of /fa/ believes major fashion houses only produce handbags with logos.

>>7906612
If they were less tacky, all leather, you could pull a prep outfit with them.

>>7906615

>most of /fa/ is badly informed as dumb as fuck

sounds about right

>>7905504
>Prada
>dead
Maybe it was but have you checked out the collections of late? Spring '14 RTW was great.

rate my shoes you plebes

>>7906778
Stop stealing pics off tumblr

>>7906778

interesting fit on your twill pants

>>7906591
monograms are dumb, its tacky as fuck.

Their bit loafers are much better, they don't directly say gucci or have any logos/monograming but are still recognizable and look good.

>>7905642
(copypasta)

You just took random top tier brands without explaining anything.

Best suiting would be bespoke.
Same thing for dress shirts.
I agree about neckties, but there are other really good brands (Brioni, for one)
Tom Ford for dress shoes, seriously? The best dress shoes would be bespoke, giving you lots of other options, and you forgot to mention George Cleverley, Berluti, Edward Green...

DH and Lanvin aren't the end all of sneakers. In terms of quality, Visvim, Hender Scheme and other niche stuff are the best. In terms of design, it's arguable, and you have both understated options like CP, Saint Laurent, Hermès, Bottega Veneta, to very well made but tacky ones like Givenchy, Zanotti, Louis Vuitton...

Zegna Sport is nice, I think Prada also makes good stuff. But honestly for sportswear any top tier brand would be able to provide nice and comfortable garments. See Loro Piana's sweatpants, for example.

I don't know shit about swimwear.

Prorsum and Loro Piana for outerwear? Sure but no. They're really nice, but again, bespoke options are the best. Furthermore you didn't mention whether they were the best for classic menswear outerwear, technical outerwear...
When it comes to technical outerwear, the best are Acronym and Canada Goose, respectively for shells and warm parkas. No, not Woolrich.
As for menswear options, Brioni, Saint Laurent, Tom Ford, and like a dozen others are on the same tier as Prorsum and LP.

What do you mean by exotics? Unusual leathers?
In which case yeah, Zilli is the best. Also, as tasteless as they may be, Billionaire Couture and Bijan provide extremely overpriced but elder god tier exotic leathers, I think.

The best furs are the ones you get from actual fur specialists, not mass market luxury brands like Fendi which also "happen to" make furs.

Limiting accessories to Bottega is stupid.
For bags and travel accessories, Goyard, Hermès, Louis Vuitton, Valextra and others I've forgotten are just as good.

Cont.

>>7907931

Cont.

As for general leather accessories, you have like hundreds of contenders. Hermès, Bottega, WANT, LV, Fendi, Loro Piana, John Lobb, Ferragamo, etc.

Same thing for jewelry, and for watches.
Jewelry: Harry Winston, Cartier, Boucheron, Chopard, and others provide pretty much the same level of craftsmanship.
Watches: once you reach a certain point, all watchmakers are the same, unless you look at stuff from Dufour and the like. Patek, Vacheron Constantin, Breguet, some Jaeger stuff, Harry Winston...

>>7905504
>Burberry

What line?

Prorsum - Good quality, runway line, designs are pretty loud for the minimalist thing /fa/ normally goes for

London - Biz/bizcaz mostly Quality is meh, somewhat abuse of brand name, still some things worth copping

Brit - Casual, inconsistent design themes,Quality is all over the place, Pretty much flagrant abuse of brand recognition. VERY rarely will have a piece that is good, but an equivalent can almost certainly be found for less, of equal or greater quality. Exercise extreme caution.

guys I need an advice, I read on the net that Boss makes very good dress shoes, is it ok to spend 500 or more euros for a pair of boss oxford or there are better options for this price?

>inb4 only 500 euros? pleb
yeah I know, sorry, I just would like to know if they're worth the price, thanks