/fa/ - Fashion

I really like BLK DNM Pima cotton tees. Wasn't a big fan of Wang, haven't worn the Acne.

>>7136398
How are they? They looked kind of thin, which I don't like. They're a bit cheaper too, around $65.

>>7136388

Acne is roomy, but doesn't have a pronounced drape; T by Wang is noticeably slouchier, though it's not a HUGE difference. If you want even more slouch, try the slub rayon-blends that Wang does instead.

>>7136388
>paying 80$ for a t shirt
>being this retarded

nice b8 post

>>7136418

Okay.

>>7136398

I'm of the opposite opinion. I actually find the BLK DNM pima doesn't have enough drape and ease. It's a great fabric, but I don't like how "clean" and "new" the BLK DNM ones feel. Also, the drape isn't as easy. Granted, if you want a more classic tee fit, I think they're great for that.

>>7136418
Why are you on /fa/? lol

>>7136428

Yeah I like the classic fit, and the new feel. I iron em after every wash to keep that new feel. Definitely not a layering or draped kind of piece though - just a good basic tee.

>>7136428
What size would you recommend for Wang? I'm 5'7", tfw manlet :(

>>7136615

XS or S, either one would probably be okay depending on how much drape you want. You can always buy both and send one back.

>>7136615
5'7" 140 manlet reporting

xs fits perfectly :)

theres a brand at sear that start s a cor i think. try them before blowing all that moneys

>>7136649
Does it still have some drape to it, or is it fitted? Thanks.

>>7136772

drape

i just got some acne limit tees today, they're really nice but the white one is kinda sheer, still wearable though

acne>>>>>>>> t by wang

>>7136784
pix?

>>7136792
The fit and price of wang is pretty nice though. Even if it's made using sweatshop labor

You'll look like a fag. Not judging just saying so you're fully aware...unless you're Ryan Gossling

>>7136388
NEITHER
They're both $80. How can you justify that price for a basic black t-shirt?

Buy a 3-Pack of Fruit-of-the-Loom and stretch out the collar with your hands. You're welcome, I saved you $70 + Shipping and you got 2 extras for free.

>>7137554
Everlane is much more comfortable if you can afford ~15-20 a shirt

>>7136388
Will be kind enough to give us the source of where you are buying this?

>>7137554
fashion is important to some people

ps-there's a difference between an $80 tee and a fruit of the loom tee

I wish to sell new with tags acne limit tees from Australia
>S Navy
>XS Dark Grey

>>7137396
>unless you're Ryan Gossling
he's ugly as shit

>>7137611
plz post a picture of you

Question. How do you guys wash your tees without them stretching to the size of the moon?

>>7137595
>implying
kek

>>7137704

Those 3 Fruit of the Loom tees will last you 1 year tops. You'll have to keep buying more tees as they worn out and in the long run you'll be paying just as much.

Acne and Wang tees will last you much longer.

>>7137752
keep believing that dude

>>7137704
>implying there isn't
keep wearing your shitty tees and levis denim thinking they're as good as their expensive counterparts

>>7137752
it's not even about how long it'll last, the wang/acne tees will probably last just a bit longer than fruit of the loom or hanes

it's how nice they are, how (little) the color fades, the fabric that is used, etc etc durability isn't the only variable

>>7137752
>1 year
Bull shit. Cheap clothing does just disintegrate, idiot.

>>7137703
you could cause you can so you do

>>7137560
can anyone confirm

I want to try getting better shirts than shit like fruit of the loom or hanes

What's the price where the quality is actually a step up? Or where to buy?

>>7137752
What the fuck, I've still got my Hanes blaclk-tshirts from 6 years ago. Not even an armpit hole to speak of. Don't spread bullshit. It's not made out of wax paper or something. Also, guess what color my black t-shirt still is? Yeah, it's black.

Besides, most of the "serious" /fa/ggots buying these shirts want that "draped" look, which admittedly you can't get with the 4-pack-special at Wal-mart...but that draped look is fucking awful. Assuming you don't look like you're wrapped up in an old blanket with a fucked up collar, it makes you look depressed like not even your shirt bothers to care anymore about elasticity or form fitting it just hangs off your body.

"Wow, that's such a nice plain black, soft, big collared t-shirt, anon!"
"Thanks."
"Where'd you get it? I think I might want one!"
"I bought it for $80 + Shipping fees from a foreign place online without trying it on."
"...what the fuck anon. Never mind."

>>7137767
>as good as
"Good" is waaaaaaaaay too subjective a term, friend. I guarantee most of the those Levi's are "as good" as the more expensive ones on many different aspects. And given how much the expensive ones give such "sick fades," I'd say they're much better at color fastness.

>>7138786
>someone has a different preference than me!
>better make up some bullshit story so I dont look stupid

i bought the asos scoop necks

fit and material were pretty meh

then i got an acne limit tee

shit is on a different level, i have no problem dropping 80 bucks for another

>>7138799
It's true, I made up that encounter story of a super cool stylish /fa/ master and his unlimited sums of money with a plebeian. It's still a more likely conversation than "Oh cool! What a great idea, I'm gonna do that, too. What's the website??"

Point is, only inside your private hugbox, here, where you can all stand in a circle, put your hand on the other guy's erect dick and jerk it off for him, as another would do for you, buying extremely expensive basic-wear is seen as "really, really dumb" and drives away any quality merit someone might have had for the product and you.

>>7138854
I don't know, it's all about perspective and context.

People that pay 80 for a tee shirt already own 500+ shoes and 1000+ jackets so it doesn't seem that out of place.

Wearing a 3pack hanes tee with that stuff would just look kinda weird

/fa/ bros, I have been into this internet fashun nonsense for quite awhile, since I got started at the mynudies forums back in 2007 or 2008. I still drop a bunch of money on clothes, but I have learned that it's only worth it for items that are distinctive due to cut, quality, or details. obviously neither of these black t shirts in discussion have any interesting details. the cuts are extremely basic, but sure, there is a slightly wider neck (but wide-neck tees are offered by all sorts of cheaper brands now). and lastly, it's a cotton jersey fabric. it's probably a few bucks a yard. I could justify paying an extra 5 or 10 bucks for "nice" tee, but you're really just paying for a high markup when it comes to these. items like this are huge money makers for designers because you're essentially paying for the name.

buy something more interesting for your money, unless you're rich (then by all means, do whatever)

>>7136388
Pretty sure a black t shirt is not worth 80 fucking dollars

tfw manlet
w2c short quality black/white tees
or should I just cop ACNE/APC and get them tailored down?

>>7138907
bretty sure you're wrong cause my $80 tees are some of the best i've owned

hell i have a $300 dollar tee but that one is jil

>>7138916
dont tailor tee shirts just size accordingly

>>7138938
as I know no quality tees come in short sizes, must be tailored shorter
but dunno, maybe I'll just wear black jeans with black tee so too long shirt won't look ridiculous

>>7138892
Poor retard detected.
What should I wear? HM? LEL

can someone explain drape please?

>all these faggots saying $80 is too much for a T shirt

why are you guys even here?

>what is design
>what is construction
>what is materials
>what is source of materials
>what is labor source
>what are dyes

just leave

>>7140939

Gravity exerts a pull on fabric, so its natural weight will pull down. Drape is determined by things like weight, the nature of the knit/pattern, the yarn used, how the fabric's been treated/washed, and so on. Drape can be used to define or obscure shape. It can be be strictly worked into a garment (say a draped fabric that sweeps across a hem) or it can be a byproduct of the garment's size/shape (say a boxier cut tee that slouches and drapes down the shoulders and around the torso).

>>7140939
basically the shirt just kinda hangs off your body. its long. it looks stretched out sortof.

I looks really idgaf and comfy

>>7140961

I hope you're trolling because markup is crazy on tees.

I mean how can a company like AA sell theirs for $20 if you think about their operation? completely vertically integrated in US, probably paying their workers more than any other other factories do.

or let's look on the opposite side of the spectrum. is a prada tee $200 better than an a.wang tee? when it comes to tees, there is a wall you hit, so price is 90% based on the reputation of the designer. big money maker.

also design and construction are negligible when talking about basic tees.

Are the Acne tees see through though? I don't want a see through shirt....Also I don't want to show too much of my chest, I'm 5'11, but muscular, should I got with medium or small? Medium is normal for me

>>7141052
>I mean how can a company like AA sell theirs for $20

Low quality control, terrible fabrics.

>is a prada tee $200 better than an a.wang tee?

Kind of a false comparison given that Prada doesn't do that many "basics" while "basics" is the whole point of T by Wang.

>>7141052
american apparel sources fabric overseas.
there's quite a lot you can do with jersey from a design perspective btw. there's no "wall" that you hit when designing a tshirt, except for your own creativity, and design and construction are anything but negligible.

>>7140961

and one more thing. just pulled my grill's wang tee out and checked the tag. "fabrique au vietnam." there goes the labor part of your argument, and likely the construction too, considering wang tees are probably manufactured alongside old navy and mossimo and the like. but tee construction is simple and established so that was a dumb thing to mention on your part anyway.

>>7141075

>he posts rick

lol dude look at OP's picture and then look at yours. we aren't talking about the same thing. that's not a t shirt in your picture. this thread is about BASIC FUCKING T SHIRTS.

>>7141088

Getting a pattern just right still takes some time. The ROI after developing the pattern obviously increases given that it's a basics brand and they don't have to re-tool any patterns/grading nowadays, but if you're so adamant about there being no value, then you just value things different. Someone sees the drape, the weight, the colors, the proportions on Wang tees and like them better than other tees and buy them. If those same factors don't click for you, then it's perfectly understandable that you don't like it.

But that doesn't mean you need to convince people not to like it and nobody is trying to convince you of the opposite.

>>7141074
>terrible fabrics
fucking finally

I can't be the only one who thinks that H&M feels almost just as good, if not better to wear than AA tees.

Also COS just shits on AA

And why would anyone in their right minds think that us labor is automatically better?
Have they not seen a chinese uniqlo plant before?

AA factories are basically just big warehouses filled to the brim with minorities, I can't believe they actually advertise that stuff

>>7141100
... that's a tshirt on the right, and the other two are just single strap tank tops. just because they're designed and constructed using techniques cribbed from couture doesn't mean they stop being tshirts.

>>7141088
>considering wang tees are probably manufactured alongside [...]

this doesn't mean what you think it does.

>>7141075
where can i buy 100% made in America clothing?

>>7141105

I just want people to admit there is ridiculous markup. that's all. sure, quality and cut and materials are better, but it's still an extremely basic tee and your making wang's pockets fat as fuck. that's okay with me because he seems like a sweet guy. again, just want people to notice markup is a huge part of what you're paying for.

>>7141118
i don't know, i don't really pay attention to that sort of thing and i don't see why it's necessarily desirable considering that, aside from a handful of factories, there's nothing special about american sewing labor.

>>7141124
okay, let me rephrase that to "100% ethically made"

>>7141131
rick owens!

>>7141131
Everlane, apparently

>>7140939

>>7141136
did you see his orange hoodies? wtf

>>7141162
>see-through
why

wait...what...

their are people that don't think AA is utter garbage??????

>>7141136
>sewn in moldova

>>7141114

>this doesn't mean what you think it does.

then what's it mean hotshot? obviously each company provides a unique tech pack (maybe has different stitch length, etc), but do you think the process of constructing an awang tee varies from an old navy tee?

>front and back sergered together
>sleeves and lower hem sergered then turned/sewn ("designer" tees are usually distinguished by narrower hems, but it doesn't complicate anything)
>rib around the neck sergered/sewn
>add tags if they weren't sewn in with seams

cmon man I could understand if we are talking about other garments, but not basic t shirts man. construction is almost completely negligible.

how long do you think it takes that factory in vietnam to create an alexander wang tee? what is the cost of construction/shirt, in your estimation? does it justify the markup?

please respond because I really want my mind blown. lemme guess, you'll spout off about the fine fabrics used now.

>>7141131

probs not possible because of the lack of good quality mills in US. niggas aint even gotta tell you where they got the fabric from, so something "made in US" isnt really made in US. it was only cut and constructed there.

>>7141174
well, they think alexander wang is high fashion

so american apperal has to be like saville row to them

>>7141172

hm maybe the thickness of the fabric and how the fabric drapes are somehow related.

>>7141121
yeah we get it, numbnuts. people on /fa/ are ok with that.

>>7141131
inaisce

>>7141166
nope.

>>7141172
looks good.

>>7141177
only some of the leathers, doesn't really matter.

>>7141179
>construction is almost completely negligible.

yes, which is why it doesn't matter so long as the seamsters have basic competency. the differentiation is in the pattern making and fabric selection, which has nothing to do with the factory that is contracted to sew them.

>>7141187
its mostly the cut

>>7141179

in those steps I forgot attaching the sleeves :)

pls respond tho

>>7141174
its better than wang, at least it's made in america

>>7141196

lol not it's not mostly the cut. it's mostly the fabric. if azndudeonstreet.jpg above's shirt was made of AA jersey tee fabric, it would just look like a tube. that's why voidthebrand's tees are idiotic. they vaguely copy rick and the like's cuts, but use a fabric that's far too thick/stiff.

>>7141195

nigga all I wanted you to do is expand on pic related, and you completely dodged it and moved on to talking about fabrics, which is exactly what I said you'd do. jesus it's pointless talking to some people here. please post some more rick and talk some more generalized bs

>>7141223

WRONG PIC. RESPOND TO THIS PLZZZ

>>7141230

WHAT DOES IT MEAN THEN? WHERE DO THE INCREASES IN PRODUCTION COST COME FROM VS AN OLD NAVY TEE? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME KID WHO KNOWS NOTHING.

>>7141200
tbh if something being 'made in x' is a selling point for you then your opinion is probably not worth while.

i still think its crazy that so many inital hospitality careers in America RELY on tipping, that's how fucked the socioeconomic situation is over there.
if people who spend 12hours + on their feet caturing to the demands of customers and still don't know if they'll make enough to pay rent + eat or w/e since it's seemingly RNG af then how does this differ from slave wages?
i.e shit af factory protocol probably exists in the U.S so being made in the U.S doesn't really mean contributing to healthy consumer habbits

tbh its best just doing research on labels and seeing what aligns best w/ ur philoso. and budget V_________V

>>7141236
how is country of origin not a reasonable selling point? id rather something made in italy than in china

>>7141236

lol your idea of America is pretty funny. tips are all but guaranteed here. don't listen to those troll threads on /b/. I have not tipped a total of two times in my life. so out of the hundreds of times I've eaten out, there are those two exceptions. you don't even really think about it. I personally just add the 15% without really thinking, unless the service was really good, then I'd leave 20%. I've also never met a person IRL who didn't tip. no one would ever pride themselves on it like you see on /b/. you can bet servers are making more than the guys in the kitchen all of the time.

and if you think American factories compare to those in China or the like... i dont really feel like typing anymore, but that's really dumb.

there's a lot of drama and headlines about the US because we are the most powerful nation in the world, but we are really way better off than most first-world country. not perfect, but I don't think I would like to live anywhere else. too much opportunity here, no matter how trite that sounds.

>>7141285

it is. that was a dumb comment by him.

>>7141285

Well, let's explore a theoretical situation.

Company A makes a jacket. They have it produced in Italy.

Given changes in, say, exchange rates, commodities prices, etc. they decide to move the entire factory: every bolt of fabric, every notion, every sewing machine, every serger, etc. all to China. The jacket is made the exact same way, with the same fabric, same zippers, same pattern.

What is different about the jacket? Not much, probably. Of course, this doesn't account for things like how Italy has lost those jobs and what the working conditions for those Chinese laborers are, but if we're talking about product, we have to be realistic about what "origin" really does to the build of a garment.

>>7141236
Tips are variable, but it's not impossible to reasonably predict and budget and you're legally guaranteed at least minimum wage.

Still fucked, though. FWIW, I'm 100% for worker ownership and workplace democracy, with the chef getting creative control and maybe, possibly a little bit extra material benefit at places where there's an actual chef.

>>7141306
but how do you know if you're getting something that's the same quality seeing as how china has this stigma surrounding it already?

>>7141306
when you put it that way,yeah I wouldnt have a problem buying something "made in china" but I don't know if what you said is the case most of the time so I tend to avoid it

>>7141306

yeah I think he is talking about this from an ethical standpoint... so yeah those chinese laborers you mentioned lol

however producing close to home does provide better oversight, quality control, communication

>>7141285
why?
do you know how decadent that mind set is?
the world is becoming a smaller place every day.

>>7141288
tbh ive never been to murica but its just what ive read and heard.
china has good factories and bad factories...
like every country................

anorak could school you on this but just a quick personal anecdote. dries is a indepedent designer as far as im aware and manages to produce really high quality clothing in china, turkey, slovania, belgium etc etc.
as do many other labels and designers
there's a post by anorak detailing why china doesnt suck for producing but yuo kind of need to research
research > what your shitty personal stigma entails

yeah so...
tl;dr fuuka-->anorak + china

>>7141288
above about china, you're ignorant.
their are huge populations in america that are crazy dirt poor, this is true of most places as a sort of % thing but like...
tbh i think there is way more security in NZ if you're not privilged than in america
like...yes the small % that are well off are REALLY well off but the much greater % that aren't are literally hustling for pennies day to day

>>7141306
there's less taxation iirc in china on a lot of these services so it doesn't neccessarily mean the chinese labourers aren't getting paid a reasonable wage, there are just less middle men reaping on the profits.

>>7141317
this is called research
it goes further than looking at the tag.

>>7141332
>however producing close to home does provide better oversight, quality control, communication

And yet I think AA is a perfect example of how this isn't the case. Design and production are next door neighbors and nothing at AA stands out for its perfect execution by any measure. Is it serviceable? Of course.

>>7141317

A lot of these stigmas are purely psychological or cultural and are sometimes even the result of marketing. "Made in Japan" used to be a total non-starter because the country had no history of large-scale, consistent garment production, but if you slap that on something nowadays, everybody's going to think that it's worth its weight in gold. The real issue isn't origin. You can't fact check all that stuff, you can't talk to the workers, you can't inspect the factory.

All you've got is the product. Handle it. Try it. Wear it. Let the product speak for itself.

are there people in this thread actually suggesting that China's human rights standards are up to par with US?

>>7141386
no one is suggesting that
re-read the topic

>>7141386

I'm talking about production and textiles. I can't speak for anybody else.

>>7141395
Really loving this thread, actual discussion for once. Thanks to all the recommendations made by everyone.

XS or XXS on acne limit tshirts if I'm a 5 6 manlet?

>>7136388
As an owner of both designer t-shirts, I must say I like Acne more. But be warned, their shirts are cut to intentionally look slouchy and oversized like a lot of their other designs. It's not for everyone (including me, but fuck I like their stuff too much to NOT cop).

T by Alex is similar to Acne but the cuts and materials used aren't as interesting.

>>7141602

might wanna consider XXS

you can almost see my chest hair with XS and i'm 5'9"

>>7141602
>>7141609 here. I'm 5'7". I have to tailor all my XS Acne t-shirts.

>>7141608
Thanks m8

>>7141172
more contrast looks better

>>7141615
Too long or too wide? I'm definitely going with XXS now

>>7141656
Too long.

Some Acne/Alex tees are made of a particular fabric so they drape around the body regardless of their wide cut.

>>7141608
what if you're 5'10-11 and somewhat muscular? 185 pounds here, want a shirt that fits like these do, but unsure about getting wang or acne. I feel like acne will be better, but I don't want a super low scoop since I have some chest acne scars. How low do they go? I'm normally a medium

>>7142059

The Wang cotton tee is a slightly wider crewneck, but doesn't dip very low on the body.

>>7142059
>>7141666
>>7141609
>>7141608
how wide are the standard O cuts? LOoking for the same relaxed look with less scoop, but still a bit of scoop.

>>7136388
>loose fitting

skinnyfat detected

where to find really slouchy but form fitting tees for cheap? void thr brand?

>>7142209
size up gap best tees.
shoulders still fit me, but sleeves are long, body is billowy, and neck is wide.

>>7142215
thanks for the tip but I was looking for something a bit more drapey, maybe even asymmetrical

T by fits kind of like a tunic. The underarms are lower down and its drapey. acne will fit more like a regular shirt. I would say go with t by.

>>7141666
is this the classic tee?q

>>7142563
No, looks like the slub tee

>>7137610

I emailed you awhile ago, still waiting on a reply

>>7142623
what's the difference between that and the classic?

>>7142788
It's a looser fit and is a blend of cotton and rayon

>>7142824
is it see-through? It says see-through on the website...

>>7142855
A bit? It's not completely see through but he fabric is pretty thin

>>7142824
Alot of the time, I see luxury branded t-shirts stating 100% cotton and I always wanted to know whether they process the cotton material in a different way? or is the material exactly the same as something that is 100% cotton from uniqlo?

>>7142915

some jerseys are made very differently

i have some acne tees that are "ultra-fine jersey" and they feel like polyester, it's weird

The Acne one has a lower neckline definitely. I have a white wang t-shirt of the same style and black/grey versions of the Acne and honestly it's just a day to day difference.

>>7142915
There can be a lot of difference in how the fabric is manufactured, cut, construction, etc.

>>7142915
you also have to remember cotton sourced from different places has longer/short/thicker fibers

>>7143063
Well... I wasn't really referring to the cut or construction.. I was just generally more interested in the cotton material itself.
Cause when it says 100% cotton I just automatically assume its like any other cotton fabric. Unless there is a special grading system?

Otherwise wouldn't it be better to get something that is a silk blend???

>>7143105
As I said, the fabric manufacturing process or the quality of cotton they get is vastly different.