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Why is this place highly recommended? It's a lousy forum. It's a huge circlejerk over there. I have seen bad fits that are highly repped not because of the outfit, but just the user. Fucking circlejerking faggots. And to make matters worse, they would neg rep any newcomers fits to feel more "elite". Fuck these guys and fuck sufu.

>> No.7868880

>>7868855
shit im gonna be accused of posting this

>> No.7868882
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7868882

>>7868855
all tru, pic related

still some good fits/posters on there tho

>> No.7868888

>>7868882
jesus fucking christ mate

>> No.7868889

>>7868855
i like the forum outside the waywt/offtopics ,some good infortmation i came across tbh
>>7868882
hahah they look like circa 2004 hypebeasts camping at footlocker

PS dont look for the popular posters posts they're mostly rubbish now

>> No.7868903

>>7868882
how the fuck did that gets rep? holy shit. Maybe if I was a 6 year old member with 20k rep on my profile, dem thirsty fuccbois can suck my dick for that rep.

>> No.7868911

>>7868855
because of the knowledge base. there are threads on particular topics/products (eg backpacks eg black hi top sneakers) that have hundreds of replies with relevant information and youre making a thread here complaining about rep? get a grip

>> No.7868915

u sound like a little baby
>wah i got neg repped wah this site sucks it's just a big circlejerk of asians wah
sufu is good, and there's dozens of reasons as to why, idc if it's circlejerk-y over the OG members, they earned their respect either way

>> No.7868920

>>7868915
lol I'm asian and whenever I post my fits there, i get negged to oblivion.

>> No.7868926

>>7868915
sufu circlejerker pls go

>> No.7868930

-10 negs is bullshit, people shouldnt b allowed to do that

>post fit
>its doing ok, maybe like 3+ votes
>incoming butthurt asian
>-10 me
>another comes and -10's me
>everyone else negs me

this is why i stopped posting months ago its idiotic. Its a good forum though, i stay for alex's fits and the knowledge i can gain from it. the community is cancer though

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7868943

I don't get it, why is this fit getting repped?

Also, who the fuck invited greg chapman into sufu?

>> No.7868947

>>7868930
yeah this is another thing ppl will just blindly neg rep anything red they see and +rep shit in the green

very hivemind u very rarely see fits split down the middle

also yeah lmao a kids paying money to give bigger downboats on internet fashion forums

>> No.7868948

>>7868930
yeah this is exact bullshit. I think we should all make accounts, be subscribed members and start neg repping -10 and good rep bad ironic fits in sufu. Fucking cancer community and cancer rep system.

>> No.7868961

>>7868926
lol ok
superfuture has contributed a huge amount and is an invaluable resource, but you're going 2 dismiss because you're feelings were hurt
>>7868930
yeah this is true, repcom is awful, and you have people going on vendettas and -10'ing a bunch of posts
it should only work if everyone gets it, and even then, +1 works better either way, that, or weighted rep (like there used to be)

>> No.7868969

>>7868961
the only thing sufu has ever contribute was having a good marketplace. That's it. SZ has contribute way more to fashion than sufu ever has.

>> No.7868966

swag

>> No.7868977

>>7868961
>they earned their respect either way
This doesn't mean that it's a good thing that shit fits get upvoted and good ones downvoted because of vendettas and personal politics/dickriding
And it's that exact thinking which makes the sufu community so shit

>> No.7868985

>>7868915
>earn their respect either way
They are respected because of seniority, not their actions or posts.

>> No.7868989

>they earned their respect either way


lmao at caring about respect on an internet forum

fucken nerds

>> No.7868990

>>7868969
this is so fucking wrong, sufu completely changed the internet fashion landscape, you have no idea what you're saying
>>7868985
it's the latter as much as the former

>> No.7869011

>>7868990
If I wanna go have actual discussion with fashion related topics, I go to sz.

If I wanna jerk off to asian girls and white corny girls all day, I'm going to sufu.

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>>7868915
>>7868961
>>7868990
middle = u
right = sufu

>> No.7869025

>>7869016
lol at u having gay porn saved on ur hd

>> No.7869041

>>7868990
>sufu completely changed the internet fashion landscape

Sufu is a place for thirsty fuccboi who are thirsty for that green rep.

>> No.7869050

>>7869041
that doesn't mean the former statement isn't true

>> No.7869058

>>7868855
You should spend less time on the internet mate. Sufu has ok info if you're looking for something. Getting caught up in meaningless bullshit is all you

>> No.7869064

>>7869016
C'mon man, its a sfw board

>> No.7869062

>>7869058
this
i mean people saying stuff like >>7869050 >>7869011
have no idea about how much superfuture contributed to internet fashion over it's almost 10 year history, i think they're really only familiar with it as it is now

>> No.7869069

>>7869062
That still doesn't change the fact that sufu is shit right now.

>> No.7869071

>>7869069
it's not though

>> No.7869078

>>7868948
>cancer community
>how do we fix it?
>add more cancer

>> No.7869087

>>7868855
to be fair, it's gotten better. the community can be annoying, but at least there are some good fits and information now.

>> No.7869089

>>7869078
Because that is what everyone is not doing...oh fucking wait they are, what a surprise.

>> No.7869092

>>7869087
there have been good fits and great information for years
you guys are crazy
stop talking about sufu if you know very little about it and its history

>> No.7869104

>>7868930
I have love and respects for alex's fits. However, fuck that scamming asian shill jew.

>> No.7869109

has SSchadenfreude ever post a fit? If not, then he's a coward. Talking mad shit when he never post a fit.

>> No.7869118

>>7869092
yes, and it has gotten better in the recent years. not knocking it, I like it more now than I used to.

>> No.7869133

>>7869104

i can't like the fits when the dude is such a tryhard (and scamming) cunt though

theres no authenticity there

>> No.7869136

>>7869104
>>7869133
I keep hearing about how alex scam, but never heard of examples. Can anyone give me examples of his scams?

>> No.7869304

>>7869136
i talked to a guy that alex bought shoes from

he said alex kept making excuses of why he couldnt ship, someone in his family died or some shit, turns out he just sold them to someone else so the guy had to open a paypal dispute

>> No.7869339

>>7869304
reminds me the time when I was selling a rick hoodie in ebay but i was retarded enough to not put a reserve price. Rick items usually go for a premenium, and despite 44 watchers, those fuckers bid for it at 65$. I was 'OH HELL NO YOU DUMB NIGGERS'. So I made a bs excuse about how the hoodie got ruined on accident by my dumb parents who shrunk the hoodie in the washing machine. Fortunately, those suckers fall for it, and we were able to cancel that shit. I ain't selling rick hoodies for 65$ get the fuck out of town those stupid niggers. So now I'm going to relist with an entire different pics and reserve price this time.

>> No.7869346

>>7869339
high reserve price usually just means no one will bid on it, i remember a jacket i wanted getting relisted like 6 fucking times, won every auction but under the reserve each time, dude never managed to sell it either

id put it up with a BIN a fair bit higher than what you want for it and enable best offer

>> No.7869348

>>7869346
starting the auction at the lowest price youd sell for actually would be the best idea

>> No.7869354

>>7869348
yeah I'm thinking about doing that

>> No.7869403

>>7869339
LOL I think I saw that auction and I was watching it for a while.

You're a fuckwit for not putting the reserve the minimum you want for it.

>> No.7869432

>>7868855
yeah fuck sufu

>> No.7869457

>>7868855

> they would neg rep any newcomers fits to feel more "elite".

idk dude I was new there and my first fits were all super fucking popular with basically no negging

maybe you just fucking suck ass

>> No.7869496

>>7869457
post fit or you're just talking shit.

>> No.7869509

>>7869457
Link profile or be a fuccboi forever

>> No.7869771

>>7868855
>anon goes on sufu
>thinks he'll wreck them with his faun knowledge
>gets negged for his forced rick owens
>"ITS A CIRCLEJERK"

>> No.7869779

>>7869771
>fat ugly asian goes on sufu
>posts garbage fit in waywt
>its ok he got +50 rep tho, hes been there for 2 years

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>>7869771
Jokes on you Villy.

I got 5 rep on this sick fresh fit. You can't handle me villy.

>> No.7869791

>>7868855
SZ is so much better
prefer sufu's waywt tho

>> No.7869801

everyone saying sz > superfuture as though sz isn't far more of a circlejerk in almost every respect is deluded

>> No.7869805

good fits will always get upvoted but a considerable amount of background is always considered
(how popular your tumblr is and how juvenile/ironically unfunny your behavior is)

you don't need to subject yourself to it
nothing is lost if you avoid the website completely, better venues exist.

>> No.7869808

>>7869791
no sz is even worse
middle aged stale nerds substituting their erectile dysfunction with whatever wierd and nichetrendy garms they can their hands on and call next level ahaha
as a designer i would be disgusted knowing these people consume my product

>> No.7869811

>>7869801
THE COMMUNITIES THAT POPULATE BOTH BOTH HAVE COMPARABLY VILE CHARACTERISTICS BUT SZ HAS A MUCH MORE RICHER WEALTH OF INFORMATION AND OCCASIONAL MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION
SOMETHING SUFU DOESNT HAVE EVEN AFTER WADDING THROUGH PAGE AFTER PAGE OF UNFUNNY FORUM CULTURE

>> No.7869817

>>7869811
this nigga here gets it.

>> No.7869815

>>7869801
sz doesnt have a rep system so there is no possible way it can even be 1/10 the circlejerk

the posters on both sites are as catty as 16 year old girls and painfully unfunny but the discussion on sz is far better

sz > sufu

>> No.7869823

>>7869815
A CIRCLEJERK CAN STILL PERSIST WITHOUT A REPUTATION SYSTEM, THE POINTS ARE ETCHED IN THE HIPPOCAMPUS OPPOSED TO THE DIGITAL SPACE

CATTINESS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE INTERNET, IT'S AN INHERENT ASPECT OF HUMAN COMMUNAL INTERACTION

>> No.7869824

>>7869779
that fat asian kid had a good fit dude. stop having a cry over it.
I've liked your recent stuff too. and it got reps to show for it lol.
>>7869780
yea i saw that fit. gj

>> No.7869830

>>7869824
>>7869828
Link to fit pls

>> No.7869828

>>7869824
>fat asian kid fit
no he did not. It was fucking terrible, it was like a travesty. I nearly puked.

>> No.7869833

>>7869823
yeah it can exist but i dont find it does as much

sz members are more about banning each other, deleting posts, leaving the forum forever, fighting, crying on other forums, hatefulness, long winded name calling, etc.

whereas sufu members are more about cock stroking and upboats

>> No.7869835

ENTITIES THAT VALIDATE THERE EXISTENCE THROUGH DIGITAL PEACOCKING ARE A REALITY
CUT YOUR TEETH ON CRUDER SUBSTANCE BEFORE YOU BECOME A VICTIM

>> No.7869837

>>7869811
this is 100% wrong
you haven't delved into superfuture beyond the past 2 years
you haven't gone on a subforum other than supertrash
and you don't understand the dearth of information and images on superfuture, and the way in which it's changed the face of internet fashion
not that sz isn't great, and hasn't done the same in some regards
there have been tons of meaningful conversations on superfuture on so many subjects over the last 10 years, and tons of valuable information
sure it's not expressed in such an overwrought and word-heavy was as on sz
but superfuture is smart in its own way
>>7869815
it's an aesthetic and intellectual circlejerk, one that's put in place by reverence of the "pivotal' members (even people like Zamb) and their opinions, enforced by that petulant little teenager Faust and the magazine he established in order to further solidify his importance. This leads to the adoption of every designer championed as "the next big thing" they co-opt for their dark aesthetic (rick, carol christian poell, boris bidjan saberi, paul harnden)
i think "circlejerk" isn't as apt as "hivemind"

>> No.7869838

>>7869830
top of the thread

>> No.7869841

>>7869838
holy shit ahahahahahahahahahahaha

>> No.7869843

>>7869833
YOURE A MORON AND THERE IS NO INTERACTION WITH YOU I HAVE NOT REGRETTED

TRYING TO DIGEST/CONTEMPLATE/MAKE SENSE OF THE MENTAL POWER STRUGGLES ON FASHION FORUMS IS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THEYRE EMBEDDED IN LAYERS OF SOCIAL INSECURITIES

>> No.7869851

>>7869837
yes the forum is about rick ccp and m.a.+

what is wrong with that?

if you dont like those designers why go there?

should all forums discuss every single designer, or just cater to your specific tastes, or what?

like jesus thats szs thing, do u go on a muslim forum and complain that its a allah hivemind?

>> No.7869850

>>7868882
" oh hi Sufu do you rike my fit? Prease rike my fit a rot. I worked very hard to attain ultimate perfection fit. you rike? please rep'"

>> No.7869854

>>7869843
are u tl or twerk or someone else

u have a very similar posting style and ur opinions are all also the same as theirs from what ive seen

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>>7869828
>>7869830
my bad i thought we were talking about

>> No.7869869

>>7869864
damn, that's nice

>> No.7869870

>>7869854
He's not erratic enough to be twerk or personal enough to be tl
Have you not met all-caps-anon before?

>> No.7869871

>>7869864
i was wondering dude hahahah

>> No.7869878

>>7869837
YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG BECAUSE I'VE GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE DESIGNER ARCHIVE SECTION OF SUFU AND THE DISCUSSION THREADS
THE LITTLE THAT CAN BE GLEANED IS OFTEN VERY SUPERFICIAL AND DOESNT NOT ARTICULATE A SUBSTANTIAL OPINION RATHER REINTERPRETATING RELEVANT AN INTERVIEWS
I DONT GO ON SUPERTRASH
IMAGES ON SUPERFUTURE OUTSIDE OF THE WAYWATS ARE NOT COMPREHENSIVE, OR ORIGINAL, NOR DO THEY INSPIRE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF 'SICK FITS UPVOTE YOU'
IM HONESTLY IN AWE BY YOUR AUSTERITY, IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT PEOPLE TRY TO CREDIT THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT OF COMMUNICATION ON DIGITAL SPACE TO MINOR FASHION COMMUNITIES
THE FACT THAT YOU'RE USING 10 YEARS AS A TIME FRAME IS KIND OF TELLING, I'M SURE IF I REALLY TRIED I COULD ASSIMILATE A GOLD NUGGET OUT OF MY SHIT FROM THE PAST DECADE. WAS IT WORTH IT THOUGH?

SUPERFUTURE IS JUVENILLE IN EVERY SENSE, OCCASSIONALLY A REPUTABLE POSTER WILL DIVULGE ON SOME SUBJECT CLOSE TO THEIR HEART ONLY TO BE FOLLOWED BY A BARRAGE OF UPVOTING AND 'SICK POST BRO'
THEN AGAIN SUPERFUTURE NEVER CAPTIVATED ME IN CREATIVE SENSE SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO APPRECIATE

AT ANY RATE SZ PROVES A STRONGER VENUE FOR DISCUSSION ON EVERY LEVEL

>> No.7869879

>>7869870
yes i have seen his posts before

thats why i said "from what ive seen"

the things i saw were his other posts

hope this helps xo

>> No.7869877

>>7869851

"stylezeitgeist"

not "rick, ccp and ma+ forum"

its a perfectly legitimate complaint. why are you so fucking retarded?

>> No.7869881

>>7869864
>Miscommunication of the 'net
That's tight, I'd like to see some detail in a full-body shot though

>> No.7869882

>>7869864
you post this fit on sufu and watch as sufu people would not only rep this because he's asian, but it's also ironic and sufu loves that shit.

>> No.7869885

>>7869879
oh
I rarely read beyond the first line or so of any given post
Sorry bae

>> No.7869889

>>7869851
>what's wrong with that
the fact that it encourages this cultural hegemony enforced by the likes of faust where the few elite designers are adopted (paul harnden and boris for two), championed, we see a huge surge in popularity, and then... homogeneity
and it's only become more homogenous over time, before people used to wear a plethora of designers, even stuff outside the sz aesthetic, juya, balenciaga,comme, lanvin... now it's either fitting into the continues camp, the ccp camp, bbs, ph, ro, yy, julius (ironic cause superfuture is behind julius' success with a western audience), and maybe a select few brands
it's not about catering to anyone's specific tastes, that's what stylezeitgeist was now
what it was supposed to be was a forum about fashion discussion removed from "fashionistas" i.e the catty marc jacob girls that made fun of poor eugene, it was supposed to be an avenue for free and interesting though, and now it's what, a hivemind based around faust's personal sense of aesthetics?
it's supposed to be a fashion forum, not a rick, ccp and m.a+ forum, that's the problem.

>> No.7869890

>>7869871
yea lol. the one you posted of westside and that rand asian is awful
are you sure it's not like an old picture of him or somethin?

if u look through any of the early sufu posts in 2007 or around then they ALL look like complete shit

>> No.7869887

>>7869877
if you want a forum to discuss other designers make one yourself lmao

post whatever u want on sz i dont care

seems like a dumb idea tho why would you post on a forum full of ppl that dont share ur tastes?

tho when it comes down to it its fausts forum he can choose the aesthetic that is discussed, if u dont like it dont go there

ur complaint is pretty stupid tbh

>> No.7869895

>>7869882
that fit was posted on sufu

it was up boated

i dont see whats "ironic" about it tho

ill ignore the blatant misuse of irony because fuck having that discussion again

>> No.7869905

>>7869895
it's shitty tech wear by a chink. also link to said fit post so I can neg it?

>> No.7869902

>>7869882
wtf is ironic about it.
it was posted on sufu.
make sense please

>> No.7869915

>>7869889
THIS IS A GOOD POST.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT SZ CURRENTLY IS NOT GREAT FOR DISCUSSION (OR SUFU FOR THAT MATTER) BUT THE MATERIAL AND COUPLED CONVERSATION AVALIABLE ON SZ OUTMATCH THOSE ON SUFU (EVEN IF THE MORE INTERESTED CHARACTERS DELETED MANY OF THEIR POSTS).

>> No.7869920

>>7869889
>juya, balenciaga,comme, lanvin

lanvin ss14 is being discussed on there as we speak

cdg thread has over 400 replies

if u rlly want to make a thread about balenciaga uhhh go for it i guess

i dont rlly know who u are to dictate what the forum is "supposed" to be about

again if u dont like whats being discussed there quit bitching about it and find a forum u like instead?

>> No.7869938

>>7869920
DID YOU READ HIS POST?

THERE IS A STIGMATIZATION OF WHAT SOME CONSIDER "MAINSTREAM" LABELS ON STYLEZEITGEIST. GARCON IS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL DESIGNER IN THE PAST CENTURY IF NOT IN HISTORY, ITS BREADTH OF WORK ENCOMPASSES ALL AND MORE. A THREAD IS 400REPLIES FOR A EPOCH MAKING STUDIO IS PATHETIC
THERE IS A LOW KEY SOUR ATTITUDE BY THE "ELITE" OF THE FORUM WHENEVER THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION ESCAPES THERE CONFINEMENTS AND (GOD FORBID) FLOURISHES IN OTHER DISCUSSION NOT TO MENTION WAYWT EXHIBITION.

THE IRONY IS THAT WHILE TRYING TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS FORE RUNNERS IN FASHION CULTURE THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED IN STAGNATING THEMSELVES THROUGH THEIR IGNORANCE AND HOMOGENOUS BOARD CULTURE.
AN UNFORTUNATE TURN OF EVENTS FROM THE PROMISING BEGINNINGS OF THE FORUM.

>> No.7869943

>>7869938

u should start tripping allcaps anon i enjoy ur posts

>> No.7869948

>>7869938
>the forums narrow tastes do not coincide with my own

so find a different one?

im sure you can find other places to talk about comme des garcons

>> No.7869950

>>7869878
i can understand why you'd think the content on superfuture pales in comparison to that of stylezeitgeist
because you think a lot of the most important things about fashion is about ideology, motifs in their work, etc
which is important and can only really be approached from a dialectical perspective
but fashion is also about the tangible product, a garment that is hopefully well made, and looks cool
which is what superfuture is about, from raw denim to facetasm
and when i say they changed the face of internet fashion, i don't just mean communication, the way in which clothing is consumed and reaches consumers
keep in mind superfuture predates stylezeitgeist, though stylezeitgeist did admittedly help burgeon the fanbase of a lot of designers (bbs, paul harnden, carol christian poell, etc), superfuture did the same
superfuture is the real reason imported japanese denim and workwear began to pick up steam and is the reason you can get more niche brands like iron heart and kapital widely now because of the popularization of imported japanese denim (obv samurai and evisu existed before this, but superfuture really popularized niches outside japan)
furthermore brands like julius, diet butcher slim skin, facetasm, sasquatchfabrix, etc were all popularized on superfuture and that's really what led to them being somewhat available to a western audience
even western brands like patrik ervell and henrik vibskov received huge amounts of support from superfuture and certainly wouldn't be at the levels of popularity they are at today without
stores like h lorenzo and maas & stacks follow the blueprint of superfuture and the brands' discussions and waywts shaped the choices of tons of buyers, as opposed to stylezeitgeist who often followed in the steps of buyers at atelier (rip) and l'eclaireur (See paul harnden for the most recent example)
also popularized the use of rakuten and yahoo!auctions, but that's somewhat beside the point
>>7869920
i have superfuture

>> No.7869957

>>7869950
ok so you like the designers discussed on sufu better than the designers discussed on sz

and this of course makes sz shit

i see

>> No.7869958

>>7869948

>im sure you can find other places to talk about comme des garcons

unfortunately as amazing as cdg is it doesnt have that big of a cult following in the western market as it does in asia and i havent been able to find a single thread on cdg on like 5 big fashion forums where people actively discuss it

>> No.7869961

>>7869958
learn japanese then

>> No.7869968

>>7869961

fk u

>> No.7869979

sufu needs to die, it's as bad as /fa/ or SZ. Such boards become circlejerks/turn to total shit over time

>> No.7869977

>>7868855
Fuck sufu

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>>7869948
the problem is in this homogenization what was a very interesting idea for a forum went south because of the tyranny of it's creator pushing his own aesthetic vision, shaping the forum hands-on
whereas even on superfuture the moderators helped by shaping content and all have relatively different styles that have evolved over time, and are entrenched in the community (bill, ordo, mike)
>>7869957
are you saying ccp, m.a+, rick (hah!) and all the others aren't discussed on superfuture? they are
ppl like coldrice were wearing CCP in as early as 2006/2007
julius was popularized on superfuture by djraijo, who was one of the first, if not the first, to bring it outside of japan, even fuuma attests to that, before it was on SZ
the thing that makes sz shit is homogeneity as one of the things that makes sufu great is that it's far less strict in terms of aesthetics, everything from technical wear to gothninja to traditional streetwear to fruteswag to workwear, etc, etc, etc
superfuture is a far better place in terms of open-minded users and varied content
not saying SZ is bad, that's not been my point, i love SZ, i just think sufu is somewhat better and that everyone shitting on superfuture is wrong, it's a great site.

>> No.7869987

>>7869981
also superfuture isn't just great because of the fashion discussion, superjetset is an amazing resource, as is superculture

>> No.7869998

>>7869981
>are you saying ccp, m.a+, rick (hah!) and all the others aren't discussed on superfuture? they are

lolllll

sure theres threads that haven been bumped since like 2007

theres nowhere near the discussion or information on shit like thtat on sufu as there is on sz

>> No.7870003

>>7869948
I DID NOT IMPLY THAT.
I STATED THAT WHAT IT IS NOW IS FAR REMOVED FROM WHAT IT SET OUT TO BE AT ITS INCEPTION AND THAT IS UNFORTUNATE.

THE LIBRARY.

>>7869950
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY....
> fashion is also about the tangible product, a garment that is hopefully well made, and looks cool
I'M ASSUMING COMMUNAL CELEBRATION OF A ARTISTS PRODUCT
EVEN FROM A MORE ROMANTIC PERSPECTIVE FOR CELEBRATING THE PRODUCT SUPERFUTURE DOES NOT DO MOST JUSTICE (I WILL SAY THE "TECH-WEAR" THREADS ARE INTERESTING BUT IT ISN'T MY FORTE).
IM NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK LOOKS "COOL", MAYBE THE IMAGES DOCUMENTING IS EXHILARATING FOR SOME. TO ME IT SEEMS EMPTY AND WITHOUT CONTEXT UNLESS THE AUTHOR CAN PROVIDE SOMETHING ALONGSIDE TO EXPLAIN; IT DOES PROVIDE CONTENT FOR EDUCATION ON THE PRODUCT (AND THEREFORE THE PRODUCER) IN HOW I INTERPRET THE LABEL BUT THAT AGAIN, IS NOT SOMETHING I VALUE TOO HIGHLY.

>i don't just mean communication, the way in which clothing is consumed and reaches consumers
COMMUNICATION IS INVOLVED IN THIS, MANY OTHER FACETS ARE TOO AND I DON'T WANT TO DEDICATE THAT CONTRIBUTION OF A SOLE DISCUSSION BOARD WHEN MANY OTHERS WHICH A SIMILAR NATURE ALSO EXISTED AT THE TIME.

>real reason imported japanese denim and workwear began to pick up steam...
HARD TO REFUTE.
FOR A LONG TIME JAPAN HAS BEEN CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE FASHION INDUSTRY, REALLY FROM THE 1880S TO NOW JAPAN HAS REALLY MOTIVATED CREATIVE PEOPLE IN THE WESTERN WORLD AND IT HAD ONLY BECOME STRONGER AS TIME WENT ON
MAYBE THE NICHE DENIM LABELS WOULD NOT HAVE ENJOYED SO MUCH SUCCESS WITHOUT THE ADVENT OF SUPERFUTURE BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE PROJECTED FAILURE WITHOUT IT EITHER.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING.
OF COURSE MEDIA AN ATTENTION ALONG WITH INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATION WILL PROVIDE A AVENUE FOR CONSUMPTION BEYOND BORDERS. JULIUS'S CLOTHING PROJECT HAS EXISTED FROM 2004, REAL PRODUCTION AND OUTLET BEGAN IN 2005
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>> No.7870005

>>7870003
>not retyping quotes in caps

fkn dropd

>> No.7870015

>>7870003
this is definitely TL

>> No.7870023

>>7870015
yeah tl alter ego

weird cause he still posts normally with his trip sometimes

>> No.7870021

>>7870015
I'm beginning to think so to

Hi turny

>> No.7870026

>>7870021
>turny
the old guy?

>> No.7870029

>>7870026
Yeah, that fuckin' old Kiwi who couldn't grasp the concept of 'clarity'
>Still holds my fav. /fa/ quote of all time

>> No.7870035

>>7870003
IT HAS ENJOYED POPULARITY AMONG BOTH JAPANESE AND WESTERN AUDIENCE ( DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN ALL BE CREDITED TO THE WORKINGS OF SUFU)
I'M NOT SURE REALLY, I GUESS THOSE LABELS SUCCESSES WERE LARGELY DUE TO THE IMPACT OF INTERNET MEDIA (ESPECIALLY SUFU AND SZ)
DBS, FACETASM, SASQUATCHFABRIX I DON'T KNOW.

>shaped the choices of tons of buyers
I SEE THIS.

>stylezeitgeist who often followed in the steps of buyers
THIS IS LESS TRUE NOW AND IS NOT REALLY TRUE AT ALL. MANY OF THE EARLIER USERS EAGERLY STALKED AND DOCUMENTED THE CAREERS OF SPECIFIC HOUSES (CARPE DIEM, HELMUT LANG, CLOAK ETC) AND WHAT OTHER PRODUCERS THEY INSPIRIED BEYOND THE AVAILABILITY AT RETAILERS

THIS EXAMPLE OF PAUL HARNDER IS NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE
HE'S BEEN DOING HIS WORK FOR OVER 30YEARS AND MOVED THROUGH VERY SPECIFIC FACETS OF THE INDUSTRIES PUBLISHING IT. HE IS VERY REMOVED FROM THE INDUSTRY, TO THE POINT WHERE HE ALMOST DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ITS EXISTENCE AND INSISTS THAT HE IS JUST A HOBBYIST.
STYLEZEITGEIST OPINION (WHICH HAS FLUCTUATED INTENSIVELY OVER THE LAST DECADE) FOR HIS WORK IS THE VERY EXAMPLE OF LABEL FANBOYISM AND GLORIFICATION.

I THINK I'M MORE OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT SUFU HAD A IMPACT ON "the way in which clothing is consumed and reaches consumers" BUT I DON'T WANT TO DISCREDIT OTHER FORUMS OF MEDIA ON THE INTERNET FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS.
BUT MAYBE SUPERFUTURE WAS AVANT GARDE IN THIS SENSE

WHO ARE YOU?

>> No.7870040

>>7870029
oh, i was thinking of the old /mu/ trip

i like them both

>> No.7870041

>>7870035

>distaste for PH

hi turnleft

>> No.7870047

>>7869981
AT THE SAME TIME SUPERFUTURE'S COMMUNITY DOES NOT SEEK TO ELABORATE ON THEIR INTERESTS.
EVEN IF THE AESTHETIC APPRECIATION IS VARIED NO ONE SPENDS TIME TO FLESH OUT THEIR APPRECIATION.
IT'S PEACOCKING.

>> No.7870052

>>7869981
>>7870003
i enjoy this banter. pls trip both of u

>> No.7870059

>>7870041
INDICATING THAT THE COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING AN ARTIST ARE DISTASTEFUL DOES NOT MEAN THE ARTIST IN QUESTION IS DISTASTEFUL.

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>> No.7870099

>>7868855
yeah fuck sufu. God, those niggas wouldn't even let me in.

>> No.7870112

>>7870099
email them.
thats what i did when i wanted in.
but be aware they're tryna filter out /fa/ types

>> No.7870397

>>7870003
Yeah, like I said, I think I understand what you mean: you're someone with a more dialectical approach to fashion, whereas superfuture, though a forum, is almost close to an imageboard
i know the aphorism "a picture is worth a thousand words" might seem trite but to me it seems apt in reference to fashion, or at least to clothing. i think your mention of context is important. if you think about clothing design in a narrative sense, where designers translate ideas to the consumer through a show or a lookbook or whatever, which is why runway shows are still important, but at the same time you still end up with a garment. Whereas stylezeitgeist often seeks to clarify the narrative, to deconstruct and understand it, superfuture presents it in picture form, or worn as clothing, decontextualized or recontextualized. I understand that it may be lacking the discursive element of fashion, but it also presents clothing the way people want to interact it with: just as the object itself and its inherent attributes.
the techwear thread is a great example, the visvim thread another (though I dislike visvim) - if it makes sense, it's more about what the garment is made of, how it's made, how it's treated, and how all this benefits the end user (appreciation of the garment as a utilitarian object) - this kind of ties in to aesthetic appreciation, because at the end of the day, people want to look cool as well. whereas stylezeitgeist is more appreciation of the garment as an artistic work (let's not get into the argument about art vs fashion atm)
>>7870035
I understand that it does seem like Julius might have been viable in the western audience - it was popular in japan before being introduced in superfuture. long story short, djraijo (japanese user) was the first to bring to people's attention, and actually gave measurements/helped procure it for people - fuuma was one of the first people on any internet forum to buy julius, with raijo's help

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>>7870397
I know it seems like it has enjoyed success, and due to the relative ubiquity of the brand in internet circles, it seems hard to fathom, but for a period of time around the brand's conception, the only western attention for the brand could be almost directly attributed to superfuture, more accurately to djraijo
i guess the point about sz following the buyers was truest at the beginning - the site's aesthetic was highly influenced the Atelier style, and as the style grew from relatively skinny and severe to more flowing and refined, there was a change in the site's style as well, insofar as i can gather. perhaps it was more a correlationary thing due to the changes in consumer tastes, but due to how often faust praised Atelier and how intertwined it was with the site & its history at the time, i don't think it's 2 farfetched
will acquiese the point about praising specific designers, especially the continues family: interest in which seems to have tapered off sadly :(
you are wrong about paul harnden though
he may have an "industry sucks" attitude and a relatively substience-based business model, but he is definitely part of the fashion landscape - for the longest time, before l'eclaireur picked him i think and brought him to the larger world, the majority, if not almost all, the buyers of his work were fashion industry people he maintained a relationship with - galliano was a much publicized example, but also rei kawakubo - rei actually had paul make shoes for CdG for a period in time, and he is still stocked at Dover Street Market locations worldwide. honestly i find the anti-fashion rhetoric of paul and yohji a bit tiring, - yohji moreso, simply because of how deeply involved he is with the fashion system.
i definitely agree with you on the other point, the way in which faust and a select few of the sz elite (mike nouveau) began warming up to and expressing praise for harnden and the way in which interest exploded for him on sz is extremely transparent.

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7870463

>>7870443
I do think superfuture was avant-garde to some extent, at least for a western audience: bringing japanese trends, brands, styles, etc to a western audience, opening up channels of consumption, and being one of the first (predates SZ at least, eclipsed hypebeast around the same time of establishment, styleforum was completely different). i don't disagree that other forums of media contributed, but superfuture and the reverberations of superfuture culture heavily influenced the current internet fashion landscape.
like i said, not that stylezeitgeist didn't do the same, there are quite a few brands that are flourishing due to the exposure on sz

I am... just another anon.

>> No.7870465

>>7869943
He might as well be. It is easy to recognize him through his well written posts combined with the allcaps. Granted, I'd prefer if he'd trip like normal people and not use allcaps, but it doesn't really bother me that much.

>> No.7870473

>>7870463
>>7870443
>>7870397
sorry for the late responses btw i was out & about, only just got back

>>7870047
i don't think this is entirely true but at the same time i think this stems from a different interaction with fashion than on sz
>>7870052
i used 2 trip and it didn't work so well

>> No.7870586

Better community than here to be honest though

>> No.7870601

>>7870586
uh huh honey

>> No.7870609

>>7870601
Do you know who I am?? Deux?

>> No.7870616

>>7870609
Uh Huh Honey

>> No.7870639

>>7870473
nomad dude?
4got what ur new trip was

>> No.7870673

"Headline: Recently Unfrozen Caveman Shops at Thrift Store"

my lord hahahah

>> No.7870775

>>7870639
lmao tl and junior arguing w/ eachother on anon

fashion grudges are made of pure unfiltered autism

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>>7870775
lol thought so
p.entertaining thread

>> No.7870792

Paragraphs about irelevant garbage.

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junior confirmed devil

>> No.7870823

lmao

>> No.7870835

>>7870823
Lol I remember you saying 'Male Fascism Advice' when someone called Trunks a Neo Nazi or somehing, fucking funny

>> No.7870853

>>7870835
lol i got negged into the ground literally ~5 posts l8r
double 10-negged and single 5-negged

struggle

>> No.7870856

>>7870853
brbrbbr

>> No.7870862

>>7870673
yeah but trunks newest fit was the best fit on the whole page and has only like 22 reps, I bet there are some mad asian manlets on there that automatically neg every fit he posts

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also tfw not around during the sufu golden age in which bai posted in feels threads about punching doors

>> No.7870876

why doesn't /fa/ realise that their shitty sense of humour isn't universally funny? can't you realise that the people you share this forum with (equally retarded man baby teenagers who live with their parents) share your garbage sense of humour

yall try too hard with your 'raf semens rick simons' memes, that's the kind of shit you guys find funny god damn

>> No.7870886

>>7870876
mad sufu-drone detected
>you will never be taller than 5'5"

>> No.7870892

>>7870876
Well yeah no shit dude your on 4chan, the people here realize that their sense of humor is retarded to the norm/society so they come over here.

>> No.7870897

>>7870886

>you will never have friends

>> No.7871267

>>7870874
i wanna see ythat tee in madd layered fits but no one does itttt

>> No.7871270

>>7871267
damn necro woops

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7871274

Who the fuck deleted my message?
I enciphered a secret message in that. Fug, people, you are so insecure.

>> No.7871422

>>7871274
Why do you encrypt your messages on an image board? Sounds like you're just shitposting, which is why it was deleted.

>> No.7871455

>>7871422
Well, it was wall of symbols + "trunks is best" and "a person who reads this sucks nigger cock"
And I was sarcastically imitating that guy who posts in caps :^(

>> No.7871686

>>7871455
Sounds like shit posting, which should've been deleted eitherway. Though I have to say, trunks has really stepped up his game. Good on him.

>> No.7871693

>arguing about a forum for chinks

>> No.7871702

>>7871693
reducing it only to that
then again thats wht ur wee brain can handle

>> No.7871715
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7871715

Someone interpret this fit for me
I can not understand this at all, I can't even say it's a bad outfit.

>> No.7871750

>>7871715
shoes too dress
boring
jacket too puff
overall too matrix
ugly face buckles
4/10 would not wear

>> No.7871888

>>7869950
good post.

>> No.7872042

>>7871715
HAHAHAHA THET SHIT GOT 100+ VOTES

probably cuz he's been there forever and cuz that jacket is probably some mysterious Japanese brand

What a joke of a forum

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7872078

>>7871715
i liked this

the pointy shoes are silly but the rest is pretty cool

>> No.7872225

>>7870397
IF YOU APPRECIATE SUFU AS A SORT OF LOOKBOOK THEN IT HAS VALUE IN THAT SENSE, AGAIN; A CELEBRATION OF CLOTHING. THAT SEEMS LAZY TO ME AND IF A PLATFORMS ONLY WORTH STEMS FROM ITS ABILITY TO DISPLAY MATERIAL BUT NOT EXTRAPOLATE ANYTHING FROM IT THEN IT IS NOT WORTH MY TIME.
I CAN FIND BETTER VENUES FOR THIS, MAYBE IT'S AS YOU SAID IT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR BUT IT STILL DOES SEEM LAZY TO ME.

EVEN IF HARNDEN PRODUCES PRODUCTS FOR FASHION CONSUMERS IT (AND THAT TRAPS HIM INTO THE LANDSCAPE) THE PRODUCER HIMSELF DOES NOT CATAGORISE HIM AS PART OF IT AND RIGHTLY SO.
HE KEPT HIS PRODUCT TO A SMALL AUDIENCE AS IT COULD BE CAPARIOUSLY FOUNDED ON THAT LEVEL BUT AS EXPENSES GREW SO DID FINANCIAL PRESSURES. HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH L'ECLAIREUR WAS BROUGHT UPON WITH RELUCTANCE. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT WAS A FINANCIAL BURDEN FROM THE TIME THAT PERSUADED, IF FINANCES WERE NOT AN ISSUE HE WOULD NOT HAVE DISPLAYED BUT PRODUCERS NEED TO MAKE ADEQUATE PROFITS. PRODUCING OUT OF A RECLUSIVE LOCATION IN SCOTLAND AND SOURCING MATERIALS FROM A WOOL MILL HAS ITS COSTS. HIS CHOICE TO WORK WITH COMMES DES GARCON WAS OUT OF REVERENCE OF REI, I'VE READ THAT A CRUCIAL ELEMENT OF THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT HE WAS TO MEET REI DIRECTLY AND CO ORDINATE WITH HER. NO ONE WOULD DECLINE AN OFFER FROM CDG, AND WHY WOULD PAUL HARNDEN? COMMES DES GARCON IS NOT A TYPICAL FASHION HOUSE.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PERSONAL INTERACTION WITH PAUL HARNDEN ON STYLE ZEITGEIST, EVERYTHING FROM BAR SPRAWLS TO HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH DECADENT GRAMOPHONES. PAUL HARNDEN IF THE VERY DEFINITION OF A SELF IMPOSED OUTCAST IF THERE EVER WAS ONE, ONLY COMING OUT AT HIS OWN LEISURE BUT OTHERWISE REPULSING THE MASSES.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT PAUL HARNDEN IS PREACHING TO BEGIN WITH, HE'S NOT PREACHING ANYTHING REALLY JUST DOES NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED OR CELEBRATED BY THE WIDE EYED PUBLIC BUT ALSO TO MOVE AS HE PLEASES.

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>> No.7872233

>>7872225
fuck off back to unwoven you iraqi piece of shit

>> No.7872239

>>7869864
you cant even see the fit.

and that stupid chinese glasses! this kid is asksing to be punched.

>> No.7872307

>>7872225
I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED THE WHOLE SECOND PART, I WAS JUST DIGRESSING ON HARNDEN AND HIS CHOICES (FROM PUB SPRAWLS, DECADENT GRAMOPHONES, MEDIA HES PRODUCED WHERE CLOTHING PLAYS AMBIENT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBFigpj4orQ AND HIS LOOKBOOKS)

I THINK IT WAS
THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN YOHJI AND PAUL.
YOHJI IS ESCAPE.
PAUL IS CONFINEMENT.
DO YOUR READING, YOUR HISTORY IS LACKING.

>> No.7872357

>>7872042
he actually doesn't have many posts.
not every fit has to be slim fitting hedi slimane shit

>> No.7872433

>>7872357
Obviously not but that fit is so boring. No textures, no colors, ugly jacket, ugly pants, ugly shoes

>> No.7872509

>>7872433
i actually really like it. i don't think fits are too be judged like a checklist.

>> No.7872641

Stop hatin' guys. SUFU is a great place and trunks hatin' it because almost all his shitty fits got negget and all that jokes about treehouse, kek.

Here is a couple reasons why i like sufu:

1) Great 'official' threads, like Acronym, Arcteryx, Visvim, Urban techwear and etc.
2) Great waywat. Say no shit, because i see here 90% of all black uniqlo vans fits, how you guys even can judge?
3) Reputation is great. Because i sold few vis pieces with zero problems, everyone was nice and friendly. I just check rep before selling.
4) Awesome marketplace and community sale threads.
5) There lots of people that likes lots of different styles, so there is a bigger chance to get answer.

I'm not digging too deep, i don't visit forums like 'supertrash' because i'm not into forums at all, but i got there lots of good advices, inspiration and information overall.

/fa/ is better than sufu only in your wet dreams.

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http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/topic/125436-whats-wrong-with-your-body/

>> No.7872707

>>7872641

I agree.

Both /fa/ and Sufu are intensely elitist, but at least Sufu has the content to back it up. I actually really hesitate before posting and I've never made a thread, just because I know I'll get negg'd to death if I shitpost or try and talk out of my ass.

So what if Sufu is a circlejerk? They're WAYWT's are miles ahead of ours.

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>>7872670
>http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/topic/125436-whats-wrong-with-your-body/

BIG DIX!

i stole this thread from SF, found it pretty interesting. hopefully people aren't too self-conscious.

what parts of your body are out of proportion, overly big/small, or just awkward? how does this effect buying clothes?

myself:

- genus valgum ('knocked knees', they go inwards as opposed to outwards. not to be confused with the opposite which is bow legged. this was never picked up as a kid by my parents, and i only noticed it in the last year or so. its not super obvious, but you can tell if you pay attention to my legs. from various WAYWT posts i have spotted a few others have it too. am looking into possible surgery to get it fixed - if anyone else has experienced this, please drop me a pm.

- i was a US 10 in shoes until a year ago when they magically grew to a US 12. buying the same, new shoes all over again sucks.

- insanely broad shoulders. a 46 would fit me perfectly in all areas except the shoulders, which needs almost a 50. the problem with getting a jacket/coat in a 50 is that then the shoulders are okay, but everything else is way too wide or long.

- i'm 6'2 with a really long torso - most shirts are way too short on me. go up a size and you have the same problem as above.

- my left ear sticks out slightly more than the right - makes hats a no-no since it draws attention to them.

despite all this, i am somehow not a virgin or live under a bridge.

>> No.7872731

>>7872714
>- i'm 6'2 with a really long torso - most shirts are way too short on me. go up a size and you have the same problem as above.


Same. I've just started wearing my pants up on my fucking hips and wearing my medium shirts that are usually too short

>> No.7872735

>>7869864
lol this kid -10'd every single one of my posts because I did his once. and it was this exact fit. he's a little bitch

>> No.7872741

>>7871715
this is a great fit though.

>> No.7872750

>>7872714

>skinny FAT (just lost a bunch of weight doing cardio with no weight lifting - woops)
>some acne scars (actually not too bad, my face can just get red at times)
>5'11 borderline manlet
>one eye sometimes droops more than the other
>Vegeta peak
>slight underbite
>skinny girl arms
>broad shoulders/chest
>skin on my fingers peels off easily (I've always had this nervous tick where I just peel dead skin off of my fingers, so now, my skin comes off easily)
>lips get chapped like a mug in the winter
>stretch marks on belly (from losing/gaining/losing weight)
>baby face when I don't grow a beard/stubble
>bushy pubes (though they make for a nice solution to cold hands in the winter)

All that said I've never had problems getting girlfriends, and engaged now, and feel bretty gud with myself so idk.

>> No.7872760

>>7872714

theres no need to hate them /fa/ they have their insecurities just like you

>I hate my side profile. I feel like it isn't balanced.

>I'm fairly fit from chest up, and ass down, but I have them child bearing hips like Minou said. I have pretty fit legs, but wear a 36 waist, so usually have to tailor jeans and pants in on the leg.

>I have a mole next to my nose that's been there forever, and I always nick it when I shave, but I haven't taken the time to get it removed. Today might be the day.

>Other than those I'm pretty pleased with the rest of me.

http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/user/147277-okayokay/

'supergod' okayokay has wide hips and a mole on his back.
>My beer gut is about as big as it's gonna get and now that I'm at the beginning stage of love handles. Since I don't see myself quitting drinking/dieting anytime soon, and I don't exercise, my love handles are only going to get bigger.

I also have a bad knee, bad posture, fingers like ET, and a large head. I'm not concerned with any of these things besides my knee, however.

http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/user/146570-jonny/

jonny is a supermember and has the power to give 10 reps, be careful and show respect around jonny.

>> No.7872769

>>7872760
not superman

>> No.7872789

>>7872760
>Left foot is almost 1 size smaller than the right foot, 11-11.5 and 12.

>Fat thighs and ass

>6'5" but only like a 33.5" inseam, what the fuck. Torso way too long.

>Long nose

>Buck teeth that are yellowish from 16 years of smoking

>Too many moles on my back
http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/user/130045-wahwho11/

>> No.7872795

>>7872760

>people actually paying to be able to give more reps

w
t
f

do these guys have a life, why r they so dedicated to sufu culture

>> No.7872812

Who's your favourite Sufu posters?

>> No.7872825

>>7872795
>why r they so dedicated to sufu culture

probably because:

>My beer gut is about as big as it's gonna get and now that I'm at the beginning stage of love handles. Since I don't see myself quitting drinking/dieting anytime soon, and I don't exercise, my love handles are only going to get bigger.

>I'm fairly fit from chest up, and ass down, but I have them child bearing hips like Minou said. I have pretty fit legs, but wear a 36 waist.

>im filipino

>i have these whiskers that come out where people usually have their dimples

and other such ailments.

>> No.7872839

>post a fit
>some dude neg other fits, but didn't neg mine since i wasn't getting much rep
>2 dudes rep my fits
>suddenly that same dude now neg my rep

Seriously, what the fuck

>> No.7872851

>>7872839
Why you care about fucking green pixels? I neeged one mf and he negged all my posts, i had neg rep, but who cares, right?

>> No.7872953

only bad fits get negged, there is a hivemind though

some bullshit gets good rep but if a fit gets +100 rep it aint about circlejerk, it usually is a damn good fit

>> No.7872994

>>7872953
>only bad fits get negged

Hahahaha

>> No.7873000
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>>7872953
even when used correctly upboats are pretty dumb

sufus rep system is a total joke tho

these 2 fits on the same fucking page no less, do they lack self awareness this badly?

>> No.7873014

>>7873000
Maybe the one on the right is more entry level and they see something similar to it every day, I guess the left is more "unique", but it still looks like shit

>> No.7873019

>>7873000
why is the right one down voted? it's really nice

>> No.7873023

>>7873000
LOL that's so fucked up

>> No.7873021

>>7873000
It's because of how notorious Westside is on sufu

>> No.7873027

>>7873019
because geos are "forced" "affected" meme shoes (only when worn by posters they dont like tho)

also he didnt pose in front of brutalist architecture or a blank wall or take the pic with a 1000$ camera

>> No.7873029

>>7873019
Thanks anon, Sufu doesn't like me

>> No.7873034

>>7873029
neither do we, fuck off faggot

>> No.7873041

>>7873029
dude you same fag so much its rediculous

>> No.7873048

>>7868855
YES!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YES!

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>>7873041
If you insist

>> No.7873054

>>7873027
>also he didnt pose in front of brutalist architecture or a blank wall or take the pic with a 1000$ camera

#shotsfired @ alex

i agree tho

>> No.7873066
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7873066

>>7873000
trunks pls go

>> No.7873069

>>7873029
it's because your fit is lame dude.
sundance is generally not liked by sufu but even he got a fuckload of +rep recently for a good fit.

>> No.7873067

>>7872953
Contrary, 100+ fits usually get up votes that high because they've already been upvoted if yk what I mean. People just follow the trend of whichever direction the rep is going

>> No.7873079

>>7873066
That's a great fit and a lame joke

Sufu Asians are just like high school Asians ; they stick together, are really good at a certain thing (buying expensive clothes and learning about designers/getting good grades) and they aren't funny

>> No.7873088

>>7873000
left 1 got repped cuz it was funny
right one got negged cuz there's been dozens of fits just liek that one of sufu and they're tired of it

it dont deseve tht many negs to, buncha ppl 10-negged it cuz they lame-o's

pray4genghis

>> No.7873089

>>7873027
w2c brutalist architecture?

>> No.7873096

>>7873079
>That's a great fit
it literally isnt
0 hate for trunks but r u srs du

>> No.7873103

>>7873096
Great May have been an exaggeration, but it's really nice.

>> No.7873118

>>7873103
hat n cons make it not good tbh

i love u trunks dont hurt me

>> No.7873122

>>7873066
HNnng those cheekbones

>> No.7873140

>>7873096
>>7873118
nah dude ik it wasnt my best

cheap shit i could fuck up and a raincoat, i didnt wear nice shit that day

>> No.7873142

>>7873079
No mate, thats is not great fit (yeah joke is lame).

I'm hating anyone or anything, i don't care what you think about sufu or about trunks, but this is NOT A GREAT FIT.

>> No.7873148

>>7873118
I think hat is nice, though the cons look forced. To think I might pick up my own pair tomorrow. Is it a bad idea?

>> No.7873152

>>7873148
i would never buy them tbh
up 2 u

>> No.7873156

>>7873148
I think it's a good idea, the converse are really cool especially when they get a bit worn. Go for the cream color tho, the black look weird

>> No.7873160

>>7873140
ye i feel u

>> No.7873168

>>7873066
Trunks where'd you cop your flecktarn?

>> No.7873174

>>7873156
yah it's the cream high top I might buy

>> No.7873185 [DELETED] 

>>7873168
You can literally cop it anywhere. There's only one model. Just check ebay or whatever.

>> No.7873186

>>7873160
im getting a raincoat thatll go with more shit

yaaaaaaaaaa
>>7851518

>>7873148
go for it man, theyre way nicer irl than they are in pictures. dont spend a ton tho they are just cons

>> No.7873200

>>7873168
ebay u can get them tons of places tho

smalls are harder to find

>> No.7873204

>>7873186
chek ur sufu inbox

>> No.7873207

>>7873186
copping a fresh pair for like 140 bucks, good deal?

>> No.7873229

>>7873207
hell no

100 max

>> No.7873233

>>7873200
Are they all the same? Also I know you're 6'3, what size did you get?

>> No.7873242

>>7873233
gr19

which is a 42" x extra long

someone posted the sizing chart yesterday u could go on the archive for it

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7873264

>>7868855
I've posted a couple outfits, got a bunch of neg comments from dumb asian fuccbois but got good rep from actual members I would respect the opinions of, so I guess what I'm saying is, POST BETTER OUTFITS FAGGOT.

>> No.7873282

>>7873204
msgd u pls respond

>> No.7873291

i think that if you actually contribute, don't act like an idiot, and post dope fits, there's no reason for anyone to be rude to you/neg you.

i am of course omitting the dickish white visbros when i give that advice though. most of those dudes suck (though i guess after years of people asking for sizing info and shit it gets old).

also fuck junior

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>>7872225
This isn't necessarily true: like I said, he really has a subsistence-based business model.
but just because he doesn't consider himself a "fashion designer", that's what he does - he produces fashion, works in the fashion industry and sells to a base of fashion consumers. He's produced look-books, he obviously maintains a relationship with buyers and such - if anything, i think his decision to not sell online comes out of marketing itself: exclusivity + high price leads to snob effect and all. it's as much marketing as margiela not revealing his face to press was: yes, yes, it's to make the house "different" and all and to not detract from the clothes, but at the end of the day, it's about bringing attention to the house. paul harnden might be an eccentric and certainly a lot less avaricious than a lot of designers, but he's still part of the fashion landscape.
i haven't actually read about the reason he established the relationship with l'eclaireur though, is this from the interview you have? would be interested in reading it but w/ever
i'm sure you're right about the collaboration with comme des garçons, because who doesn't respect and admire rei? if even hiroki does, paul must. but like i said: what this means is he is definitely connected to the fashion world: yes comme is certainly not orthodox by most standards, but he has relationships with tons of designers [1/2]

you know, if it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and looks like a duck, but calls itself a water buffalo out of stubbornness, it's still probably a duck
>HE'S NOT PREACHING ANYTHING REALLY JUST DOES NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED OR CELEBRATED BY THE WIDE EYED PUBLIC BUT ALSO TO MOVE AS HE PLEASES.
Yes, the latter part is definitely true - he's a true individual and just wants to get on with his life, as he leads it. at least going off people's anecdotes - he definitely seems like a funny guy, basically telling his customers to fuck off (see that italian guy for example)

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>>7873532
that said i think you misunderstood me if you thought i was saying paul and yohji are similar. practically the only similarity, besides proprietary fabrics, that i mentioned, is the anti-fashion rhetoric both put forward despite being part of the fashion system. that's the only reason i brought yohji up, sorry if it was misleading.
honestly i've done a fair bit of reading, and i'd understand your reservations, but if you wouldn't mind sending me a few snippets of the full pauly h interview on unwoven ;)

>> No.7873686

>/fa/, of all places, calling other forums shit
sufu isn't that great, but come on now.

>> No.7873747

>>7868880

delete this thread genghis

>> No.7873773

>>7873051

proves nothin u eggmelon

>> No.7873800

>>7868882
it probably had an edgy, funny comment slapped on to it about current culture observations.

>> No.7873833

Hey Deux/Junior, a Malaysian girl cooked me Butter Prawns tonight for dinner. She said Malaysian food is a mix of Chinese food and Indian food, it was pretty good I enjoyed it

>> No.7873847

>>7873833
Uh that's not necessarily true, but kind of
malay cooking has its own culinary roots and all, as does the chinese and indian food that came here (that's the three main ethnic groups that compose malaysia), and they still have their own distinctions, but the styles all absorbed some of each other: malaysian-ised chinese food (most directly hainanese chinese food), indian food influenced malay food, etc, etc
but yeah it's all pretty great, and I love all three cuisine styles, glad you enjoyed it!

>> No.7873960

>>7873532
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH HERE, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HARNDEN'S BACKGROUND AND HIS WORK ARE ILL CONCEIVED.

I SHOULD HAVE JUST RE-TYPED OUT THE SECOND RESPONSE SINCE IT REMEDIES ALL THIS CRAP YOUR SPEWING FORTH

CAN'T BELIEVE YOU THREW THAT "EVEN IF HE SAYS..." SHIT ON ME.

HE HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLISH HIMSELF AS A PROMINENT ENTITY IN THE FASHION INDUSTRY BUT HAS DECLINED ALL OPPORTUNITY AND RESERVED HIMSELF TO PUBLISHING OUT OF A SMALL, ALMOST DEFUNCT WORKSHOP IN SCOTLAND, OPERATING WITH DECADENT FORMS OF FABRICATION AND INDUSTRY (THE WOOL MILL). ALL THESE FACETS SCREAM "PASSION PROJECT" AND NOT SOME FACADE TO REPRESENT HIMSELF AS A SOPHISTICATED ARTIST.
IF YOU'D HAVE READ THE S/T MAGAZINE ARTICLES AND LISTENED TO THE INTERVIEWS THIS WOULD BE CLEAR TO YOU BUT YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE IS REALLY VIVID.

"subsistence-based business model."
I DIDN'T DENY THAT, IN FACT I WAS THE ONE THAT APPLIED IT.

YOU DON'T KNOW HIS PRODUCTS WELL, HE PRODUCES SHORT FILMS, SHORT STORIES, POEMS, CLOTHING, SHOES, PAINTINGS, PHOTOGRAPHY-EVERYTHING. SO TRYING TO SHOEHORN HIM INTO "FASHION DESIGNER" IS NOT REALLY GIVING IT JUSTICE.
YES HE PRODUCES CLOTHES, YES HE HAS CONTACTS HE'S DEVELOPED FOR 30YEARS TO SELL THESE CLOTHES, YES PEOPLE PURCHASE HIS CLOTHING. ON TOP OF DONIG SO MUCH MORE. JUST BECAUSE COMMUNITIES YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH DONT APPRECIATE ANY OF HIS OTHER WORK DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST. HE PROBABLY JUST DOESN'T LIKE IDIOTS GLAMORISING HIM AS A FASHION DESIGNER COMPARABLE TO ELBAZ DUE TO SELLING A FEW WOOL SUITS.
THE CLOTHING PLAYS AMBIENT IN THE LOOK BOOKS, THEY'RE LESS ABOUT THE CLOTHING AND MORE ABOUT THE CONTEXT.
THE BUYER RELATION IS TO PRODUCE THAT SUBSISTENT BUSINESS MODEL; ONLY ENOUGH TO SUBSIST.

"i think his decision to not sell online comes out of marketing itself:"
YOURE DEFINITELY WRONG AND I KNOW YOURE PARROTING SOMEONE ELSES OPINION HERE BUT IF A RECLUSIVE ENGLISH MAN LIVING IN THE HIGHLANDS OF SCOTLAND WHILE SELLING...
[1/2]

>> No.7874009

>>7873960
TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE BEACH WHILE STROKING HIS DECADENT GRAMOPHONE, ESTABLISHES ELABORATE SHORT FILMS TO PRECEDENT HIS POLITICAL OPINIONS, MAINTAINS AND SUPPORTS ARCHAIC AND INEFFICIENT FORMS OF INDUSTRY, DOES NOT MAKE AN EFFORT TO COLLABORATE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY OR COMMUNICATE WITH HIS AUDIENCE ALL WHILE SELLING3000+ EURO SUITS AND YOU STILL THINK IT'S SOME SORT OF INSIPID FACADE THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE CAN CONVINCE YOU.
THIS MARGELIA COMPARISON IS NOT SUITABLE.
MARGELIA DIVORCED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT THE MESSAGE TO GET MIXED WITH THE SENDER.
HARNDEN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE RECEIVER OR THE MESSAGE AND WOULD RATHER JUST SEE UNMARKED CHEQUES STUFFED INTO HIS BANK ACCOUNT.

MAYBE HE DOES REPRESENT A FACET OF THE FASHION INDUSTRY BUT NOT IN THE WAY YOU UNDERSTAND IT AND CERTAINLY NOT IN A WAY THAT SEEKS TO EVOLVE OR GROW.

YOHJI IS NOT ANTI-FASHION
HARNDEN IS NOT ANTI FASHION
NEITHER HAVE EVER ACTED OR PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT SUGGEST THEY WANT TO PRODUCE SOMETHING AGAINST FASHION. OUTSIDE IT.

YOU REALLY HAVEN'T
THERE ARE HUGE GAPS IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE WHERE I KNOW YOUR EXTRAPOLATING WHERE NO DOCUMENTATION INDICATES.

>> No.7874031

>>7873960
>>7874009
ALL CAPS-chan confirmed for best trip, reks anons and doesn't afraid of anything

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>>7873960
i know he makes other things, and does other things, but that doesn't preclude him from being a fashion designer, he is a cobbler, a photographer and a filmmaker in addition to being a fashion designer. Gosha Rubchinskiy does art installations, photography, and film, that doesn't mean he isn't a fashion designer as well. same as Jun Takahashi, he's a photographer, a designer, makes music and furniture, etc.
i think i agree with what you're saying - what Harnden is doing is creating an aesthetic universe, like Takahashi does. But does this preclude him from being a fashion designer? i don't think so.
he isn't even necessarily a hobbyist - he might have this devotion to the fox bros mill but he is not merely reproducing old clothes for the sake of it, he's creating new patterns and new clothes. just like his films don't really resemble those during le fin de siècle or even 20 or 30 years down the line, his clothing exists in his own imagined universe, just like that of most designers do.

>YOHJI IS NOT ANTI-FASHION
>HARNDEN IS NOT ANTI FASHION
that is literally my point, nor are they outside fashion

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>>7874059
just re: the margiela comparison
margiela stated that he did not appear to the press or take photographs because he wanted to divorce the cerator from the creation
but at the same time he didn't show his face for the same reason some celebrity designer like thom browne does show his - it contributes to the brand image and is, in some way, marketing. perhaps not in the traditional sense but whatever.

if you accuse me of extrapolating far too much where little documentation exists (because lets face it, despite what you've said, i've looked a lot at Harnden's work and what's been written on it, and not that many resources exist), then i conversely accuse you of taking things far too readily, too readily accepting what the designer themselves say as the paramount truth, and i don't think it necessarily works like that

>> No.7874203

>>7874059
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD MAKE HIM A FASHION DESIGNER IS THAT HE SELLS CLOTHING
TO ME THAT DOESN'T SIGNIFY A FASHION DESIGNER, IT'S VERY MUCH A HOBBY AND NOT SOMETHING HE LOOKS TO MAKE A CAREER OUT OF.
"Harnden is doing is creating an aesthetic universe"
NO, HE'S NOT CREATING ANYTHING FOR ANYONE BUT HIMSELF - MAYBE YOU CAN COBBLE IT TOGETHER AND SAY, YES THIS IS HIS UNIVERSE BUT TO ME IT SEEMS AS AN IMPULSE TO CREATE.
JUNYA IS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE INDUSTRY ON EVERY LEVEL.

>that is literally my point
NO IT WASN'T, I'VE BEEN SAYING THEY'RE NOT AND YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THEY ARE

>nor are they outside fashion
THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE, YOU'RE POKING AROUND SYNTAX AND ARBITRARY DEFINITION AND SEEING THAT THERE ARE SOME FACETS OF THE FASHION INDUSTRY THEY ENTAIL AND THEN FABRICATING THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT ON THESE RUDIMENTARY ALIGNMENTS.
BOTH YOHJI AND PAUL BOTH USE THE INDUSTRY AS A VENUE TO DISPLAY THEIR WORK (YOHJI MORE SO THAN PAUL) BUT BOTH HAVE NEVER CONCERNED THEMSELVES WITH ADHERING TO THE POPULAR IDEA OF FASHION AS A CYCLICAL TREND OR HAVE PRODUCED WORK INDICATING CONFORMITY TO POPULAR BELIEF.
I WOULD CONSIDER YOHJI A FASHION DESIGNER BECAUSE OF HIS EDUCATION, BACKGROUND, DEDCATION TO THE INDUSTRY AND PRODUCT.
I WOULD NOT CONSIDER PAUL A FASHION DESIGNER BECAUSE HE'S ONLY GONE IN SO FAR TO THE INDUSTRY AS TO GET HIS WORK DISPLAYED INCOGNITO AT SPECIFIC RETAILERS, I REALLY BELIEVE THE LOOKBOOK WAS NOT INTENDED AS MEANS TO TRANSLATE TO BUYERS BUT HE JUST USED IT AS SUCH

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW BOTH APPROACH FASHION IN THEIR WORK THEN THEY SIMPLY DON'T, THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT AT ALL.

YOU REPEATED WHAT I SAID ABOUT MARGELIA...
"MARGELIA DIVORCED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT THE MESSAGE TO GET MIXED WITH THE SENDER."

>> No.7874215

>>7874203
THERE IS A LOT THAT DOES BUT YOU WON'T FIND IT THROUGH HIS CLOTHING.
I'VE CONSIDERED THIS FOR LONGER THAN YOU HAVE, I'VE GONE THROUGH THE STEPS OF THINKING THAT MAYBE THIS IS A HUGE MARKETING PLOY, I'VE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONVERSED WITH PAUL HARNDEN AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF HIM.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH DOCUMENTATION ON HIS CLOTHING, IT'S THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT THE CLOTHING IF THAT'S WHERE YOU CHOOSE TO LEARN ABOUT HIM.

NOT A LOT MORE TO SAY, I'M SATISFIED WITH MY OPINION.

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>>7873960
>>7874009

Only in /fa/ would someone this obnoxious not be shunned. Your posts read like a record skipping over the same bit ad infinitum.
>>7874031
learn how to spell properly dumdum

>> No.7874297

i think sz is the only decent one where you can see people discussing cool things

sufu and /fa/ are fucking awful

>> No.7874389
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>>7874203
what makes him a designer to me is the fact that rather than simply creating individual items of clothing or films for personal consumption and satisfaction, he's created his own aesthetic universe, one in which footwear and clothing plays a big part
in fact he was a cobbler for 25 years before making clothes, it was what supported him, and now his clothing is a continuation of this economic, not just personal, endeavour. the clothing relays the paul harnden "universe" if you will to the consumer, that's what makes it fashion design to me, as opposed to say someone like who makes cosplay costumes just for yourself: that is a hobbyist to me because it is simply for personal pleasure and is a non-economic endeavour. I suppose Harnden's photography and music is more like this because it seems to me to be the kind of personal escapism that he does for himself than his clothing. no doubt he is an individualist, and likes what he does, but i think it goes beyond a hobbyist at a stage like this.
have you heard harnden's music by the way? i know of the record label, but haven't been able to track anything down
I didn't say Junya, and I hope that's not who you thought I meant, I meant Jun Takahashi, of Undercover, and he's not, not really. All his personal exhibitions, his photography, his musical endeavours (TOKYO SEX PISTOLS) haven't been particularly capitalist. it comes from this desire to create as you say, but then again i don't think that precludes harnden, gosha or anyone from being a designer as well - i'm sure all creative people, from graphic designers to fashion designers to musicians, have an impulse to create.

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>>7874389
re: margiela i said
>margiela STATED that he did not appear to the press or take photographs because he wanted to divorce the cerator from the creation
>but at the same time he didn't show his face for the same reason some celebrity designer like thom browne does show his - it contributes to the brand image and is, in some way, marketing. perhaps not in the traditional sense but whatever.
it wasn't just repeating what you said
what you said is margiela's purported reasoning behind why he didn't show his face and really engage the press: what you neglected is the second, part which i said. that's the purported reasoning, which may be somewhat true, but it's also about adding mystique to the brand, it differentiates itself from the competition. margiela was still the figurehead of the company, he was the name, and he was seen as the creative force behind the label, even if he wasn't in reality. he never really had the anonymity say walmart or uniqlo did. or muji, to use a better example. yes i know that some creators for muji have divulged their identity, yohji included, but it was never as much of an issue and well after they had left the brand, for the most part. didn't influence people's perception of muji as a brand

>>7874215
but maybe you are correct about the marketing thing, i will readily admit i am drawing from other people's conclusions, and I'm not lucky enough to have talked to many people who have had or personally know people who have had contact with paul, save for one person.
so i totally understand why you say you're satisfied with your opinion.

either way i'd be interested in reading the (only existing) full interview, which i know is on your harddrive. so if you're feeling particularly generous, i'd appreciate you inboxing me it, or otherwise, my email is in the field

best regards!

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>>7874410
>mfw realizing a discussion about channels of internet communication and information and all it's possibilities just comes to another discussion about interpretations and merits of harnden's work
CURSE YOU FAUST!

>> No.7874425

>>7874419
>mfw my face is censored

>> No.7874438

>>7873019
because its boring as fuck

>> No.7874476

>>7868855
yes /fa/ is kinda shitty.

>> No.7874652

wtf never thought i'd take junior's side in an argument

fk off all caps du

>> No.7874677

harnden is literally a rick kids of instagram meme rn ahaha omg


except replace rich kids w/ middle aged men from a wierd goth internet forum and chinese kids spending daddys blood money money

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>>7874677
>chinese kids spending daddys blood money money
who is this other than noirain?
i mean she's a great example of what you mean, and what seems 2 be the typical harnden consumer at the moment, but w/ever
she's kinda cute
>>7874652
turnleft made some gr8 points 2 be fair, i think the preference between superfuture and stylezeitgiest is really.. personal preference and your personal engagement with fashion as well, either you like the dialetical approach or the pictoral approach, and one favors one whereas one favors the other. but there are still insightful posts on both and to dismiss either as bad is silly, it's just that superfuture comes under criticism a lot more.

>> No.7874728

>>7874721
i hope its not turnleft lol

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7874735

>>7874728
it's definitely turnleft
xoxo luv u turny

>> No.7874748

>>7874735
i'd be kinda miffed if it was but w/e

lel

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>>7874748
why? turnleft is insightful, i can't be the only one on the board who thinks so
the opinions, the knowledge, the cadence of his posts: it's beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's turnleft
either way it was a nice conversation and i enjoyed reading what he posted, and he definitely brought up a lot of good points

>> No.7874756

>>7874721
ive seen heaps of chink instagram flexers lately hashtagging it up with the harndog

if i ever see her irl while im loitering in my rick w/ my goth clique im making a note to spit noticeably in her direction

>> No.7874761

>>7874755
it has nothing to do w/ turnleft not being insightful lol
i like turnleft
this guy just seems weird

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>>7874756
more like
>sitting on bench outside after getting me jobseeker's allowance
>chink whore walks up in paul harnden
>she notices my vtb tee and my dreamboxes
>"are you wearing fakes"
>y-you tooo
>tfw no gf

anyway a paul harnden crew that's the crew 4 me

'cept i can't afford harnden
and i'd rather wear other things

>> No.7874770

>>7874765
I've seen that dude on the right's insta...

and the guy on the left is spotting an AP RO on his wrist. shiiiiit

and all that PH, when did those cunts hop on the bandwagon

>> No.7874778

>>7874755
also kinda off topic but its making me uncomfortable talking to someone posting pics of turnleft in suggestive poses

pls stop omg

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>>7874770
idk whenever bbs was in decline and ph became the hot new sz thing, so around 11~12?
the paul harnden bandwagon is pretty funny - i mean, i like his clothes and they can look decent, but at the same time, it's aesthetic appreciation only, they'd look awful on me, and they make almost everyone who wears them look comical at best
>>7874778
i have plenty of pics 2 post either way

>> No.7874797

>>7874765
nice try im a 6'3 135lbs male model draped in ann demeulemeester shut the fuck up nerd

>> No.7874807

>>7874788
Don't get me wrong, I love my PH civil war jacket and the whole aesthetic, though I incorporate it into my Ann D and Yohji wardrobe as opposed to the other way around.

Ive only notice this huge surge in the last 6 months. Must be the whole huge price tag and exlcusiveness.

Gotta say, the Chinese are ruining the higher end of fashion with their bandwagon hopping.

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>>7874807
r u the guy on superfuture whose pants i can't afford?
civil war jacket? the artists jacket (pic related) or a different model? perhaps the shoulder button jacket
see >>7869889 i guess, it's just faust and the other members of the sz elite championing harnden as the next big thing after their tastes changed (faust at first even said he felt little connection to/ couldn't wear paul's work)

>> No.7874850

>Tfw aware of Harnden but recently decide to look into his work
>Fucking clothes being made using fucking 100 year old machines
>Holy fuck that's cool as fuck
>Legitimately like the way his clothing looks
>Find out that it's a huge nouveau riche trend right now

Well fuck, I'm still going to save up for a jacket or blazer but dang I guess exclusivity really draws the tasteless in, just look at CCP

>> No.7874855

>>7874807

This is the first time I've read of someone on /fa/ w/ Harnden and Yohji, are u me

You sound cool and I would love to see a fit from you

>> No.7874854

>>7873089
russian suburb

>> No.7874862
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>>7874855
i have yohji but no harnden
>>7874850
there are some really cool curved PH pants i found on sufu (from a guy on here i think) for like $300, you should get them if you're a 28~30
also look on ebay and yahoo!japan for a blazer, they go more for around 600~700, the lowest i've seen them go is $510, but still better than on SZ.
>>7874807
is it this jacket or >>7874822 or s/t else?
mind posting some pics?

>> No.7874917

>>7874822
>>7874862
it's the long version of the classic PH jacket with peak lapels.

>>7874855
I've been here for a long while. Don't really feel the need to be posting fits just yet.

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>>7874917
oh, that's what's referred to as the long blazer, for future reference
nice!

>> No.7874968

>>7874850
if ur purchases are rlly affected by "trends" confined to niche internet communites i just feel sorry for you tbh

>> No.7875013

>>7874009

>NEITHER HAVE EVER ACTED OR PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT SUGGEST THEY WANT TO PRODUCE SOMETHING AGAINST FASHION. OUTSIDE IT.

I would strongly disagree re: Yohji, but I am interested in why you would say this given that you know alot about these designers, would appreciate a response.

For me, Fashion implies trend, and to be Fashionable implies a following of a consensus. Around his debut his work was definitely "Anti" fashion in that it went against the established standards of body - conscious silhouettes. He was not consciously trying to go against the norm, I am not even sure if he was aware of what the "norm" was - the work he produced that was influenced by his background just happened to be different.

But afterwards he has definitely gone against the mainstream - he has said many times again that he hates fashion, and tries to produce "outsider" clothing (which eventually was melted down and incorporated into the mainstream as "normal"). He has gone against social and gender norms established in fashion - if this isn't "anti" fashion, then I don't know what is.

>> No.7875041

fuck sufu

>> No.7875047

>>7874968

Lol is this sarcasm / a joke? Because that perfectly describes you, and I never said it was affecting my purchases, just that it was a bit of a downer

>> No.7875057

>>7875047
projection

zzz

>> No.7875081

>>7875057

I think it's YOU projecting your previous cringeworthy mistakes and behavior on other people who you think are doing the same, lately you're always on a rampage to tell people off yet you were the same before, you're allowed to make mistakes and others aren't?

Whatever, you'll just act like you don't take yourself or the internet seriously so don't bother responding

>> No.7875136

>>7870003
STOP TYPING LIKE A FAGGOT!

>> No.7875211
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>>7875013
YOHJI IS NOT ANTI FASHION.
ANTI FASHION IMPLIES THAT AN ENTITY OPERATES TO DISSOLVE FASHION.
YOHJI OPERATES COMMERCIALLY WITHIN THE FASHION INDUSTRY BUT CONCEPTUALLY WITHIN HIS OWN WORLD (OUTSIDE).
THIS IS WHY IT IS SEEN AS OUTSIDER FASHION, HAVEN FOR THOSE WHO ARE TIRED OF CYCLICAL REGURGITATION OF THE EXISTING.

"Around his debut his work was definitely "Anti" fashion in that it went against the established standards of body - conscious silhouettes."
I DON'T THINK HIS WORK WAS EVER CONCERNED WITH THE EXISTING IDEAS OF FASHION. IT CANNOT BE ANTI-FASHION WITHOUT FIRST ACKNOWLEDGING FASHION.
HE OPERATED IN ALL THE SAME INDUSTRIAL CIRCUITS (PHOTOGRAPHY, EDITORIALS, RUNWAY, FASHION WEEK, FABRICATION, MATERIAL SOURCING) AS ANY OTHER BUSINESS WOULD.

"He was not consciously trying to go against the norm, I am not even..."
THIS CONCLUDES IT NICELY.

"he has definitely gone against the mainstream"
THAT'S NOT TRUE. AGAINST MAINSTREAM IMPLIES AND ACTIVE EFFORT TO DISTURB THE STREAM, YOHJI WAS NEVER CONCERNED WITH THE STREAM AND FELT DISILLUSIONED BY WHAT IT OFFERED; SETTING UP HIS OWN STREAM OUTSIDE AND NOT CONFLICTING WITH THE EXISTING.
OUTSIDER DOES NOT MEAN REBEL

"He has gone against social and gender norms established in fashion"
I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE PERCEIVED IT AS BREAKING SOCIAL BINARIES AND ACTING AGAINST WHAT YOU THINK FASHION AT TH TIME REPRESENTED I DON'T THINK YOHJI AT ANY POINT ACTED IN A WAY TO DEFY THE EXISTING BUT RATHER PURPOSED AN ESCAPE FROM IT BY ESTABLISHING THIS ALTERNATE AESTHETIC UNIVERSE.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT AW96, AW98 AND SS99 WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE VERY BLUNT ATTACKS POPULAR SOCIAL CULTURE AND PERCEPTION BUT I DON'T THINK THESE ATTACKS ARE ESTABLISHED IN RESPECT TO FASHION.
I'VE ALWAYS INTERPRETED THEM AS CRITIQUES POINTING FUN AT NONSENSICAL PARADIGMS CONTEMPORARY SOCIETIES SEEK TO ENFORCE, ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD BUT TO A MUCH MORE RIGOROUS EXTENT IN JAPAN.

>> No.7875400

>>7870874
>iktf
Please post on a fashion forum once more Bai-kyun ;_;

>> No.7875415

>>7875211

Really interesting way to look at it, I think what I said makes sense but what you are saying also makes just as much sense - I guess it's just how you look at what "anti" fashion really is

>> No.7875419

>>7875211
>>7875415

Thanks for the response btw - and just curious, who is a designer that would constitute "anti" fashion for you?

>> No.7875425

>>7875211
Johnny Trox?

>> No.7875428

>>7875211
anti-fashion means anti-trend not anti-clothing

>> No.7875472

>>7873000
The one on the left is a joke fit from a popular "OG" poster who's been known for doing such shenanigans and not taking waywt seriously.

The one on the right looks like he stepped out of an /fa/ meme lookbook with b/w geos and some shitty all black outfit composed using whatever spare change he could scrap together after purchasing his shoes. I should know, I've been there.

>> No.7875488

>>7875472
sufu kid detected

>> No.7875554

>>7874968
Honestly dude do you have no self-awareness?

>> No.7875587
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>>7875488
Trunks for fucks sake, WHY DO YOU MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABASHEDLY DRESSED BY THE NET EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE EPITOME OF EVERYTHING WRONG WITH RABID CONSUMERISM OF HIGH FASHION. I mean look at what you buy and how fast you put it up on a bst. I certainly hope it's out of self-disgust. Jokes on you at the end of the day for wasting your money :^)

>> No.7875632

>>7870112
how do I email them? Apparently my account is now a member, but i still don't have permission to view the forum now. wtf.

>> No.7875665

>>7870616
boooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnddd

>> No.7876077

I keep wanting to yell at trunks thag hes just mad cuz they hate him on sufu but he's making some good points. They are circle jerky in their waywt, I would go so far as to say more circle jerky than ours, but maybe not.

>> No.7876098

>>7873000
People dress like that shit on the left all the time when they try to do entry level goof and it's gotten way to played out. That's why it is negd. besides westy is unneggable now... no matter what he does he's untouchable.

>> No.7877304

>>7875632
try this http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php?app=nexus&module=support&section=new

>> No.7879291

>>7877304
great now I got a error #2000, still don't have permission to view their supertalk. wtf is going on

>> No.7879310

>>7876098
>westy is unneggable now... no matter what he does he's untouchable.

thats why sufu is bullshit

nothing to do with ur fit just ur little e-persona uve built up nerding around on internet forums for 5 years straight

>> No.7879319

>>7879310
rep don't matter that much for joke fits n shit
west is rllly chill i've been in the chat w/ him, u'd prolly like him lol

>> No.7879463

>sufu hate thread
>it has to do with rep and/or supertrash

every time

if you just filter out these two things sufu is great

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>>7873027
teddy only wears geos and he gets repped, why doesnt genghis then