/fa/ - Fashion

can't speak to question 1
Unless you are intending on developing your own film, just get a DSLR, or even a common digital camera.

look up Leica M

Get an Olympus Om-1

>>7390667
35mm film - $13.95 2 rolls
27 shots (est) per roll
$15.95 to develop 1 roll
prints are $1.25 EACH

benefits: full frame for less than $100

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mid range DSLR: Nikon d90
negatives: cost, APS-C sensor, only lasts about 30-40k actuations if cleaned and maintained properly, decent price ~2000 with lens, cf card and body

benefits: hundreds of thousands of shots, instant feedback, filters in camera, auto focus widely available, canon had af aval on some lenses. not full frame, but can take 1080P video

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prosumer:

negatives: cost?
positivies:
hundreds of thousands of actuations and still ticks, remote picture taking, range of worlds best glass. full frame, shots can be tweaked for vogue level shots

The fuck do you care if your camera is fa
A neat trick is to grab an entry level girl canon rebel tourist camera thing. You'll blend in. get the shots.

On topic, from experience I'll tell you film is more expensive to use. You might be better off using a digital to practice your shit pictures until you're more confident.

Colors look better in film, film also has more dynamic range (more detail in the shadows, more detail in highlights)

Depending on the film you use, 35mm is very similar to a crop sensor dslr and is a little under pro level dslr in terms of image quality. Digital is catching up though.

You could eventually move up to medium format / large format. Bigger negative == more detail.

>>7390742
>crop sensor dslr
Shit, I meant 'entry level dslr'

>>7390667
my cheap cameras

nikon d90 i have had for 5+ years
canon 1100D my ex left behind, when i gave her, a canon 5d MKII last year for xmas...used as a beater. meaning take ebay pics with it, 4chan time stamps etc to keep the d90 actuations low

not pictured, all of my film SLR's that are sitting in a junk drawer

>>7390667


It helps to restrict yourself to no-auto, no editing and basic controls as your learning. Keeps the distraction to a minimum so you can master the basics. Build quality on older SLRs and lenses is wonderful too...

I shot on a pentax Spotmatic F for years while I was learning. Shot pretty much exclusively on fuji superia 400. Also the radioactive element in my 40 year old takumar lens had yellowed slightly which combined with the superia 400 made for a neat look.
But at a certain point, it just becomes limiting. The moment you feel like your equipment is holding you back, it's time to upgrade. And not necessarily to a DSLR... mirrorless interchangable lens is the way of the future IMO. Who the fuck wants to lug around a prism? They've even got full-frame mirrorless cameras out now with high res digital viewfinders. I see less and less of a point in the outdated prism design.

Of course I still have my spotmatic, and I still shoot with it sometimes. Generally not on superia tho. I'm not shooting film often so I don't need to cheap out on the film. Do portraits with kodak portra 160 now.

>>7390667
Nikon DF

Apparently nikon finally decided to step on board the retro bandwagon that's been going around and made their own DSLR that looks like an old Nikon SLR.

I think modern SLRs look horrendous, not like it matters if you're a professional but if you're just an /fa/ fuccboi than the DF seems like it would be suiting.

>>7390789
For me it's not about the looks, its more about how it feels in the hand and little things like having metal control knobs.

Sony Alpha NEX-7/9 kicks any full frame DSLR's ass
and for cheaper than most entry level DSLR's with a kit lens +bag

that and you can stick it in your jacket pocket

>>7390818
Never liked the ergonomics of the NEX series. Don't like the choices for glass either.

>i need a camera from my parents for Christmas and i thought a film camera would be cooler and less touristy but idk.

Hey fuck you

>>7390839
they're working on getting a whole range of zeiss opitical, and some leica

nikon has what that j1 piece of shit at target with nikkor glass?

go to /p/ fagget

>>7390703
seconced

I shoot film for fun/art and use my phone when traveling. its a pretty good combo. a point and shoot is so shit quality and the phone you need anyway its a good trade.

I got my SLR for 30$ and it works great. kijiji and thrift shops nigga

>>7390857
Yeah I know. Thing is -- I can already get leica glass on olympus/panasonic micro4/3 system.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/768816-REG/Panasonic_H_X025_Leica_DG_Summilux_25.html

And some really quality all-metal olympus-branded prime lenses.


If I was going full frame mirrorless from sony I wouldn't go NEX though -- I'd go Alpha 7. Better build quality, better ergonomics and controls, a hot shoe.


Not that I have 2 grand to spend on a camera kit.

I don't. Therefore.... disregard bodies; acquire glass.

>tfw my first and only camera is a metallic red mirrorless
>tfw hate being seen with it

get an x100s

>>7391034
sell it on ebay

>always wanted tro try photography
>buy entry-level DSLR 2 months ago
>take some snaps in the house with kit lens
>rather good
>bought carry case so I can go out and take pictures
>have yet to leave the house with it

>>7391067
go big or go home

>>7390667
film if you're just going to place them around your apartment to look pretty. digital if you're actually going to use it

>>7391101
Quit being such an assburger and just go out n shoot.

>>7391101
y-yeah. Maybe I'll go out tomorrow in some dadcore so I don't look out of place.

>>7391180
>>7391134
I mean to quote this fucker.

Most /fa/ film cameras general

Leica M
Olympus OM
Pentax MX, LX
Canon QL17
Polaroid SX70
Ricoh GR

Most /fa/ digital cameras

Leica M (dadcore)
Fuji X100
Sony RX1
Pentax K3 w Limited glass (techninja)
Canon 5dIII w L glass
Ricoh GR

>>7391218
the only fa film camera is a hasselblad 500cm
all other film cameras are dentist core

digital leica m isn't fashionable either

>>7391218
>Ricoh GR
muh nugga

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9935181366/high-end-pocketable-compacts-2013-roundup/3
I ordered this baby myself yesterday. Large penis extenders aren't really my thing, so I went for pocket size and efficiency in sleekness.

>not dressing up like Kenny
lol /fa/, do you even /p/?

>>7391218
you forgot Panasonic GM1

srsly just look at this badass motherfucker

>are film cameras more fa than dslrs?
I don't even
>Are the results better?
If you know what you're doing the results are about equal.

>>7390728
Those prices are ridiculous. A single roll of basic color negative film, developing, and scanning shouldn't be more than $15 total.

Nikon D40 is actually the most /fa/ medium format camera.
Even more fashionable if you have six of them.

>>7391362
I honestly believe that ken rockwell has some kind of debilitating mental illness.

I quite emphatically do NOT support his ever-growing family.

>>7391362
Oh hey I have those same shoes

>>7391351
ken rockwell is an institution, but i want to be critical and edgy about him. i dont know anything about him or his reviews, so i'll just settle for calling him a pleb

>>7391438
where did anyone call ken a pleb? but he dresses like a doofus, that is undeniable

We should really ask Tyler the Creator what camera he uses because otherwise how are we going to know what will make us all hip and cool and fashionable?

>>7391475
He is a pleb he makes money off of refer real links and takes shit photos

>>7391438
>>7391475
>>7391507

Hey guys, /p/ here, let me help you see the truth...

http://www.kenrockwell.com/analprobe/dissent.htm

>>7391538
http://www.kenrockwell.com/ri/WhereDoBabiesComeFrom.htm

>>7391553
Oh jesus, he's completely fucking bonkers isn't he? I knew he was a shyster and a bad photographer giving bad advice, but I had no idea of the extent of his crazy

>>7391553
>Oral Contraceptives have been invented by scientists to prevent babies from happening if daddy puts his wee-wee in mommy's mouth. There are no anal contraceptives yet
That part was kinda funny

>>7391483
Tyler the Creator literally does not give a shit.He wears whatever the fuck he wants, and no one will question it.

I shoot on the Nikon FA. When I got into photography I couldn't afford a DSLR (I still cant). So I stuck with film. I buy cheap film in bulk and cut/roll my own film. It comes to like $0.45 a roll. Develop with cheap chemicals and use a scanner to scan my negatives. If I want physical copies of my photos I just use snapfish or target or something for like $0.10/picture

>>7391579
You know what's sad though
This fuck lives in SoCal is married....meaning that he has more game than I do.

Fml

I was "competing" in the same dating pool as this fuck wearing designer clothes and lost

>>7391483
are you implying tyler the creator is at all cool and fashionable? or are you joking?

>>7390728
35mm film - 3$/roll, cheaper if bulk
37-40 shots per roll
2$ to develop 1 C-41 roll
5$ for scans

Benefits: full frame for 50$ (for the camera + first roll). better dynamic range than digital, better black and white, a lot of cheap but identical in performance lenses.

TL;DR: Your math is just like your aesthetic; fucked up.

>>7391646
>2013
>not understanding sarcasm

smh

>>7391614

Tyler is a shit-head with a massive over-inflated ego.

>>7391688
>not realizing sarcasm is hard to recognize indefinitely on the internet
>especially with how inarticulate you are

>>7391684
>You can develop B&W for pretty much nothing with Diafine which is a reusable chemical. I bought a $60 epson scanner on ebay and scan my own negatives. So that brings the cost down pretty much only to film. Which you can buy aound 100ft of for $35.

>>7391732
>misspelling Genghis Khan
>giving me and the other anon shit for our writing

smh

>>7391760
i chose to spell it this way fuccboi

>>7391769
>calling me fuccboi
>been tripping for about 2 weeks

smh

>>7391778
but ive been anon since 2010 so...

>>7391769
trash this trip and then don't make another one.

>>7391357

>micro 4/3

Most /fa/ Micro 4/3 cameras would be

Olympus EP-5 (OG OMD)
Olympus Pen 5
Panasonic GX7

so out of all the digital cameras listed what would be the best entry level one?

>>7391786
lol no.
I've been here since 2007 and haven't seen you.

>>7392019
canon t3i
i got my best friends little brother one when he wanted to get into photography for his birthday and its honestly a pretty good camera from what i hear from him and other friends who are actually semi-experienced photographers

>>7391614

>Tyler the Creator literally does not give a shit.He wears whatever the fuck he wants, and no one will question it.

>>7392019
All entry level dslrs are pretty similar and can produce great images. Canon is fine

>>7391684
Ae1s don't go for under $50 working

Leica m series don't dip under 1k

Cheapest way to get film is walgreens forever camera but have pay to develop first roll to get next roll so...nope

>>7392040
Disagree
For evidence scroll up to my cameras

Get a d7000 or mirror less

Or buy my camera off of me I can't give this thing away with a stack of 100s

>>7392040
One big advantage of a standard entry nikannon rabal whatever is that things like VSCO have presets specifically tailored to those cameras.

So software like that looks better straight out of the box./

Disadvantage is crappy kit lens.


If I were getting a new entry DSLR I'd get a used body only and buy some good glass.

Consider the glass and investment in the system and and body as just something to use while you're learning. Go full frame further down the road if you get serious and use the same lenses.

These makes great cameras to take to parties. Although auto focus would help so a Stylus Epic would be better suited to that or a GR if you want to spend more.

>>7391786

did you ever play warcraft?

>>7392948

every time i see collections of pictures from XA's or Miu's they're generally all taken during the day and i read in reviews flash/lowlight pictures don't come out well generally.

Confirm/deny?

if so, fixes?

>>7392705
They sell entry level bodies individually. Just most people don't buy them that way it's only $20-50'difference and you can sell the kit lens


While the Ef/Ef-s mounting brackets are the same you run into functionality issues with the sensor size difference

You're better off with low end for low end body like a tamaron or sigma off brand then selling it all as a kit to some soccer mom wanting to play photog for her blog or Pinterest

Then buying the prosumer Nikon/ brand name lenses

>>7393009
We'll look at it

Flash aimed directly at subject.....

Low light is usually were lower end cameras cut development costs

>>7393009
If you want low light go digital.

Lower noise at higher ISO than the ammount of grain you'll get at the same ISO on film.

Pair it with a fast lens and stabilization and you can do low light handheld. No joke. Wasn't even possible with film

You are all wrong! 8x10 camera is the way to go.

>>7393009
They look like your standard low light party shots. Flat flash and grain.
It could be the film too. I usually shoot 100-400 speed film so ymmv when using higher ISOs.

>>7391351
I hate this fucker so much
>just shoot in JPEG like me, I get it right every time!
fuck you you faggot fuck kenny

>mfw i have OPs camera

film photography is fun

>>7393141
I gave one as a gift to a friend. They're great cameras to learn on and if it breaks you can find bodies for like $30.

>>7391620
looks pretty fa to me