/fa/ - Fashion

he's an insufferable douche and a hack with no technical skillset.

>>7563048
He lacks subtlety. Any man who designed for Gucci automatically sucks anyway.

>>7563066
>turned Gucci from practically bankrupt to one of the biggest houses
>no skillset

lol yeah whatever

>>7563048
He's all right I guess, but most of his stuff is not for me.

>>7563072
did u kno that plokhov werqed 4 versace

>>7563048
>his clothes aren't only "#menswear" since most of /fa/ seems to dislike that in general

/fa/ only dislikes badly executed menswear.

Agree with twerk and gira.

he's not a bad designer, not my taste however

>>7563066
This

http://youtu.be/-F_ZKfgRcbY

The man doesn't understand working class aesthetic at ALL.

DAT FUCKING VOICE THO

W2C

What's Tom Ford's aesthetic exactly? By looking at his website, I can see that it's not really understated, evocative of Gucci somewhat (but devoid of branding). What is TF aiming for?

>>7563116
saleability. he exists for a market of men who have a lot of disposable income but no personal vision, who would probably just shop at zara if they didn't feel compelled to spend a certain minimum amount on their clothing. another way you might put it is that his customer is a man who wants to buy "fashion" but is kind of a pussy about it.

>>7563130
Why 'no personal vision'? His clothes don't seem to be devoid of personality, his style is pretty recognizable. Could you elaborate?

What, to you, would be the most relevant name in classic/relatively conservative menswear?

>>7563130
lol what a faggot, what you say is irrelevant

>he doesn't make "innovative" unwearable layers of black fabric, therefore he must be a talentless hack

Stop basing your opinions on what the /fa/ hivemind told you to base your opinions on, you have no knowledge of anything whatsoever

>>7563158
can you differentiate between one season and another of tom ford? can you tell me what changes beyond the precise width of the lapel, the style of the pocket, and the fabric selection? there's no personality there, any more than there is personality on the racks of express; and in fact, they're using precisely the same design model, merely targeting different market segments.

>What, to you, would be the most relevant name in classic/relatively conservative menswear?

honestly? take it to saville row, because they can work within the dialect in a way that luxury design can never touch, because even the luxury price point does not support using $200/yard fabric and sewing to together with gold filament. what fashion can offer is really novel, conceptual, game-changing design season after season in a way that saville row could never touch. tom ford is a red herring at best, for people whose sartorial priorities are a little bit misplaced.

>>7563195
lol

>>7563215
The fact that you mention Savile Row as some kind of end game of menswear tells me you have no clue at all
>$200/yard fabric and sewing to together with gold filament
If that's what bespoke suiting means to you, then you seem to not have understood the point.

Menswear doesn't mean bespoke, not necessarily.

Where did actually knowledgeable people like anorak go
He would've certainly disagreed with me but not by raising such terrible arguments
>lol
your lack of knowledge is laughable

>>7563246
lol
the "take the classic shit to savile" was actually a mutual conclusion reached during a discussion about this topic with anorak. designer fashion without any design to speak of is just farcical.

>>7563215
>can you differentiate between one season and another

"Classic" menswear, as the guy you answered to said, means very little place for innovation.

Tom Ford doesn't have the freedom to innovate the same way Rick, Raf, Jil, Dries or whatever do, because he's not creating a new aesthetic. He's merely taking classic menswear designs and putting in personal style, as someone else pointed out by saying his collections are similar to Gucci's.

>designer fashion without any design to speak of
I don't think fashion is just about the kind of innovation you're talking about.
Not necessarily everyone wants to make bespoke services their only suiting options, even if they can afford it. Bespoke might be the highest quality you can encounter but it lacks personality and the fact that it is tailored exactly to one's specifications makes it laughably tasteless sometimes, as there's no designer behind it to actually put some thought into the garment's personality or whatever you might call it.

If you buy a suit from Tom Ford, you're not necessarily doing it because you're clueless or because you lack style; the man doesn't have any "design to speak of", I agree on that point, but only if you compare him to people he shouldn't be compared to anyway. He's creating a special kind of aesthetic that you wouldn't be able to replicate using a bespoke service. Same thing for Thom Browne.
As for other classic garments, such as overcoats, jackets or knits, it's the exact same thing. If you just want quality and will opt for nothing else, just buy shit from Loro Piana or take the time to do it bespoke (although dressing exclusively bespoke, especially sweaters and shit, would be autistic).

TF offers a very high level of quality (albeit not on the same level as bespoke) to which he adds a personal view of menswear. It's not a "style" per se, and thus I understand why you'd think he's a hack, but it's not useless either.

>>7563261
RIP ANorak

>>7563246
you're ignoring all the perfectly legitimate points he made about tom ford imo

>>7563293
Thom Browne is very innovative, Tom Ford isn't

>>7563293
this makes sense he is just making classic shit for people who want classic shit

but that doesnt really make him much of a designer and puts him up there with mall teir shit, but high quality

>>7563315
ford = hilfiger for rich gosling fuccbois

>>7563315
Tom Ford is, actually, pretty innovative, it's just not obvious enough for you guys. It's not nxtlvl shit sure, but he is creating his own aesthetic, part alpha-male, part homosexual. If you saw the movie he directed, you'd understand his vision.

>>7563335
>Tom Ford is, actually, pretty innovative,

>>7563335
he many be "innovative" but by no means is he innovative for a designer.

sure he makes a few changes and has a small vision, but it is nothing compared to designers with actual vision

>>7563215
>can you differentiate between one season and another
not talking about ford, but do you really have to be able to differentiate between seasons?

rick himself admitted that he is just gonna be doing the same thing for the rest of his life
you can still tell the diffrence between seasons but yeah

>>7563356
>raf
>actual vision

>>7563296
Where did he go?

>>7563297
>perfectly legitimate points
Not the guy you answered to.
I disagree with twerk when he says stuff like Tom Ford is talentless/meant for rich people with no taste/whatever. I think there's more to the brand than that, as I said above.

I agree when he says that Ford might not have the same relevance as other designers I mentioned, because the latter put out innovative or avant garde designs whilst TF takes menswear and personalizes it in some way.

>>7563310
Innovation can mean several things.
TB is innovative with his boxy silhouette, cropped trousers, and other things (I'm honestly not very knowledgeable nor familiar with Thommy's stuff), so he basically revolutionized menswear with another take to it. Tom Ford doesn't do the same thing, as he doesn't reinvent menswear but as I said above personalizes it and adds to it some personal view that Savile Row (or any other bespoke suiting service for that matter) would not be able to create.

I'd agree if you said Ford wasn't AS innovative. He's not revolutionizing design by CREATING a new take to it (well he did revolutionize Gucci but not in a way /fa/ would appreciate), he's merely taking a preexisting style and making it different, adding to it or perhaps transforming it into something that fits his personal view of what menswear should be.

>>7563315
>doesn't make him much of a designer
I disagree. A designer doesn't have to be extremely avant garde or next level to be legitimate. Ford has a somewhat recognizable style when it comes to the market he's operating on (high end suiting and menswear).
He actually is very similar to Gucci, albeit not gaudy but definitely provocative. >>7563335 said it.

>>7563324
Now that's just misinformed.

>>7563345
>>7563356
I said it previously, innovation is subjective.
It has nothing to do with his vision being small, I think he's established a pretty recognizable style and overall atmosphere with his garments...

Cont.

>>7563366
oh kk srry i thought u were the same guy

im not anti tom ford i just felt the guy was ignoring fair points

>>7563365
You don't like raf?

>>7563365
>you
>actually shitposting

>>7563365
he definitely had a vision dude
he changed a lot but yeah

i dont know much about fashion so illuminate me pls though
you only seem to like rick and ccp

>>7563345
>>7563356
>he's established a pretty recognizable style and overall atmosphere with his garments...

... But he's nowhere as groundbreaking as Boris, Carol Christian Poell, Rick, Sruli, etc when it comes to textures and especially, experimentation.

Tom Ford doesn't experiment, he doesn't try to create a new path for fashion or to change it. As he said in the interview OP posted, there will come a time when he'll be completely irrelevant, but right now, he's doing one thing only: taking menswear, and modifying it so it fits his vision of clothing and of what men/women's style should be like. That's pretty obvious too when you look at his sometimes obscene marketing campaigns, and he also talks about it in his interviews. He's not breaking the rules, he's playing by them. He knows exactly what society's standards are (exacerbated sexuality, flashiness...) and he makes his garments reflect that in a way he deems elegant. I'm not sure if I'm being understandable.

>>7563359
rick has made massive evolutionary leaps since the beginning of his career. i don't think you really appreciate what the man can do. even when doing block work rick can make fundamental structural changes to the garment that result in something totally new. tom ford is literally expanding and shrinking lapels season to season while touching nothing else. it's a highly effective cure for insomnia.

>>7563365
raf has been consistently good and he has a definite vision. the odd failure between him and his crew notwithstanding.

>>7563366
>I disagree with twerk when he says stuff like Tom Ford is talentless

tom ford doesn't know how to make clothes, he only knows how to build a marketable label around the work of his assistants.

>adds to it some personal view that Savile Row (or any other bespoke suiting service for that matter) would not be able to create.

who's personal view? his own? who cares? what value does his vision have?

>>7563390
yeah i think that is what the dude is trying to say

he isnt creating anything new, but that isnt necessarily bad

the problem is when people consider him to be as good as those dudes you mentioned

>>7563382
not particularly

>>7563385
ik its rare

>>7563386
>had
operative word
i find him thematically uninteresting and i think his shows are boring, i can't illuminate anything lol i just think he makes dull shitty clothes

>>7563401
the problem is people think that designers that are innovative in quantity are better (like Rick who creates just a whole bunch of new shit, his own world you could say) but really I think qualitative innovations, that can be subtle, are what we should look for in designers (ie. McQueen's bumsters).

>>7563429
rick's reappropriation of the pivot sleeve is a lot more interesting than mcqueen's slashing of the trouser block.

>>7563441
>reappropriation of the pivot sleeve
how did he do this?

>>7563398
>the odd failure between him and his crew notwithstanding.
what r u referring to?

>>7563442
stole it from dancewear.

>>7563447
first and third couture show at dior lmao

>>7563441
well mcqueen is dead so....

>>7563463
yeha no i dont understand how he changed the sleeve

like what is diffrent about it?

>>7563398
>doesn't know how to make clothes
Oh you mean in the technical sense? Indeed, he's not a skilled tailor, but is it necessary? Judging by his success with Gucci and Yves Saint Laurent, no. That's talking in terms of marketing, of course, he's definitely very skilled when it comes to that.
That's also why I said he wasn't groundbreaking like Rick or CCP with textures and materials. He can't be and doesn't need to, for menswear doesn't require (and is actually the opposite of) such kind of innovative work.

I could put it like this: Rick, CCP, Boris, Raf and others are the ones who make fashion a type of artistic expression. Tom Ford doesn't at all, his work enhances the individual instead of making the wearer a showcase for the clothing. He's basically the opposite of the former, which is why I think they can't be compared.

>his own? who cares? what value does his vision have?
Sorry, but I think you're just disregarding my whole point. Maybe I'm wrong but you seem to think the only "true" and legitimate designers are the likes of Rick Owens, which as I said are like the antithesis of TF.

His personal view doesn't bring in a completely new way of thinking fashion, it builds a different style while basing itself on a preexisting, classic take of men's clothing.

>>7563401
>as good as those dudes you mentioned
They can't be compared, as I said. And for reasons I already mentioned.

Anyway I hope I made some kind of point, I'm just saying that Tom Ford shouldn't be disregarded simply because he doesn't revolutionize fashion with avant-garde, outstandingly innovative textures and cuts.

Well he did revolutionize menswear from a marketing point but that's irrelevant to the discussion - I'm just saying that he's relevant as he brings a personal view of menswear into play that might be interesting to some individuals. That's all.

>>7563398
>tom ford doesn't know how to make clothes, he only knows how to build a marketable label around the work of his assistants.

you can criticise raf for the exact same thing no?

>>7563485
stop sucking tom fords dick
he is a bad designer and his clothes are not worth their price tag

>>7563504
that sweater is so sick

>>7563505
What an educated opinion
That totally proved everything I said to be wrong. Good job, sure showed me

>>7563471
the undersleeve extends into the side body with an incorporated gusset panel, which allows the sleeve to cut incredibly slim without sacrificing the wearer's range of motion; it also helps to prevent the hem from lifting when the wearer lifts their arms.

>>7563485
>but is it necessary?

if not, then he needs to cultivate genuine talent and let them work. that's how rei operates, and that's why cdg is among the most important labels of this era in fashion, because it's pumping out genuine innovation and routinely changing the landscape of the fashion world. ford can't touch that, he can never touch that.

> Tom Ford doesn't at all, his work enhances the individual instead of making the wearer a showcase for the clothing.

i find this insulting tbh, as if one type of design somehow compromises the wearer's identity and somehow tom ford celebrates it. horseshit. tom ford shits on your identity, he demands that you become a fruity dude bro. there's no room in the ford universe for *you*. this is totally at odds with rick's wholly inclusive universe.

>Sorry, but I think you're just disregarding my whole point.

no, your point is that the value of ford is the vision that he brings to the table. i'm asking you what the intrinsic value of that vision is, and you're dodging.

>They can't be compared, as I said.

sure they can, this whole thread has been comparing them. rick and carol have extensive technical backgrounds that give them the vocabulary to be genuinely innovative, they can fundamentally change their clothing as much as they want to because they have the skill to do so. raf doesn't know how to do so himself, but he knows how to bring in people who do and he's usually pretty good at working with them to realize his vision. tom ford can't even rise to raf's level, and that's why i've called him a hack.

add to this the misogyny and the plain shitty character and it's incredibly easy to dismiss him. i am very comfortable with my choice in dismissing him.

>>7563514
*tips fedora

>>7563504
Say what you want about Raf but you can't shoehorn his designs the same way you can with all the other (I hate to say it but i'm tired and can't be bothered to put this another way) "goth ninja" favourites. Not that they are all identical and not to take away of their merit but it's something worth thinking about. I'm not implying Raf is a more competent or experimental designer by any definition of the words but you have to admit he has had a consistent vision and artistic ideology that he's stuck with since day one and that is something you have to respect when it comes to a designer.
A love to create and eschew is one thing but if it lacks a heart and soul then what is there to look at other than a technological marvel?
Something to think about.

since I hate all the " WOW WHERE TO COP " " AMAZING FITS BRAH" threads on /fa/ and their general fashion sense it might be no surprise that I like Tom Ford.
His glasses are really rad. Probably gonna get the better ray-ban version he mad

>>7563553
raf isn't goth ninja at all what the fuck are you on about

>>7563553
im not trying to shoehorn his designs

i think his vision (#youth subcultures, trad menswear and alternative presentations of masculinity) is uninteresting and as far as im concerned if he never produced another collection i wouldnt really care

anyone mildly talented can have a coherent, consistent vision and generate work which fits under their personal umbrella, and i think there are plenty of designers that do this better than raf, that's all there is to it

i'm not trying to say nobody else should enjoy his output, just that i don't see the merit everybody else seems to

Give me some ideas for some quick essays i could write finish by today

>>7563566
...... Exactly my point?
Was talking about the aforementioned Rick , CCP , Boris etc
>>7563570
I'm not trying to force you to like him. I don't like Rick but I can see why others would , just trying to offer a slightly different perspective.
Understanding and appreciating is the only way to learn and love , is it not?

>>7563570
dude look at the pics you posted

you cant say those are not rad

>>7563578
yea and i've acknowledged that there is continuity in his work, i just dont rly see it as admirable as you i guess

ik ur not trying to force me to like him

>>7563075
>basing your opinion on what sells the most to the masses

>>7563588
I guess I can just relate to his thoughts and reflections.
Wanna tell us all why you love Rick?

lord digimon wasn't worth your time or effort in 2013 and he certainly isn't in 2014

>>7563525
>let them work
That's what he does. He lets them work and then alters the result for it to fit his taste.
Also there's something pretty important which I'm sure you'll call me out for but I think it's one of the things that makes Tom Ford hard to be compared to the other designers mentioned: the majority of what he makes is not meant to be visually revolutionary.
By that I mean that you won't usually find a lot of stuff in his collections that you couldn't wear easily; of course he puts out things like huge fur coats and shit sometimes, but the idea is that he's essentially making very wearable menswear, but differently. Wearing Tom Ford would be appropriate anywhere; and contrary to what most of /fa/ seems to believe, wearing Carol or Rick wouldn't be appropriate in a lot of situations.

By appropriate I mean socially, and that's important too. Tom Ford, with his clothes, doesn't disregard the social perception aspect, unlike Rick/Carol/etc which don't make that a priority at all. This makes TF much more appealing to tasteless rich people, for sure, but that's always going to happen when you make an easily wearable luxury product.

>i find this insulting
I didn't mean it as "the clothes make the wearer secondary", but it takes more skill to successfully wear a full CCP outfit without letting it "take over", than a full Tom Ford outfit.
I don't think Tom Ford shits on your identity, that's a matter of perception though. He does create some kind of uniform atmosphere which will be perceived through his clothes when you wear them, but in my opinion, that allows for more freedom of expression than when you wear Rick or CCP, because those, at least to the eyes of people who don't necessarily know this particular style, are much more unusual and less versatile.

>>7563603
bc he makes clothes i love 2 look at and wear and hes cute af

>>7563584
idk sending out some guys in loads of milsurp w/ ur label inside isnt that rad imo

>>7563609
on a scale of 1 to 10 how mad r u at hedi

>>7563609
thanks for reminding me timbaland

>>7563611
you're defending a hack designer on the basis that "not everyone has to be as good as rick!" seriously, read your posts
i don't even care anymore
im going to go have SEX with my GIRLFRIEND haha bye nerd

oh wait one thing

>Wearing Tom Ford would be appropriate anywhere

i would fire my employees and kick guests out of my party if they showed up in tom ford

ok bye nerd

>>7563638
i thought you were gay

>>7563525
Cont.

>fruity dude bro
This entirely depends on your personality. And it's not necessarily the case either. But the wearer's mannerisms and personality play a big role. I personally couldn't wear anything Rick or CCP apart from basics, and even then I'd look pretty retarded. Tom Ford would suit me much better, objectively (that is, if you want to compare the two).

The value of Ford is the vision that he brings to the table, just like any other designer. That vision may be either extremely recognizable, rooted in a specific, new way of considering fashion (Thom Browne, Rick Owens, Sruli Recht) or much more understated.

>misogyny
What? In his marketing campaigns you mean?
>plain shitty character
I find him pretty smooth but whatever.

>>7563638
Now you're clearly not willing to understand anymore and you're just talking shit, I'm tired of it too so whatever I won't even answer to the rest.

Stay close minded, I guess.

>>7563638
You don't have a girlfriend, you freak.

>>7563626
WE GET IT, YOU'RE A GOTHNINJA TRENDHOPPER NOW. JUST ADMIT IT.

>>7563626
why would i be mad at hedi?

>>7563130
He's not as bland and middle market as you're making him out to be.

He has definite pattern of preferences. Large peak lapels. A lot of focus on emphasizing shoulders and chest.

To me, there's a real big 'macho-man' element in everything he does, which sets it apart from a lot of 'dandy' menswear.

I really like his eye-wear.

>>7563683
all those tumblr posts?

>>7563672
sorry i dislike a designer you like lol i bet everything you do sets the bar higher and higher

>there is a measure of talent
lel

>>7563571
how i donged yr mum
100 page intro of how small her dick is

>>7563725
>scale of measuring talent

>>7563712
i made one post, then someone asked me to explain my opinion, then i did, and the rest of the posts were calm discussion between peers. i'm not sure why you would assume that anyone was upset; just sharing opinions. i wish more people had gotten involved. that sort of thing is a much better use for that tumblr than insipid photoblog tbh

>>7563759
i didnt assume anyone was upset lol i was referring 2 ur hedi #ethers dw and yes tumblr is fun 4 discussion

>>7563774
you said he was mad in ur first post u dum

>>7563794
i was j-just joking

>>7563626
wow m8u dont mind writing how much raf sucks and ur critiques of him yet all u can say about rik is
> clothes i love 2 look at and wear and hes cute af

can up tinman or shine on

>>7563797
You're actually starting to become the internet's (4chan's) pseudo intellectuals personified. Do you not have the ability to think for yourself?

>>7563759
whats your tumblr?

>>7563797
hedi is so cute

>>7563813

Though Twerk It can be obnoxious he's actually well versed when it comes to garment construction and history.

Tinfoil's "education" is based completely off tumblr

>>7563811
dont rly feel the need 2 defend my interests tbh

>>7563813
idk how u reached that conclusion from my post but w/e u already have plenty of preconceptions that youll use whatever i post to validate so im just gnna skirt around that

out of interest how did you decided i was a 'pseudo-intellectual' from my gently teasing another poster on 4chan?

>>7563859
>implying i claim to be educated
>implying i use tumblr to learn about clothes
>implying im doing anything but sharing some opinions
>being so stupid that you interpret anyone that thinks differently to you as someone that needs to be quelled and insulted

>>7563712
you've been continually embarrassing yourself in this thread, don't you think it's time to stop now?

>>7563859
Exactly. He hasn't ever made anything , been to a fashion show , studied fashion in the slightest and still tries to put on this façade of someone who has actually done the aforementioned. Disgusting.

>>7563894
*decide
im 2 tired 4 fighting but im sure gnna try (︺︹︺)

tom ford gets by on brand name alone. go for lanvin or belvest or kitone or bespoked if you're going to do formal. come on.

>>7563895
tbh if you think i can actually feel embarrassed because of a post i made on an anime imageboard ur a weird dude

>>7563896
>you need to make clothes, go to runway shows and study fashion to have an opinion
sorry we havent studied rhetoric and aristotelian logic so you have to stop debating now

>>7563894
ure not defending; i wasnt attacking ur interests it struck me that u were able to shoot down raf so quickly (even tho u didnt present many valid points imo) yet when i asked aboot rick u relegated to really simplistic points that r near childish.then again it suffices 4 u that u just like to look at his clothes but "he's qt" doesn't make a case for his work for anyone
idk why u defensive breh

*clicks solar red airmaxes and flies*

>>7563896
The biggest offender from my point of view is that he can't substantiate his positive or negative opinions of fashion works and yet he still tries to participate in a discussion. Ultimately I hope he realizes he's bringing nothing to the table.
It's a lame way to act, but hopefully he'll realize that by himself.

>>7563929
>shoot down raf
i told one or two dudes why i dont enjoy his work

>valid points
are my reasons for disliking a designer 'invalid' now?

my 'simplistic points' about rick are honest; i like his clothes, im also not trying to make a case for his work. once again, im telling an individual poster (you in this case) why i like or dislike what i like or dislike

>>7563952
fair enough
by valid i meant referencing to his history and tech skill set but im not talking about tinfoil just part of ur reasoning i didnt get.
have a good night

>>7563926
i'm not talking about that guy's post, i'm talking about your way to act (you're still doing it now)
if you tried to butt in a conversation like you've done here irl you would be permanently red from shame... or something like that

>>7563926
The point is that your opinion is not your own and is that of someone who has actually done the above and as such lets it hold some intellectual weight to it.
Not that you parroting such an opinion invalidates the thought processes that developed it but you're basically that kid in the playground who just agrees with whatever the cool kids say.
>B-but I like Rick Owen's clothes due to all the reasons Timber , Twerk and User state and they know what they're talking about so surely I do too!
>inb4 w-well how do you know that I didn't come to that opinion due to my own merit!

>>7563963
yea he has no formal training in garment construction, thats all i was saying, he did industrial design

gnight

>>7563950
i feel like my point were substantial enough

i didnt just say HES SHIT IF U DONT KNOW WHY IM NOT TELLING i just gave a few reasons why i dont enjoy what he does

but if you fundementally disagree with what i think theres nothing to stop you crying 'no substance' every time i post and theres no way 4 me 2 change ur mind so

circles

anyway i think this is enough tinfoil bashing, maybe the tread should be rerailed or mourned

>>7563981
yes i pretend rick owens solely because twerk it likes his work

every fibre of my being rejects those stupid goth clothes but i spend my money buying them and my time looking at them because twerk it does

>>7563978
you're kind of lamenting the entire way 4chan works

sorry i was impolite in an internet discussion lmao

>>7564008
*pretend to enjoy rick owens

its srsly tough 2 debate w/ 8 anons at once im fuelled on tomatoes alone atm

>>7563048
>that fucking game
I didn't get the sign but lold

>>7563066

Here we go again

Dick Owens biggest fan guaranteed to have the first and last posts in a TF thread

Do I need to educate your stupid ass again?

>>7563087

>working class
>desirable in any way shape or form

top pleb

>>7564008
so just because it's the internet you think it's ok to be a clueless ass? really you're most likely the same irl
anyway it's time to let the ball drop and go home for both of us

>>7564025
go for it!

>>7564008
YEAH THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING TINFOIL. WELL DONE , YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE READING COMPREHENSION AND I HOPE YOUR GLORIOUS LITERARY ANALYSIS SKILLS GET PASSED DOWN TO YOUR LANKY KIDS.

>>7564039

Just tell me something:

Have you ever worn, owned, or even handled a TF garment?

Just curious.

>>7564080
sure!

>>7563814
humalien.tumblr.com

>>7564036
I'm not saying that working class is desirable. In the case of that video, the man want's to own a construction company. Your going to look like a total tool if you dress like that guy after Tom gave him a makeover and work in construction.

Tom Ford is too mainstream. /fa/ prefers the obscure. /fa/ is just a reflection of the stupid counterculture.

>>7564563

If you want to own the company then it's probably best you DON'T dress and look like another one of the workers.

Just saying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auTyup0aksg

>typical /fa/ goofninja gets a legit makeover by TF

lel