/fa/ - Fashion

>>7095114
Rick Owens forever

diffusion of the term "artisanal" to the point of meaninglessness

The whole slim straight cuffed raw denim and button shirt and boots thing
Workwear is coming back hard

>>7095119
Wtf is going on in that pic

>>7095126
MFA much?

>>7095137
Not at all

>>7095126
>Next big thing
>Next
Not the current big thing you fucking dork

>>7095114
cock bracelets

work wear

lad ninja

>>7095119
So what?
The clientele for high fashion, and thus artisanal fashion, are all about the luxury.
So it's like saying, "all these qualities are meaningless. They do not mean a work is artistically potent."

Unless there is something I am not getting.
Bear with me I am incredibly high.

>>7095119
Or do you mean the extended misusage of the term until it has reached a different meaning.
Like the word "aesthetic"

>>7095119
*this post brought to you by third-generation artisanal imageboard shitposters*

>>7095168
It's funny because now I can't read your posts without that kid with glasses popping into my head.

Chastity device themed jewelry.

>>7095161
expect to see artisanal on campaigns for h&m etc
pretty sure all saints has utilized the terminology, and maybe levis

>>7095177
Ahh I see. That makes sense.

It is sad to see that many people will fail to see the misconnect between "artisanal" and "made in china"

>>7095190
luxury labels have been bullshitting with it for years

>>7095161
high-end fashion doesn't demand an artisanal approach; artisanal craftmanship doesn't guarantee artistic potency.

>>7095197
mhm not feelin the fit

>>7095197
>artistic potency

>>7095197
Well of course, each designer cannot be compared.
But to me there will always be the search of luxury from craftsmanship. And that is probably where the high rollers flock.

>>7095197
Also I have a question: what would be an approach to clothing that is not necessarily artisanal? Are we talking conceptual work?

>>7095114
it's a combination of woodsy and newtech.

lots of layers in silhouettes that reminisce about skinny people in the old country, but in neutral colors ranging from ivory/beige to browns and greys and blacks, with splashes of well-placed rich jewel tones. florals will probably stay, same with stripes.

mark my words.

>>7095262
Isn't that basically Mori?

>>7095202
srry h/o

>>7095219
that was natalie's choice of term -- no endorsement

>>7095220
>>7095224
who said anything about comparing designers? you're the one making broad statements about "high fashion" (quotes for turny.)

really, i think you'll find that the largest portions of luxury consumers (namely, wealthy east asians) are much more interested in non-artisanal or marginally artisanal brands like givenchy and rick than they are in, u know, ria dunn.

the term "artisanal" describes a very specific type of craftmanship. it doesn't necessitate any level of [your nebulous definition of] luxury, or any minimum price point.

>>7095288
>u will neva hang out w/ the mothness irl

>>7095288
I see what you are saying. Where did you get this market information? It is very interesting.

And what I meant about the comparing designers bit I just meant that each designer will be judged on their work and their work alone, so of course there will be various way in which they shine.

>>7095262

cgl has been ahead of you for at least two years now

>>7095317
> I just meant that each designer will be judged on their work and their work alone, so of course there will be various way in which they shine.
do you get a kick out of saying the most obvious statements implicit in any discussion of fashion?
i don't get why you said shit like this otherwise

>>7095288
why is ria dunn more artisinal than rick owens or givenchy?
Regardless, there are talented craftsmen behind all these labels.

Artisinal can be used (and is used) to accommodate any level of product at any price point, it is does specifically cater to anyones specific value of 'craft' or 'quality'.
effectively 'object has been produced through whatever means' = artisinal.
>just because a machine might be used doesn't make it non-artisinal (lasercutthankubasedsruli)

bomber jackets

>>7095358
wow bruh where are you getting this savvy insider information from?

>>7095358
er'one already on bombers, homey

>>7095351
Jesus shut the fuck up I swear I hate people like you

You are just trying to start shit

God, seriously

>>7095374
the stuff you say doesn't really contribute to discussion
that's all i'm pointing out
it's like throwing in "well, it's all subjective..." in any conversation about art or fashion
just don't post inane bullshit, mmkay?

>>7095386
and how is you bitching and whining contributing to the discussion you little piece of shit?

>>7095386
What fucking discussion shithead.
I'm talking to timber, he knows a lot so he's sharing with me. I'm the one asking questions, it's pretty obvious it's a one way thing going on.

You're the one that comes in spreading some little girl bullshit like that just to start shit.

Look at yourself!

>>7095397
when you do it's bitching and whining
when i do it's constructive criticism

>>7095403
See now you've got me in a bad mood.
I am sorry but it gets me upset when people behave like that.

>>7095403

>>7095429
It's funny how you have no smart ass comment this time.

You know exactly what I'm talking about.
That's bitch shit. I expect it from a fashion board, especially an anonymous one, but since I can point you out I'm going to call you out on it.

>>7095310
read s/t every once and a while. it'd really benefit you to just go to the library or read some old tfs or sz threads or smth. idc

>>7095303
>u will never sip on locally-sourced grenache blanc while wearing vintage y's in ur beautiful cottage in the south of france

>>7095353
artisanal craftmanship in its most traditional definition describes a production process entirely dependent on the personal skill of a single artisan and, also, absent of the involvement of any machines; obviously that's something impossible in the contemporary manufacturing of clothes. but there's a sliding scale here. luca laurini uses machines to weave his knits, but he (and his skill as an artisan) are personally involved in the assembly of luc sweaters or w/e. rick and tisci and elbaz are not down at olmar + mirta or wherever sewing poplin, and givenchy's t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc. are actually cut and assembled en masse by machine if i'm recalling correctly.

i understand your point, and i understand that weird & relatively recent abstraction of the term, but there is still a very real definition of "artisan production" here by which it's possible to organize designers.

>>7095403
i really don't know that much, and what i do know is knowledge that is also readily available to you at the price of a minimum investment of effort.

>>7095435
this is an imageboard
i can post an image

>>7095438
I can't continue this conversation as I normally would any more, I'm not in the mood for it. I appreciate your posts though thanks

>>7095148
I think dork is the best diss

>>7095450
It saddens me that you have so much pride that you cannot admit or even at least justify what you are doing.

>>7095281
yes
>>7095318
i've been there for at least two years. only just about now is lolita being reconstructed for mainstream fashion in f21 and h&m, so this progression makes sense if the textile industry doesn't go bankrupt.

Biocore.

I have about a hundred images on the theme. I'll start a thread soon.

>>7095438
>most traditional definition
[citation needed]

there is skill in using machines
that's all wrong...
what the fuck
going by what you've said you can't apply artistinal craft to anything yet you then claim there are exceptions for certain craftsman because you recognise them
you are not an authority for 'artisinal value' or anything close to that.
also the definition for artistinal=/= machine is ridiculous
machine --> automated tool --> tool on different energy source --> tool by independent energy --> hands --> artisinal.
you're also trying to discriminate between skill as a craftsman and skill as an artisian which just wow.
umm
when you said rick owens and givenchy i assumed you meant the labels not the people (givenchy isnt a person) - for all intents and purposes my point stands and talented craftsmen ('artisians' if you will) exist quite extensively throughout their teams. Would you argue that cdg does not incorporate at artisinal quality because they produce a lot of product using machines?
please argue that cdg pattern makers do not incorporate an artistinal quality.

>by which it's possible to organize designers
i honestly don't think a lot of reputable designers subscribe themselves to the world (same goes for avant garde) rather those that want to associate them those to said designers will use to word as a means of association.

>>7095486
*you can use machines skillfully --> skilled involved.
also i'll go further to say the use of artistinal is not exclusive to commercial production, perhaps liken more to genius in which rick and tisci don't need to sit in a sweaty factory to apply a artistinal factor to their work through other means (thinking up meaningful designs, concepts, whatever).

One uses the word “avant-garde” too easily. “Avant-garde” is advanced and individual thinking. The exact translation from french means “before the crowd or the mass”, therefore it can never be trendy nor fashionable.” Carol Christian Poell

>>7095486
ALSO the indian guy that does ricks shoes now(???) (vash something I THINK) use to do his shit w/ pauly and spent like 15years meditating in indian or s/t before coming out w/ whack shoe design.
something something rick owens is artisinal even by your standards something something

4chan : Argue to the point of semantics

>>7095486
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artisan

prior to the industrial revolution -- the rise of manufacturing by machine -- the production of goods, including clothes, was undertaken by guilds of skilled manual workers called artisans. obviously, there is skill involved in working machines BUT -- the term "artisan" describes manual skill. a violin maker, for example, is an artisan by its historical, traditional definition: he is trained, specifically, in making violins; he planes and carves all the wood completely by hand. whether or not you think that definition is "ridiculous" is completely irrelevant, because that's the definition of artisan.

i did mean the labels -- not the people, and i'm not sure where you got the idea that i meant the people. you've also invented some distinction between craftsman and artisan which is completely absent in my post. all that to say, i think you've missed entirely what was my most central point, which was that this really is NOT a black and white thing and labels like rick and cdg certainly still maintain a level of artisanal craftmanship in their production and employ a lot of individuals who could be defined as artisans.

BUT -- and this is the big but -- there's obviously a distinction between the manufacturing process behind a rottweiler tee and a c.diem leather shirt. all the c.diem designers are also involved, personally, in the production of each piece of clothing from beginning to end; amadei, for example, is actually treating his leather, and he's also actually cutting patterns, and he's also actually sewing shirts. (or was ... ) by contrast, the group of (relatively) unskilled employees running the givenchy dye-sublimation printers is very separate from the group of employees cutting unremarkable block patterns is very separate from the group of employees running industrial sewing machines. that's a large-scale mass production process.

i honestly can't parse the rest of your post, so no comment on that.

>>7095606
timber how did u even find 4chan

>>7095630
ccp summoning ritual backfired, cast into exile on a lower plane of existence

>>7095643
im always fucking confused r u the guy in the pics u posted in this thread cuz u always post females for waywt pls dont respond as joke im srs im actually so curious its driving me insane who r u pls respond

>>7095606
>1. a person skilled in an applied art; a craftsperson.

>prior to the industrial revolution
nifty, but that ended awhile ago...
i mean, we can argue that definition and how a word varies over time but the contemporary should be the only one concerned...
lol

w2c hands that carve wood?
you mean a chisel tools etc etc?
yeah, sweet - ref. to impromptu flow diagram
you didn't refute any of points, simply ignored them and continued pushing your own.
you're also misquoting me? Sick
i never said that a violin maker and the craft involved in making a violin is not artisinal...
the means by which you personally attribute 'artisinal' is a bit sketch but i mean...maybe you really like the 18th cent. english but uhhh...yeah cool.

because you went on to talk about the people (assuming I had) when i clearly referenced the labels (in accordance with what you said).
excuse me?
my whole agruement is that the use of artisn in regards to craft is completely arbitrary...i don't think i've contradicted that.
lol...you went to say rick and givenchy perhaps did not employ 'artisinal' concepts to their work (or did to a lesser degree) compared to ria dunn or s/t. you make it a black and white scenario and did yourself better with comparing it to practices in LUC

>uch more interested in non-artisanal or marginally artisanal brands like givenchy and rick than they are in, u know, ria dunn.
> luca laurini uses machines to weave his knits, but he (and his skill as an artisan) are personally involved in the assembly of luc sweaters or w/e
> rick and tisci and elbaz are not down at olmar + mirta or wherever sewing poplin, and givenchy's t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc. are actually cut and assembled en masse by machine if i'm recalling correctly.
>not artisinal procedure.

here's your black and white.
>very real definition of "artisan production" here by which it's possible to organize designers.
there are heaps of little gems throughout the text.

1/2

>>7095643
>cast into exile in a lower plane of existence
Hahaha Neezus Christ you are really funny I love your sense of humor. I like you a lot pls post more :)

>>7095662
wtf i thought u and timber and twerk were like best friends whats with the roid rage m8

>>7095666
hes left them

hes with teddy now ;)

>>7095646
that's his girlfriend he just pretends to be a girl because he thinks it's hilarious high tier so edgy humor
poet made a post a while ago about meeting him in NYC and said he was a french guy

>>7095159
this

Lunacore.

I've seen plenty of faggots on the street actually wearing it. It's just a matter of time for it to become big.

>>7095679
>I've seen plenty of faggots on the street actually wearing it.

hahahahaha what

>>7095662
2/2
oh, so despite using machines and mass producing they do employ artisinal concepts or w/e?

your last point is just mindless dribble trying to discriminate despite acknowledging that it doesn't mean anything in light of artisinal process.
>>7095643
YOU ARE THE LOWEST PLANE OF EXISTANCE MOTHER FUCKER

ONLY 30MINS LEFT UNTIL I ARTISINALLY GET DRUNK WITH MY ARTISINA FRENS IN A ARTISINAL PUB IN SOME ARTISINAL CITY FOLLOWED BY ARTISINAL GAMES OF POOL!

>>7095666
the road to enlightenment is a lonely one
tbh i just fucking hate imaging the scenario where some clueless fuck walks into anywhere and asks 'WHERES ALL THE AVANT GARDE SHIT MADE BY ARTISINAL DESIGNERS, THATS THE SHIT I WANT'
the sa's face contorts into a grimace and points to a rack of bbs as he holds his back to the consumer
i think this is a reality though
V_____________________________________________________________________________________________________V

>>7095711
http://fuuka.warosu.org/fa/thread/S6577012#p6577145
>hardly artisanal
>hardly
>artisanal
lol not even your messiah agrees with you loooooool

>>7095724
>mesiah

>>7095711
(.......)
i don't know, man. i really don't know. i'll leave u be, b/c i have nothing to else to say.

Shoe socks. Socks that you wear over your shoes to keep them from getting dirty.

Synthetics, more futuristic pieces. Nike frees/flyknit/roshes are just paving the way. More and more people seem to be ditching canvas converses and vans. Especially with the rise of yoga pants, I think we'll expect more synthetic blends in comfy stuff e.g sweatpants, hoodies etc?

>>7095119
he looks like he has tiny hands

>>7095711
>tbh i just fucking hate imaging something that would never happen

onesies

what was the last big thing?

>>7095675
what the fuck

>>7095555
and it's bad to argue over semantics why?

>>7097196
it happens a lot lol